Medics appeal for more to get higher level PPE
05/01/2021 | news | health | 277
The group want staff to be given the type of high-quality masks usually only worn in intensive care.
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05/01/2021 12:16:24 25 4
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Can patients entering hospital be given these too? Otherwise it kind of defeats the object.
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05/01/2021 12:19:08 21 2
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Hospitals must be made safer for staff and patients According to PHE figures published yesterday 8% of people catch Covid-19 in hospitals compared to 5% in pubs
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05/01/2021 12:54:43 4 0
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Staff are mask fit tested for FFP3 masks to ensure a seal around the face. It would be almost impossible to mask fit every patient and you would have to rely on patients to put them on, remove them and wear them correctly after testing, not to touch them, pull them down to drink/eat etc presuming they passed the test. Otherwise they are useless. You can't have facial hair either or you get no seal
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05/01/2021 12:19:07 4 8
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When this is over the low grade undocumented PPE will be the next PPI compensation issue
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05/01/2021 12:16:24 25 4
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Can patients entering hospital be given these too? Otherwise it kind of defeats the object.
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05/01/2021 12:19:08 21 2
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Hospitals must be made safer for staff and patients According to PHE figures published yesterday 8% of people catch Covid-19 in hospitals compared to 5% in pubs
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05/01/2021 12:29:28 4 0
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Are pubs still open? we ,ve not had one open for I dont know how long.
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05/01/2021 12:29:55 4 3
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Considering most pubs have been shut for months and all hospitals open, I'd say your safer in a hospital than a pub (not that you've got a choice anymore)
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05/01/2021 14:14:13 1 0
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That may be so, but you go to hospital because you have to - you don't have to go to the pub!
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05/01/2021 19:51:01 1 0
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That is actually pretty good - considering that hospitals are now full of people with Covid....
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05/01/2021 12:20:56 12 4
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This should be a given
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05/01/2021 12:20:56 36 17
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It is terrifying just how poorly the government has prepared for this second wave.

Lockdown was understandable in March 2020, when the entire world was taken by surprise, and we had no real idea what we were facing.

But now the precedent has been set that the government can just lock us down instead of funding and resourcing our health services properly.
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05/01/2021 12:27:56 24 5
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We did have an insight back in March, we all saw what was happening in other countries yet our government CHOSE to do nothing until too late. At least they have consistency of being late throughout this virus. The fact that we are here where we are today clearly shows they have failed, certainly it is not a success.
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Kev
05/01/2021 12:30:35 10 0
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I agree, although I think it is equally fair to say that they should have been much better prepared to handle the pandemic, given the recommendations of the review carried out in 2016, to which Matt Hancock was party...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Significant shortfalls were found at the time and not acted on (presumably because they cost money and didn't fit with austerity!)
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05/01/2021 12:44:06 1 2
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The new mutation is the major problem here, without it we would be in a far better situation.
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06/01/2021 09:06:14 0 0
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By the time the gov locked down in March 2020 they were already behind the curve. We had seen the virus rampaging through Italy and into Spain, & even in the UK people were unilaterally locking themselves down ahead of the government.
My local councillor asked the question of our MP at the start of March as why we had not already given the order to bring mothballed wards and beds back into use...
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05/01/2021 12:24:17 26 3
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Ask "we were well prepared" Hancock.
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06/01/2021 09:01:04 1 0
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When in power Labour did a pandemic preparedness exercise, they implemented the recommendations and created a strategic PPE store as part of that.
In 2010 the Tories came to power, laughed at the idea of needing a strategic PPE supply and started running it down.
They did another pandemic prep exercise in 2016, but sat on the results, ignored it and did the opposite of many of the recommendations.
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05/01/2021 12:20:56 36 17
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It is terrifying just how poorly the government has prepared for this second wave.

Lockdown was understandable in March 2020, when the entire world was taken by surprise, and we had no real idea what we were facing.

But now the precedent has been set that the government can just lock us down instead of funding and resourcing our health services properly.
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05/01/2021 12:27:56 24 5
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We did have an insight back in March, we all saw what was happening in other countries yet our government CHOSE to do nothing until too late. At least they have consistency of being late throughout this virus. The fact that we are here where we are today clearly shows they have failed, certainly it is not a success.
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05/01/2021 12:53:04 4 2
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Whilst the government’s response is often woeful, it would help if individuals took responsibility for their own actions; rather than blaming others. We all continue to see large numbers of people flouting guidance. They ignore mask wearing, social distancing, not visiting people outside their bubble, etc. More severe sanctions are required for the rule breakers, e.g. no access to NHS?
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05/01/2021 12:56:01 2 0
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Ireland, Italy, Germany, Austria, Greece, Holland.. I could find other nearby countries in lockdown but I stopped looking, felt I had plenty already. They've made the same mistakes too, clearly.
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05/01/2021 13:01:32 5 1
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So people have absolutely no responsibility to protect themselves? It isn't the government failing to social distance, it isn't the government failing to sanitise and wash hands, it isn't the government failing to wear masks properly - if at all, it isn't the government failing to stick to the rules (OK- i know there are exceptions). "You can take a horse to water" - people can be their own enemy!
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05/01/2021 12:19:08 21 2
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Hospitals must be made safer for staff and patients According to PHE figures published yesterday 8% of people catch Covid-19 in hospitals compared to 5% in pubs
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05/01/2021 12:29:28 4 0
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Are pubs still open? we ,ve not had one open for I dont know how long.
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05/01/2021 12:44:02 0 0
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Pubs open until last wee where I live
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05/01/2021 12:19:08 21 2
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Hospitals must be made safer for staff and patients According to PHE figures published yesterday 8% of people catch Covid-19 in hospitals compared to 5% in pubs
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05/01/2021 12:29:55 4 3
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Considering most pubs have been shut for months and all hospitals open, I'd say your safer in a hospital than a pub (not that you've got a choice anymore)
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05/01/2021 12:30:09 12 2
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There is a lot we don't understand. My son caught the virus, he lives in supported living with three others and their carers. He caught it we think at college. He infected nobody as far as we can tell. Not me, not my wife, non of the carers, non of the other service users. Everyone has been tested, nothing.
This is a very odd behaving virus that thrives on certain conditions.
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:30:17 34 12
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Actually, the scientific evidence is beginning to point the other way: that the virus is not carried long in the air, falling out quickly onto surfaces and spread by touch. And that asymptomatic carriers are far worse spreaders than the ill.

But I still wouldn't grudge the NHS workers the improved PPE. They work all day among the virus, so a even remote chance of infection is hugely amplified.
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05/01/2021 12:42:09 21 3
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"beginning to point the other way"

No-one is suggesting that the virus is not spread by non airborne contact but the science definately suggests that it can be spread by airborne contact and so masks are still important.

Higher levels of asymptomatic spread are due to ill people being more likely to reduce contact with others.

You seem to be twisting facts to support not wearing a mask.
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05/01/2021 12:42:36 4 0
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for larger particles yes but aerosol particles stay suspended in the air for far longer.
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05/01/2021 13:20:52 6 0
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"Actually, the scientific evidence is beginning to point the other way: "

Please back this up with evidence, hopefully not from Mike on Facebook.
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05/01/2021 14:12:21 0 0
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What academic paper was that published in and has it been peer reviewed?
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05/01/2021 16:45:18 2 0
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So the nature paper you quote is from 2019 and therefore not current!

The evidence is clear, the new strain infects faster, and is more transmissible. SARS was not airboune.

If you truely believe what your typing why not come with me for a tour of the Churchill covid ward Oxford. No need for a mask for yourself, we can go stand by the bedsides and have a chat with the covid patients
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05/01/2021 16:45:45 1 0
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As its not a airbourne threat you should be absolutely fine!
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05/01/2021 12:20:56 36 17
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It is terrifying just how poorly the government has prepared for this second wave.

Lockdown was understandable in March 2020, when the entire world was taken by surprise, and we had no real idea what we were facing.

But now the precedent has been set that the government can just lock us down instead of funding and resourcing our health services properly.
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Kev
05/01/2021 12:30:35 10 0
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I agree, although I think it is equally fair to say that they should have been much better prepared to handle the pandemic, given the recommendations of the review carried out in 2016, to which Matt Hancock was party...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Significant shortfalls were found at the time and not acted on (presumably because they cost money and didn't fit with austerity!)
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05/01/2021 12:33:43 66 11
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As a recently retired GP I have kept in touch with friends and colleagues who are struggling both inside and outside the hospital I am amazed at the Covid deniers and people who do not follow simple instructions to keep us all safe.It’s NOT a joke nor is it just the elderly it’s people between 20 to 50 now dying of Covid.Please following the rules genuinely SAVES LIVES .
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05/01/2021 13:09:19 17 14
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I’ve really believe we should make “Covid denial” a crime? Not the belief, if that’s what you want to believe, but the active promotion of the views in public or on social media.

These people are basically trolls who are fuelling an increase in death from the virus.

Perhaps one for an online petition.
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05/01/2021 12:58:33 6 12
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Nobody's denying the existence of Covid.
Generally people are following the rules. But the rules are a joke, so why don't your mates just get on with their jobs and stop whingeing. There's a lot more than them who now have no livelihoods or future prospect of work. May as well be dead.
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05/01/2021 13:23:31 11 7
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Sadly personal responsibility is not something your average brit does well nowadays.
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05/01/2021 13:51:58 4 1
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When looking at the HYS comments ask yourself which of these do you think are posted by real people and which by sock puppets operated by Army psyop teams reinforcing govt. propaganda? Do you actually know anyone who is rabidly eulogising about Johnson and Hancock but claiming they need to go further?

Look at the ludicrous hysterical replies on here; end free speech, criminalise Covid denial etc.
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05/01/2021 17:20:07 1 2
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Covid deniers are not always in full control of there faculties, don't judge them too harshly...

"1 in 4 people will experience a mental health problem of some kind each year in England [1]. 1 in 6 people report experiencing a common mental health problem (like anxiety and depression) in any given week in England"
https://www.mind.org.uk/
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05/01/2021 12:34:07 5 5
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GPs in Scotland have got the right idea, they are all locked away in their surgeries, seeing no one
Makes you wonder if we really need them as one retired GP recently wrote in the spectator magazine
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05/01/2021 12:46:08 1 0
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Same in England, and your lucky if you get a phone call from a Nurse Practitioner to review long term illness too.
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05/01/2021 12:52:52 1 0
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In my local GP surgery in Warrington the back room staff have refused to give Doctor appointments and the only way to get anything is to submit an "econsult" form and then you may get a reply from a doctor - the surgery eventually said Doctors weren't seeing any patients so I had to go to A and E. How much are these Doctors paid?
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05/01/2021 12:34:48 9 1
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Let's hope these vaccines are a way out....although i have this nasty gut feeling that we are in for more horrible twists!
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05/01/2021 12:39:20 10 3
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Why are we talking about a second wave when this is clearly the THIRD - we just about delayed second wave getting out of control but here we are some two months later at the edge of being overwhelmed. NHS staff need to be vaccinated as a priority - SIMPLES no / reduced NHS staff therefore no people to care for the sick then we are doomed. Sort it out HM Govt.
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05/01/2021 13:36:22 2 2
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Why is this tghe third wave? The graphs clearly show zero to peakand down to near-zero in the spring. Summer low, then rising from Sep to now.
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05/01/2021 12:39:41 34 11
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Since 3 March, the day that SAGE recommended social distancing and Boris "shook hands with everybody" in a hospital, the government's response has been too little too late. People were still travelling to Italian Ski resorts in March, long after the Pandemic had taken hold there. The unnecessary delay in imposing lockdown, the farcical Test and Trace launch, and Barnard Castlegate. Totally inept!
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05/01/2021 12:57:32 17 13
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Nothing to do with PPE but moan away it’s hilarious
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06/01/2021 08:52:10 0 0
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Boris has been utterly clueless throughout this, and with the Tory parties lurch to the far right to placate it's far right Brextremist wing the party has been entirely devoid of capable and competent leadership at the ministerial level below Boris.
It has been a series of bad calls, followed by late U turns, and interspersed with some very dubious awarding of contracts to friends and cronies.
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05/01/2021 12:41:09 2 0
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Surely the patients should have hem as ell. I personally know of four that have caught covid in hospital.
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05/01/2021 12:49:43 5 1
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Not really feasible to fit-test patients unfortunately.
Wearing a standard surgical mask also doesn't lower your O2 saturdation, whereas the FFP3s do when worn for prolonged periods so aren't necessarily suitable for people who are already in hospital ill with other things. Staff being made to work on confirmed covid-positive wards with only surgical mark and aprons is a bloody disgrace though.
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05/01/2021 12:54:23 0 0
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You know four patients who got Covid in hospital?
You might be right about protecting the patients, but cut the crap or the good stuff will be dismissed too.
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05/01/2021 13:01:48 1 0
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FFP3 masks are unpleasant to wear.
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:30:17 34 12
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Actually, the scientific evidence is beginning to point the other way: that the virus is not carried long in the air, falling out quickly onto surfaces and spread by touch. And that asymptomatic carriers are far worse spreaders than the ill.

But I still wouldn't grudge the NHS workers the improved PPE. They work all day among the virus, so a even remote chance of infection is hugely amplified.
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05/01/2021 12:42:09 21 3
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"beginning to point the other way"

No-one is suggesting that the virus is not spread by non airborne contact but the science definately suggests that it can be spread by airborne contact and so masks are still important.

Higher levels of asymptomatic spread are due to ill people being more likely to reduce contact with others.

You seem to be twisting facts to support not wearing a mask.
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xlr
05/01/2021 13:21:44 4 2
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Not what I'm saying at all. A mask means that most (90-99%) of the particles never make it more than 1cm from your face. And those that do aren't propelled as far by speaking, breathing or coughing.

A mask is of great help.
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05/01/2021 14:21:01 0 1
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Trouble with mask wearers, they don't Socially Distance. And that is the one thing that the experts seem to agree on Social Distancing works...........?
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05/01/2021 12:42:28 18 4
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And why not. If we're being asked to wear 2 layer masks it seems unreasonable to ask them to risk their lives every day with less than 100% equipment.
"Risk their lives?" - utter over dramatic nonsense. Removed
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:30:17 34 12
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Actually, the scientific evidence is beginning to point the other way: that the virus is not carried long in the air, falling out quickly onto surfaces and spread by touch. And that asymptomatic carriers are far worse spreaders than the ill.

But I still wouldn't grudge the NHS workers the improved PPE. They work all day among the virus, so a even remote chance of infection is hugely amplified.
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05/01/2021 12:42:36 4 0
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for larger particles yes but aerosol particles stay suspended in the air for far longer.
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05/01/2021 12:29:28 4 0
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Are pubs still open? we ,ve not had one open for I dont know how long.
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05/01/2021 12:44:02 0 0
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Pubs open until last wee where I live
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05/01/2021 12:45:02 5 0
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When was your last wee?
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05/01/2021 13:30:16 1 0
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So open in low tiers where there is not much virus.
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05/01/2021 12:20:56 36 17
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It is terrifying just how poorly the government has prepared for this second wave.

Lockdown was understandable in March 2020, when the entire world was taken by surprise, and we had no real idea what we were facing.

But now the precedent has been set that the government can just lock us down instead of funding and resourcing our health services properly.
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05/01/2021 12:44:06 1 2
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The new mutation is the major problem here, without it we would be in a far better situation.
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06/01/2021 09:09:38 0 0
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Nah that's just another flimsy excuse being thrown out by Tory apologists.
We knew about the 'new' mutation in September, you know back when both SAGE and Starmer were calling for an immediate second lockdown as a 'circuit breaker', had the gov acted then, then yes we would have been in a far better situation.
But the gov dithered and delayed, and it cost thousands of lives and £B's, again.
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05/01/2021 12:44:22 9 8
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I’m amazed this was allowed to be published. The government are threatening nhs staff with sackings not to reveal the shambles. They are being silenced from speaking out about the conditions, shortages and shoddy equipment bought through Tory donors. All the while Covidiots are staging photo shoots to undermine their efforts.
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05/01/2021 12:56:48 2 0
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Prove it
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05/01/2021 13:10:51 0 0
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lol. Still publishing garbage are we?
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05/01/2021 13:41:35 0 0
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Jude, I dislike the Tories, but you cannot make that accusatin without evidence.
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05/01/2021 12:44:02 0 0
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Pubs open until last wee where I live
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05/01/2021 12:45:02 5 0
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When was your last wee?
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05/01/2021 13:05:35 0 0
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Last week!
Also less than 1,300 hospitals compared to over 47,000 pubs in the UK
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05/01/2021 12:34:07 5 5
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GPs in Scotland have got the right idea, they are all locked away in their surgeries, seeing no one
Makes you wonder if we really need them as one retired GP recently wrote in the spectator magazine
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05/01/2021 12:46:08 1 0
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Same in England, and your lucky if you get a phone call from a Nurse Practitioner to review long term illness too.
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05/01/2021 12:48:41 8 8
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No doubt bojo will order world beating PPE
But it will never be delivered
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05/01/2021 12:56:29 4 1
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Grow up
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05/01/2021 13:20:46 1 1
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He will bang his fists on the table emphatically and assure the nation that he has no doubt that by August it will be summer (and a world beating one)
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05/01/2021 12:41:09 2 0
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Surely the patients should have hem as ell. I personally know of four that have caught covid in hospital.
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05/01/2021 12:49:43 5 1
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Not really feasible to fit-test patients unfortunately.
Wearing a standard surgical mask also doesn't lower your O2 saturdation, whereas the FFP3s do when worn for prolonged periods so aren't necessarily suitable for people who are already in hospital ill with other things. Staff being made to work on confirmed covid-positive wards with only surgical mark and aprons is a bloody disgrace though.
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05/01/2021 13:00:39 0 0
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I would go with universal eye protection before FFP3 masks for all.
Evidence supports that better and does not require the fit testing.
I'm seeing more use of wrap-around glasses in hospitals.
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Id just like to personally thank the Chinese for this Pandemic, and may we all do our utmost to continue to by crap from them for the foreseeable. Or at least till we all become communists. Removed
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05/01/2021 12:52:42 5 1
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Is that you Donald ?
It's a bit early to call Idiot Of the Month, but... Removed
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05/01/2021 12:54:45 1 0
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Donald Trump is on BBC HYS!
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05/01/2021 12:33:13 0 0
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We already have a great british mask in the works from @Pharm2Farm_org in nottingham - Nanotech with copper 5ply masks - estimated 100pence /mask i think and lasts 7 hours - youtube link to BBC Site - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY7iGPm622I&feature=emb_logo
Id just like to personally thank the Chinese for this Pandemic, and may we all do our utmost to continue to by crap from them for the foreseeable. Or at least till we all become communists. Removed
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05/01/2021 12:52:42 5 1
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Is that you Donald ?
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05/01/2021 12:34:07 5 5
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GPs in Scotland have got the right idea, they are all locked away in their surgeries, seeing no one
Makes you wonder if we really need them as one retired GP recently wrote in the spectator magazine
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05/01/2021 12:52:52 1 0
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In my local GP surgery in Warrington the back room staff have refused to give Doctor appointments and the only way to get anything is to submit an "econsult" form and then you may get a reply from a doctor - the surgery eventually said Doctors weren't seeing any patients so I had to go to A and E. How much are these Doctors paid?
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05/01/2021 13:12:23 0 0
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61 to 91k in Scotland but usually much more with their extras
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05/01/2021 12:27:56 24 5
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We did have an insight back in March, we all saw what was happening in other countries yet our government CHOSE to do nothing until too late. At least they have consistency of being late throughout this virus. The fact that we are here where we are today clearly shows they have failed, certainly it is not a success.
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05/01/2021 12:53:04 4 2
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Whilst the government’s response is often woeful, it would help if individuals took responsibility for their own actions; rather than blaming others. We all continue to see large numbers of people flouting guidance. They ignore mask wearing, social distancing, not visiting people outside their bubble, etc. More severe sanctions are required for the rule breakers, e.g. no access to NHS?
Id just like to personally thank the Chinese for this Pandemic, and may we all do our utmost to continue to by crap from them for the foreseeable. Or at least till we all become communists. Removed
It's a bit early to call Idiot Of the Month, but... Removed
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05/01/2021 12:36:13 0 0
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A British scientist called Gareth Cave has invented a new virus-killing face mask using nanotechnology to add an additional layer to the traditional 3-ply masks. I believe it is cheap and will go into production later this month. Perhaps a new supplier for the NHS?
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05/01/2021 12:39:37 1 2
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Pharm2Farm have produced the worlds first ever 5-ply mask. This would be perfect for the NHS! I Believe Dr Cave the inventor of these masks from the University of Nottingham was on BBC last month!

https://www.pharm2farm.org/face-masks/
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05/01/2021 12:41:09 2 0
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Surely the patients should have hem as ell. I personally know of four that have caught covid in hospital.
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05/01/2021 12:54:23 0 0
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You know four patients who got Covid in hospital?
You might be right about protecting the patients, but cut the crap or the good stuff will be dismissed too.
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05/01/2021 12:16:24 25 4
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Can patients entering hospital be given these too? Otherwise it kind of defeats the object.
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05/01/2021 12:54:43 4 0
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Staff are mask fit tested for FFP3 masks to ensure a seal around the face. It would be almost impossible to mask fit every patient and you would have to rely on patients to put them on, remove them and wear them correctly after testing, not to touch them, pull them down to drink/eat etc presuming they passed the test. Otherwise they are useless. You can't have facial hair either or you get no seal
Id just like to personally thank the Chinese for this Pandemic, and may we all do our utmost to continue to by crap from them for the foreseeable. Or at least till we all become communists. Removed
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05/01/2021 12:54:45 1 0
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Donald Trump is on BBC HYS!
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05/01/2021 12:55:45 2 1
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The most useful level of protection is to install the required building ventilation systems in hospitals,schools and workplaces.Intensive Care settings have them installed as a standard with recommendations about air changes per minute.This is well known to health &safety-but as it is “expensive” to set up in all areas it gets swept under the carpet and is all made about FFP3 masks
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05/01/2021 12:27:56 24 5
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We did have an insight back in March, we all saw what was happening in other countries yet our government CHOSE to do nothing until too late. At least they have consistency of being late throughout this virus. The fact that we are here where we are today clearly shows they have failed, certainly it is not a success.
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05/01/2021 12:56:01 2 0
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Ireland, Italy, Germany, Austria, Greece, Holland.. I could find other nearby countries in lockdown but I stopped looking, felt I had plenty already. They've made the same mistakes too, clearly.
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05/01/2021 12:56:11 2 0
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Yet there is a study that showed no difference in rate of infection between health staff given N95 masks and those given medical masks.
The other big difference between ITU and rest of hospital is EYE PROTECTION.
In India, community staff given masks alone suffered high rates of infection. This stopped when their masks were suplemented with eye protection.
Give the other staff eye protection.
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05/01/2021 12:42:28 6 6
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More whingeing from so called NHS representatives.
Donna Kinnair is an extremist trouble maker whose agenda has nothing to do with the wellbeing of nurses.
Why don't these people just get on with their jobs.
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05/01/2021 13:05:11 3 1
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I can find no basis or evidence for this crap
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No one should be wearing PPE. If you don't wear it, the sooner you will get COVID and can get on with your lives. The average age of COVID death is 82, so having COVID increases your life expectancy from the national average of 81. Removed
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05/01/2021 13:03:04 2 0
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Your logic doesn't make sense. They are two completely difference data sets and the second one is affected by a whole range of other death causes from car accidents to cancer.
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05/01/2021 13:08:26 1 0
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Edward think it through, if doctors and nurses get it they will; be off ill and the hospitals will not cope; they will pass it on to their families; young people can also get seriously ill and even die; not all of the staff are young; an infected doctor or nurse can infect patients and other staff
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05/01/2021 13:17:29 0 0
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Your just assuming when you catch it you will survive. Want to put it to the test?
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05/01/2021 12:48:41 8 8
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No doubt bojo will order world beating PPE
But it will never be delivered
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05/01/2021 12:56:29 4 1
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Grow up
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05/01/2021 12:56:38 4 3
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Our A&E department must be riddled with Covid - and I don't just mean the waiting areas - of course its in the air and on surfaces etc - this was shown early last March in research studies .....and yet idiots "pop" down to A&E to have a blister on their backside looked at - collect some Covid and then take it home with them - and so it spreads - no one has had a grip on this since Feb 2019.
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05/01/2021 13:09:39 3 1
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And covid deniers pop in at weekends to film fake news
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05/01/2021 13:20:15 1 0
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Feb 2019?? Do you know something the rest of us don't?
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05/01/2021 12:44:22 9 8
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I’m amazed this was allowed to be published. The government are threatening nhs staff with sackings not to reveal the shambles. They are being silenced from speaking out about the conditions, shortages and shoddy equipment bought through Tory donors. All the while Covidiots are staging photo shoots to undermine their efforts.
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05/01/2021 12:56:48 2 0
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Prove it
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05/01/2021 12:57:15 11 3
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What a shambles! Arn't the likes of Baroness Dido Harding and Lord Deighton meant to be in charge of rolling out supplies? Is it really that difficult to find out what's going on and what staff need to do their jobs safely and effectively?
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05/01/2021 13:01:21 2 2
bbc
If the advice changes from the WHO then PHE will follow.
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05/01/2021 13:04:47 4 0
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They've given the supplies that were requested, now the goal posts have been moved because we've just found out how much more easily the new variant spreads.
The doctors are now calling for better kit so sensible people will judge their performance after a reasonable amount of time
Your accusation is only valid if you have a political axe to grind and not based in logic.
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JB
05/01/2021 13:05:38 2 1
bbc
Policy made by medics for medics - no-one else..
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05/01/2021 13:12:33 4 0
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Why a shambles? Recommendations change all the time, do you not think that every country in the world are re evaluating protection
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05/01/2021 12:57:18 7 1
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Doesn't seem to be an unreasonable request. Any worker should be given the proper tools to get the job safely done. Better PPE, equals less absenteeism from illness, resulting in better delivery of services to the public. Win/win surely?
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05/01/2021 12:39:41 34 11
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Since 3 March, the day that SAGE recommended social distancing and Boris "shook hands with everybody" in a hospital, the government's response has been too little too late. People were still travelling to Italian Ski resorts in March, long after the Pandemic had taken hold there. The unnecessary delay in imposing lockdown, the farcical Test and Trace launch, and Barnard Castlegate. Totally inept!
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05/01/2021 12:57:32 17 13
bbc
Nothing to do with PPE but moan away it’s hilarious
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05/01/2021 13:14:58 9 1
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Just because you think it's hilarious doesn't mean that it isn't true.
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05/01/2021 16:39:09 1 0
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if you think that's hilarious you should watch Mrs Browns boys.

you would laugh. oh how you would laugh.
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06/01/2021 08:54:56 1 0
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It is a symptom of the mismanagement of the entire pandemic by the government.
A strategic PPE store had been set up under Labour before the Tories came to power in 2010, the Tories ran that store down, ignored their own pandemic preparedness exercise (Cygnus) and indeed did the opposite of many of it's recommendations, and have repeatedly failed on PPE and everything else since then.
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05/01/2021 12:58:16 17 0
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Our NHS and care home staff should be better protected. In some countries the decision was taken to vaccinate the hands on carers before anyone else. Many doctors and nurses have still not been immunised and if they get ill the hospitals will not cope.

Unfortunately FFP3 masks do not fit everybody adequately (especially female faces)

Vaccinate them all as a priority and improve PPE
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05/01/2021 13:04:52 1 0
bbc
They don't fit anyone with a big nose...
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nas
05/01/2021 12:45:52 2 0
bbc
Pharm2Farm have produced a 5 ply mask that kills Covid with their Nanoparticle layer. This would be perfect for NHS and all other uses.
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05/01/2021 13:24:05 0 2
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Let's hope they've got a cabinet minister or two on the board then!
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05/01/2021 13:00:15 6 6
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Maybe bozo the clown who maybe spaff another 20 million to his consultant mate who sells cars or something else other than PPE.

This government is a joke
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05/01/2021 13:09:15 3 4
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Just like your comment
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05/01/2021 12:49:43 5 1
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Not really feasible to fit-test patients unfortunately.
Wearing a standard surgical mask also doesn't lower your O2 saturdation, whereas the FFP3s do when worn for prolonged periods so aren't necessarily suitable for people who are already in hospital ill with other things. Staff being made to work on confirmed covid-positive wards with only surgical mark and aprons is a bloody disgrace though.
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05/01/2021 13:00:39 0 0
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I would go with universal eye protection before FFP3 masks for all.
Evidence supports that better and does not require the fit testing.
I'm seeing more use of wrap-around glasses in hospitals.
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05/01/2021 13:00:50 1 1
bbc
Too late a wheeze demand. Before such masks could be made and delivered nhs staff will have been vaccinated.

What next? Give these masks, but, Even better would be full biohazard suits. More disposable waste at ever high costs!
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05/01/2021 12:57:15 11 3
bbc
What a shambles! Arn't the likes of Baroness Dido Harding and Lord Deighton meant to be in charge of rolling out supplies? Is it really that difficult to find out what's going on and what staff need to do their jobs safely and effectively?
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05/01/2021 13:01:21 2 2
bbc
If the advice changes from the WHO then PHE will follow.
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05/01/2021 12:27:56 24 5
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We did have an insight back in March, we all saw what was happening in other countries yet our government CHOSE to do nothing until too late. At least they have consistency of being late throughout this virus. The fact that we are here where we are today clearly shows they have failed, certainly it is not a success.
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05/01/2021 13:01:32 5 1
bbc
So people have absolutely no responsibility to protect themselves? It isn't the government failing to social distance, it isn't the government failing to sanitise and wash hands, it isn't the government failing to wear masks properly - if at all, it isn't the government failing to stick to the rules (OK- i know there are exceptions). "You can take a horse to water" - people can be their own enemy!
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06/01/2021 09:12:40 0 0
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Tory bots blaming the people for failure of Tory leadership to lead again I see.

Well I suppose it was the people who voted for this woefully incompetent government, so in a way they are responsible to that extent at least... (well 42% of them are anyway)
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05/01/2021 12:41:09 2 0
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Surely the patients should have hem as ell. I personally know of four that have caught covid in hospital.
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05/01/2021 13:01:48 1 0
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FFP3 masks are unpleasant to wear.
No one should be wearing PPE. If you don't wear it, the sooner you will get COVID and can get on with your lives. The average age of COVID death is 82, so having COVID increases your life expectancy from the national average of 81. Removed
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05/01/2021 13:03:04 2 0
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Your logic doesn't make sense. They are two completely difference data sets and the second one is affected by a whole range of other death causes from car accidents to cancer.
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05/01/2021 13:03:36 9 1
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The NHS supply chain sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. You couldn’t run purchasing in a business like that. They tie themselves up with rules rather than best practice.
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05/01/2021 13:41:09 7 0
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And who heads up the NHS....oh, that would be Tory Secretary of State Matt Chocolate Fireguard Hancock! Surely must have some more mates completely unrelated to the healthcare that he can hand out lucrative contracts to?
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06/01/2021 09:20:14 0 0
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The NHS used to have a centralised purchasing function, that was dismantled by the Tory party as part of the changes to break the NHS into 'trusts', changes that increased the % of NHS budget spent on administration by roughly 3x (from 5% to 14%)
But then if your plan is to sell off the NHS, you need to break it down into saleable bite sized chunks...
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05/01/2021 13:04:26 3 1
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Good luck with that FFP3 masks have been unavailable for best part of a year
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05/01/2021 13:23:57 0 0
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thats garbage

more expensive yes - but no problem getting hold of them if you know where to look
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05/01/2021 13:37:38 0 0
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FFP3 masks are unsuitable; They filter air that you inhale, but not air that you breathe out.
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JB
05/01/2021 13:04:32 5 4
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This is a medical decision, as shown by the Trusts already doing it, not a political one..
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05/01/2021 13:12:03 3 2
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Yes, it’s the NHS, trusts and administrators that are in charge of the supply of PPE. It’s up to them to source what is needed. What are the purchasing departments doing?The PPE is available.
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05/01/2021 12:57:15 11 3
bbc
What a shambles! Arn't the likes of Baroness Dido Harding and Lord Deighton meant to be in charge of rolling out supplies? Is it really that difficult to find out what's going on and what staff need to do their jobs safely and effectively?
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05/01/2021 13:04:47 4 0
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They've given the supplies that were requested, now the goal posts have been moved because we've just found out how much more easily the new variant spreads.
The doctors are now calling for better kit so sensible people will judge their performance after a reasonable amount of time
Your accusation is only valid if you have a political axe to grind and not based in logic.
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05/01/2021 13:40:18 0 0
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The goalposts haven't moved. There was a risk that the numbers could rise to a high level again. First time was forgiveable because they were not expecting a pandemic, but they knew the risk fo a second wave for 9 months.
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05/01/2021 12:58:16 17 0
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Our NHS and care home staff should be better protected. In some countries the decision was taken to vaccinate the hands on carers before anyone else. Many doctors and nurses have still not been immunised and if they get ill the hospitals will not cope.

Unfortunately FFP3 masks do not fit everybody adequately (especially female faces)

Vaccinate them all as a priority and improve PPE
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05/01/2021 13:04:52 1 0
bbc
They don't fit anyone with a big nose...
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05/01/2021 18:25:22 0 0
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Most don't but some do!
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05/01/2021 12:42:28 6 6
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More whingeing from so called NHS representatives.
Donna Kinnair is an extremist trouble maker whose agenda has nothing to do with the wellbeing of nurses.
Why don't these people just get on with their jobs.
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05/01/2021 13:05:11 3 1
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I can find no basis or evidence for this crap
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05/01/2021 12:42:28 18 4
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And why not. If we're being asked to wear 2 layer masks it seems unreasonable to ask them to risk their lives every day with less than 100% equipment.
"Risk their lives?" - utter over dramatic nonsense. Removed
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05/01/2021 13:23:48 2 0
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Medical personnel have, and continue to, contract Covid in their workplace, and sadly some of those die from it. So yes, there is a risk to life.... it may be a very small percentage, but they are still people who could have been better protected in their jobs and many of those few would still be alive if they were better protected.
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05/01/2021 13:27:56 1 0
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Go work there yourself if your so sure it's safe.
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05/01/2021 13:30:30 2 0
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Tell that to the 200+ NHS staff who have died of Covid.
Removed
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05/01/2021 12:45:02 5 0
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When was your last wee?
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05/01/2021 13:05:35 0 0
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Last week!
Also less than 1,300 hospitals compared to over 47,000 pubs in the UK
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05/01/2021 13:34:01 3 1
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Hospitals are bigger than pubs. (I can't believe I;m having to point this out!)

Pubs are mostly closed, those that are open practice social distancing. Hosptials are very busy, with lots of movement (you can't treat a leg wound at 2 metres!) and we also keep covid patients away from pubs and deliberately send them to hospitals.
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05/01/2021 12:57:15 11 3
bbc
What a shambles! Arn't the likes of Baroness Dido Harding and Lord Deighton meant to be in charge of rolling out supplies? Is it really that difficult to find out what's going on and what staff need to do their jobs safely and effectively?
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JB
05/01/2021 13:05:38 2 1
bbc
Policy made by medics for medics - no-one else..
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05/01/2021 13:06:28 9 4
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What, are they not getting their £350 million a week yet then?
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bbc
Ask Mr han cock for some that's sitting in a empty field jobs for mates the wealth shift is unreal only some have eyes open. Removed
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05/01/2021 13:08:12 4 4
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Vaccinate these people first.My elderly,shielding parents should not have received it before carers.
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05/01/2021 13:08:14 16 4
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Sounds like an ideal time for ministers to hand out more contracts to pals. No need for due dilligence, tender review or quality management. If its your pal, what could go wrong.
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05/01/2021 16:53:49 0 3
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well get some of your mates to put tenders in if competitive they will probably get it
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05/01/2021 13:08:17 2 2
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One of the biggest spreaders of covid are those keypad card machines!

Cash has its advantages!
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05/01/2021 13:13:02 3 1
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Then do as I do. Use hand sanitiser after.
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Ed
05/01/2021 13:18:51 0 0
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You don't see how different people handling the same coins and notes presents the exact same issue as different people using card machines? Most card machines are contactless now anyway.
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05/01/2021 13:21:56 2 0
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Because cash doesn't harbour virus? I think you've got that VERY wrong.
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05/01/2021 13:35:34 1 0
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Which you get from an ATM...duh!
No one should be wearing PPE. If you don't wear it, the sooner you will get COVID and can get on with your lives. The average age of COVID death is 82, so having COVID increases your life expectancy from the national average of 81. Removed
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05/01/2021 13:08:26 1 0
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Edward think it through, if doctors and nurses get it they will; be off ill and the hospitals will not cope; they will pass it on to their families; young people can also get seriously ill and even die; not all of the staff are young; an infected doctor or nurse can infect patients and other staff
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05/01/2021 13:00:15 6 6
bbc
Maybe bozo the clown who maybe spaff another 20 million to his consultant mate who sells cars or something else other than PPE.

This government is a joke
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05/01/2021 13:09:15 3 4
bbc
Just like your comment
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05/01/2021 12:33:43 66 11
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As a recently retired GP I have kept in touch with friends and colleagues who are struggling both inside and outside the hospital I am amazed at the Covid deniers and people who do not follow simple instructions to keep us all safe.It’s NOT a joke nor is it just the elderly it’s people between 20 to 50 now dying of Covid.Please following the rules genuinely SAVES LIVES .
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05/01/2021 13:09:19 17 14
bbc
I’ve really believe we should make “Covid denial” a crime? Not the belief, if that’s what you want to believe, but the active promotion of the views in public or on social media.

These people are basically trolls who are fuelling an increase in death from the virus.

Perhaps one for an online petition.
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05/01/2021 13:31:21 4 2
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I agree. It is times like these that prove we do not deserve freedom of speech. When vulnerable people are dying because of the words and actions of these people, something drastic needs to be done. That also includes holding corrupt and/or incompetent politicians to the same accountability, because they are also killing people with their policies.
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05/01/2021 16:44:11 0 3
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You shut down discussion you are on dangerous ground
Take some time to educate yourself about the 1930s
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05/01/2021 19:44:20 2 0
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The very fact some downvote this comment shows how much abuse of the Internet has rotted some people's brains......
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POB
05/01/2021 12:56:38 4 3
bbc
Our A&E department must be riddled with Covid - and I don't just mean the waiting areas - of course its in the air and on surfaces etc - this was shown early last March in research studies .....and yet idiots "pop" down to A&E to have a blister on their backside looked at - collect some Covid and then take it home with them - and so it spreads - no one has had a grip on this since Feb 2019.
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05/01/2021 13:09:39 3 1
bbc
And covid deniers pop in at weekends to film fake news
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05/01/2021 13:09:53 8 1
bbc
Front line health workers must receive the vaccine as a priority and must be provided with appropriate PPE. This crisis has been with us for a year now and there is nowhere for the Government to hide if they fail to ensure that health workers receive the PPE that they need to do their job. Boris is quick to promise but, sadly, is very slow to deiver!
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05/01/2021 13:12:56 2 0
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Don't panic - you're 100% correct
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05/01/2021 12:44:22 9 8
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I’m amazed this was allowed to be published. The government are threatening nhs staff with sackings not to reveal the shambles. They are being silenced from speaking out about the conditions, shortages and shoddy equipment bought through Tory donors. All the while Covidiots are staging photo shoots to undermine their efforts.
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05/01/2021 13:10:51 0 0
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lol. Still publishing garbage are we?
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JB
05/01/2021 13:04:32 5 4
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This is a medical decision, as shown by the Trusts already doing it, not a political one..
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05/01/2021 13:12:03 3 2
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Yes, it’s the NHS, trusts and administrators that are in charge of the supply of PPE. It’s up to them to source what is needed. What are the purchasing departments doing?The PPE is available.
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05/01/2021 13:36:30 0 0
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You know this, how?
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05/01/2021 13:12:09 6 4
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As they've just appealed for this recently I'm absolutely shocked and stunned that we don't have billions of items available immediately for distribution ... why didn't anyone foresee that this was going to happen ?

I'm sure that Nicola Sturgeon wouldn't have allowed this to happen in Scotland.
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C42
05/01/2021 13:21:21 0 0
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Scotland has exactly the same ppe advice as the rest of the uk
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C42
05/01/2021 13:26:15 0 0
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Scotland has exactly the same ppe as the rest of the uk
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05/01/2021 13:12:18 5 2
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Bottom of the article - public health England said it was for NHS England to comment - I thought Thatcher promised us "a bonfire of the quangos". If anything the situation is worse. I remember a similar incident a few years ago when we discovered that we had too few midwives the hot potato was passed around - turned out nobody admitted it was their responsibility, falling between the cracks
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05/01/2021 12:52:52 1 0
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In my local GP surgery in Warrington the back room staff have refused to give Doctor appointments and the only way to get anything is to submit an "econsult" form and then you may get a reply from a doctor - the surgery eventually said Doctors weren't seeing any patients so I had to go to A and E. How much are these Doctors paid?
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05/01/2021 13:12:23 0 0
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61 to 91k in Scotland but usually much more with their extras
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05/01/2021 12:57:15 11 3
bbc
What a shambles! Arn't the likes of Baroness Dido Harding and Lord Deighton meant to be in charge of rolling out supplies? Is it really that difficult to find out what's going on and what staff need to do their jobs safely and effectively?
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05/01/2021 13:12:33 4 0
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Why a shambles? Recommendations change all the time, do you not think that every country in the world are re evaluating protection
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05/01/2021 13:09:53 8 1
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Front line health workers must receive the vaccine as a priority and must be provided with appropriate PPE. This crisis has been with us for a year now and there is nowhere for the Government to hide if they fail to ensure that health workers receive the PPE that they need to do their job. Boris is quick to promise but, sadly, is very slow to deiver!
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05/01/2021 13:12:56 2 0
bbc
Don't panic - you're 100% correct
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05/01/2021 13:08:17 2 2
bbc
One of the biggest spreaders of covid are those keypad card machines!

Cash has its advantages!
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05/01/2021 13:13:02 3 1
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Then do as I do. Use hand sanitiser after.
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05/01/2021 12:57:32 17 13
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Nothing to do with PPE but moan away it’s hilarious
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05/01/2021 13:14:58 9 1
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Just because you think it's hilarious doesn't mean that it isn't true.
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05/01/2021 14:53:01 2 2
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I see he got his 13 bots to vote him up.
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05/01/2021 13:15:01 0 3
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It has always been airborne. Sadly WHO and others tried to resist the evidence. We are now in a position where it is probable that a lower viral dose will cause infection in susceptibles. This is where the evidence of increased spread in tier 4 led us. Very unlikely that lockdown again will change trajectory this time.
No one should be wearing PPE. If you don't wear it, the sooner you will get COVID and can get on with your lives. The average age of COVID death is 82, so having COVID increases your life expectancy from the national average of 81. Removed
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05/01/2021 13:17:29 0 0
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Your just assuming when you catch it you will survive. Want to put it to the test?
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05/01/2021 13:18:03 7 0
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That the virus is spread by aerosols has been known since day one!
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05/01/2021 13:26:50 0 6
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the ones that wrecked the ozone layer????????
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05/01/2021 13:08:17 2 2
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One of the biggest spreaders of covid are those keypad card machines!

Cash has its advantages!
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Ed
05/01/2021 13:18:51 0 0
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You don't see how different people handling the same coins and notes presents the exact same issue as different people using card machines? Most card machines are contactless now anyway.
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06/01/2021 11:49:49 0 0
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Yes contactless payment is a boon and increasing the limit to £45 pounds is a positive step, but my bank has a cumulative limit of £120 when one has to key in your numbers again to restore the contactless function.
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POB
05/01/2021 12:56:38 4 3
bbc
Our A&E department must be riddled with Covid - and I don't just mean the waiting areas - of course its in the air and on surfaces etc - this was shown early last March in research studies .....and yet idiots "pop" down to A&E to have a blister on their backside looked at - collect some Covid and then take it home with them - and so it spreads - no one has had a grip on this since Feb 2019.
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05/01/2021 13:20:15 1 0
bbc
Feb 2019?? Do you know something the rest of us don't?
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05/01/2021 12:48:41 8 8
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No doubt bojo will order world beating PPE
But it will never be delivered
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05/01/2021 13:20:46 1 1
bbc
He will bang his fists on the table emphatically and assure the nation that he has no doubt that by August it will be summer (and a world beating one)
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:30:17 34 12
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Actually, the scientific evidence is beginning to point the other way: that the virus is not carried long in the air, falling out quickly onto surfaces and spread by touch. And that asymptomatic carriers are far worse spreaders than the ill.

But I still wouldn't grudge the NHS workers the improved PPE. They work all day among the virus, so a even remote chance of infection is hugely amplified.
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05/01/2021 13:20:52 6 0
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"Actually, the scientific evidence is beginning to point the other way: "

Please back this up with evidence, hopefully not from Mike on Facebook.
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xlr
05/01/2021 13:36:16 2 0
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Ok. Here's the Nature paper:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16670-2

And some other Chinese papers with similar conclusions:

https://www.cebm.net/study/covid-19-toilets-dominate-environmental-detection-of-sars-cov-2-in-a-hospital/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7291769/

If you think I'm cherry-picking you can google them yourself.
Boris Johnson & the Terrible Torys really have made a mess of this havn't they?

We are back to where we were a year ago with lockdowns & NHS staff begging for adequate PPE

Only now we have the highest number of deaths of any EU nation, the highest number of excess deaths per 100,000 pop of any EU nation & the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide

All thanks to Bozo & the clowns
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05/01/2021 13:30:25 1 2
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could not agree with you more clowns ?? ????????
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05/01/2021 12:33:43 66 11
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As a recently retired GP I have kept in touch with friends and colleagues who are struggling both inside and outside the hospital I am amazed at the Covid deniers and people who do not follow simple instructions to keep us all safe.It’s NOT a joke nor is it just the elderly it’s people between 20 to 50 now dying of Covid.Please following the rules genuinely SAVES LIVES .
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05/01/2021 12:58:33 6 12
bbc
Nobody's denying the existence of Covid.
Generally people are following the rules. But the rules are a joke, so why don't your mates just get on with their jobs and stop whingeing. There's a lot more than them who now have no livelihoods or future prospect of work. May as well be dead.
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05/01/2021 13:25:59 7 6
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Ridiculous comment. People are actually dying. People can get a new job.
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05/01/2021 12:42:09 21 3
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"beginning to point the other way"

No-one is suggesting that the virus is not spread by non airborne contact but the science definately suggests that it can be spread by airborne contact and so masks are still important.

Higher levels of asymptomatic spread are due to ill people being more likely to reduce contact with others.

You seem to be twisting facts to support not wearing a mask.
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xlr
05/01/2021 13:21:44 4 2
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Not what I'm saying at all. A mask means that most (90-99%) of the particles never make it more than 1cm from your face. And those that do aren't propelled as far by speaking, breathing or coughing.

A mask is of great help.
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05/01/2021 13:08:17 2 2
bbc
One of the biggest spreaders of covid are those keypad card machines!

Cash has its advantages!
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05/01/2021 13:21:56 2 0
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Because cash doesn't harbour virus? I think you've got that VERY wrong.
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05/01/2021 13:23:01 2 3
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Don't worry, they'll give a billion pound order to one of their mates, runs a pizza take away, well qualified, Tory donor too.