Covid: Sharp rises in infection levels in England, says ONS
24/12/2020 | news | health | 2,417
London now has the highest percentage of people testing positive in the UK, ONS figures suggest.
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24/12/2020 11:27:10 15 15
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Measures working well, then. Particularly in Wales where rules were stricter. Maybe even Sage can get this message.
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24/12/2020 11:40:10 5 4
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"Particularly in Wales". Doesn't South Wales have some of the worst numbers in the UK? Think you need to change where you're getting your information.
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24/12/2020 11:27:35 289 41
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Incredible how much difference this new strain has made. It’s hard not to appreciate the adaptability of it really. Im so glad there is a vaccine though - had it been this bad in the summer we would have been in even more trouble. Merry Christmas to all wherever you are and however you are enjoying it.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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24/12/2020 12:16:00 21 37
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The new strain isn't what's made the difference. Increased testing of healthy people and public paranoia is what's made the difference.
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24/12/2020 12:23:52 15 9
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@"Incredible how much difference this new strain has made. It’s hard not to appreciate the adaptability of it really"
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Don't over play it

It's just random mutations and natural selection. There's no 'agency' to it.

It's just Darwinian evolution and large numbers in action

Give enough monkey's enough time typing, and you'll get the works of Shakespeare.
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24/12/2020 12:35:29 18 5
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Read a scientific paper on the new strains... its not that much different.
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24/12/2020 12:43:06 15 3
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When London came out of Lockdown, they were put in Tier 2 and we saw people packing out the shops and bars. So instead of being taken in by SAGE speculation, has it occurred to you that people might just be failing to follow the guidance? SAGE like to pretend people follow it and if the rates go up they look for a different explanation instead of observing what happens in the real world.
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24/12/2020 12:46:30 9 13
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There is as yet no evidence that the new strain has led to the increases
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24/12/2020 13:11:44 1 11
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It’s a seasonal respiratory disease, so won’t be bad in the summer.
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24/12/2020 13:28:15 14 10
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Remember in the summer, whatever we did (crammed on to beaches, pubs open, BLM matches etc) didn’t create spikes or increase rates. Now anything we do doesn’t bring infections down. It’s clearly a seasonal resurgence, as any other year with little excess mortality. The pandemic was March/April, it’s now endemic. To say otherwise is ignorance to the facts and data. Stop believing main stream media
24/12/2020 14:40:12 1 1
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It's a virus it evolves to survive like everything. Don't evolve, adapt or develop immunity to whatever it is ... die.
24/12/2020 15:52:27 0 4
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People are now dropping in the streets, and hospitals overrun......oh no, hold on...
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24/12/2020 11:27:54 35 35
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So the previous lockdown's didn't work.

Where is the world beating test, trace and isolate?
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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24/12/2020 12:04:16 4 1
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Point to anywhere in Europe or the Americas where test and trace has been"world class". Nowhere.
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24/12/2020 12:47:09 1 5
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Doesn't exist - couldn't beat an egg never mind the world!! Johnson = big on promises even bigger on let downs!
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24/12/2020 11:28:05 439 10
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Looking at the graphs in the ONS report showing rates among different age groups, there appear to be high rates among school ages, but generally low among others.

While schools are not the only infection source, having now broken up for Christmas it will be interesting to see if this reverses, given 10 million pupils and half a million teachers are now not mixing regularly.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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24/12/2020 12:10:55 7 4
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Only for 2 weeks. If they've not done so already, the kids can pass it on to their parents and cousins. Although since there's no opportunity to mix for half the population, I'd guess that it would be difficult to tell.
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24/12/2020 12:19:52 21 8
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Judging by my area of London and my particularly estate, I see many children from different households mixing and just yesterday a group of fathers playing football on a playground with their children. It did seem the fathers by their shouting were actually playing for their own enjoyment rather than for the children.
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24/12/2020 12:20:58 6 8
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Yes it is a good test but I can also see that my town has risen 8-fold in 3 weeks and it isn’t the schools
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24/12/2020 13:11:51 16 2
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And interesting to see if schools are re-opened in January as planned, with Christmas mixing blamed for the spike.
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24/12/2020 14:11:47 2 10
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God the school miseries will be wetting themselves. The meek have inherited this country. What a pathetic bunch some have become.
24/12/2020 14:27:12 15 7
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In the school where I work no teachers got the virus in the whole of the term. And most of the pupil cases appeared to be from catching it at home and bringing it in to school, not catching it while at school. Families at home also have a responsibility.
24/12/2020 14:47:01 12 3
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Some of us were saying London should have been put into Tier 3, when most of the rest of England was, and not Tier 2; and now, hey presto, it's in Tier 4.

And you've got the Tory Bots lying about what a good job the Tories have done. Talk about believing your own propaganda!!
24/12/2020 15:49:28 0 4
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So approximately 1 of every 14 people in the entire country is a teacher. What planet are you on??
24/12/2020 15:49:46 8 7
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... and if nearly all schoolchildren are asymptomatic, and a majority of parents and teachers too, what does it matter if the infection rate continues to rise? It's only if the number of people who get seriously ill from having the virus rises that we should worry and take drastic action.
24/12/2020 16:24:09 8 8
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Keeping schools open at all costs should be the government's No1 priority.

It's a calculated risk but the long term damage caused by the disruption to the education of 10 million children is far greater than a few thousand extra deaths. The government get this which is why schools stayed open in the autumn.
24/12/2020 17:53:47 4 2
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Government was incompetent, claiming that students created low transmissions of the disease.
24/12/2020 18:48:44 5 2
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Shut 4 weeks now and take 2 from summer! No loss to revenue, no loss of school teaching time, I can’t understand why it’s not happening
24/12/2020 19:23:13 1 2
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Hindsight will tell us all we need to know, but the clear evidence (worldometer) is that the better a country does initially, the worse it does later, irrespective of its government's efforts. And of course, because it hasn't happened before in recent history, there is no 'correct' way to deal with it, only guesswork.
24/12/2020 20:11:23 1 2
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A high rate of infection that does not produce large numbers of serious illness is a good thing in a pandemic as it reduces the number of potential hosts for the virus to infect.
The virus is not going away until the majority either have had the virus or been vaccinated successfully against it.
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24/12/2020 11:28:08 556 197
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Just think, if we didn't have a number of Covidiots who seem determined to push the country back into the dark ages, the Gov would probably be able to control this pandemic....
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24/12/2020 11:51:41 181 276
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Seems like you have summed up the government perfectly.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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24/12/2020 12:26:45 26 20
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Yes the government have handled everything perfectly- it the public to blame
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24/12/2020 12:32:40 30 55
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rubbish the chance of you a healthy person well physically dying from covid is 0.27% the government totally overreacted and all that has transpired after the overreaction is to cover up that fact
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24/12/2020 12:39:11 29 4
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It's no coincidence that cases rocketed when schools went back, any parent will tell you where their dose of norovirus or other unpleasantness was more than likely acquired from, I've collected a number of those badges over the years.
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24/12/2020 13:00:23 35 18
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If we were back in the dark ages (or even just 2 decades ago) we probably wouldn't notice the pandemic because online media and social media especially allows things to be hyped up and blown out of proportion. That doesn't mean Covid isn't a threat but the proportionality of our response is all wrong.
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24/12/2020 13:27:45 3 2
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And if people didn't keep posting pointless what-if scenarios we wouldn't have to keep reading them.
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24/12/2020 14:06:16 5 10
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Absolute rubbish. Firstly, there is no such work as covidiot in the English Dictionary, which instantly make your statement invalid. Secondly, those stupid, tiresome blaming remarks have been stated millions of times and are completely meaningless.

I suggest you take a good look at yourself for a change, and hopefully you will realise that you are not quite so perfect after all.
24/12/2020 14:47:28 3 7
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Anyone who uses the term Covidiot is by definition one themselves
24/12/2020 14:59:09 1 11
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you are a smart cooky... so, just for you, heres my earlier comment on all this.. "Lockdown should only apply to the 4 nation leaders, their cabinets and Sage group. In fact confine them all together under permanent lockdown to stop all this BS propaganda, oh and include the BBC execs too. In fact all of these parasites should be put under house arrest and removed from their positions.
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24/12/2020 15:43:06 2 2
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Covidiots! Grow up
24/12/2020 16:37:42 0 2
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Totally agree the PM being up there ignoring the scientists and introducing a tier system that did not work. One year on and he still does not have an eradication policy and tens of thousands have died on his watch.
24/12/2020 17:54:42 0 1
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The government is incompetent.
24/12/2020 18:37:54 0 2
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Sunak invited two of the Covidiots into Downing Street (Heneghan and Gupta) to talk Johnson out of an early circuit breaker. The Tories have been flirting with Covidiocy since the beginning which explains our piss poor record.
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24/12/2020 18:48:49 1 1
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I presume by "Covidiots" you are referring to the politicians that have orchestrated this fiasco ?
24/12/2020 18:50:59 0 1
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I agree with there are a lot of Covidiots but cannot in my wildest dreams see Boris managing a pandemic, time for the muppet show to move on! He’s done Brexit now slip off please
24/12/2020 18:57:32 0 1
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The public control the virus NOT the government...
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24/12/2020 11:29:16 94 13
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So they find a more transmissible variant of the virus and infection rates increase rapidly. Seems to add up.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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24/12/2020 12:18:30 13 1
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A transmissible variant that increases the infection rate in school children. This is the game changer, remember the initial 'modelling' was on data that kids didn't get the virus
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24/12/2020 12:20:59 12 14
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So they start testing thousands more people and visible infection rates increase rapidly. Seems to add up
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24/12/2020 13:14:04 7 17
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This variant has been around since September, why didn’t figures go through the roof then ??. You have fallen for govt and media propaganda.
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24/12/2020 11:29:21 47 25
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It's a shame that precious London wasn't locked down early last spring. That would have saved the rest of the country many lives and bought time. But can't upset the capital
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24/12/2020 11:33:56 14 11
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You should have just stopped going out, no-one made you carry on! But blame some else eh?
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24/12/2020 11:30:05 145 127
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So in other words, 98% of Londoners haven't got it. How terrifying.
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24/12/2020 11:41:22 119 41
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That 2% could infect the whole of the World in fact.
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24/12/2020 11:41:25 32 17
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You don't really understand exponential growth do you?
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24/12/2020 11:53:12 25 18
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and 99.9% of those who do will get better
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24/12/2020 12:18:50 3 5
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Still 2% of 8 million have it - and how many have it that have no signs whatsoever? Could be double that figure so 4% of Londoners likely have it, multiply that % by 68 millions, x billions in the world. The flights being allowed between February and May helped spread it, the increase in flights again over the summer likely to have helped lead to the spike we are now experiencing.
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24/12/2020 12:19:23 13 2
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If each one who has it gives it to 2 others each the next day then within 5 days everyone in London could have been infected
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24/12/2020 12:44:59 6 1
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Not yet.
But with the R number more than 1 it's only a matter of time before you are knocked out of your complacency.
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24/12/2020 13:05:26 4 1
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In other news 99.5% of Londoners were not killed in the Blitz.
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24/12/2020 14:15:31 1 1
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Yet another member of the Thursday afternoon Mensa club!
24/12/2020 14:17:12 3 1
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Well much lower levels a few weeks ago led to 744 deaths yesterday , how do you think these higher levels of infection are going to pan out?
24/12/2020 15:56:29 2 1
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98% have not got it right now, but next week it will be another 2% or perhaps 3% and the week after, and the next week, and next - and repeat. Do you get it now?
24/12/2020 18:36:25 0 1
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The other 98% will get it and die soon.
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24/12/2020 18:42:11 0 1
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World war Z, just Scotland survived ;-)
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24/12/2020 11:30:18 22 33
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As it is the season of goodwill, Matt Hancock should spend Christmas in jail for the good of the country. Then he can reflect on his underperformance this year. In 2021 he should be placed on performance related pay. This year he has done no effective work so should not have been paid - why was he?
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24/12/2020 11:35:57 24 7
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What exactly should he have done then, amaze me with your way out of this situation? It's not as if there was a blueprint on how to deal with a global pandemic. Perhaps, we, as the general public, need to take a good long hard look at ourselves and honestly say that we abided by the rules as they were put in place and if we didn't then maybe we deserve a little blame being thrust our way.
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24/12/2020 11:40:14 3 11
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Sack the incompetent Clown and at the same time Sack Boris and his whole thick Junta, the only good news for us at present,, there will not be a No Deal that will screw Boris and his incompetent Party.
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24/12/2020 11:30:54 13 12
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Just had a look at the ONS figures for cases tested positive and rate is pretty linear since September... that's not a massive surge..
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24/12/2020 11:45:04 4 1
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I'm part of the survey and been saying this for a while. It's been around 1% since October. It also puts the 2 million cases figure into perspective - reality is we could be closer to 10 million people who have already had this.
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24/12/2020 11:31:08 42 27
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So, if Tier 4 does what it's supposed to do, we should start to see a decrease in new infections. If we don't, then the Government will have some explaining to do.
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24/12/2020 11:37:38 51 11
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IF people stuck to the rules we are seeing a drop in infection rates in Tier 4 areas. So much for IDS and his. ' London is a special case for remaining in tier 2', today they announce that our capital has the highest infection rate in the country.
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24/12/2020 11:38:11 7 4
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They will then blame the people in that inevitable case.
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24/12/2020 11:50:36 15 5
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Not the Government, the people blatantly ignoring the rules. The virus spreads via people, not Government rules.
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24/12/2020 11:38:34 6 2
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What? On why they didn't arrest all those making an exodus from the South East, those having illegal parties etc. etc. It's generally not the government spreading it, maybe the French government.
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24/12/2020 12:01:50 7 9
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Like wearing masks slowed the spread - not.
Completely pointless.
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24/12/2020 12:10:42 0 2
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Rubbish. Have you seen how many people are still out there?
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24/12/2020 12:38:02 3 5
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I think the government already has a lot of explaining to do!!
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24/12/2020 12:52:39 7 1
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Whatever the rules are, its gotta be down to personal responsibilty. If we all act as if we have virus and act accordingly, we can really limit the spread. We all need to think very carefully about what we do , who we see and what social contacts we have.
24/12/2020 19:40:23 0 1
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Getting people to do as ther are asked is the problem, like the group of 4 clowns in Tesco's that refused to wear masks, then the other dozen or so that had them round their necks!
I guess you will always get some that dont mind infecting everyone around them, hence the mess we are all in.
24/12/2020 20:35:19 1 1
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Tier 4 is a full lockdown. Did the previous lockdowns work? Government has had explaining to do since March.
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24/12/2020 11:31:32 87 39
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Think yourselves lucky you don't live in Scotland. Infection rates here are falling and we are going into total lockdown on boxing day.
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I rarely agree with Sturgeon but believe she has got it spot on this time.
Every time we come out of lockdown or go into a lower tier we see a surge in cases. We need to clamp down on this and stay clamped on it until we're all vaccinated. There is light at the end of the tunnel at least.
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24/12/2020 13:35:10 2 2
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You are all serving penance for the actions of your First Minister.
24/12/2020 14:42:51 2 1
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Well that is the consequence of being governed by a separate party, whose first minister is still obsessed with complete independence.

The situation is exactly the same is for Wales and Northern Ireland.
24/12/2020 15:39:34 0 3
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not total 'cos I bet you still can mooch around the supermarkets looking at clothing, homerwares, DIY stuff, books .....these should be off the shelves ..food only ..maybe even keep us to a couple of shop trips only per week . Else it all comes back PDQ and if the schools go back in , well........ light the blue touch paper time!!
24/12/2020 16:42:45 0 1
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You will be grateful that your government has acted in good time. They have seen what is happening here in the SE with the new variant and it's disaster about to strike. Acting firmly now will save many Scottish lives.
24/12/2020 18:05:19 0 1
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That is because you are Scots.
24/12/2020 19:47:31 0 3
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Any sane person is thankful they don’t live in Scotland.
24/12/2020 22:44:20 0 0
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Lucky you, Leicester has been in lockdown since March!!!
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24/12/2020 11:32:44 37 34
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In reality I can't see what the issue is. People need to be infected if we're ever going to reach herd immunity.

Given that vaccines are being rolled out, as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount.

Can't lockdown forever.
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24/12/2020 11:36:30 27 10
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"as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount"...
That is exactly the problem right now. They don't have the remaining capacity to handle another surge.
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24/12/2020 11:37:49 4 4
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Bang on Sammy
Herd Immunity, you are a idiot, as a Farmer I know what Herd Immunity means, you will lose up to 80% of your Herd until they are All vaccinated, that is if the vaccine works of Course, there is no such thing as Herd Immunity, it will go on forever. Removed
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First country to find an effective treatment.

First country to start using a tested vaccine.

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will be soon and save millions worldwide.

Carrying out more testing than any European nation.

Doing more than half the world's genome sequencing.

The UK is brilliant!
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Merry Christmas!
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You must be in a happy place,or very sarcastic
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Don't forget most deaths in Europe, worst hit economy in Europe, slowest recovering economy in Europe... Brexit shambles days away.. Amazing..
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Don’t tell the BBC
FIRST country to grass itself UP and call it MUTANT ..thwereby turning the World against us ....Treason MH ..off you go ..The Tower awaits you Removed
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No, the UK is awful.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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24/12/2020 11:58:27 28 43
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Really? Consider this my decent neighbour. A comparison of the ratio of deaths per head of population in different countries puts the UK at 11th in the league behind gigantic countries like Andorra, San Marino, Slovenia, Bosnia H, North Macedonia and Montenegro.
Small countries such as USA, Russia, France, Germany India and China are doing a lot better than us.
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At last! I have read a positive comment on here. A Merry Christmas to you, and a Happy New Year!!
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24/12/2020 12:02:48 24 7
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Well at least our scientists are.
Others could have done better.
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24/12/2020 12:04:37 9 16
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What you smokin' down there in the 77th basement ?

Maybe ease off a bit ....
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24/12/2020 12:04:42 26 17
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Unfortunately much of that does not sit with this governement, if they were half as good as the scientists we wouldn't be here at this place! Test & trace fiasco, PPE fiasco, lock down at 3 weeks late, not closing airports, insisting on testing at airports in June, until airlines complain - u-turn, forcing schools back and pushing Eat out to help out, both push up cases from August/Sept - delays!
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24/12/2020 12:06:05 12 8
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What is this "effective treatment" precisely? I heard the government made the claim about it, but not what it is?

And the term used is "clinically approved vaccine" regarding the vaccine developed Pfizer BioNTech, not "tested". Other tested vaccines have already been used in a number of different countries before having been given emergency use authorisation.
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24/12/2020 12:08:30 23 5
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However, many NHS and research staff are from overseas
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24/12/2020 12:12:47 5 8
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Not going to save millions unfortunately but certainly some

The virus has picked off the weak - not so many left to take - death rates falling dramatically everywhere

Infections spike and deaths don't follow in 14 days as before all over the world now
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24/12/2020 12:14:31 11 14
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Just over 69000 deaths and 5th in the world table of deaths. Compare this to Japan with under 3000 deaths and twice the population of the UK. None of what you have bragged about actually matters to the many families that are distraught from losing loved ones.
Are you an english born and bred tw?t, then I can see a delusional t?at! In excess of 60,000 deaths all down to Tories. And I'm guessing you voted for them!!! Removed
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24/12/2020 12:17:16 13 6
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It's good to read a positive post for a change!
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24/12/2020 12:20:36 18 13
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Yes, great scientists.
But worst leadership. And democratically elected. Hence most stupid population.
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24/12/2020 12:22:25 26 7
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So many UK haters... you wonder why they still live here if they hate it so much...

Merry Christmas everybody!
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Merry Christmas Boris
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Gav?
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What is this "effective treatment" precisely?
First I heard that term when the UK government used it, but no details what it actually is though.
I would be really interested if anybody can post concerning what this "effective treatment" actually consists of.
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24/12/2020 12:29:48 6 7
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Whilst the other vaccines are 94/95% effective, the Oxford one is a mere 60% Hardly my first choice !
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24/12/2020 11:33:54 11 2
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" In the 70th minute we've now got an equaliser.

Looking like the virus, has played a blinder, but was it offside.....???
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dont expect VAR to resolve it tho huh ? :)
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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Whoever thought up these tier systems wants sacking
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

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Cant just blame those that are labelled Covid idiots, what about government policy , letting hordes in and out the country, refusing schools to adopt on line teaching, track and trace not fit for purpose.
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24/12/2020 11:36:13 69 12
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A perfect storm of both...
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24/12/2020 12:41:58 3 4
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Track and trace will never work unless every citizen is forced to have it.
The country still needs to operate and those coming in / out of the country are mainly for work.
As for teachers.... what about NHS, supermarket workers, factory workers and those who work away from home. All have equal exposure.
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24/12/2020 13:29:48 2 6
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The Government has shown itself incompetent, why would any Covid Idiot follow their guidelines. As AEsop says, empty vessels make most noise.
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24/12/2020 14:14:30 2 8
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Is it any surprise this variant emerged in the county Kent that is beset by uncontrolled illegal migration?
24/12/2020 14:22:23 3 1
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While not without some justification that government has made mistakes, people may also be not doing well enough either. I'm convinced that some (maybe many) have treated constraints as a target rather than as a limit which can occasionally be reached. Just because travel isn't may not be banned, it doesn't mean it is recommended or encouraged.
24/12/2020 14:28:48 1 1
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Track and Trace will never work if only 20% admitted they would isolate if asked. And worse, some people won't isolate even when tested positive.
24/12/2020 14:47:23 2 1
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On line teaching doesn't work if there's no computer or only one between several kids, or out here where my top internet speed is 9.7mbps
24/12/2020 14:49:35 4 2
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Always talk about not allowing schools to teach online. Do you know how difficult it is to teach school age kids anything online?

Get past the hardware requirements, get past the local connection requirements, get past the child's natural temperance and suitability to learn and you still have problems such as family distractions and random people on the internet connecting to our "classrooms".
24/12/2020 14:58:28 0 1
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Ah yes, close the borders. 30 seconds later the irresponsible media will be shouting "food shortage" and before we know it we have panic buying. One wonders how much things would have been different if we'd shut the media instead.
24/12/2020 15:17:33 0 3
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Blame the left for that
24/12/2020 16:38:15 1 1
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not everyone has online access
24/12/2020 17:31:47 0 1
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What do you know about track and trace - at you’ve read. Suggest that makes you a covidiot too
24/12/2020 17:58:09 0 1
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Government has been incompetent and totally irresponsible.
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First country to find an effective treatment.

First country to start using a tested vaccine.

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will be soon and save millions worldwide.

Carrying out more testing than any European nation.

Doing more than half the world's genome sequencing.

The UK is brilliant!
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24/12/2020 11:35:19 278 26
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Merry Christmas!
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kat
24/12/2020 11:35:24 317 83
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IDK, maybe we should have tried one really strict lockdown with closed borders to try and totally eradicate the virus. This limping on with tiers and pseudo-lockdowns over 8 months just hasn't worked.
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24/12/2020 11:40:28 207 35
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It is not as easy as that, we had millions overseas, (literally), and the media were screaming that we had to get them home.
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24/12/2020 11:51:09 14 11
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they tried that in most of europe - the problem was that because it is so mild in the vast majority of people, the scientists had no idea just how wide spread it was before they suggested the lockdown, so even if we had locked down 1 week earlier at wchich point they thought there were just a few cases, it would have made no difference and nonbody was suggesting locking the country down in Feb.
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24/12/2020 11:57:34 22 10
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Even if, by some miracle, we did manage to eradicate it from the UK, as soon as the borders were openned again we'd be inundated, and keeping the borders closed for any period of time would be economic suicide.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 12:39:18 8 19
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Are you for real... Locking the country from the outside world still won't stop the pandemic.
Its nearly 2021... not 1821.
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24/12/2020 13:17:43 3 1
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Agree with that but its balanced with the economy.
989
24/12/2020 14:14:11 1 1
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Spot on!
993
24/12/2020 14:15:00 3 1
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Whatever we did was going to be painful but, it's like removing a stubborn plaster. You can have a lot of pain over a short period or, slightly less pain over a longer period.
24/12/2020 14:18:50 5 2
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What about UK citizens like my son? Living in North America. Company he worked for went bankrupt due to the pandemic. No salary for months, no expenses reimbursed. Can no longer afford to live there so needs to return to live with us. Easy to say close the borders, not easy to do.
there's always the theory that "if we'd done this, everything would be great"

doesn't really work like that. GCSE's tell us there's a right solution to a problem. often there isn't.
24/12/2020 17:56:26 2 2
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What idiot would keep pubs open, at the height of the crisis?
Our government.
It says it all.
24/12/2020 19:10:07 0 1
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You cannot stop a virus/flu! They should of carried on as normal in the summer when we get our vitamin d doses and did a hard lockdown in sept/October instead of open the country up.
24/12/2020 20:12:59 1 2
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No lockdown has worked for a pandemic.
24/12/2020 21:16:43 0 1
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That's too late. Not even worth saying it now.
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24/12/2020 11:35:36 9 6
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It’s not all bad news. Almost 2% of people are following the rules and gudelines.
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24/12/2020 11:37:14 4 5
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I'd say more, about 48%
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24/12/2020 11:35:46 84 38
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Why is it taking so long to approve the Oxford vaccine. Every day of delay will cost extra lives and a longer lockdown.
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24/12/2020 12:08:06 73 4
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Because the way they're planning to use it has not been trialled... It came about by accident in a small sample.
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BD
24/12/2020 12:18:48 39 3
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Presumably because established scientific protocols are being followed, rather than panic stricken, knee-jerk ...
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24/12/2020 12:25:36 35 3
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They only submitted the data to the MHRA yesterday. How do you think that it should take the MHRA to review and approve the data, or do you think that the MHRA should simply rubber stamp the data?
The MHRA have moved heaven and earth to review submitted data, so try being a little patient, and be responsible for what you do, because what you do affects the transmission rate.
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24/12/2020 12:26:22 24 1
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No doubt it is being done properly so that people cannot say it was rushed through
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24/12/2020 12:36:46 25 1
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Better to get it right and not wrong! I believe they are looking at receiving the OK in early January. We will have have much more doses of this one and it can be kept at normal fridge temperature, and has a shelf life of several weeks not 5 days like the Pfizer one.
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24/12/2020 13:39:50 3 1
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Best to be safe than sorry
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24/12/2020 13:42:57 8 2
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There was an anomaly in the second booster dosage during trials. Due to an error some recipients got a lower second dose but this gave better results than the people with the higher dose. The wonders of testing and it all needs to be cross-checked before approval.
seriously?

or how about

"why did it take so long to get to the moon. I mean, we can see it"
24/12/2020 14:35:20 3 1
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They only submitted all their paperwork to the regulator at the start of this week.
24/12/2020 15:22:40 1 10
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We may well find that it's ineffective against the new strains in any event.
24/12/2020 16:20:34 1 2
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Because, to approve it, you need to know it works, and it bearing Oxford's name is not sufficient as proof. So, we are better wait patiently for real data, and for a proper data analysis. Personally, I would rather be vaccinated with the best vaccine available, whether British or not.
24/12/2020 16:54:40 1 1
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They only submitted the full data to the HMRA today. That may be because of the cock up with the half doses delivered in some countries. I've heard that it should be approved by the end of the year.
24/12/2020 17:41:36 1 5
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You volunteering, Pal? Thought not.....covidiot
24/12/2020 18:04:55 1 1
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Even when it is approved, healthy people under 60 are way down the food chain before being offered it.
24/12/2020 18:05:02 2 1
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They've only just submitted it for approval by the MHRA. I think it's called 'ensuring it's safe'. Or would you rather have an insufficiently tested vaccine in your arm? Assuming the MHRA find no problems it will probably be out by the end of year. It only took around a week to approve the Pfizer one
24/12/2020 19:22:54 2 1
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Because they screwed up the trials with the 'accidental half doses' (which provided some interesting data but is also quite worrying). Regulator is probably under some self-inposed pressure now but they MUST get it right.

I wonder if we'll ever find out how the error happened?
Tez
24/12/2020 19:27:38 2 1
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Or possibly save many thousands if they find there is a problem.
24/12/2020 21:09:35 0 4
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Too much headline material at the moment, wait until Brexit deal moves to page 2 of the tabloids, they’ll approve it then so it makes the front pages
24/12/2020 22:23:32 0 0
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Because they are doing it correctly and not taking shortcuts.
24/12/2020 23:46:31 0 0
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Need to be sure it is safe and effective or it could do more harm than good.
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24/12/2020 11:35:46 234 193
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Is this sick people.... or "cases"?

We started out measuring this pandemic by hospitalisations and deaths. We've now abandoned that for ghost hunting, sorry, PCR testing. Fact - the total number of deaths for 2020 is only slightly above average when compared to the last 25 years. Certainly not looking like a deadly pandemic any more!
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24/12/2020 11:53:05 195 120
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Let's also not forget that every year we are told that the NHS is under stress at this time of the year. Excluding the "spike" we had in spring, every statistic readily available paints 2020 as being no different to the past 25 years. Flu rates have also plummeted. Many stats are now being reassigned as "Covid".
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24/12/2020 11:54:07 37 48
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Thats ok for those that have died then.. guess they'll be happier now you've decided that
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 11:59:21 46 16
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“Last 25 years”

Why 25 years? You do realise that the UK population has grown a lot in that time so a comparison of absolute deaths doesn’t make sense. Also there has been a huge trend downwards in that time too.

There was a huge number of excess deaths in the spring. These are actual real deaths caused by the pandemic. Why are you trying to convince yourself otherwise????
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24/12/2020 12:06:16 26 22
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Perhaps we should have let it run its course - but then you might not be here to make such comments.
Fake pandemic. Driven by the media and politicians. No plan B. And no discussion of alternatives. Removed
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24/12/2020 12:17:36 6 8
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Slightly? If 80,000 people died in an explosion, we’d memorialise for 100yrs. 80,000 excess deaths is a fact, your use of “slightly” is subjective - the opposite of a fact...
excess deaths for winter thus far, however, have significantly decreased as a proportion compared to April (around +15% vs +100% in April). Imagine PCR testing has helped that, as early diagnosis allows for early treatment.
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24/12/2020 12:43:53 6 9
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What complete nonsense
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24/12/2020 12:49:23 6 5
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Merely on ICU capacity this is not like a normal year. Let’s just hope you don’t need an ICU bed for whatever reason !
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24/12/2020 12:56:32 2 6
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I don’t think 80,000 excess deaths this year is ‘slightly’ average, and that’s despite protective restrictions in place.
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dan
24/12/2020 13:07:02 4 5
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This is just a lie. 80,000 excess deaths on a normal 500,000 deaths a year. A 15% increase is not "slightly above normal".
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24/12/2020 13:12:10 1 3
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....and thats with no measures or intervention too! Oh wait....
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24/12/2020 11:30:18 22 33
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As it is the season of goodwill, Matt Hancock should spend Christmas in jail for the good of the country. Then he can reflect on his underperformance this year. In 2021 he should be placed on performance related pay. This year he has done no effective work so should not have been paid - why was he?
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24/12/2020 11:35:57 24 7
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What exactly should he have done then, amaze me with your way out of this situation? It's not as if there was a blueprint on how to deal with a global pandemic. Perhaps, we, as the general public, need to take a good long hard look at ourselves and honestly say that we abided by the rules as they were put in place and if we didn't then maybe we deserve a little blame being thrust our way.
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24/12/2020 11:36:03 7 8
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Please can you keep consistency within articles…… why not say “1 in 50”?

If numbers are so great, and even though there is differing opinion, why don’t the government make masks mandatory at all times?

They MAY help decrease the rates of infections. I am certain they won’t increase it any more
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24/12/2020 11:34:15 262 121
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Cant just blame those that are labelled Covid idiots, what about government policy , letting hordes in and out the country, refusing schools to adopt on line teaching, track and trace not fit for purpose.
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24/12/2020 11:36:13 69 12
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A perfect storm of both...
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 15:00:41 2 4
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Wow.... I feel like I have to repeat forever..... "Lockdown should only apply to the 4 nation leaders, their cabinets and Sage group. In fact confine them all together under permanent lockdown to stop all this BS propaganda, oh and include the BBC execs too. In fact all of these parasites should be put under house arrest and removed from their positions"
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24/12/2020 11:32:44 37 34
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In reality I can't see what the issue is. People need to be infected if we're ever going to reach herd immunity.

Given that vaccines are being rolled out, as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount.

Can't lockdown forever.
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24/12/2020 11:36:30 27 10
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"as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount"...
That is exactly the problem right now. They don't have the remaining capacity to handle another surge.
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24/12/2020 11:44:36 1 3
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and the Nightingale Hospitals are there for? Even saying that, the real problem the hospitals have is the pressure on staff numbers let alone there capacity to continue to cope.
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24/12/2020 12:07:05 3 6
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The hospitals are on average not as full as this time last year, or the year before - and the expensive nightingale facilities are completely unused. Storm in a tea cup. Stop thus utter nonsense.
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:37:58 75 60
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Likewise
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24/12/2020 11:38:26 41 6
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Yes, lucky you then.
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24/12/2020 11:38:42 23 5
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The same for me too. Maybe we're the lucky ones?
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24/12/2020 11:39:09 12 23
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Lucky you, and you're obviously walking around with your eyes closed then. Or maybe you just don't leave your house, people wearing masks are a common sight.......
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24/12/2020 11:39:38 18 3
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However, I do
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24/12/2020 11:39:44 43 5
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You have been fortunate. I’ve lost 3 family members
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24/12/2020 11:45:48 20 3
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Up until last week I would have agreed with you. However as the cases have been rising recently so have the amount of people I know or know of who have had it.
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24/12/2020 11:51:26 5 9
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I've known one person and that's it.
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24/12/2020 11:54:48 30 5
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You have indeed been very lucky. In the last two weeks we have been made aware that at least 20 people known to us have COVID - some really quite poorly and hospitalised. Even our own son (in his 20's) who is extremely fit has been quite ill. cases in our area have sky rocketed recently and wiped out Xmas for us. We'll get together in late spring or summer in some nice warm Welsh sunshine.
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24/12/2020 11:56:20 59 16
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That will be a relief to the family of my best friend who died horribly a few weeks ago.

Or the young family of a work colleague who died back in April.

Are you suggesting that the 80,000 plus excess UK deaths (1.75 million globally) are all made up and their nearest and dearest are imagining their personal tragedies?

Perhaps engage your brain before writing such insensitive drivel?
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24/12/2020 11:58:53 2 7
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Guess there's not a lot of social distancing going on where you are then...
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24/12/2020 12:01:28 23 3
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Sadly I know of 3, all old, all taken to hospital for problems non covid-19 related, all contracted covid-19 in hospital. As wonderful as the NHS is and we need to protect it, sometimes the public need protecting from from it.
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24/12/2020 12:11:15 16 6
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I don't know anyone that's had seasonal flu, a stroke, brain cancer, doesn't mean it doesn't exist! But I think you would know, when you go to the shops and half of them are shut, or seeing people with masks on, I think you'd realise something was going on.
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24/12/2020 12:14:25 11 4
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I've known about 9 people who had / have Covid. I know of 2 people who have died - not counting the people posting their experiences on line and celebs etc. Footballers are getting Covid every week, hence how many clubs are struggling with players in and out of the teams. Schools around the country are closing every week or least whole years going home for 2 weeks due to positive covid tests.
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24/12/2020 12:15:02 20 4
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I guess that means that it doesn’t exist at all then....the media are just making it up and news of all those people who’ve tragically lost their lives because of it , is just a lie too.

A friend of mine heads up one of the NHS research teams in Bristol....this is very real.
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24/12/2020 12:20:15 18 2
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I do, I know of quite a few people who have been hospitalised and died. But perhaps that is because of my age (64) and my actual peer group.

Sadly not all have been in the high risk group.

So count yourself lucky and I hope your luck remains.
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24/12/2020 12:29:35 11 2
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You'd have a good idea if your wife was a nurse !!!
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24/12/2020 12:30:22 6 1
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You are very lucky then as many people have lost loved ones due directly to Covid.
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Pip
24/12/2020 12:36:19 0 3
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The only cases I know about are those reported on Spotlight, here in Teignbridge............?
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24/12/2020 12:40:13 1 1
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My father in law was hospitalised by it and I know someone who died of it.
517
24/12/2020 12:41:58 3 1
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Well lucky you
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24/12/2020 12:37:17 3 1
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Which is exactly why "anecdotal" evidence is not evidence at all.
577
24/12/2020 12:50:17 1 1
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I have known 3 people who have died and one hospitalised from COVID-19
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24/12/2020 12:53:47 13 4
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good grief, what an insensitive comment. Thousands have died. I know two, one was old, one was in her 40s. Seven family members have tested positive, 3 of whom have had it bad, and 1who is still in intensive care. Two others have long covid - fit and healthy and athletic people who now have long-term issues with breathing, concentration, exhaustion.
But yeah, you haven't met anyone. Bully for you
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24/12/2020 12:59:07 5 1
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I know of four so far of which two died directly from covid with no underlying problems. Of the other two one had a fall and was hospitalised but cause of death was put down as covid, and the other one broke his pelvis was doing well after the op but contracted covid in hospital and died from that.
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24/12/2020 13:01:49 3 1
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Yep you are lucky. I know 2 people who had it and one of them still had chest problems after a few weeks although she was back at work after 3 weeks out. This doesnt sound like any ordinary virus.
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24/12/2020 13:21:08 0 1
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Not me
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24/12/2020 13:23:01 2 1
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Only anecdotal but I personally didn’t see any British soldiers liberate the Falkland Islands. I only know about it from the media. Maybe that didn’t happen either???
778
24/12/2020 13:29:02 1 2
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6 dead and one Long Covid, five of them caught it in Hospital but had no underlying issues that made them be on any at risk list
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24/12/2020 13:29:46 2 1
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This is such a ridiculous statement. It is either phenomenally naïve, or plain old trolling.
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24/12/2020 13:29:58 1 1
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I know someone who was given it in hospital. Nearly killed him.
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24/12/2020 13:35:13 1 1
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Sadly it’s a fact whether you know someone or not.
24/12/2020 14:19:08 1 1
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Cretinous comment! You really that ignorant or just an attention seeker??
24/12/2020 14:22:54 1 1
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You’re lucky, I know 5 who’ve died of it. Others have legacy ill health issues now and 4 people who died who didn’t need to, two of whom had cancer treatment stopped.
24/12/2020 14:25:39 1 1
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I know 2 who have died. And one wasn't that old
24/12/2020 14:27:05 1 1
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Yes I see your point. I have lots of American friends and no one voted for or knew anyone who voted for a guy called Trump. If it wasn't for the media I would no idea that a deadly president was ravishing the country.
24/12/2020 15:00:14 3 1
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I've worked from home for 20 years & normally go out only once or twice a week, so my life hasn't changed a huge amount. But I know a healthy young man who was in hospital last month with Covid, 3 more elderly people who've been hospitalised during the summer, & one who died. All this in a low-risk area, from the personal experience of someone almost pathologically antisocial.
24/12/2020 15:19:28 2 1
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Then you should be grateful that the media keeps you informed.
24/12/2020 15:30:15 1 1
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I do
24/12/2020 15:54:41 1 1
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Oh it's all a hoax then is it?
24/12/2020 16:22:02 0 1
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As in '68 with the HK flu, when everything carried on as normal despite it being more deadly, and the MSM didn't spread fear all the time.
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24/12/2020 16:22:39 1 1
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Lucky you! In my little northern town I know of at least three people that have lost loved ones and have friends who now have serious health issues post covid . I hope that you remain this lucky until this vile disease is dealt with .
24/12/2020 16:50:12 1 1
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And your point is?
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24/12/2020 11:36:59 129 39
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We are all going to get it at some point, same as common cold, everyone has had one. The lockdowns and other restrictions take pressure off hospitals by stopping us all getting it at once.
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24/12/2020 11:42:05 70 98
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Lockdowns actually cause massive spikes in infection after they are lifted.
24/12/2020 16:46:57 3 4
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No we won't.
And better hygiene has probably reduced the cold and flu numbers.
I hope the great British public have learnt some lessons and won't be so self-conscious about wearing masks when they do catch a cold.
The research on coronavirus might help with finding some prevention or treatment of the common cold which can have just as deadly consequences for some.
LK
24/12/2020 20:38:47 0 1
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Spot on Graham. There is only one way to avoid getting it. STOP BREATHING.
24/12/2020 21:10:24 0 1
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Except they don’t. Normal healthy people under 80 are not at risk. We need to protect the vulnerable without destroying the economy and with it heather lives of the healthy and the futures of the young. And this is not it yet.
24/12/2020 21:54:46 0 0
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Yes that’s what its all about. Its a virus, it will spread. About 90% don’t need hospital treatment. So the more that catch it the more natural antibodies are created. These and the vaccines are what will beat it. Not lockdowns.
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24/12/2020 11:37:08 11 11
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Thankfully this seems milder than the “normal” COVID strain - perhaps a better chance for herd immunity?
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24/12/2020 11:35:36 9 6
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It’s not all bad news. Almost 2% of people are following the rules and gudelines.
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24/12/2020 11:37:14 4 5
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I'd say more, about 48%
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24/12/2020 11:31:08 42 27
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So, if Tier 4 does what it's supposed to do, we should start to see a decrease in new infections. If we don't, then the Government will have some explaining to do.
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24/12/2020 11:37:38 51 11
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IF people stuck to the rules we are seeing a drop in infection rates in Tier 4 areas. So much for IDS and his. ' London is a special case for remaining in tier 2', today they announce that our capital has the highest infection rate in the country.
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24/12/2020 11:32:44 37 34
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In reality I can't see what the issue is. People need to be infected if we're ever going to reach herd immunity.

Given that vaccines are being rolled out, as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount.

Can't lockdown forever.
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24/12/2020 11:37:49 4 4
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Bang on Sammy
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24/12/2020 11:31:32 87 39
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Think yourselves lucky you don't live in Scotland. Infection rates here are falling and we are going into total lockdown on boxing day.
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24/12/2020 11:37:50 155 108
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I rarely agree with Sturgeon but believe she has got it spot on this time.
Every time we come out of lockdown or go into a lower tier we see a surge in cases. We need to clamp down on this and stay clamped on it until we're all vaccinated. There is light at the end of the tunnel at least.
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24/12/2020 11:48:22 13 14
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Probably because people like her don't stick to the rules when out of lockdowns, wearing masks at gatherings for example.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 12:02:40 2 15
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One slight problem there can't vaccinate everyone as people with food allergy can't have the vaccine
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24/12/2020 12:05:43 21 4
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You think the economy can survive that? Do you fancy living in caves again?
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24/12/2020 12:18:10 19 4
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People seem to have forgotten the purpose of lockdowns is primarily to smooth out hospital admissions to avoid a complete breakdown of the NHS.

The UK lost the battle to eradicate the virus 10 months ago when it became endemic in the community.

It is inevitable that lockdowns will yoyo, for they are always a balance between medical and economic needs.

Only solution is a vaccine
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24/12/2020 12:35:47 12 10
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that's because lockdown's don't work how many time do you have to see it not working to get it into your understanding
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24/12/2020 13:00:10 27 2
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The cost of lockdown IS NOT WORTH IT - other diseases going undetected (4.4 MILLION less scans in 2020), delays to treatment or none at all, economic damage, loss of jobs and livelihood, mental health, social isolation, interrupted development of children, 9 months of trashed life for young people (left uni but stuck, can't meet other people, exams trashed, crap start to uni) and so on . . . .
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24/12/2020 13:18:31 2 1
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You're stating the obvious. If it was as easy as you say to 'clamp down' then that's what would have happened from the start. Your 'solution' is a gross simplification. But you can lock yourself down if you like.
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24/12/2020 13:21:19 0 1
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A very long tunnel though.
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24/12/2020 13:53:18 1 6
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Political point scoring and referendum mania aside I think she has handled the pandemic best. of all the four leaders.
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24/12/2020 13:46:32 0 1
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she must be right bbc showed her without a face mask so she is spot on and scotland must be doing well against the virus
24/12/2020 16:45:06 0 1
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I could not agree more. The UK, I mean the English government, has acted a bit quicker than usual but too late. Scotland has a chance to slow the spread of the new variant and save lives.
24/12/2020 18:14:20 2 1
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Up here in the Highlands the current R is something like 24 per 100,000 (last looked about 2 days ago). We don't need to be in total lockdown here but are suffering because of Sturgeon's little whims and fancies. She needs challenging and to be put in her place. She is ruining business and lives, not saving them.
24/12/2020 19:02:10 1 1
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Sturgeon has it easy though. She doesn't have to worry about paying any of this back, and the longer the pandemic goes on the longer she can define herself as a statesman, acting for Scotland, with an illusion of independence wrapped around her.

She must be loving the pandemic - so much so she can break her own rules!
24/12/2020 21:59:49 0 0
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Exactly. Close the border. Simple solution. Like it should have been done last time.
24/12/2020 22:55:27 0 0
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Locked down, isolated. Cyanide available via the Internet.
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24/12/2020 11:32:44 37 34
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In reality I can't see what the issue is. People need to be infected if we're ever going to reach herd immunity.

Given that vaccines are being rolled out, as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount.

Can't lockdown forever.
Herd Immunity, you are a idiot, as a Farmer I know what Herd Immunity means, you will lose up to 80% of your Herd until they are All vaccinated, that is if the vaccine works of Course, there is no such thing as Herd Immunity, it will go on forever. Removed
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24/12/2020 11:46:39 0 1
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You'd best let the government know then as it was on the BBC just last week that there won't be vaccines given to the entire population.

You may want to tell them what you know about herd immunity not being real either as that's what they were banking on.
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:37:58 75 60
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Likewise
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24/12/2020 12:08:59 5 19
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Same here. I know countless people, not one of whom has had the virus or has even tested positive.
24/12/2020 16:50:36 1 1
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So it's not happening?
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24/12/2020 11:31:08 42 27
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So, if Tier 4 does what it's supposed to do, we should start to see a decrease in new infections. If we don't, then the Government will have some explaining to do.
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24/12/2020 11:38:11 7 4
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They will then blame the people in that inevitable case.
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BD
24/12/2020 12:20:30 1 3
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And so they should!
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:38:26 41 6
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Yes, lucky you then.
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24/12/2020 11:38:30 7 8
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No matter what we will prevail and learn from all this for the sake of a better world.
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24/12/2020 11:52:08 0 1
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Thankfully.

Inertia is much stronger than I ever thought - “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, “maintain the status quo”, “minimal viable product” etc, etc.

But when something is broken and we have to fix it, humans are amazing.

From now on it will be easier to make decisions on the basis of being compassionate to people. If it breaks a part of a system, we’ll fix it

Things will improve
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:38:42 23 5
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The same for me too. Maybe we're the lucky ones?
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:39:09 12 23
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Lucky you, and you're obviously walking around with your eyes closed then. Or maybe you just don't leave your house, people wearing masks are a common sight.......
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24/12/2020 11:33:00 1252 346
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First country to find an effective treatment.

First country to start using a tested vaccine.

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will be soon and save millions worldwide.

Carrying out more testing than any European nation.

Doing more than half the world's genome sequencing.

The UK is brilliant!
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24/12/2020 11:39:29 95 130
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You must be in a happy place,or very sarcastic
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24/12/2020 12:29:13 15 4
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The only part that could possibly be sarcastic is the last sentence. All the rest is verifiable fact. Only last week Wales alone carried out 4,000 genome sequencing tests. More than France has carried out for the whole pandemic.
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:39:38 18 3
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However, I do
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:39:44 43 5
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You have been fortunate. I’ve lost 3 family members
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24/12/2020 11:33:00 1252 346
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First country to find an effective treatment.

First country to start using a tested vaccine.

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will be soon and save millions worldwide.

Carrying out more testing than any European nation.

Doing more than half the world's genome sequencing.

The UK is brilliant!
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24/12/2020 11:40:00 172 235
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Don't forget most deaths in Europe, worst hit economy in Europe, slowest recovering economy in Europe... Brexit shambles days away.. Amazing..
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24/12/2020 11:54:02 121 15
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Isn’t the most deaths now Italy?
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24/12/2020 11:57:55 43 34
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.....and don't forget of course, you, the biggest miseryguts in Europe, nay, the world...,..
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24/12/2020 11:59:31 72 28
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Italy has the most deaths in Europe, other European economies have much slower recovery than the U.K. and a brexit deal is likely hours away, cheer up and be more positive, 2021 is days away
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24/12/2020 12:00:49 28 6
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Glass half empty eh?
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24/12/2020 12:01:36 38 25
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Remainers.... the gift the keeps giving
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24/12/2020 12:05:18 25 6
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Italy has the highest total deaths in Europe... By head of population? Well that's little San Marino followed by Belgium. The UK are only tenth in that league.
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24/12/2020 12:08:29 28 4
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Not most deaths in Europe. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.
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24/12/2020 12:15:34 12 15
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Doesn't matter what the subject is on BBC, the remoaners raise their ugly heads. This is about covid-19 and not brexit sunshine.
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24/12/2020 12:18:27 13 4
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Actually Italy has the worst death total in Europe not the UK.
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24/12/2020 12:26:48 17 3
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Not true, both Belgium and Italy have more deaths and if you use a more reliable measure (per capita) so too does Spain, Slovenia and Bosnia.
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24/12/2020 11:40:06 11 23
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We have all had it now and it’s nothing worse than a cold as I have known for months!!
Absolute farce this collapsing everything for a bad cold!!
Can’t keep locking down every few weeks we going to do the same for flu next year??
Lose weight/ keep fit and eat healthily
now that wound save the NHS.
No mystery that we are dying so much because we are simply unfit as a nation no other reason!
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24/12/2020 11:42:28 2 4
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Sweden is one of th healthiest nations in Europe but are just behind us in the Covid date rate. How do you explain that on simple fitness etc.
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24/12/2020 11:47:43 4 1
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Strange that 60,000 people have died from cold symptoms in the UK since March don't you think.
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24/12/2020 11:27:10 15 15
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Measures working well, then. Particularly in Wales where rules were stricter. Maybe even Sage can get this message.
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24/12/2020 11:40:10 5 4
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"Particularly in Wales". Doesn't South Wales have some of the worst numbers in the UK? Think you need to change where you're getting your information.
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MVP
24/12/2020 11:40:12 12 13
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Government dithering has caused this

When this is all over there needs to be a full enquiry and those responsible for these failures need to face the consequences
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24/12/2020 11:30:18 22 33
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As it is the season of goodwill, Matt Hancock should spend Christmas in jail for the good of the country. Then he can reflect on his underperformance this year. In 2021 he should be placed on performance related pay. This year he has done no effective work so should not have been paid - why was he?
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24/12/2020 11:40:14 3 11
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Sack the incompetent Clown and at the same time Sack Boris and his whole thick Junta, the only good news for us at present,, there will not be a No Deal that will screw Boris and his incompetent Party.
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24/12/2020 11:55:40 0 8
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Junta ...Sums up that lot PERFECTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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24/12/2020 11:40:15 12 10
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The steps they are taking are probably the best possible but as has been all the way through the pandemic whatever we do won't work unless there is somebody visibly enforces the rules. There are enough willing to ignore them to keep pushing the "R Rate" up.
50
24/12/2020 11:40:18 16 21
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It's time that Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson resigned and we have a GE
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24/12/2020 11:42:57 10 2
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Covid 19 does not give a hoot about anyone's political views, skin colour or bank balance.

What would you if you were PM?
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kat
24/12/2020 11:35:24 317 83
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IDK, maybe we should have tried one really strict lockdown with closed borders to try and totally eradicate the virus. This limping on with tiers and pseudo-lockdowns over 8 months just hasn't worked.
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24/12/2020 11:40:28 207 35
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It is not as easy as that, we had millions overseas, (literally), and the media were screaming that we had to get them home.
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kat
24/12/2020 11:52:36 28 5
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Yes, I appreciate that. Allow people to get back then one hard down over 4-6 weeks. More support to those who couldn't work but over a shorter period. We shouldn't have been going on holiday abroad this year either.

Test and trace could work but only if we got the number of infections down to a very small number.
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24/12/2020 12:27:24 39 11
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If the media were more on side instead of continually trying to criticise we would all be a lot better off. The rubbish media questions at the Press Conferences show they are a bunch of morons.
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24/12/2020 12:43:15 28 5
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Indeed, so did the Chinese, they flew them home straight into a 2 week enforced isolation, with their shopping needs etc catered for by army/councils. Others did the same. If we had done the same we would not be here now. I think a complete full blown locked down from 'early' March to May 31st with no flights after Brits flown home, would have made a huge difference. Also mask wearing then too.
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24/12/2020 12:49:44 12 4
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So isolate incomers in secure accommodation at their own expense.
If they want to come in enough they can pay for the precautions.
Hard word worked fine in Taiwan NZ and Aus but we in UK insisted in halfarsed inadequate measures which is why we're still lurching from crisis to crisis after 11 solid months
24/12/2020 14:47:05 1 2
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could they not of been put in hotels for a fortnight?
24/12/2020 17:57:19 0 1
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The media do not control the country.
Though they think they should.
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24/12/2020 18:53:57 1 1
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Exactly The media and press have been leading the government! Boris needs and should go and let a real leader take over whilst the party has a minutia of a chance to survive the next 12 years
24/12/2020 19:16:48 1 1
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And the majority of them left the UK AFTER it all kicked off - idiots indeed!
24/12/2020 20:43:00 1 0
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Get our own back into strict quarantine, and keep all the rest out.
24/12/2020 21:20:34 0 0
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and we always do what the media tells us
24/12/2020 22:37:54 0 1
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If they went oversea's during a pandemic that their own fault - all ports and airports should jave been closed then this increase would have stopped
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24/12/2020 11:40:38 30 30
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In the area I live in, for every 100,000 people, 99,960 never contracted the virus yesterday. I expect the results will be very similar today. Lockdown-WHY?
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24/12/2020 11:44:01 18 13
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Have your mum, dad, nan or grandad had it have you had any one close on a ventilator at deaths door...... Didn't think so.... Any yes I have
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24/12/2020 11:45:51 6 6
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Good point well made.

Which is a good news story that infection rates in your area are low because of the preventative measures taken including lockdown.

Result.

If no measures taken, the NHS may have collapsed leading to even more public strife.
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24/12/2020 12:29:20 1 1
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What you mean is only 40 per 100,000 have had it in the last 7 days - that is where Hastings was a couple of weeks ago - now it is nearer 900 and rising and that is a rolling daily figure so the total is far higher
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24/12/2020 11:33:00 1252 346
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First country to find an effective treatment.

First country to start using a tested vaccine.

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will be soon and save millions worldwide.

Carrying out more testing than any European nation.

Doing more than half the world's genome sequencing.

The UK is brilliant!
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24/12/2020 11:40:39 105 48
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Don’t tell the BBC
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24/12/2020 11:40:54 16 12
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No worries the easiest way to get this sorted is to a have lock down, feels like it's the same mindset the generals had in the first world war.
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24/12/2020 11:41:18 98 82
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But infection doesn't always mean serious sickness or death. Let's not mistake infections with death.

1 in 5 people with Covid do not show symptoms.

The deaths are certainly up, but the way the numbers are presented skew reality. The death count is heavily concentrated in the over 65s, see the ONS website.

It's a very real virus, but was it worth shutting our economy over? How different to flu?
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24/12/2020 11:45:59 87 24
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Higher percentage of positive tests = more deaths.

The flu has a 0.1% death rate, covid is estimated to be between 0.5 to 1%. So 5 to 10 times worse.
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24/12/2020 11:51:36 11 17
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So it doesn't matter if over 65s die in large numbers?
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24/12/2020 11:55:20 16 2
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A government communication earlier this week stated it could be as high as 1 in 3 who are asymptomatic (i.e. not ill at all and don't even realise they have it). We should absolutely focus on hospitalisations and deaths, but not on 'cases', unless they are in the main at risk groups.
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24/12/2020 11:44:54 3 9
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You mean 4 in 5 show symptoms!??

My lord, LOCK DOWN NOW!!
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24/12/2020 12:16:59 7 1
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Do we really know what the long term effects of this virus has on a human body whether they had symptoms or not? I don't think anyone knows yet. It could be years before this is discovered.
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24/12/2020 12:24:42 1 2
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We had to shut our economy as a significant minority refuse to do even the basics. Maybe restrictions could have remained lighter with higher adherence to the guidelines.

When flu first hit humans, it probably devastated us and has since dwindled in consequence due to herd immunity. It's *possible* this virus might follow suit but via vaccination instead. Let's hope so.
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24/12/2020 12:25:28 2 3
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I dread to think what life would have been like if we had just ignored it and carried on regardless. Think of all those who commuted daily in overcrowded trains and buses and how it would spread to all areas when they dispersed. Glastonbury and other festivals and clubbing could have been ideal as well although the Summer might have helped
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24/12/2020 12:33:50 2 1
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It is not really just about the number of deaths, which is much higher than flu and we are only in month 10! The real issue is the long term - which will affect the NHS and the economy possibly for decades. Front line doctors are very concerned over the long term damage - damage to kidneys, heart, liver, stomach, bowels and immune system. Some people are still trying to recover from March.
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24/12/2020 13:25:41 0 4
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How old are you?
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24/12/2020 13:31:08 0 1
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3 times as infectious and 8 times as deadly
24/12/2020 15:31:12 0 1
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1 in 3
24/12/2020 16:47:58 0 1
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No one is shutting the economy - they are trying to stop hospitals being overwhelmed. If they are, then people won't be able to be treated for non covid conditions. Or would you ban anyone over 60 using a hospital?
24/12/2020 16:50:07 0 1
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How different to flu?
A lot.
Doesn't matter about the ages, it's not worth dying for.
24/12/2020 21:05:45 0 1
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But from the same ONS website, about 500 more under 55s have died of Covid so far (figures to 4th December for covid deaths) than died on the roads in total in 2019....
24/12/2020 22:33:45 0 0
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Dead is dead.
Sure as hell would slow you down, pal
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24/12/2020 11:30:05 145 127
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So in other words, 98% of Londoners haven't got it. How terrifying.
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24/12/2020 11:41:22 119 41
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That 2% could infect the whole of the World in fact.
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24/12/2020 12:24:46 2 1
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2% of Londoners (at least) with R at 1.5 means each one of that 160,000 can infect up to 15 people each. 15 x 8million = 2,400,000 more infections within a month. The new strain could well see that R rate increase even quicker. Only answer is to keep things under tight restrictions, enforce isolation and everyone gets the jab by April - we need more and faster roll out as more vaccines come out.
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Pip
24/12/2020 12:37:44 1 4
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Eventually, but possibly not in our lifetime...........?
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24/12/2020 12:42:51 2 2
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WHO state 90% will only ever have mild symptoms.
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24/12/2020 12:49:23 3 7
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Good! The more people that catch it the quicker we can get back to normal.
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24/12/2020 13:03:17 0 8
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Nonsense. If we assume that the 2% is genuine (a big IF because these are only PCR tests not illness.. with no adjustment for massive false positives )...the 2% at most could infect those without some immunity. Likely less than 15% of the London population.
24/12/2020 17:49:40 0 1
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Of which very few would even have symptoms
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24/12/2020 11:30:05 145 127
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So in other words, 98% of Londoners haven't got it. How terrifying.
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24/12/2020 11:41:25 32 17
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You don't really understand exponential growth do you?
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24/12/2020 12:10:59 5 2
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Which never sustains in any biological system.
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24/12/2020 11:41:31 4 10
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and this is the governments fault.....yeh listen to the fools spouting such garbage they probably the ones spreading the virus as they obviously have nothing between their ears.
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24/12/2020 11:41:58 47 34
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So, possibly 2% in London then, to keep it in perspective, that's 98% on the other side. Say no more.
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24/12/2020 11:56:27 59 14
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If the r number is well over 1 (which it is) then the 2% will turn into 5% which will turn into 12% and so on, very quickly.
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24/12/2020 12:09:15 5 2
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Let that tiny 2% snog you then.
24/12/2020 22:41:23 0 0
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Nudge nudge wink wink.
What else you heard over the garden fence.
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24/12/2020 11:36:59 129 39
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We are all going to get it at some point, same as common cold, everyone has had one. The lockdowns and other restrictions take pressure off hospitals by stopping us all getting it at once.
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24/12/2020 11:42:05 70 98
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Lockdowns actually cause massive spikes in infection after they are lifted.
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24/12/2020 12:14:09 21 6
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That proves that it is irresponsible behaviour after the lockdown is eased that causes the sharp increase.
Some folk think they can immediately go back to normal.
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24/12/2020 13:19:48 11 3
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actual evidence please
24/12/2020 14:21:44 5 3
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Not necessarily. Our first one didn’t.
24/12/2020 15:46:23 10 3
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No, it's infected people that cause massive spikes by socialising after a lockdown.
24/12/2020 17:46:23 6 5
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People cause those spikes because they run around breaking the rules given the slimmest opportunity, The lockdowns reduce infection, people increase it
24/12/2020 18:04:46 3 5
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Only because there are idiots out there.
And police failed to enforce laws of the land.
24/12/2020 18:44:05 2 1
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I don't recall massive spikes in June, July, August. Quite the opposite!
24/12/2020 18:56:52 0 4
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Most daft comment read in the past 9 months, your not Derick from only fools & horses?
24/12/2020 18:58:56 0 2
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Because everyone goes shopping!!!

To be honest if the best thing to do would have been to cancel xmas. And I mean completely. Ban the word. Boxing day - gone. Just another normal week. But no - we must 'celebrate' which means spending money we don't have on stuff we don't need and in doing so spreading the virus to loads of people. Pubs can whinge but how much worse would it be if they were open?
24/12/2020 19:00:45 1 2
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NOPE people do
24/12/2020 19:19:29 1 2
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No, idiots cause massive spikes in infection after they are lifted (and a good few before they are lifted).
24/12/2020 20:35:22 0 2
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Even the idiot Ferguson's initial paper showed a massive number of deaths in October after the 3 month lockdown he recommended. He 'revised' that out when he realised it showed the utter pointlessness of lockdowns.
24/12/2020 20:58:17 0 1
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Look at that massive spike we got after the first lockdown...
24/12/2020 22:22:11 0 0
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That is because people are idiots and don't connect why there was a lockdown in the first place
24/12/2020 23:07:14 0 0
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No, PEOPLE cause massive spikes in infection.
24/12/2020 23:10:15 0 0
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No, lockdowns are the cause. It is idiots who think that once the lockdown is relaxed, it’s back to normal agin that cause the problems.
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24/12/2020 11:42:14 518 99
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Not really surprising when you see all these morons around Oxford Street etc not social distancing.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 12:01:51 47 36
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These “morons” are only obeying government guidelines - going to the shops was allowed and no requirement for masks outdoors.

Not everyone can rely on online deliveries.

Remember Eat Out To Help Out, Go Back To Work / Don’t Go Back To Work etc etc. That’s the cause, not a few people walking past each other in the street.
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24/12/2020 12:13:54 27 14
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Was that from a picture taken from a low angle, which gives the impression of everyone close together when actually they're 2 or 3 metres apart?
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24/12/2020 12:18:58 34 17
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Not now as they have all dashed here to their second homes and infecting us instead. And hospitals are few and far here.
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24/12/2020 12:19:08 37 12
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When the pictures or video clips are street level it always looks worse than it is and it helps the narrative, just like the beach scenes in June - actually reasonably well spaced and the wind dispersing everything - don't swallow everything you're spoon-fed by the media. Anyone seen any reporting from inside a home in towns like Leicester or Blackburn? Didn't think so
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24/12/2020 13:18:03 24 8
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This really has highlighted how many people just love to judge others.
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24/12/2020 13:25:13 25 10
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And morons in the supermarket last night without masks
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24/12/2020 13:45:09 3 2
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Completely agree, they are sheeple. But also approve of the term morons!
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24/12/2020 13:46:03 1 5
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Morons? Take a good look at yourself for a change, and hopefully you will realise that you are not quite so perfect after all.
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24/12/2020 14:11:13 2 1
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Indeed. Apart from Michael Gove in the papers nearly everyone when he was shopping in London who was wearing a mask was not white and most people were not social distancing. Same as everywhere sadly.
Who are you to call anyone a moron ? Removed
24/12/2020 14:39:34 2 2
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Yeah, doing that totally moronic thing of going Christmas shopping in the only two weeks allowed, whilst perfectly legally and obediently following the rules and guidance of doing something completely permitted. Some people......
24/12/2020 14:47:22 2 2
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Some of us were saying London should have been put into Tier 3, when most of the rest of England was, and not Tier 2.; and now, hey presto, it's in Tier 4.

And you've got the Tory Bots lying about what a good job the Tories have done; talk about believing your own propaganda!!
24/12/2020 14:52:15 0 1
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Guess you went there to shame them?
Yes, major morons Removed
24/12/2020 19:26:27 1 2
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Not just Oxford Street. Everywhere you look there are people who clearly believe the mask drooping below their nose makes them invincible. When they find that they're not, they'll blame Boris.
24/12/2020 19:37:25 0 1
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well said.
but it's not just there, it's countrywide. also some who should know better and set the example they speak of !!!!
24/12/2020 21:33:52 1 0
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The BBC showed people outside Debenhams in London waiting for it to open for their pre-closure sale and they were all socially distancing. When the door opened they all squeezed together in the doorway and some even waved at the camera in a "look how silly I am and stuff the rules" gesture.
24/12/2020 22:06:26 0 0
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Couldn't have put it better.
Mel
24/12/2020 23:22:04 0 0
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Oxford Street hardly represents the 8 million people who live in the 32 London Boroughs
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24/12/2020 11:40:06 11 23
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We have all had it now and it’s nothing worse than a cold as I have known for months!!
Absolute farce this collapsing everything for a bad cold!!
Can’t keep locking down every few weeks we going to do the same for flu next year??
Lose weight/ keep fit and eat healthily
now that wound save the NHS.
No mystery that we are dying so much because we are simply unfit as a nation no other reason!
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24/12/2020 11:42:28 2 4
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Sweden is one of th healthiest nations in Europe but are just behind us in the Covid date rate. How do you explain that on simple fitness etc.
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24/12/2020 11:42:41 10 13
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London needs a full lockdown now. Get the army to surround the city and keep the rest of us safe.
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24/12/2020 12:22:30 1 1
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Too Late!
They're all here now, in our retail shops, buying farmed trees, infecting us.
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24/12/2020 11:40:18 16 21
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It's time that Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson resigned and we have a GE
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24/12/2020 11:42:57 10 2
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Covid 19 does not give a hoot about anyone's political views, skin colour or bank balance.

What would you if you were PM?
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24/12/2020 11:53:28 2 4
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Not be so incompetent, egotistical and corrupt
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24/12/2020 11:43:20 11 13
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even govt state 1 in 3 have NO symptoms ...and 98% do not succumb !!!!!! STOP the FEAR mongering !!! STOP suppressing the Public whom you are supposed to serve , not Diktate to . BJ and MH , now , MUST be rtemoved from Office and tried for all their crimes against the People....
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24/12/2020 11:43:25 1 3
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More like sharp levels rise down south, the north west is steadily declining, does that mean we can move to Tier 2 please.
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24/12/2020 11:43:27 1 1
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Crickey! 1 in 50 in London.
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24/12/2020 13:23:30 1 1
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pity they dont know how many people are actually in london,eh.
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24/12/2020 11:43:34 3 2
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Hopefully not too many people die before we all get vaccinated, but I have a strange feeling most people won’t even get their first jab until August, and then we might have to pay for it.
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24/12/2020 11:43:41 5 3
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With rising numbers, are the Nightingale hospitals being re-opened?

Surely this would help to isolate people that have the virus, then we can revert back to an open economy and some sense of normality......
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24/12/2020 11:48:34 2 3
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There's not enough staff to fully open the nightingale hospitals. And they're giving the vaccine to admin staff ahead of front line medics.
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24/12/2020 11:50:35 0 1
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The problem apparently is not enough doctors and nurses.....
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24/12/2020 11:52:48 1 1
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Sadly not. It's not that they don't physically exist, it's that we don't have the personnel to man them. Even if you drafted in the armed forces med corps there wouldn't be enough people to keep all the Nightingales running... Great idea badly thought through.
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24/12/2020 11:55:28 0 1
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Unfortunately I don't think they have the staff, they are already stretched trying to cope with the full wards now.
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24/12/2020 11:43:46 4 4
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If we had not accepted this 4 Nations Approach after such a successful suppression of the virus during the summer when Scotland had only two deaths in a seven week period we would be in a better situation now.
Recognition that the Boris and DoorMatt show is deadly should have made us restrict our border much earlier than this. Now that England has Brexit it's time for Scots self determination.
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24/12/2020 13:22:19 0 1
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what self determining how many drug deaths you have,what state your nhs,schools are in.if the english voted on scottish indy,you would have a majority.pity cos most scots are not mindless indy fans.you just keep hanging on to your $150 barrel oil,eh.
24/12/2020 20:12:10 0 1
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DoorMatt....brilliant
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24/12/2020 11:43:57 3 6
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This new strain is absolutely rampant. I can see a complete lockdown coming as it is clearly out of control.
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24/12/2020 11:43:59 7 7
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If you're joining the throng on the UK's high street's pavements this festive season, take care, pop a mask on darlings.
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24/12/2020 11:50:38 6 4
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There is no significant evidence of outdoor spread of the virus, as fresh air quickly dilutes the aerosols, so mask wearing is not necessary outdoors.
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24/12/2020 11:57:32 2 1
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Unfortunately people think that a mask dangling round their face and not even covering their nose gives them immunity. It doesn't, its supposed to protect other people, not the wearer, and it helps not at all if you touch things in shops that others have touched or breathed on, particularly if it's on a cold shelf. Yes, wear a mask, but don't assume that's all you need to do.
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24/12/2020 11:40:38 30 30
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In the area I live in, for every 100,000 people, 99,960 never contracted the virus yesterday. I expect the results will be very similar today. Lockdown-WHY?
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24/12/2020 11:44:01 18 13
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Have your mum, dad, nan or grandad had it have you had any one close on a ventilator at deaths door...... Didn't think so.... Any yes I have
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 11:36:30 27 10
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"as long as hospital admissions are controlled to a reasonable amount"...
That is exactly the problem right now. They don't have the remaining capacity to handle another surge.
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24/12/2020 11:44:36 1 3
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and the Nightingale Hospitals are there for? Even saying that, the real problem the hospitals have is the pressure on staff numbers let alone there capacity to continue to cope.
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24/12/2020 12:10:42 1 2
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The nightingale Hospitals are empty shells. All the equipment that was in them has disappeared. Journalists have accessed these sites and they are empty of beds and everything that was bought and stocked in them.
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24/12/2020 11:33:54 11 2
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" In the 70th minute we've now got an equaliser.

Looking like the virus, has played a blinder, but was it offside.....???
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24/12/2020 11:44:45 0 1
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dont expect VAR to resolve it tho huh ? :)
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24/12/2020 11:44:45 3 3
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If this variant of the virus caused a small increase in the length of time asymptotic people spread the disease or how long peak viral load occurs then it would have a disproportionate adverse effect on infection rates.
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24/12/2020 11:44:49 2 8
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It’s time for real leadership in this matter, not a weak tier system that doesn’t work. Fully enforced lockdown, test all arrivals and stamp out any sign. Ludicrous that business has been punished for no gains due to an inept pm and test track and trace system
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24/12/2020 11:53:56 4 2
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O Well, Remember That WE Had a Full-English Lockdown In November!.. An Didn't That Go Well ???
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24/12/2020 11:54:28 2 1
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Won't work, any more than it has in any other country. Argentina had a very strict lockdown, enforced by the military, but has still ended up doing worse than Sweden, which didn't have a formal lockdown (and has so far done much better than Italy, France, UK, Belgium, USA, Spain, etc.etc.etc.)
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24/12/2020 11:44:51 5 10
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“Scientists say it spreads more easily than other forms of the virus although they don't believe it causes more serious disease.”

What’s the fuss then?
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24/12/2020 11:46:48 14 5
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Because if a larger number of people get sick, and the same % get VERY sick, and the same % die, that means more really sick, overflowing hospitals and more deaths. DO THE MATHS!!!
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24/12/2020 11:47:14 6 1
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Er.. Because a proportion of people become very ill and die. If more people catch it, more will become very ill and die?
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24/12/2020 11:47:29 6 1
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More people getting covid, more deaths and hospitalizations. basic simple maths
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24/12/2020 11:48:11 3 1
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More people will get infected quicker and overwhelm the NHS...
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24/12/2020 11:30:54 13 12
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Just had a look at the ONS figures for cases tested positive and rate is pretty linear since September... that's not a massive surge..
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24/12/2020 11:45:04 4 1
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I'm part of the survey and been saying this for a while. It's been around 1% since October. It also puts the 2 million cases figure into perspective - reality is we could be closer to 10 million people who have already had this.
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24/12/2020 11:45:28 14 6
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I had Covid in March, along with a number of colleagues. We were all unquestionably ill for 2/3 weeks - all the documented symptoms: exhaustion, low dry cough, fevers, loss of taste and smell. But, no runny noses, or throaty coughs - it's not a cold!

Since end of spring I don't know of anyone who has actually got ill in the same way. Does any one else?
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24/12/2020 11:46:49 24 10
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Yes
and some are dead
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24/12/2020 11:59:15 6 1
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In just out of self isolation after suffering the symptoms you describe and testing positive. I'm very weak and can just about manage to shower and dress then I'm done for the day so no going out for me even though I legally can now.. No idea how long these symptoms will last. So yes it's still out there and wouldn't wish it on anyone. Stay safe all and Merry Christmas.
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24/12/2020 12:12:42 4 2
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Friend of mine uncle went in hospital having had a stroke, they tested him for Covid before treating him (50% accuracy rate) it showed positive, he wasnt allowed to leave, held down by 4 nurses, he was then sedated, and never regained consciousness and died. He had no symptoms at all. He went into be treated for something completely different, but was never treated for it.
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24/12/2020 11:45:34 9 10
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Spanish flu lasted nearly 2 and a half years because the governments back then didn't have a clue what they were doing, people's ignorance kept the virus alive, stupidity ruled, arrogance came a close second, and history is repeating itself, let's knuckle down for no Christmas get together this year and likely next year thanks to all those who know better than the rest of us :)
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24/12/2020 11:50:48 0 2
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True, but also, war, famine, poor hygiene, tens of millions of displaced people played their roles. And keep in mind it came from a Kansas pig farm with US troops.
So, how did German troops get it in the trenches when they were some distance apart from allies?
Airborne.
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24/12/2020 11:56:57 0 1
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There was also a war on! Then hundreds of people travelling and spreading the disease, not out of arrogance, but because they were returning home from fighting!
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24/12/2020 11:33:00 1252 346
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First country to find an effective treatment.

First country to start using a tested vaccine.

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will be soon and save millions worldwide.

Carrying out more testing than any European nation.

Doing more than half the world's genome sequencing.

The UK is brilliant!
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FIRST country to grass itself UP and call it MUTANT ..thwereby turning the World against us ....Treason MH ..off you go ..The Tower awaits you Removed
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24/12/2020 11:56:00 93 10
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Tell lies,tell the truth, there's no satisfying some in this country.
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24/12/2020 11:36:34 148 141
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Only anecdotal but i still do not know anyone who has died or even hospitalised with Covid19 so if it were not for the media i would have no idea there is a deadly pandemic ravaging the country.
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24/12/2020 11:45:48 20 3
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Up until last week I would have agreed with you. However as the cases have been rising recently so have the amount of people I know or know of who have had it.
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24/12/2020 13:05:37 0 1
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The point was “hospitalised or died not “had it”.
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24/12/2020 11:40:38 30 30
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In the area I live in, for every 100,000 people, 99,960 never contracted the virus yesterday. I expect the results will be very similar today. Lockdown-WHY?
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24/12/2020 11:45:51 6 6
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Good point well made.

Which is a good news story that infection rates in your area are low because of the preventative measures taken including lockdown.

Result.

If no measures taken, the NHS may have collapsed leading to even more public strife.
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24/12/2020 11:41:18 98 82
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But infection doesn't always mean serious sickness or death. Let's not mistake infections with death.

1 in 5 people with Covid do not show symptoms.

The deaths are certainly up, but the way the numbers are presented skew reality. The death count is heavily concentrated in the over 65s, see the ONS website.

It's a very real virus, but was it worth shutting our economy over? How different to flu?
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24/12/2020 11:45:59 87 24
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Higher percentage of positive tests = more deaths.

The flu has a 0.1% death rate, covid is estimated to be between 0.5 to 1%. So 5 to 10 times worse.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 12:00:08 19 2
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Positive tests does not equate infections. It equates symptomatic infections where someone went on to be tested. And infections do not equate to serious sickness or death.

Your quoted death rates are presenting an average across all age ranges.

I don't dispute the deaths are real, and Covid is terrible. However I am saying is that the stats are skewed and the reality is, 750 deaths in under 45s
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24/12/2020 12:00:36 16 2
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The thing is that everyone who has flu knows it. With covid lots of people don't even know they have it, and neither does anyone else. Therefore they are never counted and that makes the death rate look worse than it actually is.
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24/12/2020 12:08:32 12 2
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We have had a vaccine for flu for years though which most vulnerable people have, so a biased and pointless comparison. Prior to a vaccine flu killed a much higher percentage of people
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24/12/2020 11:46:21 156 39
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You either have a lockdown or you don't. Politicians are too worried about losing votes to arrange proper deterrent or enforcement - with that, a series of short sharp breaks could have got this largely under control. Instead, responsible, considerate and careful people make sacrifices which have limited effect because the selfish and the stupid make perfect excellent vectors.
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24/12/2020 11:48:19 95 14
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We are all vectors. We can't help it. Humans have evolved with and because of viruses. This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. There is no end.
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24/12/2020 12:01:12 5 6
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Completely agree. Boris wants to be popular but has little idea what is needed for that.
As for the "selfish and stupid" they're too much concerned with ME rather than WE.
Have a safe Christmas one and all and please do what's right
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24/12/2020 12:24:50 6 2
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the major vector of this new strain has been school children, my assumption is they are the ones you are calling stupid .... or perhaps SAGE should have owned up to this earlier and acted to stop in school transmission with a longer firebreak Christmas holiday
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24/12/2020 12:49:55 5 1
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I think they’re more worried about making us all unemployed and homeless
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24/12/2020 13:04:39 16 11
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Lockdowns don't stop the virus just slow it down. 99.9% recover from covid!!!!!! Yes it's sad people are dying and it might be me if I get it (over 65) but lockdowns are not worth it. You want food, electricity, TV, gas, oil, petrol - well people HAVE to work to provide all that and the virus will spread regardless especially now. Am delighted the thing is spreading faster - lets get it over with.
yes.....there is absolutely no middle-ground between "normal" and "total lockdown"....
24/12/2020 14:59:50 1 2
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Absolute rubbish and short sharp breaks DO NOT WORK. Just look at that as proof as what happened in Wales. So get your facts straight.
24/12/2020 15:55:35 1 1
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Although at the end of the day, this virus kills very few, i.e. a few thousand without any known underlying conditions, out of a population of nearly 70 million. Hysterical over reaction on the past of those who forget they work for us?
24/12/2020 17:38:02 0 1
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No it is because Labour would use it against the government.
24/12/2020 18:57:09 1 1
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Yes responsible folks! -- you have obviously been doing your best to stick to rules like many others. The Vax on its way over next weeks so never mind those selfish others keep you eye on your turn to have one. Go the extra mile with hygiene and be as isolated from others as you can. Family, friends and all kinds of goodness/wellbeing matters more. Thanks for doing your bit too.
24/12/2020 23:12:38 0 0
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Well short sharp lockdowns didn't work in Wales.
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24/12/2020 11:46:34 7 8
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Bank of England imo will raise rates to 8%
Death toll will reach 100,000 people as Covid really tightens its grip.
I think 2020 was just the warm up to what is about to hit us all.
Be safe this Christmas and New year.
Tougher times ahead.
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24/12/2020 11:53:05 5 2
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You're a cheery soul, remind me not to invite you to the party next year :)
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24/12/2020 12:22:51 1 1
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I think you are correct on the death toll, but way off on the 8% rate rise, now that a deal with the EU looks likely.
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24/12/2020 12:41:13 0 1
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If the bank of England raised interest rates to 8% our interest payments on the national debt would be upwards of £180 billion. It's impossible to raise interest rates significantly. Or we're bust.
Herd Immunity, you are a idiot, as a Farmer I know what Herd Immunity means, you will lose up to 80% of your Herd until they are All vaccinated, that is if the vaccine works of Course, there is no such thing as Herd Immunity, it will go on forever. Removed
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24/12/2020 11:46:39 0 1
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You'd best let the government know then as it was on the BBC just last week that there won't be vaccines given to the entire population.

You may want to tell them what you know about herd immunity not being real either as that's what they were banking on.
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24/12/2020 11:44:51 5 10
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“Scientists say it spreads more easily than other forms of the virus although they don't believe it causes more serious disease.”

What’s the fuss then?
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24/12/2020 11:46:48 14 5
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Because if a larger number of people get sick, and the same % get VERY sick, and the same % die, that means more really sick, overflowing hospitals and more deaths. DO THE MATHS!!!
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24/12/2020 11:45:28 14 6
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I had Covid in March, along with a number of colleagues. We were all unquestionably ill for 2/3 weeks - all the documented symptoms: exhaustion, low dry cough, fevers, loss of taste and smell. But, no runny noses, or throaty coughs - it's not a cold!

Since end of spring I don't know of anyone who has actually got ill in the same way. Does any one else?
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24/12/2020 11:46:49 24 10
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Yes
and some are dead
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24/12/2020 11:49:03 2 3
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Who are they? What did they actually die of? Did they have underlying conditions?

Lots of people think they've had it because they "tested positive" - but no one has described to me the illness I and others experienced in March. The illness is unmistakable. "Covid" is the illness, defined by specific symptoms.
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24/12/2020 11:47:03 3 6
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Should the 600k that have had the vaccine, be allowed to go to the pubs?
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24/12/2020 11:54:50 1 1
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Pubs are closed.
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24/12/2020 11:44:51 5 10
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“Scientists say it spreads more easily than other forms of the virus although they don't believe it causes more serious disease.”

What’s the fuss then?
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24/12/2020 11:47:14 6 1
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Er.. Because a proportion of people become very ill and die. If more people catch it, more will become very ill and die?
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24/12/2020 11:47:26 3 7
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The death wish brigade are in the ascendency. You can hear them shouting in the over crowded bars after a few pints “I want to die !”
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24/12/2020 11:52:53 6 1
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You must have misheard.

They are shouting 'I want YOU to die'
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24/12/2020 11:54:34 0 1
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What bars are open?
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24/12/2020 11:44:51 5 10
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“Scientists say it spreads more easily than other forms of the virus although they don't believe it causes more serious disease.”

What’s the fuss then?
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24/12/2020 11:47:29 6 1
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More people getting covid, more deaths and hospitalizations. basic simple maths
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24/12/2020 11:27:09 144 27
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Yes mainly London. We saw the scenes over that ast 2-3 weeks of shops bars etc full, no distancing, no masks. They took the pee out of the North. Karma I believe is the word.
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24/12/2020 12:08:06 104 9
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You are so right. London should never have been put in tier 2 after the 2nd lockdown.
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24/12/2020 14:28:24 4 4
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To be fair, the highest spread is around all the more highly populated urban areas where distancing is more difficult. Out in the sticks, distancing (or being able to) is pretty much normal.
24/12/2020 14:51:55 0 6
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Quiet
24/12/2020 17:39:09 4 6
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They were not testing as they laughed at the north — bitting them now though
24/12/2020 18:03:22 4 8
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They deserved what they brought upon themselves.
24/12/2020 20:27:19 3 1
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Too true !
24/12/2020 20:45:00 1 6
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Now theyre reaping reward for their dumbass selfishness. Im practically dancing for joy - they can experience some of what the North have had to endure for months.
24/12/2020 21:05:49 1 1
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Would like to know how Waverley in Surrey didn’t get put in Tier4 when the rest of the county was. 5 days later it’s added to the list of Tier 4 areas, who couldn’t foresee this happening except government ministers?
24/12/2020 22:05:38 1 0
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Don't laugh too much. At the rate the new variant spreads you'll have it shortly. Enjoy it as you seem to find it amusing that people catch the virus. Don't recall Southerners laughing at you
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24/12/2020 11:40:06 11 23
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We have all had it now and it’s nothing worse than a cold as I have known for months!!
Absolute farce this collapsing everything for a bad cold!!
Can’t keep locking down every few weeks we going to do the same for flu next year??
Lose weight/ keep fit and eat healthily
now that wound save the NHS.
No mystery that we are dying so much because we are simply unfit as a nation no other reason!
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24/12/2020 11:47:43 4 1
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Strange that 60,000 people have died from cold symptoms in the UK since March don't you think.
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24/12/2020 11:48:17 81 22
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The last 12 months has shown we cannot stop the virus spreading, let's take precautions, vaccinate asap but let us get some normality back in our lives. For the sake of our young, our mental health and our economy
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 13:31:10 8 5
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Exactly, finally a sensible comment. I am so sick of people taking extreme views of this situation based on their political leanings.
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24/12/2020 13:47:18 5 12
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What would have hundreds and thousands of deaths do to the mental health of the nation?
24/12/2020 23:11:27 0 0
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There is no mental health for someone who is dead.
24/12/2020 23:44:45 0 0
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The UK public and government have failed to stop the spread. The rest of the world has been far more successful. The UK values the economy and social lives far more highly than the lives of our most vulnerable, we believe 65,000 deaths are preferable to stopping socialising, wearing masks and losses to businesses.
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24/12/2020 11:37:50 155 108
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I rarely agree with Sturgeon but believe she has got it spot on this time.
Every time we come out of lockdown or go into a lower tier we see a surge in cases. We need to clamp down on this and stay clamped on it until we're all vaccinated. There is light at the end of the tunnel at least.
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24/12/2020 11:48:22 13 14
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Probably because people like her don't stick to the rules when out of lockdowns, wearing masks at gatherings for example.
24/12/2020 17:50:49 1 2
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I don't like Sturgeon but childish remarks like that are totally unnecessary. If you had on your mind all the things that those who govern us have on their minds you might forget a few things now and then. Know I've found myself just about to walk into a shop and realised I haven't got my mask on and I bet I'm a long way from being the only one. Grow up!
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24/12/2020 11:48:28 0 5
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More than 2% of Londoners thought to have Covid. Add the new strain which is hugely more transmissible and we have a very rampant virus. Another national lockdown looms large if this carries on.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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24/12/2020 11:48:31 2 7
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No surprise really that the country with the best leader who has put herself in front of the cameras to be shot at is the only place in the UK where the figures are dropping. You will all be infected with the virus in England but take comfort in the fact that when your loved ones are dying Boris got Brexit done. Leader in name only.
The Irish government has been forced to admit that Covid-19 does not exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/
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