'Furlough mums and dads while schools are off' says TUC
04/01/2021 | news | business | 421
Trades unions urge bosses to support parents trying to balance work and childcare.
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04/01/2021 11:02:44 14 17
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This sounds all too reasonable, but just watch people bash the TUC because they hate anything linked to labour or socialism because they still have a 1950’s mentality
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04/01/2021 11:08:49 11 2
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Unfortunately the TUC has a Fred Kite attitude to industrial relations where as German unions tend to be more pragmatic and understand wider economics realising what is good long term.
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04/01/2021 12:25:49 0 0
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1750s
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04/01/2021 11:03:02 45 17
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TUC don't like people going to work.

It's what they thrive on.
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04/01/2021 11:07:28 16 31
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Ah yes, an organisation funded by portions of peoples paychecks not wanting people to work.... taht makes sense.
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04/01/2021 11:13:51 5 1
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Yes, and It's ironic considering unions were often originally set up to try to ensure 'working men' had work to go to.
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04/01/2021 11:03:39 76 13
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My child's primary school has closed "on union advice" despite the infection rate locally being 145 per 100k, and not a single patient in the local hospital on a ventilator or in ICU with Covid. No other school in the area has closed.

The unions are telling schools to close against govt/medical advice, and now demanding that taxpayers pay for it.
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04/01/2021 11:09:04 14 38
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And where is that because that sounds miraculous given the state of the rest of the country
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04/01/2021 13:17:11 8 4
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The unions like undermining anything other than a Marxist Government + they like to avoid their member not working if possible. Thats the whole point of Unions, to avoid members working
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04/01/2021 11:04:01 4 6
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I feel sorry for anyone affected by the virus, be it lost loved ones, lost jobs/work, disruption to school/university, a year or more of childhood without being able to see friends.

Sadly, all we can learn from this is to know what mistakes we will make next time. Then we can make those mistakes time and time again. If we haven't learnt by now, we never will.
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04/01/2021 11:11:07 7 0
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A pessimisstic view, but you're right, tragically we do tend to make the same mistakes over and over, and I also feel sorry for everyone who has been adversely affected by this pandemic... which would be most of us, in one way, or another.

However, I don't feel any govt. we could realistically have had in the UK in 2020, would have done any better than Boris & Sage.
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04/01/2021 11:04:24 20 7
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It would make sense for teachers to be vaccinated while schools are off too.
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04/01/2021 14:27:30 1 0
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It make sense to vaccinate all those who necessarily have close contact with many others, obviously it would be slightly more convenient to do teachers out of term time, but the sooner the better, regardless.
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04/01/2021 11:04:40 51 16
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Frances O'Grady should focus on how her member organisations can support the British economy instead of demanding handouts and wanting more and more for doing less and less.
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04/01/2021 12:00:57 4 17
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No, that's not her job. SHe should do her joib.

Perhaps you should focus on doing my job?
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04/01/2021 11:06:07 55 12
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And the TUC will pay for it all - you should see the pay they get!
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04/01/2021 11:10:51 59 5
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Frances Ogrady gets more than the Prime Minister ....
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04/01/2021 11:06:38 60 15
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Lala Land TUC at it again.
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04/01/2021 11:06:47 4 22
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Another Boris disaster. Tory government cannot organise anything except more covid deaths...
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04/01/2021 11:03:02 45 17
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TUC don't like people going to work.

It's what they thrive on.
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04/01/2021 11:07:28 16 31
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Ah yes, an organisation funded by portions of peoples paychecks not wanting people to work.... taht makes sense.
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04/01/2021 13:25:20 0 1
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That hasn't affected them in the slightest, they'll have been collecting dues from members regular as clockwork. I bet you have better rights for getting a refund on a holiday or other goods and services than you would on union dues.
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04/01/2021 11:08:03 139 34
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The Left's answer to Covid? Close the economy down, borrow until we're bust and destroy the fabric of society so that they can gain complete control over society and eradicate freedoms. It's what the Left does. Stalinism lives in the Labour Party and trades unions.
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04/01/2021 11:16:10 24 60
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Yet that's what the right-wing Tories did back in March.

It's the only solution that doesn't result in cases continuing to skyrocket, and crippling the NHS. Yes, you need to borrow to pay for it, although national borrowing is different from personal borrowing.
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04/01/2021 15:24:11 3 0
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I think you'll find it's the Tories doing that. They're in power, you know, have been for 10 years.
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04/01/2021 21:28:02 0 0
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130 thumbs up
The fabric of society is people
If you don’t protect your people you cannot justify anything, from healthcare, taxes, 2 world wars, royalty, law itself
It’s not a left thing
Destroy whatever if you want, I’m sure your way of thinking will be fine long term, not anarchy
I see more intelligence in the less educated, than I ever have in the higher paid sectors
Ignorance isn’t intellect
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04/01/2021 11:08:32 98 19
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The TUC are hell bent on destruction ..... of themselves and the country
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04/01/2021 12:00:12 70 15
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The miners destroyed the coal industry Well done Scargill
The TGWu Destroyed the car industry They dont make cars in Coventry and Bham any more
Now the Teachers unions think they should run schools

Its about time the unions powers were curbed
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04/01/2021 11:08:34 8 20
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Too many millionires all TUC bashing....
Time to get the £8Bn tax owed by the rich
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04/01/2021 12:13:51 0 0
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£8bn tax? Our welfare spending is £200 bn a year even before covid. For those who thinks tax the rich is the answer, think again. Those countries who you so aspire to such as Sweden and Germany have almost everyone pay income tax (rich and poor). Here 43% of working aged adults don't pay income tax due to the personal allowance.
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04/01/2021 11:02:44 14 17
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This sounds all too reasonable, but just watch people bash the TUC because they hate anything linked to labour or socialism because they still have a 1950’s mentality
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04/01/2021 11:08:49 11 2
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Unfortunately the TUC has a Fred Kite attitude to industrial relations where as German unions tend to be more pragmatic and understand wider economics realising what is good long term.
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04/01/2021 12:08:27 2 0
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Yeah sorry I don't get that reference as it was made about 30 years before I was born....

German unions take the right approach but often get the same outcomes as the TUC/NUT etc, but thats because the other side cooperates more too.
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04/01/2021 11:03:39 76 13
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My child's primary school has closed "on union advice" despite the infection rate locally being 145 per 100k, and not a single patient in the local hospital on a ventilator or in ICU with Covid. No other school in the area has closed.

The unions are telling schools to close against govt/medical advice, and now demanding that taxpayers pay for it.
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04/01/2021 11:09:04 14 38
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And where is that because that sounds miraculous given the state of the rest of the country
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04/01/2021 11:50:38 16 2
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High Peak, Derbyshire. Figures on infection rates from the BBC a couple of days ago, and from government website on hospital numbers.

It isn't miraculous, it is just you getting sucked in by all the media hype about rising numbers affecting mainly the SE and London, whilst in other areas the situation is improving.
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04/01/2021 11:09:34 30 8
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I didn't realise the TUC still existed
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04/01/2021 11:14:00 9 41
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You are like the brexiteers, head in sand, know nothing..
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04/01/2021 11:09:44 42 11
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This sweeping across all areas demand by the TUC demonstrates an inability to apply any science to their decisions. It is bad for the mental health and long term development of children to keep them off school and to do so in areas of low infection rates is disgraceful. The TUC should hang their heads in shame.
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04/01/2021 18:42:07 1 0
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Hanging [their heads in shame] is too good for them.
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04/01/2021 18:46:59 0 0
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they know no shame!
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04/01/2021 11:09:53 1 17
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Yes, furlough everyone, not just tory voters.
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04/01/2021 11:18:22 6 4
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Another lefty comment.
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04/01/2021 11:10:07 122 16
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It's shameful trying to make party political capital out of a national health crisis.
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04/01/2021 11:42:55 91 13
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Predictable TUC response.

Stand on the sidelines, shouting a mixture of abuse and naivety with no real responsibility for the outcome.
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04/01/2021 16:01:13 0 3
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Tories wanted to do it alone so it began as a political party issue. The initial problems with NHS were caused by Tory inertia over preparations for forecasted pandemic and Underfunding the NHS to the point of not being able to cope every time there was a rise in bed demand and ongoing staffing shortages.
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04/01/2021 11:10:09 2 12
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'Wonderif' the reluctance to shut schools has something to do with the fact that the parents will require furlough payment?

Maybe that could be financed by taxing George Bezoz et al, at an appropriate/proportianate rate and collecting it?
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04/01/2021 12:27:43 1 1
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George Bizos was a Greek-South African human rights lawyer who campaigned against apartheid in South Africa. He was noted for representing Nelson Mandela during the Rivonia Trial.

Jeffrey Preston Bezos is an American internet entrepreneur, industrialist, media proprietor...

Who do you want to tax, the deceased SA citizen or the living USA citizen?
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04/01/2021 11:10:18 5 18
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Oh God...here come the teacher haters
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04/01/2021 11:13:21 15 2
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Teaching unions don't represent teachers, silly.
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04/01/2021 11:19:47 2 1
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Its not the teachers, it's the teacher unions.
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04/01/2021 11:06:07 55 12
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And the TUC will pay for it all - you should see the pay they get!
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04/01/2021 11:10:51 59 5
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Frances Ogrady gets more than the Prime Minister ....
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04/01/2021 12:02:12 2 10
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So do I. So what?

What does the CEO of Virgin get?
What does the CEO of Barclays Bank get?
What does the CEO of Tescos get?
What does the CEO of Halfords get?
What do you earn?
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04/01/2021 11:11:03 6 17
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Tax the rich to pay for this: A tenth of people receiving more than £1m paid a lower rate than someone earning just £15,000

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capital-gains-income-tax-a9566211.html
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04/01/2021 11:14:14 2 6
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'Wonderif' the reluctance to shut schools has something to do with the fact that the parents will require furlough payment?

Maybe that could be financed by taxing George Bezoz et al, at an appropriate/proportianate rate and collecting it?
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04/01/2021 11:21:12 0 0
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Think before speaking.
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04/01/2021 11:24:22 0 1
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You want a German level of welfare , then pay for it German style ie. everyone pays c35% more tax than their Uk equivalent. Not for me, thanks.
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04/01/2021 11:24:31 0 1
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Capital gains is not the same as income tax. I originally thought you obviously knew this but if you are a far leftie you probably don't/
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04/01/2021 11:04:01 4 6
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I feel sorry for anyone affected by the virus, be it lost loved ones, lost jobs/work, disruption to school/university, a year or more of childhood without being able to see friends.

Sadly, all we can learn from this is to know what mistakes we will make next time. Then we can make those mistakes time and time again. If we haven't learnt by now, we never will.
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04/01/2021 11:11:07 7 0
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A pessimisstic view, but you're right, tragically we do tend to make the same mistakes over and over, and I also feel sorry for everyone who has been adversely affected by this pandemic... which would be most of us, in one way, or another.

However, I don't feel any govt. we could realistically have had in the UK in 2020, would have done any better than Boris & Sage.
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04/01/2021 11:18:56 1 0
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To avoid any confusion, my comment wasn't anti-govt in case that's what you had interpreted.

Considering there have been 6 or 7 pandemics since 1900 and things have still gone this badly globally I'm surprised people think that, despite all human history to the contrary, this is going to be the one we learn from.

And one man's pessimist is another man's realist.
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04/01/2021 11:11:12 66 8
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I wish these people had spent at least a day working in the real world

How many SME's can do this?

We would have 60 % of our workforce on Furlough and would be able to operate

It woukld be the death knell for our company
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04/01/2021 11:13:34 9 65
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How are your employees dealing with it right now? If they can work from home, are you expecting them to still put in an 8 hour day (+ unpaid overtime) AND do the childcare and schooling on top of that?
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04/01/2021 11:22:20 3 1
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Yeah... but this is a public education system and not a business... why would you ever treat them the same
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04/01/2021 11:26:30 13 0
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"I wish these people had spent at least a day working in the real world"

Bang on! I went into teaching after working 20 very successful years in software development, many in the "take no prisoners" City, where I thrived. The mentality of those who have never worked in the real world is appalling.
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04/01/2021 11:11:18 90 9
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Please someone furlough Frances O'Grady
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04/01/2021 11:28:33 63 5
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Permanently
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04/01/2021 11:11:18 2 14
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Absolutely. This should be mandatory, with two options - for parents of primary-age children, who can work from home with no alternative childcare option, they should be able to be furloughed for 50% of the day, so they can work 4 hours, and dedicate 4 hours to schooling and care. For the others, it will have to be 100% furlough. Currently it's a choice between extreme stress, or losing all income
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04/01/2021 11:10:18 5 18
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Oh God...here come the teacher haters
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04/01/2021 11:13:21 15 2
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Teaching unions don't represent teachers, silly.
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04/01/2021 11:11:12 66 8
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I wish these people had spent at least a day working in the real world

How many SME's can do this?

We would have 60 % of our workforce on Furlough and would be able to operate

It woukld be the death knell for our company
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04/01/2021 11:13:34 9 65
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How are your employees dealing with it right now? If they can work from home, are you expecting them to still put in an 8 hour day (+ unpaid overtime) AND do the childcare and schooling on top of that?
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04/01/2021 11:24:23 12 1
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who said anything about unpaid overtime?

Staff cannot work from home as we distribute and deliver cleaning supplies and PPE to local hospitals, care homes doctors, schools amonmgst others. I am sure they would understand if we told them we couldnt deliver to these places because the TUC and said all workers with children at school should be furloughed
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04/01/2021 11:34:15 7 2
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Yes we expect parents to look after their children.

Why should the minority, who can't afford the privilege of having a child have to pay for your privilege
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04/01/2021 13:15:53 7 2
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Er, if they are expecting a full wage then yes. Kids are their problem not mine. They chose to have them, not me.
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04/01/2021 13:52:21 2 1
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Yes, it is called life, try living it sometime. If you think destroying our kids wellbeing and education is going to stop a virus doing what a virus does then you need to "educate" yourself, there is 80% compliance with the rules, yet the virus keeps doing what viruses do, the largest spreaders of the virus are Hospitals & Nursing Homes. 90% of people who have died complied with the rules.
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04/01/2021 18:45:00 0 0
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chosen profession?
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04/01/2021 11:03:02 45 17
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TUC don't like people going to work.

It's what they thrive on.
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04/01/2021 11:13:51 5 1
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Yes, and It's ironic considering unions were often originally set up to try to ensure 'working men' had work to go to.
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04/01/2021 12:09:14 2 1
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Eh that's not true. Unions are there to protect workers rights, not find people work, and that's what they are doing here
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04/01/2021 11:13:57 158 17
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So the unions are telling teachers not to work and the TUC are telling the taxpayers to pay for it. Nuts.
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04/01/2021 11:16:22 29 112
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The unions are saying under health & safety law schools aren’t safe workplaces
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04/01/2021 11:15:51 22 6
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Now you know why the old union was called the NUT!
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04/01/2021 11:19:46 11 13
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No, they aren't telling teachers not to work. Arranging the work for homeschooling is actually more work for teachers (who also have to go in to school to teach the keyworker children), especially for the pupils that require more assistance. The teachers would far rather be in school teaching face to face.
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04/01/2021 16:26:15 0 1
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There are a lot of teachers either off sick/isolating after contracting the virus from children. Maybe direct a bit of kindness and consideration to the teachers you clearly have no idea the pressures/demands on them since March 2020. I spoke to a primary school teacher recently and we weren't discussing whether they should be furloughed just the constant pressure they are under.
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04/01/2021 18:39:00 1 0
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Unions are saying parents should be furloughed but teachers can continue to get full pay and do nothing
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04/01/2021 11:09:34 30 8
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I didn't realise the TUC still existed
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04/01/2021 11:14:00 9 41
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You are like the brexiteers, head in sand, know nothing..
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04/01/2021 13:13:01 1 1
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Grow up.
Insulting comment.
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04/01/2021 13:20:11 2 0
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Check the news. Brexiteer and remainer is a thing of the past. Thank goodness for that.
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04/01/2021 18:07:55 0 0
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Another intellectually superior Remainer. It must be very frustrating that the plebs ignore you.
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04/01/2021 11:11:03 6 17
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Tax the rich to pay for this: A tenth of people receiving more than £1m paid a lower rate than someone earning just £15,000

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capital-gains-income-tax-a9566211.html
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04/01/2021 11:14:14 2 6
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'Wonderif' the reluctance to shut schools has something to do with the fact that the parents will require furlough payment?

Maybe that could be financed by taxing George Bezoz et al, at an appropriate/proportianate rate and collecting it?
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04/01/2021 11:14:55 176 21
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Why? As a front line worker in my 60s I have worked all the way through, very little PPE for 6 months, just got on with it. Stop bleating, roll your sleeves up and carry on.
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04/01/2021 11:36:07 21 50
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The country has realised we cannot do without a lot of modestly paid key workers... Do you keep working for what you’re getting? or are you going to demand better?
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04/01/2021 12:05:22 10 21
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What role do you do exactly?

I would see that as an unsafe workplace. The keep calm and carry on approach doesnt really work with a pandemic as all you're likely doing is spreading the virus to others
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04/01/2021 12:08:53 13 4
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Well done you! I wish there were more like you.

Too many people I know (mainly 50 somethings like me) just look for any excuse not to work.

(I work, but not front-line.)
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04/01/2021 12:10:10 7 20
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So because you have rubbish protection, you expect others to risk catching the virus, or potentially passing it on to people more vulnerable. Some people are as dense as a boxing day stool.
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04/01/2021 12:59:04 5 1
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If you were in your 30s with children 7, 9 and 13 home from school during that time you would have a point.
This is not meant to be a hit at your fantastic service to us all but just putting the context of people in different circumstances
I too have worked all through as a key worker in my late 50s but I can see where the differences are where children are concerned.
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04/01/2021 15:37:16 1 2
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What a stupid comment voted up by the usual suspect Tory Bots!
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04/01/2021 16:10:42 1 2
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Drop dead you tory muppet.
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04/01/2021 11:08:03 139 34
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The Left's answer to Covid? Close the economy down, borrow until we're bust and destroy the fabric of society so that they can gain complete control over society and eradicate freedoms. It's what the Left does. Stalinism lives in the Labour Party and trades unions.
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04/01/2021 11:16:10 24 60
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Yet that's what the right-wing Tories did back in March.

It's the only solution that doesn't result in cases continuing to skyrocket, and crippling the NHS. Yes, you need to borrow to pay for it, although national borrowing is different from personal borrowing.
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04/01/2021 11:18:48 8 4
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But they did it to save the economy from crumbling, rather than trying deliberately to destroy it. Nice try.
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04/01/2021 12:58:41 3 1
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"... although national borrowing is different from personal borrowing."

Yes I think we're all well enough aware how some people can be very generous if it's somebody else who has to pay and positively parsimonious when spending their own. That's what makes it different!

Union leaders who live in council houses... should move on, so the genuinely worse off can have a home.
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04/01/2021 13:11:23 3 1
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Yes it is different, people in good jobs have to pay for it, hence it doesnt really bother the lefties as they think the rich should be taxed until they bleed anyway, the poor (as they pay little tax) or the feckless (as they havent got a job anyway)
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04/01/2021 15:56:53 1 0
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'national borrowing is different from personal'. It's still borrowing and has to be paid back. Possible on the time frame of a mortgage but... I'm afraid you've been listening to too many trendy Wendies pushing the 'spend' agenda and its OK because its only money and who cares!
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04/01/2021 18:01:03 0 0
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Wrong.
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04/01/2021 11:13:57 158 17
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So the unions are telling teachers not to work and the TUC are telling the taxpayers to pay for it. Nuts.
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04/01/2021 11:16:22 29 112
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The unions are saying under health & safety law schools aren’t safe workplaces
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04/01/2021 11:21:22 31 7
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The government and SAGE are saying the opposite. I'll trust them thank you rather than a bunch of aging Marxists with a hidden agenda
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04/01/2021 11:21:43 8 21
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Spot on, its pretty clear that there a lot of people on HYS that don't understand the reason of having a union. I highly recommend the labour museum in London, a lot I wasn't aware of that made me appreciate the unions more
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04/01/2021 11:30:48 21 4
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And their proof is?

I suspect schools are on the whole, a lot safer as a workplace than an NHS hospital or a supermarket. At least the school class is a fixed size group of the same children and they're known (and easily tracible), that's not true for either of the others.

Can't blame them for protecting their members, but can blame them for appalling, irresponsible tactics.
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04/01/2021 12:26:55 0 0
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No, that's not what the article is saying.
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04/01/2021 12:29:38 3 1
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Under HS law you can down tools if you are worried, the unions would be happy to live on borrowed money forever - we cant afford it, they know that and you know that. Its what is wrong with unions, I realised that last time I visited Detroit (for a conference two years ago), they are like pirates "take what you can and give noting back" - only at some point the jobs go eslswhere and you have nowt
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04/01/2021 13:08:21 1 1
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Well they would say that. Another blank cheque for the taxpayer to fund.
This preaching is nothing to do with health and safety.
Schools have had nine months to conform.
Political posturing.
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04/01/2021 15:57:24 0 0
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Make the Unions Pay
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04/01/2021 16:16:45 1 0
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Yet presumably they still expect others to work in 'unsafe' workplaces, so they can have food in the shops, have their streets policed and all of the other countless jobs done that keep us functioning as a society.
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04/01/2021 18:00:15 1 0
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I was a teacher, but it seems to me that he teacher unions have set out to be as awkward as possible. This is politcally motivated.
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Ian
04/01/2021 11:17:46 7 17
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?? There will be another national lockdown.

?? So there will be disruption from Britain's Trump ?? having opened schools and then shut them within 96 hours.

?? America has got rid of their Trump. Time to get rid of ours at the next election.
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04/01/2021 11:21:50 4 5
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So you’d have preferred corbyn?
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04/01/2021 11:09:53 1 17
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Yes, furlough everyone, not just tory voters.
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04/01/2021 11:18:22 6 4
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Another lefty comment.
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04/01/2021 12:31:06 0 0
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Another nonsensical deflection. Matthew had a point. You didn't understand it.

All comments you don't agree with are "typical lefty", or "typical vegan" or "typical left-handed person".
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04/01/2021 11:16:10 24 60
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Yet that's what the right-wing Tories did back in March.

It's the only solution that doesn't result in cases continuing to skyrocket, and crippling the NHS. Yes, you need to borrow to pay for it, although national borrowing is different from personal borrowing.
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04/01/2021 11:18:48 8 4
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But they did it to save the economy from crumbling, rather than trying deliberately to destroy it. Nice try.
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04/01/2021 11:23:07 8 6
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It's your assertion that Labour want to destroy the economy - a ridiculous assertion of course. Nothing about socialism (and Labour are not that socialist since the 80s, Corbyn excepted) is about killing jobs, it's in the party name. It's about ensuring the workers get fair pay for their work, instead of it all going to the already rich and powerful.
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04/01/2021 11:13:57 158 17
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So the unions are telling teachers not to work and the TUC are telling the taxpayers to pay for it. Nuts.
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04/01/2021 11:15:51 22 6
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Now you know why the old union was called the NUT!
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04/01/2021 11:11:07 7 0
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A pessimisstic view, but you're right, tragically we do tend to make the same mistakes over and over, and I also feel sorry for everyone who has been adversely affected by this pandemic... which would be most of us, in one way, or another.

However, I don't feel any govt. we could realistically have had in the UK in 2020, would have done any better than Boris & Sage.
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04/01/2021 11:18:56 1 0
bbc
To avoid any confusion, my comment wasn't anti-govt in case that's what you had interpreted.

Considering there have been 6 or 7 pandemics since 1900 and things have still gone this badly globally I'm surprised people think that, despite all human history to the contrary, this is going to be the one we learn from.

And one man's pessimist is another man's realist.
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04/01/2021 11:13:57 158 17
bbc
So the unions are telling teachers not to work and the TUC are telling the taxpayers to pay for it. Nuts.
42
04/01/2021 11:19:46 11 13
bbc
No, they aren't telling teachers not to work. Arranging the work for homeschooling is actually more work for teachers (who also have to go in to school to teach the keyworker children), especially for the pupils that require more assistance. The teachers would far rather be in school teaching face to face.
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mc
04/01/2021 12:34:05 3 1
bbc
teachers never want to be at school but get full pay from my eperience as assistant teacher
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04/01/2021 13:43:48 0 0
bbc
Really? I've not heard or seen one of them say so.
[Perhaps they are too scared of defying their Union overlords through showing some decency and commitment to the children they teach]
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04/01/2021 18:42:41 0 0
bbc
or on the beach somewhere1
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04/01/2021 11:10:18 5 18
bbc
Oh God...here come the teacher haters
43
04/01/2021 11:19:47 2 1
bbc
Its not the teachers, it's the teacher unions.
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04/01/2021 11:29:42 1 0
bbc
Billyboy, mr thinks you need to ask yourself 'what is a 'union?'
44
04/01/2021 11:20:59 10 2
bbc
The scientists sanctions are safe. Why should the questioning and what has it to do with the TUC?
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04/01/2021 11:11:03 6 17
bbc
Tax the rich to pay for this: A tenth of people receiving more than £1m paid a lower rate than someone earning just £15,000

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capital-gains-income-tax-a9566211.html
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04/01/2021 11:21:12 0 0
bbc
Think before speaking.
36
04/01/2021 11:16:22 29 112
bbc
The unions are saying under health & safety law schools aren’t safe workplaces
46
04/01/2021 11:21:22 31 7
bbc
The government and SAGE are saying the opposite. I'll trust them thank you rather than a bunch of aging Marxists with a hidden agenda
63
04/01/2021 11:27:11 5 17
bbc
They aren’t releasing the evidence that the unions are requesting
72
04/01/2021 11:30:00 7 22
bbc
You are a fool and an idiot if you'd trust this government and what Hancock says!
36
04/01/2021 11:16:22 29 112
bbc
The unions are saying under health & safety law schools aren’t safe workplaces
47
04/01/2021 11:21:43 8 21
bbc
Spot on, its pretty clear that there a lot of people on HYS that don't understand the reason of having a union. I highly recommend the labour museum in London, a lot I wasn't aware of that made me appreciate the unions more
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04/01/2021 11:24:55 30 6
bbc
Unions used to try and improve the position of workers, which we all support. Unions long ago stopped doing that and became an agitating political force, paid generously off enforced member subscriptions.
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04/01/2021 12:39:31 5 1
bbc
I lived next door to a union leader. House worth millions, jag outside. Who did he support? Employees perhaps, on the condition he gets rich. Hypocracy of the greatest order. Much like Len!
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04/01/2021 14:05:00 0 0
bbc
You are talking of the past when they were essential but as shown time and time again from the 60s onward have had no real place in our democracy
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Ian
04/01/2021 11:17:46 7 17
bbc
?? There will be another national lockdown.

?? So there will be disruption from Britain's Trump ?? having opened schools and then shut them within 96 hours.

?? America has got rid of their Trump. Time to get rid of ours at the next election.
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04/01/2021 11:21:50 4 5
bbc
So you’d have preferred corbyn?
172
04/01/2021 12:28:31 1 0
bbc
Nonsense response. Logical fallacy, deflection, oooh look over there I'm Donald I invented the moon...
49
04/01/2021 11:21:56 39 7
bbc
People who do nothing and contribute nothing want to be paid to do nothing.

No thanks.
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04/01/2021 12:07:17 13 28
bbc
I agree. All those pensioners, disabled people, war veterans, inheritors of wealth - should all be defunded.

Union staff, however, do a very challenging job to improve the lot of their members and, vicariously, you.

Did you get an education? Thanks the unions
Did you get any holidays? Thanks the unions
Do you have a relatively safe workplace? Thanks the unions
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04/01/2021 11:11:12 66 8
bbc
I wish these people had spent at least a day working in the real world

How many SME's can do this?

We would have 60 % of our workforce on Furlough and would be able to operate

It woukld be the death knell for our company
50
04/01/2021 11:22:20 3 1
bbc
Yeah... but this is a public education system and not a business... why would you ever treat them the same
51
04/01/2021 11:22:12 17 8
bbc
Schools should never have shut in the first place!

The risk to young people is negligible and that to most teachers is also very tiny. Teachers are abusing the "save granny" excuse. Most grannies would rather take the (still small) risk to themselves than see their grandchildren's education sacrificed.

Calling for school closures further damages teachers' already very poor reputation.
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04/01/2021 11:28:27 5 1
bbc
It's not about the risk to the children. It's that they are vectors for the disease to spread from home to home - although less transmissive than older people they still transmit it, and they also mingle a lot more to encourage the spread. For older people this virus is not a 'small risk' either, I think most grannies would prefer to live until they are vaccinated to see their family again.
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04/01/2021 11:30:48 4 1
bbc
Prof Walport says children are 7 Times more likely to transmit the virus and that after the last half term infection rates dipped. However you are unlikely to believe this, as you’re clearly anti teacher and somebody I think they will ignore.
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04/01/2021 12:15:02 2 1
bbc
Fake hoax spreader again, eh?

You keep pretending that "death by virus" is the only risk. You *do* know better. You know that spreading a virus is a risk, that long covid is a risk, and that the rest of your teacher-bashing is exactly that: teacher-bashing. As you do every couple of hours on HYS.
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Rob
04/01/2021 16:13:48 1 1
bbc
Not safe for teachers to go to work other. Workers risk there lives how safe do they want it life is a risk
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04/01/2021 11:18:48 8 4
bbc
But they did it to save the economy from crumbling, rather than trying deliberately to destroy it. Nice try.
52
04/01/2021 11:23:07 8 6
bbc
It's your assertion that Labour want to destroy the economy - a ridiculous assertion of course. Nothing about socialism (and Labour are not that socialist since the 80s, Corbyn excepted) is about killing jobs, it's in the party name. It's about ensuring the workers get fair pay for their work, instead of it all going to the already rich and powerful.
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04/01/2021 11:29:27 7 8
bbc
All the evidence suggests that Labour destroys the economy. In the 1970s and then again in the 2000s. It's what they do. Spend with no idea how to create wealth. And ultimately who suffers? The least well off who Labour are supposed to protect.
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04/01/2021 13:02:58 2 0
bbc
It's as ridiculous as the claim that the Tories want to destroy the NHS. Blair did more than his share of PFI & outsourcing. The last few years (in particular) is proof that more than enough politicians across all parties are unfit for any office.
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Tex
04/01/2021 11:23:14 33 9
bbc
It is about time that the dinosaur that is the TUC was relegated to history.
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04/01/2021 12:05:27 3 12
bbc
zzz. Nothing useful to say?
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04/01/2021 11:23:18 36 17
bbc
Can someone tell me why teachers think they are a special case and deserve to never work in the classroom again and must have the vaccine before really vulnerable people - I don't hear the lovely people who have worked in my local co-op all year (meeting twice as many MOPs) bleating on so.
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04/01/2021 11:27:13 18 5
bbc
Where in the article does it say teachers are demanding the vaccine before the 'really vulnerable people'?
79
04/01/2021 11:33:19 0 3
bbc
Probably because they have a powerful union and there’s not a lot the government can do about it
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04/01/2021 12:09:53 3 0
bbc
Sure:

They work in a closed room with rotating cohorts of 30+ young children who, unmasked and behaving as you would reasonably expect for young children, they spread the virus far more quickly, far wider, and do not show symptoms the same way adults do. They may well have siblings that attend other schools, multiplying the infection vector exponentially.

DId you *ask* at the local co-op? No.
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04/01/2021 14:24:37 1 0
bbc
All people who necessarily have to have close contact with many people should be treated as priority for the vaccine. Teachers included, but let's not pretend they're a uniquely special case, there are so many other people we rely on. Most of those on the front line are often the least well rewarded in comparison with the unavoidable risks they take.
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Rob
04/01/2021 16:01:24 0 1
bbc
I agree stop paying them they been soon be back at work
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04/01/2021 18:05:53 0 0
bbc
The teacher don't think they are a special case.
They are not saying they should never work in the classroom again. Where did you get this from?
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04/01/2021 18:42:47 0 0
bbc
Shops should ban teachers from their stores
404
04/01/2021 18:49:03 0 0
bbc
actually teachers do not want the vaccine as it would remove their excuse for not working (until they found another)
55
04/01/2021 11:24:05 38 7
bbc
Union wants taxpayers to pay for the childcare responsibilities of its members. Same union makes no mention how its members will pay back the taxpayers.
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04/01/2021 11:25:58 12 6
bbc
Furlough money isn't a loan!
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04/01/2021 11:32:10 5 1
bbc
Um , by paying tax.

Which they wouldn’t be able to do if they become unemployed because they were fired for taking time off to look after their kids.

I’m no fan of unions , but even a blind squirrel will find a nut occasionally. To attack a sensible point ( no one should be fired if they need time off to look after kids if schools close) just because it’s a union saying it is stupid.
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04/01/2021 12:05:15 1 1
bbc
To rephrase:

Unions does it's job
Union reminds employers about the urles that the government created
Union does not attempt to do governments job
Union fails to clean my car

Does anyone "pay back" the taxpayers? No.
Why do you pretend to imagine that union members should do so?
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04/01/2021 11:11:03 6 17
bbc
Tax the rich to pay for this: A tenth of people receiving more than £1m paid a lower rate than someone earning just £15,000

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capital-gains-income-tax-a9566211.html
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04/01/2021 11:24:22 0 1
bbc
You want a German level of welfare , then pay for it German style ie. everyone pays c35% more tax than their Uk equivalent. Not for me, thanks.
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04/01/2021 11:13:34 9 65
bbc
How are your employees dealing with it right now? If they can work from home, are you expecting them to still put in an 8 hour day (+ unpaid overtime) AND do the childcare and schooling on top of that?
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04/01/2021 11:24:23 12 1
bbc
who said anything about unpaid overtime?

Staff cannot work from home as we distribute and deliver cleaning supplies and PPE to local hospitals, care homes doctors, schools amonmgst others. I am sure they would understand if we told them we couldnt deliver to these places because the TUC and said all workers with children at school should be furloughed
23
04/01/2021 11:11:03 6 17
bbc
Tax the rich to pay for this: A tenth of people receiving more than £1m paid a lower rate than someone earning just £15,000

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capital-gains-income-tax-a9566211.html
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04/01/2021 11:24:31 0 1
bbc
Capital gains is not the same as income tax. I originally thought you obviously knew this but if you are a far leftie you probably don't/
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04/01/2021 11:21:43 8 21
bbc
Spot on, its pretty clear that there a lot of people on HYS that don't understand the reason of having a union. I highly recommend the labour museum in London, a lot I wasn't aware of that made me appreciate the unions more
59
04/01/2021 11:24:55 30 6
bbc
Unions used to try and improve the position of workers, which we all support. Unions long ago stopped doing that and became an agitating political force, paid generously off enforced member subscriptions.
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04/01/2021 11:55:32 1 3
bbc
Improving the position of workers is and always has been a political agenda, and perfectly legitimate. You might not agree with their ambitions or what they say, which is also legitimate.

When did Unions stop representing their members interests? Citation needed.

Your anti-union agenda, and frequent baseless slanders, are strikingly similar to Donald Trump's outbursts.
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04/01/2021 11:24:05 38 7
bbc
Union wants taxpayers to pay for the childcare responsibilities of its members. Same union makes no mention how its members will pay back the taxpayers.
60
04/01/2021 11:25:58 12 6
bbc
Furlough money isn't a loan!
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04/01/2021 11:39:22 5 2
bbc
Technically not true, the money is being borrowed and will have to be paid back, therefore a loan.
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tc
04/01/2021 11:26:01 8 3
bbc
....At the end of the day when all this is over...SOMEBODY is going to have to pay...

...Don't whinge & moan when that has to happen....

......the Dodo used to sit in the Money Tree
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04/01/2021 11:41:30 2 3
bbc
We are borrowing at zero rates on the financial markets. UK borrowing is historically low anyway !!
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04/01/2021 11:24:38 67 9
bbc
Why don't the TUC and all individual unions show some social responsibility of their own and pay all the costs of furlough to employees out of the income received from the union membership subs they receive monthly? Of course they won't, will they?
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04/01/2021 11:39:07 29 7
bbc
Subs are not high enough to do that, but they could at least offer to contribute a percentage. Mind you, they collect enough subs to pay union leaders a handsome wage and other perks though. Funny that, it's almost like they're a business and the same rules of scale and economics apply equally to them too. Who would have thought it.
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04/01/2021 11:40:21 0 5
bbc
Errr. because they're not the employer. And it doesn't cost the employer anyway !!
121
04/01/2021 12:00:22 1 2
bbc
What an absurd comment. You managed to contort some faux outrage that the TUC doesn't choose to embezzzle it's own funds and spend them on something that is already well-funded by the proper authorities.

Why doesn't Battersea Dogs Home pay for my furlough? Exact same argument - and equally absurd.
46
04/01/2021 11:21:22 31 7
bbc
The government and SAGE are saying the opposite. I'll trust them thank you rather than a bunch of aging Marxists with a hidden agenda
63
04/01/2021 11:27:11 5 17
bbc
They aren’t releasing the evidence that the unions are requesting
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04/01/2021 11:23:18 36 17
bbc
Can someone tell me why teachers think they are a special case and deserve to never work in the classroom again and must have the vaccine before really vulnerable people - I don't hear the lovely people who have worked in my local co-op all year (meeting twice as many MOPs) bleating on so.
64
04/01/2021 11:27:13 18 5
bbc
Where in the article does it say teachers are demanding the vaccine before the 'really vulnerable people'?
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04/01/2021 11:27:37 8 4
bbc
You’d think she’d put her teeth in b4 speaking.
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04/01/2021 11:22:12 17 8
bbc
Schools should never have shut in the first place!

The risk to young people is negligible and that to most teachers is also very tiny. Teachers are abusing the "save granny" excuse. Most grannies would rather take the (still small) risk to themselves than see their grandchildren's education sacrificed.

Calling for school closures further damages teachers' already very poor reputation.
66
04/01/2021 11:28:27 5 1
bbc
It's not about the risk to the children. It's that they are vectors for the disease to spread from home to home - although less transmissive than older people they still transmit it, and they also mingle a lot more to encourage the spread. For older people this virus is not a 'small risk' either, I think most grannies would prefer to live until they are vaccinated to see their family again.
81
04/01/2021 11:34:00 2 0
bbc
If SAGE say the opposite I'll support their view rather than the amateur epidemiological views of an organisation that has a hidden agenda and ulterior motives.
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04/01/2021 11:39:31 1 1
bbc
Last time I saw any reports on this there was no evidence that teachers were more likely to have caught covid than any other group with a similar age profile
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04/01/2021 11:11:18 90 9
bbc
Please someone furlough Frances O'Grady
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04/01/2021 11:28:33 63 5
bbc
Permanently
25
04/01/2021 11:11:12 66 8
bbc
I wish these people had spent at least a day working in the real world

How many SME's can do this?

We would have 60 % of our workforce on Furlough and would be able to operate

It woukld be the death knell for our company
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04/01/2021 11:26:30 13 0
bbc
"I wish these people had spent at least a day working in the real world"

Bang on! I went into teaching after working 20 very successful years in software development, many in the "take no prisoners" City, where I thrived. The mentality of those who have never worked in the real world is appalling.
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04/01/2021 11:23:07 8 6
bbc
It's your assertion that Labour want to destroy the economy - a ridiculous assertion of course. Nothing about socialism (and Labour are not that socialist since the 80s, Corbyn excepted) is about killing jobs, it's in the party name. It's about ensuring the workers get fair pay for their work, instead of it all going to the already rich and powerful.
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04/01/2021 11:29:27 7 8
bbc
All the evidence suggests that Labour destroys the economy. In the 1970s and then again in the 2000s. It's what they do. Spend with no idea how to create wealth. And ultimately who suffers? The least well off who Labour are supposed to protect.
77
04/01/2021 11:32:53 6 4
bbc
aye, cos the least well off were well protected by the Cameron Conservative years.

Give me a break!
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04/01/2021 11:29:33 9 4
bbc
Do businesses have a say in this TUC!
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04/01/2021 12:13:39 1 0
bbc
Yes they do. They can equally put their side of this suggestion.

Would you prefer that one lawyer did the prosecution AND the defense in court cases?
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04/01/2021 11:19:47 2 1
bbc
Its not the teachers, it's the teacher unions.
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04/01/2021 11:29:42 1 0
bbc
Billyboy, mr thinks you need to ask yourself 'what is a 'union?'
46
04/01/2021 11:21:22 31 7
bbc
The government and SAGE are saying the opposite. I'll trust them thank you rather than a bunch of aging Marxists with a hidden agenda
72
04/01/2021 11:30:00 7 22
bbc
You are a fool and an idiot if you'd trust this government and what Hancock says!
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04/01/2021 11:39:31 6 1
bbc
Happy to be a fool and an idiot. Thanks.
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04/01/2021 11:16:22 29 112
bbc
The unions are saying under health & safety law schools aren’t safe workplaces
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04/01/2021 11:30:48 21 4
bbc
And their proof is?

I suspect schools are on the whole, a lot safer as a workplace than an NHS hospital or a supermarket. At least the school class is a fixed size group of the same children and they're known (and easily tracible), that's not true for either of the others.

Can't blame them for protecting their members, but can blame them for appalling, irresponsible tactics.
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04/01/2021 11:38:21 4 0
bbc
In the NHS you expect an environment where diseases are present. Fair point about shops. Pity they didn’t have someone to speak out for them
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04/01/2021 11:56:50 1 2
bbc
Asking for proof requires it to be already too late. Your suspocion on schools being safer that some places may be correct, but they are far sight less safe than staying at home.

What's so appalling about their request?
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04/01/2021 11:22:12 17 8
bbc
Schools should never have shut in the first place!

The risk to young people is negligible and that to most teachers is also very tiny. Teachers are abusing the "save granny" excuse. Most grannies would rather take the (still small) risk to themselves than see their grandchildren's education sacrificed.

Calling for school closures further damages teachers' already very poor reputation.
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04/01/2021 11:30:48 4 1
bbc
Prof Walport says children are 7 Times more likely to transmit the virus and that after the last half term infection rates dipped. However you are unlikely to believe this, as you’re clearly anti teacher and somebody I think they will ignore.
55
04/01/2021 11:24:05 38 7
bbc
Union wants taxpayers to pay for the childcare responsibilities of its members. Same union makes no mention how its members will pay back the taxpayers.
75
04/01/2021 11:32:10 5 1
bbc
Um , by paying tax.

Which they wouldn’t be able to do if they become unemployed because they were fired for taking time off to look after their kids.

I’m no fan of unions , but even a blind squirrel will find a nut occasionally. To attack a sensible point ( no one should be fired if they need time off to look after kids if schools close) just because it’s a union saying it is stupid.
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04/01/2021 12:47:40 2 2
bbc
So if you furlough all the parents who do you think is going to do all the work?? This is the most insane idea I have ever heard. Schools aren't dangerous this is just the Unions demanding extra privileges while the rest of us suffer!
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04/01/2021 11:32:13 17 6
bbc
The unions are not concerned about their members they are more concerned about their members contribution to the union pot. Quit being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.
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04/01/2021 11:45:29 4 4
bbc
100%! Thats always been the case, union income not about the members!
Kick up a fuss over something occasionally so the public feel something and want to sign up to support them!
Strikes are about bolstering Union income and membership, the only time you'll get a strike is when membership is down or the unions are skint!
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04/01/2021 11:29:27 7 8
bbc
All the evidence suggests that Labour destroys the economy. In the 1970s and then again in the 2000s. It's what they do. Spend with no idea how to create wealth. And ultimately who suffers? The least well off who Labour are supposed to protect.
77
04/01/2021 11:32:53 6 4
bbc
aye, cos the least well off were well protected by the Cameron Conservative years.

Give me a break!
You've made my point for me albeit inadvertently. The excesses of Blair/Brown and 13 years of Labour had to be corrected by the incoming Tory Government which yet again rescued the UK from Labour's failed spending fiascos.
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04/01/2021 11:33:14 3 3
bbc
It's obvious from the figures that school kids are vectors for transmission.
Open the schools & infection spreads; a mixing pot, which the children then take home, so the cycle continues.

In the middle of this you have the teachers; not all are sprightly spring chickens. Some consideration has to be made.

Schools have may benefits, education just one of them. And Childcare, essentially.
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04/01/2021 15:17:09 1 0
bbc
All mixing is a vector for transmission, but some mixing is for more necessary and worthy reasons than others: Nourishment, health, warmth, education are clearly high up the priority list. Long trips to national parks or for eye tests clearly are not. Childcare is a parental responsibility, it doesn't require the skill of a teacher for that.
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04/01/2021 11:23:18 36 17
bbc
Can someone tell me why teachers think they are a special case and deserve to never work in the classroom again and must have the vaccine before really vulnerable people - I don't hear the lovely people who have worked in my local co-op all year (meeting twice as many MOPs) bleating on so.
79
04/01/2021 11:33:19 0 3
bbc
Probably because they have a powerful union and there’s not a lot the government can do about it
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tc
04/01/2021 11:33:56 5 7
bbc
ref JudjeJ

..Teachers as 'special'??

...My son- in law...early thirties, caught Covid the same week his daughter was born...It blew him out of the water....spending 2 weeks in a room with a window open while my daughter was **** scared she was going to get it.

...HE TEACHES 7 Yr OLDS!...

10 months on ....WE KNOW PRECISELY....ZERO ...ABOUT HOW YOUNGSTERS/TEENAGERS PASS ON THIS INFECTION ON.
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04/01/2021 11:41:46 5 3
bbc
SAGE and the worldwide scientific community have proved beyond doubt that children are no more transmissive than anyone else.
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04/01/2021 12:06:54 0 1
bbc
There will always be anecdotal cases but we need to look at the statistics. Statistically teachers are at no greater risk than general public. And how do you know your son in law hasn't caught it from places outside schools?
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04/01/2021 11:28:27 5 1
bbc
It's not about the risk to the children. It's that they are vectors for the disease to spread from home to home - although less transmissive than older people they still transmit it, and they also mingle a lot more to encourage the spread. For older people this virus is not a 'small risk' either, I think most grannies would prefer to live until they are vaccinated to see their family again.
81
04/01/2021 11:34:00 2 0
bbc
If SAGE say the opposite I'll support their view rather than the amateur epidemiological views of an organisation that has a hidden agenda and ulterior motives.
29
04/01/2021 11:13:34 9 65
bbc
How are your employees dealing with it right now? If they can work from home, are you expecting them to still put in an 8 hour day (+ unpaid overtime) AND do the childcare and schooling on top of that?
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04/01/2021 11:34:15 7 2
bbc
Yes we expect parents to look after their children.

Why should the minority, who can't afford the privilege of having a child have to pay for your privilege
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04/01/2021 12:52:05 5 0
bbc
So how do parents look after the children, if the schools are closed, but they (parents) are expected to go to their workplace? You cannot leave a six year old at home alone
34
04/01/2021 11:14:55 176 21
bbc
Why? As a front line worker in my 60s I have worked all the way through, very little PPE for 6 months, just got on with it. Stop bleating, roll your sleeves up and carry on.
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04/01/2021 11:36:07 21 50
bbc
The country has realised we cannot do without a lot of modestly paid key workers... Do you keep working for what you’re getting? or are you going to demand better?
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04/01/2021 12:25:15 4 12
bbc
We can do without you, it just means more older people will die, the question is are you going to use their lives as a means to ransom a payrise? Do not make the mistake of assuming that these lockdowns are the only option, many have lost jobs so pay could be going down soon when every job has hundreds of applicants...
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04/01/2021 12:53:41 9 6
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You get on with it. This greedy attitude of wanting ever more money is not acceptable. It makes no difference to the work done. Key worker drivel, it covers almost everyone, supermarket workers, power companies, telecommunications, sewerage etc., missed a lot sooner than the nhs or teachers.
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04/01/2021 13:08:25 5 2
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Yes, but there is over supply of them, so provided we don't make life too easy on the dole there will always be enough people prepared to do it a sensible rate. Supply & demand controls wages and is the reason we should not have a minimum wage. Trying to buck the laws of economics never works.
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04/01/2021 11:36:11 6 3
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Though Unions where there for working people, seems they are now there for NONE working people.

If your business is not one that has had to close due to the restrictions then that would mean you should be deemed as an essential worker and send your kids to school, or are the unions proposing to close schools entirely ?
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04/01/2021 11:36:38 12 2
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I also think they should furlough Supermarket workers as clearly they are at risk of people passing them the virus - I also assume these furloughed mums and dads will not allow their children to mix with any other children
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04/01/2021 11:36:39 21 6
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This is about the teaching Unions bashing the Government - which is top of their agenda - very irresponsible - teachers should leave their unions in droves- until Unions actually represent the workers rather than the Labour Party.
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04/01/2021 11:42:31 14 4
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The unions have NEVER represented the workers!
Its always about how much THEY can make and about a bit of press!
I was a member once and was injured at work, the union couldn't care less!
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04/01/2021 11:35:24 29 8
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This promotes laziness. Kids should be in school, parents should be at work.
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04/01/2021 12:10:32 6 6
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Laziness of thought, or of having not understood anything for the past 12 months about a virus?
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04/01/2021 16:17:38 0 0
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No. Parents want children and as such 1 parent should stay at home looking after their children, educating and bringing that child up. BUT in the creedy society we now live in parents want everything, new house, 2 new cars, lots of holidays etc. Many children see more of their child minder than they do their actual parents. I know, my sister-in-law is making a mint out of child minding.
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04/01/2021 11:30:48 21 4
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And their proof is?

I suspect schools are on the whole, a lot safer as a workplace than an NHS hospital or a supermarket. At least the school class is a fixed size group of the same children and they're known (and easily tracible), that's not true for either of the others.

Can't blame them for protecting their members, but can blame them for appalling, irresponsible tactics.
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04/01/2021 11:38:21 4 0
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In the NHS you expect an environment where diseases are present. Fair point about shops. Pity they didn’t have someone to speak out for them
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04/01/2021 11:57:52 1 1
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Without the NHS & supermarket workers, we all including union leaders would have a prospect of death through disease, or starvation. Maybe it's time the lower risk environment of the teacher is reflected in pay and conditions or do unions have access to unusually comprehensive private healthcare & exclusive grocery provisions. Government may be handling it badly, no need for unions to do the same.
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04/01/2021 16:16:54 1 0
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Indeed, if shop workers had a union like the teachers, children could be both uneducated and starving that is if Covid didn't get them first because the NHS staff with children were all staying at home because the schools were closed.
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04/01/2021 11:24:38 67 9
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Why don't the TUC and all individual unions show some social responsibility of their own and pay all the costs of furlough to employees out of the income received from the union membership subs they receive monthly? Of course they won't, will they?
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04/01/2021 11:39:07 29 7
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Subs are not high enough to do that, but they could at least offer to contribute a percentage. Mind you, they collect enough subs to pay union leaders a handsome wage and other perks though. Funny that, it's almost like they're a business and the same rules of scale and economics apply equally to them too. Who would have thought it.
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04/01/2021 11:25:58 12 6
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Furlough money isn't a loan!
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04/01/2021 11:39:22 5 2
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Technically not true, the money is being borrowed and will have to be paid back, therefore a loan.
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04/01/2021 11:30:00 7 22
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You are a fool and an idiot if you'd trust this government and what Hancock says!
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04/01/2021 11:39:31 6 1
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Happy to be a fool and an idiot. Thanks.
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04/01/2021 11:28:27 5 1
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It's not about the risk to the children. It's that they are vectors for the disease to spread from home to home - although less transmissive than older people they still transmit it, and they also mingle a lot more to encourage the spread. For older people this virus is not a 'small risk' either, I think most grannies would prefer to live until they are vaccinated to see their family again.
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04/01/2021 11:39:31 1 1
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Last time I saw any reports on this there was no evidence that teachers were more likely to have caught covid than any other group with a similar age profile
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04/01/2021 11:24:38 67 9
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Why don't the TUC and all individual unions show some social responsibility of their own and pay all the costs of furlough to employees out of the income received from the union membership subs they receive monthly? Of course they won't, will they?
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04/01/2021 11:40:21 0 5
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Errr. because they're not the employer. And it doesn't cost the employer anyway !!
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04/01/2021 13:18:09 2 1
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No it costs all of us! Well those of us who actually pay tax.

Union paid for grace & favour accommodation + other perks, very nice too. Unions should work with employers & government sometimes, not forever in irresponsible opposition as seems to be the case.
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04/01/2021 11:40:50 5 3
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So while all the people lucky enough to have children sit at home the ones that can't or font have children have to take on their workload! Sure, because thats fair right enough!
Furlough everyone and shutdown or furlough no one!
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04/01/2021 12:19:57 1 0
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So, while those is certain risk groups get appropriate mitigation, others in different risk groups should get different yet similarly-appropriate mitigation

Surely that's right. Not equal but fair.

Your rant pretends that there is a common, homogenous "workload" as if the whole population was shovelling sand around. Try again, with added thought.
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04/01/2021 11:26:01 8 3
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....At the end of the day when all this is over...SOMEBODY is going to have to pay...

...Don't whinge & moan when that has to happen....

......the Dodo used to sit in the Money Tree
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04/01/2021 11:41:30 2 3
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We are borrowing at zero rates on the financial markets. UK borrowing is historically low anyway !!
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04/01/2021 11:33:56 5 7
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ref JudjeJ

..Teachers as 'special'??

...My son- in law...early thirties, caught Covid the same week his daughter was born...It blew him out of the water....spending 2 weeks in a room with a window open while my daughter was **** scared she was going to get it.

...HE TEACHES 7 Yr OLDS!...

10 months on ....WE KNOW PRECISELY....ZERO ...ABOUT HOW YOUNGSTERS/TEENAGERS PASS ON THIS INFECTION ON.
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04/01/2021 11:41:46 5 3
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SAGE and the worldwide scientific community have proved beyond doubt that children are no more transmissive than anyone else.
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04/01/2021 11:50:11 2 0
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Rubbish. Children transmit the virus 7 times more than adults
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04/01/2021 12:23:14 1 0
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Evidence please.
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04/01/2021 11:42:17 3 8
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It's a sad state of affairs reading the attacks against the unions and teachers from joe public! They aren't the enemy!
HMG handed out millions on failed PPE contracts, wasted billions on failed projects so why cant we pay teachers who are at risk? Are we ok giving money to the filthy rich but not to people who actually need it? What has happened to Britain, the divide is now complete.. I dispair.
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04/01/2021 11:49:05 4 2
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Teachers are paid
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04/01/2021 11:58:10 3 2
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Think you’ll find a lot of attacks are not “Joe public” but Tory bot farm employees.

I notice none of them critical of GOVERNMENT spokesman on this article “ we ask employers to take into account employees childcare responsibility & consider requests to be furloughed whenever possible” that echoes TUC’s view.
But that would require reading article not just knee jerk attack anything TUC says.
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04/01/2021 12:02:03 1 0
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It is sad. There is a Shortage of teachers with many leaving within the first five years, massive amounts of taxpayers money goes into recruiting and training them. These sort of comments just make it harder to recruit and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot, because it costs more taxpayers money Recruit, train and retain.
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04/01/2021 12:45:57 1 0
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Typical hindsight comment .......... every day at the start of the pandemic the government were being battered hourly by the media with Where's the ppe; why don't you order it NOW; cost and red tape cannot be a factor, we want it NOW. So they cut some of the corners and got it sorted but the at a cost. The biggest problem in the tackling this pandemic is the nasty, lefty Media Doommongers.
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04/01/2021 11:36:39 21 6
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This is about the teaching Unions bashing the Government - which is top of their agenda - very irresponsible - teachers should leave their unions in droves- until Unions actually represent the workers rather than the Labour Party.
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04/01/2021 11:42:31 14 4
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The unions have NEVER represented the workers!
Its always about how much THEY can make and about a bit of press!
I was a member once and was injured at work, the union couldn't care less!
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04/01/2021 12:12:33 2 1
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Sample: 1 member
Incidents: 1 injury
Union help offered: None

Therefore all unions ever in the history of all mankind are 100% total wasters. Right?
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04/01/2021 11:10:07 122 16
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It's shameful trying to make party political capital out of a national health crisis.
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04/01/2021 11:42:55 91 13
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Predictable TUC response.

Stand on the sidelines, shouting a mixture of abuse and naivety with no real responsibility for the outcome.
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04/01/2021 11:42:55 13 3
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You would be forgiven if you misunderstood the point of the unions

If you didn't know any better you'd have thought their objective was to work as little as possible. Maybe it is
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04/01/2021 11:47:52 12 4
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Thats what happened at Time Ex in Dundee in Scotland! So many strikes they went bust and everyone lost their job!
Google it!