UK 'cannot duck' post-Covid inequalities, report warns
05/01/2021 | news | business | 698
A growing divide over education, jobs, and ethnicity threaten the fabric of society, says Nobel laureate's study.
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05/01/2021 11:30:01 29 26
bbc
Is this 'The Tories' fault, Comrades?

Or is it caused by Brexit, Remoaners?

And if so then why does every other country in Europe (and elsewhere) have exactly the same issues?
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05/01/2021 11:31:39 12 10
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It's caused by Covid. Haven't you read the article?
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05/01/2021 11:32:10 11 11
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Which other country has a lying buffoon in charge and has imposed economic sanctions on itself in the middle of a pandemic?
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05/01/2021 11:40:30 3 2
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Covid is the problem, Government is responsible for the response to the problem of Covid, do I think that response has been correct and done in a timely fashion, I am sure there are experts who will give an opinion eventually, what has been noticeable is that our government has repeatedly had to make u turns, only when we have Covids measure will we really know the cost to the UK lives
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05/01/2021 11:53:42 1 3
bbc
As usual, the "party of personal responsibility" and its supporters looking to shift the blame for their failings elsewhere. We have the highest death toll in Europe, despite other countries having the same issues. Vote for a single issue party and it's obviously going to go badly wrong when another issues starts to dominate proceedings.
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05/01/2021 11:31:31 65 31
bbc
"UK 'cannot duck' post-Covid inequalities, report warns"

Of course we can.

Just tell lies, repeat them when challenged, offer no proof, refuse all scrutiny, and brief against anyone who tries to tell a different narrative.
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05/01/2021 11:51:59 3 5
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CON +6!
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:39:51 4 1
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Don't forget the old chestnut of always presenting reform as revolution. Something Britain's right wing tabloid press do so very well.

"Don't vote for him, he's a radical leftist / Marxist / Would have the unions running the country and the rubbish piling up by Tuesday!"
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05/01/2021 11:31:34 20 27
bbc
And yet we can guarantee that this shameful excuse for a government will continue to ignore all of the inequalities it has presided over for the last decade. One hundred thousand dead, the economy in ruins, millions of lives destroyed and zero ministerial resignations. Treasonous.
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05/01/2021 11:42:14 6 3
bbc
Where do you dream up the "One hundred thousand dead" from? Look at the deaths 2020 compared to other years.
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05/01/2021 11:30:01 29 26
bbc
Is this 'The Tories' fault, Comrades?

Or is it caused by Brexit, Remoaners?

And if so then why does every other country in Europe (and elsewhere) have exactly the same issues?
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05/01/2021 11:31:39 12 10
bbc
It's caused by Covid. Haven't you read the article?
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05/01/2021 11:33:39 9 5
bbc
"Launched 18 months ago, the review says Covid-19 worsened existing problems."

Well you clearly didn't read the article

PMSL
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05/01/2021 11:31:51 108 38
bbc
Please can the IFS do another study into the bleeding obvious
What a surprise that those better placed, with more money and better educated do better in hard times
Any new support must be aimed at those who cannot help themselves rather than those who choose not to help themselves or help their families
There is no reason why a parent cannot help a child with their learning - only a lack of will
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05/01/2021 11:34:33 32 18
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Yes, because as we all know family circumstances never ever change, and never as a result of things they cannot control.
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05/01/2021 11:38:33 12 6
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There is no reason why a parent cannot help a child with their learning - only a lack of will
What!!! Do you not realise that some people are just not capable of helping their children because of the inadequate childhood they had? In this situation turning your back on these families because the parents aren't 'trying' means the cycle continues. These families need more help not less.
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05/01/2021 12:00:17 6 4
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"There is no reason why a parent cannot help a child with their learning - only a lack of will"

Both my parents' formal education ended in their mid-teens, at 16 I had more academic qualifications than the pair of them.

They dearly would have loved to have helped me, like they did when I was in primary school, but they just couldn't help much with my Os and As

Careful with your assumptions
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05/01/2021 11:54:11 2 3
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What if that parent is a nurse on an ICU? How does that compare with a parent who is furloughed? I would argue that those situations are very different in terms of capacity to help their child learn.
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RTH
05/01/2021 12:18:54 8 0
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Agree with you. The problem is we focus too much on rights rather than responsibilities. I could moan about living on a council estate with a single parent etc etc, but I took responsibility for my future. Too much of the media is intent on offering 'victimhood' to the masses and too many readily accept it.
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05/01/2021 12:15:52 0 1
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You've got to be joking, you really seem quite naive.
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05/01/2021 13:08:38 2 0
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Well made comment.
It should be clear that help is made available for those who make the effort; perhaps that will encourage those who think it's all up to the schools to think again
When you read that kids lost the ability to use cutlery plus other really basic life skills in LD1 then you have to question the parents. Both mine worked, but took the time to help my learning which helped me get on.
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05/01/2021 11:32:02 103 34
bbc
Nothing will change. The rich will get rich, the poor will stay poor, and those on benefits as a result of all this will be frozen out and forced into poverty worse than they are now.
To change you have to change society thinking, I see no sign of that on the horizon.
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05/01/2021 11:41:13 41 16
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And lockdowns are accelerating this process massively
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05/01/2021 11:46:11 16 3
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And yet with strength of character, self discipline and drive some people make their own opportunities. They escape the world of their parents.

I believe that with considerable wealth comes responsibly. Some rich people are greedy but some try to make a difference.

It is not a simple issue of all poor people are good and all the rich are bad. That is just the politics of envy.
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DSA
05/01/2021 11:48:03 7 12
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This sounds like you are an idle moaner on benefits expecting everything for nothing.

Most of those who are successful have got off their backsides and worked hard for their money, give it a try you might surprise yourself. I did and from having nothing now own a sucessful small business.
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pTc
05/01/2021 11:50:14 9 10
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Everybody has a brain, and we have free education in this country. Just because some people choose to rot in the gutters is not the fault of society. If you want to do well, then you can. If you choose a life of benefits because it is easier, then you can also do that.
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05/01/2021 11:50:40 7 2
bbc
Indeed an change to society thinking is needed, we need to stop the culture of entitlement and start to educate our children to be both positive and realistic about their own abilities.

Too many times we hear 'but it's my right ...' and never 'but it's also my responsibility ...'.
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xlr
05/01/2021 11:52:44 8 2
bbc
Actually it will get worse. Karen, sitting on her mound of toilet paper, did not lose her job. Her husband did not lose her job. Her kids will get private tuition.
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05/01/2021 11:57:36 4 7
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What poverty? Benefits scroungers have more disposable income than me, my own cousin is a perfect example of that, I can't afford a flat in London, he can!
If they choose to not feed their offspring then that's on them, not me!
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05/01/2021 12:42:49 0 0
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If that were true, we might as well stop providing benefits to the poor altogether, as it clearly won't solve the problem.

Alternatively pay everyone a realistic income from the money tree but warn them there are no extra benefits and if or when the money trees fail, they're entirely on their own.
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05/01/2021 13:57:08 0 0
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all the low paid jobs in UK are done by east europeans...others who don't want to get paid peanuts deal drugs and are quite wealthy from it and put their kids into private schools
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05/01/2021 14:57:39 0 0
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Why do we want things to change......? If I'm rich and the poor bloke next-door slowly becomes as rich as me.....then by default I'm no longer rich......just the as poor or 'rich' as him........and most don't want to be the same as everyone else.
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05/01/2021 15:50:06 0 0
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You are for too pessimistic. Living standards and attitudes to race and gender in British society have changed greatly for the better in my lifetime.
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05/01/2021 11:32:10 45 35
bbc
As if this government care about inequalities!

They will go out of their way to duck post Covid inequalities as much as possible.

Just look at their recent history. They’re Tories after all.
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05/01/2021 11:30:01 29 26
bbc
Is this 'The Tories' fault, Comrades?

Or is it caused by Brexit, Remoaners?

And if so then why does every other country in Europe (and elsewhere) have exactly the same issues?
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05/01/2021 11:32:10 11 11
bbc
Which other country has a lying buffoon in charge and has imposed economic sanctions on itself in the middle of a pandemic?
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05/01/2021 11:33:59 5 5
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All of them
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05/01/2021 11:36:11 4 6
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So every other country in Europe (and elsewhere) has exactly the same problems because the UK "has a lying buffoon in charge"?

Thank you for answering my question

PMSL
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05/01/2021 11:32:47 137 44
bbc
The biggest underlying cause is shortage of housing.

The population has increased by 9 million since 2000, without building the homes to house them.

Hence people are paying too much for housing (supply and demand) making them short of money for other things, stuck in multiple occupancy etc.

We need to build houses for those already here, and limit immigration.
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05/01/2021 11:37:46 69 135
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Really, we're still blaming immigration, are we?
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05/01/2021 11:44:09 29 8
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Housebuilders sit on sites and develop them slowly as they know the value of the land is going up all the time. Housebuilders should either build on the land, or have to sell it at the value they bought it at
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05/01/2021 11:47:38 38 7
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I read a great book on this - Home Truths by Liam Halligan.

One of the biggest drivers is developers holding on to vast tracts of land with planning permission but only drip feeding the market, creating an artificial scarcity.

I think Labour proposed a 'use it or lose it' law prior to the election. It was a good idea.
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05/01/2021 11:58:31 12 43
bbc
Didn't take long for the usual "blame the immigrants for everything" types to emerge. Classic Tory divide and rule.

Bloke with 200 biscuits looks at bloke with one biscuit and tells him "don't let that immigrant nick your biscuit".
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05/01/2021 12:00:33 7 4
bbc
There are too many people, but there are also plenty of houses, thousands going up in Bedfordshire alone, on all that lovely farm land. They're just owned by landlords after benefit money.
NB most of the new builds are built in flood risk areas, which possibly compensates for the poor wiring and insulation fire risks they have in them.
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:05:13 3 0
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Nah, it's not about the availability of housing. You could build all the houses you want, I still couldn't get one. I'm too old for a long loan, my job is too insecure for a short one, and I'm not well paid enough to save up a deposit if I lived on nothing but supermarket bread.

The current owners of houses wouldn't allow you to deflate their properties by building more and would vote to stop it.
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05/01/2021 12:17:00 3 1
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We need a massive tax on second homes or more including MPs
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Pip
05/01/2021 12:17:05 6 1
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Curbing the population would be a good start, we can't continue to build houses ad infinitum...........?
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05/01/2021 12:36:22 4 0
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The housing problem dates back to the mid 1980's when council houses were sold and not replaced BY LAW. Many sold their houses for some real money and private landlords raised rents to cover mortgage and other costs and profit - one reason council houses were cheaper to rent.
Immigration? Only from the EU since 2005/6. Current immigration is HIGHER than on 2016
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05/01/2021 13:10:10 5 0
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No shortage of housing outside the SE. Most of our northern cities have population levels far below where they were even back around the start of the 20th century.
The real issue is the concentration of all investment into the SE corner of the country.
Area like NE England see £1 for every £20 per head that is spent on infrastructure vs London and the SE, similar disparity on arts spending etc...
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05/01/2021 13:26:08 2 2
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Yes population is the 'crime'. Migration the cause.
However housing can be solved fast and easy with the likes of container homes. It deliberately is not because the point is to feed all the money to those immorally selling fields to appropriate planning gain millions to private pockets. 'Mates' of politicians own the fields hence build free for all. Inequality is hard wired in.
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05/01/2021 13:40:31 1 3
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Society has made great progress. A man who presented Have I Got News For You is now a Knight of the Realm & is producing heavyweight reports into inequalities. If people don't feel they belong then they should emigrate (or return to whence they came), the rich will invest to make more money (that's capitalism for you) & people will continue to bitch. All changes, all stays the same. Happy Lockdown
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05/01/2021 13:41:23 2 1
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Well now you have Brexit, you can put a stop to those nasty immigrants then... so stop moaning.
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05/01/2021 11:33:00 40 28
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Yeah but we have a Tory government. They will say we are all in this together and then make sure those at the bottom of the pile suffer most by a combination of wage freezes, benefit freezes (cuts?) and reduction in services that the poorest rely on.
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05/01/2021 11:37:11 20 25
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if you actually believe this comment i pity you...
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:20:32 7 2
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But the Tories support businesses and wealthy interests instead so they don't "run away", which is why the last 10 years were a cornucopia of economic growth, rise in quality of life and...

...oh wait
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05/01/2021 12:30:30 2 7
bbc
Without poverty there would be no Labour party. They rely on class war for votes and therefore it is not in their interest to change things. Just pay lip service and do a bit of hand wringing
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05/01/2021 14:12:30 1 3
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that is nonsense !
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05/01/2021 16:08:04 2 0
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Yaah, things would have been much better if we had elected Corbyn and his crew. They really understood poor people, didn't they?
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05/01/2021 11:33:09 126 59
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Last night's farce shows that the government has no understanding of how their actions impact the lives of UK citizens. Send kids to school to mix for one day after a two week break, then lock them down with no notice and schools are scrabbling around to sort everything?!?

The government has little clue about the reasons for inequalities, nor any desire to truly address them.
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05/01/2021 11:44:07 95 84
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Endless lazy moaning for moaning sake.

All from people who they themselves would not have even the slightest ability or comprehension on how to organise and co-ordinate such a novel national response.
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05/01/2021 11:56:43 4 23
bbc
I agree, schools should have been kept open.

Children's education & social wellbeing should be paramount, as well as taking into account that many parents actually work.

This article has now added about the inequalities that it presents.

It staggers me how many people posted about schools closing on previous HYS's, with no fines at moment you weren't even forced to send kids if you didn't want!
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05/01/2021 12:13:26 6 1
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polling shows that 77% of the UK population support a lockdown. are you sure it isn't you that is out of touch with the british public?
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05/01/2021 15:52:40 1 0
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I think the government are genuinely reluctant to impose on people's lives like this, but they feel they have no choice. Many Labour politicians also come from a privileged background, but they try to hide it.
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05/01/2021 16:11:28 1 0
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And all the kids managed to do in one day was swap bugs so they can take home new ones .Shambles
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05/01/2021 11:33:20 21 6
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To be fair to everyone, it means ending **all** discrimination on **all** sides.

Treat everyone fairly not based on their race, gender, views, wealth

I know of companies that fear to deal with certain staff and it resulted in positive discrimination. Key word "discrimination" just meant that other felt unfairly treated and caused resentment and the productivity fallout
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05/01/2021 11:31:39 12 10
bbc
It's caused by Covid. Haven't you read the article?
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05/01/2021 11:33:39 9 5
bbc
"Launched 18 months ago, the review says Covid-19 worsened existing problems."

Well you clearly didn't read the article

PMSL
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05/01/2021 11:38:02 7 5
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Our issues our worse than many - partly because of successive government's policies and partly due to the impact of Covid.

But of course, you had to bring Brexit into it and have a dull pop at "Comrades" and "Remoaners" like obsessives do.
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05/01/2021 11:32:10 11 11
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Which other country has a lying buffoon in charge and has imposed economic sanctions on itself in the middle of a pandemic?
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05/01/2021 11:33:59 5 5
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All of them
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05/01/2021 11:34:30 9 13
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This report is all very one sided, what about the fact that those people out of work had the time to home school, whereas those that worked from home didn't have the time to homeschool... surely it is the better off whose children have missed out the most!
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Vk
05/01/2021 11:39:07 5 2
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I think nurses and other low paid key workers would disagree with you.
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05/01/2021 11:31:51 108 38
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Please can the IFS do another study into the bleeding obvious
What a surprise that those better placed, with more money and better educated do better in hard times
Any new support must be aimed at those who cannot help themselves rather than those who choose not to help themselves or help their families
There is no reason why a parent cannot help a child with their learning - only a lack of will
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05/01/2021 11:34:33 32 18
bbc
Yes, because as we all know family circumstances never ever change, and never as a result of things they cannot control.
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05/01/2021 11:53:03 17 6
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There's a reason as a professional I drive an incredibly beat up old car but my children have fresh clean clothes and mostly home cooked food. There is a reason that many unemployed in my close drive expensive gas guzzling new cars but their children dress in old clothes and eat take outs
Circumstances changing is not the reason, priorities is!
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05/01/2021 12:16:53 4 0
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Well some you can. You don't have to have children (or take on other large or long term commitments, mortgage possibly excepted) when you have barely enough resources to look after yourself.
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05/01/2021 12:59:52 1 0
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Agreed things can change but how you respond to change is within your control. Whilst I'm not down-playing the impact ofrecent events far too many people look to blame others when they should take responsibility & look to maximise their situation (what ever that might be). Ultimately if a parent doesn't do a good job it's the child that suffers most irrespective of "why" they didn't do a good job
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05/01/2021 15:53:36 0 0
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I don't understand what you are saying.
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05/01/2021 11:34:47 39 14
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It's alright Boris is going to pump in £2M of already spent and allocated money to pay a consultant who'll decide there's no inequality and that's the end of the matter.
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05/01/2021 12:25:05 0 2
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With Germany recording 4200 deaths from Covid per week over the past month how will there assessment be ?
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05/01/2021 16:04:28 0 0
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When we last had a Labour government, Tony Blair bottled the chance to reform welfare although have had it on his manifesto.
I do wonder how much of the £280bn has been squandered on lucrative contracts secured through special pathways?

Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices.

https://goodlawproject.org/news/special-procurement-channels/
Removed
Why become a Tory MP if you're not going to grease the low lifes who got you there? Removed
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05/01/2021 11:35:08 60 3
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I am shocked how people in their twenties and thirties don’t seem to have the opportunities we had after leaving education. Many good jobs seem to need a further degree or years of experience. So many are locked into lower wage careers.
A higher education doesn’t mean a higher career. We need to stop internships with no or low pay and no guarantee of a job.
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05/01/2021 11:44:58 57 5
bbc
That's the problem with the 50% to have degrees target, now you need a masters to get the same opportunities there were seen prior to the noughties.
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05/01/2021 11:45:30 15 4
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That is the result of the ludicrous obsession with getting a degree, any degree in anything that took off in the B.Liar years. Internships appear to have been imported from the USA, as with so many stupid ideas. This alleged pandemic is a great time to revisit the whole question of education and work.
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05/01/2021 11:56:20 18 2
bbc
The obsession of getting 50% of young people into university means that jobs that only needed good school exam results now need a degree.
Take for example nursing. How many intelligent, caring, practical individuals are put off because they don’t want the expense or have the academic leaning to study for a degree?
An apprenticeship route is needed in this.
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05/01/2021 12:06:12 7 2
bbc
Really, shocked that 13 years of Labour's education policy made most degrees worthless?
They closed physics, maths, chemistry, engineering and computing degrees at an incredible rate, replacing them with business, media and IT (i.e. pie charts, photos and word processing). Add the decline of A-Levels and the need for everyone to pass then suddenly your MSc becomes equivalent to a HND of old.
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RTH
05/01/2021 12:20:25 7 0
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We need to reduce the number of Unis and divert funds into technical and similar professional skills.
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05/01/2021 13:02:18 2 0
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It's the ancient laws of supply and demand. Give half the population a degree, and it will be an essential prerequisite for even pushing a brome for a living.
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05/01/2021 16:15:35 0 0
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another part of the problem is that the majority of new grads have never done a paid day's work in their life. With no demonstrable work ethic it's no surprise they find it difficult to gain employment.
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05/01/2021 19:24:36 0 0
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Perhaps it is to do with the fact that employers no longer value degrees as proof of a persons potential now that course entry requirements, as low as CCC or even D's, have been diminished by years of left leaning policy that decrees anyone can do a degree rather than for what it was originally set up for.
If all applicants have a degree,then to short list, they have to look beyond.
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05/01/2021 11:35:14 27 8
bbc
Can the enquiry also look at the characterises of those people who did not follow the rules - in the supermarket yesterday, two individuals, who were clearly friends although both had trolleys, not wearing masks, not bother how close they got people - what's the point of having rules.
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05/01/2021 11:43:25 12 7
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What has this to do with the subject of this article?
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05/01/2021 11:35:42 37 7
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2 things would help:--

1) Leave people with a living before you start taxing them. Its ridiculous that the personal tax allowance is less than the minimum wage. Would probably be cost effective as less benefits would be needed.

2) Increase the minimum wage as much as possible, without damaging employment.
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xlr
05/01/2021 11:56:42 13 3
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Job security is also a must. No point in doubling people's wages and not taxing them if they spend weeks between contracts or can't get the hours they need every week to get a decent income.

Zero hours needs banned.
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05/01/2021 12:11:03 6 0
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You pay a damn sight more in VAT than you do in income tax.
It's just you don't see it, clever taxation.
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05/01/2021 13:55:18 2 0
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The whole point of tax is we all share the burden & the benefits. When you allow people to draw benefits without contributing in any way, not only do you reward undesirable behaviour you also undermine desirable behaviour & breed resentment which further polarises us. Make benefits proportionate to tax contributions & you incentivise & protect every contributor. Easier said than done of course.
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05/01/2021 11:35:58 56 4
bbc
We need to reach a point where nobody in full-time employment needs state help to survive & where those not working receive sufficient state help that they do not need recourse to charity. What the 'flipping heck' do I pay tax for?
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05/01/2021 11:40:51 14 35
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State help is charity.
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05/01/2021 11:50:02 12 1
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So true, in work benefits are only there because people are not paid a proper wage, and I know of disabled people who for years have not been offered a job due to fit people having a easier time at interviews as employers are biased, (I don't blame them), living off £74 a week disability benefits is not possible in this era.
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05/01/2021 11:54:56 5 3
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Unfortunately Megan the tax you, I and others pay isn't enough, in part because some get their tax back through credits and therefore the number of people paying net tax is too small a group to offset the 'community' who rely on benefits and which is too large for fudging to support realistically. The report points to groups that are classed as disadvantaged but do we really know the causes?
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:17:48 8 3
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Now you pay tax to:

- Support private enterprise contracts the gov are handing out like candy
- Support a high speed train line that brings no benefits
- Pay a third to half of the wage of people in low hour, low income jobs
- Furlough people who are likely going to be sacked the moment lockdown ends
- Build large car parks and employ customs officials that weren't needed before 1 Jan
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05/01/2021 14:39:33 0 1
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the way house prices are with rich people buying up property you need state help
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05/01/2021 15:54:51 0 1
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Few countries achieve this.
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05/01/2021 15:56:14 1 0
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On the whole I agree with you, although there is the danger that some will see it as: "let the rest of 'em work, so I don't have to." and worse it might be true.

Why would someone living on benefits with little prospect or intent to get a job choose to live in the most expensive city in the UK? Because nobody had the sense to give them an incentive to to do otherwise, result - it costs us more!
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05/01/2021 16:07:50 0 0
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Possibly the real question is about how elected officials allocate tax....but these people know that those who really need state support are not a voting block to win elections with......they are casualties of our self serving democracy, disgusting as this is.
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05/01/2021 11:32:10 11 11
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Which other country has a lying buffoon in charge and has imposed economic sanctions on itself in the middle of a pandemic?
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05/01/2021 11:36:11 4 6
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So every other country in Europe (and elsewhere) has exactly the same problems because the UK "has a lying buffoon in charge"?

Thank you for answering my question

PMSL
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05/01/2021 11:36:43 4 12
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We need more discipline.

Bring back national service.

Pay students to study STEM subjects.

More apprentice schemes needed.

Toughen everyone up.
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05/01/2021 11:39:35 9 4
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Yeah, that's the solution... everyone just MAN UP
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05/01/2021 11:41:18 6 2
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I expect you're the type of person to shake someone with depression and bellow "pull yourself together".
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05/01/2021 11:46:55 3 2
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There is always one........
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05/01/2021 11:36:45 5 5
bbc
Stopping people catching Covid is just the beginning. The damage both social, health and financial will take a huge amount of effort. Based on this government's handling of things so far I see no evidence they will be up to the task.
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col
05/01/2021 11:37:05 35 17
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But who has suffered the most?

I know one family on benefits. They are still getting the same as before. they are no worse off for covid.

I know another family, where Mother, Father, Son and Daughter ran the family business. They are facing the probability of losing their jobs, homes and life savings.

This mess effects everyone. It isn't a excuse for a party political from the left.
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05/01/2021 11:38:54 16 16
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You've never had to live on benefits, have you?
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:46:06 4 4
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You can't live off benefits any more. Universal credit doesn't pay enough on its own to pay the bills.

So that first family must all be working to top up their benefits. So, this is good isn't it?
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05/01/2021 11:37:09 8 4
bbc
Talk about a survey that is so not needed right now. Of course the cost of the pandemic is colossal, of course in times of hardship and restriction, the divides between the haves and the have nots become more visible, of course we want to do more for the have nots by asking the haves to pay more. It is these protected people in their protected towers of survey immunity that need dismantling.
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05/01/2021 11:33:00 40 28
bbc
Yeah but we have a Tory government. They will say we are all in this together and then make sure those at the bottom of the pile suffer most by a combination of wage freezes, benefit freezes (cuts?) and reduction in services that the poorest rely on.
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05/01/2021 11:37:11 20 25
bbc
if you actually believe this comment i pity you...
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05/01/2021 11:42:32 13 6
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The comment is very accurate - as long as you're not wearing blinkers. So take yours off.
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05/01/2021 11:42:41 10 4
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It's the template they used during the last recession. I hope I am proved wrong. Of course the other side of the equation is that we must not disincentive the wealthy by raising their taxes.
It's what Tories do and they get the suckers on board by seeing how much racism is required to sell the worst of the tabloid rags and then following suit.
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05/01/2021 11:48:39 11 4
bbc
If you actually believe the first comment, it's because you have looked at the facts, the policies implemented by government, the cronyism and mismanagement of procurement to MPs' friends, etc,

Even old school Tories say the government have now gone too far, and that there's no safety net, or accessible ladders.
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Pip
05/01/2021 12:26:37 1 1
bbc
I can't work out whether you're actually just a troll, as the downvoting would suggest........?
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05/01/2021 11:37:23 24 2
bbc
The main issue we have in tackling inequality is that we see the headlines, but we never seem to get to the exact nitty gritty of what is causing it. We need to know what are the precise reasons why these inequalities exist before we can tackle them in any meaningful long term way. Sure, we can spout on and score cheap party political points but that helps precisely no-one.
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05/01/2021 11:54:09 10 7
bbc
The main issue we have in tackling inequality is that one wing of politics sees inequality as necessary and desirable.
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05/01/2021 14:02:26 0 1
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its just down to the British class system
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05/01/2021 11:32:47 137 44
bbc
The biggest underlying cause is shortage of housing.

The population has increased by 9 million since 2000, without building the homes to house them.

Hence people are paying too much for housing (supply and demand) making them short of money for other things, stuck in multiple occupancy etc.

We need to build houses for those already here, and limit immigration.
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05/01/2021 11:37:46 69 135
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Really, we're still blaming immigration, are we?
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05/01/2021 11:42:26 75 9
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Why not? It is shown statistically that the indigenous population is not breeding even at a "replacement" rate, yet there is this alleged severe shortage of housing. The only logical conclusion is that the demand comes from importing persons from elsewhere. Immigrants do not bring a house with them, you know. What is your reason for the "shortage" if not immigration?
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05/01/2021 11:43:17 60 9
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I mean, most of that 9 mile increase will be driven by immigrants and them having larger families on average than brits, so yeah it does cause massive issues.
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05/01/2021 11:50:17 40 6
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I worry about answers which simply aim to paint, by implication, the commentator as some sort of xeophobic racist.
The birth rate hase been decreasing since the sixties and is accelearing, where does the population growth come from?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2019
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05/01/2021 12:03:25 20 3
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They're not bringing housing in with them & it will only be a small number who already have relatives here that they can move in with. So each individual or family group will require a dwelling. Albeit a few may be able to get together & go into multiple occupancy accommodation, but that's hardly ideal. So yes, limiting population growth, including migration is needed during a housing shortage.
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05/01/2021 12:10:40 9 2
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Yes because that is the problem
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05/01/2021 12:11:27 10 3
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Yes we are blaming immigration for the UK and most of all England being extremely overcrowded David. Even if we all had our own house, it would still be overcrowded. There are too many people here. Immigration should be reduced from a flood to a trickle.
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05/01/2021 12:21:52 8 2
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Yes we are, because in the real world it is a very real issue. A country's first priority is to it's citizens. Problem?
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05/01/2021 12:52:17 5 3
bbc
Well, how do you think the population increased so dramatically, please explain?
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05/01/2021 12:36:40 5 3
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Still in denial are you?
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05/01/2021 13:03:56 6 3
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Yes David. That’s right, the more people that arrive the less there is for the people of these islands.

Did you do basic maths? Or did you just skip to hard left extremism?
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05/01/2021 13:34:55 1 3
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Really David, still pulling that sob tissue from your ‘closed minded’ pocket,are you.
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05/01/2021 11:37:48 2 11
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It's not the pandemic causing inequality, poverty, depression.
It's the Madness of Lockdowns.
And the suffering they're causing globally is incalculable.
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05/01/2021 11:33:39 9 5
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"Launched 18 months ago, the review says Covid-19 worsened existing problems."

Well you clearly didn't read the article

PMSL
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05/01/2021 11:38:02 7 5
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Our issues our worse than many - partly because of successive government's policies and partly due to the impact of Covid.

But of course, you had to bring Brexit into it and have a dull pop at "Comrades" and "Remoaners" like obsessives do.
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05/01/2021 11:40:26 6 3
bbc
So anyone who says anything that you don't like or don't agree with is 'obsessive', are they?

Going for the messenger and not the message, perchance?
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05/01/2021 11:38:28 72 37
bbc
Tax the rich. A lot more. No-one needs billions or hundreds of millions of pounds - it is utterly obscene and testament to a failure of successive governments to control and manage greed.
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05/01/2021 11:41:14 41 46
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Who is going to start all the businesses if we take all the money off people, the goverment?, sounds like a hideous idea..
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pTc
05/01/2021 11:56:12 12 17
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That drives out wealth. Where are you going to gain 40%+ of earning from if you encourage the top earner to move abroad?
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05/01/2021 12:05:28 18 2
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Remember in the 1960’s and 70’s when the rich were taxed to the point that they simply left to live abroad.
That only results in less tax revenue for the country.
Better to tidy up the tax rules. Plug the loopholes. Make it worth them staying here to spend and invest. Get money moving around the economy and let it filter down.
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05/01/2021 12:08:10 8 2
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Quite right the poor will spend what they've got,rich hang on to it.
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05/01/2021 12:12:52 6 7
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Yeah and you wouldnt want to be a millionaire, why should you share your wealth with someone who is bone idle and loves a hand out.
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05/01/2021 12:22:15 4 1
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Define the rich? They are such a small %age of the population, that it would make no difference & by using legal accounting mechanisms avoid it. Also it's this group that start & or invest in new businesses, that provide employment & we are going to need these people, prepared to use their money. So force them out & we lose.
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05/01/2021 13:10:37 2 1
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OK but define rich? Families in parts of the world live on less than $1pd. To them you may well be rich, are you happy to accept their perception? or does Rich = people who earn more than you? & if so how much more? Who is rich & why - if it's an entrepreneur creating jobs / paying tax is that wrong? Musk / Gates are £b's but what is their impact on tech advancements & tax (them + their business)
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05/01/2021 13:23:45 0 1
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What is the matter with you people. This is a spectrum between the very poor and the very rich where most of the population resides, it will be those in the middle that pay while the rich and poor alike both dodge paying their dues and both will over rewarded for their effort, but in different ways.
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05/01/2021 14:01:06 0 0
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Everyone should try to be wealthy as a Rothchild
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05/01/2021 15:57:27 0 0
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Would it were so simple. The richest people will move away, like Branson and Dyson have done already. Also Lewis Hamilton MBE.
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05/01/2021 11:31:51 108 38
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Please can the IFS do another study into the bleeding obvious
What a surprise that those better placed, with more money and better educated do better in hard times
Any new support must be aimed at those who cannot help themselves rather than those who choose not to help themselves or help their families
There is no reason why a parent cannot help a child with their learning - only a lack of will
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05/01/2021 11:38:33 12 6
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There is no reason why a parent cannot help a child with their learning - only a lack of will
What!!! Do you not realise that some people are just not capable of helping their children because of the inadequate childhood they had? In this situation turning your back on these families because the parents aren't 'trying' means the cycle continues. These families need more help not less.
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05/01/2021 12:00:11 17 4
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I'm sure I'll get howled at for saying this, but perhaps the cycle continues because those who, in your words, "are just not capable of helping their children" keep having children which they are incapable of looking after or helping! When is society going to face up to the fact that just because people can procreate, doesn't necessarily mean they should. People need to take responsibility!
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05/01/2021 12:18:17 3 2
bbc
So blame the parents.
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05/01/2021 12:23:04 5 0
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You did not pic up or notice that I said help those who cannot help themselves not those who choose not to.
There is nothing to stop a parent sitting with their child encouraging them to do their school work, even if they themselves cannot help.
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05/01/2021 12:54:02 3 0
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Unfortunately a lot of people have children who really shouldn't, while many sensible couples who would make excellent parents decide not to have children because it would be a bit of a struggle.
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05/01/2021 11:38:37 41 4
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Reform taxation, education and social welfare to actually reflect the needs of the world today. Things take time but change is needed now, tories and labour are both to blame as both have failed the people of this country. It will require a collective effort.
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05/01/2021 11:52:52 19 2
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It's times like this when you realise the jobs that really keep the country turning.

Time they were given greater reward and recognition
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05/01/2021 14:00:23 1 2
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EU really messed up UK. cheap supply of slave labour force
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col
05/01/2021 11:37:05 35 17
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But who has suffered the most?

I know one family on benefits. They are still getting the same as before. they are no worse off for covid.

I know another family, where Mother, Father, Son and Daughter ran the family business. They are facing the probability of losing their jobs, homes and life savings.

This mess effects everyone. It isn't a excuse for a party political from the left.
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05/01/2021 11:38:54 16 16
bbc
You've never had to live on benefits, have you?
Way to ignore the content of a post. Well done.
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05/01/2021 16:05:50 1 1
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Neither have I.

I was always in work, and made sure I could afford what I bought.
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05/01/2021 11:34:30 9 13
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This report is all very one sided, what about the fact that those people out of work had the time to home school, whereas those that worked from home didn't have the time to homeschool... surely it is the better off whose children have missed out the most!
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Vk
05/01/2021 11:39:07 5 2
bbc
I think nurses and other low paid key workers would disagree with you.
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05/01/2021 11:39:15 3 2
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Easy to say, much much harder to do - and will take a generation.

Might be possible if it wasn't for the fact that governments can only realistically look 5 years ahead - from one election to the next. If we really wanted to do this, should we elect a government to rule for 20 years, unopposed?

Radical I know, but flip flopping from left to right is why nothing changes.
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05/01/2021 12:26:07 1 0
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It's been a long time since we had a left wing government and some of us are better off but far too many are struggling. Perhaps viewing tackling inequality as "left wing" is the problem.
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05/01/2021 11:39:28 5 11
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And there is the legacy of this Tory government
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05/01/2021 11:36:43 4 12
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We need more discipline.

Bring back national service.

Pay students to study STEM subjects.

More apprentice schemes needed.

Toughen everyone up.
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05/01/2021 11:39:35 9 4
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Yeah, that's the solution... everyone just MAN UP
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05/01/2021 11:39:38 39 12
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Sane or not.
The biggest underlying cause is shortage of housing.

No, the biggest underlying cause is overpopulation.
This country is brim full and something drastic needs to be done.
Limiting child benefit to the first two children would be a start
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:44:26 3 5
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A rise in council tax for the more expensive homes would also discourage underoccupancy and reduce pressure on housing.

I've never yet seen this argument appear at the same time as reducing immigration. I wonder why?
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05/01/2021 13:49:45 0 0
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it is!
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05/01/2021 14:25:29 1 0
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Why not stop child benefit altogether and increase wages by an equivalent amount to offset. Let people have the rights and responsibility of their lifestyle choices. It worked well with Covid!
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CG
05/01/2021 11:40:26 17 6
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Not much hardship on display on new year's eve as people round here sent up 1000s of pounds in smoke with fireworks.
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05/01/2021 11:57:24 1 2
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Where's 'round here'?
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05/01/2021 11:38:02 7 5
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Our issues our worse than many - partly because of successive government's policies and partly due to the impact of Covid.

But of course, you had to bring Brexit into it and have a dull pop at "Comrades" and "Remoaners" like obsessives do.
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05/01/2021 11:40:26 6 3
bbc
So anyone who says anything that you don't like or don't agree with is 'obsessive', are they?

Going for the messenger and not the message, perchance?
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05/01/2021 11:44:31 1 4
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"Going for the messenger and not the message, perchance?" says the poster whose opening gambit was a whine about "Comrades" and "Remoaners".

You're not encumbered by self-awareness, that's for sure.
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05/01/2021 11:33:06 9 13
bbc
Sounds like socialist claptrap to me. No wonder the BBC have hailed it as some sort of news.
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05/01/2021 11:44:57 2 2
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Looking after people whose lives have been ruined by government policy is socialist claptrap is it? Strange.
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05/01/2021 11:45:25 1 2
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As opposed to 'step all over your fellow human being' capitalism yeah?
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05/01/2021 12:00:39 1 0
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We need a few more people who no one ever voted for on TV, quick form a Think Tank and stop writing comments here and go large on main stream media.
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05/01/2021 12:39:28 1 0
bbc
Isn't "axing the telly tax" wanting "free stuff" or is there a more sinister agenda?
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05/01/2021 11:30:01 29 26
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Is this 'The Tories' fault, Comrades?

Or is it caused by Brexit, Remoaners?

And if so then why does every other country in Europe (and elsewhere) have exactly the same issues?
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05/01/2021 11:40:30 3 2
bbc
Covid is the problem, Government is responsible for the response to the problem of Covid, do I think that response has been correct and done in a timely fashion, I am sure there are experts who will give an opinion eventually, what has been noticeable is that our government has repeatedly had to make u turns, only when we have Covids measure will we really know the cost to the UK lives
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05/01/2021 11:34:00 10 12
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Socialists are fast turning into old style Stalinist communists with obsession with state control .
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05/01/2021 11:43:08 6 2
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At least you acknowledge there is a difference between socialism and communism. That's progress at least!
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05/01/2021 11:54:17 1 1
bbc
I absolutely agree. Never thought I'd see a Conservative government with such an obsession with state control - it's the most communist regime in British living memory.
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05/01/2021 11:34:06 8 4
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This has to be the final lockdown. We've the vaccine now, the kitchen sink needs to be thrown at getting that distributed. We won't understand the effects of pausing society and much of the economy for years to come.

Lockdowns are a profoundly unequal thing. It is true they favour those with big houses who can work from home and push the risk onto those who can't (often in lower paid jobs).
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Vk
05/01/2021 11:44:52 2 5
bbc
Not enough people will be vaccinated for many months. Agree lockdowns need to come with financial support (Basic Income would be a good idea)
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05/01/2021 11:50:50 0 2
bbc
I wonder how this can work. If both parents work from home and the children are home learning, where does the money come from to pay for enough computers and broadband. This is just consolidating poverty in many households.
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05/01/2021 11:40:33 5 2
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This is important research conducted by a respected institution. However, I wonder if the timing could have been better. Already, the government are extolling the virtues of their actions during the pandemic which do not amount to the magnitude of permanent change required in the economic structure of the UK if we are to tackle inequality. We will need to revisit this report post pandemic.
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05/01/2021 11:40:40 29 7
bbc
The important thing is that anyone who works full-time, including those in lower paid jobs should be able to buy a small house (including a single person), and live reasonably comfortably.

Its less important that a few rich people have masses more, even though I'm uncomfortable that some people are paid more in a week than others in a year.
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05/01/2021 11:45:57 16 14
bbc
Why uncomfortable? I started my company with about a thousand quid after I finished uni. The company has over 300 employees. It turns out I do make what you'd be uncomfortable with. Live with it.
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05/01/2021 11:46:19 8 9
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Why should you be able to afford a small house on a minimum wage job? Surely for one person a one bed flat should be enough... If life is too easy who is going to be motivated to do the harder more stressful jobs...
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05/01/2021 11:57:10 4 0
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You are partially correct, people should be able to afford a home on the lower end of the wage scale but and i mean no disrespect to anyone if you want to pay say a cleaner 50K a year, then the office secretary will want a pro rata increase.
costs will rise to take account of the disposable income of the majority leaving the cleaner on 50k struggling again.
its a vicious cycle,
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:23:26 0 0
bbc
Why would you want people on lower paid to own their own home? They wouldn't be able to pay to maintain it. People on lower paid jobs have almost no disposable income at all.

Come to Lanarkshire and see whole estates where people used right-to-buy to purchase homes, then they were left to become decrepit because their incomes or pensions were insufficient to actually repair and repaint them.
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05/01/2021 11:41:12 7 5
bbc
All cases of corona virus now are directly connecting to people going on holiday abroad and open borders while corona virus was ravaging the would .

hope you are pleased with yourselves
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05/01/2021 11:43:16 1 5
bbc
Very.
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05/01/2021 11:52:45 0 1
bbc
So we blame the Kent populace (where the new variant sprang from) for going to Spain then? You need to read a bit more.
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05/01/2021 11:32:02 103 34
bbc
Nothing will change. The rich will get rich, the poor will stay poor, and those on benefits as a result of all this will be frozen out and forced into poverty worse than they are now.
To change you have to change society thinking, I see no sign of that on the horizon.
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05/01/2021 11:41:13 41 16
bbc
And lockdowns are accelerating this process massively
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05/01/2021 11:38:28 72 37
bbc
Tax the rich. A lot more. No-one needs billions or hundreds of millions of pounds - it is utterly obscene and testament to a failure of successive governments to control and manage greed.
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05/01/2021 11:41:14 41 46
bbc
Who is going to start all the businesses if we take all the money off people, the goverment?, sounds like a hideous idea..
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05/01/2021 11:44:56 18 10
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Yeah, lets make the poor pay for this awful mess. The rich are such precious darlings that we must not take any of their money otherwise they might cry!
Sorry, the middle class are now "rich"?

The real reason we don't tax the rich properly is because the scum will just offshore their capital or move to a country that won't tax them.
Removed
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05/01/2021 11:36:43 4 12
bbc
We need more discipline.

Bring back national service.

Pay students to study STEM subjects.

More apprentice schemes needed.

Toughen everyone up.
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05/01/2021 11:41:18 6 2
bbc
I expect you're the type of person to shake someone with depression and bellow "pull yourself together".
Removed
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Vk
05/01/2021 11:42:06 6 4
bbc
Unless I missed it, no mention of the inequality (financial and otherwise) that comes with being disabled.
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05/01/2021 11:31:34 20 27
bbc
And yet we can guarantee that this shameful excuse for a government will continue to ignore all of the inequalities it has presided over for the last decade. One hundred thousand dead, the economy in ruins, millions of lives destroyed and zero ministerial resignations. Treasonous.
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05/01/2021 11:42:14 6 3
bbc
Where do you dream up the "One hundred thousand dead" from? Look at the deaths 2020 compared to other years.
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05/01/2021 12:05:19 0 2
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ONS reports deaths attributed to covid-19 and this figure will hit 100,000 within a fortnight. Excess deaths in 2020 hit 80,000, well above the 5 year average. The government's total failure to control the pandemic is responsible for these deaths.
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05/01/2021 11:37:46 69 135
bbc
Really, we're still blaming immigration, are we?
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05/01/2021 11:42:26 75 9
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Why not? It is shown statistically that the indigenous population is not breeding even at a "replacement" rate, yet there is this alleged severe shortage of housing. The only logical conclusion is that the demand comes from importing persons from elsewhere. Immigrants do not bring a house with them, you know. What is your reason for the "shortage" if not immigration?
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05/01/2021 11:53:48 17 34
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The population of the Netherlands is per/m higher than that of the UK or England yet do not suffer the same housing shortage while living under the same immigration laws of the EU. Why? Better Government planning and oversight, successive UK Govs have ignored the problem and then just blamed someone else, immigration is an issue, but not the main one.
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05/01/2021 13:30:20 1 0
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05/01/2021 11:37:11 20 25
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if you actually believe this comment i pity you...
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05/01/2021 11:42:32 13 6
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The comment is very accurate - as long as you're not wearing blinkers. So take yours off.
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05/01/2021 11:42:35 19 18
bbc
The inequalities in UK have been largely driven by decades of tory government policies which favour privileged & wealthy while screwing less well off, they only continue in govt due to way they constantly scapegoat others (such as the EU) for problems they have created, the privilege is shown nowhere better than current shambolic govt being like contenders on The Apprentice, all talk no competence
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05/01/2021 11:48:07 7 7
bbc
You are aware there was a Labour Government between 1997 and 2001??
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05/01/2021 11:49:32 2 1
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And do you really think that the years of labour rule changed anything. Labours answer is to throw taxpayers cash at every Tom Dick and Harry which unfortunately keeps them enslaved to the benefits system.
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05/01/2021 11:57:12 2 1
bbc
The problems with inequalities are down to the individuals. Have a child before you can even feed them, what has that got to do with anyone but you? Muck around at school, leave without qualifications, maybe even a criminal record, what has that got to do with anyone but you?
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05/01/2021 11:38:54 16 16
bbc
You've never had to live on benefits, have you?
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05/01/2021 11:42:37 7 6
bbc
Way to ignore the content of a post. Well done.
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05/01/2021 11:51:06 5 7
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What, that you demonize the family on benefits while lamenting about someone you know having a hard time (one family among tens of thousands now, btw)?
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05/01/2021 11:37:11 20 25
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if you actually believe this comment i pity you...
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05/01/2021 11:42:41 10 4
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It's the template they used during the last recession. I hope I am proved wrong. Of course the other side of the equation is that we must not disincentive the wealthy by raising their taxes.
It's what Tories do and they get the suckers on board by seeing how much racism is required to sell the worst of the tabloid rags and then following suit.
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05/01/2021 11:34:00 10 12
bbc
Socialists are fast turning into old style Stalinist communists with obsession with state control .
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05/01/2021 11:43:08 6 2
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At least you acknowledge there is a difference between socialism and communism. That's progress at least!
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05/01/2021 11:41:12 7 5
bbc
All cases of corona virus now are directly connecting to people going on holiday abroad and open borders while corona virus was ravaging the would .

hope you are pleased with yourselves
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05/01/2021 11:43:16 1 5
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Very.
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05/01/2021 11:37:46 69 135
bbc
Really, we're still blaming immigration, are we?
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05/01/2021 11:43:17 60 9
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I mean, most of that 9 mile increase will be driven by immigrants and them having larger families on average than brits, so yeah it does cause massive issues.
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05/01/2021 13:13:35 3 2
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Over 50% of the population increase was down to an ageing population.
Simple thing, if 1M people are born each year, and average life expectancy is 65 the population would be 65M, if life expectancy goes up to 75 then population will increase to 75M
Life expectancy in the 70's was low 70's, now it is low 80's

That is the biggest driver for population increase.
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05/01/2021 11:35:14 27 8
bbc
Can the enquiry also look at the characterises of those people who did not follow the rules - in the supermarket yesterday, two individuals, who were clearly friends although both had trolleys, not wearing masks, not bother how close they got people - what's the point of having rules.
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05/01/2021 11:43:25 12 7
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What has this to do with the subject of this article?
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05/01/2021 12:10:16 2 0
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Education & how different people interact with each other within their circles.
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05/01/2021 11:43:52 5 4
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I quite envy Sir Angus - sauntering from conference to assemblies to forums lingering in the liggers hospitality area whilst wearing a bow tie. There's a guy who really knows his inner city deprivations. The article did not once mention a key driver of poverty - too many children. Post Covid we should retain the guidance "keep 2 metres apart"!
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rl
05/01/2021 11:43:58 0 3
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Lockdowns are the biggest engines of inequality. Whilst I appreciate it might be necessary currently, we should not forget that.
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05/01/2021 11:44:00 14 13
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Nothing to see here. Another lefty think tank report

Move along now
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05/01/2021 11:50:53 2 6
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A big yawn just for you.
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05/01/2021 11:51:52 1 3
bbc
Straight over your head as usual.

Move along now.
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05/01/2021 11:44:02 46 4
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The first Lockdown taught me that the only people that benefit from arduous times like these are the rich and corporations. Therefore since last April I've done my best to purchase everything from local or small independent traders. The general public need to remember that the power they hold if we change our buying behaviour is phenomenal.
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05/01/2021 14:11:13 5 8
bbc
Ending the lockdown madness is the best way to help the working classes. Lockdowns don't work for cold viruses. They are based on voodoo science and only destroy society, culture and commerce. Not the virus.
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05/01/2021 11:44:04 14 9
bbc
"Children from poorer households found it harder to do schoolwork" - Being schooled in the 70s and 80s I saw real poverty and poor people, but we were happy and content, many of the poorest worked and studied very hard and are now very successful and wealthy. In todays society, the poorest are not poor as they get generous handouts, so where is the ambition for these kids to better themselves?
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05/01/2021 11:46:31 4 3
bbc
The world has moved on and so has the way that school work is meant to be done.

Poor kids when we were at school had no access to books or pens, so they did not have it easy either and most did not become successful, quite usually the opposite.
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05/01/2021 11:33:09 126 59
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Last night's farce shows that the government has no understanding of how their actions impact the lives of UK citizens. Send kids to school to mix for one day after a two week break, then lock them down with no notice and schools are scrabbling around to sort everything?!?

The government has little clue about the reasons for inequalities, nor any desire to truly address them.
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05/01/2021 11:44:07 95 84
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Endless lazy moaning for moaning sake.

All from people who they themselves would not have even the slightest ability or comprehension on how to organise and co-ordinate such a novel national response.
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05/01/2021 11:52:13 30 8
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Feel free to assist anytime then
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05/01/2021 11:55:55 7 31
bbc
Frankly, I'd let the disease rip through society, that's how population dynamics work, resources of whatever sort become scarce then the population crashes to a sustainable one.
It's already showed that most jobs are not needed and I think the teaching unions are showing that schools as they want and know them will not be needed in the future - 1 teacher can send work for hundreds of children.
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05/01/2021 12:00:40 24 6
bbc
Yes, how could they possibly organise such a novel response...well the republic of Ireland and Scotland both managed to notify that there would be a lockdown after the Christmas break in light of the sharp rises.

Schools said they need to prepare before the break for remote teaching, instead the tories forced them to prepare for mass testing, now not needed after one day.

Total incompetence.
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05/01/2021 12:04:31 12 2
bbc
Ok. Let me try. Most companies have been closed for nearly 2 weeks over Christmas. Pubs, restaurants and bars have been closed too. Schools were also closed for the holidays.
The government should have used that time to implement a lock down. Give people 2 weeks notice to plan and get supplies. Stay at home and bring the R rate down. Reassess in the new year.
What is wrong with that idea?
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05/01/2021 12:14:00 5 4
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It's truly disappointing you expect so little delivery from the UK government; it seems you are a lazy tory troll defending the indenfensible performance of a carp gov.
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05/01/2021 12:23:21 3 4
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Are you a tax cheat by any chance?
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05/01/2021 12:24:21 2 1
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Impressed that your comment has equal votes. Not easy to get posts here past the loony left or the conspiracy theory anti vaxxers. Of course none of the posters on here could do any better than our government. Even Sir Keir said on radio 4 this morning that he was totally behind the Government, and that we need a united approach, not petty point scoring.
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05/01/2021 11:35:58 56 4
bbc
We need to reach a point where nobody in full-time employment needs state help to survive & where those not working receive sufficient state help that they do not need recourse to charity. What the 'flipping heck' do I pay tax for?
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05/01/2021 11:40:51 14 35
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State help is charity.
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05/01/2021 11:48:16 12 2
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It isn't
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05/01/2021 11:50:05 9 1
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No it isn't. Buy a dictionary.
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05/01/2021 11:53:01 12 2
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State help is not charity. It is a subsidy to protect the profits of the rich by shoring up underpaid workers through general taxation.
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05/01/2021 11:32:47 137 44
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The biggest underlying cause is shortage of housing.

The population has increased by 9 million since 2000, without building the homes to house them.

Hence people are paying too much for housing (supply and demand) making them short of money for other things, stuck in multiple occupancy etc.

We need to build houses for those already here, and limit immigration.
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05/01/2021 11:44:09 29 8
bbc
Housebuilders sit on sites and develop them slowly as they know the value of the land is going up all the time. Housebuilders should either build on the land, or have to sell it at the value they bought it at
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05/01/2021 12:18:28 1 3
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Why?
They have responsibilities to their staff, shareholders and creditors to act responsibly. Maximising the value of their land bank is entirely rational and appropriate. Being forced to build at a loss or sell land at a loss smacks of communism and State control. Oh wait, now I see where you're coming from
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05/01/2021 11:40:26 6 3
bbc
So anyone who says anything that you don't like or don't agree with is 'obsessive', are they?

Going for the messenger and not the message, perchance?
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05/01/2021 11:44:31 1 4
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"Going for the messenger and not the message, perchance?" says the poster whose opening gambit was a whine about "Comrades" and "Remoaners".

You're not encumbered by self-awareness, that's for sure.
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05/01/2021 11:59:02 1 3
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"You're not encumbered by self-awareness, that's for sure."

Thank you for proving my point that everytime anyone says anything that you don't like or don't agree with then you go for the messenger and not the message

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I do wonder how much of the £280bn has been squandered on lucrative contracts secured through special pathways?

Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices.

https://goodlawproject.org/news/special-procurement-channels/
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Why become a Tory MP if you're not going to grease the low lifes who got you there? Removed
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05/01/2021 12:28:26 0 1
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And Labour are different I suppose
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05/01/2021 11:34:06 8 4
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This has to be the final lockdown. We've the vaccine now, the kitchen sink needs to be thrown at getting that distributed. We won't understand the effects of pausing society and much of the economy for years to come.

Lockdowns are a profoundly unequal thing. It is true they favour those with big houses who can work from home and push the risk onto those who can't (often in lower paid jobs).
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Vk
05/01/2021 11:44:52 2 5
bbc
Not enough people will be vaccinated for many months. Agree lockdowns need to come with financial support (Basic Income would be a good idea)
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05/01/2021 11:44:56 3 3
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Don't know how much they were paid for this extensive review, but if it was over a grand, they paid too much. Talk about stating the obvious.
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05/01/2021 11:41:14 41 46
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Who is going to start all the businesses if we take all the money off people, the goverment?, sounds like a hideous idea..
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05/01/2021 11:44:56 18 10
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Yeah, lets make the poor pay for this awful mess. The rich are such precious darlings that we must not take any of their money otherwise they might cry!
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05/01/2021 11:49:59 8 13
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The poor won't pay it will be the middle, tax payers and the rich...
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05/01/2021 11:33:06 9 13
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Sounds like socialist claptrap to me. No wonder the BBC have hailed it as some sort of news.
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05/01/2021 11:44:57 2 2
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Looking after people whose lives have been ruined by government policy is socialist claptrap is it? Strange.
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05/01/2021 11:35:08 60 3
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I am shocked how people in their twenties and thirties don’t seem to have the opportunities we had after leaving education. Many good jobs seem to need a further degree or years of experience. So many are locked into lower wage careers.
A higher education doesn’t mean a higher career. We need to stop internships with no or low pay and no guarantee of a job.
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05/01/2021 11:44:58 57 5
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That's the problem with the 50% to have degrees target, now you need a masters to get the same opportunities there were seen prior to the noughties.
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RTH
05/01/2021 12:21:40 3 0
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David Goodhart's book 'Head, Hands, Heart' gives quite an indictment of our education system using facts, not emotion. Well worth reading.
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05/01/2021 11:41:59 6 6
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Capitalism is plunging most of us headlong towards slavery. For the last 40 years it has utterly failed, we need to take a long hard look at what went wrong and reverse it.
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05/01/2021 11:49:01 6 3
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Name a successful socialist country.
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05/01/2021 11:43:37 5 7
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Another positive article form the BBC.
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05/01/2021 11:33:06 9 13
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Sounds like socialist claptrap to me. No wonder the BBC have hailed it as some sort of news.
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05/01/2021 11:45:25 1 2
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As opposed to 'step all over your fellow human being' capitalism yeah?
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05/01/2021 11:52:48 1 2
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Well, I call it 'going out to work', but each to their own, I suppose.
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05/01/2021 11:35:08 60 3
bbc
I am shocked how people in their twenties and thirties don’t seem to have the opportunities we had after leaving education. Many good jobs seem to need a further degree or years of experience. So many are locked into lower wage careers.
A higher education doesn’t mean a higher career. We need to stop internships with no or low pay and no guarantee of a job.
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05/01/2021 11:45:30 15 4
bbc
That is the result of the ludicrous obsession with getting a degree, any degree in anything that took off in the B.Liar years. Internships appear to have been imported from the USA, as with so many stupid ideas. This alleged pandemic is a great time to revisit the whole question of education and work.
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xlr
05/01/2021 11:55:18 7 5
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No, it's not just Blair. Degrees became a global requirement for many jobs in the 00s.

You can tell companies all you like that kids here don't have degrees and will work just as hard. They will listen carefully, weigh up their options, and open up in another country where they can get graduates.
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05/01/2021 11:45:42 6 9
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People had a proper chance with Labour at the last election to change things , but rejected it massively. Starmer is a Blairite, so that's that folks
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05/01/2021 14:28:41 0 0
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Yes, but not for the better, not all change is good, unless you're in marketing or a management consultant.
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05/01/2021 11:45:52 108 13
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well, if you want to treat everybody equal then I would suggest stop putting people into categories based on their age, sex, gender, ethnicity, race, religious beliefs.....

We're all human, i'll treat you like a human and you can treat me like a human.
I get no special treatment because of my race and you'll get no special treatment because of your gender.
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05/01/2021 11:54:14 22 65
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Bilbo, so why do so many groups treat people differently. Even BLM only wants everyone regardless of skin colour to tbe treated the same, They don't want special treatment for anyone.
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05/01/2021 12:00:21 13 2
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Absolutely. best comment I've seen today.
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:15:42 6 9
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But you will get special treatment if you've had a secure job for years. Don't believe me? Go ask the bank about a mortgage if you haven't had a job contract that lasted more than a year.

And those secure, better paid jobs only seem open to those who came from "certain schools".

"Special treatment" is pretty much how UK society works, and it has nothing to do with race.
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Ben
05/01/2021 12:51:48 2 5
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My answer to that is people were already being put into categories by racist, sexist etc attitudes. For instance, it's only as recently as within the last 20 years that the majority of UK citizens supported homosexuality. We wouldn't even know these facts and figures if we didn't study prejudice along these same categories.
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05/01/2021 12:56:05 1 3
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I understand the sentiment but if we didn't use categories how could we recognise key facts e.g. age is a determinant of Covid risk and knowing this we can prioritize vaccination to the elderly. This will save lives. So I think your point is too simplistic and doesn't recognise the wider value of categorisation to help us understand and tackle diseases / in-equality.
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05/01/2021 14:18:57 0 0
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everyones got bills to pay regardless of background
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05/01/2021 14:22:47 1 2
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Evidence counters the claims from the far right that the problem is due to immigration:

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis

Stats show that people are discriminated against based on their differences.

It would be ever so nice if the world worked like the one you describe but, & I suspect you know it, it never has & is unlikely to
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05/01/2021 14:37:20 0 0
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Why do people always, but always fall for these pleb v pleb deflection arguments? Nearly all wealth is produced by the masses, but nearly all kept by the rich. They can only utilise a very tiny fraction of that wealth, the rest is there for bragging rights!

They pay around 1% tax based on wealth (forget income tax, it's a con). It's an immoral, illogical & inefficient system!
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05/01/2021 11:40:40 29 7
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The important thing is that anyone who works full-time, including those in lower paid jobs should be able to buy a small house (including a single person), and live reasonably comfortably.

Its less important that a few rich people have masses more, even though I'm uncomfortable that some people are paid more in a week than others in a year.
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05/01/2021 11:45:57 16 14
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Why uncomfortable? I started my company with about a thousand quid after I finished uni. The company has over 300 employees. It turns out I do make what you'd be uncomfortable with. Live with it.
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xlr
05/01/2021 12:08:21 1 2
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Looks like it has at least one employee who isn't pulling his weight for the wage he receives. I'd do something about that.
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05/01/2021 12:19:08 5 0
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Congratulations!

Given you employ 300 people I agree you are definately an asset to our country.

I assume you also contribute a lot in tax, enough to employ a few nurses and teachers etc.

Even better if you export stuff!
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Pip
05/01/2021 12:28:45 4 3
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Bet you're fun to work for, not.............?
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05/01/2021 12:38:05 2 2
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If you have done this without exploiting either your customers, employees or the environment, I applaud you. A few exceptional people do get rich without exploiting someone or something. Most need their own effort and some exploitation or dishonesty.
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05/01/2021 11:32:02 103 34
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Nothing will change. The rich will get rich, the poor will stay poor, and those on benefits as a result of all this will be frozen out and forced into poverty worse than they are now.
To change you have to change society thinking, I see no sign of that on the horizon.
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05/01/2021 11:46:11 16 3
bbc
And yet with strength of character, self discipline and drive some people make their own opportunities. They escape the world of their parents.

I believe that with considerable wealth comes responsibly. Some rich people are greedy but some try to make a difference.

It is not a simple issue of all poor people are good and all the rich are bad. That is just the politics of envy.
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05/01/2021 12:19:22 5 2
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And not all poor people are lazy, and not all rich people have worked hard for what they have.
Demonising the poor and calling any action to 'level up' society by taxing the rich (who have the money) 'the politics of envy' is conversely just the politics of greed.

The very term 'politics of envy' is one dreamed up by the greedy to demonise anyone who questions their right to be greedy.
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05/01/2021 11:46:11 7 7
bbc
Don’t buy the inequality argument. You don’t need a laptop, just printed work (that schools will provide if asked) and a willing parent

Let’s face it, it’s way easier to subdue a child with an iPhone or Xbox than do school work and this is the default route for many, regardless of income

Where wealth is a factor is access to garden space, but given its January this doesn’t make much difference
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05/01/2021 11:46:14 9 6
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Everybody should have equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome, if its opportunity of outcome we all might as well stay in bed every day and do nothing. There seem to be a growing trend that the government is responsible for everything with nobody having self responsibility. If we allow this to continue the state will control all of our lives and actions
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pTc
05/01/2021 11:48:14 5 6
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We do have that, free schooling up to 18, public libraries, the endless internet small grants for viable business opportunities, loans for university education. People just choose to sit at home and do nothing with their lives.
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05/01/2021 11:40:40 29 7
bbc
The important thing is that anyone who works full-time, including those in lower paid jobs should be able to buy a small house (including a single person), and live reasonably comfortably.

Its less important that a few rich people have masses more, even though I'm uncomfortable that some people are paid more in a week than others in a year.
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05/01/2021 11:46:19 8 9
bbc
Why should you be able to afford a small house on a minimum wage job? Surely for one person a one bed flat should be enough... If life is too easy who is going to be motivated to do the harder more stressful jobs...
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05/01/2021 13:50:01 0 0
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Itsobvious what itsobvious means by their comment. A very jealously natured person hides behind an obviously itsobvious person It’s obvious that itsobvious would be jealous of a duck sitting alone in a dry pond because duck doesn’t need all the space to die...so shove duck head first in a dry puddle...let duck perish either way.
501
05/01/2021 13:59:29 1 0
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People want to be the first to climb a mountain, it's more than just money.
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05/01/2021 11:45:00 13 10
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Another divisive piece from the BBC, to satisfy its anti-Tory, pro-EU, anti-Brexit faithful. Let the dirt-dishing commence.
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05/01/2021 11:49:41 4 7
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Zzzzzzzzzzz. Change the record.
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05/01/2021 12:29:45 1 1
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Another forelock-tugger outraged that the drivel he reads in the Express is indeed drivel.
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05/01/2021 11:45:13 14 12
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The BBC could stop avoiding national insurance on their serviced-company employees. That might help.
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05/01/2021 11:52:16 5 5
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ah troll or Times employee. And irrelevant and not up to date either. And so specificically targeted
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05/01/2021 11:44:04 14 9
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"Children from poorer households found it harder to do schoolwork" - Being schooled in the 70s and 80s I saw real poverty and poor people, but we were happy and content, many of the poorest worked and studied very hard and are now very successful and wealthy. In todays society, the poorest are not poor as they get generous handouts, so where is the ambition for these kids to better themselves?
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05/01/2021 11:46:31 4 3
bbc
The world has moved on and so has the way that school work is meant to be done.

Poor kids when we were at school had no access to books or pens, so they did not have it easy either and most did not become successful, quite usually the opposite.
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05/01/2021 14:20:23 1 0
bbc
I don't know where or when you were at school, in the 60s & 70s books, pens & paper were provided. Admittedly they were cheap ballpoints, so rather like a very basic mobile phone; if you wanted a fountain pen, you had to pay for it yourself. I guess that must mean very few people have iPhones, I wonder how Apple have been so successful. People today prioritise what the want over what they need.
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05/01/2021 11:46:34 14 6
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Unfortunately this is clear everywhere. Those who can afford tutors and resources have kids on target or ahead, those without are at least a year behind now.

One side of town moan about learning the clarinet or a foreign language during lockdown, the other half don’t have food on the table.
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05/01/2021 11:46:46 26 2
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Greed is behind a lot, how was it possible that, to my knowledge, at least a third of counsel housing was sold and many families could not afford the higher rent.
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05/01/2021 16:25:39 3 1
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I live in Stevenage. Council properties were at 33,000 in 1980. Now it's 8,000.
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05/01/2021 11:36:43 4 12
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We need more discipline.

Bring back national service.

Pay students to study STEM subjects.

More apprentice schemes needed.

Toughen everyone up.
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05/01/2021 11:46:55 3 2
bbc
There is always one........
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05/01/2021 11:32:47 137 44
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The biggest underlying cause is shortage of housing.

The population has increased by 9 million since 2000, without building the homes to house them.

Hence people are paying too much for housing (supply and demand) making them short of money for other things, stuck in multiple occupancy etc.

We need to build houses for those already here, and limit immigration.
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05/01/2021 11:47:38 38 7
bbc
I read a great book on this - Home Truths by Liam Halligan.

One of the biggest drivers is developers holding on to vast tracts of land with planning permission but only drip feeding the market, creating an artificial scarcity.

I think Labour proposed a 'use it or lose it' law prior to the election. It was a good idea.
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05/01/2021 12:01:53 8 4
bbc
Labour also drove that drip feed though.
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05/01/2021 12:12:31 2 1
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I thought Labour were going to plant 2 billion trees on that land?
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05/01/2021 11:32:02 103 34
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Nothing will change. The rich will get rich, the poor will stay poor, and those on benefits as a result of all this will be frozen out and forced into poverty worse than they are now.
To change you have to change society thinking, I see no sign of that on the horizon.
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DSA
05/01/2021 11:48:03 7 12
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This sounds like you are an idle moaner on benefits expecting everything for nothing.

Most of those who are successful have got off their backsides and worked hard for their money, give it a try you might surprise yourself. I did and from having nothing now own a sucessful small business.
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05/01/2021 12:29:04 6 0
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Not true.
90% of the wealth of the UK will be inherited by under 50% of the population, and that gets worse as you go up the ladder.
At the top the rich inherit most of the money and for those ordinary people the odds are heavily against you.
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05/01/2021 13:44:29 2 0
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and there lies the problem 'their money'.
The persuit of wealth is the worst kind of greed. Money is a drug as addictive as Crack and as people get consumed by it it is the 'their money' statement rather than the money of all those that have strived to put it in their pockets have acually made and should be equally distributed to them which is the issue
Case in hand Philip Green, need I say more
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05/01/2021 11:42:35 19 18
bbc
The inequalities in UK have been largely driven by decades of tory government policies which favour privileged & wealthy while screwing less well off, they only continue in govt due to way they constantly scapegoat others (such as the EU) for problems they have created, the privilege is shown nowhere better than current shambolic govt being like contenders on The Apprentice, all talk no competence
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05/01/2021 11:48:07 7 7
bbc
You are aware there was a Labour Government between 1997 and 2001??
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05/01/2021 11:50:57 2 2
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Are you aware that there was also a Labour govt between 2001-2010?