Champions Cup rules 'too harsh' - Monye
22/12/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 266
Heineken Champions Cup rules handing a 28-0 defeat to sides responsible for coronavirus-related cancellations are "far too harsh", says former England wing Ugo Monye.
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Bob
22/12/2020 17:00:44 8 6
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Love how he was quick to put the boot in on Sale. Same with Baxter, saying how he couldnt believe a club can have an outbreak
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22/12/2020 17:02:46 4 5
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Bit late with his criticism- season already underway. This is about fulfilling tv contracts and getting games on tv - and not about the comp.
Ra ra in big trouble with head injuries - 28 nil safest way - and often most entertaining way - to play the game
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22/12/2020 17:12:39 5 5
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It will be interesting to see if any Scarlets players listed in the match 23 test positive in this weeks round of testing. If any do I expect the result of the Toulon game to be reversed on appeal.
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22/12/2020 19:54:52 3 2
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Why European rugby checked, and past all the protocols concerning the scarlets, Toulon were also offered a delayed kick-off while the whole scarlets squad were re-tested.
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22/12/2020 17:14:34 32 4
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28-0 is harsh, especially for clubs who didn't even have an outbreak. For example Glasgow were forced to cancel, not because they had any COVID cases, but because they had recently played a club that subsequently had cases. In this instance, wouldn't a 14-7 result to the higher-ranked team be fairer? No try-scoring bonus point for the 'winner' and a losing bonus point for the 'loser'?
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22/12/2020 21:43:14 9 12
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Given how poor Glasgow are, the 28-0 scoreline flatters them.
The format was a joke to start with - a team could win 4 out of 4 and not qualify, the second wave of covid makes it even worse.
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22/12/2020 17:15:51 33 17
bbc
Rob Baxter had no sympathy with Sale and so presumably believes in forfeiting. Right now who cares if it is not the best 8 teams who qualify , we are lucky to be watching rugby and the players are keeping their jobs.
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22/12/2020 17:29:00 41 43
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No sympathy at all for Exeter, their "holier than thou" attitude is irritating. Glasgow have suffered because Exeter did not control their players. Add to that, Exeter rugby is just dull.
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Joe
22/12/2020 18:41:04 8 6
bbc
Everyone in the Premiership hates Sale, I wet myself laughing when they lost to Edinburgh on Saturday as all their fans were gloating about how they were going to walk to a 50 point win.
As for the way they signed Solomona and others.....
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22/12/2020 17:16:44 47 3
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There has to be a way of allowing teams to progress in the competition, but I agree this is not particularly fair (although there’s a lot right now that’s not fair!).

I especially feel for teams like Glasgow - hit with a loss when all they had done was to self isolate because of playing a team a week earlier with a subsequent outbreak.
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-_-
22/12/2020 17:17:13 19 6
bbc
Each time a game is cancelled and a 28 nil result is awarded it devalues the competition. Will the winners be the best team or the team that was luckiest with the virus?

On a different topic will Eddie pick the Saracens players for the 6Ns even though they won't have played a competitive game?
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22/12/2020 18:49:38 19 5
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Of course he will, he doesn't have the imagination to play without them.
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22/12/2020 17:27:44 4 3
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The new format was an unnecessarily complicated mess to start with, it has now descended into farce.
At a critical time for the sport for many reasons, the lack of competent leadership and governance is very worrying.
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22/12/2020 17:15:51 33 17
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Rob Baxter had no sympathy with Sale and so presumably believes in forfeiting. Right now who cares if it is not the best 8 teams who qualify , we are lucky to be watching rugby and the players are keeping their jobs.
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22/12/2020 17:29:00 41 43
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No sympathy at all for Exeter, their "holier than thou" attitude is irritating. Glasgow have suffered because Exeter did not control their players. Add to that, Exeter rugby is just dull.
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22/12/2020 18:13:28 12 4
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"Exeter did not control their players." Any evidence for that statement ?
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22/12/2020 22:32:55 11 5
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Holier than thou attitude ? Just a humble team from Devon, now the best team in the uk and Europe
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23/12/2020 14:48:43 0 1
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Dull and highly successful. Irritating, isn't it? (PS. the world champions do the same).
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23/12/2020 15:00:05 0 1
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We don't need sympathy from the also rans, we shall give it a good go and at worst, hopefully, make the Challenge Cup which we have never won, would make a nice triple.
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22/12/2020 17:30:44 55 1
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It goes against all sporting justice that a team forced to self isolate, because an opponent in a previous match tested positive, should be punished.
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22/12/2020 17:32:17 10 2
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There’s no easy fix to this unfortunately. Right now, the concerns over the disease are higher than summer. Vaccine or not, we are currently on a downward spiral. 2 young Newcastle footballers are suffering from long covid. They may not be alone and it could ruin, both careers & quality of life. It will be a lost season, people need to enjoy it best they can.
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22/12/2020 17:36:17 7 10
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It would be shame if Exeter cannot defend their title going out of competition due to Covid.
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22/12/2020 17:37:41 1 1
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This competition will always carry a footnote whichever team wins it. The nature of rugby union as a full contact sport is well understood. The other article about concussion is possibly more alarming for the future. Does anyone really believe that only 20% of players suffer concussion, I suspect that Brian O'Driscoll's uncle would cite a much higher percentage?
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22/12/2020 17:46:23 1 1
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That's just Professional too what about the Amateur lads around the country or globally.

Yes like someone has posted if the Funds are distributed fairly then be it.

Do we accept there is Rugby and all happy at these times or just say No.

Seeing as Sky and other satellite channels putting the money forward and need their Air time filling yes it is money orientated.
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22/12/2020 17:49:59 4 1
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The BBC should stop promoting the regularly debunked, known to be exaggerated for financial gain 'science' of Dr Bennet Omalu as coming from 'one of the world's leading experts on brain injuries', when over 50 actual experts have written to leading USA papers criticising his work as being fiction written to to support ambulance chaser lawyers.
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22/12/2020 17:50:54 0 1
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It's his father, Doctor Frank O'Driscoll.
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23/12/2020 10:59:05 0 0
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I played senior rugby for nearly 20 years and as an 11stone scrum half used to get knocked out a couple of times a season, over that time ive seen pretty much all my team mates get sparked at least once, the figure will be way higher, but we accepted it was the nature of the game, be interested to see what the future brings
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22/12/2020 17:41:18 4 4
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Like the Autumn International competition it has descended into a lottery. I hope they give all the teams an equal share of the money available if they play this out to the end.
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23/12/2020 10:30:45 0 1
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With the exception of Fiji all the other teams got to play all their matches... so not really "a lottery"!
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22/12/2020 17:45:14 66 1
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Agreed. Not that Glasgow are playing well this year, but to be handed a 28-0 loss because "they played a team a week before that contracted COVID" is absolutely no fault of their own.
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22/12/2020 22:31:22 21 2
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It is to their credit that they accepted their fate without so much as a grumble.
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23/12/2020 18:50:56 1 0
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Maybe for justice, glasgow should be handed a 28-0 win against Exeter, as they obviously played with a player who was infected.
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Joe
22/12/2020 17:45:27 3 1
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Talking of Exeter has there been any news on what is happening with our game against them on Boxing Day yet? I saw something about more tests but not seen anything else
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22/12/2020 17:37:41 1 1
bbc
This competition will always carry a footnote whichever team wins it. The nature of rugby union as a full contact sport is well understood. The other article about concussion is possibly more alarming for the future. Does anyone really believe that only 20% of players suffer concussion, I suspect that Brian O'Driscoll's uncle would cite a much higher percentage?
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22/12/2020 17:46:23 1 1
bbc
That's just Professional too what about the Amateur lads around the country or globally.

Yes like someone has posted if the Funds are distributed fairly then be it.

Do we accept there is Rugby and all happy at these times or just say No.

Seeing as Sky and other satellite channels putting the money forward and need their Air time filling yes it is money orientated.
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22/12/2020 17:47:19 4 16
bbc
All the teams agreed to this before they started. I have yet to see anyone come up with a better idea, given there aren't any free weekends in the rugby calender.
As for Exeter, it will be fixed again for them. I expect Nigel Owens or Andrew Brace to get the Toulouse match. Maximum points and maximum penalties.
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22/12/2020 17:55:50 10 5
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So your calling those two refs and the organisers cheats!! Grow up .
I wonder who you support
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22/12/2020 17:58:13 4 4
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Totally agree Bomber, with Exeter it’s “one rule for us, another for the rest of them”
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22/12/2020 18:09:19 2 5
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Better idea...yes got one, stop all sport as things stand does it really matter...all this chasing up and down the country, or popping over to France for a game...bubbles,total crap to be honest contracts being met yes...meanwhile the NHS carry on as normal to sort out the mess left behind.
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22/12/2020 17:49:33 13 4
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It does seem a little harsh however all the clubs signed up to it. l wonder how many protests there were when ruling was revealed to them? Or did they think ( like Baxter) it won't happen to us.
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22/12/2020 21:08:49 5 4
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Did they have any real choice? I suspect that the choice was to agree the rules or stay out of the competition. There was the same nonsense at the last WC regarding games that could not be played because of hurricanes.
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22/12/2020 17:37:41 1 1
bbc
This competition will always carry a footnote whichever team wins it. The nature of rugby union as a full contact sport is well understood. The other article about concussion is possibly more alarming for the future. Does anyone really believe that only 20% of players suffer concussion, I suspect that Brian O'Driscoll's uncle would cite a much higher percentage?
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22/12/2020 17:49:59 4 1
bbc
The BBC should stop promoting the regularly debunked, known to be exaggerated for financial gain 'science' of Dr Bennet Omalu as coming from 'one of the world's leading experts on brain injuries', when over 50 actual experts have written to leading USA papers criticising his work as being fiction written to to support ambulance chaser lawyers.
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22/12/2020 17:37:41 1 1
bbc
This competition will always carry a footnote whichever team wins it. The nature of rugby union as a full contact sport is well understood. The other article about concussion is possibly more alarming for the future. Does anyone really believe that only 20% of players suffer concussion, I suspect that Brian O'Driscoll's uncle would cite a much higher percentage?
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22/12/2020 17:50:54 0 1
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It's his father, Doctor Frank O'Driscoll.
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22/12/2020 19:25:38 0 1
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I was referring to Dr Barry O'Driscoll who is his or his father's second cousin but referred to as an uncle, very Irish. Personally my father insisted I stopped playing as a schoolboy because I was twice knocked slightly unconscious. It was just as well I was next to useless at the sport.
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22/12/2020 17:52:01 6 6
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Much as I love rugby, and will support my teams to the max and watch them play on TV whenever possible, maybe this makes me hypocritical but I do believe that rugby has started up again too early! It is too close contact to be safe in my opinion! And before I get shot down with the testing etc my wife is a frontline nurse that works with covid and I know all about the time scales of infection rate
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22/12/2020 18:09:56 7 1
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Respectively disagree! Lots of people have to go to work and expose themselves and they give no enjoyment to the public by doing it, and are probably a lot more likely to be hospitalised than a professional rugby player. We can't live like hermits, if we do the country falls over.
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22/12/2020 17:47:19 4 16
bbc
All the teams agreed to this before they started. I have yet to see anyone come up with a better idea, given there aren't any free weekends in the rugby calender.
As for Exeter, it will be fixed again for them. I expect Nigel Owens or Andrew Brace to get the Toulouse match. Maximum points and maximum penalties.
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22/12/2020 17:55:50 10 5
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So your calling those two refs and the organisers cheats!! Grow up .
I wonder who you support
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22/12/2020 22:25:10 1 2
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Watching Matthew Carley in action for Munster v Clermont makes me wonder whether Bomber has a valid point!
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22/12/2020 17:57:19 13 2
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The rules are not fair but I guess the view is that some rugby is better than no rugby even if the comp is flawed. The important point for the clubs is that some revenue is generated and that the clubs can stay connected to their fan base. Quite rightly the health of the players and staff has to be paramount. lets be thankful for what we can watch and take each game as it comes as a blessing.
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22/12/2020 17:57:20 16 12
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Oh shush for pity’s sake Monye. Other teams, British and European, have managed to exist in their Covid bubbles, everyone signed up to this short format competition and knew the penalties if they had to forfeit. Can’t stand Glasgow but why should they have to now potentially lose matches 28-0 because Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules?
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22/12/2020 18:10:49 8 7
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Who said "Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules" ? You just made that up. Since when has falling ill through catching a virus been against the rules ?
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22/12/2020 18:11:19 10 1
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And why should Bath have to forfeit their game because they played against a team with a player who subsequently tested positive for covid-19?
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22/12/2020 19:08:38 0 1
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Not potentially. Glasgow have had to forfeit
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22/12/2020 17:47:19 4 16
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All the teams agreed to this before they started. I have yet to see anyone come up with a better idea, given there aren't any free weekends in the rugby calender.
As for Exeter, it will be fixed again for them. I expect Nigel Owens or Andrew Brace to get the Toulouse match. Maximum points and maximum penalties.
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22/12/2020 17:58:13 4 4
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Totally agree Bomber, with Exeter it’s “one rule for us, another for the rest of them”
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22/12/2020 18:00:09 5 12
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The Uk is in a big mess does rugby really matter as it stands...be sensible and stop all games...unbelievable really.
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Bob
22/12/2020 18:27:33 2 2
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Get a grip
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22/12/2020 18:36:39 3 1
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Seriously????

There's already far too many people suffering serious mental health issues as it is from lockdown, but hey, why not cancel yet another little thing which might lift the darkness just a little bit, eh?
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22/12/2020 19:07:15 2 2
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Rugby does matter, if you feel it doesn't then you belong on a soccer HYS.
Rugby is the heart and soul of most close knit working class villages and towns in Wales your local club is the glue that keeps communities together.
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22/12/2020 18:01:12 0 1
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Can you please show your "harsh" comments when the Leicester vs Castres was cancelled. I cannot remember seeing comments saying that ruling was incorrect
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22/12/2020 19:07:12 0 1
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Leicester have just had to cancel their game against Newcastle. Not sure what happens now
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22/12/2020 18:02:55 2 6
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This years competition has decended into a farce. The winners won't feel like they have won the cup, that is the harshest bit about it.
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22/12/2020 18:04:50 8 10
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Will we ever get any welsh, Irish or Scottish ex pro’s on the line up or is it an England old boys club? Chris Jones (ALWAYS on the fence) plus 3 ex England players...

Should be renamed English premiership rugby weekly!
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22/12/2020 18:09:05 3 3
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Scrum V BBC Podcast, The Welsh Rugby Podcast, Blood & Mud.
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22/12/2020 19:04:40 2 1
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I get Wales online on my phone. Read a couple of their articles and you would think no one else could play rugby. Latest nonsense is Warburton’s best ever team he has faced. Guess what.? Two England players.
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22/12/2020 18:04:50 8 10
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Will we ever get any welsh, Irish or Scottish ex pro’s on the line up or is it an England old boys club? Chris Jones (ALWAYS on the fence) plus 3 ex England players...

Should be renamed English premiership rugby weekly!
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22/12/2020 18:09:05 3 3
bbc
Scrum V BBC Podcast, The Welsh Rugby Podcast, Blood & Mud.
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23/12/2020 11:25:45 0 0
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Lucky you. Nothing similar for Scots or Northern Irish funded by NATIONAL license fees...??
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22/12/2020 17:47:19 4 16
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All the teams agreed to this before they started. I have yet to see anyone come up with a better idea, given there aren't any free weekends in the rugby calender.
As for Exeter, it will be fixed again for them. I expect Nigel Owens or Andrew Brace to get the Toulouse match. Maximum points and maximum penalties.
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22/12/2020 18:09:19 2 5
bbc
Better idea...yes got one, stop all sport as things stand does it really matter...all this chasing up and down the country, or popping over to France for a game...bubbles,total crap to be honest contracts being met yes...meanwhile the NHS carry on as normal to sort out the mess left behind.
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22/12/2020 17:52:01 6 6
bbc
Much as I love rugby, and will support my teams to the max and watch them play on TV whenever possible, maybe this makes me hypocritical but I do believe that rugby has started up again too early! It is too close contact to be safe in my opinion! And before I get shot down with the testing etc my wife is a frontline nurse that works with covid and I know all about the time scales of infection rate
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22/12/2020 18:09:56 7 1
bbc
Respectively disagree! Lots of people have to go to work and expose themselves and they give no enjoyment to the public by doing it, and are probably a lot more likely to be hospitalised than a professional rugby player. We can't live like hermits, if we do the country falls over.
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22/12/2020 18:18:29 3 2
bbc
Yes it's all about personal views, mine is based on what my wife has seen and the real health damage that it can do to otherwise healthy people
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22/12/2020 17:57:20 16 12
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Oh shush for pity’s sake Monye. Other teams, British and European, have managed to exist in their Covid bubbles, everyone signed up to this short format competition and knew the penalties if they had to forfeit. Can’t stand Glasgow but why should they have to now potentially lose matches 28-0 because Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules?
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22/12/2020 18:10:49 8 7
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Who said "Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules" ? You just made that up. Since when has falling ill through catching a virus been against the rules ?
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22/12/2020 18:34:37 5 2
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Is this the same Exeter Chiefs coached by Rob Baxter, who back in September was saying that testing for pro rugby players should be dropped because of how few infections were transferred between players?

Yes, they may well have been abiding by the rules, but no smoke without fire and all that...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/sep/28/exeter-rob-baxter-end-coronavirus-tests-rugby-players
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NM
22/12/2020 20:44:15 1 2
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As noted elsewhere, Glasgow have said that and they should know having witnessed some of Exeter's failed protocols.
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22/12/2020 17:57:20 16 12
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Oh shush for pity’s sake Monye. Other teams, British and European, have managed to exist in their Covid bubbles, everyone signed up to this short format competition and knew the penalties if they had to forfeit. Can’t stand Glasgow but why should they have to now potentially lose matches 28-0 because Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules?
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22/12/2020 18:11:19 10 1
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And why should Bath have to forfeit their game because they played against a team with a player who subsequently tested positive for covid-19?
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22/12/2020 18:33:32 5 2
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Agree Scarlets have waltzed through with 5 points and caused Bath to forfeit its rubbish. They only isolated 3 players Bath 12 after their game. That should be looked the competition means nothing now
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22/12/2020 17:29:00 41 43
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No sympathy at all for Exeter, their "holier than thou" attitude is irritating. Glasgow have suffered because Exeter did not control their players. Add to that, Exeter rugby is just dull.
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22/12/2020 18:13:28 12 4
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"Exeter did not control their players." Any evidence for that statement ?
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22/12/2020 18:46:40 6 9
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Yeah, there are reports all over that the Exeter players were hanging around without masks, socialising with people not part of the club.
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NM
22/12/2020 20:39:21 4 7
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Glasgow are apparently preparing a complaint about Exeter's lack of controls that they witnessed.
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23/12/2020 21:34:51 0 0
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surely the covid outbreak among the carrot crunchers is enough evidence
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22/12/2020 18:16:27 3 1
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When did Exeter actually know they had covid players?
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22/12/2020 18:09:56 7 1
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Respectively disagree! Lots of people have to go to work and expose themselves and they give no enjoyment to the public by doing it, and are probably a lot more likely to be hospitalised than a professional rugby player. We can't live like hermits, if we do the country falls over.
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22/12/2020 18:18:29 3 2
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Yes it's all about personal views, mine is based on what my wife has seen and the real health damage that it can do to otherwise healthy people
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22/12/2020 18:33:17 2 4
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Also add to that most people that go to work dont expose themselves to it as they are protected by ppe or social distancing, so any infection they get would be from outside work, whereas rugby players have no ppe or social distancing
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22/12/2020 18:36:52 3 2
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Your wife is one of the heroes.
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22/12/2020 18:24:14 0 2
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who?
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22/12/2020 18:24:59 2 3
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Yeah so you can't make your fixture so award the other side the win. Bonus point what the F is that about?
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22/12/2020 18:46:12 2 1
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If your side needed a bonus point to get through to the knock-outs, and the opponents pulled out, you might see there are two sides to that question.
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22/12/2020 18:00:09 5 12
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The Uk is in a big mess does rugby really matter as it stands...be sensible and stop all games...unbelievable really.
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Bob
22/12/2020 18:27:33 2 2
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Get a grip
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22/12/2020 18:28:19 1 4
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This decision has engineered a Leinster v Racing 92 final in Marseille.

However on the Friday night you will now have Exeter Chiefs giving someone a 50 niller.
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22/12/2020 18:31:03 7 4
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Ashton justs sounds like the whinger he evidently was and is Oh Boo I got thumped coz I played poorly. What are odds on his retiring or moving soon
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22/12/2020 19:15:15 3 1
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He showed that he actually gives a damn. What a whinger!
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22/12/2020 18:18:29 3 2
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Yes it's all about personal views, mine is based on what my wife has seen and the real health damage that it can do to otherwise healthy people
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22/12/2020 18:33:17 2 4
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Also add to that most people that go to work dont expose themselves to it as they are protected by ppe or social distancing, so any infection they get would be from outside work, whereas rugby players have no ppe or social distancing
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22/12/2020 18:42:32 1 1
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Well some have to get on a tube or a bus. I bet they are Covid hotspots.
Also a young apprentice on a construction site? do we really think he or she is protected. Not a chance.
I do understand your point of view however.
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22/12/2020 18:11:19 10 1
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And why should Bath have to forfeit their game because they played against a team with a player who subsequently tested positive for covid-19?
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22/12/2020 18:33:32 5 2
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Agree Scarlets have waltzed through with 5 points and caused Bath to forfeit its rubbish. They only isolated 3 players Bath 12 after their game. That should be looked the competition means nothing now
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22/12/2020 18:33:50 0 3
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Absolutely, Ugo. 14 - 0 seems about right.
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22/12/2020 18:34:06 29 2
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Ashton didn't exactly help his team - his petulance in the final minutes cost his team a try and probable conversion, when he petulantly grabbed an opponent long after the ball had gone. He'd do better to keep his mouth shut.
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22/12/2020 23:27:29 11 2
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Quins supporters consider him the player they dislike more than any other player ever.
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23/12/2020 21:31:48 0 0
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what has Ashton got to do with this HYS you P***k
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22/12/2020 18:10:49 8 7
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Who said "Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules" ? You just made that up. Since when has falling ill through catching a virus been against the rules ?
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22/12/2020 18:34:37 5 2
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Is this the same Exeter Chiefs coached by Rob Baxter, who back in September was saying that testing for pro rugby players should be dropped because of how few infections were transferred between players?

Yes, they may well have been abiding by the rules, but no smoke without fire and all that...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/sep/28/exeter-rob-baxter-end-coronavirus-tests-rugby-players
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22/12/2020 18:00:09 5 12
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The Uk is in a big mess does rugby really matter as it stands...be sensible and stop all games...unbelievable really.
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22/12/2020 18:36:39 3 1
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Seriously????

There's already far too many people suffering serious mental health issues as it is from lockdown, but hey, why not cancel yet another little thing which might lift the darkness just a little bit, eh?
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22/12/2020 18:18:29 3 2
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Yes it's all about personal views, mine is based on what my wife has seen and the real health damage that it can do to otherwise healthy people
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22/12/2020 18:36:52 3 2
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Your wife is one of the heroes.
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22/12/2020 18:39:32 2 2
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As we don't know yet how many other clubs will have to cancel, because they haven't YET found a positive test. Surely it would be wiser to wait until the end of this round and then determine the sanctions. You can have Covid without any obvious symptoms, so all these couch potatoes come medical boffins haven't a clue whats going to happen.No mutant virus cases have been found in France, just wait.
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22/12/2020 17:15:51 33 17
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Rob Baxter had no sympathy with Sale and so presumably believes in forfeiting. Right now who cares if it is not the best 8 teams who qualify , we are lucky to be watching rugby and the players are keeping their jobs.
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Joe
22/12/2020 18:41:04 8 6
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Everyone in the Premiership hates Sale, I wet myself laughing when they lost to Edinburgh on Saturday as all their fans were gloating about how they were going to walk to a 50 point win.
As for the way they signed Solomona and others.....
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23/12/2020 10:33:46 3 1
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This is not football - teams don't "hate" other teams.
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22/12/2020 18:33:17 2 4
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Also add to that most people that go to work dont expose themselves to it as they are protected by ppe or social distancing, so any infection they get would be from outside work, whereas rugby players have no ppe or social distancing
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22/12/2020 18:42:32 1 1
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Well some have to get on a tube or a bus. I bet they are Covid hotspots.
Also a young apprentice on a construction site? do we really think he or she is protected. Not a chance.
I do understand your point of view however.
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22/12/2020 18:50:02 2 1
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??
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22/12/2020 18:43:55 5 3
bbc
Well, Ugo, they'll just have to make sure the protocols are followed promptly and properly, ensuring the utmost safety for all players and staff. Not harsh considering the devastating consequences of this horrific virus on society worldwide. A lesser penalty could lead to complacency and more cases and if that happens more likelihood of governments stopping elite sports.
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jmw
22/12/2020 19:07:47 5 5
bbc
Nope - the problem with such a harsh penalty is it actually provides some clubs with a strong incentive to not report cases knowing that they’re out of the competition if they do. Great credit therefore to the clubs so far who have had issues, reported them and taken the 28-0 forfeit results on the chin.
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22/12/2020 18:44:18 14 6
bbc
What as surprise: Ashton's comment is Me ... Me ...Me.
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Bob
22/12/2020 18:58:34 5 2
bbc
Yes when asked about himself
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23/12/2020 21:39:27 1 0
bbc
another Ashton hater go and grow a pair and become a real man
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22/12/2020 18:24:59 2 3
bbc
Yeah so you can't make your fixture so award the other side the win. Bonus point what the F is that about?
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22/12/2020 18:46:12 2 1
bbc
If your side needed a bonus point to get through to the knock-outs, and the opponents pulled out, you might see there are two sides to that question.
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22/12/2020 18:13:28 12 4
bbc
"Exeter did not control their players." Any evidence for that statement ?
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22/12/2020 18:46:40 6 9
bbc
Yeah, there are reports all over that the Exeter players were hanging around without masks, socialising with people not part of the club.
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22/12/2020 22:28:43 6 4
bbc
Hearsay - but why let truth stand in the way of a good story. Got to find some way to stop Exeter winning eh? Can’t have those Westcountry upstarts upsetting the apple art....
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-_-
22/12/2020 17:17:13 19 6
bbc
Each time a game is cancelled and a 28 nil result is awarded it devalues the competition. Will the winners be the best team or the team that was luckiest with the virus?

On a different topic will Eddie pick the Saracens players for the 6Ns even though they won't have played a competitive game?
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22/12/2020 18:49:38 19 5
bbc
Of course he will, he doesn't have the imagination to play without them.
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23/12/2020 13:15:46 1 0
bbc
And because he keeps winning with them! If it ain't broke...
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22/12/2020 18:42:32 1 1
bbc
Well some have to get on a tube or a bus. I bet they are Covid hotspots.
Also a young apprentice on a construction site? do we really think he or she is protected. Not a chance.
I do understand your point of view however.
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22/12/2020 18:50:02 2 1
bbc
??
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22/12/2020 18:50:57 1 2
bbc
Awarding a 28-0 in this four game format is like telling the Chinese government the EU is imposing a 50% Covid Reparation tariff on all their goods.
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22/12/2020 18:57:42 7 5
bbc
The rules are da rules.

Scotland got pillored at the World Cup for complaining about similar... now it affects the favourites and it’s an issue?
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22/12/2020 19:32:39 2 5
bbc
Scotland was going to be a 0:0 draw. This is a bonus point loss. Vastly different
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jmw
22/12/2020 19:37:28 2 2
bbc
Big difference. In Japan it was Scottish team officials doing the complaining. As far as I’m aware Exeter self-declared their situation in full knowledge that would likely lead to them having to forfeit the match and have accepted their ‘punishment’ accordingly. Do you disagree?
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22/12/2020 18:44:18 14 6
bbc
What as surprise: Ashton's comment is Me ... Me ...Me.
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Bob
22/12/2020 18:58:34 5 2
bbc
Yes when asked about himself
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22/12/2020 19:02:14 2 1
bbc
thats how it should be in all sports... a forfeit is a forfeit
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22/12/2020 19:03:48 4 6
bbc
The European Cup is a farce, irrespective of the rules there is no competition where rules make it unplayable.

If there are games that have to be postponed the simply the result should be a draw. The nature of the numerous fixtures now called off...and subsequent results granted mean some teams have barely played 1 game and that’s it!

It pointless and there is now no credible champion this year
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22/12/2020 18:04:50 8 10
bbc
Will we ever get any welsh, Irish or Scottish ex pro’s on the line up or is it an England old boys club? Chris Jones (ALWAYS on the fence) plus 3 ex England players...

Should be renamed English premiership rugby weekly!
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22/12/2020 19:04:40 2 1
bbc
I get Wales online on my phone. Read a couple of their articles and you would think no one else could play rugby. Latest nonsense is Warburton’s best ever team he has faced. Guess what.? Two England players.
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23/12/2020 11:24:49 0 0
bbc
Welcome to our world...??
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22/12/2020 19:06:01 4 3
bbc
As this is a medical article on rugby I think my comments are relevant.

In the last 10 days there’s been 25 articles about concussion on rugby pages , but only 2 on football pages. At a time when 6 of the England 66 squad have recently died or been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.
Brain damage to sportsmen is a serious issue , but are rugby writers being over zealous or football ones negligent?
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22/12/2020 19:39:34 1 2
bbc
I suggest the latter.
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22/12/2020 19:49:35 1 1
bbc
The Daily Mail has been conducting a massive campaign about concussion in football and challenging the authorities to
make a difference .There were pages of it a few weeks ago and it is ongoing.It is just the rugby stuff is more prominent in the last 10 days.
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22/12/2020 19:06:56 10 4
bbc
Just got to make the best of it and so what if the best 8 don't all make the quarters. We are in the middle of a pandemic killing millions worldwide and people are worried about the fairness of 28-0. Well there's not much thats fair right now and I think its just great to have some top class rugby. I just hope the players are all being rigorous with the covid rules - I'm not always sure.
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22/12/2020 18:01:12 0 1
bbc
Can you please show your "harsh" comments when the Leicester vs Castres was cancelled. I cannot remember seeing comments saying that ruling was incorrect
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22/12/2020 19:07:12 0 1
bbc
Leicester have just had to cancel their game against Newcastle. Not sure what happens now
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22/12/2020 19:47:41 1 1
bbc
it dont get played thats what
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22/12/2020 18:00:09 5 12
bbc
The Uk is in a big mess does rugby really matter as it stands...be sensible and stop all games...unbelievable really.
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22/12/2020 19:07:15 2 2
bbc
Rugby does matter, if you feel it doesn't then you belong on a soccer HYS.
Rugby is the heart and soul of most close knit working class villages and towns in Wales your local club is the glue that keeps communities together.
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22/12/2020 18:43:55 5 3
bbc
Well, Ugo, they'll just have to make sure the protocols are followed promptly and properly, ensuring the utmost safety for all players and staff. Not harsh considering the devastating consequences of this horrific virus on society worldwide. A lesser penalty could lead to complacency and more cases and if that happens more likelihood of governments stopping elite sports.
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jmw
22/12/2020 19:07:47 5 5
bbc
Nope - the problem with such a harsh penalty is it actually provides some clubs with a strong incentive to not report cases knowing that they’re out of the competition if they do. Great credit therefore to the clubs so far who have had issues, reported them and taken the 28-0 forfeit results on the chin.
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22/12/2020 19:27:44 0 2
bbc
Covidgate you mean. Very unlikely, as the consequences of not reporting and later being found out would be profound and highly damaging, not just for the club but the sport as a whole.
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22/12/2020 17:57:20 16 12
bbc
Oh shush for pity’s sake Monye. Other teams, British and European, have managed to exist in their Covid bubbles, everyone signed up to this short format competition and knew the penalties if they had to forfeit. Can’t stand Glasgow but why should they have to now potentially lose matches 28-0 because Exeter rugby club and Chiefs’ players can’t abide by the rules?
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22/12/2020 19:08:38 0 1
bbc
Not potentially. Glasgow have had to forfeit
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22/12/2020 19:10:51 0 1
bbc
Given the latest tier 4 rules will all matches have to be called off within those areas?
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22/12/2020 19:31:31 3 1
bbc
Nah. Professional sport is in it's own special covid rules. Nothing is allowed to be cancelled on pain of death
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22/12/2020 19:15:13 5 5
bbc
The cancellations and the awarding of BP wins has diminished the European championships Cup. The qualifying 8 teams for the Quarters will not be the best teams. It has made a farce of the competition.
The most disappointing thing is that the rugby in some of the games has been a very good watch The competition needs to be cancelled. Any more call offs and a team could qualify without playing
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22/12/2020 18:31:03 7 4
bbc
Ashton justs sounds like the whinger he evidently was and is Oh Boo I got thumped coz I played poorly. What are odds on his retiring or moving soon
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22/12/2020 19:15:15 3 1
bbc
He showed that he actually gives a damn. What a whinger!
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22/12/2020 20:10:08 4 2
bbc
Only about how he looks "I havent lost like this since I was 18" He was happy to beat teams BIG whilst taking Sarries silver
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22/12/2020 19:22:36 14 4
bbc
As l said in the summer....can’t see how any meaningful rugby will played this year....surely it is not a surprise that with huge areas in lockdown everything will struggle. Hats off to gloucester and Munster last weekend, both were excellent in their games. Anyway, merry Xmas to all and well done bill bailey.
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22/12/2020 19:23:52 6 3
bbc
All clubs did sign up to this at outset, so harsh or not, they know the rules and can act accordingly.

I would also argue that a lot of it is within the players / club's own control: if the players aren't doing their utmost to avoid covid through, e.g. self isolation, and it impacts the club, then a 28-0 walkover doesn't necessarily feel wrong.

Not the case for all, I know, but principle holds.
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22/12/2020 19:27:57 1 1
bbc
I think this way about the people on the telly telling me how to go about my business and I have never caught it yet they all have!
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22/12/2020 19:31:19 2 2
bbc
Not everyone can avoid getting it but rugby players and politicians probably could.
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22/12/2020 17:50:54 0 1
bbc
It's his father, Doctor Frank O'Driscoll.
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22/12/2020 19:25:38 0 1
bbc
I was referring to Dr Barry O'Driscoll who is his or his father's second cousin but referred to as an uncle, very Irish. Personally my father insisted I stopped playing as a schoolboy because I was twice knocked slightly unconscious. It was just as well I was next to useless at the sport.
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jmw
22/12/2020 19:07:47 5 5
bbc
Nope - the problem with such a harsh penalty is it actually provides some clubs with a strong incentive to not report cases knowing that they’re out of the competition if they do. Great credit therefore to the clubs so far who have had issues, reported them and taken the 28-0 forfeit results on the chin.
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22/12/2020 19:27:44 0 2
bbc
Covidgate you mean. Very unlikely, as the consequences of not reporting and later being found out would be profound and highly damaging, not just for the club but the sport as a whole.
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22/12/2020 19:23:52 6 3
bbc
All clubs did sign up to this at outset, so harsh or not, they know the rules and can act accordingly.

I would also argue that a lot of it is within the players / club's own control: if the players aren't doing their utmost to avoid covid through, e.g. self isolation, and it impacts the club, then a 28-0 walkover doesn't necessarily feel wrong.

Not the case for all, I know, but principle holds.
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22/12/2020 19:27:57 1 1
bbc
I think this way about the people on the telly telling me how to go about my business and I have never caught it yet they all have!
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22/12/2020 19:29:51 3 2
bbc
with the condensed season they would have been better off not playing this competition this year - just stick to the domestic competitions with enough space to fit in postponed fixtures
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22/12/2020 19:23:52 6 3
bbc
All clubs did sign up to this at outset, so harsh or not, they know the rules and can act accordingly.

I would also argue that a lot of it is within the players / club's own control: if the players aren't doing their utmost to avoid covid through, e.g. self isolation, and it impacts the club, then a 28-0 walkover doesn't necessarily feel wrong.

Not the case for all, I know, but principle holds.
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22/12/2020 19:31:19 2 2
bbc
Not everyone can avoid getting it but rugby players and politicians probably could.
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22/12/2020 19:10:51 0 1
bbc
Given the latest tier 4 rules will all matches have to be called off within those areas?
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22/12/2020 19:31:31 3 1
bbc
Nah. Professional sport is in it's own special covid rules. Nothing is allowed to be cancelled on pain of death
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22/12/2020 18:57:42 7 5
bbc
The rules are da rules.

Scotland got pillored at the World Cup for complaining about similar... now it affects the favourites and it’s an issue?
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22/12/2020 19:32:39 2 5
bbc
Scotland was going to be a 0:0 draw. This is a bonus point loss. Vastly different
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22/12/2020 19:34:34 15 1
bbc
The competition was already a farce with expanded number but making sure everyone had to travel abroad for games with no domestic ties.

Vast majority of sports have been trying to limit unnecessary travel. European Rugby meanwhile insisted on maximising it
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22/12/2020 18:57:42 7 5
bbc
The rules are da rules.

Scotland got pillored at the World Cup for complaining about similar... now it affects the favourites and it’s an issue?
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jmw
22/12/2020 19:37:28 2 2
bbc
Big difference. In Japan it was Scottish team officials doing the complaining. As far as I’m aware Exeter self-declared their situation in full knowledge that would likely lead to them having to forfeit the match and have accepted their ‘punishment’ accordingly. Do you disagree?
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22/12/2020 21:05:11 2 2
bbc
Apologies. Should have been clearer. I totally agree with your points about Exeter.

However, there was little outcry from the Monyes of this world at an equally dubious World Cup ruling.

Ultimately my point was more that everyone knew what they were signing up for, but it’s interesting seeing the comeback when it’s “favourites” involved. Which Sergio Parisse called at the same World Cup!
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22/12/2020 19:06:01 4 3
bbc
As this is a medical article on rugby I think my comments are relevant.

In the last 10 days there’s been 25 articles about concussion on rugby pages , but only 2 on football pages. At a time when 6 of the England 66 squad have recently died or been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.
Brain damage to sportsmen is a serious issue , but are rugby writers being over zealous or football ones negligent?
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22/12/2020 19:39:34 1 2
bbc
I suggest the latter.
87
22/12/2020 19:42:46 2 6
bbc
Just cancel all professional sport , after all this is a particularly clever virus
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22/12/2020 19:50:09 0 3
bbc
Many happy shifts spent in the BOS plant not far from Taibach...... sad to hear you will be the last duke but in terms of your comment, bang on but very controversial. Still, when all games fail to take place then it will have to be considered as the right thing to do.
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jmw
22/12/2020 20:01:31 0 1
bbc
The continuation of professional sport whilst most of the world is in some form of lockdown does sit uneasily with me personally, but at the same time I acknowledge that it’s been a very welcome distraction at times. Sadly though I think that we are rapidly approaching the point where the integrity of this competition will be fatally compromised if there are too many more forfeits.
his comment puts him up there with Micah Richards as 1 of thickest "pundits"......clubs agreed this!! Removed
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22/12/2020 19:07:12 0 1
bbc
Leicester have just had to cancel their game against Newcastle. Not sure what happens now
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22/12/2020 19:47:41 1 1
bbc
it dont get played thats what
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22/12/2020 19:48:43 10 3
bbc
Exeter don't have anyone to blame. Their attitude to Covid has been questionable. In saying that the whole tournament has become a fiasco. Be as well getting a Camelot machine to draw the placings.
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22/12/2020 19:48:56 2 4
bbc
Is that not the same as allowing England to play one less game in the world cup?
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22/12/2020 21:17:07 4 2
bbc
Yes, its called the rules.
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22/12/2020 19:49:00 5 4
bbc
With regard the headline: "Concussion in rugby union affected 20% of professional players in England in 2018-19" I can believe that statement, especially when you see how England played in International matches that season.
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22/12/2020 19:06:01 4 3
bbc
As this is a medical article on rugby I think my comments are relevant.

In the last 10 days there’s been 25 articles about concussion on rugby pages , but only 2 on football pages. At a time when 6 of the England 66 squad have recently died or been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.
Brain damage to sportsmen is a serious issue , but are rugby writers being over zealous or football ones negligent?
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22/12/2020 19:49:35 1 1
bbc
The Daily Mail has been conducting a massive campaign about concussion in football and challenging the authorities to
make a difference .There were pages of it a few weeks ago and it is ongoing.It is just the rugby stuff is more prominent in the last 10 days.
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22/12/2020 20:09:39 1 1
bbc
good for the Mail.
However BBC is a global news outlet & bias in reporting is damaging rugby’s future growth.

Football has about 250 mil participants worldwide, rugby about 5 mil. The “dangers” are quite similar , particularly in women’s sport , yet the volume of articles would lead parents to believe rugby is significantly more dangerous & discourage participation.

Some balance, please ?
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22/12/2020 19:42:46 2 6
bbc
Just cancel all professional sport , after all this is a particularly clever virus
94
22/12/2020 19:50:09 0 3
bbc
Many happy shifts spent in the BOS plant not far from Taibach...... sad to hear you will be the last duke but in terms of your comment, bang on but very controversial. Still, when all games fail to take place then it will have to be considered as the right thing to do.
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22/12/2020 19:51:52 4 1
bbc
he has changed his turn as he was quick to jump on Sale after their positive test and has still to apologise
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22/12/2020 19:54:19 4 1
bbc
I have a feeling 28 - 0 might be the most common rugby scoreline this year. Must head to the bookies!
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22/12/2020 17:12:39 5 5
bbc
It will be interesting to see if any Scarlets players listed in the match 23 test positive in this weeks round of testing. If any do I expect the result of the Toulon game to be reversed on appeal.
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22/12/2020 19:54:52 3 2
bbc
Why European rugby checked, and past all the protocols concerning the scarlets, Toulon were also offered a delayed kick-off while the whole scarlets squad were re-tested.
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22/12/2020 19:55:00 2 3
bbc
Ron Atkinson
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23/12/2020 03:54:22 1 1
bbc
What’s Mr Bean got to do with it
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22/12/2020 19:42:46 2 6
bbc
Just cancel all professional sport , after all this is a particularly clever virus
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jmw
22/12/2020 20:01:31 0 1
bbc
The continuation of professional sport whilst most of the world is in some form of lockdown does sit uneasily with me personally, but at the same time I acknowledge that it’s been a very welcome distraction at times. Sadly though I think that we are rapidly approaching the point where the integrity of this competition will be fatally compromised if there are too many more forfeits.
100
22/12/2020 20:02:55 0 1
bbc
The variant Covid in Britain at the moment will probably mean the tournament is called off. English, Welsh and Scottish teams wont be able to travel abroad.
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22/12/2020 20:10:40 1 1
bbc
I fear the financial implications for everyone in that instance, although I fear you may be right.
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22/12/2020 21:58:53 1 1
bbc
Professional sport is exempt.