Williamson scores 238 as NZ take charge
05/01/2021 | sport | cricket | 207
New Zealand captain Kane Williamson hits his fourth Test double century as his side take charge of the second Test against Pakistan.
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05/01/2021 08:24:05 38 1
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Well cannot deny he is in the Form of his life enjoying Cricket, scoring runs and being a Captain too getting winning Results.

Plus being supported well by his Team Mates.
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05/01/2021 08:24:22 125 1
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Quietly goes about his job without half the plaudits of Kohli or Smith
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05/01/2021 14:30:42 39 2
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with half the ego too. A true gentleman.
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05/01/2021 20:26:27 5 0
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Classy team, they play the game in the right spirit and have done for a while, our players can learn a lot from them
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05/01/2021 20:36:30 1 5
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That’s cause he’s half the player Smith and Kohli are. Sort of makes sense doesn’t it.
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05/01/2021 08:26:41 68 2
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Strange how one of the leading test nations gets such scant coverage. Seems a lot of people don’t take the quality of this team seriously, thinking NZ has the All Blacks and not much else.
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05/01/2021 08:32:13 14 3
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That's people's sports perception though .... Ask a person on Countries and ask them about what Sports they relate too and be the obvious Main sport as you mention Rugby for NZ.

NZ proved it in the WC just getting results and many not thinking they would do it.

Yes like any other country have their ups and downs plus have the shadow of being close to the Aussies.
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05/01/2021 10:27:42 3 4
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They are a very good team but I would imagine that the people are like Canadians who in Vancouver won 14 Gold Medals but if offered choice of 13 with no Ice Hockey or just the Ice Hockey with no others would want only 1 gold.

NZ equivalent is Rugby World Cup.
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05/01/2021 14:38:25 2 0
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and sailing
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05/01/2021 17:19:53 1 0
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You are probably right - but is it any different in other countries? You only have to listen to commentary from the likes of SA, Oz and NZ to realise that their media are fans with keyboards - unlike the build them up to knock them down approach in the UK.
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05/01/2021 08:26:41 68 2
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Strange how one of the leading test nations gets such scant coverage. Seems a lot of people don’t take the quality of this team seriously, thinking NZ has the All Blacks and not much else.
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05/01/2021 08:32:13 14 3
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That's people's sports perception though .... Ask a person on Countries and ask them about what Sports they relate too and be the obvious Main sport as you mention Rugby for NZ.

NZ proved it in the WC just getting results and many not thinking they would do it.

Yes like any other country have their ups and downs plus have the shadow of being close to the Aussies.
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05/01/2021 09:22:52 8 2
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They don’t play enough test cricket Dunc. Only ever play 2 or 3 test series. That should change.

And good morning to you sir...
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05/01/2021 08:48:04 25 1
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top batsman. top bloke. well done Kane.
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05/01/2021 08:50:24 17 1
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Easily one of the best batsmen ever!
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05/01/2021 08:52:06 9 1
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Run machine
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05/01/2021 08:54:20 35 2
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Watching last night, Williamson plays so late which is a skill that seems to have disappeared a bit, and really helps him combat a swinging ball better than most. They showed a graphic in the opening session last night where his first couple of thousand runs took 60 odd innings. Prompting curiosity, I've statsguru'd and he's averaged in excess of 65 since 2013. Phenomenal figures.
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05/01/2021 09:01:40 43 1
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A real patience to his (& Nichols) batting which seems to be missing from most test batsmen these days. Class act.. Lets hope we see NZ at Lords this summer (if allowed)
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05/01/2021 15:46:42 7 0
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Kyle Jamieson looks like a serious class act. I shall be watching with great interest.
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05/01/2021 09:02:27 41 2
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Some of his stroke play is amazing. He deserves all the plaudits because he's such a humble, down to earth bloke as well. He's always quick to deflect the honours to his team mates. So no fuss, no palaver, no gamesmanship just goes about his business and leads from the front. Has some pretty handy team mates as well.
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05/01/2021 09:03:28 27 1
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Williamson one of the good guys of cricket and deservedly best batsman in the world. His NZ team are becoming unbeatable at home. Hopefully, we'll see them over here to play in the Test final later in the summer v Aus.
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05/01/2021 09:07:29 63 5
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Kane Williamson is a proper cricketer, in that if anyone wanted to learn about the spirit of cricket you would book them to speak to kane. The dignity he maintained during the world cup final debacle will never be forgotten by cricket fans.

You can only be happy for him and no one can say an iota against him.

The other ever present in cricket is poor umpiring in New Zealand. Hopeless.
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05/01/2021 13:40:56 13 10
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World Cup Final debacle?

What World Cup Final were you watching?

The rules were in place before the game started.

I use the word ....... Thriller
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05/01/2021 09:08:30 12 1
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Williamson is simply an amazing batsman and he lifts his entire NZ side to play much better than they should.
Pak have been awful during their NZ tour. Their bowling & fielding are amongst the worst I’ve seen in recent time. Pak deserve to be well beaten by NZ in this test series and no doubt they will be.
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05/01/2021 09:15:01 10 1
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Yes, Pakistan have been dreadful in the field. I'm not sure Shaheen and Naseem, although both have great potential, are good enough to fill 2 of the bowling spots in a Test side at the moment.
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05/01/2021 09:08:30 12 1
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Williamson is simply an amazing batsman and he lifts his entire NZ side to play much better than they should.
Pak have been awful during their NZ tour. Their bowling & fielding are amongst the worst I’ve seen in recent time. Pak deserve to be well beaten by NZ in this test series and no doubt they will be.
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05/01/2021 09:15:01 10 1
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Yes, Pakistan have been dreadful in the field. I'm not sure Shaheen and Naseem, although both have great potential, are good enough to fill 2 of the bowling spots in a Test side at the moment.
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05/01/2021 09:17:42 3 1
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Agreed, they seem to have so much potential, do they not coach them at all? What a waste.
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AK
05/01/2021 15:42:13 1 0
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True mate. This aint an apprenticeship its Test Cricket. You are either good enough for Test Cricket or not. None of the 3 fast are capable to run through a Test batting line up.
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05/01/2021 09:17:16 34 6
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Rode hi luck a little with all those dropped catches, but genuinely a very very top batsmen and top top bloke,

Just look how he conducted himself after England won the ICC WC. and then imagine if he was an Aussie??!!
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05/01/2021 09:23:31 13 24
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Shame you needed to write the second sentence, even if you were correct. A dig at the Aussies on this comment string is unnecessary.
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05/01/2021 09:24:36 7 1
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He's a wonderful batsman and leads by example. No wonder the Kiwis have risen up the rankings to become a force to be reckoned with.
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05/01/2021 09:15:01 10 1
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Yes, Pakistan have been dreadful in the field. I'm not sure Shaheen and Naseem, although both have great potential, are good enough to fill 2 of the bowling spots in a Test side at the moment.
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05/01/2021 09:17:42 3 1
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Agreed, they seem to have so much potential, do they not coach them at all? What a waste.
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05/01/2021 09:21:17 82 4
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Rightly ranked no. 1 at the moment. Quality player and his grace after the World Cup final was absolute class. Can you imagine Kohli or any Australian not blaming defeat on the off the bat overthrows? Me neither.
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05/01/2021 18:03:58 6 3
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Ok I'll be gracious about it mate....it was the best tie I've ever seen in my life ??
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05/01/2021 20:38:20 0 1
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Can you imagine how arrogant England would be if they’d won 5 World Cups I don’t think they’d be as humble and graceful as the Aussies
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06/01/2021 02:28:08 0 0
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NZ weren't happy but kept quiet. KK has single handedly kept Aus very quiet and that's from 5000 miles away from the Test series.
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05/01/2021 08:32:13 14 3
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That's people's sports perception though .... Ask a person on Countries and ask them about what Sports they relate too and be the obvious Main sport as you mention Rugby for NZ.

NZ proved it in the WC just getting results and many not thinking they would do it.

Yes like any other country have their ups and downs plus have the shadow of being close to the Aussies.
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05/01/2021 09:22:52 8 2
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They don’t play enough test cricket Dunc. Only ever play 2 or 3 test series. That should change.

And good morning to you sir...
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05/01/2021 09:24:55 2 1
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2 or 3 match series that should say obviously
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05/01/2021 09:34:22 2 1
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Good morning to You Sir too ... I wish been nominated too but hey that's life.

Yes some will class NZ as a small Nation but not in Sporting though.

Yes plenty of Test Cricket available or was until the current issues.

Although now the Test Championship is here perhaps be more Test available.

Think though too the Tours and Matches have also changed in formats.
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05/01/2021 17:40:40 1 0
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It'd be great if NZ would play more than 2 tests in a series. The problem for NZ Cricket (at least according to commentators in recent matches) is that it loses an average of something like $100,000 for each test match played. Consequently NZ arranges a few test matches to keep the purists happy but focuses on shorter form games that raise money to fund it.
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05/01/2021 09:17:16 34 6
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Rode hi luck a little with all those dropped catches, but genuinely a very very top batsmen and top top bloke,

Just look how he conducted himself after England won the ICC WC. and then imagine if he was an Aussie??!!
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05/01/2021 09:23:31 13 24
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Shame you needed to write the second sentence, even if you were correct. A dig at the Aussies on this comment string is unnecessary.
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05/01/2021 09:38:02 5 1
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Yes see where you are coming from rightly so to pass comment.

Would your neighbours be so obliging if it was another batsman from England say.

Yes cheeky comment made by both of us and rightly so as said this should be about Kane's achievement with the bat. Of which I am sure will be and fair play to the lad for his hard work in net sessions and at the crease too.
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05/01/2021 09:48:15 14 5
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Is a dig at the Aussies ever unnecessary?
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05/01/2021 10:24:18 11 4
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A dig at the Aussies is ALWAYS both appropriate and deserved
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ET
05/01/2021 23:33:09 0 0
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Not at all. A point well made.

Williamson is not only a top batsman but sets an admirable example in how to behave no matter what misfortune (the final) or fortune (qualifying earlier) befalls you.

Imagining the whining, crying cheats (Smith, Warner, Chappells (1981) etc) behaving similarly is so far out there as to be fantasy.
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05/01/2021 09:17:16 34 6
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Rode hi luck a little with all those dropped catches, but genuinely a very very top batsmen and top top bloke,

Just look how he conducted himself after England won the ICC WC. and then imagine if he was an Aussie??!!
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05/01/2021 09:24:36 7 1
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He's a wonderful batsman and leads by example. No wonder the Kiwis have risen up the rankings to become a force to be reckoned with.
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05/01/2021 09:22:52 8 2
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They don’t play enough test cricket Dunc. Only ever play 2 or 3 test series. That should change.

And good morning to you sir...
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05/01/2021 09:24:55 2 1
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2 or 3 match series that should say obviously
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05/01/2021 09:26:29 17 3
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Williamson will be going long after Kohli and Smith are done with that classical technique. Less to go wrong and less reliant on hand eye coordination to get him out of trouble.
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05/01/2021 10:57:10 5 1
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Plays the ball late and under his eyes.
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05/01/2021 11:52:23 4 1
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I agree that his technique is classical/textbook. Commentators have been saying for several years now that any kid wanting to be a batsman should model themselves on Williamson but I think that could go for much more than just his technique.
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GGS
05/01/2021 15:05:39 4 0
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Can't say the same about Smith but Kohli's technique is quite classical as well.
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05/01/2021 09:28:59 12 6
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NZ look like a team that could dominate in tests for years to come. Best at the moment by quite a way.
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05/01/2021 09:42:02 4 2
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No spinner.
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05/01/2021 10:01:20 4 1
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Need to find a quality spinner to do that I think. Seaming conditions they can beat anyone. Spinning conditions they will still struggle at the moment.
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05/01/2021 10:04:42 3 1
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I'm not sure they will ever dominate if I'm honest but quality side
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05/01/2021 09:30:43 5 5
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3 dropped catches and a duck LOL
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05/01/2021 09:52:07 2 1
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He will be popular in the changing room/team bus/hotel /nets and fielding practice!!!. Your comment made me chuckle ????
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05/01/2021 11:40:50 2 1
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His fines, if he played for my team, would pay for quite a few sausgaes on the annual p*ss up BBQ and beer game
They'll probably have him on suicide watch after this game. Removed
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05/01/2021 09:22:52 8 2
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They don’t play enough test cricket Dunc. Only ever play 2 or 3 test series. That should change.

And good morning to you sir...
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05/01/2021 09:34:22 2 1
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Good morning to You Sir too ... I wish been nominated too but hey that's life.

Yes some will class NZ as a small Nation but not in Sporting though.

Yes plenty of Test Cricket available or was until the current issues.

Although now the Test Championship is here perhaps be more Test available.

Think though too the Tours and Matches have also changed in formats.
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Leo
05/01/2021 09:36:35 36 3
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NZ have quietly built an amazing Test team with very few weaknesses. A quality bowling attack supported by batting that is capable of scoring big runs in any conditions, incisive captaincy and not to mention their fielding isn't too bad either. It makes a pleasant change to see a different name at the top of the tree.
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05/01/2021 09:23:31 13 24
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Shame you needed to write the second sentence, even if you were correct. A dig at the Aussies on this comment string is unnecessary.
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05/01/2021 09:38:02 5 1
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Yes see where you are coming from rightly so to pass comment.

Would your neighbours be so obliging if it was another batsman from England say.

Yes cheeky comment made by both of us and rightly so as said this should be about Kane's achievement with the bat. Of which I am sure will be and fair play to the lad for his hard work in net sessions and at the crease too.
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05/01/2021 09:38:18 24 3
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Williams and his team have earned great respect. I hope they make the final, and don't really care who they play. Would be lovely to see them beat Australia, though!
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05/01/2021 09:28:59 12 6
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NZ look like a team that could dominate in tests for years to come. Best at the moment by quite a way.
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05/01/2021 09:42:02 4 2
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No spinner.
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05/01/2021 09:30:43 5 5
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3 dropped catches and a duck LOL
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05/01/2021 09:23:31 13 24
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Shame you needed to write the second sentence, even if you were correct. A dig at the Aussies on this comment string is unnecessary.
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05/01/2021 09:48:15 14 5
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Is a dig at the Aussies ever unnecessary?
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05/01/2021 09:56:09 7 9
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I'd say it is when commenting on a match that Australia aren't even playing in, proper football fan mentality.
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05/01/2021 10:05:55 1 3
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No it's it not and also you were making a polite observation too on how sporting and courteous the NZ Team and Captain are just unfortunate you used the Aussies as a Comparison.
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05/01/2021 09:48:51 10 1
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Well played the Kiwi cricketers. They never seem to crow, they just get on with it.
That Pakistani fielding needs sorting though, the ball isn’t red hot... it just feels like it!
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05/01/2021 10:01:45 6 1
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Martin and Jeff did though ??.

Yes catches win matches as they say but when it's your moment with either bat or ball fill your boots time and enjoy. Of which NZ appears to be doing too.
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05/01/2021 11:11:16 1 2
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Indeed, re. Kiwi cricketers. Quite the opposite of their rugby union compatriots. Why might this be?
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05/01/2021 09:30:43 5 5
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3 dropped catches and a duck LOL
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05/01/2021 09:52:07 2 1
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He will be popular in the changing room/team bus/hotel /nets and fielding practice!!!. Your comment made me chuckle ????
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05/01/2021 09:52:14 14 1
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Williamson is currently the most technically correct batsman there is
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05/01/2021 09:53:28 30 2
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top bloke,good team mates.no 1 test batsmen(without histrionics).showed his class to the english last year.you gotta love the kiwis.well done kane and crew.
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05/01/2021 09:48:15 14 5
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Is a dig at the Aussies ever unnecessary?
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05/01/2021 09:56:09 7 9
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I'd say it is when commenting on a match that Australia aren't even playing in, proper football fan mentality.
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Tim
05/01/2021 09:58:02 24 1
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NZ cricket has been on the up since B Mccullum was captain. They have been hard to beat since and seem to have a conveyor belt of good players. KW happens to be the best example. Good on them
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05/01/2021 12:28:35 6 0
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Watching the TV coverage is very interesting. Most of the local commentators are ex-players and they are knowledgeable and genial, but McCullum is completely different - still very intense, constantly thinking about ways in which NZ could and should play better. It's not at all hard to see and hear how he influenced the teams he led. Williamson is similarly intense, but of quieter demeanour.
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05/01/2021 09:28:59 12 6
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NZ look like a team that could dominate in tests for years to come. Best at the moment by quite a way.
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05/01/2021 10:01:20 4 1
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Need to find a quality spinner to do that I think. Seaming conditions they can beat anyone. Spinning conditions they will still struggle at the moment.
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05/01/2021 09:48:51 10 1
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Well played the Kiwi cricketers. They never seem to crow, they just get on with it.
That Pakistani fielding needs sorting though, the ball isn’t red hot... it just feels like it!
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05/01/2021 10:01:45 6 1
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Martin and Jeff did though ??.

Yes catches win matches as they say but when it's your moment with either bat or ball fill your boots time and enjoy. Of which NZ appears to be doing too.
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05/01/2021 09:28:59 12 6
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NZ look like a team that could dominate in tests for years to come. Best at the moment by quite a way.
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05/01/2021 10:04:42 3 1
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I'm not sure they will ever dominate if I'm honest but quality side
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05/01/2021 14:10:38 2 0
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To truly dominate you need strength in depth like the Aussies of the 90s/00s and Windies of the 70s/80s.

NZ will never have that simply because they don't have the player numbers - lose a couple of their best players and there isn't the back-up. They do currently have a few excellent guys and the rest of the team is playing very well, so a threat in NZ / English conditions.
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05/01/2021 10:05:11 19 1
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Absolutely beautiful player, no doubt the world's number one base on this form
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05/01/2021 09:48:15 14 5
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Is a dig at the Aussies ever unnecessary?
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05/01/2021 10:05:55 1 3
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No it's it not and also you were making a polite observation too on how sporting and courteous the NZ Team and Captain are just unfortunate you used the Aussies as a Comparison.
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05/01/2021 10:12:16 4 3
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Which is surely a fair comparison?
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Mks
05/01/2021 10:06:53 11 2
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Don"t get carried away with NZ. A recent away record of 3 wins 1 draw and 9 defeats shows how most teams rely on success at home and struggle away. Yet, with Williamson in this form I would favour his chances of leading his side to success at Lord's in the final of the World Test Championship if - still an if as India could beat England and Australia could beat India - NZ actually qualify.
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05/01/2021 10:13:58 5 1
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The remaining Test series of several to be played and if so do set up an interesting Final encounter.

Key Test series is the Aussies v India to more or less say one team in the final then other critical series obvious is India v England.

Not a bad idea the Test Championship just the way it's worked out and set up.
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05/01/2021 10:52:47 5 1
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The primary rankings boost here is the away win vs Pakistan and the drawn series in Sri Lanka. Australia (equal top in the rankings) lost both these series away. Obviously NZ were hammered in India and Australia but most teams are. I think their last home defeat was against SA 16 tests ago. It would be great to see them defy expectations and make it to Lords.
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05/01/2021 10:08:57 2 11
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He was dropped 3 times. 82 doesn’t have the same ring. Our Joe Root can easily manage a half century but he would lambasted for that
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05/01/2021 10:19:00 9 1
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Whilst this adds some context we need to examine the difficulty of the catches. The bar for drops is set ridiculously high and so they may have been half chances at most.
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05/01/2021 10:05:55 1 3
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No it's it not and also you were making a polite observation too on how sporting and courteous the NZ Team and Captain are just unfortunate you used the Aussies as a Comparison.
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05/01/2021 10:12:16 4 3
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Which is surely a fair comparison?
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05/01/2021 10:15:08 2 3
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??
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Mks
05/01/2021 10:06:53 11 2
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Don"t get carried away with NZ. A recent away record of 3 wins 1 draw and 9 defeats shows how most teams rely on success at home and struggle away. Yet, with Williamson in this form I would favour his chances of leading his side to success at Lord's in the final of the World Test Championship if - still an if as India could beat England and Australia could beat India - NZ actually qualify.
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05/01/2021 10:13:58 5 1
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The remaining Test series of several to be played and if so do set up an interesting Final encounter.

Key Test series is the Aussies v India to more or less say one team in the final then other critical series obvious is India v England.

Not a bad idea the Test Championship just the way it's worked out and set up.
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05/01/2021 10:12:16 4 3
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Which is surely a fair comparison?
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05/01/2021 10:15:08 2 3
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??
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05/01/2021 10:08:57 2 11
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He was dropped 3 times. 82 doesn’t have the same ring. Our Joe Root can easily manage a half century but he would lambasted for that
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05/01/2021 10:19:00 9 1
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Whilst this adds some context we need to examine the difficulty of the catches. The bar for drops is set ridiculously high and so they may have been half chances at most.
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05/01/2021 09:23:31 13 24
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Shame you needed to write the second sentence, even if you were correct. A dig at the Aussies on this comment string is unnecessary.
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05/01/2021 10:24:18 11 4
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A dig at the Aussies is ALWAYS both appropriate and deserved
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05/01/2021 10:31:40 6 4
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As is a dig at the English.
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05/01/2021 08:26:41 68 2
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Strange how one of the leading test nations gets such scant coverage. Seems a lot of people don’t take the quality of this team seriously, thinking NZ has the All Blacks and not much else.
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05/01/2021 10:27:42 3 4
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They are a very good team but I would imagine that the people are like Canadians who in Vancouver won 14 Gold Medals but if offered choice of 13 with no Ice Hockey or just the Ice Hockey with no others would want only 1 gold.

NZ equivalent is Rugby World Cup.
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05/01/2021 10:55:21 0 1
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My point is what you say Associate Canada with Ice Hockey or related sports with snow.

But they are participating and playing other sports at International level and slowly bettering and moving up the Tiers within them sports.

As you say though the Primary sport is Ice Hockey , Rugby NZ and the list goes on.

Still rewarding to see another country doing well in sport too.
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05/01/2021 10:24:18 11 4
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A dig at the Aussies is ALWAYS both appropriate and deserved
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05/01/2021 10:31:40 6 4
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As is a dig at the English.
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05/01/2021 10:39:14 5 1
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As they say you have to take the rough with the smooth too.
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05/01/2021 10:34:24 7 1
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Well done NZ, well done Williamson(a class act), Nichols - a record 4th wicket stand at that ground & Mitchel
A likely win on the cards
BUT nb, the light was v poor, "Pakistan lacked a plan for large parts" & dropped catches gallore - who cares, play the day as it comes. Home advantage? well use it, that's the game.

WHEN were NZ top of the rankings previously?
Is this a 1st?
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05/01/2021 10:42:01 7 2
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answer to my own question:

= YEP it would be the 1st time NZ are ICC test number ranked team !! Being the 6th to ever hold the 'rank'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Historical_rankings

GO Kiwis
btw - I'm huge English supporter
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05/01/2021 10:31:40 6 4
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As is a dig at the English.
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05/01/2021 10:39:14 5 1
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As they say you have to take the rough with the smooth too.
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05/01/2021 13:29:40 4 1
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Is that a type of sandpaper.
Just asking.
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05/01/2021 10:40:08 6 4
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Nice to see a Yorkshire lad doing well
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05/01/2021 10:34:24 7 1
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Well done NZ, well done Williamson(a class act), Nichols - a record 4th wicket stand at that ground & Mitchel
A likely win on the cards
BUT nb, the light was v poor, "Pakistan lacked a plan for large parts" & dropped catches gallore - who cares, play the day as it comes. Home advantage? well use it, that's the game.

WHEN were NZ top of the rankings previously?
Is this a 1st?
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05/01/2021 10:42:01 7 2
bbc
answer to my own question:

= YEP it would be the 1st time NZ are ICC test number ranked team !! Being the 6th to ever hold the 'rank'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Historical_rankings

GO Kiwis
btw - I'm huge English supporter
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05/01/2021 10:56:39 0 1
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Good on you ...

Yes over time too NZ players have been too of the free in the individual rankings too.
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05/01/2021 10:43:31 18 2
bbc
Kane is a class act. Not as high a profile as Smith or Virat but a run machine. One of the absolute best. Easily in a current world XI and an all-time NZ XI.
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cjb
05/01/2021 10:45:27 1 10
bbc
What Engurland would pay to sign this guy for the Ashes.

Thankfully no transfer maker in test cricket once a player declared his loyalty
196
06/01/2021 07:02:24 0 0
bbc
What do 'Engurland' and your dislike of their sports teams have to do with Kane Williamson and a series between NZ and Pakistan?

Back on topic. If NZ get through to the test final, it would be great for them to win it and have something tangible to show for their efforts. Often the nearly men, unfortunately.
58
05/01/2021 10:47:30 1 1
bbc
Players earn their luck. He is pure class.
59
05/01/2021 10:47:56 5 3
bbc
The Pakistan team is quite average and would struggle against a good Zimbabwe team. Dropped catches, poor batting and some ordinary bowling is quite evident.
63
05/01/2021 10:53:50 1 2
bbc
Very average.
90
05/01/2021 12:22:20 0 1
bbc
Arguing from the particular to the general ? Watch the highlights of the first Test and you will see a much better performance.
60
05/01/2021 10:50:07 30 3
bbc
Brilliant Williamson. And what a nice human being. Infact, all the NZ guys are. Really happy to see them at Number 1.
64
05/01/2021 10:54:35 10 1
bbc
Yes, top-class performer. Relaxed and agreeable approach. Perhaps not as exhilarating as Kohli in top form but steady and reliable and has set his team up to press for a win - again. Shrewd and well-liked captain as well, it seems.
61
05/01/2021 10:51:16 1 7
bbc
Yet another home team destroying visitors who can't cope with the alien conditions. Not sure how long this can continue if we want test cricket to survive.
68
05/01/2021 10:57:48 12 1
bbc
Agree it's a problem, but India have shown what can be done in Australia!
75
05/01/2021 11:31:13 4 1
bbc
Alien conditions? NZ is a beautiful place to play cricket ??
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Mks
05/01/2021 10:06:53 11 2
bbc
Don"t get carried away with NZ. A recent away record of 3 wins 1 draw and 9 defeats shows how most teams rely on success at home and struggle away. Yet, with Williamson in this form I would favour his chances of leading his side to success at Lord's in the final of the World Test Championship if - still an if as India could beat England and Australia could beat India - NZ actually qualify.
62
05/01/2021 10:52:47 5 1
bbc
The primary rankings boost here is the away win vs Pakistan and the drawn series in Sri Lanka. Australia (equal top in the rankings) lost both these series away. Obviously NZ were hammered in India and Australia but most teams are. I think their last home defeat was against SA 16 tests ago. It would be great to see them defy expectations and make it to Lords.
72
05/01/2021 11:06:04 1 1
bbc
Never say never ...

Same as I posted earlier too for them reaching the WC for ODI.

Yes they lurk or just sit quietly in the background going about their business quietly.
59
05/01/2021 10:47:56 5 3
bbc
The Pakistan team is quite average and would struggle against a good Zimbabwe team. Dropped catches, poor batting and some ordinary bowling is quite evident.
63
05/01/2021 10:53:50 1 2
bbc
Very average.
60
05/01/2021 10:50:07 30 3
bbc
Brilliant Williamson. And what a nice human being. Infact, all the NZ guys are. Really happy to see them at Number 1.
64
05/01/2021 10:54:35 10 1
bbc
Yes, top-class performer. Relaxed and agreeable approach. Perhaps not as exhilarating as Kohli in top form but steady and reliable and has set his team up to press for a win - again. Shrewd and well-liked captain as well, it seems.
50
05/01/2021 10:27:42 3 4
bbc
They are a very good team but I would imagine that the people are like Canadians who in Vancouver won 14 Gold Medals but if offered choice of 13 with no Ice Hockey or just the Ice Hockey with no others would want only 1 gold.

NZ equivalent is Rugby World Cup.
65
05/01/2021 10:55:21 0 1
bbc
My point is what you say Associate Canada with Ice Hockey or related sports with snow.

But they are participating and playing other sports at International level and slowly bettering and moving up the Tiers within them sports.

As you say though the Primary sport is Ice Hockey , Rugby NZ and the list goes on.

Still rewarding to see another country doing well in sport too.
55
05/01/2021 10:42:01 7 2
bbc
answer to my own question:

= YEP it would be the 1st time NZ are ICC test number ranked team !! Being the 6th to ever hold the 'rank'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Historical_rankings

GO Kiwis
btw - I'm huge English supporter
66
05/01/2021 10:56:39 0 1
bbc
Good on you ...

Yes over time too NZ players have been too of the free in the individual rankings too.
22
05/01/2021 09:26:29 17 3
bbc
Williamson will be going long after Kohli and Smith are done with that classical technique. Less to go wrong and less reliant on hand eye coordination to get him out of trouble.
67
05/01/2021 10:57:10 5 1
bbc
Plays the ball late and under his eyes.
61
05/01/2021 10:51:16 1 7
bbc
Yet another home team destroying visitors who can't cope with the alien conditions. Not sure how long this can continue if we want test cricket to survive.
68
05/01/2021 10:57:48 12 1
bbc
Agree it's a problem, but India have shown what can be done in Australia!
69
05/01/2021 10:58:49 4 1
bbc
Pakistan used to be a half decent side with a fearsome bowling attack, how times have changed.
70
05/01/2021 11:01:44 2 1
bbc
Pakistan didn't look fit or match ready. Some of the fielding was 2nd xi club level.
69
05/01/2021 10:58:49 4 1
bbc
Pakistan used to be a half decent side with a fearsome bowling attack, how times have changed.
70
05/01/2021 11:01:44 2 1
bbc
Pakistan didn't look fit or match ready. Some of the fielding was 2nd xi club level.
71
05/01/2021 11:05:09 4 5
bbc
To redeem their confidence, Pakistan needs to start touring Scotland, Netherland, Zimbabwe in the order mention. Alternatively they should play in lower division.
62
05/01/2021 10:52:47 5 1
bbc
The primary rankings boost here is the away win vs Pakistan and the drawn series in Sri Lanka. Australia (equal top in the rankings) lost both these series away. Obviously NZ were hammered in India and Australia but most teams are. I think their last home defeat was against SA 16 tests ago. It would be great to see them defy expectations and make it to Lords.
72
05/01/2021 11:06:04 1 1
bbc
Never say never ...

Same as I posted earlier too for them reaching the WC for ODI.

Yes they lurk or just sit quietly in the background going about their business quietly.
32
05/01/2021 09:48:51 10 1
bbc
Well played the Kiwi cricketers. They never seem to crow, they just get on with it.
That Pakistani fielding needs sorting though, the ball isn’t red hot... it just feels like it!
73
05/01/2021 11:11:16 1 2
bbc
Indeed, re. Kiwi cricketers. Quite the opposite of their rugby union compatriots. Why might this be?
87
05/01/2021 12:13:19 3 1
bbc
Do you mean the fans or the players? I would say the players in both codes are both humble and respectful. The same cannot be said for the fans but this is the case for every nationality.
74
05/01/2021 11:18:47 23 1
bbc
NZ are hugely under appreciated throughout the world. An example is that they have not been asked to tour England for. a Test series since 2015. Much inferior Test sides such as West Indies, South Africa etc have been over more than once since then. And yes, Kane and his team’s wonderful sporting reaction to the World Cup Final is one of the finest from any sport!
88
05/01/2021 12:17:50 23 1
bbc
Unfortunately, it's a financial problem. New Zealand has a population of 5 million (less than London) and finds it difficult to fund incoming tours, which means they are offered few overseas trips in return. To their great shame England, Australia and India have all refused to subsidise the less wealthy nations in their desire to play Test cricket, which is poorer (both meanings) for it.
61
05/01/2021 10:51:16 1 7
bbc
Yet another home team destroying visitors who can't cope with the alien conditions. Not sure how long this can continue if we want test cricket to survive.
75
05/01/2021 11:31:13 4 1
bbc
Alien conditions? NZ is a beautiful place to play cricket ??
89
05/01/2021 12:20:33 2 1
bbc
Drive through a beautiful green land, then sit on a rug or deck chair on a grassy bank and watch some of the best cricketers in the world; at lunch time try some of the excellent local food and wine. Been there, done that, there are few finer things available on the planet.
76
05/01/2021 11:36:53 5 3
bbc
England won't reach this Test championship final in June as they have clearly concentrated on white ball cricket in recent years. Only New Zealand, India and Australia have given test matches any significance. India clearly have the best team but if they do meet New Zealand, they may find it hard to beat them at Lords due to the conditions being New Zealand friendly.
85
05/01/2021 12:06:11 3 1
bbc
Jamieson looks like a real handful on a pitch with any bounce in it, and has repeatedly put the Pakistan batsmen in trouble by getting the ball to lift sharply from back of a length. It will be very interesting to see what he does on English pitches, where he may get the ball to move as well.
86
05/01/2021 12:07:36 1 1
bbc
Yup, not getting a 3-0 win vs either WI or Pakistan hurt us in the championship. Not that many seemed to care at the time.
167
05/01/2021 19:17:41 0 0
bbc
India clearly have the best team?

36 all out.
24
05/01/2021 09:30:43 5 5
bbc
3 dropped catches and a duck LOL
77
05/01/2021 11:40:50 2 1
bbc
His fines, if he played for my team, would pay for quite a few sausgaes on the annual p*ss up BBQ and beer game
24
05/01/2021 09:30:43 5 5
bbc
3 dropped catches and a duck LOL
They'll probably have him on suicide watch after this game. Removed
22
05/01/2021 09:26:29 17 3
bbc
Williamson will be going long after Kohli and Smith are done with that classical technique. Less to go wrong and less reliant on hand eye coordination to get him out of trouble.
79
05/01/2021 11:52:23 4 1
bbc
I agree that his technique is classical/textbook. Commentators have been saying for several years now that any kid wanting to be a batsman should model themselves on Williamson but I think that could go for much more than just his technique.
80
05/01/2021 11:53:01 3 3
bbc
The Pakistan board are a disgrace ,like dinosaurs who should have retired or being sacked . The team have no hunger and are paid so badly by their respective board . They are unfit and their is plenty of talent in Pakistan but we see the usual players picked not based on performance/talent ,
84
05/01/2021 12:03:01 7 2
bbc
Did you watch any of the first Test ? Pakistan played with plenty of skill and spirit and were in contention right until the last afternoon. The worst you could say about them in this match is that they wilted under extreme pressure from some very determined and attritional cricket played by the world number 1 and his wing man.
81
05/01/2021 11:53:03 13 1
bbc
Kane is genuinely one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, and he can bat a bit too.
82
05/01/2021 11:53:34 7 1
bbc
The number one ranked Test batsman is doing fine. Congrats to Kane Williamson. Well played.
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SLR
05/01/2021 12:02:38 7 1
bbc
To go for that many runs, some bowling attack. Prowess in any sport is cyclical but the terrorist attack that led to Pakistan falling a decade behind in top level cricket will take some years to put behind. I hope the infrastructure and optimism is there for youngsters to rise to the levels of Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Mushtaq once again.
80
05/01/2021 11:53:01 3 3
bbc
The Pakistan board are a disgrace ,like dinosaurs who should have retired or being sacked . The team have no hunger and are paid so badly by their respective board . They are unfit and their is plenty of talent in Pakistan but we see the usual players picked not based on performance/talent ,
84
05/01/2021 12:03:01 7 2
bbc
Did you watch any of the first Test ? Pakistan played with plenty of skill and spirit and were in contention right until the last afternoon. The worst you could say about them in this match is that they wilted under extreme pressure from some very determined and attritional cricket played by the world number 1 and his wing man.
76
05/01/2021 11:36:53 5 3
bbc
England won't reach this Test championship final in June as they have clearly concentrated on white ball cricket in recent years. Only New Zealand, India and Australia have given test matches any significance. India clearly have the best team but if they do meet New Zealand, they may find it hard to beat them at Lords due to the conditions being New Zealand friendly.
85
05/01/2021 12:06:11 3 1
bbc
Jamieson looks like a real handful on a pitch with any bounce in it, and has repeatedly put the Pakistan batsmen in trouble by getting the ball to lift sharply from back of a length. It will be very interesting to see what he does on English pitches, where he may get the ball to move as well.
160
05/01/2021 18:24:52 0 0
bbc
He looks a decent all rounder too.
76
05/01/2021 11:36:53 5 3
bbc
England won't reach this Test championship final in June as they have clearly concentrated on white ball cricket in recent years. Only New Zealand, India and Australia have given test matches any significance. India clearly have the best team but if they do meet New Zealand, they may find it hard to beat them at Lords due to the conditions being New Zealand friendly.
86
05/01/2021 12:07:36 1 1
bbc
Yup, not getting a 3-0 win vs either WI or Pakistan hurt us in the championship. Not that many seemed to care at the time.
159
05/01/2021 18:24:30 1 0
bbc
England are the architects of this sport but like so many of the sports they created, they have this sense of entitlement which other nations in the sub continent do not have. The world cup win in the white ball game has gone to their heads and they forgot about what it meant to develop players with technique and patience.
73
05/01/2021 11:11:16 1 2
bbc
Indeed, re. Kiwi cricketers. Quite the opposite of their rugby union compatriots. Why might this be?
87
05/01/2021 12:13:19 3 1
bbc
Do you mean the fans or the players? I would say the players in both codes are both humble and respectful. The same cannot be said for the fans but this is the case for every nationality.
74
05/01/2021 11:18:47 23 1
bbc
NZ are hugely under appreciated throughout the world. An example is that they have not been asked to tour England for. a Test series since 2015. Much inferior Test sides such as West Indies, South Africa etc have been over more than once since then. And yes, Kane and his team’s wonderful sporting reaction to the World Cup Final is one of the finest from any sport!
88
05/01/2021 12:17:50 23 1
bbc
Unfortunately, it's a financial problem. New Zealand has a population of 5 million (less than London) and finds it difficult to fund incoming tours, which means they are offered few overseas trips in return. To their great shame England, Australia and India have all refused to subsidise the less wealthy nations in their desire to play Test cricket, which is poorer (both meanings) for it.
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ET
05/01/2021 23:35:25 4 0
bbc
Absolutely.
Sadly, many will pay over the odds to watch Kohli and thus we are suffering from over exposure.
Ashes every 18 months...
It all becomes boring and far too similar.
75
05/01/2021 11:31:13 4 1
bbc
Alien conditions? NZ is a beautiful place to play cricket ??
89
05/01/2021 12:20:33 2 1
bbc
Drive through a beautiful green land, then sit on a rug or deck chair on a grassy bank and watch some of the best cricketers in the world; at lunch time try some of the excellent local food and wine. Been there, done that, there are few finer things available on the planet.
59
05/01/2021 10:47:56 5 3
bbc
The Pakistan team is quite average and would struggle against a good Zimbabwe team. Dropped catches, poor batting and some ordinary bowling is quite evident.
90
05/01/2021 12:22:20 0 1
bbc
Arguing from the particular to the general ? Watch the highlights of the first Test and you will see a much better performance.
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NSG
05/01/2021 13:21:51 0 0
bbc
The Pakistani team was never in contention of winning the first test. Drawing the match was a distant probability. Yet they lost by a huge margin of 100 runs, for your information. What's there to note about this average team?
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Tim
05/01/2021 09:58:02 24 1
bbc
NZ cricket has been on the up since B Mccullum was captain. They have been hard to beat since and seem to have a conveyor belt of good players. KW happens to be the best example. Good on them
91
05/01/2021 12:28:35 6 0
bbc
Watching the TV coverage is very interesting. Most of the local commentators are ex-players and they are knowledgeable and genial, but McCullum is completely different - still very intense, constantly thinking about ways in which NZ could and should play better. It's not at all hard to see and hear how he influenced the teams he led. Williamson is similarly intense, but of quieter demeanour.
183
05/01/2021 20:50:46 0 0
bbc
Have a look at McCullum's comments after the 2015 WC final after the poor behaviour by some of the Australians. He was a very classy captain
92
05/01/2021 12:37:55 2 1
bbc
Kane Williamson will rival Hadlee as New Zealand's greatest ever cricketer when it's all said and done.
98
05/01/2021 13:17:34 2 0
bbc
And Martin Crowe
93
05/01/2021 12:48:58 3 1
bbc
Visiting teams really need to spend more time aclimatising to conditions before jumping into a test match. Too many away teams are getting thrashed these days. India seems to be an exception these days but even they got bowled out for 36 in first test.
101
05/01/2021 13:20:32 1 0
bbc
May be due too Isolation periods and timing of Tests at the moment will dictate the pre warm up games.

Yes cannot deny certain Touring sides have lacked prep and planning for warm up games.

End of the day scheduling and money is a factor too for the warm up games.
94
05/01/2021 12:58:12 5 1
bbc
He plays some glorious stuff....
95
05/01/2021 12:59:09 3 5
bbc
Should Pakistan even be allowed to play Test matches now? Given the number of their players who've been convicted of spot-fixing offences, how can you be sure what you're watching hasn't just been requested by a big punter or bookie somewhere?
96
05/01/2021 13:11:18 1 1
bbc
Nah they're just rubbish.
99
05/01/2021 13:18:54 2 0
bbc
How do we know any sporting contest is truly fair?

There is bending if the rules or finding gaps in them to exploit to your advantage.
A swimmer in a new sharkskin style swimsuit.
Or a cyclist with a bike made by Lotus.
.
Then there is just plain cheating for which a lifetime ban is the only option. The sport involved needs to uphold it's integrity otherwise it will lose fans.
140
05/01/2021 16:05:39 0 0
bbc
and tampering with the ball remember Sarfraz!
95
05/01/2021 12:59:09 3 5
bbc
Should Pakistan even be allowed to play Test matches now? Given the number of their players who've been convicted of spot-fixing offences, how can you be sure what you're watching hasn't just been requested by a big punter or bookie somewhere?
96
05/01/2021 13:11:18 1 1
bbc
Nah they're just rubbish.
97
Irf
05/01/2021 13:12:00 4 0
bbc
New Zealand are a great side playing fabulous cricket at the moment and fully deserve the wins against West Indies and Pakistan, but home advantage needs to be mitigated around the world by doing away with the toss and allowing the visiting teams to choose.

Wouldn't have made a difference in this result but it would be a decent innovation to level the playing field for visiting sides.
100
05/01/2021 13:19:20 4 0
bbc
Totally agree that the away side should have toss advantage in every Test match. So obvious but sadly not likely to be on the priority list for the ICC.
92
05/01/2021 12:37:55 2 1
bbc
Kane Williamson will rival Hadlee as New Zealand's greatest ever cricketer when it's all said and done.
98
05/01/2021 13:17:34 2 0
bbc
And Martin Crowe
95
05/01/2021 12:59:09 3 5
bbc
Should Pakistan even be allowed to play Test matches now? Given the number of their players who've been convicted of spot-fixing offences, how can you be sure what you're watching hasn't just been requested by a big punter or bookie somewhere?
99
05/01/2021 13:18:54 2 0
bbc
How do we know any sporting contest is truly fair?

There is bending if the rules or finding gaps in them to exploit to your advantage.
A swimmer in a new sharkskin style swimsuit.
Or a cyclist with a bike made by Lotus.
.
Then there is just plain cheating for which a lifetime ban is the only option. The sport involved needs to uphold it's integrity otherwise it will lose fans.
97
Irf
05/01/2021 13:12:00 4 0
bbc
New Zealand are a great side playing fabulous cricket at the moment and fully deserve the wins against West Indies and Pakistan, but home advantage needs to be mitigated around the world by doing away with the toss and allowing the visiting teams to choose.

Wouldn't have made a difference in this result but it would be a decent innovation to level the playing field for visiting sides.
100
05/01/2021 13:19:20 4 0
bbc
Totally agree that the away side should have toss advantage in every Test match. So obvious but sadly not likely to be on the priority list for the ICC.
126
05/01/2021 15:17:14 1 0
bbc
This is the only one of the four recent tests that Williamson has won the toss, so he's trying :-)