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The UK's hard-fought agreement with the EU is set to come into force at 23:00 GMT on Thursday.
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Can we now make this the final HYS on this subject. The conversation is often toxic...
Great idea but I doubt the BBC being full of remainers will let that happen
Well said ... time to move on
I dare say a great many Brexit supporters would LOVE people to stop talking about Brexit. They're probably getting pretty nervous. We were promised great things in the referendum if we left the EU. Now it's time to deliver.
There's no running away, no blaming remainers, no blaming the EU, what ever happens in the next few years is what Brexit supporters voted for.
There's no running away, no blaming remainers, no blaming the EU, what ever happens in the next few years is what Brexit supporters voted for.
The border queues into the EU will be really toxic. Will have plenty of time to vent frustrations on a HYS lol.
Why because you don't want to face reality ? Brexit is a growing fiasco. It is just starting
Yes please
Sadly as all the problems with this deal really start to surface over the coming months, there will a load of hys on the subject.
"Can we now make this the final HYS on this subject. "
No I think they are helpful to federalists. They lost to the people they've been looking down on their whole lives so need to vent their anger.
It is far better they do it in safe environment* like this.
*By all means call me names it if helps, it won't change anything but it might make you feel better
No I think they are helpful to federalists. They lost to the people they've been looking down on their whole lives so need to vent their anger.
It is far better they do it in safe environment* like this.
*By all means call me names it if helps, it won't change anything but it might make you feel better
I'm fairly certain we are funding Laura's pension pot...!
No, because, the repercussions will all around us, indefinitely..! And worthy of comment!
That’s exactly what I thought as I picked up my phone this morning. After days of no HYS, my heart actually sank when I saw this one open but so far, so good ??
great so we can just pretend you haven't damaged the country
er no
er no
It's Brexit that's toxic; the conversation flows from that.
No. Brexiters need to be reminded daily of the damage they have done to this country.
That is because our departure from the EU is Toxic and given that the UK is still pretty much divided down the middle over the issue it is far from over and remains unfinished business.
Brexit done
Got cake now eating it
Remain get over it
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Got cake now eating it
Remain get over it
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no you didnt its a sell out of uk fishermen
And what happens when you have eaten it all? You won't have any cake left... still impossible to have your cake AND eat it.
As a remain voter who accepted the outcome, this is better than no deal, but there is still no reason to gloat like you are... surely better to try to move forward as a united nation rather than being divided??
Let's hope 2021 brings some unity and peace and love.
As a remain voter who accepted the outcome, this is better than no deal, but there is still no reason to gloat like you are... surely better to try to move forward as a united nation rather than being divided??
Let's hope 2021 brings some unity and peace and love.
Wait for the small print my friend. Have you understood the impact on our financial sector? The effects on our security? Do you really believe (BJ a proven liar), on documentation for trade? Sovereignty as the compensating factor, can you rationalise this for the rest of us?
"Brexit done
Got cake now eating it"
Then you obviously haven't understood it.
Got cake now eating it"
Then you obviously haven't understood it.
Onwards and upwards. Regardless of what people think of Brexit it is time to move forward.
Not sure the media will agree though - they will have to dig for other gloom and doom stories now.
Not sure the media will agree though - they will have to dig for other gloom and doom stories now.
yes tory corruption next
I am afraid the next gloom and doom story will be the Scottish Elections in May. SNP win and another indy referendum.
Won’t happen under Boris. He is to toxic after all this and needs to go.
Let's have a bet on how many lies brexiters are going to tell from now on. Every time the government does something they could perfectly well have done inside the Eu, they will lie and say they can do it because we're not in the EU.
They already did with the vaccine.
They are lying about being free of "Brussels control" as if the UK hadn't signed up to anything with the EU and with others.
They already did with the vaccine.
They are lying about being free of "Brussels control" as if the UK hadn't signed up to anything with the EU and with others.
How do we move forward?
We've just replaced a fantastic trade deal with something that makes trade with our biggest export market a lot harder and more expensive.
We've just lot a chunk of our freedom. Want to retire to Spain? Want to work in Europe for a while? Forget it.
The list goes on. We've lost so much and gained virtually nothing.
We've just replaced a fantastic trade deal with something that makes trade with our biggest export market a lot harder and more expensive.
We've just lot a chunk of our freedom. Want to retire to Spain? Want to work in Europe for a while? Forget it.
The list goes on. We've lost so much and gained virtually nothing.
The media won't have to dig very far when there are another million unemployed added to the 820,000 already announced.
Let's hope tangible benefits replace Brexiteers hollow promises. But I doubt it somehow.
Onwards yes, upwards - we will need to wait & see. Careful what you wish for PM, from here on any errors are yours; you will no longer be able to look to Brussels for a scapegoat. If once you have 'had your cake & eaten it', it makes you sick, 'physician heal thyself'. Finally .. I want you to stay around to deal with any fallout, not skulk away like Cameron and leave others to clean up your mess.
They found their story with "the Virus". Give them another four years or more with that at our worse expense.
So why does Bozo continue to lie about "his deal" and the contents then?
I know that parliament was stuck between a rock and a hard place on voting for the deal, at least is is better than no deal, but is is still not what the liar promissed the country
I know that parliament was stuck between a rock and a hard place on voting for the deal, at least is is better than no deal, but is is still not what the liar promissed the country
Move forward into what? A world made more sinister and protracted by fake news?
This isn't Brexit, the Tories and their media would love us to move on from their utter betrayal but we will not.
The utter contempt the Tories have for the democratic vote to Leave must never be forgotten.
The utter contempt the Tories have for the democratic vote to Leave must never be forgotten.
What ? You think Daily Excess, Wail and Torygaph will be keen critics ?!
Free to approve the Oxford Covid vaccine before the EU burocrats have even opened a file on it.
Sounds an awful lot like "Why should we spend time discussing who crashed into who in this accident? Can't we just move on?"
If you voted for this dog's dinner, have the backbone to own it!
If you voted for this dog's dinner, have the backbone to own it!
Which is why the BBC have opened commenting on HYS - they won’t give up on the digging !
And how do you propose we do that without free movement ?
Yes now is the time to all pull together and start the process of rejoining.
The stock market has tanked. It’s not just the media who see this as unnecessary dumbest own goal in history.
Quite right. Time to move on. New year, new deals, new vaccine, new Prime Minister.
Could not agree more with your comments. Let’s all hope and pray that everyone just looks forward now.
With all due respect, your moniker suggests you’re leaving the country. So I’m not sure you’re in a position to tell those of us who are staying that we should put up and shut up.
It is really depressing to see that 118 people have voted down your comment. Do they really want to move backwards and spread more doom and gloom? - It would certainly seem so :(
The only merit of the trade deal signed into law yesterday is that it’s better than trading with EU on WTO terms. Give it a few years and even the most fervent Brexit supporters will recognise the folly of Brexit.
Moving forward, I need a new username. None of us can blame the EU now. We have "taken back control" of all that happens in the UK. The government, and the voters who employed them as the government, are now 100% accountable for future successes and failures.
Will HYS Tory voters move forward and take ownership of the failures? I doubt it. And so my new username will be: "Who will they blame now"
Will HYS Tory voters move forward and take ownership of the failures? I doubt it. And so my new username will be: "Who will they blame now"
Correct ...... draw a line and move on in a spirit of reconciliation.
I cannot see any possibility of optimism on the economic front . Unlike people like you I don't believe in Unicorns or Fairy Land , just hard often unpleasant facts ! Those facts tell me that Brexit will be a disaster
No, the consequences of this are just beginning. It's far from over - quite the reverse..
What for, for making the nation poorer and handing a mountain of Red tape on business?
dont be silly
Oh, the New Year jokes have begun..!
Can we now make this the final HYS on this subject. The conversation is often toxic...
The irony, people like you are the major reason for the chronic toxicity, I predict within a year you too will be a rejoiner. It is not game over mate, you just won the first set.
I think that's exactly the type of toxic comment ReallyAngry would like to see gone...
This is true they haven't even mentioned the EU burocracy requires another 6 weeks to approve the Oxford vaccine.
Stick to your daily mail echo chamber then
The UK is full of remainers now. The gammons have been dying off hand over fist. Hopefully we can rejoin the EU soon.
I hear this so often. Whilst the BBC may be lefties, the political news team is not. They're not ranting by any means but they are definitely right of centre.
Happy 2021 everyone.
Lets all move on from Brexit & Covid and learn to love each other more.
Pax et Bonum.
Lets all move on from Brexit & Covid and learn to love each other more.
Pax et Bonum.
O great Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep sends his best wishes for 2021.
‘Love each other!’
We can’t even meet each other and as for moving on!
We can’t even meet each other and as for moving on!
Hard luck. They are going to be with us for years.
We can dream...
yes put all the energy spent whinning about brexit into following the covid protocol and asking God to save us all
Learn to love racist brexiters again? Not a chance mate. Now sit back and watch the UK slowly break up as a direct result of their actions...... ill put the popcorn on
Can we now make this the final HYS on this subject. The conversation is often toxic...
A total farce driven by Ministers who have hijacked Democracy in this country.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
That really did make me laugh, well said....
Absolutely gutted for the BBC the end is nigh for it heads will roll and deserve to.
The BBC are partly responsible for this unmitigated disaster. Giving an equal platform to qualified experts in international commerce, alongside moronic little-englander back bench MPs (in the name of "balance) was always reckless and stupid.
A responsible public broadcasting service would have promoted facts over fantasy.
A responsible public broadcasting service would have promoted facts over fantasy.
Brilliant!!!!!!
this is a terrible betrayal to all brexiteers still allowing foreign vessels to invade our waters,i always said johnson would concede on this issue but failure to deliver for finance is a shocking way to treat our huge economy that heavily relies on these companies,its all sovereignty that matters to the tories and not the nation,johnsons comment about business is true,he doesnt care about us/
How is this well said? do you have any idea of which you speak?
Why should we pay the BBC licence fee if it's not going to write pro-Brexit News?
If you watch Sky News they are more inclusive; they always include a racist story for the racists; a sexist story for the sexists.
That's what we want more news supporting our own prejudices.
If you watch Sky News they are more inclusive; they always include a racist story for the racists; a sexist story for the sexists.
That's what we want more news supporting our own prejudices.
Amazingly 73 MP Lib-Dems, SNP etc voted for a 'No Deal' Brexit yesterday.
If only I'd known they were on my side all along...
If only I'd known they were on my side all along...
No deal would have been on your side - so you didn't get what you voted for then?
They voted on principle. They reject brexit fiasco. They knew that the government had the numbers anyway.
No Deal was not on the table. It was a vote for the trade deal Boris and his cohorts had set up. It broke so many promises as usual. Dissolve the useless UK Union.
It was a vote to extend transition period until: 1. the 1200 page deal can be democratically reviewed by our supposedly sovereign parliament ; and 2. To give government more time to deliver what they promised and save uk jobs and taxes that will be lost under this surrender to the EU.
The SNP is playing its usual devious & mendacious game. Nicola Sturgeon has been harping on about how a deal [any deal] is essential for Scotland, but when she gets one she whines. The SNP knew the bill would be passed, so despite actually getting what they want, they vote against to so as to blame somebody else and say "we didn't vote for it - it's another imposition from Westminster".
Gosh what a simpleton you must be. Tories always had the numbers to take this through, regardless of other parties. This was about taking ownership of intentionally making the UK poorer. Nothing to do with voting for No Deal. Your comment is disingenuous. But you are a Leaver so hardly unexpected that you struggle with the detail.
A few rejoiners on here making quite reasonable points against this comment.
Can I just point out the poster was making a joke, and a good one at that.
Perhaps with everything that's going on, finding a good sense of humour should be our New Year's resolution
Can I just point out the poster was making a joke, and a good one at that.
Perhaps with everything that's going on, finding a good sense of humour should be our New Year's resolution
The alternative was being touted as No Deal in order to frighten people. The European Parliaments are going to examine this deal in the next 2-3 months and then decide on it. There could have been another short period for further examination
Rushing it through at the last minute was only ever the plan to ensure that MPs didn't know the full import of what they were voting for.
Rushing it through at the last minute was only ever the plan to ensure that MPs didn't know the full import of what they were voting for.
They did vote for no deal, the voted against clown Boris’ sell out
Whereas in fact none of them actually voted for 'no deal', the vote was for a 'deal' and they didn't vote for that either. Four and a half years and you still cant grasp the basics. Priceless!
Sturgeon & SNP had said publicly they would vote against a 'no deal' brexit, they wanted a negotiated deal, then go & vote against a negotiated deal! You couldn't make it up, but on second thoughts i suppose you could with a party as awkward as the SNP. SNP called for Cummins sacking but dont sack SNP MP Ms Ferrier even though she'd tested positive & travelled Scotland to London & back by train
I gave up up when the buffoon Blackford (SNP) got to his feet - what a bag of hot air that man is.
Not a perfect deal by any means but about the best we could hope for and I'd already made plans for WTO operations next year so a "plus" for me.
Not a perfect deal by any means but about the best we could hope for and I'd already made plans for WTO operations next year so a "plus" for me.
No deal was not discussed and not voted for. Or are you suggesting No Deal was just an empty threat all along to force people to vote for the deal?
I can understand why the Welsh and Scots nationalist parties voted against - they want as many excuses as possible to separate themselves from the UK, which is a bit rich, especially in the Brexit-voting Welsh case. The SNP, of course, just want to leave the UK. Considering that most of the money comes from England, I wouldn't be upset if they went.
I hadn't thought that a "no deal brexit" was possible with the shear number of Conservative MPs in Parliament. I thought they had secured an overwhelming victory at the last general election. Surely this wasn't actually possible, so it was merely symbolic? Surely respect for democracy should be allowed for MPs as well as the public?
I think you will find they were voting against this pathetic deal.
I really hope we make a success of this. Unfortunately it will probably take years to show.
50 years according to Rees-Mogg.
Of course it's impossible to see 50 years ahead. So in effect, he was saying we'll see no economic benefit.
Still, even if our economy is in a tail spin, at lest we can catch a few more fish.
Of course it's impossible to see 50 years ahead. So in effect, he was saying we'll see no economic benefit.
Still, even if our economy is in a tail spin, at lest we can catch a few more fish.
600K vaccinated in December
Whinging on about fishing, £90 million fishing deal vs £680Billion trade? No contest just get real guys
Yes, but a large chunk of that 680bn is from financial services, absolutely no detail on this at present.
The deal is for trade we were already doing before except it is now has a mountain of paperwork to go with it, plus it makes it a lot harder to supply smaller EU companies who don’t have customs procedures and deferment accounts already in place. Also still not sure about trade with NI as not seen if the agreement negates any of the ridiculous NI protocol.
Exactly.
Of course, the real reason that the fish issue was so important was not 12,000 fishermen, but a few very big businesses that monopolise the industry. Scratch a Tory policy and discover its about their rich mates. See the report below ...
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/
Of course, the real reason that the fish issue was so important was not 12,000 fishermen, but a few very big businesses that monopolise the industry. Scratch a Tory policy and discover its about their rich mates. See the report below ...
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/
That's because the EU has circa 80% of our fish quotas.
Our fleets were decimated and EU fleets are an environmental disaster.
As our fleet rebuilds our processing plants will ramp up and we'll have high value fish products to sell at home and abroad - remember, abroad is more than the EU, a lot more than the EU!
Our fleets were decimated and EU fleets are an environmental disaster.
As our fleet rebuilds our processing plants will ramp up and we'll have high value fish products to sell at home and abroad - remember, abroad is more than the EU, a lot more than the EU!
The eu also made fishing a sticking point. They were right and we were wrong?
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Don't forget the seed potatoes.
I never thought the UK was a major fish-eating nation until the eventual UK-EU trade deal was eventually signed. I look forward to plentiful fish in ASDA along with £350 million extra for the NHS. At last, a benefit from Brexit! Now that was a long time coming...
Perhaps you are reading a different article than me. No mention of fish, but nice photo of your dear leader.
You're obviously not in business then. No matter which way you look at it this deal puts obstacles in the way of businesses who export. It will cost my company £10-15K in customs charges alone every year from now. Add other admin costs and training then it's probably going to be £20k at least.
A total farce driven by Ministers who have hijacked Democracy in this country.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
It’s not perfect but thank goodness we can now move on from Brexit with an FTA we were told would be impossible.
Very disappointed to see the EU enter a ridiculous agreement with China today, turning a blind eye to its Covid lies and human rights abuses.
Very disappointed to see the EU enter a ridiculous agreement with China today, turning a blind eye to its Covid lies and human rights abuses.
it was impossible till johnson caved in
Are you saying we have no intention of striking a deal with China then? Get real.
The UK will do the same.
We were told it would be the easiest FTA ever ! And guess who said it !?
We were told that it would be the easiest deal ever. Short memories some people. Comes with age I guess?
This reminds me of Covid lies in England - does Boris know what the truth is? AND human right abuses because of his knee jerking posturing
The U.K. has stuck a deal with Turkey turning a blind eye to Covid lies and human rights abuses.
Only FTA as long as the UK doesn't diverge from standards etc set by the EU or visa versa. Then tariffs will apply!
"with an FTA we were told would be impossible"
Only free to the point where we actually start exercising our 'newly found sovereignty'
Only free to the point where we actually start exercising our 'newly found sovereignty'
William, in case you haven't noticed, Uncle Sam is threatened by China's rise, and is pushing for a new cold war. You've clearly been swallowing American propaganda and the regurgitated press releases from news agencies. The UK unfortunately always side with the Americans, whereas the EU see them for what they truly are: a meddlesome, self-serving, militiralistic state.
Covid 19 has been discovered in waste water from the spring of 2019 in Spain.
Nobody said the poor deal we ended up with would be impossible.
What was said was that you couldn't have exactly the same benefits outside the EU that we had as members.
The trade deal proves it. We allow unrestricted UK imports from the EU, while crippling the majority of our exports, and preventing many of our industries from functioning across the EU at all.
What was said was that you couldn't have exactly the same benefits outside the EU that we had as members.
The trade deal proves it. We allow unrestricted UK imports from the EU, while crippling the majority of our exports, and preventing many of our industries from functioning across the EU at all.
EU enters a trade deal with one of the worlds top human rights abusers!
Workers rights and the need to make sure workers rights are upheld & enshrined in law are things the EU have been going on and on about for years....then it does a deal with a country that is one of the worst for ignoring workers rights.
I rest my case your honour
Workers rights and the need to make sure workers rights are upheld & enshrined in law are things the EU have been going on and on about for years....then it does a deal with a country that is one of the worst for ignoring workers rights.
I rest my case your honour
What the EU does is now none of our business. We left. We gave up our right to influence the EU who have now made a deal with China which we will be excluded from. When will the UK's free trade deal with China be signed? And they will very likely have a trade deal with the US before us as well. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
What do you expect neo-global liberals. It wold be good to avoid China as much as possible and look at the economies that will outstrip China for growth in the future like India and Brazil (as long the nutjob gets voted out).
what has the EU agreeing trade deals got to do with you? This is the same deal as the EU put on the table nearly a year ago. The only people saying it was impossible were the Kippers led by the one who signed it in the end.
As if you care about human rights abuses....
"It’s not perfect but thank goodness we can now move on from Brexit with an FTA we were told would be impossible."
They have the option to apply tariffs as soon as we diverge from the level playing field. So not truly free trade.
"Very disappointed to see the EU enter a ridiculous agreement with China today, turning a blind eye to its Covid lies and human rights abuses."
The UK is the same.
They have the option to apply tariffs as soon as we diverge from the level playing field. So not truly free trade.
"Very disappointed to see the EU enter a ridiculous agreement with China today, turning a blind eye to its Covid lies and human rights abuses."
The UK is the same.
Move on? Dream on more like. This so called FTA is only the beginning of years of negotiation with the EU as we seek to improve and reclaim what we've lost.
According to Johnson, we now can have our cake, and eat it.
Unfortinately, all that is left are a few stale crumbs.
On which to feed mightily?
Unfortinately, all that is left are a few stale crumbs.
On which to feed mightily?
But it's great news for the UK to feel self-superior to the EU about.
Look at us!
Aren't we virtuous!
Look at us!
Aren't we virtuous!
China doesn't lie. It has been totally honest with Covid right from the start. Plus they are at an earlier stage with human rights than the rest of the world. And they are also tolerant to criticisms of politics. And Covid probably has been unfairly blamed on them just because they have wet food markets. And Huawei are not under the control of China's government. I am currently being monitored.
just the corrupt tories left
Except it is not as we continue to trade with them according to their rules.
The con is completed
Not complete, no.
We've still to find out how the UK will fare regarding services - which make up most of our economy.
We've still to find out how the UK will fare regarding services - which make up most of our economy.
The biggest con was the EU project had somehow magically stopped in its stated goal of 'ever closer union' . Over the last 60 years the EEC expanded and integrated and wasn't just going to stop. At some point in the future the UK would have been pushed into further integration, there was no 'remain' option, it was the disingenuous leading the deluded.
So what are you going to do about it?
IMHO maintaining the tax avoiding status of those linked to the Tories was always the driving force behind Brexit. Once a deal - any deal as far as Johnson was concerned - was signed then their status was maintained. Despite the smokescreen of taking back control of things we didn’t lose in the first place then the con was completed
Succint and accurate.
A total farce driven by Ministers who have hijacked Democracy in this country.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
As a remainer it would be fair to say I'm not overly confident that things will pan out better than staying in the EU, but lets just wait and see. I feel Brexiteers will be quick to take credit but will soon disappear under the covers if things don't go as planned coupled with blaming the remainers for 'not pulling their weight'.
Negative
I’m sure they’ll also find a few of us remaining EU citizens to blame for all this too. Looking forward to the “go back where you come from”...
"Brexit done
Got cake now eating it"
Then you obviously haven't understood it.
Got cake now eating it"
Then you obviously haven't understood it.
And as a leaver I speculate also that remainers will say 'I told you so' if there is anything negative and say nothing if there are positives, human nature pal, anyhow you will need to give leaving a few years before coming to any conclusions.
What is a Brexiteer? Is it just someone who voted to leave the EU? What is a remainer? Anyone who voted yes? Will people not pull their weight now if they voted yes? I don't see myself as a Brexiteer or a Remainer just a citizen who voted in a referendum. Can we drop both labels please and revert to us all being citizens of the UK.
"if things don't go as planned"
I often think remainers and leavers argue with cross purposes
'remainers' view it has a choice between two economic models
Leavers view the EU as a political project that that we needed to leave, having done that their goal is achieved. There is no "we'll see how it works out", it's done.
I often think remainers and leavers argue with cross purposes
'remainers' view it has a choice between two economic models
Leavers view the EU as a political project that that we needed to leave, having done that their goal is achieved. There is no "we'll see how it works out", it's done.
You don't have to wait. The deal is awful for UK. The EU got everything it wanted. It can sell its finished consumer products to UK tariff free but UK can't sell its services - 50% of our EU exports before Cameron's idiotic gamble on the intelligence of the UK electorate.
Yawn.
We pulled our weight to do what is best for our country by opposing brexit, unfortunately we failed, hopefully we will do better next time.
But will the BBC/Sky/print media and remainers give brexiteers credit if things work out out well?.....err me thinks not.
I am expecting the media will put a negative spin on any problem no matter how small or insignificant that happens & is related to the UK going it alone.
I am expecting the media will put a negative spin on any problem no matter how small or insignificant that happens & is related to the UK going it alone.
Quite. Remainers are more typically the 'doers' in society whereas Leavers are more typically 'talkers', or more accurately complainers.
So the doers will always find a way to succeed and make money for themselves and others, despite, not because, of Brexit.
And as you say, the Brexiteers will say 'told you so'.
So the doers will always find a way to succeed and make money for themselves and others, despite, not because, of Brexit.
And as you say, the Brexiteers will say 'told you so'.
No such thing as remainers we're out, couldn't stop yourself having one more dig bye bye
You could have moved to the glorious EU if you really think like that OP. In fact, you still can...
Don't worry, they will blame it all on Covid.
For the first time I am impressed with Keir Starmer for realising it's no use sitting on the fence. No one is going to approve 100% of this deal but it is time to move forward. Hopefully people will be enterprising and make the best of the situation.
The rejoiners will emerge and have the right to pursue their goal.
The rejoiners will emerge and have the right to pursue their goal.
If Starmer thinks his charade is going to bring back the Red Wall then he's even more deluded than I'd thought...
It also takes off weekly pm questions johnsons one and only thing to keep firing back over at starmer..
The fight to rejoin the EU and put this country back at the centre of a reformed Europe begins tonight.
For the first time, I've been disappointed with Keir Starmer over the last few days.
If he'd had the backbone, he may have been able to push a vote through Parliament that agreed the deal, but only temporarily until it could be fully scrutinised next year. Because make no mistake, this is a terrible deal.
Keir seems more concerned about bringing Brexit supporters back on board. Misguided.
If he'd had the backbone, he may have been able to push a vote through Parliament that agreed the deal, but only temporarily until it could be fully scrutinised next year. Because make no mistake, this is a terrible deal.
Keir seems more concerned about bringing Brexit supporters back on board. Misguided.
I was present but not involved in the calls for a second referendum .....
Disagree. Absolutely no need for Starmer to take any kind of ownership of this deal, that makes the UK poorer, in multiple aspects. Tories had the majority to pass the deal themselves, and this has been their issue for the past 4 decades. Abstention would have been the pragmatic approach. Mr Starmer has lost my vote already, Johnson must scarcely believe he will be able to share responsibility.
The rejoiners will be like the Flat Earth Society.
There was no sitting on the fence. This was a binary choice vote between deal and no deal. despite the deal being a crap one, it was far better than no deal. There was nothing else on the table. Those who abstained effectively signified that they had no preference between deal and no deal. That wasn't a realistic viewpoint that Starmer could advocate.
As a brexit voter I couldn’t agree more my friend, happy new year to you and yours
I will never again vote Labour as long as I live. They should have left Brexit to be wholly the Tory mess as soon as it became clear the ERG would vote for it. Now they're part of it, and everything that comes of it will be their fault.
Apparently 17% of people are happy with the deal. So that is 83% who are not happy. Now there's a success for bozo.
Scottish government refused consent. 2021 will be the year of the Scottish Indy campaign, and the BBC of course will employ HYS to full effect, so there will be many toxic threads to come.
Exactly - Corbyn's weak leadership on Brexit cost Labour, and they needed to show that they are listening and respect the electorates choice regardless. Thank god St Jeremy is an independent MP now!
The far left of the party only abstained or voted against because they can't bring themselves to support anything the Tories do - even if they found a cure for cancer, they would still oppose!
The far left of the party only abstained or voted against because they can't bring themselves to support anything the Tories do - even if they found a cure for cancer, they would still oppose!
Never thought I’d say it but I agree here. Starmer has gone up quite a bit in my view last couple of days. Maybe the impression of him as “captain hindsight” had been partly media inspired.
Lets see if he can keep it up.
Lets see if he can keep it up.
Well said ... time to move on
Or all the people who voted for BJ. You will never forgive your neighbours, sounds like you want a civil war.
Don't let it stew for too long, it will be bad for your health....
"We"???
You mean you
You mean you
this is a terrible betrayal to all brexiteers still allowing foreign vessels to invade our waters,i always said johnson would concede on this issue but failure to deliver for finance is a shocking way to treat our huge economy that heavily relies on these companies,its all sovereignty that matters to the tories and not the nation,johnsons comment about business is true,he doesnt care about us/
yes rejoining europe in friendship and ridding scotland of the tory party
We were told in 2016 that the world would end, that financial systems would crash, that the pound would be worthless.
From 2016 to 2019 we were told an FTA with the EU would be impossible on any terms.
In 2020 we were told an FTA could not be negotiated and signed in 12 months.
This is a good agreement that is not perfect but well beyond what remain said we’d get.
From 2016 to 2019 we were told an FTA with the EU would be impossible on any terms.
In 2020 we were told an FTA could not be negotiated and signed in 12 months.
This is a good agreement that is not perfect but well beyond what remain said we’d get.
Boris Johnson did not cave in. We have essentially the deal WE wanted and not the deal the EU wanted.
It was impossible until Johnson negotiated firmly.
Negotiation at this speed and comprehensive content requires(ed) give and take. The EU wanted the ECJ as authority, didn't happen. On fishing the EU wanted 10 then 14 years transition for 18 percent. UK wanted 60 percent. They settled on 5 1/2 years for 25 percent at the end of which 100 percent is UK and negotiations become annual.
Rubbish. The glorious EU caved in !
All the things they told us we HAD to keep, gone in a puff of Euro signs.
ECJ, freedom of movement, single market, customs union, we could not have FTA outside of EU. ALL GONE!
They could not afford us to go, a vast market and economy, the 5 th biggest in the WORLD, they have in the UK. Eventually we get all our fish back! Little England? No, Great Britain!
All the things they told us we HAD to keep, gone in a puff of Euro signs.
ECJ, freedom of movement, single market, customs union, we could not have FTA outside of EU. ALL GONE!
They could not afford us to go, a vast market and economy, the 5 th biggest in the WORLD, they have in the UK. Eventually we get all our fish back! Little England? No, Great Britain!
A couple of years from now, few people will admit they ever voted for his.
This is the start of a new period - of economic decline and the break up of the UK.
For all those who truly love their our country, Friday will be a sad day.
This is the start of a new period - of economic decline and the break up of the UK.
For all those who truly love their our country, Friday will be a sad day.
Remainers
Time to move on or move out.
Time to move on or move out.
crap we lost our freedom because of idiots like you
Removed
I'm out, now French nationality, life is calm here. Health service best in the world, no worries.
Just hope you do not suffer under UK NHS
Just hope you do not suffer under UK NHS
Like you lot did 40 years ago?
Or move North
No, it's now time for Remainers to clear up your mess as usual!??
I'll let you tell the UDA, UVF, RHC and LVF types they need to get out. I mean, they're benefiting from staying in the European Union to a greater or lesser extent having rights that someone in Grimsby won't have.
Even Starmer says our greatest years are ahead of us. He is right. The indigenous population of Britain are taking back control. Glorious.
The Celts?
you rely on foreigners for jobs
Wow!
Who are the “indigenous population”?
What are they taking back control of?
By the way what is Britain?
Who are the “indigenous population”?
What are they taking back control of?
By the way what is Britain?
I hope you're a troll.
Democracy done and dusted
Onwards and upwards. Regardless of what people think of Brexit it is time to move forward.
Not sure the media will agree though - they will have to dig for other gloom and doom stories now.
Not sure the media will agree though - they will have to dig for other gloom and doom stories now.
Only a complete buffoon would describe this under cooked deal as "having our cake & eating it"! Ladies & Gentlemen, I give you Boris Johnson, the only person who believes what he says!??
Incorrect, i do too.
A total farce driven by Ministers who have hijacked Democracy in this country.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
A day of shame.
Only good thing is the hundreds of billions forthcoming for 'levelling up'.
this is a terrible betrayal to all brexiteers still allowing foreign vessels to invade our waters,i always said johnson would concede on this issue but failure to deliver for finance is a shocking way to treat our huge economy that heavily relies on these companies,its all sovereignty that matters to the tories and not the nation,johnsons comment about business is true,he doesnt care about us/
I thoroughly enjoyed watching Keir Starmer squirm as he complained the deal was no good, but that he was voting for it anyway!
I liked that both he & Blackwood asked both Boris & Gove to stand up & repeat the lies they'd told! Funnily enough they both refused!!??
It adds £7bn to the cost of doing business
How good is that?
(Clearly you wish division to continue, so it shall)
How good is that?
(Clearly you wish division to continue, so it shall)
Much better than the alternative. Hopefully the people of Europe can move past the time of the anti-democratic EU.
Notice how everyone involved are stressing how it will be great in the long term without giving any reason or rhyme why - nicely giving themselves enough time to die and therefore be free of any scrutiny or responsibility in life.
Yawn. 'Sunlit uplands'....the most over-used phrase in the Remainer Book of Cliches.
If it is, it started with the denial of the referendum 2016.
But you're wrong anyway. People aren't stupid.
But you're wrong anyway. People aren't stupid.
No mention of prominent EU sceptic Redwood abstaining.?
Now it's up to business to make it work or die.
Happy new year.
Now it's up to business to make it work or die.
Happy new year.
Probably because he didn't make a ha'penny's worth of difference.
One day left
Then we are all Brexiteers
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Then we are all Brexiteers
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Whilst we may be leaving, I will never be a short sighted, gullible, insular xenophobe!??
Crowing about beating your kids will come back to bite you in the *
No, Fred.
We'll never be willing traitors to the UK like -you- Brexiters.
We'll never be willing traitors to the UK like -you- Brexiters.
Let's see how the Tories fare in the next Scottish Election, I'm guessing there's a few fishermen who'll naw be friends of Boris Inc.
The fishing business has just been given an instant 15% increase in stock and money.
What's not to like about that whilst Covid is on the go. Any business would want that.
What's not to like about that whilst Covid is on the go. Any business would want that.
So they'll vote of someone who'll give them even less? Hypocrite.
And what happens when you have eaten it all? You won't have any cake left... still impossible to have your cake AND eat it.
As a remain voter who accepted the outcome, this is better than no deal, but there is still no reason to gloat like you are... surely better to try to move forward as a united nation rather than being divided??
Let's hope 2021 brings some unity and peace and love.
As a remain voter who accepted the outcome, this is better than no deal, but there is still no reason to gloat like you are... surely better to try to move forward as a united nation rather than being divided??
Let's hope 2021 brings some unity and peace and love.
Rich, I agree with your sentiment but without being funny it is/will be the remoaner elite that will continue to moan, bellyache and be generally insulting. They are soooo intelligent, how dare we go against their wishes. But for now Happy New Year and all the best to everyone, whatever your persuasion ??
Remainers
Time to move on or move out.
Time to move on or move out.
Freedom? To be ruled by Brussels and unelected officials who live on salaries 100 time larger than yours.
You know nothing.
You know nothing.
No thanks to No Deal Nicola.
The woman is a narcassist determined that Scotland should start again at Year Zero just like Pol Pot.
The woman is a narcassist determined that Scotland should start again at Year Zero just like Pol Pot.
Is that not exactly what the Disunited Kingdom has just done or claims to have???
independence is closing in
Proud of Nicola & SNP + whole of Scottish Parliament bar branch office Tories. Even Labour MSP’s voted against toxic. Watch SNP popularity rise & indy2 break through 60% - Boris & co proving WM disdain for the devolved nations backed by Red Tory Starmer. Got your Brexit but it’s cost the Union - bye bye UK & good riddance!
There is a huge difference between free speech and the National broadcaster taking one side - as usual
Freedom of speech, don’t make me laugh. Freedom is only allowed if we agree with the BBC and the remoaners. You lot get to insult, slag off and generally denigrate Leavers, we say one word back even slightly derogatory and we get blocked by the BBC remoaner element.
Of course financial services not mentioned. Several big cites in the EU are rubbing their hands at the thought of taking a big chunk of that business from London. Which has been happening for a while now, since the referendum.
Brexit does have some benefits, just not for the UK!
Brexit does have some benefits, just not for the UK!
The financial markets are very pleased with it and as they make the vast majority of our taxable profit which feeds the exchequer I suspect this is a better deal than Socialists could get envisage.
please do you research.....
it is services (IT, accountants, legal etc. etc.) not financial services that accounts for 7%!
it is services (IT, accountants, legal etc. etc.) not financial services that accounts for 7%!
Financial services are very agile. They will look for new products and markets, not simply complain about Brexit problems like some sectors.
Bozo wasn't interested in the financial services, he was too busy pandering to the audience about the fishing when half the English fishermen have already sold of their quotas to either the French or big business.
That chunk of money and the jobs will be in the EU soon ??????
Again trying to make out it's a disaster trade always wins be uase we have what they need a d that have what we need and they nned financial services aswell so behave
Having your iphone repaired counts as financial services - heaven knows why but it inflates the value of financial services. We need to use import/export figures
Theresa May made out that she had included Financial Services in her negotiations I wonder how duff that part of her deal was? everything else she did was rubbish
A large chunk is indeed financial but what you fail to mention is that financial trade is both ways. The EU is capitalist as are we. Nose and face comes to mind.
Yes, considering that financial services (including some very dodgy deals) are the mainstay of the modern British economy, I wonder what is happening there. Frankfurt has been trying to usurp London's position as a world financial centre, they may now get the chance, especially with Germany getting very close to China.
Not as good as what we had and there are still gaps. Services are not well served by this, data flows are kicked down the road again. Poor deal but better than nothing.
And considerably worse than all the unicorn-strewn fantasies the Brexiters promised.
Never forgive Brexiters. Never forget who they are.
Never forgive Brexiters. Never forget who they are.
Not as good as we had? You must have forgotten the tens of billions of pounds that we paid into the EU every year!
Bozo doesn't care about what most people in Britain do for a living, he prefers to play to the glamour of the fishermen who only make up a tiny fraction of our economy.
Miles worse than the fantasy that Brexiteers had in mind, as anyone with any foresight or common sense could have (and did) tell you years ago.
No one cares about it anymore.
Only a few hashtag outraged hours left.
Get those hashtag imahipsterandiwantbrexitcancelled posts typed up today ready for tomorrow morning telling us all we're all doomed, it's a faliure, we've only been out of the EU for 5 minutes and the seas rose (it's called tides).
I reckon tomorrow will be just like today , but then I don't spend all day on social media and can use common sense.
Get those hashtag imahipsterandiwantbrexitcancelled posts typed up today ready for tomorrow morning telling us all we're all doomed, it's a faliure, we've only been out of the EU for 5 minutes and the seas rose (it's called tides).
I reckon tomorrow will be just like today , but then I don't spend all day on social media and can use common sense.
If we are doomed then there is nothing one can do but emigrate!
There's a helpful article on the BBC for written for people who are still struggling to come to terms with this. Interestingly, a relationship/divorce counsellor is their go-to expert.
I read it. Sorry BBC, but it's rubbish. It takes completely the wrong approach, and was frankly rather insulting. Brexit is wrong as a matter of logic, politics and economics. A real divorce is very different.
No one cares about it anymore.
The first 'free trade deal' in history to add £7 billion of admin costs per year (HMRC figure) to the cost of doing business with our higgest trade partner.
Why that's almost as much as we are saving (net) in membership costs, if you ignore the £200bn cost of 'getting Brexit done' (so far......)
Why that's almost as much as we are saving (net) in membership costs, if you ignore the £200bn cost of 'getting Brexit done' (so far......)
It's not often that a country goes out of its way to put itself into a position where it needs to negotiate a deal that is worse than it had before.
The costs of Brexit will keep climbing - and will be tallied - to remind the Leavers what they cost the country.
The costs of Brexit will keep climbing - and will be tallied - to remind the Leavers what they cost the country.
Most laughable thing is the call for the totally Disunited Kingdom to come together. Not a chance families, towns, cities even countries pretty much still despise each other depending how they voted. That hatred will stay for years
I think you hope it will. It must be so horrible being so bitter and feeling so much hatred, all over petty politics. We may all die from Covid, will that cheer you up?
Hatred. Don't think so. Respect each others views please. We had a vote each. That's how it works here. Lots of things happen which I don't like, lots of people have views I don't share, lots of people don't want my team to win - do I hate them? Only if they are extremely nasty horrid people who do terrible things. Voting differently to me in a referendum isn't one of them. So have a rethink eh.
"Most laughable thing is the call for the totally Disunited Kingdom to come together."
Agreed, but it was like that before except nobody cared what the lower half thought. At least now they know we have votes and we can only be marginalised so far as long as we use them
Agreed, but it was like that before except nobody cared what the lower half thought. At least now they know we have votes and we can only be marginalised so far as long as we use them
A small minority of republican supporting parties and their supporters think that. The rest of us, the grown ups, don't.
Get back in your box and whistle for Charlie, true Scots despised him!
Get back in your box and whistle for Charlie, true Scots despised him!
No, I think Brexit will be accepted and the split will heal. 'Disunited Kingdom' is a tired and hackneyed phrase - in the UK we actually get along together pretty well. We had no riots and civil unrest like some countries. Nobody died because of the Brexit debate.
Yep... Not what you want from responsible government, is it? It's going to take a lot more than weasel-words and slogans from Johnson and co..!
To blame that solely on brexit is disingenuous, John Major started the ball rolling with the first of the wokeist nonsence by appointing people like Patten and Leon Britain to positions of power? Blair tearing down our borders and inflicting illegal wars on us? The failed experiment of ‘multi-culturalism? the wokeists who demand science and reality is wrong if they disagree with it fact be damned
Drama Queen.
Not to mention "friends" As the only Leave voters among our social circle we received no Xmas cards and the last phone calls from them were over 2 months ago when they wanted. 1) me to wire up some lights for 1/3 of what their builder would charge. 2) To fix a car with 4 major fails for its MOT for £50 and 3) To give their son an almost new pair of football boots for free! Relationship over!
And you can do something about that by losing your hate, like any decent person of either side would.
Luckily haters like you will gradually fade away into irrelevance... Oh, you already have.
So you're a self fulling prophet of doom are you. If you don't want division stop acting someone who used to be known as remainer. Most of the angst and grief have come from those who voted to stay had you accepted the result we probaly would have hd a deal before now.
Yes, whatever one's views on Brexit, the last five years have been the most horrible, divisive experience for everyone, and have caused lasting damage across the country. I hope no politician will ever be foolish enough to call a referendum on anything ever again.
True. They will never be forgiven for the damage they have done
It's sad that people are willing to stay in their world of negativity. They can keep it to themselves thankyou.
I agree. We will accept the outcome of the negotiations, such is the nature of democracy. But we won't forgive them for leading us in such a radical way against our wishes. Plus the freedoms we have enjoyed now taken away from us against our wishes isn't acceptable either. So we will blame them for the forseable future. Not sure the younger generation will thank us for this act.
The Germans and the French have entered an agreement with China that is both naive and very badly timed.
The EU believes that closer engagement with China and integration will make the CCP more honest and accountable. What a joke.
The U.K., US, Australia etc will never ever be so stupid and naive in my opinion. Too many checks and balances. The EU swamp does whatever it likes for money.
The EU believes that closer engagement with China and integration will make the CCP more honest and accountable. What a joke.
The U.K., US, Australia etc will never ever be so stupid and naive in my opinion. Too many checks and balances. The EU swamp does whatever it likes for money.
Even a BBC correspondent said on a recent Dateline London that an appetite for an FTA with China is extremely small in Westminster atm. Any agreements with China always come with massive caveats and would likely work more in China's favour then in Britain's anyway. Signing mutual FTA's with smaller countries is far more feasible although I honestly don't envisage an FTA with the US either.
The only way the country has any chance of coming together is if Boris goes. He is toxic, devisive , gloating and a proven liar that many will find impossible to support in any way. Hopefully the tories will realise this soon.
So he comes on, craps on the floor and bowls out.
I'd be annoyed
I'd be annoyed
I thoroughly enjoyed watching Keir Starmer squirm as he complained the deal was no good, but that he was voting for it anyway!
Now is the time to stop all the language of division and work together to build the future we would want for our future generations.
Stop pulling the country and people who think differently to you down and start to build a positive future.
Stop pulling the country and people who think differently to you down and start to build a positive future.
no chance we remainers have won everything we wanted,we got a deal because johnson conceded everything to the eu,fishing,level playing field,new border,we lost an awful lot
Sadly it is your crowing Leaver-chums that are continuing the division, while your Remainer-kids have to somehow make it work
So * you, basically
So * you, basically
A major fear that I have is that UK will return to the situation in the 1960s and 1970s when the best and brightest emigrated due to the limited opportunities on a small island. Not everyone wants to be a banker.
Give us something positive to work with!
Brexit and the completely rubbish deal Johnson has sold to Brexit supporters is not it. It's the start of our economic decline and the break up of the UK. How are we supposed to feel positive about that?
You don't make imports/exports a lot more difficult and expensive, and expect a boom in trade.
Brexit and the completely rubbish deal Johnson has sold to Brexit supporters is not it. It's the start of our economic decline and the break up of the UK. How are we supposed to feel positive about that?
You don't make imports/exports a lot more difficult and expensive, and expect a boom in trade.
Agree
Does building the future we want involve a working test and trace system?!
People shouldn't be upset by a self-inflicted wound?
Good game play Boris, took the winning goal right at the last minute. Well, as winning as it was going to get. Everyone doubted, called you a clown etc, etc but some of us could see your strategy. Onwards and upwards.
hes still a clown
This is more like the last minute consolation goal I'm afraid.
Im sad but we have to move on, very impressed with Stormers viewpoint on this. No deal would have been a disaster this thin deal is better than nothing.
Still we have Levelling up to look forward to and those less well off who brought about Brexit should be rewarded with more housing the lack of which is a social evil in this country.
Still we have Levelling up to look forward to and those less well off who brought about Brexit should be rewarded with more housing the lack of which is a social evil in this country.
Levelling up, I think that's what you call the triumph of hope over experience, Don't hold your breath would be my advice.
I have to abide with the outcome of the Brexit referendum , however I do not think the future is as rosy as is being painted by Boris and his clan , I hope I am wrong but time will tell - happy new year everyone whatever your views
Negative as usual. Talked down the country n now this
It’ll be rosy for them. I’m sure whatever investments they have are on the Brexit is good side of the equation.
What is annoying is the government only decided to leave the single market after the referendum, the Single market is a different treaty and we didn't vote to leave that, we were never asked. It was just May trying to be a good little brexiteer which led to it.
And it not as bleak as the remainers made out not by a country mile
I understand that the Trade & Cooperation agreement allows either party to request a review of the provisions after four years. This could make the EU-UK relationship an election issue in three or four years. Maybe all is not lost. We can negotiate a closer relationship again.
I agree completely: with his talk of a "have our cake and eat it" deal, Bozo is either terribly mistaken or deliberately trying to mislead gullible voters for the umpteenth time. As soon as the UK tries to assert sovereignty, there is provision for the EU to impose trade tariffs.
Future rosy? I think it's a future of uncertainty and instability. I wonder how people will feel when they realise what they are going to get in 2021? When unemployment starts to rise? When inflation takes off? Hopefully they will accept their democratic choice and accept their lot.
Too late for my employers.
They’ve already shifted their European manufacturing capacity to an EU country or face losing all the EU business.
The UK site is now UK centric and about 40% smaller as a result.
Business decisions and capital expenditure had to be committed months ago, not on 30th December.
This has all been a total last minute shambles, like everything this government does!
They’ve already shifted their European manufacturing capacity to an EU country or face losing all the EU business.
The UK site is now UK centric and about 40% smaller as a result.
Business decisions and capital expenditure had to be committed months ago, not on 30th December.
This has all been a total last minute shambles, like everything this government does!
Don't blame the Government, blame yourself and all of the rest of the UK for how we all voted.
And how many EU enterprises will be opening UK centres for similar reasons?
I am so sorry man
Brexit is a growing fiasco.
Brexiter must own their mess now.
They should lose their jobs first
Brexit is a growing fiasco.
Brexiter must own their mess now.
They should lose their jobs first
Your employer gambled there wouldn't be a deal so moved. Gamble didn't pan out. With a zero tariff trade deal now in place your employer may move business back in time. What goes around.....
Jumped the gun there did they not, that’s what happens when you listen to the BBC
Last minute is largely down to EU officials "negotiating" on the basis of the EU getting everything it wants and us getting nothing. Basically, a "how dare you disagree with our plan for United States if Europe, take this punishment to make leaving even more painful" approach. It basically came down to who flinched first. And that's why things were ridiculously last minute.
In Germany, VW have closed down their Wolfsburg plant and built a new one in Turkey, which isn't in the EU.
Again putting profit before workers.
Again putting profit before workers.
Remember who caused the delays (EU) and who tied the negotiators hands (Remainers).
Done to make it harder to leave - both cost us in the "deal".
Done to make it harder to leave - both cost us in the "deal".
My former company shifted manufacturing to the edge of the EU before the GE that brought about the referendum. It's all to do with cheap labour, not the benefits of the EU.
NB if the left hadn't fought modernising our manufacturing since the 50s we'd have super cheap, super efficient robotic plants across the UK, but Labour and Remain want a Victorian workforce on piecemeal!
NB if the left hadn't fought modernising our manufacturing since the 50s we'd have super cheap, super efficient robotic plants across the UK, but Labour and Remain want a Victorian workforce on piecemeal!
Well Rob let’s blame the EU horse traders not our brave negotiators. It is what it is.
Sorry for your production loss but the whole country will benefit
Sorry for your production loss but the whole country will benefit
Perhaps your UK employees were not as productive as those elsewhere? There are exceptions to all standards but unfortunately the British employee is not noted as being highly productive and quality conscious.
I worked for BT, two suppliers we used one in Scotland and one in England moved to the Czech Republic and that was in the early 2000's nothing to do with Brexit.
Rob, don’t point the finger at the Gov, point it where the blame really lies, at the remainers. Their legal shenanigans in trying to circumvent a democratic result/intent lost 3 years valuable negotiating time, hence the last minute deal!!
Then go and get another job, don’t wait for someone else to wipe your behind
It was left to the last moment so Bozo could play to the grandstand.
Sounds like your company acted in haste, they should have left it to the last minute and they could have avoided a shambles.
Don't forget the EU they love last minute deals. To be fair if Johnson had extended the transition period we have had the same antics by the EU at the end of the revised deadline. As for UK centric not being in the Customs Union means we can negotiate our own deals which someone in the know told me was outside the UK. As for 40% of the manufacturing business being lost where's you evidence?
In the long run things won't change much. The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, and the people with power will make the poor blame each other for it.
The older I get the more I feel like the Donkey in Animal Farm. You’ve hit the nail on the head there.
And multi millionaire tax dodgers residing in Monaco will receive knighthoods......
Global Absolute Poverty rate have never been lower, & keeps declining. Your rhetoric of 'gloom & doom' is not only unjustified, it is statistically incorrect...
That's a very bleak viewpoint. Despite all the difficulties of this year, some people have made a success of it.
Some companies have adjusted and had a strong year.
It's up to you to take or make the opportunity.
Some companies have adjusted and had a strong year.
It's up to you to take or make the opportunity.
I know it doesn’t fit your narrative but statistics actually show the rich getting richer and the ‘poor’ getting richer.
Exactly. The rich elite look down on all others, can't blame them either cause I would to the same. That's just human nature, selfishness at its core and this pandemic has proven that. Billions of sheep ruled by a handful of Wolves.
So there is no point in doing anything or changing anything?
Is that a chip on your shoulder or a whole bag of potatoes?
I think you'll find the poor blame the rich for making them poor!
Assuming that we will have a Conservative government permanently in power, then yes, I agree.
Covid has highlighted the gulf and made the situation worse as people have been forced to shop at bigger shops and almost exclusively online. The amount of revenue that the bigger sharks have hoovered up this year is like Brexit x 100
And no matter what system is in place, you will have rich and you will have poor.
As long as the poor continue to vote for the rich people's party the poor will remain poor.
been going on for donkeys years,we believe we live in a democracy when we are dictated to and we don't realise it,led like sheep,trouble is the sheep pay taxes cos we're easy targets while the sheperds dogs guarding us get fatter,watched over by thousands of cctv c ameras,wathing over us,WHY? it's all about the control,we're in a communist democracy,get used to it, after all,we vote for it!
I agree the rich will stay rich and the poor remain poor financially, if that is how you measure a worthwhile life.
Many rich commit suicide or depend on drugs while poor folk find love and contentment beyond words.
It’s the rest of society like those habitually moaning on HYS, encouraged by the BBC, that need to realise they are wasting their life blaming others.
Many rich commit suicide or depend on drugs while poor folk find love and contentment beyond words.
It’s the rest of society like those habitually moaning on HYS, encouraged by the BBC, that need to realise they are wasting their life blaming others.
Deep! But for the poor things will change, and for the worse. Besides the fact that the country will get comparatively worse off, business people and Tory politicians are already wondering how they can use the opportunity to 'get more competitive'. That means lower taxes for the rich and fewer rights for workers.
Still, relieved that the country will only get a bit worse off rather than a lot.
Still, relieved that the country will only get a bit worse off rather than a lot.
Not quite. The rich will get richer while the poor get poorer and starve.
If you have drive, ambition, the will to learn, stand on your own feet, take risks....... you too can be well off
Or sit at home watch a 67" tv screen eat junk food and blame everyone else.
Or sit at home watch a 67" tv screen eat junk food and blame everyone else.
Except the poor will become even more poor and the rich will become even more rich, which is their major driver for Brexit
Fairness in society is our ultimate goal. However, in the world which we live, the smartest control the wealth and consequently the vast majority of wealth is self generated. Facts are hard to dispute, like the 3 million taxpayers earning over £100,000, and you guessed it the majority have good science or business degrees up to phd level.
I would imagine the Johnson regime will continue blaming the EU for the next for years. Or Labour. Yes there's still Labour and the jam making Corbyn. It's all his fault.
The Rich will get given Knighthoods for living in Monaco and paying no UK Taxes !
Keep the Faith
"In the long run things won't change much. The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, and the people with power will make the poor blame each other for it."
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Doesn't sound like you have any faith, Faith. But what does your dribble have to do with Brexit, or are you just permanently depressed?
"In the long run things won't change much. The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, and the people with power will make the poor blame each other for it."
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Doesn't sound like you have any faith, Faith. But what does your dribble have to do with Brexit, or are you just permanently depressed?
Ironic then that the poor decided to make their lot even worse by voting for Brexit guided by a bunch of reckless self serving millionaires like the clown Johnson and the conman Farage.
But people will still vote Tory. With that said, anti-socialist Starmer!!!!
Remainers
Time to move on or move out.
Time to move on or move out.
How long until people figure out this Brexit thing was a bad idea?
The majority already have... the rest?... well, they're just playing cach-up.
Yawn. You have been trying since 2016.
Channel your energy into something else
no you didnt its a sell out of uk fishermen
No just a gullible sour remoaner ????
No thanks to No Deal Nicola.
The woman is a narcassist determined that Scotland should start again at Year Zero just like Pol Pot.
The woman is a narcassist determined that Scotland should start again at Year Zero just like Pol Pot.
Let's have a bet on how many lies brexiters are going to tell from now on. Every time the government does something they could perfectly well have done inside the Eu, they will lie and say they can do it because we're not in the EU.
They already did with the vaccine.
They are lying about being free of "Brussels control" as if the UK hadn't signed up to anything with the EU and with others.
They already did with the vaccine.
They are lying about being free of "Brussels control" as if the UK hadn't signed up to anything with the EU and with others.
Onwards and upwards. Regardless of what people think of Brexit it is time to move forward.
Not sure the media will agree though - they will have to dig for other gloom and doom stories now.
Not sure the media will agree though - they will have to dig for other gloom and doom stories now.
This deal is a hell of a lot less than promised, screwing over & betraying a lot of British people. But I'm glad it's over. Now it's time for BoJo, govt & other Brexiters to start delivering on their promises and make us more successful as a nation than ever. No more stalling, no more lies, just get on with it.
Thank you
Remainers
Time to move on or move out.
Time to move on or move out.
Well done Sir.
Not a bitter remoaner who lost are you?
I am one, and it sounds like you are threatening me!
And people like you are exactly why this country will never get on as it should. Too many have their glass half empty and do nothing other than knock the UK and it's people. We are much better than you think!
I am amazed at how many people allow themselves to be defined in a one-dimensional way.
It really is time for Brexiteer/Remainer to whither and die.
Whatever you may think about the deal, it’s time to move on and make the most of it. Our scientists have shown what this country is capable of - let’s get behind the UK and ensure it prospers.
It really is time for Brexiteer/Remainer to whither and die.
Whatever you may think about the deal, it’s time to move on and make the most of it. Our scientists have shown what this country is capable of - let’s get behind the UK and ensure it prospers.
Oh dear. So bitter and unkind. The reality is we are no longer part of a political union destined to be the US of Germany and France. If you want to be a citizen there and be ruled by an unelected elite feel free to move.
Never forget the people that could have stopped Brexit in 2019's General Election by voting Lib Dem. Oh, that's nearly all Remainers.
You are sounding like the the “little Englanders” you hate so much. Don’t they say things about the Germans along similar lines. You are no better than them. Very petty narrow minded and a very warped sense of what democracy means.
Grow up
Toxic, negative Remoaner bile. How sad that so many people upvote this stuff.
I'm a big man, I can make threats against people because of how they voted from the safety of my keyboard.
You're pathetic, who else will your thought polic seek out?
It was a free and fair vote, more than anyone else in the EU has had, it didn't go your way, tough. No GE went my way since 1997 till 2019, I don't threaten Blair or Brown voters, Lib Dem or Cameron voters or Theresa May voters!
You're pathetic, who else will your thought polic seek out?
It was a free and fair vote, more than anyone else in the EU has had, it didn't go your way, tough. No GE went my way since 1997 till 2019, I don't threaten Blair or Brown voters, Lib Dem or Cameron voters or Theresa May voters!
Proud to have voted Brexit and won. Great for our country. xx
I know people who voted for brexit and then frantically scrambled to move to the EU before it was too late, they aren't the sort of people that can afford private health insurance.
You've got your work cut out as they are the majority of those who voted in the referendum
I agree with democracy as long as democracy agrees with me.
Remainers
Time to move on or move out.
Time to move on or move out.
Let them eat cake
No one cares about it anymore.
World beating sunlight uplands or BRINO or sovereignty at whatever cost - ya pays yer money and takes yer choice!
What is certain now is that we will see in due course how it all pans out but if it all goes wrong we can't go back so let's just make the best of it if we can and hope the promises don't prove to be mere aspirations that come to naught.
What is certain now is that we will see in due course how it all pans out but if it all goes wrong we can't go back so let's just make the best of it if we can and hope the promises don't prove to be mere aspirations that come to naught.
Only a few hashtag outraged hours left.
Get those hashtag imahipsterandiwantbrexitcancelled posts typed up today ready for tomorrow morning telling us all we're all doomed, it's a faliure, we've only been out of the EU for 5 minutes and the seas rose (it's called tides).
I reckon tomorrow will be just like today , but then I don't spend all day on social media and can use common sense.
Get those hashtag imahipsterandiwantbrexitcancelled posts typed up today ready for tomorrow morning telling us all we're all doomed, it's a faliure, we've only been out of the EU for 5 minutes and the seas rose (it's called tides).
I reckon tomorrow will be just like today , but then I don't spend all day on social media and can use common sense.