Covid: New variant found ‘due to hard work of UK scientists’
22/12/2020 | news | health | 1,005
Similar new variants of the coronavirus may be circulating undetected around the world, scientists say.
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22/12/2020 18:10:34 166 19
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All of you on the comments section yesterday claiming it was the English plague, oh dear oh dear . Get you apology in now. ??
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22/12/2020 19:38:20 7 103
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English plague it is
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22/12/2020 21:25:51 15 3
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For the SNP the english are to blame for everything. If they hated any other group they'd be banned as racist.
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22/12/2020 22:02:18 0 2
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alas the world still calls it the English plague.
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22/12/2020 23:26:01 3 0
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No ideology or country or religion can be held responsible for the mutation of a virus. Just be glad of the efforts of scientists just like the BBC suggests.
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22/12/2020 18:10:56 2 23
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Covid: New variant found ‘due to hard work of UK scientists’

... well, who else would find it ?

... a Dustbin Man ?

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22/12/2020 18:15:09 15 1
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Seriously? It’s probably already rife in other countries that dont have the scientific expertise to uncover it.
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TC
22/12/2020 18:15:36 0 1
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Scientists all around the world... but the point is they didn't.
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22/12/2020 18:12:18 312 4
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Stark contrast to the way China covered the initial outbreak, and yet there were no travel bans for months. The endless politicising on all sides of this pandemic is shameful
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22/12/2020 18:16:27 65 30
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With the same logic as BBC.

China has an established pandemic surveillance System since 2003 SARS. That means if COVID19 is to be found anywhere it would be China first.
Removed
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22/12/2020 21:49:35 2 4
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In case you did not know the Covid variant from China 99.9% stayed in China and is not responsible for infecting the world. This is why there is a strong case against Western narratives the virus originate from China. Of course nearly everyone here reads only Western news and its opinions.
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22/12/2020 22:48:20 0 1
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A travel ban applied by one country alpine is pointless though. US being an example. Ignoring that three ban didn't apply to US citizens coming from China, it was obvious that if there was any spread from China, it would reach the US by indirect routes as well.
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23/12/2020 10:57:05 0 0
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China was against repatriation of the UK citizens for exactly the same reason. British govt insists. Planeful of Brits got home, with no masks, no protection, no contact tracing
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22/12/2020 18:12:45 144 2
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So we picked up the mutation as did Denmark and the Dutch because of superior surveillance. Somehow it skipped France on its way here or on its way there. Good to hear from Prof Peacock, I thought he was stuck in the study with the lead pipe.
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22/12/2020 18:31:26 76 1
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"For example, Public Health Wales sequenced about 4,000 genomes in the past week, more than the whole of France since the beginning of the pandemic."
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22/12/2020 21:16:14 1 0
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she
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22/12/2020 18:12:46 819 38
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It is interesting that this thread is getting no comments. "Dirty, incompetent, slack, ill prepared, careless" are all epithets that I have seen thrown at UK - and particularly England - as the first place to find Variant COVID. We found it so we must be the irresponsible source - hence shut down borders by France. Reality is that UK Is brilliant at genomics and we are first to spot new strain.
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22/12/2020 18:16:40 519 40
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Correct. However, that will not fit the agendas of lots of anti UK posters on here
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22/12/2020 18:29:03 12 92
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Doesn't matter though. We, well Hancock, our boy Health Minister, shot us in the foot....yet again.
Our feet must be like pin cushions.
We have set ourselves up for this since the Referendum and other countries and particularly the French delight in rubbing it in.
Our success in Europe was always at the direct cost to French influence and they can't believe their luck.
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22/12/2020 18:26:44 2 51
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Hahaha!!!
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22/12/2020 18:37:33 4 61
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Smelt it dealt it
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22/12/2020 18:47:44 15 37
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And China builds a world-leading SARS-Covid lab in the place where there seems to be a source of coronaviruses in order to better study them, and the world assumes the viruses now comes from the lab!
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22/12/2020 18:48:34 4 42
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Lol - Kentish Flu
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22/12/2020 18:55:09 22 30
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Aren't these the comments people in the south threw at us lot (wrongly) in the north west though just a couple of months ago? Funny how its now such a disaster while we've been living lockdown for most of 2020.
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22/12/2020 18:46:54 3 13
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yet they don't know where the sample of the new strain came from
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22/12/2020 19:04:16 25 67
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No they are not thrown at the UK just a corrupt tory government led by a Clown & his circus. No normal person as criticised the health service it's the Tory's that spent 10 years running it down.
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22/12/2020 19:12:56 41 47
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UK science is world class, our government however is anything but.
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22/12/2020 19:15:28 11 40
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UK did not spot it first, it was seen months ago in different countries. This continuation of johnsonian lies is shocking
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22/12/2020 19:18:25 20 2
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I can't believe this variant hasn't already found its way abroad. How do we know it didn't come from abroad?
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22/12/2020 19:25:53 21 5
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All true, but not because of Brexit, either...

Unfortunately, the art of balanced debate left the UK in 2016...
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22/12/2020 19:29:18 23 0
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we also tend to post lots of data that shows spread by region etc - is this same level of data available for scrutiny by Joe Public in other countries? Does no data mean it doesnt exist? Well done UK science bods
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22/12/2020 19:46:22 7 0
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This is a deeply technical clinical complex subject. Of course, there cannot be any proof published, therefore we have to believe.
It's probably a lot to do with the fact that we get a lot of bull from our leaders all the time. People expect this to be bull alongside all the other bull. Give it a few days and if it has not been proved to be bull, then people will start to believe it.
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22/12/2020 19:53:17 11 25
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Nationalist crap making a Waterloo comment out of a crisis as if we do not have probably the worst managed crisis in the world by this idiot PM and his cohorts including the Sage highly paid drama queen's.
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22/12/2020 19:54:00 15 10
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Sorry I haven’t noticed any politicians sequencing genomes. I have a lot of faith in the competence of UK scientists & researchers & not just because the majority who expressed a view supported remain. I have zero confidence in a govt who have consistently made bad choices followed by u-turns often after the damage has been done. Brexit & covid response haven’t respected expertise until too late
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22/12/2020 20:07:33 2 2
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Plenty of comments from the 77th brigade ??
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22/12/2020 20:07:48 0 8
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State propaganda
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22/12/2020 20:16:50 1 6
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I'd rather the UK take the blame than the US, as it protects the Special Relationship.
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22/12/2020 20:17:02 5 1
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Many good things here, but one thing that is typical of the inefficiency and stupidity of this country is giving parking tickets to lorry drivers that can't do anything about it. When we're not so daft perhaps more of us will cherish this place.
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22/12/2020 20:22:53 6 0
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And apparently because we 'found' it... we own it?

No mention of Amsterdam or Minks required.
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22/12/2020 20:28:22 2 7
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to all those in awe that the UK spotted a new variant keep your hats on, this virus has been mutating since day 1 the variants have been spotted round the world this one in September it was negligent of the government to hide for three months, we do not know what other countries are doing and it would be prudent to scrutinise this government and ignore the rest, w
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22/12/2020 20:59:36 5 5
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Well done to the scientists who have spotted this. There are some excellent scientists in the UK and no one has ever denied this. The govt. has drawn a lot of criticism, and given we have the highest excess death rate, the worst hit economy and spent the most (a lot with people with govt. connections), I think this criticism is legitimate.
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22/12/2020 21:14:54 3 2
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Do share all these "Dirty, incompetent, slack, ill prepared, careless" posts - I cannot find a single one....
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22/12/2020 21:19:05 2 2
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But most of the Rule Brittannia Brigade are still ranting on the Brexit thread. Competition is tough!
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22/12/2020 21:28:12 2 4
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Instead of selling the work done by UK scientists in a positive way the government blundered the news out that caused wide spread panic.
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22/12/2020 18:13:34 4 12
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Ok the experts know the problem so why don’t we just lockdown yes mental health, economy will suffer but nothing compared to the avalanche of deaths if we don’t
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22/12/2020 18:13:49 289 14
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First discovered right by the port areas but absolutely nothing to do with Europe
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22/12/2020 18:16:40 215 14
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At the gateways to Europe , channel tunnel, Dover ferries and London airports. Strange that those are the epicentre. ?????
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22/12/2020 18:16:43 13 5
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Spooky eh
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22/12/2020 18:32:19 33 4
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It doesn’t matter where it started, the point is its been found and countries that have low instances of the new variant can now benefit from top class scientists to prevent deaths and illness going forward. I am bewildered that the borders can be shut down to prevent food imports but the French are happy to allow desperate, poor migrants to cross the Chanel and risk their lives. Hypocritical.
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22/12/2020 18:58:06 4 14
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Probably all those inbred fishermen, they haven’t got much to do nowadays as too stupid to retrain and too lazy to fish
Wow, trumpian conspiracy theorist with a johnsonian propensity to lie
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22/12/2020 22:02:17 1 0
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Movement in ports is two way.
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22/12/2020 22:27:42 0 0
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POSSIBLY?? OUR UNINVITED GUESTS???
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22/12/2020 18:13:58 33 28
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It's been around since September apparently, so it's ability to spread ain't that good.
Took a dim witted Health Secretary to blurt out a scare message on TV to create the current mess - way overblown and playing into the EU's hands.
Yet another horrendous cockup from the Buffon and his cast of idiots
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22/12/2020 19:59:30 4 0
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A scientist from University of East Anglia explained it very well on TV yesterday. The first 'mutation' case is the base point. If it doubles every week / 2 weeks, so that 1 case becomes 2, becomes 4, becomes 8 etc, it takes quite a while to really take off. and then it spreads like wildfire, which is what we are seeing now, months later.
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22/12/2020 18:14:12 435 45
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We put our hand up and tell the world that we have found a new variant of Covid 19 and get shunned for our efforts. Why do we bother to share privileged information with countries that pretend to be our "friends". This virus was always going to change, that is what viruses do.
Our government needs to remember that the next time we make new discoveries that will benefit the world.
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22/12/2020 18:19:45 236 19
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In the meantime, China claim no deaths and claim they no longer have any Covid cases.
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22/12/2020 18:35:07 23 38
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The rest of the world are quite rightly doing what they think is necessary to restrict the spread or introduction of the virus
No different to what we would need to do if the roles were reversed,we are not being shunned
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22/12/2020 19:41:19 24 6
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Maybe its because they all adhere to the rules and where masks, no exceptions.
Country is too soft with approach to the virus, stop people flouting rules.
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MrW
22/12/2020 19:47:22 5 7
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Well done. You've fabricated an unnecessary angle to suit your own prejudices. Shame on you.
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22/12/2020 19:57:18 4 1
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Yes the UK did tell everybody; eventually.
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22/12/2020 22:21:04 2 0
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This is similar to the story of the De Havilland Comet jet plane, the first jet passenger plane in the world. This was a British development and when it started to crash with alarming regularity it was the British who thoroughly investigated the causes. The results (don't use oval windows but square ) were shared immediately with the world, to the detriment of Britain and the benefit of the world.
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22/12/2020 22:32:17 3 2
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Why does it always end up in comments like this - “us” and “them”. We are one world and it would be a better place if we could all remember that.
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23/12/2020 09:42:48 1 0
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Does anyone outside China believe anything their dictators tell us?
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22/12/2020 18:14:51 3 16
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Always there are foreigneirs to be blamed
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22/12/2020 18:16:30 4 5
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If the cap fits.
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22/12/2020 18:15:06 10 20
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There are variants all over the world those idiot scientists have just declared the UK as pariah of the world lol
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22/12/2020 18:10:56 2 23
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Covid: New variant found ‘due to hard work of UK scientists’

... well, who else would find it ?

... a Dustbin Man ?

.
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22/12/2020 18:15:09 15 1
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Seriously? It’s probably already rife in other countries that dont have the scientific expertise to uncover it.
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22/12/2020 18:15:22 46 14
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Could they spend a bit more time getting the Oxford vaccine approved and out ASAP rather than spending all this lab time on issue that will simply trip us up.

Honesty and openness with the science is not proving the best policy in this pandemic.

Whatever any scientist says will just get twisted for political agendas, both here and overseas.
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22/12/2020 19:12:03 31 2
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this has no impact on approval,

the UK has some of the best scientists and research capacity in the world.
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22/12/2020 20:29:28 3 0
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My god that was painful to read.

If they hadn't studied the virus (sequencing) then no one would have known about this strain, and maybe how easier it spreads etc.
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22/12/2020 22:18:51 0 0
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I disagree - they are two separate issues and can't be linked together. We need to understand the behaviour of the virus, so that the vaccines can be tweaked if it becomes necessary. Fortunately the new strain doesn't seem to be resistant. Great job identifying the mutation. I think it's probably spread already, and may not have originated here - we just found it.
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22/12/2020 22:34:52 0 0
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still waiting to hear some genuine honesty.
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22/12/2020 18:10:56 2 23
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Covid: New variant found ‘due to hard work of UK scientists’

... well, who else would find it ?

... a Dustbin Man ?

.
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TC
22/12/2020 18:15:36 0 1
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Scientists all around the world... but the point is they didn't.
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Ann
22/12/2020 18:15:43 7 15
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It’s good what UK is doing in genome sequencing. But don’t use science for politics. The mess we are right now is because of that. The govt’s weapons grade technique to justify new restrictions has backfired.
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22/12/2020 18:12:18 312 4
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Stark contrast to the way China covered the initial outbreak, and yet there were no travel bans for months. The endless politicising on all sides of this pandemic is shameful
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22/12/2020 18:16:27 65 30
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With the same logic as BBC.

China has an established pandemic surveillance System since 2003 SARS. That means if COVID19 is to be found anywhere it would be China first.
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22/12/2020 18:19:27 19 2
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And China only had about 3000 deaths, so they tell everyone. ??
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22/12/2020 19:02:56 29 3
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Except they pressured the Dr who first reported it to shut up and didn’t actually report it for months. Despite there being clear evidence of a new contagion.
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22/12/2020 19:23:01 18 2
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Yes and covered up
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22/12/2020 19:25:00 11 2
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Bullshit it is a dictatorship.
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22/12/2020 21:42:35 6 1
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Indeed, however it would have been nice of them to share that information internally, and then externally rather than hushing it up until it spread far and wide.
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22/12/2020 21:40:20 7 3
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have they found the missing doctor yet in china , as his friend who tried to warn the world died of covid, WHO are now a year later allowed into china to investigate , you might as well send roger daltry and pete townsend, they will just be told lies
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22/12/2020 22:08:53 1 3
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Has anybody been to an abattoir?!
The Cruelty! These “Live Animal” Markets go beyond “Gross”. Any wonder why we as a Civilisation is going backwards. Have you ever looked into an animals eyes. In the field, of wherever?! Proven kangaroos can ask Beseech Humans for help & we still do this!!!!!!! Then we wonder why these disease transmit. DISGUSTING! No other word for it! Is cannibalism okay?
23/12/2020 21:55:41 0 0
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Well that is because the Virus CAME from China in the first place!! dooh!
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22/12/2020 18:13:49 289 14
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First discovered right by the port areas but absolutely nothing to do with Europe
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22/12/2020 18:16:40 215 14
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At the gateways to Europe , channel tunnel, Dover ferries and London airports. Strange that those are the epicentre. ?????
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22/12/2020 22:03:11 4 0
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If only the Tories had closed the airports, eh?
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23/12/2020 06:58:46 0 0
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Stupidity having one major port even though it is the shortest route ( well from the south anyway ) Hull to Rotterdam should be developed more to take the pressure off Dover !
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22/12/2020 18:12:46 819 38
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It is interesting that this thread is getting no comments. "Dirty, incompetent, slack, ill prepared, careless" are all epithets that I have seen thrown at UK - and particularly England - as the first place to find Variant COVID. We found it so we must be the irresponsible source - hence shut down borders by France. Reality is that UK Is brilliant at genomics and we are first to spot new strain.
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22/12/2020 18:16:40 519 40
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Correct. However, that will not fit the agendas of lots of anti UK posters on here
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22/12/2020 18:55:55 5 25
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Suppose you are the patriotic type that hates our capital ?
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22/12/2020 19:53:25 14 9
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Anti UK posters? You make it sound as if the country is full of people who hate the UK. Just because they aren't waving flags every chance they get doesn't mean they hate the country.

People are allowed to have their own opinion surely?
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22/12/2020 20:27:03 3 7
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My mother always used to say that pride comes before a fall. Yes we should acknowledge brilliance in this and other countries. Unfortunately our PM chose to brag about it resulting in borders being shut. Mothers are usually right.
Yes, but you have to admit, UK is fu*king rubbish anyway. A turd of an island. Removed
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22/12/2020 21:23:46 6 1
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The UK has some of the best genetic labs in the world (and other lab types as well), although that will not fit the agenda of most of the UK hater, forgien and domestic.
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22/12/2020 18:13:49 289 14
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First discovered right by the port areas but absolutely nothing to do with Europe
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22/12/2020 18:16:43 13 5
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Spooky eh
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22/12/2020 18:11:20 146 18
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Best in the world. Trouble is we are too honest, we could have hidden this for months and then closed our borders like our so called EU friends did.
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:19:36 41 4
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I think the Chinese have already tried that one!
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22/12/2020 18:22:18 0 7
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Honest or eager the rule with iron fist?
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22/12/2020 18:27:05 9 1
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"Do things for people not because of who they are or what they do in return, but because of who you are" Rabbi Harold S. Kushner.
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22/12/2020 20:22:40 4 3
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We closed our borders when the Netherlands found their strain linked to mink.

It's what everyone does during a pandemic. Not some Tory wish of hating each other.
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23/12/2020 03:54:49 0 0
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With friends like that we do not need enemies
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22/12/2020 18:17:14 262 16
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UK scientists leading the way as usual.
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22/12/2020 18:28:13 33 358
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Absolute and utter nonsense!! Don’t be fooled by the propaganda!
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22/12/2020 18:58:47 4 32
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If only the government had listened maybe we’d have fewer cases and deaths
They did not as they did not find this first, usual lies by johnsonian brigade and the fools or #toenails believe it
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22/12/2020 20:56:13 4 3
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Our scientists really are world class. We have a well earned place at the top table for science.

Our politicians, however.....
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22/12/2020 22:00:24 0 0
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LOL
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22/12/2020 22:27:27 0 0
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No. Globally, but good to feel patriotic, hopeful!

Might be good to remember-we ARE A GLOBAL FAMILY?! Or should be?!!!
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22/12/2020 18:17:26 16 16
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Scientists at Sage have identified the source of the new variant. It is Matt Hancock who has been out of control for most of 2020
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22/12/2020 18:21:55 1 8
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I'll drink to that !!
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22/12/2020 18:17:51 3 13
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Oh yeah, we're world beating at everything ??
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22/12/2020 18:21:21 23 4
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Well we've spotted it and declared it to the world unlike the Chinese who persecuted the doctor who identified the original strain.

Please go educate yourself, Guardian reader.
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22/12/2020 18:36:27 0 1
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The trouble with living in an advanced and free society with every opportunity at your feet is that you grow so comfortable with and used to it that you start to whine and complain in the same way a rich teenage girl does about her iPhone not being the latest model. Feel free to move.
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22/12/2020 18:17:58 239 34
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Wonder why Germany has been suffering a spike in cases recently. Couldn't possibly have been because of the variant now could it. Macron proving to be a bit of a clown - definitely no French cheeses on our Christmas cheese board, nor will there be any French wine on the table
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22/12/2020 18:21:23 124 8
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I've got a bottle of New Zealand wine on the table at the moment !!
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22/12/2020 18:22:07 6 18
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Yep I did the same with UK produce after Tony Blair murdered his way across the Middle East and the Balkans. Futile gesture but makes you feel better
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Dan
22/12/2020 18:24:20 13 8
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I dare say the food on all our tables after Dec 31st will start being different. Luckily I love turnips.
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TD
22/12/2020 18:27:58 18 1
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I couple of bottles of South African white on our table this christmas
How pathetic!
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22/12/2020 19:07:14 28 4
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Well French produce is now banned in our house
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22/12/2020 19:25:47 19 1
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I've gone Aussie wine this Christmas in support of them while China tries to crush them, and have been buying unusual british cheeses for years, tehre are many, and they are excellent, you just need to dig around to find small local cheese makers.
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22/12/2020 20:18:12 0 17
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How pathetic your comment is.
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22/12/2020 20:42:48 3 3
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How petty. Punish the French people for something their government did.
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22/12/2020 21:27:18 6 0
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I Highly reccomend Godminster Farm Cheddar if you can find it.
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22/12/2020 21:57:56 4 0
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We've done the same. Finishing off our French wine and buying lots from South Africa.
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22/12/2020 22:11:13 5 1
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Macron is many things but"clown" wouldn't be one of them, he no way makes me laugh. They would never post what I would want to call him but I would pick him up by his throat if I ever met him. We don't need enemies when we have friends like him.
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22/12/2020 22:12:13 1 0
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Good on you
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22/12/2020 22:25:18 1 0
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Somerset brie is way better!
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22/12/2020 22:27:22 3 2
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Well said

My Camembert just went in the bin and I bought a 6 POUND - sod kilos !! Lump of cheddar took its place
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22/12/2020 22:44:15 1 2
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No French cheese or wine - that's your loss
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22/12/2020 22:54:44 3 2
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Exactly DJL. The UK has always led the way and the EU try to claim the credit. They say we must not drop our standards! Well HELLO!! they are OUR standards so look at yourselves EU. The only thing that a UK citizen can do is to stop buying EU goods so well done you. If enough people do the same that will help send them a message they might listen to.
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23/12/2020 00:39:02 2 1
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Spot on. Our family made a decision a while back to not buy European goods where practicable. We've had remarkable success sourcing all sorts of goods from our Commonwealth partners and other non EU states. The European governments have waged a war with us as we leave the EU to try to make us change our minds and this blockade is another kick for us. We shall prevail.
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23/12/2020 03:52:35 2 1
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I am inclined to remove anything french from my view
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22/12/2020 18:19:02 318 18
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Classic game of shoot the messenger. Macron is obviously disappointed the scientific expertise is apparently all on this side of the English Channel.
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22/12/2020 18:54:42 241 4
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Correct.
And what are the chances that if France (who have done less genome testing in 10 months than Wales did last week) gave 1,000 random samples to the UK to sequence, I wonder if we would find the same variant over there at similar levels to here (and stop this whole closing the border nonsense).
France simply doesn't know if they have it or not, because they don't/can't test for it!
Wrong . . . again
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22/12/2020 20:03:38 6 37
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Why the anti French rhetoric? We left the EU under a barrage of lies, illegal law changes, and have been forcing innocent travellers into 14 days of house arrest, when our Covid rates are worse than virtually any where. If you want a war you may get it. French trawlermen will blockade Calais anyway! Congratulations!
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VoR
22/12/2020 22:49:08 0 0
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CERN is on this side of the channel too?
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23/12/2020 00:10:54 1 0
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The French are good at quite a lot of branches of science, just like us and the Dutch and the Germans. Progress has depended on sharing knowledge.
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SP
22/12/2020 18:19:22 544 20
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UK facing punishment for finding it and honestly alerting the world

Mutation happening in every nation. Most of them are not even testing it.
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22/12/2020 18:43:55 366 5
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Exactly. You cannot find what you are not looking for.

If Wales has performed more genome sequencing in the last week than the whole of France has in the last 10 months then who is to say France doesn't have/hasn't had similar variants. France just aren't looking for them!
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22/12/2020 19:24:09 12 11
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The issue is you’re looking at the borders being shut as punishment. Netherlands discovered the cross over between Mink and humans. We closed out boarders as did the rest of the world. Stop with the us vs them we would have done the same the other way around.
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22/12/2020 19:53:36 7 3
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No were not. Not being punished.

If you find a hand grenade and tell everyone, they don't come and hug you. They lock the door until they know it's safe.
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22/12/2020 20:22:13 1 7
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Taking things at face value it seems that BoJo alerted the world on Saturday resulting in the current chaos. He knew about it on Friday that is when he should have been liaising with his counterparts. Might have averted most of the current level of chaos which will eventually filter down to the shops just after Christmas.
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22/12/2020 21:42:59 1 10
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Sorry but the UK knew about this new variant three months ago and cant be bothered to alert the world till now. Could it be to strengthen their hand in the Brexit negotiation or another attempt at herd immunity gone wrong again.
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22/12/2020 18:16:27 65 30
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With the same logic as BBC.

China has an established pandemic surveillance System since 2003 SARS. That means if COVID19 is to be found anywhere it would be China first.
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22/12/2020 18:19:27 19 2
bbc
And China only had about 3000 deaths, so they tell everyone. ??
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22/12/2020 21:34:54 3 4
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But you know otherwise, right?
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22/12/2020 21:54:38 5 5
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And we believe every word China says don't we? They probably created the darn thing and knew about it for months, told nobody and let their go off on jollies all round the world . Don't you just love 'em
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22/12/2020 18:11:20 146 18
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Best in the world. Trouble is we are too honest, we could have hidden this for months and then closed our borders like our so called EU friends did.
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:19:36 41 4
bbc
I think the Chinese have already tried that one!
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22/12/2020 18:14:12 435 45
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We put our hand up and tell the world that we have found a new variant of Covid 19 and get shunned for our efforts. Why do we bother to share privileged information with countries that pretend to be our "friends". This virus was always going to change, that is what viruses do.
Our government needs to remember that the next time we make new discoveries that will benefit the world.
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22/12/2020 18:19:45 236 19
bbc
In the meantime, China claim no deaths and claim they no longer have any Covid cases.
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22/12/2020 18:39:08 66 2
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China always a reliable source of information. I would always trust a country that has to actually deny it has concentration camps.
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22/12/2020 19:06:47 17 8
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But don’t forget, China initially had a particularly virulent strain didn’t they? After all, we saw images of people of all ages collapsing in the street with Covid and bodies piled up in corridors.

Or were they...?
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22/12/2020 19:11:36 21 9
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And the irony is they have closed down the visa service to UK citizens. Hope no-one minds when we reinstate our sovereignty on 1st Jan.......?
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22/12/2020 19:12:37 47 8
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Ever notice no HYS on Chinese related news items? Don't want to upset anyone?
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22/12/2020 19:19:36 16 1
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It's a Christmas miracle! This virus is sentient and likes the Chinese, and the North Koreans!
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22/12/2020 19:23:46 49 5
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Yes, I find the number of cases in China quite odd. As in not enough. 1.2 billion people and effectively sod all cases. Mmm mendacious.
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22/12/2020 19:28:12 25 3
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I was dubious about this initially but, given the virus can’t spread itself (it can’t walk, run, jump, fly, basically it needs us to spread it) if you do a proper lockdown, one in which everyone obeys the rules to the letter, the virus will die off completely. Very quickly too. China is one of the few countries in the world that can actually lock its citizens down in such a manner.
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22/12/2020 19:38:50 44 5
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Isn’t marvellous that China have now agreed to allow an investigation by the WHO, at the lab in Wuhan. They have only had 9 months to clean things up!
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22/12/2020 19:42:16 1 1
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Of course they don't.
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22/12/2020 19:51:49 2 1
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Well apart from the almost 5000 and rising deaths. They claim their deaths in the 10s because of how they deal with their people.

Maybe we should outsource our handling to them...
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22/12/2020 19:52:28 0 2
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They all dead?
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22/12/2020 21:48:14 4 3
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If that statement is true, do you think they manufactured an antidote before releasing it to the rest or the world. Fair question because a lot of me thinks it could be a form of germ warfare that most of the world hasn't woken up to yet.
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22/12/2020 22:01:34 3 3
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China the worlds biggest liars
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22/12/2020 22:33:24 3 1
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I suspect that they might be fibbing.
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Rog
22/12/2020 23:32:45 3 1
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And they are keeping the WHO team of inspectors away from a suspect lab in Wuhan..almost a year after Covid-19 first detected China has disclosed no reports positively identifying the animal source of the virus-- this is very suspicious as China clear;y has the capability...
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23/12/2020 00:37:23 0 0
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And in 1919 onwards, 200 million people died worldwide from Spanish flu, 2 million in the UK. It was called Spanish flu because they identified it while the world was fighting WW1.
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23/12/2020 09:30:41 0 1
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Easy to do when they created it and had a vaccine ready all along
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23/12/2020 10:55:30 1 0
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Where did you see that? China claims new cases everyday except they are low numbers. Only diff is Chinese government never said "do not wear mask unless you're sick" and their lockdown means lockdown, not lockdown after 10pm
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22/12/2020 18:14:52 2 13
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Hopefully here we can have a discussion that doesn't degenrate into a remainer vs leaver food fight - but I won't hold my breath. Interesting though isn't it that the country to first start vaccinating suddenly has a new variant 'unleashed' on it. I'm not one for consipracies, but it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?
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22/12/2020 18:22:18 9 1
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Not really.
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22/12/2020 18:25:02 2 2
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No coincidence. We have the set-up and Science to detect this and it was spotted in September way before we started our Vaccine programme. The fact that it was detected in Kent could mean this is where it was imported, but we don't have the evidence to back this up yet.
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22/12/2020 18:30:56 1 1
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The first country to start vaccinating because we have a solid medical board who were able to vet the available vaccines quickly. The first country to discover variants because we are doing more than half the entire world's research. Not really a coincidence, just a case of having a strong scientific heritage and infrastructure.
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22/12/2020 18:34:24 0 1
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You obviously didn't read the article did you.

Please read it again and then try and understand why the UK has picked up this new variant whereas other countries have not.

Wales completed more genetic sequencing last week than the whole of France has completed since February. That is why it has appeared here, because we were actually looking for it!
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22/12/2020 18:17:51 3 13
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Oh yeah, we're world beating at everything ??
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22/12/2020 18:21:21 23 4
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Well we've spotted it and declared it to the world unlike the Chinese who persecuted the doctor who identified the original strain.

Please go educate yourself, Guardian reader.
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22/12/2020 18:38:39 1 1
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We spotted it in Sept
We put London in tier 4, after a couple of days of tier3, in December, to stop the spread
Because we’re ‘ahead’ of the virus that is now already being found across England, U.K. and other countries
After everywhere but London was told to put up and shut up, but they had to ‘protect’ London from tier 3
But you keep running with what you believe...
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:17:58 239 34
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Wonder why Germany has been suffering a spike in cases recently. Couldn't possibly have been because of the variant now could it. Macron proving to be a bit of a clown - definitely no French cheeses on our Christmas cheese board, nor will there be any French wine on the table
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22/12/2020 18:21:23 124 8
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I've got a bottle of New Zealand wine on the table at the moment !!
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22/12/2020 19:39:27 5 0
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So have I. 2 in fact. One is empty you slacker! ;)
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22/12/2020 22:01:30 0 1
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ugh, poor you
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22/12/2020 23:16:10 0 0
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Lovely
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23/12/2020 07:00:45 0 0
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Haven't bought anything French for years, since they did their atom bomb testing in the pacific, against the worlds wishes
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23/12/2020 13:05:54 0 0
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Cheers.
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22/12/2020 18:21:26 4 24
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Well done british scientists, thanks to you we are now locked on this island. Apart from that, it will not change anything. Just another strain of a virus that doesn't harm the absolute majority of people. Long live the science!
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22/12/2020 18:26:00 10 1
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Yeah, it's a shame that 1.7 million people weren't in the majority. 1.7 million people who died under massive worldwide lockdowns. Now imagine that death toll without all of these measures in place.
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22/12/2020 18:30:43 0 1
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Ok, what if the british scientists never told us about the virus, hmm what do you think would've happened? Wheres your evidence to backup your claim that it doe'snt harm the majority of people, if any1 reads your comment & believes it to be true & therefore catches it as they thought themseleves to be invunerable, how would that make you feel
Get evidence to backup your claim, stop spreading crap.
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22/12/2020 18:21:40 1 16
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well, this is an extremely racist headline from the BBC

we expect more. or do we?
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22/12/2020 18:32:59 0 1
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How is this headline racist?
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22/12/2020 18:17:26 16 16
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Scientists at Sage have identified the source of the new variant. It is Matt Hancock who has been out of control for most of 2020
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22/12/2020 18:21:55 1 8
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I'll drink to that !!
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:17:58 239 34
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Wonder why Germany has been suffering a spike in cases recently. Couldn't possibly have been because of the variant now could it. Macron proving to be a bit of a clown - definitely no French cheeses on our Christmas cheese board, nor will there be any French wine on the table
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22/12/2020 18:22:07 6 18
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Yep I did the same with UK produce after Tony Blair murdered his way across the Middle East and the Balkans. Futile gesture but makes you feel better
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:26:20 34 3
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Not so futile gesture if a lot of people did it. French wine producers already on the skids by US tariffs and a hell of a lot of cheese comes over from France. Been enjoyable looking at some of the lesser known UK cheeses
23/12/2020 22:05:55 0 0
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Just crawl back into your little shell!!
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22/12/2020 18:14:52 2 13
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Hopefully here we can have a discussion that doesn't degenrate into a remainer vs leaver food fight - but I won't hold my breath. Interesting though isn't it that the country to first start vaccinating suddenly has a new variant 'unleashed' on it. I'm not one for consipracies, but it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?
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22/12/2020 18:22:18 9 1
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Not really.
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22/12/2020 18:11:20 146 18
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Best in the world. Trouble is we are too honest, we could have hidden this for months and then closed our borders like our so called EU friends did.
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22/12/2020 18:22:18 0 7
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Honest or eager the rule with iron fist?
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22/12/2020 18:15:57 40 13
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There is a jealousy towards the UK.
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22/12/2020 18:24:06 23 1
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if people are jealous of the UK, they just get a boat over
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22/12/2020 18:35:13 7 7
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Of what? Working 14 hour days (and weekends), sky high property prices and train tickets, very high taxes (including council taxes), and a healthcare system that requires you to pay for private insurance. I am really struggling to work out what is so great - we then have to watch TV or read the press on how wealthy people and royals in this country spend money that has been handed to them.
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22/12/2020 20:31:22 2 1
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You do realise that we closed borders with Netherlands when they found their mink strain right?

Nothing to do with EU/leave/remain/whatever.

A new strain of a disease makes people panic so borders get closed.
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22/12/2020 23:49:56 2 0
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I more feel sorry for us than anything else eg Price for Moderna is $37 per dose for UK, and $18 per dose for EU. More "winning".
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22/12/2020 18:14:51 3 16
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Always there are foreigneirs to be blamed
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22/12/2020 18:16:30 4 5
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If the cap fits.
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22/12/2020 18:15:57 40 13
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There is a jealousy towards the UK.
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22/12/2020 18:24:06 23 1
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if people are jealous of the UK, they just get a boat over
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22/12/2020 18:29:55 0 1
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in god sailing weather they do.
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CR
22/12/2020 18:24:12 3 5
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Power of media, abused. A common scientific event told in a 'Julvern' style story. Success for journalism, an unnecessary crisis for the world.
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:17:58 239 34
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Wonder why Germany has been suffering a spike in cases recently. Couldn't possibly have been because of the variant now could it. Macron proving to be a bit of a clown - definitely no French cheeses on our Christmas cheese board, nor will there be any French wine on the table
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Dan
22/12/2020 18:24:20 13 8
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I dare say the food on all our tables after Dec 31st will start being different. Luckily I love turnips.
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22/12/2020 18:24:21 2 6
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29th October 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

"The South East, South West, east of England and London all have an R above 2.0"

Could it be that the version then was either this mutation or the "father"?

Also raises the obvious question, why has it taken nearly 2 months to do anything...?
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22/12/2020 18:32:34 5 1
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Because 2 months ago this new variant accounted for 0.25% of cases. It is only in the last couple of weeks that it has become massively the dominant variant, and THAT is why scientists now believe it spreads more easily. They could not have known that 2 months ago.
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22/12/2020 18:34:24 1 1
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Analysis requires patience and clarity not haste and confusion
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22/12/2020 18:24:53 118 34
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smug remoaners think the variant covid unique to UK wrong again ! EU still not had 1 person vaccinated .yet !Says it all to me really but this delay in vaccination will cost the EU 1000's of lives sadly
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22/12/2020 20:24:50 39 56
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Haven't seen 1 "smug remoaner" going on about it being unique to UK.

What I have seen is comments as childish as yours being posted by ignorant people suggesting the French closed their borders to upset us when we did exactly the same in regards to Netherlands and their mink strain.
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22/12/2020 18:14:52 2 13
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Hopefully here we can have a discussion that doesn't degenrate into a remainer vs leaver food fight - but I won't hold my breath. Interesting though isn't it that the country to first start vaccinating suddenly has a new variant 'unleashed' on it. I'm not one for consipracies, but it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?
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22/12/2020 18:25:02 2 2
bbc
No coincidence. We have the set-up and Science to detect this and it was spotted in September way before we started our Vaccine programme. The fact that it was detected in Kent could mean this is where it was imported, but we don't have the evidence to back this up yet.
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Pit
22/12/2020 18:25:21 3 16
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Whether or not this mutation is even real is of secondary importance, Europeans have been handed a tremendous political opportunity: They're giving the us a dry run of what departing the customs union and single market might look like. If London and Brussels can't strike a deal we get to do this all over again next month - empty supermarket shelves, trucks piled up at the border, the works.
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22/12/2020 18:28:36 2 2
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empty of what, and if not done in spite the lorry queues would still be there.
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fos
22/12/2020 18:32:46 1 1
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Supermarket shelves aren’t empty and Tesco have just announced rationing of Rice,Toilet rolls,Soap and eggs none of which will be on the ferries between here and Calais.
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22/12/2020 18:25:31 236 11
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Give yourselves a huge pat on your back uk scientists ????????????????????
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22/12/2020 19:12:16 7 118
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(Sarcasm)
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22/12/2020 22:49:31 0 0
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Everyone give yourself a huge pat on the back!

WE are ALL doing this together!

Wishing you the Benevolence of the Cosmos to you & yours.

Kindness returns to those who give it.

And to the giver, for that to be accepted by the recipient in the way I has been given?? ?Peace and Love back to you & yours ?
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22/12/2020 18:12:18 312 4
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Stark contrast to the way China covered the initial outbreak, and yet there were no travel bans for months. The endless politicising on all sides of this pandemic is shameful
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22/12/2020 18:21:54 2 7
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Well we no what's going to happen now ,the French will get biggest share of the fishing rights EU and they will let our trucks thru
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22/12/2020 18:33:11 1 1
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It's know.
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22/12/2020 18:21:26 4 24
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Well done british scientists, thanks to you we are now locked on this island. Apart from that, it will not change anything. Just another strain of a virus that doesn't harm the absolute majority of people. Long live the science!
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TV
22/12/2020 18:26:00 10 1
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Yeah, it's a shame that 1.7 million people weren't in the majority. 1.7 million people who died under massive worldwide lockdowns. Now imagine that death toll without all of these measures in place.
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22/12/2020 18:26:07 258 1
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Given that so few nations are sequencing virus genomes, has anyone asked whether we are experiencing the same variant that took French infections to such high levels a few weeks ago?

- they too were baffled by soaring transmission rates despite curfews, and other measures.
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22/12/2020 18:51:18 147 10
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France has no capability, expertise or probably motivation to do the analysis. It’s like CJD all over again. They simply buried their infested cattle back then rather than test and banned our beef. CJD was even Nick named JCB in France so many cattle were buried.
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22/12/2020 21:12:15 15 0
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Correct, said the same on Sunday night but was accused of trying to make up excuses.

France daily coronavirus cases

Sep 12 10,501
Sep 26 14,412
Oct 10 26,896
Oct 24 45,422
Nov 07 88,760
Nov 21 17,881

France went into strict lockdown on 30th Oct with documentation needed, for valid reason to leave the house.

Germany climbed from 821 to 16,612 over the same period.
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22/12/2020 18:26:14 5 1
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“..so many mutations at once... makes it less likely that’s happened by chance..” I thought any and all mutations were “by chance” - is there a hint of deliberate intervention causing the unusually large number (23) of mutations? COG-UK live-streamed a symposium a few days ago; final presentation seems to indicate a surprising viral response to serum antibody therapy. Impressive science!
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22/12/2020 18:22:07 6 18
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Yep I did the same with UK produce after Tony Blair murdered his way across the Middle East and the Balkans. Futile gesture but makes you feel better
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:26:20 34 3
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Not so futile gesture if a lot of people did it. French wine producers already on the skids by US tariffs and a hell of a lot of cheese comes over from France. Been enjoyable looking at some of the lesser known UK cheeses
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22/12/2020 20:57:21 4 0
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There are over 750 British cheeses, so why worry about a 27% tariff on Cheddar imported from France as reported by The Independent last week.
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22/12/2020 18:26:23 8 3
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At least this may stop the "no such thing as evolution" from the fundies
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22/12/2020 18:11:20 146 18
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Best in the world. Trouble is we are too honest, we could have hidden this for months and then closed our borders like our so called EU friends did.
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22/12/2020 18:27:05 9 1
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"Do things for people not because of who they are or what they do in return, but because of who you are" Rabbi Harold S. Kushner.
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22/12/2020 18:22:07 4 7
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Hi, does anyone have any data/stats for how many people have died OF covid - preferably with indications of whether they may have had 'pre-existing' health conditions. and i mean HONEST data!
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DJL
22/12/2020 18:17:58 239 34
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Wonder why Germany has been suffering a spike in cases recently. Couldn't possibly have been because of the variant now could it. Macron proving to be a bit of a clown - definitely no French cheeses on our Christmas cheese board, nor will there be any French wine on the table
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TD
22/12/2020 18:27:58 18 1
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I couple of bottles of South African white on our table this christmas
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fos
22/12/2020 18:28:10 31 4
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First identified in Kent in September.3 months ago it was found in 15% of London cases.
How stupid would you have to be looking at those facts to think closing the border would keep this variant out.Even better the only widespread analysis of variants in the Eu recently was in Denmark looking at mink human COVID links.The new variant was common in Denmark.
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22/12/2020 18:53:42 27 2
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Denmark only spotted the mink farm cases because they were studying mutations closely, other countries don’t bother.
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Pit
22/12/2020 18:25:21 3 16
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Whether or not this mutation is even real is of secondary importance, Europeans have been handed a tremendous political opportunity: They're giving the us a dry run of what departing the customs union and single market might look like. If London and Brussels can't strike a deal we get to do this all over again next month - empty supermarket shelves, trucks piled up at the border, the works.
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22/12/2020 18:28:36 2 2
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empty of what, and if not done in spite the lorry queues would still be there.
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22/12/2020 18:28:37 63 2
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Read this...

For example, Public Health Wales sequenced about 4,000 genomes in the past week, more than the whole of France since the beginning of the pandemic.

Again please.....
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Bob
22/12/2020 19:16:33 48 2
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I tried telling people this in the prior HYS articles, I just got downvoted to hell & back.

This isn't new information. This is information we've known for a very long time. The Wales figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

Our efforts & the Danish efforts are precisely why scientists have for a long time told people not to use sequencing databases for stats on prevalence in countries or origins.
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22/12/2020 18:28:54 2 3
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.

Sadly, there is no humour any more.

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22/12/2020 18:12:46 819 38
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It is interesting that this thread is getting no comments. "Dirty, incompetent, slack, ill prepared, careless" are all epithets that I have seen thrown at UK - and particularly England - as the first place to find Variant COVID. We found it so we must be the irresponsible source - hence shut down borders by France. Reality is that UK Is brilliant at genomics and we are first to spot new strain.
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22/12/2020 18:29:03 12 92
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Doesn't matter though. We, well Hancock, our boy Health Minister, shot us in the foot....yet again.
Our feet must be like pin cushions.
We have set ourselves up for this since the Referendum and other countries and particularly the French delight in rubbing it in.
Our success in Europe was always at the direct cost to French influence and they can't believe their luck.
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22/12/2020 21:18:31 8 1
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It demonstrates once again how incompetent the EU nations are. As for shooting oneself in the foot - Macron did a massively successful job of that didn't he. Didn't think it through for one second, just rubbed his, grinned and blocked the ports without considering that it was EU truckers and industries who would suffer most. Complete idiot - like them all
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22/12/2020 18:24:06 23 1
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if people are jealous of the UK, they just get a boat over
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22/12/2020 18:29:55 0 1
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in god sailing weather they do.
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22/12/2020 18:30:00 2 20
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The British have provoked this mutation and then claimed credit for discovering it. Par for the course.
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22/12/2020 18:40:25 2 1
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What an embarrassing comment. No wonder you hide your name.
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22/12/2020 18:21:40 1 16
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well, this is an extremely racist headline from the BBC

we expect more. or do we?
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22/12/2020 18:25:15 5 10
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Hi, does anyone have any data / statistics for how many people have died OF covid? (and preferably including stats regarding 'pre-existing health conditions'). and outside of hospitals too?
reveal the truth and this will all be over soon x
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22/12/2020 18:25:44 4 15
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Lol! If you believe this you will believe anything! Absolute claptrap!
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22/12/2020 18:35:35 8 1
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What exactly is it you don't believe? Very strange response to what is a factual article.
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22/12/2020 18:30:14 35 5
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Is France even testing for the new variant?
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22/12/2020 18:52:38 5 27
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And what difference does answer to that question make?
Would you die from Covid happy if you knew they did not?
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22/12/2020 19:42:32 6 0
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Seems they dont do much of this sort of testing, but most probably will find they also have this variant. I guess time will tell. Hopefully now its known all countries will check for this.
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22/12/2020 21:28:07 0 1
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There is no variant !! Bojo and Matt had us all over again
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22/12/2020 18:30:23 4 8
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why is it that people ( especially in the western society) need reminding that the scientist are from their own country, or that the vaccine approval was a product of brexit, and the usual razzmatazz of patriottism ?? most people dont even know the difference from their own arse and their elbow, let alone scientific genoma sequence. or is it to do with " how good are we" from the bo-jos?
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22/12/2020 18:32:42 3 5
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Agreed, the most successful scientific advances comes from the work of scientists across a broad spectrum of backgrounds and nationalities. Brexit is going to have a huge negative impact on the ability of us to provide the freedom of movement and working that science relies on.
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22/12/2020 18:30:54 180 7
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Well done UK science.

Can people stop complaining and be thankful for once. I think it says it all when "Public Health Wales has sequenced 4000 genomes in the past week, more than the whole of France has since the beginning of the pandemic"

THIS is why the UK has picked up there is a new strain, because we have a better system in place than most other countries.
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SB
22/12/2020 21:16:15 28 1
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I very much agree
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22/12/2020 22:31:44 0 0
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not that it has helped us much....
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23/12/2020 00:17:38 0 0
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Shame about Serco Track and Trace though. That was billions well spent!
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22/12/2020 18:14:52 2 13
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Hopefully here we can have a discussion that doesn't degenrate into a remainer vs leaver food fight - but I won't hold my breath. Interesting though isn't it that the country to first start vaccinating suddenly has a new variant 'unleashed' on it. I'm not one for consipracies, but it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?
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22/12/2020 18:30:56 1 1
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The first country to start vaccinating because we have a solid medical board who were able to vet the available vaccines quickly. The first country to discover variants because we are doing more than half the entire world's research. Not really a coincidence, just a case of having a strong scientific heritage and infrastructure.
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22/12/2020 18:31:13 133 9
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Most of the cases are around Kent and Portsmouth - Strange they have ports that connect to the continent.
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22/12/2020 18:39:54 17 39
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So if found in Scotland it is English fault?
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22/12/2020 18:12:46 819 38
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It is interesting that this thread is getting no comments. "Dirty, incompetent, slack, ill prepared, careless" are all epithets that I have seen thrown at UK - and particularly England - as the first place to find Variant COVID. We found it so we must be the irresponsible source - hence shut down borders by France. Reality is that UK Is brilliant at genomics and we are first to spot new strain.
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22/12/2020 18:26:44 2 51
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Hahaha!!!
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22/12/2020 21:10:22 3 0
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Incomprehensible
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22/12/2020 18:12:45 144 2
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So we picked up the mutation as did Denmark and the Dutch because of superior surveillance. Somehow it skipped France on its way here or on its way there. Good to hear from Prof Peacock, I thought he was stuck in the study with the lead pipe.
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22/12/2020 18:31:26 76 1
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"For example, Public Health Wales sequenced about 4,000 genomes in the past week, more than the whole of France since the beginning of the pandemic."
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22/12/2020 20:07:11 1 11
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So what. Its coronavirus. Stop believing the hype. We only found out about it cos Boris wanted to cover his tail on cancelling Christmas. The French healthcare system is SO MUCH better than ours it beggars belief
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22/12/2020 18:13:49 289 14
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First discovered right by the port areas but absolutely nothing to do with Europe
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22/12/2020 18:32:19 33 4
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It doesn’t matter where it started, the point is its been found and countries that have low instances of the new variant can now benefit from top class scientists to prevent deaths and illness going forward. I am bewildered that the borders can be shut down to prevent food imports but the French are happy to allow desperate, poor migrants to cross the Chanel and risk their lives. Hypocritical.
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22/12/2020 18:24:21 2 6
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29th October 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

"The South East, South West, east of England and London all have an R above 2.0"

Could it be that the version then was either this mutation or the "father"?

Also raises the obvious question, why has it taken nearly 2 months to do anything...?
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22/12/2020 18:32:34 5 1
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Because 2 months ago this new variant accounted for 0.25% of cases. It is only in the last couple of weeks that it has become massively the dominant variant, and THAT is why scientists now believe it spreads more easily. They could not have known that 2 months ago.
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gc
22/12/2020 18:32:38 177 24
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so our brilliant scientists who are so far ahead of the world....have inadvertently plunged us into a jealous trade war with the arrogance of the EU - in particular - The French!!!

I've changed my mind!.......lets just get out of the EU now!!
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22/12/2020 18:36:38 70 13
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Scientists keep at it - just need Hancock to keep mouth shut next time!
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22/12/2020 20:17:53 3 0
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There is a book, I think it is called 'Our 1000 years of worrying the French'. I missed buying it. It would seem nothing new.
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22/12/2020 20:21:43 1 5
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Yeah you definitely sound as if you wanted to be in the EU.
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22/12/2020 22:13:19 0 0
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Hear hear!!!!
730
22/12/2020 22:29:54 0 0
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Welcome to the party. Latecomers are not excluded!
732
22/12/2020 22:31:20 0 1
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SPOT ON ,,AND NO CONCESSIONS!! TELL THEM GO JUMP,IV SAID IT BEFORE! AND NOW ,,
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22/12/2020 23:18:27 1 1
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Just over a week to go. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
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22/12/2020 18:30:23 4 8
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why is it that people ( especially in the western society) need reminding that the scientist are from their own country, or that the vaccine approval was a product of brexit, and the usual razzmatazz of patriottism ?? most people dont even know the difference from their own arse and their elbow, let alone scientific genoma sequence. or is it to do with " how good are we" from the bo-jos?
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22/12/2020 18:32:42 3 5
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Agreed, the most successful scientific advances comes from the work of scientists across a broad spectrum of backgrounds and nationalities. Brexit is going to have a huge negative impact on the ability of us to provide the freedom of movement and working that science relies on.
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22/12/2020 18:25:21 3 16
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Whether or not this mutation is even real is of secondary importance, Europeans have been handed a tremendous political opportunity: They're giving the us a dry run of what departing the customs union and single market might look like. If London and Brussels can't strike a deal we get to do this all over again next month - empty supermarket shelves, trucks piled up at the border, the works.
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fos
22/12/2020 18:32:46 1 1
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Supermarket shelves aren’t empty and Tesco have just announced rationing of Rice,Toilet rolls,Soap and eggs none of which will be on the ferries between here and Calais.
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22/12/2020 18:17:14 262 16
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UK scientists leading the way as usual.
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22/12/2020 18:28:13 33 358
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Absolute and utter nonsense!! Don’t be fooled by the propaganda!
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22/12/2020 18:43:00 60 4
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What part of this is propoganda? How's the weather in Moscow?
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22/12/2020 18:44:54 58 2
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UK science has been at the top of the tables for the last 500 years. If you genuinely think this is "propaganda" you may wish to book yourself in for an assessment.
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22/12/2020 18:47:43 5 12
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You have to wonder though, my granddaughter was sent home from nursery today because an asymptomatic 3 year old in her class tested positive. There has not been a single case at nursery all year so it may be right that this strain is more transmissible in young children. That's our Christmas gone for a ball of chalk!
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22/12/2020 18:54:44 34 3
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Looks like you've been fooled. Also, the UK isn't bust, far from it. I guess this doesn't fit with your fictitious theories though.
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22/12/2020 19:04:23 7 4
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Right back at ya!
Were you born an arse or do you just sit on it ? Removed
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22/12/2020 21:13:07 9 0
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What a total fool you are, please do us all a favour and jog on!
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22/12/2020 21:33:25 1 0
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Got your number.
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22/12/2020 22:09:12 1 0
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Shame on you
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22/12/2020 22:43:11 0 0
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Wow, brilliant group-Propaganda!
“Propaganda” loved the music. The First Cut...

I digress. Perhaps the sceptics should listen to it? It is about suffering, etc, etc. Great “Rally drive music”!! Seriously, hopefully the journalists of the world/News Agencies will concentrate upon realities/rather than sensationalism?! The Scientists-much is unknown, but they are doing there best, as is everyone!
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22/12/2020 23:11:38 0 0
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Why not blow our own trumpet when we lead the world in something that other countries recognise and respect us for too?
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22/12/2020 23:57:28 0 0
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18.28. Your name clearly means you are talking utter boll o x.
Removed
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23/12/2020 09:32:15 0 0
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Dork, we have leading edge genome sequencing tools.
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23/12/2020 12:38:26 0 0
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I wonder if you will feel the same when you get it! Thank goodness for our scientists.
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22/12/2020 18:21:54 2 7
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Well we no what's going to happen now ,the French will get biggest share of the fishing rights EU and they will let our trucks thru
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22/12/2020 18:33:11 1 1
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It's know.
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22/12/2020 18:33:58 81 7
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I hope the Government will now show a bit more appreciation towards the Scientists and not the Bankers - we all should be proud of our efforts and hopefully will come out of this a greater nation.
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22/12/2020 23:02:25 3 6
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Hope so!
Does money “really exist.
The world is at the technological threshold to provide for all-a decent existence. Not only a greater Nation, yet a greater World!

If enough of us keep saying this & pushing this, we can.

Have the feeling, you are one of those wonderful people who will be instrumental in change. A job not existing yet, for you, but will be?! Hope so! Stay strong & believe!
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22/12/2020 23:36:18 2 0
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What have the banks got to do with this? We need them more than ever? They are our biggest export to the world and pay enormous amounts of tax here.
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22/12/2020 18:24:21 2 6
bbc
29th October 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

"The South East, South West, east of England and London all have an R above 2.0"

Could it be that the version then was either this mutation or the "father"?

Also raises the obvious question, why has it taken nearly 2 months to do anything...?
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22/12/2020 18:34:24 1 1
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Analysis requires patience and clarity not haste and confusion
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22/12/2020 18:14:52 2 13
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Hopefully here we can have a discussion that doesn't degenrate into a remainer vs leaver food fight - but I won't hold my breath. Interesting though isn't it that the country to first start vaccinating suddenly has a new variant 'unleashed' on it. I'm not one for consipracies, but it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?
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22/12/2020 18:34:24 0 1
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You obviously didn't read the article did you.

Please read it again and then try and understand why the UK has picked up this new variant whereas other countries have not.

Wales completed more genetic sequencing last week than the whole of France has completed since February. That is why it has appeared here, because we were actually looking for it!
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22/12/2020 18:14:12 435 45
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We put our hand up and tell the world that we have found a new variant of Covid 19 and get shunned for our efforts. Why do we bother to share privileged information with countries that pretend to be our "friends". This virus was always going to change, that is what viruses do.
Our government needs to remember that the next time we make new discoveries that will benefit the world.
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22/12/2020 18:35:07 23 38
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The rest of the world are quite rightly doing what they think is necessary to restrict the spread or introduction of the virus
No different to what we would need to do if the roles were reversed,we are not being shunned
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22/12/2020 18:15:57 40 13
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There is a jealousy towards the UK.
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22/12/2020 18:35:13 7 7
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Of what? Working 14 hour days (and weekends), sky high property prices and train tickets, very high taxes (including council taxes), and a healthcare system that requires you to pay for private insurance. I am really struggling to work out what is so great - we then have to watch TV or read the press on how wealthy people and royals in this country spend money that has been handed to them.
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22/12/2020 19:32:43 4 3
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the UK is better than the dangerous countries they are coming from....

like, France
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22/12/2020 18:21:26 4 24
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Well done british scientists, thanks to you we are now locked on this island. Apart from that, it will not change anything. Just another strain of a virus that doesn't harm the absolute majority of people. Long live the science!
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22/12/2020 18:30:43 0 1
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Ok, what if the british scientists never told us about the virus, hmm what do you think would've happened? Wheres your evidence to backup your claim that it doe'snt harm the majority of people, if any1 reads your comment & believes it to be true & therefore catches it as they thought themseleves to be invunerable, how would that make you feel
Get evidence to backup your claim, stop spreading crap.
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22/12/2020 18:25:44 4 15
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Lol! If you believe this you will believe anything! Absolute claptrap!
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22/12/2020 18:35:35 8 1
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What exactly is it you don't believe? Very strange response to what is a factual article.
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22/12/2020 18:36:11 4 3
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Take five boss woss jam nitty gritty yer listening to the Professor named Chris Witty
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22/12/2020 18:36:16 46 12
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The UK is the first country to detect the French mutation and we cop the blame!

It's time other countries adopted an honest scientific approach.
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22/12/2020 20:35:51 7 6
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Wait, what? "French mutation"? Where did you get that from?
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22/12/2020 18:17:51 3 13
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Oh yeah, we're world beating at everything ??
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22/12/2020 18:36:27 0 1
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The trouble with living in an advanced and free society with every opportunity at your feet is that you grow so comfortable with and used to it that you start to whine and complain in the same way a rich teenage girl does about her iPhone not being the latest model. Feel free to move.
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gc
22/12/2020 18:32:38 177 24
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so our brilliant scientists who are so far ahead of the world....have inadvertently plunged us into a jealous trade war with the arrogance of the EU - in particular - The French!!!

I've changed my mind!.......lets just get out of the EU now!!
94
22/12/2020 18:36:38 70 13
bbc
Scientists keep at it - just need Hancock to keep mouth shut next time!
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22/12/2020 23:09:45 0 0
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Perhaps (allegedly) we need people in a place of Influence/decision making, culpable/capable of what is needed for the greater good of the Whole World, to “actually” DO the job? Perhaps Politics should be abolished! Just a thought (personal opinion)?!
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gc
22/12/2020 18:37:10 47 7
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there is a very strong case to say that this mutation came in from over the Channel in the first place!
Bearing in mind that the virus spread rapidly from the ski resorts in Feb.
Find it staggering that the EU tries to cut us off!!!
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22/12/2020 20:34:30 4 8
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What's the source of your finding that suggests it came in from EU mainland?
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22/12/2020 18:37:15 0 12
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Are these scientists after a Nobel prize? They could have waited a week & we could have got Xmas out the way but, no, they had to open their mouths. I think that the new variant probably started somewhere else & was imported to Kent by either a lorry driver, or if I'm not to be moderated, a person from the East with no fixed abode (well perhaps a tent near Calais). Merry Xmas from UK science!
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22/12/2020 18:40:51 1 2
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You really are a nasty hate filled person.
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22/12/2020 18:43:43 0 2
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Ridiculous comment and would appear clearly racially motivated
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22/12/2020 18:44:59 0 1
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No
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22/12/2020 18:52:05 1 1
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Yeah, they could have waited until after Christmas and let even more at risk people die unnecessarily by letting everyone congregate in the blissful unawareness of a virus that is now 70% more transmissable. Why didn't they just let people die? Pesky politicians! I will never understand people like you who are unhappy whatever happens. Lockdown? Angry. No lockdown and surplus deaths? Angry.
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22/12/2020 18:12:46 819 38
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It is interesting that this thread is getting no comments. "Dirty, incompetent, slack, ill prepared, careless" are all epithets that I have seen thrown at UK - and particularly England - as the first place to find Variant COVID. We found it so we must be the irresponsible source - hence shut down borders by France. Reality is that UK Is brilliant at genomics and we are first to spot new strain.
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22/12/2020 18:37:33 4 61
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Smelt it dealt it
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22/12/2020 21:30:19 3 0
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Child
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22/12/2020 18:37:54 4 3
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The rest of the world are quite rightly doing what they think is necessary to restrict the spread or introduction of the virus

Its no different to what we would need to do if the roles were reversed, we are not being shunned or victimised
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22/12/2020 21:27:50 2 0
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it is totally different no other country in the world has stopped the flow of food france has just done that stop the flow of people no problem but to cut a countrys food suppy off reminds me of the reason for the internal market bill
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22/12/2020 18:21:21 23 4
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Well we've spotted it and declared it to the world unlike the Chinese who persecuted the doctor who identified the original strain.

Please go educate yourself, Guardian reader.
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22/12/2020 18:38:39 1 1
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We spotted it in Sept
We put London in tier 4, after a couple of days of tier3, in December, to stop the spread
Because we’re ‘ahead’ of the virus that is now already being found across England, U.K. and other countries
After everywhere but London was told to put up and shut up, but they had to ‘protect’ London from tier 3
But you keep running with what you believe...
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22/12/2020 18:38:48 3 1
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Every virus mutates, and we all knew that this would happen with this virus. I'm sure throughout the world this and other new strains of the virus are circulating but other countries don't do the regular genetic sequencing. The good side is that if the virus mutates toward a more contagious strain it should inevitable lost some of the properties including its ability to cause a serious illness.