Brexit: EU-UK trade deal expected, as cabinet briefed
24/12/2020 | news | politics | 12,629
Officials continue to thrash out final details, after weeks of argument over fishing and business rules.
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23/12/2020 11:10:46 3 4
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And why wouldn't they be?
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23/12/2020 11:10:50 1085 639
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I’m sure if Macron wasn’t involved an agreement would be been sorted a long time ago

His childish antics in recent days at the borders has shown his true character.

AKA -his frail attempt to have a go at the UK for not agreeing to his ridiculous terms
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RM
23/12/2020 11:19:27 1208 1199
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Blame Brexiteers for Brexit mess and not everyone else.
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23/12/2020 11:21:43 112 57
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But that's the French for you........A lot of younger people were not around when French farmers set fire to lorries full of live sheep, dumped British produce into the sea because it was too competitive for them...Then came the corrupt CAP with France being the biggest benefactor with Germany then Spain...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/brexit-leaving-eu-farming-agriculture
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23/12/2020 11:22:13 92 130
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I’m sure if Boris wasn’t involved an agreement would be been sorted a long time ago

His childish antics in recent days at the borders has shown his true character.

AKA -his frail attempt to have a go at the EU for not agreeing to his ridiculous terms
The UK should not permit a deal while the blockade is in place. The UK should not be paying for EU citizens to be tested for covid before entering the EU.

The UK can absorb the blockade longer than the French can sustain it.
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23/12/2020 11:22:22 99 39
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the guy who had a go at children for addressing him by his first name and no mr president, the one who's sat in merkel's top pocket, the guy who tells businesses to abandon london for paris, the one who does nothing about illegal migration - sounds about right
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23/12/2020 11:28:49 82 81
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Macron is protecting his sovereign interests.

Childish gunboat posturing made no impression on him. That's why Brexiteers are fuming.
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23/12/2020 11:30:04 24 7
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So, the fact that the EU tells the member states what to do, was not a fact, but a lie, right?
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23/12/2020 11:33:48 15 8
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Sadly British fishermen were shafted by the UK government when the UK joined what was then the EEC. The consequence is that today the industry is a mere shadow of itself and frankly is not worth the effort saving to eopardising a deal. Personally i believe Boris will apply the coup de grace at the last possible moment.
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23/12/2020 11:34:04 27 13
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You said you wanted a bit of the Dunkirk Spirit back in 2016 (even though you weren't there, yet continue to live your life like a Pathe Newsreel)
This is what it is like to stand alone- discontent, delays, rationing and spivs
I suggest you wear it; take some ownership for what you have caused, and reflect on the fact you may not be infallible after all
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23/12/2020 11:39:10 16 6
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The UK turned fishing rights into a commodity and sold licenses to the highest bidder, some of which were to foreign owners. So what the EU are negotiating for - a longer transition - is only fair to those who invested heavily at a time when the UK were the greatest advocates to the single market.

It's not their fault that the UK is now taking such a drastic change in heart.
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23/12/2020 11:44:45 8 6
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Well said. However let's not forget he's a politician and all he's really interested in is getting votes. If he caves in the French will mutiny and he won't stay in power after 2022 - simple.
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23/12/2020 11:45:01 23 8
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What a silly thing to say, covid is raging through our country so why wouldn't macron or any other sensible leader stop people coming into his country spreading this nasty disease but, aye, lets blame the french because The Sun told us to.
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23/12/2020 11:49:08 11 4
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Must... Find... Scapegoat...!
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23/12/2020 11:45:50 8 14
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You've forgot about his pathetic pitch outside No.10 in July 2016, where he urged all UK businesses to move to France and 99.9% gave him the 'middle finger'? Macron the megalomaniac and his little hairdo. The most dangerous duo in the EU today.
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23/12/2020 11:57:05 10 3
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but Macron has NOT been involved in the negotiating the agreement!!! However France could veto the deal if one is finally agreed
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23/12/2020 12:11:17 11 1
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Macron - is he an elected representative of the French sovereign state with the role of doing what is best for the population of France within a trade and social block... mmm tell me if he didnt do his best would that be a dereliction of duty, if he didnt would he just be failing to do his best... a comment above this mentions hypocrisy...
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23/12/2020 12:12:17 9 3
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"British" companies making things are foreign owned businesses that build stuff for the EU market. Most other industry is reliant upon that activity.
Not to have a deal will break the UK
It really is that simple, and the EU know it
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23/12/2020 12:15:06 3 3
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If Boris have changed his mind on the AGREEMENT we had signed - this WAS sorted a long time ago..
Not like Boris to change his mind, lie or dither
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23/12/2020 12:16:24 10 4
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Macon is defending his country from an OUT of CONTROL virus. Wish we had been sensible and done that in March then Boris wouldn't have created such death and destruction.
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23/12/2020 12:25:51 9 1
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Do you honestly imagine that if France had declared that a new Covid variant was 'out of control', Britain would not have barred traffic from that country at least until the situation had been reviewed and testing introduced?
23/12/2020 12:28:41 2 6
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The trouble is that Macron has withdrawn from many political positions in France because he's as popular as a bag of frogs. About eighteen months ago he changed tack to aim to become the most influential leader in Europe. Much easier that. In France they just strike, riot, march, moan complain as they have done since 68. Thats every week. The Place de la Republique is Wembley to them.
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23/12/2020 11:10:54 308 83
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Oh another have your say on Brexit. It must be day ending in Y. This is getting silly now.
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23/12/2020 11:19:26 130 22
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Let’s hope there isn’t one on Christmas morning.
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23/12/2020 11:33:40 10 4
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I bet my xmass pudding on at least 2 brexit HYS, any takers?
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23/12/2020 11:52:09 11 2
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Well for you keep commenting on them of course the BBC are going see the benefit of opening HYS on the topic...
23/12/2020 13:53:33 2 3
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No it's not - just shows what people who are not millionaire lords in Westminster really think.
Oh, It doesn't matter to you does it? What are you, an eighty-four year old english man with no children and a lager habit that starts at dawn and a, frankly repugnant, nostalgia for the exploitation of 'not english' people just so you can sing 'Jerusalem' and pretend 'god' was english. Poor deluded, silly, tiny brexitist 'Antony' - you are so wrong... everything you wished for is a nightmare. Removed
23/12/2020 15:41:00 6 0
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Your choice to be on here love
23/12/2020 16:16:44 1 0
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When it is going so well it is fab.
Strangely no HYS on the Scottish "FM" breaking her own rules though. I wonder why? Surely everything that could be said on Brexit has been said by now but we mustn't upset the ginger dictator must we? Removed
23/12/2020 16:49:45 2 1
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Yet here you are...
23/12/2020 17:18:29 4 0
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It's not compulsory to read, or contribute to, HYS. But since many people do comment on this topic (>5000 to this story so far today), the BBC is just responding to customer demand. If we all stop commenting on Brexit, they might let us comment on something else.
23/12/2020 18:09:29 1 0
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It's enabled your comment though
23/12/2020 19:26:41 0 1
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This is what a wrote 2 weeks ago...

"A deal has already been done, why else remove the threat to break the terms of the existing withdrawal agreement?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54088596

All we are seeing now is a phoney war to make Bozo and the Tories look good, when in reality they will be backing down big time!"
23/12/2020 22:20:32 1 1
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It is starting to look like clickbait suppose it allows the beeb to report back how relevant it
23/12/2020 22:48:27 2 0
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You don't have to contribute, simple.
24/12/2020 00:57:02 0 1
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In 1975, when we were offered a constitutional and democratic confirmatory referendum, with a range of clearly set out political, social and economic aims (look them up) we voted 2/3 to 1/3 to join. As Mr. Farage said on the eve of the referendum "48 to 52 is still unfinished business. 2/3 to 1/3 clinches it". As every social club in the country with a constitution agrees.
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23/12/2020 11:11:35 291 173
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Game of chicken! Only Ursula and Boris can end this! No Deal is fine if not. Merry Christmas all!
You child. Removed
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23/12/2020 11:48:21 6 10
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Merry Brexmas
Thanks to that incompetent, lying, corrupt, idiot Johnson. It not going to be a Merry Christmas for most people. Removed
23/12/2020 12:31:01 21 14
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Sadly its a game of chlorinated chicken, tarrifs, delays, lost jobs, financial services sector moved to Frankfurt, cuts to government services, huge national debt, Landrovers, Bentleys, Minis, and Rolls Royce made in Germany/France anywhere in the EU.
Toughtime for pensioners when the shares all plummet and mass migration of the educated
Yet another one who (amazingly) still fails to understand what his actions have caused. What a muppet!!!
23/12/2020 13:26:43 8 11
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No deal Is fine, have you not seen the chaos in Kent, It will be the same come Jan first, Drivers will not want to come here. Walk with no deal and we will end up with a really bad deal when we are desperate , better to concede a little now rather than a lot further down the line when reality hits home.
Ursula is as corrupt as they come Removed
23/12/2020 15:22:49 5 3
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Yes, of course, the mutton-headed english chant to everything, 'no deal, no problem.' My, you're so cool, so smart, so intelligent. I wish I could be like you - after all, you know... ignorance is bliss... Unfortunately it's only bliss for you. For the rest of us it's a f'd up worst nightmare vision of hell. Still, as long as you and a few deranged, deluded, fartrage sucking dweebs are happy...
23/12/2020 15:24:58 1 3
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Hope you are one if those who lose their jobs and can't get essential medicines for their kids. Merry Christmas.
23/12/2020 15:28:21 1 1
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No they can't Ursula is eye candy, Germany may end it, but only if they can find a suitable large boot to kick Macron up his derrier and get him to withold a veto. The issue is Germany & France, little to do with the UK. Germany wants a deal & won't trample our sovereignty, France's deal will, so they don't want Germany's deal. UK will only accept Germany's deal.
23/12/2020 23:46:34 0 1
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Welcome to the land of the P45 Economics like North Korea
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23/12/2020 11:11:43 15 20
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out boris no deal
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23/12/2020 11:13:40 8 7
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Four words presented in such a way that it demonstrates the problem perfectly.
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23/12/2020 11:12:09 24 30
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Fishing is about 0.02% of the economy. But Johnson knows it pushes all the right buttons in a large subsection of the public. "How dare Johnny Foreigner steal OUR Great British fish!" He likes to think of himself as a new Churchill, but the great man never would've lost the war in order to win a battle. However that's all this generation of Tory can do: regurgitate rubbish from rightwing tabloids.
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23/12/2020 11:14:08 14 9
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Its also a lot to do about the main sticking point of divergence and control having left the EU club. This is the real point of Brexit
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23/12/2020 11:18:04 6 6
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It may be 0.02% of the economy but it is a hell of a weapon in the negotiation i.e. concession has little economic impact on the UK but a devastating impact on EU fishing communities. So its sod all to do with pushing right buttons with "subsections of the public" and everything to do with prodding the arrogant EU in the belly with a sharp stick!
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23/12/2020 11:18:25 4 4
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Cough. It's more important to the EU than us then? There's our bargaining chip then isn't it? There have already been concessions by the EU over this.

It's not rocket science
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23/12/2020 11:13:41 4 5
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£6.6bn and a massive knock on effect for local communities. Not to be sniffed at at all.
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23/12/2020 11:23:57 5 4
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"How dare Johnny Foreigner steal OUR Great British fish!"

Can you explain why it's so unreasonable to want to protect your coastal waters? I'm pretty sure every nation does it.
23/12/2020 13:50:51 1 3
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That didn't at all come across that you are sneering at others...
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23/12/2020 11:12:31 31 41
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No surrender Boris no surrender.
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23/12/2020 11:18:05 30 17
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Grow up.
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23/12/2020 11:12:51 1026 308
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For the EU, this begging for fish is unseemly. And for the UK, 10,000 polluting lorries crossing the Channel daily just so that the British can eat sour strawberries in the middle of winter is an environmental outrage. Tea (tea!) grows not only in Cornwall but also in Lanarkshire - why not lettuce?
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23/12/2020 11:16:25 993 343
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The EU single market actively encourages the unnecessary movement of goods throughout Europe purely for commercial convenience. Which flies in the face of the EU's claimed green credentials. Ho hum.
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23/12/2020 11:23:25 117 48
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Here. Here. We need to eat what's in season, grow more of our own food and preserve it. Bringing in produce sucgh as strawberries, lettuces and grapes all year round is an environmental catastrophe.
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23/12/2020 11:32:25 26 9
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I'm sure they would - and cost a fiver each while polluting the atmosphere due to the need for heating.
All you brexitters, stop blaming French for the mess you stupid ar$eholes created. Why are you begging for the border to open. Removed
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23/12/2020 11:36:29 56 20
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Yes, casting the country into poverty is a way to reduce environmental damage, for sure.
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23/12/2020 11:41:12 16 8
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Well if you don't like - Stick to cabbage, rhubarb and flat fish
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23/12/2020 11:51:10 5 4
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I too have wondered this...
What with modern technology, why on earth can we not create greenhouses that allow producers to artificially create the required climate locally?
Not that I eat that many strawberries!
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23/12/2020 11:54:25 12 5
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Lectuce , Ahh that's due to the common Agricultural Policy !!! Kale in my back garden lovely stuff very healthy too !! Less imports please = less EU TRUCKS STUCK
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23/12/2020 11:56:00 17 1
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At this time of year strawberries come from northern Africa not the EU.
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23/12/2020 11:59:18 16 12
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I'm a bit confused, thought Brexit was about freedom to do bigger, global trade deals? So even greater distances and more environmental impacts. Now Brexiteers seem reduced to telling us what food we should eat - bit nanny state? Or maybe it's just more 'wartime' nostalgia, 'dig for victory' and let's all learn to love woolton pie.
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23/12/2020 12:01:40 5 2
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Bruges has had access to UK fishing since a royal charter from Charles 2nd.
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23/12/2020 12:01:50 8 2
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It would be better to be concerned about the huge amounts of food imported from the far east, Africa and South America if environment is your concern. Lots of things will actually grow in the UK, but which huge swathes of land do you propose to repurpose and at what environmental cost?
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23/12/2020 12:02:05 8 3
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Nice try at reversing the begging thing - its called negotiation - the environment issue is a UK 1 and will still be there - oh n the taste is just your issue. Tea really you going for a trio of the most illinformed eco econimic nonsence - I could grow bannanas too but cant quite cope with the demand. Why cant people understand the Numbers 68m people eat more than there is enough land to farm.
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23/12/2020 12:10:19 4 5
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rest re-assared that no one in France cares about Fishing other than a few Fisherman in Brittany. Now brexiteers have control of UK border same for France. We have control and want nothing from Covid land.
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23/12/2020 12:22:35 4 6
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I see what you are doing there. Opening another front to blame the EU for this whole mess. Nevermind, humiliation is coming.
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23/12/2020 12:23:16 5 2
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Quite agree, also remember how I came back from Spain one year where the local markets had so much in season. Then when I came back to the UK found we are importing oranges from South Africa, or grapes from Chile! Crazy the CO2 miles on produce just to get cheaper and not so fresh produce.
Need some tax on shipping distance.
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23/12/2020 12:23:46 4 0
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lanarkshire Tea.......I think that's a local term for Buckfast....
P.S I live in South Lanarkshire......
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23/12/2020 11:13:26 434 287
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The closing of the French border is a political stunt by Macron & the EU, trying to scare the UK into thinking this is what it will be like. But as we all know the EU send more goods here than we export so it doesn't take much working out to see that they will not do this unless they wish to commit economical suicide. Keep your nerve & walk away if they do not show reason over our waters.
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23/12/2020 11:19:57 299 221
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Economic Suicide? barely an economic stubbed toe to the EU27.
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23/12/2020 11:29:04 38 10
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You fail to see that the economic hit is spread between many countries. The EU economy without UK has expanded by more than they sell to us since 2016. This shows they may take an initial hit but in a few years they won't even notice us gone. On the other hand we would have lost 50% of our export economy.
"Keep your nerve & walk away if they do not show reason over our waters."

Threaten to kill yourself - what a great idea!

If we 'held all the cards' it wouldn't matter what the EU thought.

You appalling old clowns have done unbelievable damage and STILL you trot out self-evident lies
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23/12/2020 11:52:08 13 6
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It was nothing to do with Brexit and all to do with Covid 19 - have you not been following the news?
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23/12/2020 12:24:17 14 3
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Oh dear oh dear. the EU exports 14% of it goods to us - all beit that number is big as EU is a very large place.
We send 46% of our goods to EU. No matter how wealthy you are would you rather loose 14% of your income or 46% of your income?
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23/12/2020 12:26:10 12 3
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Trade between the UK and the EU 27 is 43% of exports and 52% of imports, so about 47% of all UK trade. This is about 18% of EU trade. The likelihood of economic suicide is much more applicable to the UK than the EU.
23/12/2020 12:46:55 10 1
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thought it was about covid, funny that countries in the eu can control their own borders...
Troll. If that's meant to be serious, perhaps you should head back to Witherspoons and sink another fifty pints of disgusting english 'beer' to put you and us out of your feeble-minded misery. Removed
23/12/2020 16:36:52 3 1
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You're ignoring the geographical realities of the EU/UK relationship. Even if tariffs get applied, it would cost more to import many goods from non-EU countries than it would to pay the tariffs, and those imports will continue. That's because our nearest non-EU suppier is a thousand miles away or so.

However, EU countries have 26 neighbours they can buy from to avoid tariffs, rather than from us.
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23/12/2020 16:46:38 2 1
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You still honestly think they need us more than we need them after all this time. Have you learnt nothing in 4 years covering Brexit.
23/12/2020 16:51:51 1 1
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Do you actually believe this drivel? If so , get help!
23/12/2020 16:58:09 1 1
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Haha, please I'm laughing all the way to the bank.....
23/12/2020 17:42:33 1 0
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Heard of financial services?
23/12/2020 18:11:01 1 1
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A political stunt organised moments after the UK government admitted they'd lost control. What?!?
23/12/2020 18:33:37 3 1
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Haha - so little UK needs the huge EU market less that they need us.....dream on fool.
23/12/2020 18:24:52 2 1
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More uneducated delusion.
23/12/2020 18:55:21 2 3
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Many positive replies but also many negative replies from the remoaners. It’s a shame they don’t believe in the UK as much as they do the EU. Just one questions though.....if the EU is the great why are you not living there???
23/12/2020 19:41:00 1 1
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There are dozens of other countries not in the EU shutting out the UK. Why would they do that if it was a stunt?
23/12/2020 21:46:11 1 1
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The EU sells us 8% of their products we sell them over 40% of ours ...now tell me again who's the loser ???
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23/12/2020 22:07:39 1 1
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The logic of this escapes me. Why does it not apply to us?

Oh, I know! We can export our goods somewhere else. But the EU somehow can’t.

That’s it! Of course!

Where is this destination, exactly?
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23/12/2020 11:13:34 21 17
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No deal = barking mad

Deal = making the best of a bad situation

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23/12/2020 11:19:55 3 1
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I agree, but not at any cost. The deal needs to be equitqble and better than WTO.
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23/12/2020 11:20:52 2 3
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No Deal is better than a bad deal. No Deal, No Problem!
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23/12/2020 11:11:43 15 20
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out boris no deal
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23/12/2020 11:13:40 8 7
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Four words presented in such a way that it demonstrates the problem perfectly.
23/12/2020 23:47:54 0 0
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ur wat
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23/12/2020 11:12:09 24 30
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Fishing is about 0.02% of the economy. But Johnson knows it pushes all the right buttons in a large subsection of the public. "How dare Johnny Foreigner steal OUR Great British fish!" He likes to think of himself as a new Churchill, but the great man never would've lost the war in order to win a battle. However that's all this generation of Tory can do: regurgitate rubbish from rightwing tabloids.
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23/12/2020 11:14:08 14 9
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Its also a lot to do about the main sticking point of divergence and control having left the EU club. This is the real point of Brexit
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23/12/2020 11:14:18 13 23
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Thank you Emmanuel Macron. Your actions have just hammered home to Mr Thick, in Downing Street that a no deal scenario can have serious consequences in which despite his fantasy words, he know knows he has no control over.

I salute you.
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23/12/2020 11:17:00 14 1
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You shouldn't really call people Mr Thick when you do not know the difference between now & know.
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23/12/2020 11:17:30 4 2
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You reveal Macron’s true motives, ie bullying!
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23/12/2020 11:14:45 12 16
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Time to ignore the self-serving right wing of the party Johnson and salvage something from this mess – AGREE A DEAL!
Stand up for your country or go and live in nazi eu Removed
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23/12/2020 11:18:30 2 2
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Time to ignore the self-serving federalists in Brussels von der Leyen and salvage something from this mess – AGREE A DEAL!

Why is it always assumed to be the UK that is being unreasonable?
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23/12/2020 11:15:33 2 8
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After the last 3 days of PROJECT REALITY hopefully the gov has woken up from the SLUMBER OF A NO DEAL DELLUSION and is ready to sign the dotted line.

I am sick of the E.U but WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE? Its like cutting an embryo and saying it wont harm you.
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23/12/2020 11:17:42 4 9
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Only a coward would sign like you
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23/12/2020 11:15:34 224 66
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Love the cameos

Vdl looking exasperated

Johnson attempts a stern look, but just appears constipated
Remainers meanwhile suffering from extreme diarrhoea. Literally and verbally. Removed
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The caption actually reads

Vdl: (Pointing) Look. There's the nutter over there

Bojo: (with tears in his eyes) Say that again and I'll cry.
23/12/2020 16:34:46 5 5
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Thing is Vdl appears to have abetter grasp of English than Boris and certainly presents her arguments with at least a modicum of rationality. Barnier has probably taken things as far as he can and now it is down to the grown ups! Problem is our grown up isn't.
23/12/2020 19:49:40 0 0
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Pathetic in your underpants
23/12/2020 23:16:34 2 3
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Well done Boris. We now have a deal. He didn't pussyfoot about like T.May when dealing with the EU.
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23/12/2020 11:16:04 1155 647
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Macron’s internationally unprecedented closure to UK freight is a clear attempt at bullying. It is however counter-productive. The British have historically shown resolve in such circumstances.
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It’s also hurt the poor drivers from the EU trying to get home for Christmas the most.
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23/12/2020 11:28:25 101 84
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Get over yourself. France correctly closed the borders to limit the risk of the new Covid variant spreading. It makes sense. It is mostly European hauliers caught up in this mess not U.K. freight. Britain could have closed its borders earlier this year to France and all other nations but refused to act.
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23/12/2020 11:36:43 49 94
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It to show you lazy brexiters what to come next month. To tell UK we don't need you here, sling your hooks.
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23/12/2020 11:38:36 109 54
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You mean a display of clear decisive leadership and active sovereignty has upset you ?

Oh dear
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23/12/2020 11:39:42 74 9
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It wasn’t just France that closed their borders to us just fyi
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23/12/2020 11:43:02 62 37
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Ever occurred to you that he might have done it because, unlike our government, he might be concerned about our virus mutation which is 70% more contagious? If we had any decency left, we would have voluntarily closed our borders and tried to keep the mutation here! (Borders: remember Vietnam? Under 50 deaths, 2.4% annual economic growth, no loss of civil liberties...plus New Zealand, etc, etc!!!)
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23/12/2020 11:51:28 38 24
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Grow up.
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23/12/2020 12:02:37 11 0
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Yes, whether or not the border closure was as an attempt by Macron to add pressure to the Brexit negotiations (I am not sure, btw), the optics of it look questionable. That said, Hancock was silly to tell the world "the virus is out of control" ...
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23/12/2020 12:14:25 7 6
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along with 50 other nations that stopped flights and travel of all - you have a myopic view when it suits. Ditch the ideology once in a while. Brits - you keep talking tosh - go read some old newspapers to see the facts you refer to - the stoic - yeh right. My mum worked in the war - and told some corkers about the stoic...
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23/12/2020 12:16:33 12 5
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Er No it wasn't unprecendent 40 countries closed their borders to us. But i thought you guys liked countries been able to close borders anyway?... or is that only when it suits you. If so that is ignorant. Merry Christmas
23/12/2020 12:40:20 8 1
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In what way counter-productive? Bashing the British isn't likely to lose him any votes (just like bashing the French won't lose votes here), and he has an election to fight in 2022.
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23/12/2020 12:44:28 7 5
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As ever Xenophobic tripe
23/12/2020 12:44:56 4 5
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Our government are all bullies (remember that recent report on Patel? or Cummings being above the COVID rules?). If they got a bit of their own medicine, no harm.
Macron might have motives different from what you suppose. If a small child goes repeatedly too close to fire and won't listen, maybe he has to burn himself a bit to learn.
A no deal trial run might have focussed BoJo's mind.
Gio
23/12/2020 13:03:48 8 1
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Yet it proves that an EU Member can unilaterally close its borders...

...exactly the thing it was claimed we had to leave to be able to do.
23/12/2020 13:24:59 2 6
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This bullying tactics is typical of France. Why do we always give in to them. It's a case of What's Yours is Mine and what's mine is my own. Stop sleepwalking into a compromise. There is no compromise now as we have been doing it far too long.
23/12/2020 13:28:39 3 3
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This morning I read with some amusement the Daily Fail/Express spin that this is just the French trying to hurt us.... to what end? How feeble we as a nation have become that we're now scared of our own shadow.
23/12/2020 13:31:37 1 1
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Are you applying for a key role in the remake of DUMB AND DUMBER?
you would be a she in.
23/12/2020 13:54:02 1 0
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replace 'resolve' with stupidity or stubbornness in this case
23/12/2020 14:04:16 5 1
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The UK Government declared that a new strain of the virus has been identified and it is 70% More infectious, they say it is spreading out of control and you wonder why the French public health officials (not Macron) closed the Border to travellers “not freight” 75% of the freight is still moving.

The UK resolve has shown itself in terms of crying like spoilt, entitled, self righteous children!
23/12/2020 14:17:11 1 1
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oh deluded brexiteers. IF we'd qurantined incoming flights in february rather than June more of us would be alive mate. Blame the EU with the worst of hard leaver motives. I want NORWAY - what i voted leave for. What Farage and Johnson said was good enough. Until we'd voted
23/12/2020 14:20:26 0 0
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bot
23/12/2020 14:26:11 0 0
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Spot on my friend
23/12/2020 14:29:16 1 0
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So you'd rather France gets hit with the super-spreading Covid ? How does that help the global economy, of which the UK is a part ?
23/12/2020 14:31:04 4 1
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When the British Health Secretary appears on national TV and says the new variant virus is out of control in Kent, what else could France do?
23/12/2020 14:50:01 1 0
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Not this time judging by the behaviour of the drivers at the ports and panic buyers in the stores, not deal brexit will be much much worse....because the UK public have no resolve, none, just hot air and bluster
23/12/2020 14:56:26 2 0
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The vast majority of the lorry drivers caught up in this are not British.
23/12/2020 15:00:29 5 1
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Lol if a more virulent strain was found in France you would be clamoring for Boris to close the ports and keep it out. So no he did the sensible thing. As did the other 50 countries.
23/12/2020 15:01:38 3 2
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Rubbish! It is exactly what Boris would do if the situation were reversed - and the brexiteers, together with the Express, Telegraph and Mail would be heralding him as a patriot...
23/12/2020 15:04:59 4 2
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Blame Hancock. He said the virus was out of control. What would you do if the virus was out of control in France and not in the UK. You would close the border.
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23/12/2020 11:16:09 6 8
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Don’t tell me, walk away, wto now ??

Even with a brief glimpse of what brexit would look like, the usual lot are screaming for chaos!
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23/12/2020 11:12:51 1026 308
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For the EU, this begging for fish is unseemly. And for the UK, 10,000 polluting lorries crossing the Channel daily just so that the British can eat sour strawberries in the middle of winter is an environmental outrage. Tea (tea!) grows not only in Cornwall but also in Lanarkshire - why not lettuce?
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23/12/2020 11:16:25 993 343
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The EU single market actively encourages the unnecessary movement of goods throughout Europe purely for commercial convenience. Which flies in the face of the EU's claimed green credentials. Ho hum.
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23/12/2020 11:26:58 120 119
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No it encourages trade between near neighbours instead of shipping chlorinated chicken across the Atlantic.
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23/12/2020 11:30:33 81 36
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After Bexit "Global Britian" will (it hopes) make "goods" that the world will want. How will it transport them across the world, virtually?
If the EU encourages the movement of food, why is it the French mainly eat local produce, ditto Italians and Spaniards?
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23/12/2020 11:32:45 38 19
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Please do explain.
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23/12/2020 11:34:04 74 28
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Not like us then, wanting more trade with japan, China Australia and the US !
At least with the EU we were close neighbours
228
23/12/2020 11:32:27 46 73
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Dead right. It's called EU hypocrisy.
258
23/12/2020 11:37:21 8 11
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You make an interesting point.
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VoR
23/12/2020 11:48:29 13 4
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You seem to ignore that in most cases, we'll probably end up going further afield for and with goods, rather than produce them domestically.
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SJ
23/12/2020 11:57:03 3 0
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Eh ?
591
23/12/2020 11:59:56 8 3
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So instead, we'll move it across the world.
Get real.
664
23/12/2020 11:56:25 6 8
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The EU is very bad for the environment in general. They have irritating greenwashing virtue signalling policies, but in practice are not good for the planet.
666
23/12/2020 12:04:18 4 5
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No the populace of the UK - cos we have left the EU - demands choice at all times, created by business marketing, retailers etc... oh n people demand it too. So keep bashing your fag paper arguments - they will continue to fall over till you realise its the UKs issues no other nation or trade groups.
716
23/12/2020 12:07:27 7 6
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Complete rubbish. This Country has the worse environmental record in the EU. That is why we don’t want a level playing field on environmental law
753
23/12/2020 12:09:39 5 5
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The Mail, Express and Telegraph readers are out in force today. All papers owned or run by billionaire ex pat who don’t pay any uUK tax and want to see this country as a tax haven
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23/12/2020 12:09:32 3 1
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The same argument could be used for the US single market which is a union of 50 sovereign states. Or the UK single market which is a union of 4 nations.
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23/12/2020 11:12:51 22 21
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Just a simple no thanks, we’re off. Come back when it’s just about trade. We voted to leave in its entirety, just as a vote to remain would’ve have meant in it’s entirety.

The EU are not our friends, which anyone can see by their ludicrous demands.
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23/12/2020 11:24:30 6 8
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We were their friends but we just opted for the messy divorce proceedings. Never ends well. It was our choice to behave as we have.
587
23/12/2020 11:59:32 2 1
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You divorced them and calling them not friends. How stupid are you.
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23/12/2020 11:16:32 2 2
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Negotiations up to 23:00 31/12/2000 happy New year
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23/12/2020 11:16:39 623 328
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Thank you Macron for the Jan 1st practice. Of course Macron was playing politics anyone who doesn't think so must be a remainer
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23/12/2020 11:43:36 480 280
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Anyone who thinks "playing politics" is unusual must be a leaver. Seriously, what do you expect? Leaving the club means being treated as an outsider. Would England do any different if Scotland left the UK? And as for it being practice for January 1st, I guess so, in terms of British officials getting used to being on their knees begging.
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Stu
23/12/2020 11:44:18 11 9
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I'm a "remainer" and I agree with you there.
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23/12/2020 11:51:58 54 8
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50 countries have put in restrictions against entering from the UK and France was not the first.

We did the same to Denmark when their Mink strain was discovered.

Stop altering facts to fit Brexiteer narrative.
711
23/12/2020 12:07:01 20 2
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But this is happening with many countries outside of the EU - are they playing politics? Still, facts and Bre interesting, eh?
731
23/12/2020 12:08:27 22 6
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You must be blind to the BS Johnson and his cronies have been spouting then
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23/12/2020 12:21:54 13 0
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What about the other 40 countries around the world?? Are they all our sworn enemies too! (Except for Russia obviously). Personally i think we seem to have got on brilliantly with our EU neighbour's since Maggie and the UK and EU as a whole become very wealthy. But you must just be me - role on No deal... all the very best for 2021
23/12/2020 12:42:00 4 3
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If Johnson had closed the UK borders when Covid first appeared in Europe and beyond perhaps we would not be in the mess we are now. Common sense not political games!
23/12/2020 12:51:42 3 2
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Politicians are paid for doing politics - in the interest of their citizens and country.
If it is in the interest of France to have a 'Brexit trial run' in order to focus BoJo's mind regarding trade deals, then Macron was simply doing what he had been elected for.
23/12/2020 13:00:11 2 2
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Why wouldn't Macron play politics - he is doing what politicians do - trying to stay in power in France. I don't follow it closely but I recall it was either him or the French National Front to win their last election. Does anyone think the Front Nationale would have left the border open? I doubt it. We might as well get used to it - French fishermen will block the ports next year.
23/12/2020 13:23:36 4 0
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I voted remain but I agree there is definitely an element of politics in Macron's decision. Can we just not have this "you voted differently so you must think this and that makes you bad" attitude. It's not helpful.
Still believe we would have been better remaining, still think the EU isn't an evil dictatorship. Don't think the French government have shown much class in this circumstance. Okay?
23/12/2020 14:09:14 1 2
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Why? You do know trade will just carry on after the 31st Dec don't your? If France or the Eu block it they will fall foul of the WTO and then the UK can sue them..
23/12/2020 14:49:18 0 0
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Yeah... right or anyone else who wants to protect their country from english contamination. Unless you're a Russian and contaminating other people's countries with your evil toxins is a leisurely pastime... Sarin, anyone???
23/12/2020 15:08:36 0 0
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Really? How did Macron get 40 countries around the world to ban our trade shipments?
23/12/2020 15:15:44 0 0
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So you are saying: "Anyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot".
That's idiotic.
23/12/2020 15:23:37 0 0
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He's a politician, what do you expect him to play, Cricket?
23/12/2020 15:40:24 0 0
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In 7 days remaining (hols included) you consider it'll sort the shambles show result of the years of preparation? Boris has 18 months himself, though not much seemed to moved on from Teresa May's days! Use government and motorway grounds to park trucks, with no adequate facilities for 3 days let alone longer. Neat.
23/12/2020 16:00:27 0 0
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Lol! Once the UK is outside the EU, France can do this whenever they want. Welcome to Brexit. No freedom of movement for Brits now.
23/12/2020 17:14:25 0 2
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Of course its political and why not?leavers are pretty dumb with no thought for the future.
23/12/2020 17:29:16 0 0
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Nothing to do with Boris shutting down UK ports with Tire 4 just before Christmas even though he new a week or so ago and could have moderated the Christmas bubbles. Its all or nothing
23/12/2020 17:51:54 0 1
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I think you are right. Macron can see there is a trade deal in the final stages of agreement and that will probably mean his fishermen and women will lose out so this was his attempt at showing the UK what a 'no deal' might mean to cross channel freight delays. I think he has miscalculated as it seems he is being portrayed as the bad guy in this.
23/12/2020 18:08:54 1 0
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Or they're educated and don't read the rubbish that the Daily Express / Daily Mail pump out.
23/12/2020 18:32:20 1 1
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How does France act & speak independently when Brexiters always told us this was impossible? Did they lie to us (again)??
23/12/2020 19:03:59 0 0
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Nonsense. Macron closed the border because of concern about the new coronavirus strain. We have just done exactly the same to South Africa, due to another new strain. So dont complain when we have done exactly the same thing,
23/12/2020 19:13:54 0 0
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India, Canada, Hong Kong and Oman have banned UK arrivals. 42 countries in all.
Claiming that it is all Macron playing politics flies in the face of the evidence.
Not that the way we have handled Brexit has made us many friends. Perhaps we should have thought of that?
23/12/2020 20:23:36 0 0
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So practice shows the extent of the disruption over several days when the supermarkets will have used up their planned advance stocking.
23/12/2020 21:00:25 0 0
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There is no such thing as a remainer. We have left the EU.
23/12/2020 21:46:44 0 0
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*Remoaner
23/12/2020 22:07:10 0 0
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And didn’t it go well... no wait.
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23/12/2020 11:16:43 26 24
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This is not democracy. Macron needs a distraction from his own misgivings and it seems the UK is the perfect scapegoat for all his problems. We should walk away right now and let him face the music. We cannot let ourselves believe it when they say we won’t survive outside their club. They are trying to force us into believing it out of fear!
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23/12/2020 11:27:28 8 2
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Why exactly does the leader of another country need to respect your democratic vote of people in a completely different country again? Surely if you want your sovereignty respected then you need to respect the sovereignty of others
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23/12/2020 11:35:08 0 1
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We are free to leave with no deal! Why you whinging?
23/12/2020 15:28:58 0 2
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Macron is just starting to realise we do hold all the cards.

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23/12/2020 11:16:54 1009 659
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Why does the eu demand we follow their rules after leaving? None of their other trade deals demand that.

Why does the eu demand UK fish when none of their other trade deals do?

Why does the eu demand that the UK cannot be more efficient and better at trade than the eu?

Answers, because the eu knows that the UK will become more prosperous outside their club and they are scared
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23/12/2020 11:19:26 737 346
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Because the rules are the POINT of the single market.

Its like joining a club but not wanting to follow their rules.
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23/12/2020 11:25:26 65 37
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They are worried that we'll become a Signapore on their door step.

You may think that's a great thing, and if you're in the top 1% of the UK then that makes sense.

If you're not, then you should be worried too, and we'll probably not even get the lovely chewing gum free streets. You might be looking forward to the canings as well ;-)
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23/12/2020 11:25:52 87 25
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It’s called regulatory alignment to allow for free access for trade, this has been the case all along and for all countries and is the point of the Eu...
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23/12/2020 11:25:52 104 14
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Every single trade deal EVER has required both sides to follow the same rules. That's what a trade deal is... we will accept your goods if we think they are of equal quality to ours and won't ruin our domestic industries.
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23/12/2020 11:34:35 116 45
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They don't demand. We can leave without but Boris knows that will severely damage UK. Shame you lot understand the impact (and still don't 4 years on) when you cast your nationalist votes. Funny you are now all up in arms at other countries closing borders to us, when that is exactly what you wanted to do to others
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23/12/2020 11:37:20 95 43
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Because the UK wants access to the EU single market which is the biggest trading block in the world, oh and tariff free frictionless movement of goods.
Fish is irrelevant, it's just a govt smokescreen. The result of a Tory NO Deal is going to be catastrophic on so many levels.
Hope you're prepared for higher prices, shortage of goods/panic buying, collapse of Sterling, recession and isolation.
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23/12/2020 11:40:30 15 2
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Yeah, right. A year like 2020 with Johnson 'in charge' and you believe that.
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23/12/2020 11:49:24 48 5
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"Why does the eu demand we follow their rules after leaving? None of their other trade deals demand that."

You dismal, dishonest, clapped out fools literally understand not a single word of what is happening.

Sell into the single market, abide by its rules.

We will specify exactly the same.

Its unbelievable you still don't graaps even tiny basic facts
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23/12/2020 11:56:53 3 17
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Not just that they are frightened that we will make a success of leaving and other members will follow in our footsteps potentially breaking up the eu.
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23/12/2020 12:01:31 19 2
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It doesn't. The rules are for the single market. In exchange for free access (no quota, no tariff), the EU is asking the UK to follow the same rules as everyone else
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23/12/2020 12:02:08 10 4
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Fish don’t have passports or nationalities so are not ‘’UKfish’.
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23/12/2020 12:04:10 13 0
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In the common fisheries policy, fisherman are allowed to trade quotas with each other. Many British fishermen sold their quotas to fishermen from other European countries. The disagreement is about how quickly, these quotas are confiscated from the fishermen who bought them and reallocated to British fishermen. The EU wants a slower transition than the UK to give everyone more time to adjust.
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23/12/2020 12:05:42 21 3
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1) because we want unlimited access to the SM and compete on most products. The total volume of UK-EU trade is £700bn.
2) because their fishing industry has been fishing in U.K. waters for centuries and we sell most of our catch into the SM. 12% of UK catch is from EU waters.
3) The EU is fine with greater efficiency - it dislikes cheating with lower standards.

Got it now?
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23/12/2020 12:10:42 7 2
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Wrong - both Norway and Switzerland have tariff-free access to the EU single market which include them adopting EU rules and standards (without being able to set those rules and standards). EU does not demand that any country cannot be more 'efficient'. 'State Aid' rules are about preventing artificial state subsidies propping-up inefficient producers (we tried that in the 70s)
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23/12/2020 12:10:47 9 1
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The demand that the UK be less efficient at trade is coming from the UK. The prosperity we have enjoyed as an EU member comes from belonging to the largest free market in the world. It's a win-win for all members, which is why so many more countries wish to join. Erecting barriers to free trade creates inefficiency, that's why we will lose 5-7% of GDP when we leave the single market.
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23/12/2020 12:16:58 8 1
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Because the UK is asking for tariff-free and quota-free access to the single market. No other country has that.
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23/12/2020 12:18:34 8 2
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For the damage the UK fishing industry (0.1% of GDP) is doing to the UK economy I think we should boycott British fish. The service, financial, aerospace and automobile industries far more important (if not vital to UK!). As always it is the minority pulling the strings on ignorant nationalists.
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23/12/2020 12:20:56 9 4
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Really simple, if the UK wants to sell into the SIngle Market it follows EU rules, if not fine, UK manufactures flee to tariff free EU countries, UK fish rots on UK docks and the UK economy slowly sinks below the waves.

THe choice is all ours but we don't hold any cards, the German car industry is not coming to our rescue - welcome to chapter 1 of life as a small country!
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23/12/2020 12:28:24 2 7
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Absolutely correct!
Plus the fact that Macron in particular wants to show the French Nationalists that leaving the EU is very painful.
It's like locking up your own citizens if they ask for freedom.
23/12/2020 12:33:04 2 1
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The actual answer to the fishing problem is to make sure that all UK water catches are landed in UK for monitoring and processing and then export to the eu according to agreed quotas we then have control over amount fishing by eu.Macron then has to keep the borders open for the fishing industry and this thrives but is controlled / monitored for stock/species preservation thankyou and good night
23/12/2020 12:43:02 3 0
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Correct answers:

1 - Why on earth would the EU want to give us a competitive advantage over member states? They'd be mad to do that.

2 - Because we sold our fish quotas to them. When you buy something, why should you be expected to hand it back for free?

3 - It doesn't - it just asks that the same trade rules apply to all parties. That's normal.
23/12/2020 12:47:11 3 0
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All the EU's trade partners follow their rules as do the rules we are now imposing on the likes of Ghana who are really fed up with us. As a business you need customers and the EU's 450 million is the biggest and richest consumer market in the world
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23/12/2020 11:16:54 6 10
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Just like everything else, just waiting on Johnson's last minute U-turn, either to extend the deadline or accept the deal.

Either would be better than the stupidity of no-deal.

It is not down to the EU to capitulate, they are offering what they can without damaging their own fishing industries and the single market.

Johnson is just being petulant demanding more.
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23/12/2020 11:21:23 3 2
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It's probably best to call them J(ohnson) Turns.

A J-Turn achieves the same end result as a U-Turn, but are faster and more dangerous, often producing tyre smoke, obscuring what's just happening/happened.
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23/12/2020 11:14:18 13 23
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Thank you Emmanuel Macron. Your actions have just hammered home to Mr Thick, in Downing Street that a no deal scenario can have serious consequences in which despite his fantasy words, he know knows he has no control over.

I salute you.
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23/12/2020 11:17:00 14 1
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You shouldn't really call people Mr Thick when you do not know the difference between now & know.
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23/12/2020 11:17:11 10 16
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Boris of the UK v Von de Leyen President of the EU. How did the common market evolve into the united states of Europe that evercises so much centralised control over its member states? Even though we are leaving, they still want our waters. And they are worried that on our own we might actually compete with them. So long de Leyen, Bye Bye Barnier, Auf Wiedersehen Merkel, au revoir Macron!
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23/12/2020 11:28:34 4 1
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Don't forget, UK also wants something from EU doesn't it? Give and take...
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23/12/2020 11:32:49 1 1
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I actually think Boris is of the RU judging by the mess he has made of Brexit and Covid. More damaging to UK than a Nuke that man.
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23/12/2020 11:17:28 736 252
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If Boris backs down to the EU's unreasonable demands, it will be the end of him and the Tory party.
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23/12/2020 11:19:25 778 215
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I do hope you are right
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23/12/2020 11:21:45 60 10
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One can only hope
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23/12/2020 11:23:01 69 15
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The Tory party ended when they called the referendum and then invoked Article 50 before we were ready. It's just been an inevitable slow train crash since then.
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23/12/2020 11:40:47 28 10
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It is already end of this $hit administration
I wish -- A more irrisponsible bunch (led by crooks) I could not imagine. Removed
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23/12/2020 11:43:55 36 8
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Can you name one - one? - "unreasonable" demand?
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23/12/2020 11:45:07 35 15
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If he comes away with no deal it will be the end of him. Contrary to the claims of the extreme brexiteers this will harm us all.
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23/12/2020 11:55:11 44 4
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Johnson's days have been numbered since Cons put him in place at an 'awkard' moment. They dislike him too and he'll be gone as soon as he can take all the blame for the massive mess he's created and mismanaged. They'll rebuild by next GE but have real competition next time. Any sane country needs a centerist government of intelligent people, whatever banner they campaign under. Gove a concern!
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23/12/2020 12:05:33 10 18
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Sadly I agree. Heath started this insanity way back by lying to the British public about the European project. Federalism was always the end game.
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23/12/2020 12:09:37 22 6
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What is “unreasonable” about expecting market participants to play by the same rules? Unless you believed all the UKIP cakeism and Tories claiming that we hold all the cards?
23/12/2020 12:32:27 20 5
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Given his performance thus far, his credibility is already in the toilet, along with the rest of his clown show cabinet. He's already finished. He was finished the moment he took on the job, because he's a basic idiot. A fool. A joke.
23/12/2020 12:48:26 8 2
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I think he has already managed that without Brexit.
If Boris fails to get a good deal and destroys the Union it will be the end of the United Kingdom, Boris and the Tory party, all due to the uneducated actions of British Brexiters
23/12/2020 13:20:31 6 1
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Fingers crossed
23/12/2020 13:23:19 6 1
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Unfortunaltely it won't, if the last 4 years has taught us anything it is that there are a lot of people who are incapable of critical thinking, simply latching on to any outrageous statements peddled by people such as Boris.

They will be told the failure of Brexcit to deliver is the fault of Remainers, EU, France, Germany etc. and they'll simply lap it all up, with no thought to the facts.
23/12/2020 13:32:40 6 0
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Define “unreasonable “.
I suggest you won’t even know where to start.
ds
23/12/2020 13:38:00 6 1
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But the EU are not making unreasonable demands, unlike Johnson, Frost and co.
23/12/2020 13:51:30 5 0
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And if there is No Deal chaos it will be the end of him and the Tory party.
What a dilemma! Could not happen to a nicer bunch....!
23/12/2020 13:56:24 5 0
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They are not unreasonable. But what ever deal he comes back with you and all the rest of Tory central office will say he won when he will have lost.
23/12/2020 14:10:30 3 0
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We can only hope.
23/12/2020 14:23:09 4 2
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Brexit will be the beginning of the end for the Tory party. The ERG are hard right and don't care one jot for the average UK citizen and if the Tory party wants to pretend to care about the mass of the population they will have to be jettisoned or take a 'principled' stand over whatever deal Johnson gets and walk.
23/12/2020 14:25:45 4 0
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He will back down, announce that he's won and .....sadly....won't go away.
23/12/2020 14:27:05 4 0
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Let us hope the idiot backs down in that case.
23/12/2020 14:42:06 1 0
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Promise?
23/12/2020 14:49:54 2 0
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If Boris doesnt back down then this could be a massive blow to our workers and consumer rights, which comes under the Level playing field part of the negotiation, which, seems to have got lost (conviently) with all the talk being about fish.
23/12/2020 14:58:21 3 1
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'Unreasonable demands'.. my english friends' monkey's butts... The EU has been way more than reasonable... it's the english that are destroying the former 'U'K. And if it's the end of 'him' ( by which I presume you mean the least satisfactory BJ in human history) If it's the end of him and the Gory party then Good Riddance. They've done more damage in the past 20 years than Suez and Iraq squared.
23/12/2020 15:32:41 3 1
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If he doesn't and we leave with no deal, it'll be the end of him and the Tory party.

Really, Johnson has painted the Tory party into a corner. Brexit will prove to be such a disaster, they could be out of power for a generation.
23/12/2020 15:44:20 0 0
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And put up with blockade in Dover
Yipee, here comes Steptoe to fill the gap. Removed
23/12/2020 16:13:39 0 1
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Boris back down..........no chance.
BD
23/12/2020 16:16:46 3 0
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And the downside is?
23/12/2020 16:19:00 3 0
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think it's the end of the tory party regardless of what happens.
23/12/2020 16:28:10 2 0
bbc
In which case I hope he backs down.
23/12/2020 16:30:33 3 0
bbc
Already a dead man walking.
23/12/2020 16:31:50 4 0
bbc
he's already finished regardless - look what happened to Churchill after WW2 hero or not he was unceremoniously booted out, people will only put up with so much before seeking a change - justified or not
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23/12/2020 11:14:18 13 23
bbc
Thank you Emmanuel Macron. Your actions have just hammered home to Mr Thick, in Downing Street that a no deal scenario can have serious consequences in which despite his fantasy words, he know knows he has no control over.

I salute you.
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Uzz
23/12/2020 11:17:30 4 2
bbc
You reveal Macron’s true motives, ie bullying!
30
23/12/2020 11:17:33 6 8
bbc
Lets hope the looie inNumber 10 can see sense and make a brino deal that serves the country well, even if it doesnt serve his party
31
23/12/2020 11:17:40 8 12
bbc
Walk away Boris..
They will not give anything and are waiting for you to crack..
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23/12/2020 11:18:56 6 5
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He cracked long long ago.
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23/12/2020 11:31:16 4 1
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Why haven't we walked already - you guys said no deal was the ideal?
15
23/12/2020 11:15:33 2 8
bbc
After the last 3 days of PROJECT REALITY hopefully the gov has woken up from the SLUMBER OF A NO DEAL DELLUSION and is ready to sign the dotted line.

I am sick of the E.U but WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE? Its like cutting an embryo and saying it wont harm you.
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23/12/2020 11:17:42 4 9
bbc
Only a coward would sign like you
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23/12/2020 11:17:45 27 30
bbc
Surely in the circumstances it would be in everyone's best interests to postpone Brexit until we've got Covid under control, especially now we've got this new variant? We've had 4.5 years since Brexit - another 0.5 years should be enough for the vaccine to work. Then we can sit down together and thrash Brexit out properly.
Or you could just go and live in nazi eu and leave

The su will never do a deal only dictate even a eunluvvie idiot like you knows that
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23/12/2020 11:19:44 6 6
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No no and no.
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23/12/2020 11:24:32 7 3
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Do you honestly believe that or do you think it would buy time to weaken our position?
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23/12/2020 11:27:27 3 4
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Too sensible for Brexiters,they want to mess everything up and they want it now,no time for pragmatism & common sense,just "get us out" & "walk away" just so they can stick it to the EU and say they won something,although what they're going to win has yet to be defined.
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23/12/2020 11:28:05 4 4
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Forgive me for being a little cynical, but I'm sure you'd find another straw to clutch at once the vaccine has been rolled out.
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23/12/2020 11:29:24 2 2
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What ever we do, let’s not delay it.

Truth is that if there was some compromise on either side we’d be 5 minutes away from a deal.

If we agree a deal, and that deal extends the transition for say one month to smooth the implementation then that’s fine - but we can’t keep kicking the can down the road.
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23/12/2020 11:34:20 1 1
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Yep, that would be the 'least worst' option (maybe a couple of years though). However we have a single issue government by incompetence in charge and 25% of the population still cheering them on.
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23/12/2020 11:17:49 14 11
bbc
Three word slogan time.

"Boris Blinked Again."
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23/12/2020 11:40:34 3 2
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The EU have a much stronger negotiating position than we do, so I expect that Johnson will indeed blink, but will try to dress it up as a triumph. The Brexiters will swallow the lie, and it will be the best achievable outcome for the UK.
Keep Going Boris you can do it! We are made of better stuff than those Frenchie’s, all that seeking and hiding has made them dizzy, if they looked in heaven it was the wrong place, It is Hell that greets those that spurn the British. Long Live the Queen Removed
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23/12/2020 11:30:34 0 1
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Lay off the mulled wine. Its not even midday yet.
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23/12/2020 11:12:09 24 30
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Fishing is about 0.02% of the economy. But Johnson knows it pushes all the right buttons in a large subsection of the public. "How dare Johnny Foreigner steal OUR Great British fish!" He likes to think of himself as a new Churchill, but the great man never would've lost the war in order to win a battle. However that's all this generation of Tory can do: regurgitate rubbish from rightwing tabloids.
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23/12/2020 11:18:04 6 6
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It may be 0.02% of the economy but it is a hell of a weapon in the negotiation i.e. concession has little economic impact on the UK but a devastating impact on EU fishing communities. So its sod all to do with pushing right buttons with "subsections of the public" and everything to do with prodding the arrogant EU in the belly with a sharp stick!
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23/12/2020 11:12:31 31 41
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No surrender Boris no surrender.
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23/12/2020 11:18:05 30 17
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Grow up.
23/12/2020 17:20:43 2 1
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Chill out.
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Gez
23/12/2020 11:14:45 12 16
bbc
Time to ignore the self-serving right wing of the party Johnson and salvage something from this mess – AGREE A DEAL!
Stand up for your country or go and live in nazi eu Removed
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23/12/2020 11:28:05 0 1
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What bullshit you talk.
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23/12/2020 11:18:13 1225 340
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But... No deal... WTO... EU bad... Sovereignty...

If no deal is so good, why are we still at the table?
Because Johnson is an idiot Removed
And why do HYS Brexiteers repeatedly snivel about being "punished" or "bullied" into no deal, if no deal is what they think is the best outcome?
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23/12/2020 11:42:36 153 182
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The government never said that no deal was better than a good deal, but it is certainly better than a bad deal.

But I am sure you knew the answer to your Remainer question before you asked it.
548
23/12/2020 11:57:36 10 8
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Equally, why are they?
558
23/12/2020 11:58:10 85 50
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No one has said no deal is better than a deal, all they have said is we would still be OK with No deal.
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23/12/2020 11:58:54 55 101
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Because the germans want a deal and as the owners of the EU they deserve it??
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23/12/2020 12:23:46 39 54
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Because a good deal with the EU is the ideal outcome. But if a decent deal is not possible, then WTO will be perfectly satisfactory.
Do you really not understand this?
WM
23/12/2020 12:34:30 12 13
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Clearly more is being said. Until it's exhausted then it's right to carry on talking and it's not an unexpected turn of events. Besides if the door was slammed earlier it would give the remainers more to remoan about. No one is saying that a no deal (present company accepted) is so bad and it's in both parties interests to continue to find common ground.
23/12/2020 12:58:55 3 3
bbc
Why indeed David?
Let's just go!
23/12/2020 13:00:10 10 19
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We are still at the table because to finish talks before Dec 31 would result in a massive blame-fest from the Remain-supporting media and politicians.
23/12/2020 13:33:54 1 3
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'cause Johnson wants his dinner - on 150k+ per year he can't afford the sugar tax.
23/12/2020 13:41:07 9 8
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Good deal is better than no deal is better than bad deal.

EU are trying for bad deal for UK, where the French, Spaniards et al can continue to fish out UK waters in perpetuity, and where they set the rules of the so-called level playing field, where the referee of the playing field are their officials and the "arbitrator for disputes" is their independent (in theory, not in practice) court.
23/12/2020 13:45:38 0 2
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Bondage! :)
23/12/2020 13:51:17 1 3
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Is that a serious question ...aaaaah I get it school holidays you worry about your exams next year leave the grown ups to do the rest ..
23/12/2020 13:52:49 6 0
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Because a deal would benefit on both sides, but it takes two sides to agree a deal.
Ian
23/12/2020 13:56:35 11 5
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The guy is an incompetent idiot ?? and a liar.

Shame on you if you voted this in. A vote for Johnson is a vote to destroy the UK.
23/12/2020 14:04:33 3 3
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Why have n't the EU just walked away NO DEAL. France will become muppets of Germany
KAR
23/12/2020 14:06:22 1 0
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If you understand all this things than you should not make this comment ??
23/12/2020 14:18:43 4 3
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Fair point, but no deal will not be a disaster. It will force us to produce more at home.
AMc
23/12/2020 14:18:50 7 8
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No deal is not the best solution. Of course a deal that is reasonable and respects the sovereignty of the United Kingdom is more welcome, IF that is not forthcoming then it's a No Deal.

We should have left 4 years ago on no deal / baggage free and spent the last 4 years building up from there and both sides would have been in a much better situation.

But Remoaners put pay to that I'm afraid.
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23/12/2020 11:18:19 7 6
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never doubt johnson will give in.
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23/12/2020 11:22:55 4 3
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Yes but he will claim he won.
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23/12/2020 11:18:24 7 8
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Asked....whether there was a link between Emmanuel Macron's action to shut the border with France and the Brexit negotiations, Mr Jenrick said: "I hope not".

Maybe not, but I think that the decision to send the Royal Navy gunships to protect UK fishing water didn't help much.
As France closes the borders, Boris has been reminded of where he can stick his warships.
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23/12/2020 11:22:59 5 3
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So you think that patrolling our waters with gunboats is a bad move! How about sending fighters to intercept Russian aircraft invading our airspace? Would you be happy for any Tom Dick or Harry to come into your garden and dig up your spuds?
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23/12/2020 11:29:12 0 2
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Oh sorry VoiceInTheDessert, the reason they closed entry to us (as did over 40 other nations around the globe at same time) is because of a new strain of Covid detected here and spreading like wild fire. Not like you guys to misinterpret information!?
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23/12/2020 11:12:09 24 30
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Fishing is about 0.02% of the economy. But Johnson knows it pushes all the right buttons in a large subsection of the public. "How dare Johnny Foreigner steal OUR Great British fish!" He likes to think of himself as a new Churchill, but the great man never would've lost the war in order to win a battle. However that's all this generation of Tory can do: regurgitate rubbish from rightwing tabloids.
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23/12/2020 11:18:25 4 4
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Cough. It's more important to the EU than us then? There's our bargaining chip then isn't it? There have already been concessions by the EU over this.

It's not rocket science
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Gez
23/12/2020 11:14:45 12 16
bbc
Time to ignore the self-serving right wing of the party Johnson and salvage something from this mess – AGREE A DEAL!
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23/12/2020 11:18:30 2 2
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Time to ignore the self-serving federalists in Brussels von der Leyen and salvage something from this mess – AGREE A DEAL!

Why is it always assumed to be the UK that is being unreasonable?
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CEP
23/12/2020 11:18:32 0 1
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I'm sure both sides are making their last cast to see what they can catch from the others sides nets
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23/12/2020 11:18:47 19 20
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The issues at Dover finally waking up the British brain dead about what Brexit actually means to them. Let it be painful. They need to learn.
And you can always live in nazi eu Removed
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23/12/2020 11:35:14 0 2
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And what you need... is to stop moaning.
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23/12/2020 11:39:57 2 0
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As a remainer, I 'm lovin it
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23/12/2020 11:41:57 0 2
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Seems to me that the EU nationals are being impacted more at the moment! As for the "Brain dead" have you looked into the mirror today?
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23/12/2020 11:17:40 8 12
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Walk away Boris..
They will not give anything and are waiting for you to crack..
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23/12/2020 11:18:56 6 5
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He cracked long long ago.
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23/12/2020 12:06:23 0 0
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?
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23/12/2020 11:18:57 8 18
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Boris is going to surrender - if he does, he will not be forgiven.
French using Covid to turn the screw - shame they did not keep their borders closed in 1940
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23/12/2020 11:20:25 2 1
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Just lucky we had the English Channel in reality.
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23/12/2020 11:21:59 1 2
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I voted leave to end FoM to allow the Tories to bring in a legal cap on immigration of 100k a year as promised in 3 of the last 4 Tory manifestos. If they do not do so next year then they have not delivered the Brexit I voted for.
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23/12/2020 11:25:18 1 2
bbc
Another Little Englander dreaming of 1940.
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23/12/2020 11:27:18 1 2
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So so funny Brexiteers going nuts about secure borders when that was the basis of your votes in the first place. These nationalists are so ignorant.
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23/12/2020 11:43:11 0 0
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You don't see yourself as part of the problem, do you?
23/12/2020 16:50:25 0 1
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Yet another reference to Second World War. Go home and polish your Spitfire .
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23/12/2020 11:18:57 20 17
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They went to school togheter so she knows him inside out . How lazy, feckless and incompetent he is. She holds all the aces up in her sleeve. Poor Britons. Managed by a manager that will relegate them to a second division and cannot do anything about it. FC Sickman 2.0
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23/12/2020 11:33:39 4 3
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Whereas she did a fantastic job as German Defence Minister. If you thought Boris was bad Google her.
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23/12/2020 11:17:28 736 252
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If Boris backs down to the EU's unreasonable demands, it will be the end of him and the Tory party.
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23/12/2020 11:19:25 778 215
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I do hope you are right
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23/12/2020 11:27:32 14 10
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Be careful what you wish for.
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23/12/2020 11:45:10 18 33
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Definitely. If only we had Corbyn in power, along with his team of McDonnell and Abbot, what a great situation we would be in now!
He won't though. He has cajones unlike Starmer and his Remainer bedwetters Removed
23/12/2020 13:06:14 5 13
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Great - Captain hindsight with splinters in his backside from the fence he never leaves. Flip flop Starmer? no thanks
23/12/2020 13:56:38 0 1
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But it would be replaced by the Labour party
23/12/2020 14:30:18 0 0
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I don't think he is steve, sorry hun
23/12/2020 15:01:48 2 0
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Cannot happen quick enkugh
23/12/2020 15:15:47 1 0
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Beware of what you wish for, Farage might end up PM, as the lib-dems won't be in the running and as yet no one knows what Labour is on about
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23/12/2020 11:16:54 1009 659
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Why does the eu demand we follow their rules after leaving? None of their other trade deals demand that.

Why does the eu demand UK fish when none of their other trade deals do?

Why does the eu demand that the UK cannot be more efficient and better at trade than the eu?

Answers, because the eu knows that the UK will become more prosperous outside their club and they are scared
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23/12/2020 11:19:26 737 346
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Because the rules are the POINT of the single market.

Its like joining a club but not wanting to follow their rules.
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23/12/2020 11:23:29 37 47
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It the UK left the club and the eu says it’s hotel California
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23/12/2020 11:22:34 39 105
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Yeah, but we’ve left so the rules don’t apply any more. Quite simple really.
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23/12/2020 11:27:21 62 49
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But we are not joining the single market. We are not joining the club. That is the point.
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23/12/2020 11:34:47 64 52
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And do the French and Germans always follow the rules? Get wise!
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23/12/2020 11:40:00 50 66
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But this club wants us to pay a long term subscription even though we are no longer members.
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23/12/2020 11:40:35 15 3
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The UK left the single market when it left the EU almost a year ago. The single market and free trade are different things.
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23/12/2020 11:43:29 10 43
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No it is not. We do not want anything but normal access just like the Canada deal. The eu rubbish about their single market, everyone has acess to it. We want nothing to do with theis tacky club.
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23/12/2020 11:46:02 16 31
bbc
If the club had listened to concerns and reformed it's rules the EU wouldn't be in this position would it. This is a rubbish club with an exorbitant membership fee that dances to a Franco-German tune. Good luck to the remaining 26.
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23/12/2020 11:47:16 28 6
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It you don't follow their rules, the new blue wall will get paid 29p/hour to stich garments in these areas for export to EU. The real brexit losers are the bottom 95% who voted for it. Top 5% just setup shop in sunny upland far away from these shores. The cream has already left ie. Ratcliff, Dyson, Farage etc.
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23/12/2020 11:57:32 6 0
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another one who just regurgitates the usual waffle without reading the original post.
answer the points put first.
they asked some interesting questions
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23/12/2020 12:00:46 6 10
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The EU has trade agreements with other countries that don't have to follow all their rules.
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23/12/2020 12:04:01 2 1
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Regulatory alignment is the point, not following the same rules.

Bearing in mind that we ALREADY meet or exceed those 'requirements' and a backwards turn is somewhat unlikely, then such analogies are a little obtuse.

And what has 'trade' got to do with information sharing via security services and being bound to EMA regulatory practices with regards to medicines?
They're never mentioned!
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23/12/2020 12:15:32 2 6
bbc
But we are leaving the club, so why do we have to continue to follow their rules?
23/12/2020 12:31:32 2 0
bbc
Trade agreement rules are based on your products meeting their standards, not how you create the products in the first place.
Do EU ask Japan or Canada to have same workers rights? If this was the case why would anyone trade with China?
23/12/2020 12:44:57 0 0
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Bur we’ve left.
PB
23/12/2020 12:46:10 3 1
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They know all this but choose to ignore it, the main architect if Single Market rules was Thatcher.
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23/12/2020 11:10:54 308 83
bbc
Oh another have your say on Brexit. It must be day ending in Y. This is getting silly now.
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23/12/2020 11:19:26 130 22
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Let’s hope there isn’t one on Christmas morning.
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23/12/2020 11:29:04 7 3
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There will be!
23/12/2020 12:36:41 8 3
bbc
It would be preferable to watching the inevitable cavalcade of crap on TV.
23/12/2020 12:58:11 6 1
bbc
Why not what else is there to do?
23/12/2020 14:13:26 4 0
bbc
Who cares if there is?
What we should be hoping for is something better to do than read it.
23/12/2020 14:25:26 1 0
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“Let’s hope there isn’t one on Christmas morning.”

In my 5 years on HYS there has never been a news one on a bank holiday

Until CV19, it was very rare to see one on Sunday. I think it happened only once, when the withdrawal bill was agreed

Still times have changed and the new software needs less nursemaiding by the staff who are all WFH so who knows?
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23/12/2020 11:10:50 1085 639
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I’m sure if Macron wasn’t involved an agreement would be been sorted a long time ago

His childish antics in recent days at the borders has shown his true character.

AKA -his frail attempt to have a go at the UK for not agreeing to his ridiculous terms
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RM
23/12/2020 11:19:27 1208 1199
bbc
Blame Brexiteers for Brexit mess and not everyone else.
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23/12/2020 11:23:44 114 120
bbc
Come on now, that would mean brexiteers would have to accept some sort of personal responsibility for their actions but we know most are incapable of this.

Own your mess
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23/12/2020 11:25:26 55 81
bbc
You’re the type of person that would blame the victim for being shot rather than the killer. Closing off borders for stating the truth about a virus being out of control for months and we are the ones being sidelined. If they don’t need to sell us food then we don’t need to share scientific data. Each to their own. Just remember, they fired the first shot!
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23/12/2020 11:27:35 60 31
bbc
A big ask. For many of them the EU were the original conspiracy. One day they will find a new one, but the owning it here and now thing- they'd sooner say nothing.
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23/12/2020 11:34:40 23 30
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You can’t let it go can you? It’s people like you who are too inept to see that we can survive (and go on to prosper) outside the EU who undermine our negotiating position.
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23/12/2020 11:38:34 8 11
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Blame Brexit and nothing else for Covid and the bad weather.
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23/12/2020 11:39:08 11 14
bbc
And if Brexit leads to prosperity then you'll be just as quick to thank the Brexiteers?
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23/12/2020 11:43:46 11 15
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Should have accepted May's BRINO shouldn't you rather than try to undermine democracy in this country. Remainers have got what they most feared, completely deserve, and made Leavers very very happy. Happy Brexmas
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23/12/2020 11:58:21 5 2
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You forgot to say 'own it'.

Come on, surely you know all the pertinent arguments and witty put downs by now.

Jeez, it's like people aren't even trying anymore.
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23/12/2020 12:00:16 3 4
bbc
Well you could blame democracy. Perhaps you would prefer totalitarianism as a means of controlling people?
23/12/2020 12:28:29 4 5
bbc
Your point is irrelevant, for your argument he could equally blame those for signing up to Maastricth treaty or calling the stupid vote in the first place. Etc etc.

His point is solely on the deal and I actually agree, Macron is the major stumbling block and without him I believe a deal would have been done.
23/12/2020 12:31:32 2 2
bbc
Your clearly insane
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23/12/2020 11:12:09 24 30
bbc
Fishing is about 0.02% of the economy. But Johnson knows it pushes all the right buttons in a large subsection of the public. "How dare Johnny Foreigner steal OUR Great British fish!" He likes to think of himself as a new Churchill, but the great man never would've lost the war in order to win a battle. However that's all this generation of Tory can do: regurgitate rubbish from rightwing tabloids.
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23/12/2020 11:13:41 4 5
bbc
£6.6bn and a massive knock on effect for local communities. Not to be sniffed at at all.
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23/12/2020 11:14:28 18 19
bbc
The ones still bleating on need to grow up and accept the fact that we left the E.U.
No amount of posts will make us suddenly re-join

No amount of posts will change the fact Boris is in charge.

No amount of posts will make Boris responsible for the new strain of the virus
In all over Europe.

Time to grow up
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23/12/2020 11:22:43 14 11
bbc
And no amount of polishing will make this turd shine.
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23/12/2020 11:26:23 3 2
bbc
They aren't bleating. We done a deal 2 years ago but Boris moved the goal posts (globally regarded as poor form).
EU is doing what is was designed to do - look after EU members - we left.
They aren't here to hold our hand. I am very surprised you didnt realise that very basic point before you voted and now seem shocked.
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23/12/2020 11:51:47 2 1
bbc
Time for you to stop making childish playground level comments and come up with constructive solutions. leaving the EU may make you feel good for a few days but you brexiteers need to urgently find ways to put food on the table for everyone. You can't eat "sovereignty" it doesn't pay you. You voted for it, just get it sorted. Now.
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23/12/2020 11:19:32 10 9
bbc
We will have a deal that effectively is no different to the previous deal to 98% of the population. 1% will be severely hampered by it and 1% will make millions. I wonder who the latter group will comprise of?
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23/12/2020 11:23:17 8 4
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I think you will find a little more than 1% of the population work in the finance, service, aerospace and automobile industry (which are our key industries) which is negatively effected. The 1% who will make millions is probably more like 0.1% - most will be chums with Boris.
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23/12/2020 11:19:40 11 19
bbc
Europe tried this sort of stunt before, a Europe united under a different regime. Didn't work out to well for them, and they didn't starve us into submission.
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23/12/2020 11:20:31 6 2
bbc
Yup, all of this is the fault of the EU...
71
23/12/2020 11:20:40 4 1
bbc
Except we are the nationalists now...
83
23/12/2020 11:21:38 5 1
bbc
They they they. Everyone is against you eh?
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bds
23/12/2020 11:22:41 3 1
bbc
Totally different scenario. Chalk and cheese.
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23/12/2020 11:30:30 1 2
bbc
This is the sort of infantile xenophobia promoted by Leavers. The 'submission'/'surrender' narrative is beyond childish. And we wonder why we can't force the EU into accepting our terms.
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23/12/2020 11:32:33 1 2
bbc
OMG another member of the Little England brigade dreaming of 1940 all over again. Grow up mate.
23/12/2020 16:53:49 0 0
bbc
Here we go again - they don’t like it up ‘em , Vera Lynn , cowardly French, dastardly Germans, stiff upper lip. Try and drag yourself into the 21st century.
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23/12/2020 11:19:43 6 12
bbc
At least with no deal we know where we stand and can start rebuilding the industry, fishing etc that was decimated when we first joined. De Gaulle was right 'Non'
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23/12/2020 11:21:07 2 2
bbc
Again with the fish.
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23/12/2020 11:24:09 2 1
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You forgot to mention all those trawler owners who sold their quotas to the mainland European countries. Or is that just inconvenient?
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23/12/2020 11:27:17 2 1
bbc
?????????????? ... yeah ... rebuild ???????????????? tories only ever destroy industry....???????????? .....
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23/12/2020 11:38:59 1 0
bbc
Do you realise the fishing industry in the counts for less than 0.1 % of GDP.
As our main trading partners are the EU.
Come back to the land of the living.
23/12/2020 16:56:36 0 0
bbc
This the industry that sold most of our fish quotas to those dam Europeans?
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23/12/2020 11:17:45 27 30
bbc
Surely in the circumstances it would be in everyone's best interests to postpone Brexit until we've got Covid under control, especially now we've got this new variant? We've had 4.5 years since Brexit - another 0.5 years should be enough for the vaccine to work. Then we can sit down together and thrash Brexit out properly.
Or you could just go and live in nazi eu and leave

The su will never do a deal only dictate even a eunluvvie idiot like you knows that
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23/12/2020 11:28:37 1 2
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You're mad Fam!
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23/12/2020 11:13:34 21 17
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No deal = barking mad

Deal = making the best of a bad situation

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23/12/2020 11:19:55 3 1
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I agree, but not at any cost. The deal needs to be equitqble and better than WTO.
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23/12/2020 11:13:26 434 287
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The closing of the French border is a political stunt by Macron & the EU, trying to scare the UK into thinking this is what it will be like. But as we all know the EU send more goods here than we export so it doesn't take much working out to see that they will not do this unless they wish to commit economical suicide. Keep your nerve & walk away if they do not show reason over our waters.
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23/12/2020 11:19:57 299 221
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Economic Suicide? barely an economic stubbed toe to the EU27.
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23/12/2020 11:25:45 21 22
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Have you not seen all the German cars on our roads ?? Do you really think they do not want to send the £265 billion worth of goods to the UK per year???
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23/12/2020 11:49:31 16 34
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Only a fool thinks that when the EU has a £200 billion trade surplus with us. Typical ignorant Remainer economics.
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23/12/2020 11:51:16 16 25
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They sell us more than we sell them, and they plunder our fish into the bargain. If UK trade didi not matter to them, they would not be trying so hard to get a deal.
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23/12/2020 11:59:59 3 8
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Then why are they still negotiating?
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23/12/2020 12:06:37 6 8
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Really? You seriously think that? Then why the hell are they still negotiating?
23/12/2020 12:16:29 4 11
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So why are they so scared of us?
23/12/2020 14:24:06 2 4
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Are u blinded?
23/12/2020 15:25:30 3 2
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Wrong, only 7 of the 27 actually trade with us in any significant amount, our GDP matches 19 of the remaining 27. The City is still trading (ie we are making a trade surplus on services) EU is squabbling over goods - where they make a surplus, Nissan figured out UK is the place to be, not EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

the 7 also fund the others
23/12/2020 16:43:50 2 1
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Rubbish. Look at the figures before making comment.
23/12/2020 17:06:22 2 1
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If that is the case then why have they (EU) not walked away already? If they didn't need us they wouldn't be offering to talk into 2021 ... you wait n see!
23/12/2020 18:39:12 0 1
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But a knee in the crutch for the UK.
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23/12/2020 11:20:02 17 17
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Apparently some lorry drivers are being arrested in kent and some are starving.
No deal preparation were very poor. The UK failed after only 48 hours. What has this country become?
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23/12/2020 11:22:02 15 14
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All the France and EU's fault. THEY are blockading, not us. Its all Political Tactics. This will bite Macron on the ass.
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23/12/2020 11:24:57 2 1
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..that’s the tories for you
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23/12/2020 11:26:40 0 2
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Starving ? What evidence do you have ? Best you dial 999 now...

Lorries get parked up regularly, it’s called Operation Stack, google it, no drivers starve !

True there aren’t toilets every few hundred yards, drivers tend to use a bottle on the cab and a hedgerow at night.... just remember NEVER EAT YELLOW SNOW ??
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23/12/2020 11:38:20 0 0
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This country has always 'muddled through' and told the people it was the plan all along. This is Johnson's Dunkirk moment but instant news removes the hiding places.
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23/12/2020 11:20:04 5 9
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Macron has played a game that shows true colours of the EU. Fishing is a big deal in France, without access expect yellow vests on the streets of Paris, Boris knows this and is right to use as leverage on the level playing field. Suspect deal will be announced on Dec 31st to great fanfare
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23/12/2020 11:24:21 4 2
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Rubbish
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23/12/2020 11:35:01 0 0
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Outmanoeuvred almost from the first step
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23/12/2020 11:20:08 16 11
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We’ve left the EU. Why are Brexiteers still blaming everyone else? Easiest deal ever turn out to be a lie then?
Yip the tories love to lie and dixeteers love to lap those lies up like hungry dogs. Removed
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23/12/2020 11:20:12 12 8
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And still the blind faithful shout their support for this obvious mistake.

Do you still 'believe'? No, thought not.
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23/12/2020 11:26:22 6 14
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I still firmly believe in leaving the eu, like I have since I was 13 and nothing will change this. We should leave now & faced with paperwork on all sides and potential loss of sales people would soon get it sorted.
No deal while the blockade is in place.

That much is obvious.
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23/12/2020 11:22:47 3 2
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It is like to threaten someone that you will hit your head with a hammer if he doesn't stop punching you.
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23/12/2020 11:25:06 2 1
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No deal while the threat of British naval action against civilians emains
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23/12/2020 11:20:15 2 3
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WHILE OUR MOPS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING

British exports + imports to the E.U have increased in the last 4 years both by almost 20% each.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/551045/united-kingdom-uk-exports-of-goods-and-services-to-eu/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/551145/united-kingdom-uk-imports-of-goods-and-services-from-eu/

AND YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE LITTLE OR NO LEVERAGE!

SIGN!!!!!
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RM
23/12/2020 11:20:22 50 43
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Blame Brexiteers for Brexit mess and not everyone else, please.
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23/12/2020 11:23:51 14 13
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Wheel of Blame is the favourite game of the 52.
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jon
23/12/2020 11:24:28 3 10
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The so-called progressives are just as complicit. The Brexiteers’ are the democrats.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/14/liberals-brexit-politics-resentment
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23/12/2020 11:24:46 3 3
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David Cameron is a remainer. He started the whole thing. Blame him.
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23/12/2020 11:28:35 6 3
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Oh I am, it’s just a pity many of them don’t know how to take personal responsibility for their own actions
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23/12/2020 11:23:19 3 1
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Why? Our so-called government has only had 4 years to sort it out....
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23/12/2020 11:47:26 0 3
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Anything else you want to blame on Brexit supporters? The increase in traffic accidents? The winter weather?
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23/12/2020 11:18:57 8 18
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Boris is going to surrender - if he does, he will not be forgiven.
French using Covid to turn the screw - shame they did not keep their borders closed in 1940
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23/12/2020 11:20:25 2 1
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Just lucky we had the English Channel in reality.
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MDK
23/12/2020 11:20:28 11 14
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Trade deals take decades. This is a last gasp by a horrific leadership. We will be tied to rubbish terms due to pig headedness over a spot of fishing. Get them out.
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23/12/2020 11:19:40 11 19
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Europe tried this sort of stunt before, a Europe united under a different regime. Didn't work out to well for them, and they didn't starve us into submission.
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23/12/2020 11:20:31 6 2
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Yup, all of this is the fault of the EU...
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23/12/2020 11:25:55 1 2
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Correct, the EU has been in terminal decline for at least 5 years. Only one side needs a deal to happen and its not the UK.
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23/12/2020 11:19:40 11 19
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Europe tried this sort of stunt before, a Europe united under a different regime. Didn't work out to well for them, and they didn't starve us into submission.
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23/12/2020 11:20:40 4 1
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Except we are the nationalists now...
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23/12/2020 11:13:34 21 17
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No deal = barking mad

Deal = making the best of a bad situation

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23/12/2020 11:20:52 2 3
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No Deal is better than a bad deal. No Deal, No Problem!
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Uzz
23/12/2020 11:16:04 1155 647
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Macron’s internationally unprecedented closure to UK freight is a clear attempt at bullying. It is however counter-productive. The British have historically shown resolve in such circumstances.
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23/12/2020 11:20:52 1024 54
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It’s also hurt the poor drivers from the EU trying to get home for Christmas the most.
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23/12/2020 11:44:24 70 48
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Proper own goal! Now everyone hates Macron.
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23/12/2020 12:10:40 2 1
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what christmas?
23/12/2020 13:04:07 1 0
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No one said Macron was smart
23/12/2020 13:59:30 2 3
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But I was led to believe the eu cares for its citizens another lie to add to hundreds of others
23/12/2020 14:23:12 0 0
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Yes and lets hope they blame Macron
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23/12/2020 11:18:47 19 20
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The issues at Dover finally waking up the British brain dead about what Brexit actually means to them. Let it be painful. They need to learn.
And you can always live in nazi eu Removed
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23/12/2020 11:18:13 1225 340
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But... No deal... WTO... EU bad... Sovereignty...

If no deal is so good, why are we still at the table?
Because Johnson is an idiot Removed
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23/12/2020 11:36:52 106 48
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Nicely summed up. He still has supporters though - why?
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23/12/2020 11:43:21 28 22
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There are certainly some idiots around, to be sure. No names, no pack drill.
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23/12/2020 11:59:01 62 28
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If that is how you try to win an argument, you must lose quite often.
23/12/2020 12:35:13 12 20
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No, you are
23/12/2020 12:41:22 31 4
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And yet he won a massive majority, largely supported by people who claim they knew they were voting for No Deal in 2016.

So they must all be idiots too.
23/12/2020 12:54:19 6 5
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and a coward
23/12/2020 13:03:18 5 1
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He (and we) think as highly of you as well
23/12/2020 13:15:02 8 11
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and of course you, or anyone else would have done such a better job of running the country :-) Another arm chair minister - all of the carping - none of the contribution. So what's your proposal? Cancel Brexit I suppose? I didn't vote for it, i don't like it but that's democracy. Get over it and instead of whining and throwing stones try and make it work as best you can like the rest of us
JackTechDev is an idiot Removed
23/12/2020 14:00:53 4 8
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No its because the E U are being bombastic and want everything for themselves not for us , Bully boys is all they are!
KAR
23/12/2020 14:10:35 2 2
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Yes.. that’s why he is priminister and you are here ??
23/12/2020 14:14:57 3 2
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Jack he's an idiot all right, by why still at the table if no deal is all hard leavers ever wanted - not that they said until AFTER the votes were in
23/12/2020 14:23:10 4 6
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Pleased to see the remain camp sticking to their MO of no substance just ad hominem right to the end. Cos it worked so well at every turn so far... lol
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23/12/2020 11:21:03 5 4
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This is not funny anymore! Stop this either way but stop it.
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23/12/2020 11:25:39 2 11
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Walk away and trade on WTO terms.
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Cat
23/12/2020 11:21:05 14 10
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All these no surrender calls and lets trade WTO, perhaps the posters of such comments could enlighten us to what exports they make to the EU & the rest of the world and how a no deal is going to help their businesses that is if they actually run a business.
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23/12/2020 11:21:07 16 14
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It takes a Frenchman to bring reason to the unreasoning. It's amazing how many here throw their arms up in the air at the French action, yet advocate the UK doing the same. Brexiteers are fantasists. Looking for a Unicorn that never existed, then demand the EU provides them with one.
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23/12/2020 11:30:05 1 2
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The trouble with all of this, is your kind of comment. We need to find a route forward. Now that we have, let us not forget, democratically voted to leave, any constructive, sensible advice would be greatly appreciated. It is easy to throw bricks. Work at it and use your energy positively. (I voted to remain for the record.) PS Don't listen to the press, agendas not necessarily for anyone's good.
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23/12/2020 11:19:43 6 12
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At least with no deal we know where we stand and can start rebuilding the industry, fishing etc that was decimated when we first joined. De Gaulle was right 'Non'
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23/12/2020 11:21:07 2 2
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Again with the fish.
'go whistle' said johnson. who's whistling now. you fat chump!!! Removed
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23/12/2020 11:30:50 0 1
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??????????????????????
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23/12/2020 11:21:12 3 7
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Everybody I know voted leave to end FoM not for this extreme Brexit being forced on us by the hard right of the Tory party.
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23/12/2020 11:22:42 12 1
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Outmanoeuvred by this shower? You must feel so foolish...
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23/12/2020 11:25:23 4 2
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Clearly a lot of people didn’t appreciate the reality of what they voted for. But that’s democracy I guess
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23/12/2020 11:16:54 6 10
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Just like everything else, just waiting on Johnson's last minute U-turn, either to extend the deadline or accept the deal.

Either would be better than the stupidity of no-deal.

It is not down to the EU to capitulate, they are offering what they can without damaging their own fishing industries and the single market.

Johnson is just being petulant demanding more.
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23/12/2020 11:21:23 3 2
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It's probably best to call them J(ohnson) Turns.

A J-Turn achieves the same end result as a U-Turn, but are faster and more dangerous, often producing tyre smoke, obscuring what's just happening/happened.
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23/12/2020 11:19:40 11 19
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Europe tried this sort of stunt before, a Europe united under a different regime. Didn't work out to well for them, and they didn't starve us into submission.
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23/12/2020 11:21:38 5 1
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They they they. Everyone is against you eh?
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23/12/2020 11:21:43 2 2
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'close contact' could mean a full on fist fight - it doesn't mean a deal is near or even likely.
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23/12/2020 11:10:50 1085 639
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I’m sure if Macron wasn’t involved an agreement would be been sorted a long time ago

His childish antics in recent days at the borders has shown his true character.

AKA -his frail attempt to have a go at the UK for not agreeing to his ridiculous terms
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23/12/2020 11:21:43 112 57
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But that's the French for you........A lot of younger people were not around when French farmers set fire to lorries full of live sheep, dumped British produce into the sea because it was too competitive for them...Then came the corrupt CAP with France being the biggest benefactor with Germany then Spain...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/brexit-leaving-eu-farming-agriculture
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23/12/2020 11:34:11 11 11
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Get over yourself.
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23/12/2020 11:17:28 736 252
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If Boris backs down to the EU's unreasonable demands, it will be the end of him and the Tory party.
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23/12/2020 11:21:45 60 10
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One can only hope
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23/12/2020 11:18:57 8 18
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Boris is going to surrender - if he does, he will not be forgiven.
French using Covid to turn the screw - shame they did not keep their borders closed in 1940
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23/12/2020 11:21:59 1 2
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I voted leave to end FoM to allow the Tories to bring in a legal cap on immigration of 100k a year as promised in 3 of the last 4 Tory manifestos. If they do not do so next year then they have not delivered the Brexit I voted for.
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23/12/2020 11:20:02 17 17
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Apparently some lorry drivers are being arrested in kent and some are starving.
No deal preparation were very poor. The UK failed after only 48 hours. What has this country become?
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23/12/2020 11:22:02 15 14
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All the France and EU's fault. THEY are blockading, not us. Its all Political Tactics. This will bite Macron on the ass.
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23/12/2020 11:10:50 1085 639
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I’m sure if Macron wasn’t involved an agreement would be been sorted a long time ago

His childish antics in recent days at the borders has shown his true character.

AKA -his frail attempt to have a go at the UK for not agreeing to his ridiculous terms
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23/12/2020 11:22:13 92 130
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I’m sure if Boris wasn’t involved an agreement would be been sorted a long time ago

His childish antics in recent days at the borders has shown his true character.

AKA -his frail attempt to have a go at the EU for not agreeing to his ridiculous terms
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23/12/2020 11:56:40 9 8
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You mean childish antics as in not bending over to take an EU shafting like T.M would have done.................
23/12/2020 12:32:28 1 2
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your also clearly a delusional fool
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23/12/2020 11:15:47 572 120
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Macron speaks for France.
Not the E.U.

It's good to see he's been side lined recently
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23/12/2020 11:24:05 702 375
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How does France act & speak independently when Brexiters always told us this was impoosible? Did they lie to us (again)????
23/12/2020 13:00:33 23 0
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Macron's job is to speak for France.
The EU commission has RECOMMENDED that EU countries - not just France - open their borders to UK again.
Little France dictator Removed
23/12/2020 14:52:47 5 6
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That's a very, very silly comment... The EU has every right to defend itself from english contamination... Why wouldn't it? Are you seriously trying to tell us that poor little tiny england wouldn't do the same in similar circumstances... Tess, can you understand... Tess? Or should I write this in cyrillic characters. Poor, poor, weak minded 'Tess'.
23/12/2020 15:14:03 4 5
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No sure he even speaks for France, unless rioting is a national sport.
23/12/2020 15:27:12 1 1
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What makes you think he’s been side lined ... he’s been pulling Barniers strings all along.
Ian
23/12/2020 15:42:07 0 1
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Probably only speaks for Paris.
23/12/2020 16:14:02 0 0
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Yes......I agree.
23/12/2020 16:51:08 1 0
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Except Macron has a veto and therefore can steer the EU.
You take delight in him catching the virus then ? Idiot.... Removed
23/12/2020 17:07:57 1 0
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Yes, France appears to have sovereignty.
23/12/2020 17:41:06 1 0
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Not true, all member states agree on the negotiation terms. I am really looking forward to a no deal, so that people like you finally understand what it is all about.
23/12/2020 19:08:52 1 0
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But, as our government has never fully realised, we aren't really negotiating with 'the EU' but with 27 sovereign countries. They all have a veto and any one can block a deal.
That includes Macron.
23/12/2020 19:17:34 0 0
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Macron has just shafted Johnson and our negotiating team. One small move of 2 days and has brought down our red line of repatriating 80% of our waters to just 30%. A good day's work. Johnson is busy selling out the country and us tonight.
23/12/2020 19:26:11 0 0
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This is what a wrote 2 weeks ago...

"A deal has already been done, why else remove the threat to break the terms of the existing withdrawal agreement?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54088596

All we are seeing now is a phoney war to make Bozo and the Tories look good, when in reality they will be backing down big time!"
23/12/2020 20:22:09 0 0
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On the back of the last 2 world wars, why do France even have a say in serious discussions!?
23/12/2020 20:33:05 0 0
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At least he protects his country.
23/12/2020 20:56:24 0 0
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...and the EU keeps telling us tha sovereinty is stupid !!!!
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23/12/2020 11:14:18 13 23
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Thank you Emmanuel Macron. Your actions have just hammered home to Mr Thick, in Downing Street that a no deal scenario can have serious consequences in which despite his fantasy words, he know knows he has no control over.

I salute you.
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23/12/2020 11:22:14 1 9
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I would like a deal. Let’s be honest. The UK wants to leave the club after 40 years. This means that you were not happy with everything of that club, otherwise you try to sort your disagreement from the inside. Both side should leave without a deal. Yes, it will be painful on both side, but this is your wish. Later if you want a deal you will need to reapply like you were a third country.
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23/12/2020 11:22:15 17 16
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EU currently giving brexiteers an object lesson in who needs who the most
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23/12/2020 11:36:42 1 0
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Surely u mean who bleeds who the most.