UK & Ireland mooted to host Lions tour
05/01/2021 | sport | rugbyunion | 738
The British and Irish Lions series with South Africa could be held in the UK and Ireland if Covid-19 prevents fans from travelling.
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05/01/2021 12:12:06 3 14
bbc
fantastic option
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05/01/2021 12:12:32 15 3
bbc
FAB! If we can't go to SA let them come here. You never know we may even win a home tour.

Seriously though it all depends on whether the SA Covid strain is defeated by the vaccine. If not then cancel.
375
05/01/2021 16:23:24 1 1
bbc
Vaccine roll out not likely for 6 months in SA is what I’ve heard.
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05/01/2021 12:12:45 99 9
bbc
Rugby going the same way as football. It's all about the money!
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05/01/2021 12:19:12 63 5
bbc
Going? Went a long time ago.
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05/01/2021 12:21:22 11 1
bbc
The uncomfortable truth is there is no rugby without money.
28
05/01/2021 12:26:34 7 1
bbc
Rugby without money is called the Greene King IPA Championship.
29
05/01/2021 12:26:35 11 4
bbc
Absolutely!
Why can't elite athletes be content with four beer tokens and a plate of pie and chips after the game....!
How is life in 1896?
30
05/01/2021 12:27:26 3 6
bbc
And how do you propose that Rugby would survive without money?

Look at how much money is in Football. Also look at its popularity.

Rugby Union could certainly learn a thing or two from Football. It is miles ahead.
149
05/01/2021 13:23:36 1 5
bbc
But without the skill
184
05/01/2021 13:42:33 2 1
bbc
Welcome to professional sport. All pro sports are about money now.
333
05/01/2021 15:43:04 5 1
bbc
IN the current circumstances, it's not about greed, its about survival.
502
05/01/2021 19:39:47 1 1
bbc
Professional sport in maximising income shock!
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05/01/2021 12:13:45 153 11
bbc
Move it to 2025. A home tour defeats the very ethos of the Lions, i.e. a touring team with 30,000 fans.
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05/01/2021 13:22:44 57 4
bbc
Agreed. And what of the SA fans? It would be very harsh on them as they may not / should not travel.
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05/01/2021 13:37:05 2 3
bbc
There is already a Tour organised for 2025. Should Australia suffer instead?
216
05/01/2021 13:55:58 1 3
bbc
And what of the players who will not get the chance to be a Lion, because you've pushed the tour back 4 years?
231
05/01/2021 14:05:25 4 3
bbc
Why not postpone to Autumn 2021and the matches could then be played by ‘Development’ XVs and get USA, Georgia, Tonga, Fiji etc. involved?
Sorry, my fault.
Not enough money and might ‘grow the game’.
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:21:43 6 3
bbc
Are u actually serious? .... maybe none in London then and one In the north just for you ... just a thought but since it’s the British & Irish lions we could also have one in Ireland or Scotland instead of two in England? .... what a shame in the north !!!
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05/01/2021 12:23:43 0 1
bbc
Exactly, but if the Japan test is earmarked for Murrayfield then 3 SA tests should be in England, Wales and Ireland, with the rest of the games around the nations at other regional grounds. RFU will always play a test at Twickenham.
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05/01/2021 12:24:05 3 1
bbc
I think it is more to do with playing in each of the capitals from the make up of Lions players...
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05/01/2021 12:24:50 2 1
bbc
No you can't go 'trekking to the south' unless the lockdown rules change. There doesn't seem to be much point in making plans for an unknown situation.
The Board has already admitted that it doesn't know what's going to happen, but rather stupidly announces what may, or may not happen.
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05/01/2021 12:27:28 4 1
bbc
Even though I am Welsh, I totally agree. On a parallel, always thought that rather than spending the billions on a new Wembley that the England football team could rotate around some of the big stadiums elsewhere in the country. They do that in Germany. Gives fans from all over the country an opportunity to see the national team. Rugby in England could do the same. Not a problem in Wales.
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05/01/2021 12:32:30 1 1
bbc
If you're in the north of England, then you are pretty much bang in the middle of Britain and Ireland so should be roughly equidistant to all possible locations for these Lions (not England) games. Perfect.
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05/01/2021 12:34:00 2 2
bbc
Embarrassing comment. You do realise that the north of England is a tiny part of the UK and Ireland overall?
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PJL
05/01/2021 12:16:39 2 1
bbc
In the past year I've been excited by one off tournaments and competition formats (Autumn Nations Cup, NBA, Champions League), but I have to say this is probably the exception.

Unless the grounds are miraculously full, and I get tickets of course...
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05/01/2021 12:16:43 4 7
bbc
Good idea, since Boris has ensured we're all Covid free
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05/01/2021 12:17:49 13 4
bbc
Not a Lions Tour
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05/01/2021 12:18:36 15 3
bbc
Why not wait another year?
I understand not going to SA if the fans aren’t allowed to travel but moving it to GB won’t be the same.
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05/01/2021 12:25:52 4 2
bbc
The year before a world cup? Think the home nations would rather stick with their own squads in preparation
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05/01/2021 12:18:40 1 4
bbc
That would be an amazing event if it was necessary. In a perfect world you would then do a tour to SA the following year?
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05/01/2021 12:12:45 99 9
bbc
Rugby going the same way as football. It's all about the money!
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05/01/2021 12:19:12 63 5
bbc
Going? Went a long time ago.
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05/01/2021 20:09:06 3 1
bbc
It may all be about money, but without money the whole thing would collapse and people lose jobs, its not just about high earners, there are also midlevel and lower level jobs on the lines and that means putting food on the table and paying bills, its symptomatic of the times we live in in sport, the show must go on
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05/01/2021 12:12:45 99 9
bbc
Rugby going the same way as football. It's all about the money!
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05/01/2021 12:21:22 11 1
bbc
The uncomfortable truth is there is no rugby without money.
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:21:43 6 3
bbc
Are u actually serious? .... maybe none in London then and one In the north just for you ... just a thought but since it’s the British & Irish lions we could also have one in Ireland or Scotland instead of two in England? .... what a shame in the north !!!
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05/01/2021 12:27:32 3 1
bbc
In all fairness, it would make sense for them to put a game in the North of England if they add another friendly in. Usually the lions play a few warm up games and given England's relative population size and geographical breadth, a second game in England would make some sense. You are, however, right that as it stands it makes sense to have one game in each.

Yours sincerely, an Irish fan.
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05/01/2021 12:22:45 20 3
bbc
It is then not a Lions Tour. Delay it a year and stop thinking about cash. There is no guarantee Boris and Co will have us ready for stadiums in the summer anyway.
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05/01/2021 15:21:29 1 11
bbc
Murrayfield will be ready by the summer, but probably not Twickers or Wembly
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dan
05/01/2021 15:22:42 2 4
bbc
The sport is already dying financially, they have no choice but to think about the money
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05/01/2021 12:22:47 9 9
bbc
Seriously? Just cancel it! It's not important.
Regular league fixtures are getting cancelled every week.
Will the RFU accept that they are not 'above' Covid?
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05/01/2021 12:27:57 11 2
bbc
It's nothing to do with the RFU. This is the Lions, not England.
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TV
05/01/2021 12:30:11 4 1
bbc
Lions Rugby isn't run by the RFU. The best option for fans would be to move the tour to 2022, but I feel the national unions will put their foot down and now allow it as they have their own tours planned in 2022.
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05/01/2021 12:52:54 1 1
bbc
It's not an RFU issue; they're just one member of the organising body.
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LJ
05/01/2021 12:23:05 2 4
bbc
For the many of us could not afford to attend a Lions tour in the past, this is brilliant news!

I appreciate that it's not quite "the same" for you Lions tour veterans, but provides a great opportunity for those who can't shell out £10k+ and take multiple weeks off work.
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05/01/2021 12:23:13 32 4
bbc
It would be like going on holiday in a tent in your own garden.
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05/01/2021 20:09:50 3 1
bbc
I believe that's most folks plan for summer 2021 anyway!!
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:23:43 0 1
bbc
Exactly, but if the Japan test is earmarked for Murrayfield then 3 SA tests should be in England, Wales and Ireland, with the rest of the games around the nations at other regional grounds. RFU will always play a test at Twickenham.
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05/01/2021 12:24:02 15 2
bbc
Just postpone it. Not worth the risk and uncertainty.
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:24:05 3 1
bbc
I think it is more to do with playing in each of the capitals from the make up of Lions players...
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05/01/2021 12:24:09 78 7
bbc
Crap option - absolutely not a lions tour - would rather it was cancelled
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05/01/2021 12:36:01 12 57
bbc
So it's not about the Rugby. Is it just about going overseas and getting hammered with your mates? If it is, I'm sure the players who are proud to wear the shirt will be pleased about that.
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05/01/2021 12:24:49 2 8
bbc
Unfortunately it feels like the only option. SA are unlikely to be able to safely fill stadiums even before 30,000 travelling fans travel to the country.
Lions playing in Britain and Ireland is better than in SA with no fans.
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:24:50 2 1
bbc
No you can't go 'trekking to the south' unless the lockdown rules change. There doesn't seem to be much point in making plans for an unknown situation.
The Board has already admitted that it doesn't know what's going to happen, but rather stupidly announces what may, or may not happen.
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05/01/2021 12:25:10 5 14
bbc
Rugby fans: Complain that Rugby is in a dire situation financially.

Also Rugby fans: Complain when a contingency plan is put in place which would help ease the dire financial situation.

Professional Sport is a business, not a charity. Give your heads a wobble and say hello to the 21st century.
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05/01/2021 12:30:37 1 2
bbc
I suppose this sums up the way things are going, everything has to be a business now so a small number can make money out of it.

Hence the pressure on BBC, NHS, the Arts, Sport and so on

But how can anyone consider themselves rich if all they have is money?
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05/01/2021 12:25:22 6 1
bbc
Surely the answer is to move the six nations to the summer so fans can actually go to the games and move the lions tour to 2022
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05/01/2021 12:25:26 205 14
bbc
I suspect there's a real danger that if the Lions lose their "slot" they may never regain it due to pressure from World Rugby and the Unions.

That said this concept doesn't excite me. The tour is more than "tests", provincial matches are where we see form. Partnerships are built and friendships made.

Fans are part of the Lions too.

I applaud the effort, but for me this isn't the answer.
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05/01/2021 13:24:46 87 15
bbc
Fully agree on all counts. a Home tour is a pointless none starter.
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05/01/2021 13:55:11 10 15
bbc
Then what is your solution? Cancel the tour? Take the players to South Africa, where at best you'll have no fans anyway?

At least a home tour will see the games played, give the players who deserve the honour of being named a lion their place, and have a chance of having some fans watching the games.
272
05/01/2021 14:44:01 6 2
bbc
Agree, but a home 'tour' is better than no tour. Can't see it going ahead with more than a few fans if played here anyway.
371
05/01/2021 16:18:00 3 2
bbc
The decision will be made by TV Executives at the end of the day. Fans are of little importance when big bucks are involved.
486
05/01/2021 19:02:58 5 1
bbc
The virus won't be under control by June. In what world are the Lions living? Thousands of people descending on the venues (the middle of the city in Cardiff). Stay at home, stay safe, save lives.
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05/01/2021 19:22:04 4 1
bbc
Lions trip already planned. Schedule in place and really want to go. However, given the scenario I think cancel. Lions playing a test series at home is contrary to what the Lions tour is. Lives more important than sport.
526
05/01/2021 20:23:34 0 1
bbc
Agreed
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05/01/2021 21:33:42 1 1
bbc
As a 'one-off' and not to knock other schedules out, if it can be organised, with fans, I think it would be great for rugby. Some players might have been 'nailed on' for selection this year. Injury or whatever could prevent that. If 2024, Lions selection might simply pass some players by. Many rugby fans will never ever be able to go on a Lions Tour, assuming fans allowed, this would be great.
613
06/01/2021 09:51:09 0 0
bbc
Cancel the tour give the players a much deserved break and for the fans to come back.
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06/01/2021 10:39:06 0 0
bbc
As someone who was in SA in 2009 with a friend, and has paid my deposit to go with my wife in 2021, I can understand if it is necessary to not tour this year due to Covid19. A visit to UK by SA would NOT be a B+I Lions tour, as the tour is about more than the test matches, it is about the provincial games, and the time taken to bind the players from 4 nations into one team. It's not just money!
692
06/01/2021 14:56:14 0 0
bbc
I disagree...
Don't forget the Lions are a subsidiary of the four home nations and the majority of revenue from a Lions tour then gets distributed back between the unions and sent down to grass roots. The unions also get a "fee" for their international players to go on tour.
Believe me, the unions will WANT the lions to go ahead in the best and most financially beneficial way possible.
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05/01/2021 12:18:36 15 3
bbc
Why not wait another year?
I understand not going to SA if the fans aren’t allowed to travel but moving it to GB won’t be the same.
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05/01/2021 12:25:52 4 2
bbc
The year before a world cup? Think the home nations would rather stick with their own squads in preparation
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05/01/2021 12:43:25 0 1
bbc
Indeed.
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05/01/2021 18:58:23 2 2
bbc
If it was a choice between a home lions tour and no tour I’d choose no tour all day long. If world rugby didn’t want to defer the WC for a year then wait until travel was ok never mind how long it would take.
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05/01/2021 12:12:45 99 9
bbc
Rugby going the same way as football. It's all about the money!
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05/01/2021 12:26:34 7 1
bbc
Rugby without money is called the Greene King IPA Championship.
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05/01/2021 12:47:26 2 2
bbc
Exactly the games that rugby fans should be going to if their local teams aren't in the Premiership. Rugby won't be a real success until Championship teams start getting a decent crowd.
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05/01/2021 14:00:54 3 1
bbc
Hmmm.....
Saracens, Ealing Trailfinders etc.???
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05/01/2021 12:12:45 99 9
bbc
Rugby going the same way as football. It's all about the money!
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05/01/2021 12:26:35 11 4
bbc
Absolutely!
Why can't elite athletes be content with four beer tokens and a plate of pie and chips after the game....!
How is life in 1896?
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05/01/2021 12:12:45 99 9
bbc
Rugby going the same way as football. It's all about the money!
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05/01/2021 12:27:26 3 6
bbc
And how do you propose that Rugby would survive without money?

Look at how much money is in Football. Also look at its popularity.

Rugby Union could certainly learn a thing or two from Football. It is miles ahead.
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:27:28 4 1
bbc
Even though I am Welsh, I totally agree. On a parallel, always thought that rather than spending the billions on a new Wembley that the England football team could rotate around some of the big stadiums elsewhere in the country. They do that in Germany. Gives fans from all over the country an opportunity to see the national team. Rugby in England could do the same. Not a problem in Wales.
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05/01/2021 13:35:58 0 2
bbc
Not a problem in Wales? Have you tried getting to Cardiff from North Wales? At least we used to get the A games at the Racecourse ground
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05/01/2021 12:21:43 6 3
bbc
Are u actually serious? .... maybe none in London then and one In the north just for you ... just a thought but since it’s the British & Irish lions we could also have one in Ireland or Scotland instead of two in England? .... what a shame in the north !!!
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05/01/2021 12:27:32 3 1
bbc
In all fairness, it would make sense for them to put a game in the North of England if they add another friendly in. Usually the lions play a few warm up games and given England's relative population size and geographical breadth, a second game in England would make some sense. You are, however, right that as it stands it makes sense to have one game in each.

Yours sincerely, an Irish fan.
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05/01/2021 12:27:38 140 13
bbc
Just cancel it. Ripping the guts out its very identity and having it at home would be awful.
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05/01/2021 13:38:44 11 88
bbc
Just cancel it? Ridiculous comment - World Rugby miss our on 7 weeks of Matches and revenue which is sorely required. Supporters get to watch some fascinating, unique matches that haven't been seen before on these shores.
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05/01/2021 13:42:51 4 21
bbc
Or just cancel it because it’s rubbish.
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05/01/2021 12:22:47 9 9
bbc
Seriously? Just cancel it! It's not important.
Regular league fixtures are getting cancelled every week.
Will the RFU accept that they are not 'above' Covid?
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05/01/2021 12:27:57 11 2
bbc
It's nothing to do with the RFU. This is the Lions, not England.
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05/01/2021 12:28:04 78 6
bbc
Why can’t they simply wait until the pandemic is over .
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05/01/2021 13:48:04 38 6
bbc
Who do you think you are, coming on here with a sensible suggestion?

You can leave!!!
449
05/01/2021 18:06:02 2 2
bbc
Probably need to wait until 2025.
2022 summer internationals are already booked. 2023 World Cup.
2024—makes no sense to have two-in-a-row.
So cancel this one, push entire Lions schedules out 4 years.
590
06/01/2021 07:31:51 1 0
bbc
They're in denial...just like Japan with the Olympics last year. It can't happen in a pandemic.
It's a shame Covid hasn't killed off this joke of a 'sport'. Removed
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05/01/2021 12:35:02 3 1
bbc
What was the point of that comment, is your life that empty
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05/01/2021 12:28:16 25 2
bbc
Massive rugby fan here, but there is a pandemic, lives are at risk. Saying there will not be a tour without fans, means there's no tour.
I would put up with a tour with no fans and in these times put up with watching on tv.
719
06/01/2021 18:15:22 0 0
bbc
Well said.
Football are playing matches with no fans - so why not Lions matches without fans.
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05/01/2021 12:28:52 47 6
bbc
Much better idea, lets get plane loads of players, coaches, physios coming from SA to here - where, by the way, they have a strain even worse than our new covid variant. Brilliant.
448
05/01/2021 18:04:55 3 8
bbc
I am all rugby'd out after this past autumn and winter fixture congestion.
I could use a decent break from rugby for a while, as I am sure, so could the players.
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05/01/2021 12:29:00 7 2
bbc
Greed seems to be the motive here,, focus should be on player and spectator safety,, all international sports should be cancelled until safety from COVID is assured
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jay
05/01/2021 15:39:07 1 2
bbc
By then all people in the UK will have been vaccinated is that safe enough?
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05/01/2021 12:29:24 3 8
bbc
As long as Farrell doesnt play i dont care where they play.read a comment re various pundits choices complaining about leaving englands flair players out.still laughing.
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05/01/2021 12:31:11 7 5
bbc
You mean the 6 nations and rugby nations cup winning captain? Think he should be leading the lions with that CV
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05/01/2021 12:29:34 55 7
bbc
What about the South African fans who want to see their team?
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05/01/2021 12:33:20 10 32
bbc
stay in SA and watch it on Supersports cahnnel
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05/01/2021 12:35:28 0 3
bbc
TV !
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05/01/2021 12:39:59 0 6
bbc
All 346 of them.
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05/01/2021 12:49:07 3 6
bbc
SA fans don't go to games anyway , they cant fill a stadium for any sport
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jay
05/01/2021 15:33:53 1 1
bbc
You every been to little South Africa in SW London?
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05/01/2021 12:22:47 9 9
bbc
Seriously? Just cancel it! It's not important.
Regular league fixtures are getting cancelled every week.
Will the RFU accept that they are not 'above' Covid?
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TV
05/01/2021 12:30:11 4 1
bbc
Lions Rugby isn't run by the RFU. The best option for fans would be to move the tour to 2022, but I feel the national unions will put their foot down and now allow it as they have their own tours planned in 2022.
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05/01/2021 12:30:22 1 4
bbc
Seems a sensible contingency plan .. with a game at each national stadium, and a couple of decent warm up games for both teams around the nations .. Travelling to SA does not seem a viable option at the moment, and people, businesses, hotels and airlines need to make plans .. A real shame because I was looking forward to going.
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05/01/2021 12:25:10 5 14
bbc
Rugby fans: Complain that Rugby is in a dire situation financially.

Also Rugby fans: Complain when a contingency plan is put in place which would help ease the dire financial situation.

Professional Sport is a business, not a charity. Give your heads a wobble and say hello to the 21st century.
44
05/01/2021 12:30:37 1 2
bbc
I suppose this sums up the way things are going, everything has to be a business now so a small number can make money out of it.

Hence the pressure on BBC, NHS, the Arts, Sport and so on

But how can anyone consider themselves rich if all they have is money?
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05/01/2021 12:34:28 2 3
bbc
So you would rather no money in Rugby, and the Sport goes into complete turmoil?
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05/01/2021 12:29:24 3 8
bbc
As long as Farrell doesnt play i dont care where they play.read a comment re various pundits choices complaining about leaving englands flair players out.still laughing.
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05/01/2021 12:31:11 7 5
bbc
You mean the 6 nations and rugby nations cup winning captain? Think he should be leading the lions with that CV
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05/01/2021 12:31:29 42 5
bbc
Like drinking non alcoholic beer.

There are bigger 'things' at play in the world (as much as a Lions and rugby fan as I am) than rugby.

I'd rather delay it a year and then be able to watch it down the pub with other Lions fans.
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05/01/2021 12:39:29 16 105
bbc
A rare species is a Lions fan. Dire sporting event with no relevance.
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05/01/2021 12:31:42 27 6
bbc
These games should be cancelled. It simply doesn't matter enough to be played at the moment.
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05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
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05/01/2021 12:32:30 1 1
bbc
If you're in the north of England, then you are pretty much bang in the middle of Britain and Ireland so should be roughly equidistant to all possible locations for these Lions (not England) games. Perfect.
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05/01/2021 12:32:33 15 5
bbc
Any cross border sport should be banned until this has all gone. SA players could just be importing it all over again
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05/01/2021 12:32:55 9 4
bbc
Absolutely NOT a good idea!! The identity will be lost and for what? Just to ensure the tests take place? Are the B&I Lions that desperate to play against the reigning RWC champs? What will it prove if they win? What will it prove if they lose? Nothing at all!!
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05/01/2021 12:38:29 5 15
bbc
It never proves anything - one of the most pointless events on the sporting calendar. Always has been a non- event.

Used to be amateurish rubbish, now its a blatant money grab to prop up a sport that makes no money most of the time.
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05/01/2021 12:29:34 55 7
bbc
What about the South African fans who want to see their team?
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05/01/2021 12:33:20 10 32
bbc
stay in SA and watch it on Supersports cahnnel
5
05/01/2021 12:14:25 10 10
bbc
Are their no rugby fans in the Midlands and North? As an England fan from the North, we have have to trek all the way to south London. Why can't we have a game at Old Trafford for example?
52
05/01/2021 12:34:00 2 2
bbc
Embarrassing comment. You do realise that the north of England is a tiny part of the UK and Ireland overall?
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05/01/2021 12:30:37 1 2
bbc
I suppose this sums up the way things are going, everything has to be a business now so a small number can make money out of it.

Hence the pressure on BBC, NHS, the Arts, Sport and so on

But how can anyone consider themselves rich if all they have is money?
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05/01/2021 12:34:28 2 3
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So you would rather no money in Rugby, and the Sport goes into complete turmoil?
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05/01/2021 12:41:30 3 1
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I'd rather see grass roots & club rugby promoted. You can't build a major sport purely by supporting the national team. Unless we get full stadiums week in week out rugby is never going to be in the position it should
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05/01/2021 12:34:45 8 5
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Cancel it.....NOW.....
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05/01/2021 12:34:53 4 4
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Just play it in South Africa.

Make it a proper Lions adventure.
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05/01/2021 13:15:34 0 1
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Is it a competition to make stupid comments, if so you're definitely in contention fan award.
It's a shame Covid hasn't killed off this joke of a 'sport'. Removed
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05/01/2021 12:35:02 3 1
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What was the point of that comment, is your life that empty
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05/01/2021 12:35:08 68 7
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No. The whole concept of Lions is that the select band of UK and Ireland players come together to tour the southern hemisphere. Playing a home series is NOT a Lions tour and it should not happen. If it risks the Lions slot, then so be it. At least it will force the Unions to decide whether a Lions tour is a thing to be treasured or not.
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05/01/2021 14:47:25 15 2
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Spot on
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05/01/2021 17:32:32 0 2
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British and Irish Lions - NEVER UK and Irish Lions.
Leave the cheap politics out of it.
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06/01/2021 11:00:48 0 0
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Agree.
Postpone to 2022. If players are injured or need a rest - give them one, and it opens up opportunities for other players. If players do not want to take a risk before a world cup year they don't have to tour - they do have a choice.
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05/01/2021 12:29:34 55 7
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What about the South African fans who want to see their team?
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05/01/2021 12:35:28 0 3
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TV !
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05/01/2021 12:40:29 5 2
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Why don’t the lions fans just watch it on TV?
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05/01/2021 12:24:09 78 7
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Crap option - absolutely not a lions tour - would rather it was cancelled
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05/01/2021 12:36:01 12 57
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So it's not about the Rugby. Is it just about going overseas and getting hammered with your mates? If it is, I'm sure the players who are proud to wear the shirt will be pleased about that.
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05/01/2021 13:14:45 1 9
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Why so many down votes? Having some kind of event - allbeit not a tour - would be a positive step? So many other considerations for postponing and fitting it in, all of those flawed in one way or another. We will be 12 months into this pandemic shortly - having any kind of normal this year is a big ask!!
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05/01/2021 16:11:35 7 2
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I'm not sure how you get from 'not a Lions tour' to being just about 'getting hammered with your mates'? Maybe that's what happens on football tours (never been on one, so wouldn't know) but for many rugby fans, a Lions tour is an opportunity to watch first class rugby in a different environment and spend some time discovering the culture of the place you're touring.
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05/01/2021 20:34:44 0 1
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so what if it is Eddie ? stop crying
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06/01/2021 09:18:12 2 0
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Shirt? Obviously not a rugby supporter. Jersey!
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05/01/2021 12:36:27 2 8
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Anachronistic rubbish.
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05/01/2021 12:47:24 4 2
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No one is forcing you to watch it or read articles about it.
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05/01/2021 12:36:39 130 8
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With the South Africa Variant and the UK Variant it seems an unnecessary cross border coming together. Put greed to side and plan again further down the road when fans can enjoy the series properly. Full stadiums, beer flowing, and a proper celebration of rugby.
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05/01/2021 12:44:31 13 13
bbc
...and the next available slot is?
2022 - international summer tours preparing for RWC
2023 - RWC
2024 - 1 year before 2025, there is no way the clubs and the unions will give up two years of revenue in a row post-pandemic
2025 - next Lions tour
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05/01/2021 12:32:55 9 4
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Absolutely NOT a good idea!! The identity will be lost and for what? Just to ensure the tests take place? Are the B&I Lions that desperate to play against the reigning RWC champs? What will it prove if they win? What will it prove if they lose? Nothing at all!!
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05/01/2021 12:38:29 5 15
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It never proves anything - one of the most pointless events on the sporting calendar. Always has been a non- event.

Used to be amateurish rubbish, now its a blatant money grab to prop up a sport that makes no money most of the time.
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05/01/2021 12:48:34 4 3
bbc
you just get your Downtown abbey box set in place for summer then.
Its one of the best rugby events in the world. Ridiculous comment if you are a rugby fan.
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05/01/2021 13:29:35 1 1
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So what's the problem? Sport is a business, and businesses need to make money, and it's a hugely popular event. You can choose to go to the matches/tour, watch on TV, or not. Or you can just choose to irritate & whine on public forums. The world is full of choices. One just has to try & make the correct ones.
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05/01/2021 12:39:07 1 5
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So the RFU don't want the matches to be played without fans being there ... so what happens if the matches are rearranged to be played over here and our current restrictions are still in place so as not to allow spectators at games ?

The spectator issue is just an excuse in my opinion. The RFU are just already preparing an excuse for if they lose the series.
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05/01/2021 12:31:29 42 5
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Like drinking non alcoholic beer.

There are bigger 'things' at play in the world (as much as a Lions and rugby fan as I am) than rugby.

I'd rather delay it a year and then be able to watch it down the pub with other Lions fans.
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05/01/2021 12:39:29 16 105
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A rare species is a Lions fan. Dire sporting event with no relevance.
Like your comments. Does your carer know you are on the internet? Removed
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05/01/2021 15:44:23 4 2
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That's why 50,000 travelling supporters go half way around the world is it? You need to seek medical help for your mental health problems.
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06/01/2021 07:36:55 0 0
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It's certainly not an event for chippy little nationalists. On the other hand, if you have English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh mates/colleagues it's great!
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06/01/2021 12:31:53 0 0
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never been to a lions game have you
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05/01/2021 12:29:34 55 7
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What about the South African fans who want to see their team?
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05/01/2021 12:39:59 0 6
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All 346 of them.
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05/01/2021 13:10:46 0 4
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That's double most region attendence in wales...
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05/01/2021 17:21:40 3 1
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The last time I watched SA v England at Twickenham we probably had about 30% of the crowd - lots of Saffas in UK. 346 must be the reference to the amount of professional SA rugby players in the UK?
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05/01/2021 12:40:08 37 5
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Postpone , it’s not a lions tour If the games are played at home, what’s the rush ..... purely financial , money should not be a consideration at this time .
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05/01/2021 12:49:33 11 5
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The problem is, the rugby authorities have lost so much money due to covid that for them it is a consideration.
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05/01/2021 12:40:22 6 2
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If all travelling fans have had a vaccine and can prove this, why would they not be ok to travel?

Switching to the UK just doesn’t feel right, other than from a money making perspective...
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sam
05/01/2021 12:45:43 2 5
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According to the news the South African Variant is vaccine resistant
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05/01/2021 13:22:55 3 3
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They cant travel because even though they might be immune THEY CAN STILL SPREAAAD IIIITT! JEEZ how many more times does it need to be said.....no wonder we arent getting anywhere!
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05/01/2021 14:07:01 1 2
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Me and a mate both in our 50s are booked on the tour. He will get vaccinated soon (health) and I probably won’t get mine in time for the tour. So this is unworkable. We cannot have a society in which those vaccinated have civil Liberty restored and are able to holiday etc - and everyone else is just left to lockdown and wait.
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05/01/2021 12:35:28 0 3
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TV !
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05/01/2021 12:40:29 5 2
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Why don’t the lions fans just watch it on TV?
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05/01/2021 12:42:38 0 1
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Assume it's the UK / Irish travelling fans that make it viable.
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05/01/2021 12:34:28 2 3
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So you would rather no money in Rugby, and the Sport goes into complete turmoil?
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05/01/2021 12:41:30 3 1
bbc
I'd rather see grass roots & club rugby promoted. You can't build a major sport purely by supporting the national team. Unless we get full stadiums week in week out rugby is never going to be in the position it should
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05/01/2021 12:51:12 2 2
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That has absolutely nothing to do with this. This is about the Lions, and currently it is the biggest opporunity for much needed revenue. Grass roots will come back whether there is any sort of Lions tour or not this year.
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05/01/2021 12:42:25 0 4
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The only way they will get 30,000 fans to those games in the UK is if they empty out the care homes, and send them to the games. I filled in one of those online vaccine queue calculators yesterday, I am estimated to receive my second jab in July 2022.
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05/01/2021 12:54:04 1 2
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Danny, sadly you are a victim of a prank or an error. Try again
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05/01/2021 12:40:29 5 2
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Why don’t the lions fans just watch it on TV?
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05/01/2021 12:42:38 0 1
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Assume it's the UK / Irish travelling fans that make it viable.
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05/01/2021 12:44:32 0 1
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Not a solid assumption..
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05/01/2021 12:42:55 4 6
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Given that most of the Irish team are from the southern hemisphere, it is still classed as a "Tour" for them.
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05/01/2021 12:48:23 8 5
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Nonsense, Ireland have fewer overseas-born players than England. Get your facts right.
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05/01/2021 12:43:09 11 3
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Just forget unnecessary international events this year and this one certainly should not happen before the end of Summer.
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05/01/2021 12:25:52 4 2
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The year before a world cup? Think the home nations would rather stick with their own squads in preparation
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05/01/2021 12:43:25 0 1
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Indeed.
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sam
05/01/2021 12:44:04 3 4
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Aye being the South Africans over who apparently have a vaccine resistant strain of the virus? Where's the sense
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05/01/2021 13:05:53 3 2
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Sorry, where has it been said the strain is vaccine resistant? No main stream media news outlet has said anything of the sort. It says it spreads more rapidly but scientists believe that the vaccine will still work, some think with slightly reduced effectiveness until changes can be made to the vaccine.
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05/01/2021 12:36:39 130 8
bbc
With the South Africa Variant and the UK Variant it seems an unnecessary cross border coming together. Put greed to side and plan again further down the road when fans can enjoy the series properly. Full stadiums, beer flowing, and a proper celebration of rugby.
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05/01/2021 12:44:31 13 13
bbc
...and the next available slot is?
2022 - international summer tours preparing for RWC
2023 - RWC
2024 - 1 year before 2025, there is no way the clubs and the unions will give up two years of revenue in a row post-pandemic
2025 - next Lions tour
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05/01/2021 13:30:32 11 3
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You just wrote it down: 2025 - next Lions tour.

No-brainer.
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05/01/2021 13:38:32 3 3
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Just cancel it, there are far more important things happening in the world.

or

Slide all of the events you have mentioned and any other events by 12 months. It isn't rocket science.
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05/01/2021 14:41:43 1 2
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Oliver thanks for pointing out 2024 is a year before 2025.
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05/01/2021 15:15:13 1 2
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Shift everything by one year and have the Lions tour in 22 and the RWC in 24 then Lions can go again in 25 - seems only sensible, the players won't miss out on the much sort after Lions tour and the fans will see rugby, but the money men won't like it.
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05/01/2021 15:43:28 0 2
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If so, then so be it. Or is your alternative to make absolutely certain that the SA virus gets here?
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05/01/2021 12:42:38 0 1
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Assume it's the UK / Irish travelling fans that make it viable.
77
05/01/2021 12:44:32 0 1
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Not a solid assumption..
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05/01/2021 12:40:22 6 2
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If all travelling fans have had a vaccine and can prove this, why would they not be ok to travel?

Switching to the UK just doesn’t feel right, other than from a money making perspective...
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sam
05/01/2021 12:45:43 2 5
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According to the news the South African Variant is vaccine resistant
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05/01/2021 12:52:06 0 4
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Lol so the vaccine has failed before it began
60
05/01/2021 12:36:27 2 8
bbc
Anachronistic rubbish.
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05/01/2021 12:47:24 4 2
bbc
No one is forcing you to watch it or read articles about it.
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05/01/2021 12:26:34 7 1
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Rugby without money is called the Greene King IPA Championship.
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05/01/2021 12:47:26 2 2
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Exactly the games that rugby fans should be going to if their local teams aren't in the Premiership. Rugby won't be a real success until Championship teams start getting a decent crowd.
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05/01/2021 12:42:55 4 6
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Given that most of the Irish team are from the southern hemisphere, it is still classed as a "Tour" for them.
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05/01/2021 12:48:23 8 5
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Nonsense, Ireland have fewer overseas-born players than England. Get your facts right.
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05/01/2021 13:56:41 1 1
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I love when people say "get your facts right" with no facts.
Here are some facts - last game both nations played with people born outside the nations

Eng v Fra: 1
Vunipola (Born Brisbane. Moved to the UK as a small child)

Ire v Wales: 5
Gibson-Park (NZ)
Roux (SA)
Stander (SA)
Herring (SA, Irish grandfather descent)
Aki (NZ)

They had never seen Ireland until they were paid for come over!
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05/01/2021 14:24:46 1 2
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I understand that Ireland are not British. So maybe it should just be Lions.
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05/01/2021 12:38:29 5 15
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It never proves anything - one of the most pointless events on the sporting calendar. Always has been a non- event.

Used to be amateurish rubbish, now its a blatant money grab to prop up a sport that makes no money most of the time.
82
05/01/2021 12:48:34 4 3
bbc
you just get your Downtown abbey box set in place for summer then.
Its one of the best rugby events in the world. Ridiculous comment if you are a rugby fan.
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05/01/2021 13:12:25 6 2
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Clearly they are not a rugby fan or at the very least a watching "internationals" only... the lions is part of rugby...I don't know any real rugby fans that don't love the lions tours.
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05/01/2021 13:50:10 0 3
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It's dreary. And I know many rugby fans who think it's a waste of time.
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05/01/2021 12:39:29 16 105
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A rare species is a Lions fan. Dire sporting event with no relevance.
Like your comments. Does your carer know you are on the internet? Removed
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05/01/2021 13:47:02 6 9
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twinprime has a point. A friend of mine went on the 2013 Oz tour and said he heard plenty of fans complaining about why X had been selected (usually an England player) over a player from their team.

Doesn’t sound like what the Lions should be about. It’s meant to be the best the HN have to offer, regardless of which team they play for. It hasn’t been that for a long time.
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05/01/2021 12:48:45 3 3
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There are probably enough South Africans playing in the British Isles at the mo to form a side so need for any overseas travel - job done?
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05/01/2021 12:29:34 55 7
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What about the South African fans who want to see their team?
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05/01/2021 12:49:07 3 6
bbc
SA fans don't go to games anyway , they cant fill a stadium for any sport
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05/01/2021 12:50:25 1 2
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Doesn’t mean they should be punished... the lions tour is lucrative for the fact tickets are bought and beer is drunk by fans in the hosting country.
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05/01/2021 12:40:08 37 5
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Postpone , it’s not a lions tour If the games are played at home, what’s the rush ..... purely financial , money should not be a consideration at this time .
86
05/01/2021 12:49:33 11 5
bbc
The problem is, the rugby authorities have lost so much money due to covid that for them it is a consideration.
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06/01/2021 10:55:07 0 0
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Money that won't be recovered whatever decision is made now. SA coming here won't help either as tours cost a lot of money these days and no owner of any suitable stadium, amongst other assets needed, is going to let the Lions play SA there for free. There is also the issue that a Lions tour is estimated to be worth £100m+ to the wider economy of the country visited.
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05/01/2021 12:49:07 3 6
bbc
SA fans don't go to games anyway , they cant fill a stadium for any sport
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05/01/2021 12:50:25 1 2
bbc
Doesn’t mean they should be punished... the lions tour is lucrative for the fact tickets are bought and beer is drunk by fans in the hosting country.
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05/01/2021 12:41:30 3 1
bbc
I'd rather see grass roots & club rugby promoted. You can't build a major sport purely by supporting the national team. Unless we get full stadiums week in week out rugby is never going to be in the position it should
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05/01/2021 12:51:12 2 2
bbc
That has absolutely nothing to do with this. This is about the Lions, and currently it is the biggest opporunity for much needed revenue. Grass roots will come back whether there is any sort of Lions tour or not this year.
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05/01/2021 12:51:32 6 1
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As much as I want to see the Lions, I fully expect that Covid will put an end to this tour (either in UK or SA). As sad and frustrating as that would be, the timings of vaccine roll out and assessment of whether it is having the expected impact on the population transmission of Covid will be too late to make this year a safe and viable option...and health must come first...make a decision early...
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sam
05/01/2021 12:45:43 2 5
bbc
According to the news the South African Variant is vaccine resistant
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05/01/2021 12:52:06 0 4
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Lol so the vaccine has failed before it began
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05/01/2021 13:09:56 2 1
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No, the vaccine created for the UK Variants have not been fully tested on the variant in SA but it is currently being tested.
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05/01/2021 12:52:09 0 2
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Dumb Dumb Dumb...I can't see the stands packed due the Pandemic ..Haven't you heard ?
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05/01/2021 12:58:00 1 1
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The tournament is still 6 months away, the vaccine should have allowed some normality to return by then.
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05/01/2021 12:52:33 3 15
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Just scrap it. The Lions is over-hyped anyway
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05/01/2021 12:52:52 1 1
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Given the strength of the strain in South Africa is stronger than that which started in Kent this is not an option. In any case why are Scotland ignored again. Cancel the tour altogether, delay until Autumn or into 2022 are only options.
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05/01/2021 12:22:47 9 9
bbc
Seriously? Just cancel it! It's not important.
Regular league fixtures are getting cancelled every week.
Will the RFU accept that they are not 'above' Covid?
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05/01/2021 12:52:54 1 1
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It's not an RFU issue; they're just one member of the organising body.
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05/01/2021 14:14:08 0 3
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But they like to dictate
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05/01/2021 12:53:12 0 1
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I suppose the South African players will all be over here in the new league anyway.Prefer to postpone but maybe this is what they are thinking rather than nothing for next 4 years.
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05/01/2021 12:42:25 0 4
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The only way they will get 30,000 fans to those games in the UK is if they empty out the care homes, and send them to the games. I filled in one of those online vaccine queue calculators yesterday, I am estimated to receive my second jab in July 2022.
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05/01/2021 12:54:04 1 2
bbc
Danny, sadly you are a victim of a prank or an error. Try again
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05/01/2021 12:56:55 5 2
bbc
Just postpone it..have 4 years to play with....simple...
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05/01/2021 12:52:09 0 2
bbc
Dumb Dumb Dumb...I can't see the stands packed due the Pandemic ..Haven't you heard ?
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05/01/2021 12:58:00 1 1
bbc
The tournament is still 6 months away, the vaccine should have allowed some normality to return by then.
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05/01/2021 12:58:20 2 1
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South Africa will want this to be played there, there's nothing in it for them to have the games in the UK and Ireland. It's the Tour element that makes this special,
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05/01/2021 12:58:51 2 1
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Yeah why not encourage more people to mix and mingle here after all we don’t have the restrictions other places have put in place