Covid: Can we really jab our way out of lockdown?
05/01/2021 | news | health | 3,064
A shortage of glass vials, an overload of bureaucracy and lengthy safety checks could slow the UK down.
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MVP
05/01/2021 11:59:32 221 42
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It is disappointing the way that the distribution of the vaccine is being handled.

Why not let pharmacists and dentists as well as GPs administer the vaccine?
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05/01/2021 12:04:00 147 25
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Everyone vaccinated has to sit for 15 minutes to ensure no reaction. This will need considerable space for groups of people to sit socially distanced, GP surgeries may have the space but probably not dentists or pharmacies.
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05/01/2021 12:06:38 19 6
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Because it's hard enough getting an appointment at the dentist as it is?
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05/01/2021 12:07:45 12 1
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Read the article.
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05/01/2021 12:26:06 41 0
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Speaking in terms of dentists, we are. Pretty much any and all clinical staff in my Trust have been asked if they wish to volunteer, of which many have.
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05/01/2021 12:27:56 23 0
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Not much point putting more folk on the job than can be supplied with vaccine from the manufacturers
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MT
05/01/2021 12:30:31 17 1
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Tesco were very efficient at giving the Flu Jab.
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05/01/2021 12:33:08 3 9
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Why not site managers, shop owners..It ain't hard.
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05/01/2021 12:40:46 17 0
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Do you really not understand? The Pfizer one requires very specialised systems. The Oxford one is just starting (yesterday) and plenty of those people are administering it, in centres designed to maximise throughput and minimise risk. Big marquee attached to my local GP surgery is just one of many different solutions.
673
05/01/2021 13:05:07 7 2
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Since when have GP's themselves actually given vaccinations? It's the nurses and HCA's that do the job! You do not need a medical degree to give someone an injection! It is not rocket science; hundreds of thousands of diabetics inject themselves everyday!
675
05/01/2021 13:05:15 3 0
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How do you know that isn't the plan? They all have other jobs to do as well.
755
05/01/2021 13:12:01 1 1
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Agree, let pharmacists and dentists administer the vaccine too. This is not the time for the medical guilds to delay matters, unless there is good reason. It is vital that as many people as possible can have the jab if we are going to get on top of the pandemic at all.
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05/01/2021 13:19:57 6 0
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c my replies above to understand what is being asked of "lay people" who are training to be vaccinators. GPs , and dentists etc don't want the extra work, but I have been trying to get through the application for 6 weeks. Now got 20 e learning courses to do and no practical training as yet. red tape at every turn. It should be administered 24/7 until its done. I will work all night if they ask.
05/01/2021 13:21:13 8 0
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serious question, why not include vets, they give injections to their patients every day and some are trying to bite them at the same time. Would allow additional waiting rooms and genuinely could speed things up when the vaccines are available for use
05/01/2021 14:11:38 1 0
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It needs to be done correctly. After all of this, all of the suffering, you check and double check its administered correctly! Thats just common sense.
05/01/2021 14:22:26 1 1
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Anyone can vaccinate its not hard. NHS are recruiting £10-£11 an hour https://vaccine-jobs.nhsp.uk/vaccinator.html
05/01/2021 14:28:12 2 1
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And vets for that matter.
05/01/2021 14:38:49 3 1
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I'd add the Vets to that list too.
05/01/2021 17:08:06 0 0
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DENTISTS -who are they!
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05/01/2021 11:59:59 11 23
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Can we really jab our way out of lockdown?

No.
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05/01/2021 12:02:06 19 3
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Yes off course we can, perhaps read the article:

"It would be early March before the full impact of the vaccination of these priority groups is felt.

Then, however, it could have a significant effect"
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05/01/2021 12:00:55 28 44
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The need to inoculate the whole population for this virus is ridiculous.
If given to those who are currently recommend to have the flu jab, I'm sure it will save thousands of lives. But to insist everyone has it, when it's less lethal than flu to the healthy under 65's is crazy.
Make no mistake Johnson, Hancock, Whitty & Valance are Incompetent.
It's the most overhyped Bug since the Millennium.
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05/01/2021 12:03:39 38 9
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If you knew anything about the "millennium bug" & the enormous amount of work that went into ensuring nothing happened, you wouldn't make such ill informed statements!??
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05/01/2021 12:22:38 7 4
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The vaccines don't prevent everyone innoculated from getting it (only 90% with Pfizer, 70% with Oxford) - that's why a vaccine programme is needed - if enough people have the vaccine, the virus doesn't have enough hosts to continue and dies out. Just like we did with Smallpox
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05/01/2021 12:24:07 9 2
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8% of deaths in the age group 45-64. I don't know how many of them have underlying conditions, but I'd rather take my chances with a vaccine than with catching covid.
05/01/2021 14:48:21 3 0
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Having the vaccine isn't compulsory, you can refuse it if you want. I'll be getting mine as soon as I'm able to.
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05/01/2021 12:01:24 321 46
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Where the heck is the Vaccines Minister Nadim Zahawi? Why isn't he front & centre with his plan for the mass vaccination of the population?

Without this, every other action being taken is completely meaningless!??
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05/01/2021 12:10:24 126 22
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Agree - now is the time for strong leadership
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Dee
05/01/2021 12:28:11 6 4
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I think they just gave him that title so he wouldn't vote against the last lockdown.
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05/01/2021 12:28:16 20 2
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I'd prefer him to be sorting out getting vaccines verified, then rolled out as fast as possible, but you're right - he should stop doing this to brief you.

Unlike some (maybe most) I don't need to know exactly what's happening - I don't understand it all or know better. I'm happy that there are two vaccines in use and my elderly relatives will be getting vaccinated as soon as it's their turn.
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05/01/2021 12:29:22 8 4
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Didn't even know we had one (which probably answers your question)
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05/01/2021 12:34:03 9 0
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"Where the heck is the Vaccines Minister Nadim Zahawi? Why isn't he front & centre with his plan for the mass vaccination of the population?"

Not sure why we need a minister or a new plan ... we vaccinate millions of people every year against flu - without a Vaccines Minister.
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05/01/2021 12:46:06 9 2
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There’s a ‘vaccines minister’?!
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05/01/2021 13:03:07 10 6
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Perhaps he's busy making sure that people in this country get vaccinated; in the time it took the UK to vaccinate 900,000 people, France vaccinated 350!! Perhaps it's time to stop griping and congratulate a good job being done
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05/01/2021 13:22:34 4 0
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Vaccines Minister Nadim Zahawi is obviously not up to the job . This Gov is being run by a one trick Brexit pony Boris no wonder ministers fail
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05/01/2021 13:25:27 3 2
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Maybe he is working rather than pontificating.
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05/01/2021 13:32:08 0 0
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Who? Never heard of him.
05/01/2021 13:38:10 1 0
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Because he and his family have been busy setting up a 'healthcare' company. One that he has nor declared in the register of members' interests.

In fairness, it can be difficult to line your own pockets while trying to organise something that will benefit an entire nation.
05/01/2021 13:48:31 2 0
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Headline appointment only - no real input. He is a Muppet.
05/01/2021 13:50:30 1 0
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Probably taking advice from Mr Hancock
05/01/2021 13:58:12 3 0
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If you asked Nadhim Zahawi whether it was raining, he’d check with Conservative central office before replying. He’s our MP and a total waste of space - so don’t hold out any hope of him being an effective vaccine minister.
05/01/2021 14:04:43 0 2
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Would you want him standing in front of reporters and appearing on TV or would you want him at his desk overseeing the issues, which is more productive
05/01/2021 14:15:29 1 0
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The initial phase is to protect the vulnerable and key workers and then by age. These are not, in the main, the people who are spreading the virus. Until this 25m have had their shots the the current attempt to control behaviours will need to continue, perhaps for several months.
05/01/2021 17:12:01 0 1
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Yes - but this is being managed by the NHS - so expect long delays
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05/01/2021 12:01:31 13 11
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Jabs are important as is all our behaviour...
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05/01/2021 12:01:31 61 45
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Hard to believe that full production and huge stockpile not in place while waiting for authorization. This country has to up its game after Brexit.
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05/01/2021 12:07:11 84 22
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Not very intelligent are you..AstraZeneza took a huge risk in producing the millions of vaccines they have so far they could not afford to have billions of vaccines produced upfront on the basis of several unknowns.
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05/01/2021 12:33:30 13 3
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I presume you didn't know that we have vaccinated more so far than the whole 27 countries of the EU put together . So much for post brexit doom.
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05/01/2021 13:01:42 6 0
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"Hard to believe that full production and huge stockpile not in place while waiting for authorization."

So if you were the MD of the company making this would you start manufacturing in bulk before approvals were granted?

I wouldn't UNLESS the Government under wrote the costs .......
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05/01/2021 12:01:50 96 68
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If only somebody smart could have noticed 9 months ago when they started trying to make a vaccine that when it arrived we would also need lots of these resources in order to get the vaccine out to the people who needed it. If only there were some smart people in our govenment. Unfortunately we have Boris "we just need to all pull together" tugging at the bottom brick in a Jenga tower.
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05/01/2021 12:22:45 51 7
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A pandemic has been on the 'top' of the government risk register for years - high probability & high consequence. So they have had years to prepare. (See the Cabinet Risk Register for details and the probability consequence matrix)
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05/01/2021 12:35:54 8 12
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So you want Boris to own a magic wand ? maybe you could lend him yours ?
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05/01/2021 12:37:26 14 3
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We could have had those smart leaders like the EU who have so far managed less vaccinations than the UK between all 27 of them.
Holland has vaccinated no one. France just over 500
BRITAIN HAS VACCINATED ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE.
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05/01/2021 12:40:18 13 2
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Boris is only the ‘official face’ of the nation’s response and the real work is done by scientists regardless of the politics.

I don’t understand why people credit/discredit Boris so much about Covid and rely on the government to tell them what to do.
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05/01/2021 12:45:48 11 2
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Surely this should have been thought of by the vaccine suppliers not the government? If you're planning to make millions of doses of vaccine you should consider what you will put them in.
651
05/01/2021 13:02:33 6 0
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Yes, just blame the one person. That's what he's there for and I'm sure he cares about as much as he should about your naivety.
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05/01/2021 13:19:56 5 0
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It is a world shortage not a British one.
05/01/2021 13:48:22 3 2
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Too negative and personal. Most other countries have similar problems.
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TDK
05/01/2021 12:01:58 329 54
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What does the 'Vaccine Delivery Minister' have to say - very little since he was appointed.....still doing the diversity training maybe?
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05/01/2021 12:10:30 111 42
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Or reading the meter at his horse-riding school - for a change
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05/01/2021 12:32:17 20 3
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We have a "vaccine delivery minister"?

Ask him/her whether they think "identifying radicalism" is a necessary training module for prospective extra volunteer vaccinators, as many are saying it is. (Roll's eyes in despair...)
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05/01/2021 12:41:26 14 10
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Writing articles for the far right express
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05/01/2021 12:57:34 8 11
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Or doing his job and delegating perhaps.
And what has happened to the PM's press secretary Allegra Stratton? Bozo employed her last October, on a £100,000 taxpayer funded salary, to be the "public face" of Downing Street. But her face hasn't been seen since.

Is she waiting for Bozo to have something sensible to announce?
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Pip
05/01/2021 13:25:03 1 0
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Ah, maybe some time then........?
05/01/2021 13:39:04 8 4
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Or figuring out how he can make a bundle from his part-time role.
05/01/2021 14:43:03 9 5
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From what I understand he has been setting up his own medical company. I wonder what contracts that will win?
Ray
05/01/2021 14:47:21 3 0
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Vaccine Delivery Minister is actually the Minister for Health, he probably has someone assigned as IC* for 'Vaccine delivery' and they are probably flapping like a chicken being chased by a fox, right now with the pressure of this role.

* IC is 'in charge' when in the military, but this was a lowly role i.e 'IC toilets' or 'IC vehicles' etc
05/01/2021 15:02:47 2 0
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Yep that's what you get when you have an organisation as big as the NHS, some lowly minion tasked with delivering the training says rules have been set up and can never be changed no matter what the circumstances.
05/01/2021 14:59:50 1 1
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Or perhaps busy helping his family set up a private vaccination company,

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/vaccine-minister-nadhim-zahawi-family-set-up-medical-company/
05/01/2021 15:21:42 2 2
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Maybe he's gone to Barnard Castle to have his eyes tested?
LH
05/01/2021 16:03:58 2 0
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... and De-Radicalisation and Fire Safety CPD online!!!!
05/01/2021 16:34:47 0 0
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That individual is a waste of space.
05/01/2021 17:00:03 1 0
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Pathetic, maybe he is getting on with the job and refusing to talk to the press that always reports the other side in order to balance debate, what silliness.
05/01/2021 17:33:22 0 0
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I believe he's busy setting up his own 'medical' company. I'm sure everything will be transparent and above board about that.
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05/01/2021 12:02:05 527 107
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We've known the vaccines were being developed...yet we've waited until they are ready to train people...we should be vaccinating 24/7 covid isn't 9 till 5
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
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05/01/2021 12:08:56 88 6
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I couldn't agree with you more Andy...............why can't it be 24/7 as you've said?
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05/01/2021 12:18:28 18 1
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certainly
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05/01/2021 12:21:04 1 20
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No, they need their beauty sleep.
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05/01/2021 12:22:18 7 10
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Are you volunteering to be trained for the night shift?
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05/01/2021 12:25:35 14 0
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As this article suggests, I think the biggest problem will supply of doses not getting the doses available into people's arms.
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05/01/2021 12:33:58 5 1
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Yep this could have been planned for well in advance - and probably has but the thing that has changed the urgency is the spike caused by the new variant. Seems like the NHS needs to get its act together - i mean its not like they are busy with anything else!
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05/01/2021 12:58:34 1 0
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As long as the vaccine supply can be ramped up sufficiently, including the vials.
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05/01/2021 11:59:59 11 23
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Can we really jab our way out of lockdown?

No.
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05/01/2021 12:02:06 19 3
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Yes off course we can, perhaps read the article:

"It would be early March before the full impact of the vaccination of these priority groups is felt.

Then, however, it could have a significant effect"
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05/01/2021 12:08:10 1 4
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"could"
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05/01/2021 12:02:13 194 108
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Misleading stuff this - as is most of the guff peddled by the media.

You cannot defeat a virus - you have to learn to live with it. Viruses mutate quickly.

We've vaccinated against flu for decades yet each year a new variant of flu comes round.
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05/01/2021 12:04:33 200 28
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One word
Smallpox.
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05/01/2021 12:16:46 45 7
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Coronavirus mutates at 1/10th the rate of flu virus. Not only that but with enough people immune, the virus can completely die out - exactly as happened with Smallpox
Human Beings/Apes co-existed with (corona)viruses for millions of years; only 150 of those years with vaccines.

I, nor my family, will be taking part in Pfizer's highly experimental drug trial (that doesn't end till December 2022). No messenger RNA going into our bodies, taa. Passports, for work, school, access to healthcare/NHS, socialising, travel? Mandatory?
Looks to me like was Icke right.
Removed
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05/01/2021 12:34:02 23 20
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Totally correct, I don't think most of us can cope if this is life in the UK for the next 12 months or more, total misery although some seem to quite enjoy lockdown, that is weird...
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05/01/2021 12:23:04 19 3
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But we haven't had a full blown flu pandemic, which would be nearly as destructive as covid.
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Tom
05/01/2021 12:56:39 9 2
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I don't think it's misleading. To control flu we need the flu vaccination to ensure it doesn't cause major problems. I think it's widely accepted that we will have to learn to live with Covid in the same way. What we're trying to do now is limit the damage it can do in the next few months. The media has been shocking but this article actually is quite informative for once.
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05/01/2021 13:01:35 5 8
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Pity the buffoons at SAGE who have Boris wrapper around their little fingers can't understand that. Yes it exists, and sadly is fatal for some, but even SAGE admit that nearly 33% aren't affected by it.
05/01/2021 17:58:33 0 0
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yes!
06/01/2021 08:02:24 0 0
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Vit C more effective than any vaccine.
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05/01/2021 12:03:09 10 24
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We won't be out of lockdown until the Tory government is removed.
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05/01/2021 12:07:20 5 0
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labour supports it too
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05/01/2021 12:19:47 1 0
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interesting assertion, at almost every point Kier Starmer has advocated lockdown earlier than the government.
Is your belief that the conservative government is more keen to restrict people than they should be, or even more keen that the opposition.
In both cases I think you are wrong.
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05/01/2021 12:00:55 28 44
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The need to inoculate the whole population for this virus is ridiculous.
If given to those who are currently recommend to have the flu jab, I'm sure it will save thousands of lives. But to insist everyone has it, when it's less lethal than flu to the healthy under 65's is crazy.
Make no mistake Johnson, Hancock, Whitty & Valance are Incompetent.
It's the most overhyped Bug since the Millennium.
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05/01/2021 12:03:39 38 9
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If you knew anything about the "millennium bug" & the enormous amount of work that went into ensuring nothing happened, you wouldn't make such ill informed statements!??
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05/01/2021 12:06:25 9 13
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Oh I'm fully aware of the enormous amount of wasted time that went on.
Believe me.
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MVP
05/01/2021 12:03:58 11 2
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If we do not administer the vaccine effectively, it will all end in tiers (again).
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MVP
05/01/2021 11:59:32 221 42
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It is disappointing the way that the distribution of the vaccine is being handled.

Why not let pharmacists and dentists as well as GPs administer the vaccine?
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05/01/2021 12:04:00 147 25
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Everyone vaccinated has to sit for 15 minutes to ensure no reaction. This will need considerable space for groups of people to sit socially distanced, GP surgeries may have the space but probably not dentists or pharmacies.
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05/01/2021 12:06:06 38 3
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Why not use gyms and sports halls ..they're empty at the moment
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05/01/2021 12:08:35 28 3
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Then send the dentists and pharmacists to the vaccination centre
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Ed
05/01/2021 12:18:14 30 4
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This can not be allowed to be a limiting factor. It beggars belief. The green book says the rate of anaphylaxis is one in 1.3 to 1.6 million. So if that is accurate we could vaccinate the entire country with less than 50 cases! Remember > 500 people are dying everyday - it's like the worlds worst plane crash happening everyday.
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05/01/2021 12:28:01 26 9
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Then do it in car parks, where people can sit in their car, and use the horn if they need assistance... It's not rocketscience.
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05/01/2021 12:33:32 3 1
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Sit in the car park.
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05/01/2021 12:41:19 1 3
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You have raised an important question. How many will fall in and die through catching Covid in the process of receiving the vaccine ? Needs very careful planning.
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05/01/2021 12:48:10 14 3
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Britain is obsessed with bureaucracy and documentation. After all you need to have people trained in preventing radicalisation of the over 80s don't you, one of the old dears might want to blow up the vaccination centre!
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05/01/2021 13:12:15 6 4
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Maybe for the most vulnerable but most people won’t even notice the prick - just like they don’t notice how incompetent Boris is
05/01/2021 13:42:28 0 0
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Their premises, especially dentists, have waiting areas, which could be expanded.
05/01/2021 13:42:56 3 0
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We need checks on those who have come forward to give the jabs. Do we want joe bloggs walking off the street and saying”I can do it” without proper checks?
05/01/2021 14:06:12 0 0
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plenty of empty bubs and restaurants to use
05/01/2021 14:33:32 2 0
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I had a flu jab at my GP yesterday, I didn’t have to sit for 15 mins, I was in and out in less than a minute.
05/01/2021 15:06:13 0 0
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Was going to add, how about the safe school halls?
05/01/2021 15:38:46 1 0
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Tents?
05/01/2021 16:04:52 0 0
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Thats incorrect, my sister 64. In the Welsh Ambulance Service, had to travel from Pembs to the vaccination centre in Cardigan for an appointment at 8pm. Didn't get seen until 9:15pm. Had the jab, came straight out and into her car to come home. No one mentioned anything about sitting around after.
Liz
05/01/2021 16:16:16 1 0
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That's because this is new. As they become more confident they will relax the rule.
05/01/2021 16:40:54 0 0
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necessary never the less!!
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05/01/2021 12:04:17 0 4
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No.
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05/01/2021 12:04:25 22 16
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The truth is 'No we can't' Vaccines will not kill the virus, they will reduce the effects. At some stage we are going to have to face the dilemma head on and accept it is here to stay. There needs to be a point when we say, "Lets accept it, we have reduced deaths". We need some form of exit strategy at some point, and nobody seems to want to talk about it.
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05/01/2021 12:08:53 26 1
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This article literally discusses the exit strategy. The PM did the same last night in a prime time TV broadcast. Vaccines have been constantly offered as a route to lifting curbs for 10 months.

If you don’t want to listen, don’t blame those doing the talking.
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05/01/2021 12:12:24 5 7
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Exactly, and this new virus isn't really that bad. Average age of a person dying with Covid is aged 82. The NHS needs to triage with the Nightingale Hospitals used for palliative care for elderly people they know will not make it or will never recover to have any quality of life, at the moment it seems they try and save everyone. Old people die. We treat animals better at end of life.
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05/01/2021 12:16:53 1 0
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So your opening statement is that we can't, but your argumen t is that we can.
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05/01/2021 12:20:44 4 2
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"Vaccines will not kill the virus, they will reduce the effects." Vaccines don't kill the virus at all. They prime the body's immune system. We have eradicated other diseases with vaccines - we can do the same with this one IF enough people get vaccinated for it to not find sufficient hosts it will die out.
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05/01/2021 12:02:13 194 108
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Misleading stuff this - as is most of the guff peddled by the media.

You cannot defeat a virus - you have to learn to live with it. Viruses mutate quickly.

We've vaccinated against flu for decades yet each year a new variant of flu comes round.
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05/01/2021 12:04:33 200 28
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One word
Smallpox.
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Dee
05/01/2021 12:31:55 28 6
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This isn't an inoculation though. I find the BBC very frustrating in that they seem to never mention the 70% and 90% efficacy isn't about becoming immune to covid19, only that it will reduce symptoms. Less symptoms = less spread = less hospital beds and less deaths.

People who are vaccinated still need to take precautions.
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05/01/2021 12:49:06 10 3
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Yes. That's two (with Rinderpest) out of 1000s of viral diseases that we have managed to eradicate.

Not exactly a promising success rate for eradicating Covid19.
Smallpox was eradicated by clean drinking water, good sanitation and better nutrition, as indeed were all such disease of the gut. Don't believe the Big Pharma hype Removed
05/01/2021 14:04:30 0 0
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Remember polio in the 50’s
05/01/2021 14:53:58 0 0
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Smallpox vaccine is a vaccine. Stop pretending this offering is alike and a vaccine. Look up definition of vaccine before reply pls
05/01/2021 15:41:38 1 0
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And almost apart from backwards Pakistan & Afghanistan.. Polio.
05/01/2021 17:06:43 0 0
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I am not an expert but I think the difference is infection rates. Smallpox does not infect as easily as flu and Coronaviruses in general do..
05/01/2021 17:28:16 0 0
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The elimination of smallpox was partly down to a comprehensive contact-tracing system, which we don't have. Vaccines are not a magic bullet.
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05/01/2021 12:05:00 6 7
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At the current rate of vaccination we should all have had our second jab within 12 hrs. A typical Boris over promise, under deliver statement!
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05/01/2021 12:06:17 2 4
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12 yrs
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05/01/2021 12:05:18 4 7
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Given that 'Lockdown' is not happening in the real sense then we will have to as there is no other way unless you want to treat people like China.
Most parents are sending their children to school because they need to work, this is a disaster not a full lockdown!
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05/01/2021 12:17:30 0 0
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schools are closed, keep up
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05/01/2021 12:05:18 14 6
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I thought Matt Hancocks mate had the contract to sort this out or does he now need another mate to help him out
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05/01/2021 12:05:25 7 8
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No - I am worried that we are pinning all our hopes on the vaccine. This should be working in tandem with covid infrastructure, or I am afraid to say lockdowns will be the norm for a few years at least
92
05/01/2021 12:13:29 1 0
bbc
We have to rely on the vaccine as nothing else seems to be having a lasting effect.
119
05/01/2021 12:16:09 0 0
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Years? Doubt it.
23
05/01/2021 12:05:40 13 12
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So, the Britain Bashing Corporation decides to run another negative article.
People require support during emergencies, not doom and gloom messages.
117
05/01/2021 12:15:52 6 1
bbc
It isn't negative, it's simply investigative journalism.

Would you prefer a return to the days of the Pathe newsreel telling us that the government was marvellous again today?
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BE
05/01/2021 12:05:45 100 45
bbc
As soon as all the vulnerable are vaccinated, they should wait indoors until it kicks in while the rest of us get back to it and start picking the country up.
91
05/01/2021 12:13:27 24 11
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How long does it take to kick in,my daughter in law had the vac three weeks ago, had two weekly clear tests then tested positive on the third one
259
05/01/2021 12:30:18 4 2
bbc
Sounds like a plan
567
05/01/2021 12:55:51 56 14
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Maybe if "the rest of us" hadn't had this "I'm alright, Jack..." attitude, we'd have had this under better control by now. Too many people have been "getting back to it" already, Christmas shopping, partying etc. So many with blood on their hands.
05/01/2021 15:26:50 0 0
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Wake up and smell the coffee Portnoy.
25
05/01/2021 12:05:50 265 21
bbc
Lets not be too critical yet This is an unprecedented situation the world finds itself in and I believe that no matter what politics you follow you should support the efforts being made... No use in saying alternatives would have been better.. No one has the answer yet and we must all take responsibility for our own efforts to avoid spread....There is no instant way out of this....
87
05/01/2021 12:13:04 245 39
bbc
A voice of reason at last. No UK Government has faced anything like this and the party politics from all sides have been disgraceful.
105
05/01/2021 12:14:52 12 27
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" This is an unprecedented situation"

Nope.
254
05/01/2021 12:16:55 17 23
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Last year in March, I think most people would have agreed with your words and rightly so. But after almost 11 months - this government has failed to prepare for a smooth roll out of the vaccine - we knew the vaccine was coming from April last year - Don't you think questions need to be asked about how the MHRA process and glass vial issue wasn't foreseen in advance and mitigated for sooner?
984
05/01/2021 13:32:59 19 1
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In the past it has taken 10 to 20 years to develop new vaccines. Most reasonable people recognize the amazing effort that the Pharma companies have done to get us to this stage.
05/01/2021 14:22:37 19 0
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I agree but at the same time Boris' biggest mistake through this has been partly relying on the general public.

That goodwill + togetherness doesn't exist among enough people in our country anymore particularly around my age (23).
05/01/2021 15:15:32 2 11
bbc
What a load of Tory sycophantic tosh - this incompetent shower have caused thousands of avoidable deaths - where do you go for your eye tests - Barnard Castle?
Kat
05/01/2021 17:28:25 0 0
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No- let's be critical. Yesterday should have been a major step forward, with the first Oxford vaccines being administered. Instead, kids, parents and staff were sent to schools for the first day of term only for the PM to announce that they would be closed with immediate effect.

Is that ineptitude or callousness? It's certainly at least one. I was a catostrophic day.
06/01/2021 08:33:16 0 0
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tell that to China, In Wuhan life is back to normal and we have not had vaccines yet.
9
05/01/2021 12:02:05 527 107
bbc
We've known the vaccines were being developed...yet we've waited until they are ready to train people...we should be vaccinating 24/7 covid isn't 9 till 5
26
05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
47
05/01/2021 12:08:48 168 5
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Why not? It's highly beneficial for them.
50
05/01/2021 12:08:58 88 4
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Yes what else do they do all day...p.s I'm up for work at 3am everyday so would gladly get up 30 mins early for the jab
52
05/01/2021 12:09:20 77 6
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Yes.
66
05/01/2021 12:10:24 73 4
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Yes
70
05/01/2021 12:11:03 71 4
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Yes, I am.
78
05/01/2021 12:11:59 71 5
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Actually I would - but there again she does nothing else (staying home because the Government decided that at her age she is vulnerable) she can change her sleep pattern for one day
84
05/01/2021 12:12:51 86 4
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Yes - if that's what it takes. This is the only way out of this situation.
104
05/01/2021 12:14:51 63 4
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Of course!
120
05/01/2021 12:16:28 55 4
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Yep
131
05/01/2021 12:17:23 38 1
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Yes. And I will drive anyone else that wants to go. This needs to be over.
140
05/01/2021 12:09:14 27 1
bbc
Yes
142
05/01/2021 12:11:05 38 1
bbc
Yes! Heck, I'm willing to vaccinate anyone who turns up all through the night if it means we can bring this virus under control sooner.
145
05/01/2021 12:18:00 11 5
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They're capable enought to do that themselves. Senility & decripitude haven't afflicted them yet.
171
05/01/2021 12:21:03 19 0
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Yes
174
05/01/2021 12:21:40 20 0
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Yes
177
05/01/2021 12:22:02 21 0
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I'll drive my self , thank you. and take my wife.
191
05/01/2021 12:23:28 21 1
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Yes! One or two inconvenient nights versus another year of chaos seems a more than fair exchange
193
05/01/2021 12:23:50 20 2
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Grow up and say something sensible.
206
05/01/2021 12:25:23 13 0
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Yes
212
05/01/2021 12:26:00 2 7
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They can get a taxi.
257
05/01/2021 12:30:12 7 2
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Yes and would walk 10 miles to get there.
298
05/01/2021 12:33:58 4 0
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Yes !
308
05/01/2021 12:34:35 4 0
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Yes
320
05/01/2021 12:35:53 6 0
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Yes, and travel 100's of miles. These are lives were discussing, not personal inconvenience.
367
05/01/2021 12:39:19 6 0
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I'm more than happy to drive to my local hospital at 2.00 a.m.
371
05/01/2021 12:39:33 4 1
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What else have they got to be doing whilst under lockdown ?
372
05/01/2021 12:39:37 3 0
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Yes.
401
05/01/2021 12:41:47 3 0
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Yes
441
Tim
05/01/2021 12:46:24 3 1
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I am of that age and I will go and get Vaccinated at any time but we have had at least 9 months to have got ready for this ( Boris)
442
05/01/2021 12:46:24 12 0
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"Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am"

To potentially save him from a virus and get lockdown lifted sooner? Yes I would take my 94 year old Grandad at 2.00am but surely you'd start with NHS & care workers some of whom will be on shift?
473
05/01/2021 12:49:15 1 0
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Yes
498
05/01/2021 12:50:54 1 0
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Yes, why not? This is vitally important for us to get back to normality so why not do something inconvenient to speed it up?
511
05/01/2021 12:51:48 1 0
bbc
Yes
551
05/01/2021 12:54:59 1 0
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yes.
586
05/01/2021 12:56:36 0 0
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That went right over your head didn't it?
601
05/01/2021 12:57:48 2 0
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Yes. Aren't you?

Heck, I'm happy to take anyone at all to be vaccinated at any time of the day or night, whether I know them or not.
15
05/01/2021 12:04:00 147 25
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Everyone vaccinated has to sit for 15 minutes to ensure no reaction. This will need considerable space for groups of people to sit socially distanced, GP surgeries may have the space but probably not dentists or pharmacies.
27
05/01/2021 12:06:06 38 3
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Why not use gyms and sports halls ..they're empty at the moment
391
05/01/2021 12:41:08 7 0
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They are!
445
05/01/2021 12:46:45 1 0
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And schools!
28
05/01/2021 12:06:14 1 1
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There has to be a willingness to have the jab. Whilst % stats are only as good as the target group it was interesting that both in surveys in the UK & USA about half as many people from BME groups said the would have it compared to the % from other groups despite stats which say they, together with the elderly, are at higher risk.
98
05/01/2021 12:14:28 0 0
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Fair enough, don't have it if you don't eant it. But don't then scream about racism when more BAME people continue to die after refusing the vaccine.
19
05/01/2021 12:05:00 6 7
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At the current rate of vaccination we should all have had our second jab within 12 hrs. A typical Boris over promise, under deliver statement!
29
05/01/2021 12:06:17 2 4
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12 yrs
30
05/01/2021 12:06:25 7 16
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Penetrating a person in any way must only be by consent. If a pensioner in a home chooses not to have a vaccine will they be thrown onto the streets? If I choose not take the vaccine will I be discriminated against. Serious questions remain unanswered.
74
05/01/2021 12:11:23 2 1
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They won't be thrown onto the streets, but both the pensioner & you will have to face, that shops & services may decide to refuse access to you. That is their decision! Or they may decide that they will charge more to cover the cost of having to wear PPE when dealing with you & the greater risk!??
163
05/01/2021 12:20:10 2 0
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It's the same as the various child vaccinations parents can opt to not have them given to their children but should not complain when their vaccinated child dies or is disabled by one of the preventable diseases.
13
05/01/2021 12:03:39 38 9
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If you knew anything about the "millennium bug" & the enormous amount of work that went into ensuring nothing happened, you wouldn't make such ill informed statements!??
31
05/01/2021 12:06:25 9 13
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Oh I'm fully aware of the enormous amount of wasted time that went on.
Believe me.
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
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05/01/2021 12:08:29 5 0
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Where's your proof? Have you a link or seen the autopsy???
46
05/01/2021 12:08:37 4 0
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Until we know cause of death your hysteria means nothing.
55
05/01/2021 12:09:28 1 3
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I said this yesterday . But I received short shrift .
56
05/01/2021 12:09:36 4 0
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Died of what? Did she have C19 anyway, what were her underlying health conditions...best you continue to hide away.
71
05/01/2021 12:11:13 2 0
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Always look on the bright side of life, eh?
89
05/01/2021 12:13:18 2 0
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You do realise people die anyway. It's been fashionable for a while.
155
05/01/2021 12:19:16 0 0
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Yes the vaccines have been properly tested and are safe. Unfortunately some people will have a negative reaction to the vaccine. Fortunately this is a very small number. This is no different to any vaccine out there at the moment.
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05/01/2021 12:18:48 0 0
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I think it is certain we will all die, after receiving the vaccine or not. One hopes the body will react to the vaccine. Hopefully the reaction in any population is benign enough to show a marked positive improvement in general health. Nothing foreign that enters the bloodstream can be completely safe.
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05/01/2021 12:27:34 0 0
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I heard about that too, but the media have been told to keep quiet. There is NO WAY that I'm having any jab!
33
05/01/2021 12:06:37 2 5
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As I have said before the Vaccine in Pill form would be the answer. But it seems its a few years away.
42
05/01/2021 12:07:57 1 1
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Canada are working on one, hopefully it can be fast tracked like the Oxford vaccine.
85
05/01/2021 12:12:54 0 0
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How is a pill more of an answer, if the effect is the same as the jab?
143
05/01/2021 12:11:14 0 0
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Which has to run the gauntlet of gastric juices and additional barriers. Most would be excreted before it reached the blood so dosage problematic. Aerosols would be more certain. Injection best of all.
1
MVP
05/01/2021 11:59:32 221 42
bbc
It is disappointing the way that the distribution of the vaccine is being handled.

Why not let pharmacists and dentists as well as GPs administer the vaccine?
34
05/01/2021 12:06:38 19 6
bbc
Because it's hard enough getting an appointment at the dentist as it is?
35
05/01/2021 12:06:52 25 27
bbc
Whether the vaccine works or not, these restrictions are ending in the Spring and normal life is returning.

That is non-negotiable.

If the Government tries to continue them, the British public will simply ignore them and revolt en masse.

Enough is enough.
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05/01/2021 12:15:17 8 6
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Some of us won't. The ones that aren't complete idiots.
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01
05/01/2021 12:26:03 0 1
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I don't think so, Xmas 2021 will also be cancelled. We are in this for many years!
687
05/01/2021 13:05:50 0 0
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Spoken by a member of the already revolting section of the British public.
36
05/01/2021 12:07:04 8 9
bbc
At the current rate of vaccination we should all have had our second jab within 12 yrs. A typical Boris over promise, under deliver statement!
6
05/01/2021 12:01:31 61 45
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Hard to believe that full production and huge stockpile not in place while waiting for authorization. This country has to up its game after Brexit.
37
05/01/2021 12:07:11 84 22
bbc
Not very intelligent are you..AstraZeneza took a huge risk in producing the millions of vaccines they have so far they could not afford to have billions of vaccines produced upfront on the basis of several unknowns.
113
05/01/2021 12:15:42 10 0
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The government assumed the risk for AstraZeneca on the basis that they supply it on a not for profit basis - in the early stages at least
176
05/01/2021 12:21:51 4 2
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but the QA could have been done to the batches of vaccine ahead of waiting for the (extremely likely) vaccine approval. The 4 million does in vials now, could then be available for use now.
197
05/01/2021 12:24:12 9 2
bbc
Not that much of a risk they had already been sold and the Government (ie your and me) may well have paid up front for the vaccine even if it did not work.
425
05/01/2021 12:44:38 5 7
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But they didn’t think to invest in glass vials to put it in? Hardly that clever
539
05/01/2021 12:36:15 3 2
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I think you will find it was the taxpayer underwriting that risk. Not very we informed, or intelligent, are you?
628
05/01/2021 13:00:46 1 3
bbc
Well she or he is clearly more intelligent than you if grammar is an indicator.
38
05/01/2021 12:07:18 3 2
bbc
Now is the time for the government to step up to the plate and overcome the obstacles. We truly are in a race against time. Over to you Boris and the NHS
39
05/01/2021 12:07:30 116 52
bbc
Once we've vaccinated the high risk we should go back to normal. 80% are symptomatic as it is and the other 19% survive. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it but reduces severity, accept you'll be exposed at some point, either shelter or get on with your life, but get it you will, if you're not in high risk group the risks are similar to those you take every day but don't think about.
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QED
05/01/2021 12:30:10 80 3
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The vaccine does stop a lot of people getting it, the rest appear to have less severe symptoms, that’s what the trials demonstrated. What we don’t yet know is whether and how much it prevents transmission.
402
05/01/2021 12:41:59 6 10
bbc
This is what people need to understand. The vaccine hasn't been trailed on u18s so they're all going to catch the virus at some point and the way the number of cases is increasing (ONS survey is a better estimate) if you're under 50 and healthy you're going to catch it before being vaccinated. (We tested +ve on 21 Dec - 2-kid family, all under 40, all back to normal now)
406
05/01/2021 12:42:31 3 0
bbc
What I expect will happen is that they will vaccinate people in the chosen order, and monitor hospitalisation and death rates. As the rates (hopefully) come down, then lockdown and restrictions can be eased.

There won't be a fixed link between finishing vaccinations of a group and easing restrictions.
452
05/01/2021 12:47:14 5 5
bbc
You don’t get to decide how the rest of us act.
470
05/01/2021 12:48:57 9 4
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The 1% that don't survive would still amount to a reasonable number.
812
05/01/2021 13:18:00 6 2
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But the NHS would collapse and many would die from other causes.
05/01/2021 14:59:07 2 3
bbc
Utter nonsense. I know people not in high risk groups who have had their health utterly ruined by this virus.
05/01/2021 15:24:21 1 3
bbc
Sounds very similar to the nonsense you berks have been spouting all year and that went well - it will be months before we know if the vaccines have worked.
05/01/2021 15:32:57 0 5
bbc
The current rate of deaths to positive tests is 3%, not 1%.
That's one in every 33 of those who test positive.
Would you gamble your life on 33:1 odds?
40
05/01/2021 12:07:38 33 5
bbc
But there are reports an "overload of bureaucracy" - including mandatory courses in fire safety and preventing radicalisation - is slowing down this training.

Well, of course I'd want to make sure I wasn't being injected by an IS recruit who didn't know how to use a fire extinguisher.
58
05/01/2021 12:09:56 24 0
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Fair enough, but 'preventing radicalisation' isn't a vetting process to weed out terrorists. It's a programme to help staff recognize the signs of people being drawn into actis of violence and extremism. Hardly relevant for a volunteer who will interact with each person for a few seconds, I feel.
1
MVP
05/01/2021 11:59:32 221 42
bbc
It is disappointing the way that the distribution of the vaccine is being handled.

Why not let pharmacists and dentists as well as GPs administer the vaccine?
41
05/01/2021 12:07:45 12 1
bbc
Read the article.
33
05/01/2021 12:06:37 2 5
bbc
As I have said before the Vaccine in Pill form would be the answer. But it seems its a few years away.
42
05/01/2021 12:07:57 1 1
bbc
Canada are working on one, hopefully it can be fast tracked like the Oxford vaccine.
43
05/01/2021 12:08:15 6 7
bbc
I'll be astonished if the powers that be don't find a way to cock-up the vaccine roll out.
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
44
05/01/2021 12:08:29 5 0
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Where's your proof? Have you a link or seen the autopsy???
164
05/01/2021 12:20:14 0 0
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Proof of what? I don't see anyone disputing that she died within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine.
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05/01/2021 12:04:00 147 25
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Everyone vaccinated has to sit for 15 minutes to ensure no reaction. This will need considerable space for groups of people to sit socially distanced, GP surgeries may have the space but probably not dentists or pharmacies.
45
05/01/2021 12:08:35 28 3
bbc
Then send the dentists and pharmacists to the vaccination centre
569
05/01/2021 12:55:53 10 0
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Pharmacists are already overworked - the pharmacies in our town already need 3 - 4 days to process prescriptions. There are not pharmacists standing round waiting for jobs
807
05/01/2021 13:17:06 2 0
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Then who does the dentist and pharmacists job?
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Pip
05/01/2021 13:20:51 1 2
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And pay them £10 a jab, all done in no time........?
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
46
05/01/2021 12:08:37 4 0
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Until we know cause of death your hysteria means nothing.
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05/01/2021 12:21:10 0 0
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No hysteria. Just facts.
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
47
05/01/2021 12:08:48 168 5
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Why not? It's highly beneficial for them.
17
05/01/2021 12:04:25 22 16
bbc
The truth is 'No we can't' Vaccines will not kill the virus, they will reduce the effects. At some stage we are going to have to face the dilemma head on and accept it is here to stay. There needs to be a point when we say, "Lets accept it, we have reduced deaths". We need some form of exit strategy at some point, and nobody seems to want to talk about it.
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05/01/2021 12:08:53 26 1
bbc
This article literally discusses the exit strategy. The PM did the same last night in a prime time TV broadcast. Vaccines have been constantly offered as a route to lifting curbs for 10 months.

If you don’t want to listen, don’t blame those doing the talking.
114
05/01/2021 12:15:43 0 1
bbc
He spoke broadly about it. But we need a benchmark, not vague outlines
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05/01/2021 12:02:05 527 107
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We've known the vaccines were being developed...yet we've waited until they are ready to train people...we should be vaccinating 24/7 covid isn't 9 till 5
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05/01/2021 12:08:56 88 6
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I couldn't agree with you more Andy...............why can't it be 24/7 as you've said?
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05/01/2021 12:33:28 14 3
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Because medical staff need to sleep and eat.

Plus if you read the article it says the factors slowing the process down are packaging the vaccine and batch testing each new batch. Any final year medical, nursing or vet student is more than capable of giving the jab.
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05/01/2021 12:52:52 3 0
bbc
Logistics. Health and Safety. Security. Production of vaccines. Public transport to and from the 24/7 sites. No. of staff required to run a 24/7 service.
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
50
05/01/2021 12:08:58 88 4
bbc
Yes what else do they do all day...p.s I'm up for work at 3am everyday so would gladly get up 30 mins early for the jab
51
05/01/2021 12:09:07 5 8
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DOOM & GLOOM BBC! We know its bad, yet this constant way off putting a cloud over everything. Yes its tough but a case off optimism would not go a miss. So glad your agenda journalists were not around in WW2, god we would have been finished in the first week.
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QED
05/01/2021 12:39:15 1 0
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Just to clarify bbc journalists were around in WW2, doing their job just as now.
497
05/01/2021 12:50:51 1 0
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Who is your preferred news provider - please tell us.
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
52
05/01/2021 12:09:20 77 6
bbc
Yes.
53
05/01/2021 12:09:22 8 3
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An annual jab now seems inevitable. The virus will continue to mutate just like every virus does. But we can all help ourselves by washing hands and keeping a distance.
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05/01/2021 12:09:24 1172 166
bbc
The negativity on this subject is absolutely astounding. I am no fan of how the Govt have managed this Pandemic, but when it comes to vaccination we are literally leading the World.......and people just moan. I'm afraid the only answer here is to have a little patience. I for one am happy to applaud all involved in the vaccine roll out - keep up the good work!!
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05/01/2021 12:18:32 669 143
bbc
Couldn't have put it better myself. No matter what the government has done there is always somebody moaning. Its been dreadful for everyone. I really wish people would stop whining.
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05/01/2021 12:29:15 45 183
bbc
Leading the world, you really did fall for the spin.

Give it a week, and the EU would have overtaken us.
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05/01/2021 12:30:04 137 38
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Trying to undermine the Government has certainly been the oppositions role.... but the media appear to think that it is their role too.
Strange no 'league tables' for amount of European vaccinations ? Only because it puts our government in a good light.
Go look at France or Netherlands figures.
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05/01/2021 12:32:34 105 44
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People in the UK like to knock the UK. Only country in the world where it's population hate their country.
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05/01/2021 12:34:03 116 13
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The answer is always more obvious and simpler for those who don’t have to do the job.
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05/01/2021 12:35:56 53 86
bbc
As this government would be the first to agree, just because you are doing something well doesn't mean to say that you cant do it better or can't continue to improve in order to meet new, higher targets. Thousands of people working in NHS, Education and other public services will tell you this is their daily reality...don't let Boris' honeyed tongue distract you from his shortcomings!
533
05/01/2021 12:53:12 25 43
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But the truth and facts hurt don't they? Which is why this government is so sparing with them. And please, please stop banging on about how world beating we are - you may be no fan of the Tories but you're beginning to sound just like them.
537
05/01/2021 12:53:53 25 42
bbc
So, we are not allowed to criticise/challenge what the Govt promises any more then? I am sorry, but 1,000 centres vaccinating 2,000-3,000 people per day is NOT going to happen despite Johnson's wishful thinking. You come back here on 15th Feb. (2021 btw) and tell me 14 million have been vaccinated .
556
05/01/2021 12:55:20 76 6
bbc
Agree completely. The problem is that political prejudice is so completely ingrained in some people that they are no longer capable of rational discerning thought. They are literally incapable of conducting an objective analysis because their political prejudice is so overwhelming. Sadly, this is true of both left and right.
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05/01/2021 12:59:48 16 32
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The Govt forms a Govt of national unity at times like this, but because they wanted to pursue a hard Brexit they couldn't, that was the decision of the PM. Israel is leading the world (over 10% of the population vaccinated) and Germany is already vaccinating more people per day than we are. I hope we will do this well but this Govt's track record is weak and we haven't invested in Science Labs.
638
05/01/2021 13:01:50 22 7
bbc
Agreed. There are bound to be some delays, bottlenecks and cock ups doing something on this scale for the first time. We just need to be patient and take care in the meantime. Which doesn't let Bojo off the hook for the utter shambles of his so-called leadership of this crisis.
671
05/01/2021 13:04:51 8 17
bbc
At every step of the way this awful government has failed to act decisively and effectively. Of course, I support those involved with the development of vaccines but forgive those of us urging caution when failure is this government's forte.
681
05/01/2021 12:51:30 7 20
bbc
Leading the world my backside!!
701
05/01/2021 13:06:58 4 12
bbc
Negativity comes from above, go to school dont go to school.
We have another laughable lockdown, have you seen the traffic out there?
Shops are rammed, Its like the Xmas rush all over again.
716
Pip
05/01/2021 13:08:23 8 9
bbc
An important part of the vaccination process was the requirement for a 3 week gap, that's suddenly become a 3 month gap, that's not good work............?
800
05/01/2021 13:16:22 13 4
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And leading that negativity - the BBC editorial staff.
875
05/01/2021 13:03:49 11 1
bbc
I agree, negativity being fuelled by the media constantly.
938
05/01/2021 13:28:51 5 14
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75,000 DEAD

Tory supporters cheering
993
05/01/2021 13:17:14 8 8
bbc
Sadly the BBC are non longer a news outlet but a machine to pedal whichever agenda is current. The efforts to get these vaccines out is fantastic, yet, its all about bashing the government
Have you not heard the BBC News updated slogan :-
Don't the days seem dark and long.
When everything's right and nothing goes wrong.
And isn't your life extremely flat
When you've nothing whatever to grumble at.
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05/01/2021 13:24:00 3 11
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What the NHS does has little to do with Johnson the TORIES opposed its conception !
05/01/2021 13:40:12 7 1
bbc
We have only just got the vaccine and now we have people moaning its not getting out quick enough. Give the makers a chance.
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
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05/01/2021 12:09:28 1 3
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I said this yesterday . But I received short shrift .
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
56
05/01/2021 12:09:36 4 0
bbc
Died of what? Did she have C19 anyway, what were her underlying health conditions...best you continue to hide away.
151
05/01/2021 12:18:39 0 0
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Cause of death currently unknown - may or may not be related to the vaccine. No underlying health issues
57
05/01/2021 12:09:42 11 7
bbc
I'd like to see a end of this nightly 'Infection rate league table' Never has anything been so misleading. I see it's only purpose is to frighten. The virus is not going to go away. You will still get infections when everyone is vaccinated. So like a war that cannot be totally won, when do we say. "We have achieved what we needed to"?
126
05/01/2021 12:16:56 4 1
bbc
We can always hope the virus will mutate so it no longer infects humans as the 1918 flu virus appeared to have done.
128
05/01/2021 12:16:59 3 1
bbc
Agree an exit strategy is needed after this vaccination accepting that 1600 people die every day in a normal year - we risk creating society that normalises counting and reporting deaths from flu and colds and demands something be done - this isn’t flu but the future pressures could be the same for every variant... remember that an extra 50k people died in 2016 from a new flu and was no reporting
129
05/01/2021 12:17:05 1 2
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It is exposing the Tory governments incompetence.
40
05/01/2021 12:07:38 33 5
bbc
But there are reports an "overload of bureaucracy" - including mandatory courses in fire safety and preventing radicalisation - is slowing down this training.

Well, of course I'd want to make sure I wasn't being injected by an IS recruit who didn't know how to use a fire extinguisher.
58
05/01/2021 12:09:56 24 0
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Fair enough, but 'preventing radicalisation' isn't a vetting process to weed out terrorists. It's a programme to help staff recognize the signs of people being drawn into actis of violence and extremism. Hardly relevant for a volunteer who will interact with each person for a few seconds, I feel.
59
05/01/2021 12:09:59 2 1
bbc
Well given that lockdowns have been made law to "control the numbers" and "save the NHS" and it's said the only way now is to innoculate the population, we don't have much of a choice.
180
05/01/2021 12:22:20 1 4
bbc
please explain why the NHS needs to be "saved" It had £3bln debt written off, it wastes more money than any corporate organisation, has lost its original ethic to "keep the working man in work" set in 1948. Also why isn't the vaccination being made mandatory, without 70% take up there is no herd immunity. Unless there is a medical reason for not taking the vaccine it should be given
60
05/01/2021 12:10:01 211 43
bbc
Just do what China did, stop counting!

Sorted.
But the English virus is tearing through the country because the little Englanders are desperate for freedom Removed
05/01/2021 13:14:50 5 9
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China is covid free thats why their vaccine trials are going slow
05/01/2021 13:44:03 16 0
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Also lie about it, sorted
05/01/2021 14:41:42 12 0
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Also add some diversionary tactics too by changing the narrative and blaming others for where it started. Ask most Chinese where they think it all started - they'll either claim ignorance or spout some wild conspiracy theory (comes in various sizes ranging from frozen fishfingers to the CIA).
61
05/01/2021 12:10:04 6 7
bbc
I think this pathetic Tory government is waiting for the South African variant to reach our shores so they can blame it for the vaccine not working. Close the borders now.
62
05/01/2021 12:10:07 245 110
bbc
Just get it done as soon as you're offered, thats the only way out of all this - i will be getting it asap.
Article is usual BBC voice of doom clickbait
82
05/01/2021 12:12:26 189 47
bbc
I didn’t get a voice of doom from the article. It seemed rather reasonable actually, explaining the hurdles and current issues. You can’t vaccinate with something you don’t yet have.
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05/01/2021 12:30:45 15 25
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Correct. We've vaccinated more than the rest of europe combined and are set to vaccinate more during January than the whole of europe again. And still the BBC run down the efforts of those achieving this.
05/01/2021 13:35:55 20 7
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I read the article and it wasn't at all a voice of doom as you put it. It was balanced, factual & gave the pros and risks. Thats information that most of us can absorb and understand.

If the article was in its entirety just the 'good news' then anyone with sense would find that suspicious.

I suspect very strongly your comment was already preformed and you probably never bothered to read it.
05/01/2021 14:12:57 1 3
bbc
Based on 1,000,000 vaccinations a week, my estimated date to be offered a first dose of the vaccine is March 2022.
05/01/2021 16:47:19 1 5
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So true, if I have learned one thing over the last year it is that the BBC is not fit for purpose, they are a bunch of rude whingers. Scrap the license fee!!!
63
05/01/2021 12:10:12 3 5
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The answer is our caped crusader BOJO keep the faith,?? now...... please adhere to the house rules
97
05/01/2021 12:14:10 3 0
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If BOJO is the answer , then the wrong question is being asked.
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Ed
05/01/2021 12:10:22 116 13
bbc
Can the glass vials not be recycled - sterilized and used again?
258
05/01/2021 12:30:12 43 9
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Unfortunately not that I'm aware of. Any glass vials, whether it's a vaccine, antibiotics or anaesthetic are disposed of after use.
266
05/01/2021 12:30:46 25 4
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This is effectively a war on the virus and, like in wartime, efforts and resources have to be prioritised.

I’m sure the glass industry will step up to the mark and the shortage of vials will turn out to be a non-story.
295
05/01/2021 12:33:57 14 6
bbc
Exactly my thought! Use the vaccine, return empty vial to a storage tray, ship the trays back to the vendors, and off we go again
311
05/01/2021 12:34:53 2 5
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Wrong type of glass probably.
516
05/01/2021 12:31:31 21 3
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no they would need to be melted down and remade
538
05/01/2021 12:35:55 0 0
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Agree, just made the same point then noticed your comment.
570
05/01/2021 12:55:56 7 11
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Why is each dose stored in its own vial anyway? One gallon glass bottles connected to a syringe with replacable needles, just like on sheep farms. (Exxcept the same needle is used on all the sheep)
853
05/01/2021 12:58:29 3 0
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Yes, glass is recycled.
05/01/2021 14:03:49 3 0
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Not for medical use.

The contents are going be injected into people. You can't take the risk of any contaminant - not even disinfectant!
05/01/2021 15:28:49 2 0
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Doing so (collection, delivery to a certified & available source of sterilisation & sterilisation) would probably me more resource hungry than manufacturing new ones.
05/01/2021 15:32:23 0 0
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They could contain bacterial endotoxin, which can cause dangerous fevers. This toxin is not destroyed by heating or irradiation.
05/01/2021 15:40:41 0 1
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Or prefill syringes and miss a step
05/01/2021 18:12:13 0 0
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With the vast profit to be made by the pharmaceutical companies can you see really see them running out of glass vials?
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05/01/2021 12:01:24 321 46
bbc
Where the heck is the Vaccines Minister Nadim Zahawi? Why isn't he front & centre with his plan for the mass vaccination of the population?

Without this, every other action being taken is completely meaningless!??
65
05/01/2021 12:10:24 126 22
bbc
Agree - now is the time for strong leadership
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05/01/2021 12:20:26 16 13
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I'd settle for anything that looked like leadership given Bumbling Boris's track record
776
05/01/2021 13:13:49 8 0
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It is not hard. How many vaccines bottling plants are there? How many can each plant make? One times the other tells us how many we will get. You can order a zillion million trillion but you will only get what can be made.
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Pip
05/01/2021 13:15:36 0 0
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Oh dear, where are we going to find that then........?
05/01/2021 14:26:36 0 0
bbc
Oh dear!
05/01/2021 16:14:45 0 0
bbc
Dad's Army phrases come to mind: "Don't panic!" and "We're doomed!"
26
05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
66
05/01/2021 12:10:24 73 4
bbc
Yes
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TDK
05/01/2021 12:01:58 329 54
bbc
What does the 'Vaccine Delivery Minister' have to say - very little since he was appointed.....still doing the diversity training maybe?
67
05/01/2021 12:10:30 111 42
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Or reading the meter at his horse-riding school - for a change
624
05/01/2021 13:00:10 13 15
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Loads of people own horses. Particularly in the countryside. You don’t have to be rich to own one, as you stupidly insinuate. Like a dog it gets you out and keeps you fit. The travelling community are also rather keen. Want to upset them as well?
68
05/01/2021 12:10:52 12 10
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By the time this lockdown is removed there will be another strain of the virus which will resist the vaccine and so we will need another lockdown. But just think of it - lockdowns reduce our carbon footprints and they will save the world.
635
05/01/2021 13:01:29 0 1
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Only if you believe in the MMGW religion.
850
05/01/2021 13:21:01 0 0
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Save the world for who?

We will all be mentally unstable and suicidal
69
05/01/2021 12:10:57 243 41
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If we don't go back to normal once the high risk groups have been vaccinated then we need to be asking why.
297
05/01/2021 12:33:58 91 100
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Long covid will add a lot of people to the high risk groups.

We want to avoid that as well.
408
05/01/2021 12:43:03 20 20
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Because not everyone under 70 wants to be Ill.

The jab doesn’t get rid of the virus just means you don’t get ill from it.

It will still be out there just those working and paying taxes so the over 70’s can do nothing will be vulnerable to it
430
05/01/2021 12:45:12 12 24
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And if you knew why, would that CHANGE anything or simply give you something to moan about? It is what it is. We'll be safe (or safer) when the scientists say so. "Why" is an issue for 2022 or, God forbid, 2023. In 2021 we keep going until it's fixed.
512
05/01/2021 12:51:51 22 23
bbc
The virus can only mutate inside a host. The more hosts, the more chance of mutation; the more mutations the higher the chance one of them renders it more dangerous. That's why we must get the R rate down as low as possible before we go back to normal.
544
05/01/2021 12:54:28 44 4
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Yep - while there will still be some risks to some people in the rest of the population, once the high risk groups are done we really need to open up fully.
There will always be some risk of someone dying from an infectious disease (it happened all the time before COVID), but at some point the costs of these restrictions will outweigh the benefits.
555
05/01/2021 12:55:17 11 15
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We need to be asking that if we do. Vaccinating the high risk groups largely eliminates dying in ICU's from lung and other organ failures. It doesn't stop the under 50's that have difficulty breathing but just need some supplementary oxygen. If health services are overwhelmed then that becomes the new source of mass dying and that is 3-4% of people instead of 1-2% as it is now.
666
05/01/2021 13:04:39 5 13
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It rather depends on the latest variant of the virus. It appears to affect under 50’s more than the original.

There is nothing that says having the vaccine stops you transmitting the virus. So the old may be passing on to younger age groups rather than vice versa.
820
05/01/2021 12:53:52 5 13
bbc
You need to be asking why. Why don't you understand that this is a deadly pandemic.
822
05/01/2021 12:54:33 2 8
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Why what?
Why don't you have a clue?
05/01/2021 13:47:04 1 13
bbc
I dont want to go back to 'normal.. I hate commuting to work, I hate queues, I hate planes in the skies. I like the planet, I like having time to do things and I like the way nature was healing itself whilst self important humans were kept in their boxes for a while..
05/01/2021 14:00:19 6 1
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Easy really, SAGE the governments scientific advisers will find five rules to fulfil before it can happen or use their old favourite the R Rate to stop it.
05/01/2021 14:13:20 0 1
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What do you call a high risk group over 50? you have to quanify your statement
05/01/2021 14:36:34 0 0
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I guess it depends what groups are considered high risk. Up to yesterday is was the groups 1 to 6 but now it's 1 to 4 so making any target easier to acheive, but the restrictions will only come off gradually as the numbers are much lower and falling.
05/01/2021 15:12:02 0 6
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Thinking like that is why we are locked down again.
05/01/2021 15:44:51 0 3
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we have given to the wrong age groups first the young people the ones thats out most should have been first 40 till 65 year olds
05/01/2021 15:57:14 0 7
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There's no point in part vaccinating a population. To stop this virus we all need to be vaccinated.
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
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05/01/2021 12:11:03 71 4
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Yes, I am.
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
71
05/01/2021 12:11:13 2 0
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Always look on the bright side of life, eh?
72
05/01/2021 12:11:19 9 3
bbc
Humans have created a World where the favourite food of Bacteria and Viruses (Humans) are all jammed into Cities and Towns with frequent contact with people from every Nation in the World.
73
05/01/2021 12:11:22 11 6
bbc
Surely recycling these vials efficiently would help ?
382
05/01/2021 12:40:17 5 0
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Too much recyclable stuff ends up in land fill. Makes you wonder why we sort our bins out.
507
05/01/2021 12:51:21 1 0
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I remember MANY years ago a Spanish cafe offering two prices for tea: one for a new bag and cheaper for a used one! Which will you have?
542
05/01/2021 12:39:09 1 1
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Recycling the vials will spread COVID.
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05/01/2021 12:06:25 7 16
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Penetrating a person in any way must only be by consent. If a pensioner in a home chooses not to have a vaccine will they be thrown onto the streets? If I choose not take the vaccine will I be discriminated against. Serious questions remain unanswered.
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05/01/2021 12:11:23 2 1
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They won't be thrown onto the streets, but both the pensioner & you will have to face, that shops & services may decide to refuse access to you. That is their decision! Or they may decide that they will charge more to cover the cost of having to wear PPE when dealing with you & the greater risk!??
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05/01/2021 12:11:41 5 2
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are the vials being sanitised and reused?
426
05/01/2021 12:44:51 1 0
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No. It is not the sample as recycling tin cans.
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Jo
05/01/2021 12:11:49 254 33
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I don't understand this government. If they put the vaccine into alcohol and opened up the pubs the vast majority of people would be vaccinated by the weekend...........
545
05/01/2021 12:54:32 95 19
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Sound idea - even if it bears similarities with the Trump bleach and sunshine solution to covid
583
05/01/2021 12:44:16 7 7
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bravo bravo !! now stay off facebook !
596
05/01/2021 12:57:17 9 0
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Very funny.... if only it will work
965
05/01/2021 13:31:28 1 4
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Thought pubs were shut or am I missing something!!!
05/01/2021 13:40:41 3 3
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May I suggest you read the label on the paracetamol carton before you self medicate next time you have it headache.
It informs you how to take and use the medicine safely and is much more truthful than facebook.
05/01/2021 13:50:07 4 0
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The Monster Raving Looney Party already suggested that!
05/01/2021 14:00:46 0 0
bbc
????
05/01/2021 14:14:31 0 0
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Love it!
05/01/2021 14:21:26 3 1
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Funny ??
For some of your respondents, very few vaccines would work entering your digestive tract, you'll literally digest it, as with most viruses/bacteria as they're not evolved to love there.
05/01/2021 15:47:49 1 0
bbc
now that is a great idea, write to your local MP immediately
05/01/2021 17:01:30 0 0
bbc
Would be nice but I am afraid you destroy the vaccine in the stomach acid. That is why one has to inject it.
05/01/2021 17:19:27 2 0
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Brilliant. Let's hope respondents don't think you're being serious ........!!!
Ben
06/01/2021 02:42:35 0 0
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Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!
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05/01/2021 12:11:51 4 2
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Boris naturally wants to portray a positive stance for vaccine roll out, admittedly he did have caveats and rightly so as this is not only a huge undertaking but the logistics of supply and demand will have hiccups and we just need these to be infrequent so we meet the targets.
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
78
05/01/2021 12:11:59 71 5
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Actually I would - but there again she does nothing else (staying home because the Government decided that at her age she is vulnerable) she can change her sleep pattern for one day
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05/01/2021 12:12:08 5 6
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We will look back on this after the U.K. is the first western country through the other side and be proud of how this was delivered despite challenges along the way - it’s like mass testing took a while and contact tracing - perfection is the enemy of good - let’s get on with it and deal with issues as they present rather than wait for perfection
103
05/01/2021 12:14:44 1 1
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I am glad that Brexit is out of the way, and the government can now fully concentrate on sorting out this problem.
158
05/01/2021 12:19:46 1 0
bbc
Why would people down vote this? Do they want us to fail?
80
05/01/2021 12:12:24 4 4
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It's OK. Boris has got a mate who once put something in a glass and passed it to someone else so he's going to bung them a few million quid to organise the distribution of the vaccine.
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05/01/2021 12:04:25 22 16
bbc
The truth is 'No we can't' Vaccines will not kill the virus, they will reduce the effects. At some stage we are going to have to face the dilemma head on and accept it is here to stay. There needs to be a point when we say, "Lets accept it, we have reduced deaths". We need some form of exit strategy at some point, and nobody seems to want to talk about it.
81
05/01/2021 12:12:24 5 7
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Exactly, and this new virus isn't really that bad. Average age of a person dying with Covid is aged 82. The NHS needs to triage with the Nightingale Hospitals used for palliative care for elderly people they know will not make it or will never recover to have any quality of life, at the moment it seems they try and save everyone. Old people die. We treat animals better at end of life.
62
05/01/2021 12:10:07 245 110
bbc
Just get it done as soon as you're offered, thats the only way out of all this - i will be getting it asap.
Article is usual BBC voice of doom clickbait
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05/01/2021 12:12:26 189 47
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I didn’t get a voice of doom from the article. It seemed rather reasonable actually, explaining the hurdles and current issues. You can’t vaccinate with something you don’t yet have.
972
05/01/2021 13:31:58 13 5
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Very true but off course Tories will always blame the BBC not themselves
83
05/01/2021 12:12:36 4 3
bbc
Has anyone else noticed that the "death by age" chart adds up to significantly more than 100%. At best that makes it questionable information.
124
05/01/2021 12:16:53 1 0
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So 100% of the people who died, died.
134
05/01/2021 12:17:37 1 0
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It’s separate for men and women, 200% total therefore
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05/01/2021 12:05:54 259 351
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Ok, Are you willing to take Gran or Grandad to be vaccinated at 2:00 am
84
05/01/2021 12:12:51 86 4
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Yes - if that's what it takes. This is the only way out of this situation.
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05/01/2021 12:06:37 2 5
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As I have said before the Vaccine in Pill form would be the answer. But it seems its a few years away.
85
05/01/2021 12:12:54 0 0
bbc
How is a pill more of an answer, if the effect is the same as the jab?
86
05/01/2021 12:12:57 8 3
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We need clarity on what the criteria is for lifting of restrictions. Is it not until all adults are vaccinated or just those in vulnerable groups? Do the gov accept that there will be ongoing death from Covid-19 for months / years to come or do we wish to eradicate death from it entirely? Is it going to be just to stop the NHS being overwhelmed? We need clarity on the thinking here.
115
05/01/2021 12:15:46 8 5
bbc
You want clarity from a Boris led Govt? You might as well ask for the moon, as you have about as much chance!??
05/01/2021 14:09:43 0 0
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The government have said that once the priority groups have been vaccinated they will look at reducing restrictions. It is hard to state anything with certainty as there are lots of variables involved and no-one knows what path the virus will take or how high infection levels will be. A big dependency is the vaccines ability to prevent transmission as currently this is unknown.
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05/01/2021 12:05:50 265 21
bbc
Lets not be too critical yet This is an unprecedented situation the world finds itself in and I believe that no matter what politics you follow you should support the efforts being made... No use in saying alternatives would have been better.. No one has the answer yet and we must all take responsibility for our own efforts to avoid spread....There is no instant way out of this....
87
05/01/2021 12:13:04 245 39
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A voice of reason at last. No UK Government has faced anything like this and the party politics from all sides have been disgraceful.
937
05/01/2021 13:28:46 13 1
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This the wrong place for reason and facts. Don’t you know these people have got a narrative to bang on about.
But the uk has been effected worse then 99% of other natioms worlwide as a direct result of Boris Jonnsons dither and delay and failed policies. Just look at how the rest of the EU is currently doing compared to boris "saviour of Christmas" Johnsons UK
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cl
05/01/2021 13:33:24 7 5
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All governments should have had generic pandemic plans at the ready. (And necessary equipment stockpiled) Globally, we've had SARS, MERS and swine flu etc to remind us of the potential for a pandemic. Disappointed in our performance on this point and many others. Agree that a united approach from politicians AND the public would go a long way to improve our current situation.
Pip
05/01/2021 13:36:58 2 12
bbc
Especially the Tories........?
05/01/2021 13:45:01 21 1
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Agree. Unfortunately we have 60 million experts in this country who think they know better.
05/01/2021 15:16:12 2 9
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Especially from your lot Toryboy.
05/01/2021 15:31:57 5 1
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Countries such as Oz & NZ saw this as a health crisis and their populations treated it as such and worked together to reach the position they are in now. Only in UK and US did people for some reason start making it a political problem. Deciding whether or not to obey lockdown restrictions based on whether or not you were pro- or anti- tory/Boris is just madness. But we see that in these comments.
05/01/2021 16:38:10 0 3
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Tory apologist
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05/01/2021 12:13:04 2 6
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Staggering incompetence by Johnson's Clowns yet again, almost as comical as his primetime TV appearance last night. Key Workers are supposedly the most vulnerable to catching this 'killer' virus that 99% of people survive, yet these are the only kids allowed to go to school?? I'll say it again, the children most likely to have the virus are the only ones allowed to go to school?!?!?
A nurse in Portugal just died suddenly after receiving the (Pfizer) vaccine. But it's fine, the vaccines have been properly tested and are completely safe Removed
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05/01/2021 12:13:18 2 0
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You do realise people die anyway. It's been fashionable for a while.
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05/01/2021 12:23:50 0 2
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She was 41 with no underlying conditions. Healthy 41 year olds don't often just drop dead for unexplained reasons. I'm not saying the vaccine killed her, but it does seem a bit sus
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05/01/2021 12:13:19 422 77
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We've known about Covid-19 for a year.
We've known there would be a vaccine for over 6 months.
We've known it would need to be placed in glass vials for nearly as long.

So why is there a shortage of glass vials? They're not difficult to produce, they don't need to be hand-made, or anything, so why wasn't production stepped up in readiness?
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05/01/2021 12:32:23 252 20
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The world will need billions of vials. That will take a lot of manufacturing.
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Tom
05/01/2021 12:41:07 28 11
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Credit where credit is due. This government has been brilliant in its foresight in acquiring the vaccine before it was properly developed and organising its approval. Way ahead of other countries. It would be a tragedy if we fell short of the target because of these issues which are minor compared to what has been achieved.
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05/01/2021 12:47:57 13 22
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where would you store a hundred million glass vials?
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05/01/2021 12:49:33 22 31
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There is a shortage of excuses. Glass vials was the best they could come with.
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05/01/2021 12:50:01 28 1
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Actually side stepping vials would be the correct way to go: Vaccination centres have called for predawn vaccine to be supplied in syringes - this speeds up the process because you have to use qualified vaccinators to draw the the vaccine from the vial, which takes up a lot of their time.
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05/01/2021 12:51:07 23 7
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Surely the glass vials can be reused - can't they ?
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05/01/2021 12:54:38 51 55
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there's a shortage because the tories haven't decided which of their cronies can make millions out of a contract and then donate to tory party and expect a knighthood.
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05/01/2021 12:54:58 34 7
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I would bet they probably did try and plan for this many months ago, but as very. Country in the world wants millions of glass vials then I am not surprised there’s a shortage and that it may take some time to get on top of things. You simply can’t pull 6 billion vials out of magic hat.
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05/01/2021 12:55:35 26 0
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It was. The Government set up manufacturing in Wales.
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05/01/2021 12:56:45 7 2
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Yeah let's point the finger! That will really be helpful at this point! Yaaaay!!!!!
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05/01/2021 12:58:32 6 1
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What size would you have produce Pete. How would you know until the vaccine had been approved
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05/01/2021 13:03:15 4 3
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You are an expert are you on glass vial making?
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05/01/2021 13:04:58 9 1
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Presumably the whole of the rest of Europe is in the same boat so perhaps it's not as simple as you think; or if it is, perhaps you might care to take over the production
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05/01/2021 13:10:43 4 0
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Modern manufacturing focusses on cost and efficiency so production is limited to small numbers of specialised facilities, using specific machines. May be some flexibility for demand change but not for the huge increase now needed globally. Machines used likely built to order - I doubt that you can just go out and buy one off the shelf. May also be QA needs - more people to train for this.
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05/01/2021 13:11:37 5 1
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So you have researched manufacturing capacity for a normal year and you know that the machines etc can cope with this and the lead time for the equipment is ok. You only need production lines to make about 5bn vials extra. The machines to do this are not in a warehouse just in case they are needed.. please think.
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05/01/2021 13:33:50 6 1
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When there is an unprecedented demand for anything that is needed globally there will be a shortage. Multiple countries hoovering up much needed supplies.

In the past 12 months there’s been shortages of PPE, flow cells, ventilators, oxygen, laboratory consumables and chemicals amongst other things.

Stop stirring BBC. The Chicken Licken of media. The glass vial shortage will get sorted.
05/01/2021 13:49:02 1 2
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And they can be washed/sterilised after use and sent back to the factory.
05/01/2021 13:49:58 0 3
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It is simply a case of NHS failures. They are not up to it because of all their silly requirements. Give it to the private sector.
05/01/2021 14:08:43 0 0
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It's world wide shortage just like PPE so your a glass vial expert 6 months ago they were hopeful that a vaccine would be found but it wasn't a nailed on certainty
05/01/2021 14:14:51 3 0
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I would suggest that you ask the fantastic manufacturers of this brilliant game changing vaccine this question, it isn’t the government’s fault if there is a problem regarding the glass vials.
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BE
05/01/2021 12:05:45 100 45
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As soon as all the vulnerable are vaccinated, they should wait indoors until it kicks in while the rest of us get back to it and start picking the country up.
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05/01/2021 12:13:27 24 11
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How long does it take to kick in,my daughter in law had the vac three weeks ago, had two weekly clear tests then tested positive on the third one
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05/01/2021 12:32:53 10 0
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I think the data has been quite clear, 2nd dose 3 weeks after the first maximum benefit achieved one week after that.
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05/01/2021 12:38:06 8 3
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Reminds me of the tesla guy. he had two covid tests , both different negative and posotive, makes you wonder.
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05/01/2021 12:39:32 26 25
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My daughter is a frontline NHS worker, looking after Covid ICU patients. She got her first vaccine dose before Christmas and today has been informed that her second dose, due19th Jan, has been cancelled, and will be administered in 3months. The pharma co says there has been no trial for this method, effectively meaning the second dose will be a “first dose”, leaving little protection meantime.
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05/01/2021 12:56:11 6 2
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this sounds suspicious
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05/01/2021 13:11:41 15 1
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I understand that it is still possible to 'have' the virus asymptomatically even after the vaccination.

The vaccine just prevents you from getting sick from it?

I may be wrong?
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05/01/2021 13:21:55 1 0
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false positive?
05/01/2021 13:46:33 0 1
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Hopefully this will be an exception.
05/01/2021 15:37:05 7 0
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You can test positive even AFTER being immunised.

What matters is the effect the virus has on the person vaccinated.
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05/01/2021 12:05:25 7 8
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No - I am worried that we are pinning all our hopes on the vaccine. This should be working in tandem with covid infrastructure, or I am afraid to say lockdowns will be the norm for a few years at least
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05/01/2021 12:13:29 1 0
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We have to rely on the vaccine as nothing else seems to be having a lasting effect.
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05/01/2021 12:13:37 4 3
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For people volunteering to administer the vaccine there should be only one question. Have you done it before ?
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05/01/2021 12:23:16 1 0
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Only on 'bob a job' week. That will be 5p please.
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05/01/2021 12:13:43 2 2
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It's starker than that. Unless (R - 1) / R < (efficacy against transmission) * (proportion vaccinated) then vaccination alone can never eradicate an epidemic.

This efficacy has not so far been measured at all. If for AZN's vaccine the efficacy is really only 62%, it can't even eradicate the end-2019 strain. If it's only 70%, it probably can't eradicate the UK strain.
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05/01/2021 12:13:43 2 2
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Logistics will determine success or failure. Our Government hasn't got a strong track record here but this is a golden opportunity to redeem themselves as semi - competent , Not off to a great start .
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05/01/2021 12:13:47 3 4
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Hardly a positive comment on here. What a load of snowflakes!!
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05/01/2021 12:10:12 3 5
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The answer is our caped crusader BOJO keep the faith,?? now...... please adhere to the house rules
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05/01/2021 12:14:10 3 0
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If BOJO is the answer , then the wrong question is being asked.
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05/01/2021 12:06:14 1 1
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There has to be a willingness to have the jab. Whilst % stats are only as good as the target group it was interesting that both in surveys in the UK & USA about half as many people from BME groups said the would have it compared to the % from other groups despite stats which say they, together with the elderly, are at higher risk.
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05/01/2021 12:14:28 0 0
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Fair enough, don't have it if you don't eant it. But don't then scream about racism when more BAME people continue to die after refusing the vaccine.
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05/01/2021 12:14:30 3 3
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Now Gove is already rewriting Johnsons timescales so within 12 hours of the official announcement it’s now double the estimate for the over 70s and vulnerable to be vaccinated by tomorrow it will be extended again, what is the point of Johnsons high profile announcements, once again, over promising and under delivering.
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05/01/2021 12:14:31 4 4
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DrBob. 12:11. "are the vials being sanitised and reused?"

Smithers. 12:11. "Surely recycling these vials efficiently would help ?"

Where is the Vaccines Delivery Minister to answer these very valid questions?

He is most notable.by his utter silence!??