Covid jab 'very likely' to protect against new variant
22/12/2020 | news | health | 599
If it doesn't, the boss of BioNTech says its vaccine could be refined very quickly.
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22/12/2020 15:43:58 6 21
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A few days ago it was "certain" now it is "very likely". I have my first jab on the 28th and after the inital euphoria I am starting to wonder how much benefit it will actually give.
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22/12/2020 15:47:13 23 2
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It was never "Certain", it was always quoted as "Very Likely".

"Very Likely" is good enough for me if I am offered a vaccine.
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22/12/2020 16:34:40 1 0
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the jab is 95% effective against the un-mutated virus. Therefore it was never certain at any time and to be 95% someone who has had the jab must have later caught Covid (or else it would be 100%). If enough people have the jab then Covid will stop spreading even if the prevention rate is not 100%,
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22/12/2020 15:45:06 6 4
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the problem is, the cynics are too ill to deal with reality....
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22/12/2020 15:46:29 3 0
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Which reality is that?
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22/12/2020 15:45:26 30 13
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Good, pity this didn't stop the media and Government causing panic like has been the case for much of this year.
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22/12/2020 16:15:55 40 20
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NO!

It is the numpties who ignore the rules that have created a scenario where the virus has spread. The more it spread and the more infections the more likely it was to mutate.

If people had listened to the Governments advice and guidance and then acted correctly, things would have been way better.
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Bob
22/12/2020 17:03:39 2 1
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The strain undoubtedly has a transmission advantage, and undoubtedly can infect younger people more easily. You can go look on the GOV.UK dashboard and see that for yourself.

That does not mean it has become more (or less) deadly - but it will mean more people in hospital.

Gov said on day 1 it unlikely to affect vaccine or mortality. They're only concerned about hospitals.
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22/12/2020 15:45:48 2 14
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What a load old tosh
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22/12/2020 15:45:52 55 13
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Don't panic, its a minor mutation in the virus spike that is unlikely to affect how good the RNA vaccine is AND they can modify the vaccine quickly. Totally believable...
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Bob
22/12/2020 16:59:03 8 4
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You are wrong on the minor mutation part. This strain has caused deep surprise at how many mutations it contains, and especially so when it also carried changes to the spike.

That is precisely why people/countries have pooped their pants.

But yes, the 3 vaccines we have and our very own anti-bodies if we have any, should not have a tough time with the changes.
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22/12/2020 17:04:59 1 0
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A leading scientist said that 22 total changes was 'very high'
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22/12/2020 15:45:53 48 4
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lets hope so or it's game over for another year!.
Trouble is i don't think society will follow the rules for much longer.
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22/12/2020 16:11:59 25 2
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I fear you're right and hope you're wrong
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22/12/2020 16:57:39 3 0
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Many of them don't follow them now
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22/12/2020 17:11:46 0 0
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I agree. I don't think another year of lockdowns would be at all workable, not even in some doomsday scenario where every vaccine failed totally. I don't know what we'd do then. Hopefully this won't come to pass!
If people obeyed the rules in lockdown 1.0 we would not be in this mess now. Thank you stupid people. Removed
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22/12/2020 20:06:57 0 0
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not enough have been following the rules as that's the prevention route and it clearly isnt working.
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22/12/2020 15:46:03 4 11
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The season finale of 2020 is gonna have the virus turn people in zombies a la 28 days later
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To be fair I've zombie apocalypse on my 2020 bingo, so fingers crossed
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22/12/2020 15:45:06 6 4
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the problem is, the cynics are too ill to deal with reality....
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22/12/2020 15:46:29 3 0
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Which reality is that?
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22/12/2020 15:46:51 286 27
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No doubt the "Anti Vax" brigade will be out in force soon with more baseless conspiracy theories.

This vaccine can be re-engineered quickly in a similar way that the flu vaccine changes each year as the flu mutates.

Well done to all the scientists working on this. The faster we can roll it out the better.
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22/12/2020 15:50:04 10 7
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Lovely comments, thank-you.
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22/12/2020 15:53:02 15 43
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“The obedient think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly." -Robert Anton Wilson
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22/12/2020 15:55:55 6 17
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Yes maybe, but it then takes months to produce the doses needed. It's not that simple to just tweak it and be giving the vaccine out in a week or so. Given the relation to the common cold virus, it's likely we would be faced with a catch up situation. One we most likely can not win. Unfortunately this is why some vaccines just do not become effective.
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22/12/2020 15:59:19 40 3
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Ah yes the ludicrous microchip being injected conspiracy, even though most people already carry around a SIM card..
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22/12/2020 16:05:20 4 56
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vacinne brought in too early, they will not admit its useless as cost too much for that honesty approach
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22/12/2020 16:11:56 5 58
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Don't need theories % of people global who have caught COVID 1%. Vaccine tested who caught COIVD 5%. How can that be fit for purpose when without you have a great chance of not been infected. Add in it not fully tested. Waste of money lining chemical companies pockets
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22/12/2020 16:14:32 3 4
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And all your comments are based on what exactly....oh yeah, what you've been told and that of course makes it the truth. Frankie Boyle eat ya heart out!
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22/12/2020 16:28:00 3 12
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I'm not from the 'Anti Vax' brigade but I do think you're putting too much faith in the new vaccine. Flu vaccines are only partially effective and only cover a certain strain. Thus, 10s of thousands of people still die from complications due to flu infection. There is no reason to suggest the C19 vaccine will be any more successful.
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22/12/2020 16:36:06 2 1
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Oh, it’s like the flu now is it?
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22/12/2020 16:40:45 13 0
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These 'anti-vax' folk are actually fascinating. I want to study them to find out why they are so aggressively against the idea of the potential for some normality. I mean, microchips... c'mon! If your life is so incredibly exciting that you think the gov't would want to monitor your every move, then I really must know what you get up to (your trip from the sofa to the toilet doesn't count).
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22/12/2020 16:58:40 1 2
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Yes, no doubt. But keep your mask on and do as you’re told.
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22/12/2020 17:06:17 0 0
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The RNA vaccine can be edited faster than the flu vaccine (DNA).
However, the lag between reacting to a new variant & delivering the jab is still a concern - Billions will need it to be effective, otherwise it will mutate again & again...
With the flu jab, you typically get innoculated against several predicted variants. Sometimes they get it wrong & effectiveness is circa 50% so it never ends!
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22/12/2020 17:10:45 0 0
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I'm certainly not an anti-vaxxer - it's a great success that the world eradicated smallpox and has polio on the verge - but the UK introducing the 'flu vaccine for over 65s has done nothing significant to affect the annual death rates of those over 65 or the average age of death in England and Wales. Plot the steady improvements in both since 1950 - no change to the trend from 2000 onward.
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22/12/2020 17:14:08 0 2
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I'm not ani Vax but a masters degree educated analyst who used to work for phase 1 first in man drug development, Glaxosmithkline and the NHS pharmaceutical agencies and there is no way on gods green earth a viable and safe vaccine has been developed in ten months..it's at least 5 to 10 years.. They've been looking for a SARS covid vaccine since 2002...Be careful what you wish for...
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22/12/2020 17:27:55 0 0
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"very likely". U cant have it both ways. Trust us we know the science or we very likely know the science? Are we expected to read very likely and make it into definitely. We need a far greater discussion here. Dont shut everything down that facilitates open reasoning.
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22/12/2020 17:35:17 0 0
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Evidence please!
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22/12/2020 17:51:07 0 0
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3150 so far out 112k are unable to live a normal live nor work and need round the clock health care.
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22/12/2020 17:54:22 0 0
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If you believe this then.... well. Say no more
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22/12/2020 18:20:05 0 0
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Corruption = conspiracy
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22/12/2020 18:31:10 0 0
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medical "freedom" passport contracts have been awarded so there is no longer a conspiracy theory , do try and keep up
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22/12/2020 20:02:56 0 0
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I had my first dose today and the next in 21 days, feel confident that this will give me sufficient protection. If it needs a booster at some time so be it.
because they dont know if I could still be a carrier I will continue to wear a mask, leave space and wash my hands because I still think prevention is the ultimate means to protect each other. Ignorance is spreading it.
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Dan
22/12/2020 21:28:02 0 0
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Baseless conspiracy theories that anyone with an IQ above 100 and who can read would know were facts?
Don't take my word for it, here is whet Vin Gupta MD said on MSNBC when promoting mass vaccination.
"Right now, we still don't have definitive proof that vaccination protects you from any type of infection"
The second dose does not mean you can't still get infected and pass it along to others.
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22/12/2020 15:46:55 15 39
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Very likely? Yes ok. Biggest scam going this so called deadly virus. Totally blown out of proportion. Life isn't risk free trying to put your lives on hold for years wearing a paper mask isn't worth it. The vaccine doesnt ever stop transmission or getting the virus I will spending my xmas with all my family and friends as normal
Well then, you are a blindingly irresponsible idiot. Removed
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22/12/2020 15:53:57 11 3
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You are an idiot to not follow government guidelines. I suppose you can continue to peddle this misinformation to the 80000+ families who have lost loved ones and the stressed out medical staff who are having to look after all the ill patients with Covid.
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22/12/2020 16:05:29 3 0
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Grow up or ask your GP to refer you to Mental Health Services.
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22/12/2020 15:43:58 6 21
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A few days ago it was "certain" now it is "very likely". I have my first jab on the 28th and after the inital euphoria I am starting to wonder how much benefit it will actually give.
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22/12/2020 15:47:13 23 2
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It was never "Certain", it was always quoted as "Very Likely".

"Very Likely" is good enough for me if I am offered a vaccine.
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22/12/2020 15:47:23 4 20
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Yes, but will the less effective Oxford vaccine we seem likely to be lumbered with be so easy to tweak? Seems unlikely, as it used the older technology. But it is British! Hooray! We are the best country in the world!
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22/12/2020 15:51:23 25 2
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Yes it can been changed equally quickly. The Oxford vaccine is just as good and uses the same technology as the flu jab. Please don't be an idiot and peddle misinformation to undermine the hard work that has gone into this excellent vaccine.
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22/12/2020 16:03:55 3 0
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Pathetic!
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22/12/2020 15:47:38 4 4
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This doesn't say why or if the reengineered version would automatically be considered safe and effective
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22/12/2020 15:46:51 286 27
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No doubt the "Anti Vax" brigade will be out in force soon with more baseless conspiracy theories.

This vaccine can be re-engineered quickly in a similar way that the flu vaccine changes each year as the flu mutates.

Well done to all the scientists working on this. The faster we can roll it out the better.
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22/12/2020 15:59:17 4 1
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Enjoy your future hols in Bognor ????
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22/12/2020 16:19:11 19 1
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I love how 'a sheep' is a pejorative term. You've seen far too many images of fluffy, little baa-lambs! Get up on to t'Moors and Dales and then you'll see what real sheep are... like Swaledales! Go ahead, call me a sheep, and I'm a Swaledale ram staring folk down on a narrow moor-road, horns each as big as your head and eyes like the devil himself! ;)
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22/12/2020 15:49:51 5 18
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First it was CERTAIN to protect, now 2 or 3 days on it's only LIKELY. A bit of a worry in all honesty & I really am NOT a scare mongerer. What gets me is if it has gone from certain to likey in only 2 days & now they are all saying that the vaccine could be "Re-engineerd" by wich I take it to mean remade as the old one will not protect, how much longer will that take? Plus the additional costs.
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22/12/2020 15:53:27 20 2
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Show me the quote where it was "Certain". This is a invention of your imagination. It has always been "Very Likely"
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22/12/2020 15:55:06 6 1
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you really are a Richard
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22/12/2020 15:59:23 7 1
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Who cares what it costs? And re-engineering a vaccine is not witchcraft. It happens all the time. Trust the science mate.
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22/12/2020 16:02:36 4 1
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Did a bloke down the pub tell you all these 'facts'?
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Rob
22/12/2020 16:03:51 7 1
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I dont know where you saw the word “certain” but this was always incorrect. 95% is not 100%, plus it relies upon a healthy and functioning immune system.

What is true is the effectiveness of the vaccine is very unlikely changed by a minor variation like this one.
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22/12/2020 15:49:55 198 7
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Can we please see much more coverage of the vaccination programme BBC. It is THE most positive story out there.

I'm not saying don't report what is going on but the front page bad news stories seems endless. Constant HYSays with people at each others throats as well. There are positive and uplifting stories out here in the real world.

Happy Christmas.
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22/12/2020 15:54:34 30 24
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And can we see more coverage of who exactly is being vaccinated?

Why were healthcare staff in many areas not at the top of the queue?
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22/12/2020 15:58:08 9 17
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No chance of that. It is vitally important that people remain unduly scared.
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22/12/2020 16:47:10 6 6
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Agree 100%, but that doesn't fit the current scaremongering and increased fear level tactics that the BBC and arguably the governments want us to hear. The message from all scientists, medical officers and government during the first lockdown was that for the majority of people the symptoms will be mild and they'd make a full recovery. This still applies nowadays as nothing has changed.
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22/12/2020 17:28:29 1 4
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The BBC doesn't do 'good news'. You only have to listen to The Today programme as they relentless try to eek out a scandalous headline or, even better, a U-turn!!!!!!!
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22/12/2020 21:36:23 0 0
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Not a cheep from the blessed Nicola about the vaccination progress to date in Scotland.
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23/12/2020 09:43:56 0 0
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"Can we please see much more coverage of the vaccination programme BBC. It is THE most positive story out there"

Of course you can't ... when was the last time you saw a pro UK story on the BBC ?
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No doubt the "Anti Vax" brigade will be out in force soon with more baseless conspiracy theories.

This vaccine can be re-engineered quickly in a similar way that the flu vaccine changes each year as the flu mutates.

Well done to all the scientists working on this. The faster we can roll it out the better.
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22/12/2020 15:50:04 10 7
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Lovely comments, thank-you.
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22/12/2020 15:48:35 22 23
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There have been lot's of variants so far. The only reason we are making a fuss about this one is that BJ and Hancock wanted a novel excuse for reneging on his Christmas promise.

Currently, the "70% more infectious" is pure conjecture, without strong scientific evidence to back it up

While it's highly likely immunity won't be affected, at the current time this too is nothing more than speculation
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22/12/2020 15:52:47 9 9
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There is evidence, the new one has all but displaced the old one even in a lockdown, in the hottest areas.
Your level of negativity is pathetic. Removed
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22/12/2020 16:01:04 0 0
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people like numbers. it's probably 45%-80%, and those two numbers have a 10% leeway.
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22/12/2020 17:13:57 0 1
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Are you a scientist. I think probably not and you don't know what you are talking about. Not sure that would ruin Xmas for no reason so don't be pathetic.
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22/12/2020 15:50:38 13 9
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so a bit hit or miss like the flu vaccine
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23/12/2020 11:31:26 0 0
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At the moment the COVID vaccine is targeted at the known variants, and no variants over the year so far are different enough to be resistant. With flu there are many widely different variants circulating all the time, and it’s difficult to predict which to target, so not like flu - yet, let’s hope never.
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22/12/2020 15:47:23 4 20
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Yes, but will the less effective Oxford vaccine we seem likely to be lumbered with be so easy to tweak? Seems unlikely, as it used the older technology. But it is British! Hooray! We are the best country in the world!
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22/12/2020 15:51:23 25 2
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Yes it can been changed equally quickly. The Oxford vaccine is just as good and uses the same technology as the flu jab. Please don't be an idiot and peddle misinformation to undermine the hard work that has gone into this excellent vaccine.
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22/12/2020 15:56:42 0 5
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Yes, the same technology as the flu vaccine that is only 50% effective
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22/12/2020 15:46:55 15 39
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Very likely? Yes ok. Biggest scam going this so called deadly virus. Totally blown out of proportion. Life isn't risk free trying to put your lives on hold for years wearing a paper mask isn't worth it. The vaccine doesnt ever stop transmission or getting the virus I will spending my xmas with all my family and friends as normal
Well then, you are a blindingly irresponsible idiot. Removed
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22/12/2020 15:54:45 2 6
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Enjoy your xmas on your own you mug
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Rob
22/12/2020 16:06:09 3 0
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“He” is almost certainly a troll as well.
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22/12/2020 15:52:20 118 4
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The new virus mutation and more variants may emerge before enough have been vaccinated. The efforts of scientists who have made the vaccines possible represent an outstanding achievement . This is a reminder the work is not over yet , and it's good they are confident of adapting vaccines as needed.

We should all appreciate the contribution of volunteers , medics and essential workers this year.
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22/12/2020 16:00:45 41 5
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Your spot on with your sentiments and correctly that the vaccines will need to be seasonly adapted.

Minor mutations like this are very unlikely, individually to change the virus proteins sufficiently to become resistant to seasonally adapted vaccines. The initial vaccination program is to be on a scale we've never seen however and its very unlikely to be overtaken by mutation.
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22/12/2020 16:30:58 0 11
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Stop it - think of the Flu vaccine it doesn't work and depending on the latest variant has many worse side impacts than the Flu.
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22/12/2020 16:31:51 6 0
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Yes but still good news if it works against the first 'Wuhan Flu' strain and against the second 'Kentish Flu' strain then there is a high chance it will work against the 3rd, 4th strains etc.
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22/12/2020 15:48:35 22 23
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There have been lot's of variants so far. The only reason we are making a fuss about this one is that BJ and Hancock wanted a novel excuse for reneging on his Christmas promise.

Currently, the "70% more infectious" is pure conjecture, without strong scientific evidence to back it up

While it's highly likely immunity won't be affected, at the current time this too is nothing more than speculation
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22/12/2020 15:52:47 9 9
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There is evidence, the new one has all but displaced the old one even in a lockdown, in the hottest areas.
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22/12/2020 16:05:20 3 2
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No, that is definitely NOT evidence that it is more infectious.
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22/12/2020 16:35:58 1 1
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No evidence and how come it landed in Sept and only becomes super strain when BJ and dumb and dumber cancel Christmas on "it might be, could be". Does anyone have the number of tested been completed. Last week the number increased due to 11,000 positive tests been missed the week before in Wales (computer glitch), cannot wait for this weeks excuse
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Why do we not have a national policy on the rollout of the vaccine?

Healthcare staff need to be vaccinated so that they can look after patients.

Some NHS trusts are only just starting to vaccinate their frontline staff ...
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22/12/2020 15:55:15 13 1
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We do have a national policy on the vaccine roll out. What do you think the healthcare professionals are doing at the moment?
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First it was CERTAIN to protect, now 2 or 3 days on it's only LIKELY. A bit of a worry in all honesty & I really am NOT a scare mongerer. What gets me is if it has gone from certain to likey in only 2 days & now they are all saying that the vaccine could be "Re-engineerd" by wich I take it to mean remade as the old one will not protect, how much longer will that take? Plus the additional costs.
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22/12/2020 15:53:27 20 2
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Show me the quote where it was "Certain". This is a invention of your imagination. It has always been "Very Likely"
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22/12/2020 15:59:27 2 6
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Yes I get that, but in reality you are just mincing words are you not? For them to say a new vaccine could be re-engineered in a couple of weeks, in my book & many that just speak PLAIN ENGLISH, means that there is a posibiity that the old vaccine will not protect. It's alreadt been ages & the 2 weeks to re-engineer doeS not state that it has been safe to use on the population either, so not good.
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22/12/2020 16:40:03 1 0
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Conspiracy theorists and denialists can only thrive by changing the goalposts and retrospectively changing the questions they asked or the evidence they demanded.
It's the only way they can avoid fact checking and evidence.
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Chief executive of BioNTech, said "scientifically, it is highly likely that [the] immune response by this vaccine also can deal with the new virus variant.
'He confirmed that he didn't know "at the moment" if their vaccine was able to provide protection against this new variant'.

So which is it then? Get's more like reading the Sunday Sport every day.
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22/12/2020 15:58:33 5 5
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He would say that wouldn't he. The share price falls if he says otherwise.
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22/12/2020 16:00:59 5 1
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Actually its very clear. Scientifically he thinks it's likely [based on how their vaccine works]. But he doesn't know for certain [because they won't have trialled it yet] - the saddest thing of this whole virus are the arm chair experts!
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22/12/2020 16:04:17 4 0
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I'm going to hazard a guess. He believes it's highly likely, based on the science behind how it works, but he doesn't know for sure?

I.e. Exactly what he says.
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Very likely? Yes ok. Biggest scam going this so called deadly virus. Totally blown out of proportion. Life isn't risk free trying to put your lives on hold for years wearing a paper mask isn't worth it. The vaccine doesnt ever stop transmission or getting the virus I will spending my xmas with all my family and friends as normal
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22/12/2020 15:53:57 11 3
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You are an idiot to not follow government guidelines. I suppose you can continue to peddle this misinformation to the 80000+ families who have lost loved ones and the stressed out medical staff who are having to look after all the ill patients with Covid.
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22/12/2020 15:56:42 2 6
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Where you get 80000 from? Bet half of that number was not covid related
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22/12/2020 15:54:06 118 7
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Interesting (not necessarily in this article) how people "demand" certainty as though it is always tractable or somehow that we are entitled to it.

If you don't trust the vaccine please don't clog up the queue and move aside; and good luck with the virus instead.
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22/12/2020 15:57:03 22 114
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Another self righteous TW** on HYS, awesome!
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22/12/2020 15:58:43 10 4
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people just want the truth ...its as simple as that.
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22/12/2020 16:25:28 2 15
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High levels of probability are required, not guestimates like we get from these clueless academics
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22/12/2020 17:39:19 2 5
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I think most people concerned at the speed these vaccines were developed are happy to wait. What we don't want is to be forced to take one. And considering the Pfizer jab doesn't stop you catching covid, also good luck with the virus.
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22/12/2020 21:58:51 2 0
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Sums it up nicely. Nothing in life's guaranteed, but personally, like yourself, on I'd rather take my chances with the vaccine than the virus.
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Can we please see much more coverage of the vaccination programme BBC. It is THE most positive story out there.

I'm not saying don't report what is going on but the front page bad news stories seems endless. Constant HYSays with people at each others throats as well. There are positive and uplifting stories out here in the real world.

Happy Christmas.
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22/12/2020 15:54:34 30 24
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And can we see more coverage of who exactly is being vaccinated?

Why were healthcare staff in many areas not at the top of the queue?
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22/12/2020 16:01:42 5 6
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Which planet are you on? Try and keep up to date.
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22/12/2020 16:35:29 11 4
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If they were at the top, you would be asking why the elderly were not at the top.
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22/12/2020 16:38:57 9 2
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Never mind you because you’re a healthcare professional what about multigenerational households? Or even BLMA Households everybody has a legitimate claim on being vaccinated, We just have to wait our turn
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22/12/2020 17:32:42 1 0
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Yesterday a woman from Kent asked the PM why couldn't Kent be vaccinated first because they were in Tier 4 and deserved to be first because there were so many workers there. Everybody has a reason to be first but the oldest are the best choice because they deserve protection so the rest of us can get on with our lives.
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22/12/2020 17:53:06 1 0
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There's no definitive proof it prevents transmission of Covid from a vaccinated person (same as someone who's actually had Covid), so infection control may not stop hospital acquired infections

Vaccinating the most vulnerable seems to be the fairest metric to use

And on that basis, men (twice as likely to have a fatal Covid infection), will no doubt have extra priority in the rollout...
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22/12/2020 18:11:51 0 0
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They are along with the over 80's
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22/12/2020 18:37:03 0 0
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Healthcare staff have been at the top of the queue in most areas; ahead of the vulnerable.
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22/12/2020 21:19:06 0 0
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because there will be no one to apply vaccines if all med staff turns into badgers
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22/12/2020 21:04:51 0 0
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My mum (aged 86) has been vaccinated.
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22/12/2020 22:46:22 0 0
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I wonder if anyone has done anything beyond looking at the fatality rates. Such as years lost or quality of life factors. It sounds harsh, but if you are 80 you probably don't have that many years left. I'm also in favour of vaccinating healthcare workers first (I am not a healthcare worker!), as much because we need them to be fit as I think they have earned it these last 9 months.
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Enjoy your xmas on your own you mug
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22/12/2020 16:10:15 2 0
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....Richard....
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First it was CERTAIN to protect, now 2 or 3 days on it's only LIKELY. A bit of a worry in all honesty & I really am NOT a scare mongerer. What gets me is if it has gone from certain to likey in only 2 days & now they are all saying that the vaccine could be "Re-engineerd" by wich I take it to mean remade as the old one will not protect, how much longer will that take? Plus the additional costs.
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22/12/2020 15:55:06 6 1
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you really are a Richard
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22/12/2020 16:02:58 3 2
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Really is that the best you can do? A really well thought out reply. I suspect you are one of those that flouts all the rules, never wears a mask, holds mulitple people gatherings, does not wash their hands & thinks the Teir system is related to wedding cakes.
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22/12/2020 15:52:58 0 13
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Why do we not have a national policy on the rollout of the vaccine?

Healthcare staff need to be vaccinated so that they can look after patients.

Some NHS trusts are only just starting to vaccinate their frontline staff ...
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22/12/2020 15:55:15 13 1
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We do have a national policy on the vaccine roll out. What do you think the healthcare professionals are doing at the moment?
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22/12/2020 15:59:40 0 5
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My comment was about who is being vaccinated not who is doing the vaccination itself.

Repeat.

Some NHS trusts are only just starting to vaccinate their staff
If BJ and his circus has done what other countries did at the beginning, we would not be in this mess now. Thanks BJ. Thanks BJ supporters.
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22/12/2020 15:59:55 9 1
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that's an incorrect statement.
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22/12/2020 16:02:15 0 0
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How so?
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22/12/2020 16:08:34 0 0
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You're welcome. Anything we can do to help.
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22/12/2020 15:46:51 286 27
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No doubt the "Anti Vax" brigade will be out in force soon with more baseless conspiracy theories.

This vaccine can be re-engineered quickly in a similar way that the flu vaccine changes each year as the flu mutates.

Well done to all the scientists working on this. The faster we can roll it out the better.
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22/12/2020 15:53:02 15 43
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“The obedient think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly." -Robert Anton Wilson
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At least they think.
Just like all those "cowards" who obediently climbed into Spitfires when Luftwaffe formations were coming over the English Channel?

Anti vaxxers are a disgrace to this nation. Every one of you needs a good hard slap.
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Gus
22/12/2020 21:28:44 0 0
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Lobe Robert anton wilson, love operation mindf ... but he was too intelligent to be an anti vaxxer. Automatically rebelling against authority is just as dumb as automatically trusting it.
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Ams
22/12/2020 15:55:30 6 11
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starting to think that this virus is only going to get more deadly. Each mutation will make it spread more easily and I just hope these vaccines are still effective when that happens.
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22/12/2020 15:58:06 15 3
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A virus has no benefit in killing it's host, the less deadly it is the more likely it's host will go onto infect more people.
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22/12/2020 16:00:17 8 0
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Fortunately most viruses become less deadly. A disease needs to survive. Killings it's host is not conducive of that. So the possibility it may become more deadly exits. But hopefully it will become more akin to a cold. More able to spread but far less likely to kill. There will always be a risk to vaulnerble people even from a cold.
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mc
22/12/2020 16:01:29 2 0
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mutate and weakens it does not want to kill its host all it kills itself
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22/12/2020 16:05:36 3 0
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Virus will mutate to survive they therefore tend towards greater transmissablity but reduced virulence as that ensures the survival.of more hosts.
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22/12/2020 15:46:51 286 27
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No doubt the "Anti Vax" brigade will be out in force soon with more baseless conspiracy theories.

This vaccine can be re-engineered quickly in a similar way that the flu vaccine changes each year as the flu mutates.

Well done to all the scientists working on this. The faster we can roll it out the better.
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22/12/2020 15:55:55 6 17
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Yes maybe, but it then takes months to produce the doses needed. It's not that simple to just tweak it and be giving the vaccine out in a week or so. Given the relation to the common cold virus, it's likely we would be faced with a catch up situation. One we most likely can not win. Unfortunately this is why some vaccines just do not become effective.
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22/12/2020 16:09:29 48 0
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But an awful lot have been extremely effective which is why people in the UK are no longer dying from diphtheria, tuberculosis, tetanus, smallpox, measles, rubella, polio etc.
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22/12/2020 16:18:29 14 0
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There is no "common cold" virus. It's over 200 isolated viruses (but other non-isolated ones) from 3 different virus families - rhinoviruses, coronaviruses and parainfluenza.
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22/12/2020 16:58:32 5 0
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I agree, mutation can be an issue, but some vaccination programmes have been enormously successful. Between 1900 and 1980, 300 million people died of smallpox, after 1980 none. Thanks to a successful vaccination programme by the WHO. Vaccines can and do work, as long as the vast majority of people take them. (I know smallpox (DNA) mutates at a much reduced rate to Covid-19 (RNA).)
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22/12/2020 17:00:07 3 0
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Until recently, the measles vaccination programme was quite successful, and measles is an RNA virus.
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22/12/2020 17:44:26 0 0
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I understand why you’ve been marked down for that; you’re not telling them what they want to hear. Realists not welcome.
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22/12/2020 15:53:57 11 3
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You are an idiot to not follow government guidelines. I suppose you can continue to peddle this misinformation to the 80000+ families who have lost loved ones and the stressed out medical staff who are having to look after all the ill patients with Covid.
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22/12/2020 15:56:42 2 6
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Where you get 80000 from? Bet half of that number was not covid related
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22/12/2020 16:10:35 1 0
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Little Richard
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22/12/2020 15:51:23 25 2
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Yes it can been changed equally quickly. The Oxford vaccine is just as good and uses the same technology as the flu jab. Please don't be an idiot and peddle misinformation to undermine the hard work that has gone into this excellent vaccine.
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22/12/2020 15:56:42 0 5
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Yes, the same technology as the flu vaccine that is only 50% effective
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22/12/2020 16:01:27 7 0
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You really don't understand the principles of vaccination.....
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22/12/2020 15:54:06 118 7
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Interesting (not necessarily in this article) how people "demand" certainty as though it is always tractable or somehow that we are entitled to it.

If you don't trust the vaccine please don't clog up the queue and move aside; and good luck with the virus instead.
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22/12/2020 15:57:03 22 114
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Another self righteous TW** on HYS, awesome!
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22/12/2020 16:57:52 4 0
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Self-knowledge is a wonderful thing, you should treasure it.
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Vid
22/12/2020 17:02:35 1 2
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BBC HOUSE RULES AGAIN!!
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22/12/2020 17:35:43 1 0
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Is that you? I think so on the amount of times your post has been voted down.
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22/12/2020 20:05:52 0 0
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Whats self righteous about facts. Give it to those who want it, if you dont take your chance, you had your options.
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22/12/2020 15:57:03 12 7
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Parachute "very likely" to open when deployed!
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22/12/2020 15:59:45 4 5
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THUD........ouch!
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22/12/2020 16:03:48 3 0
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This is why they build in a second chute, are they going to give us two separate vaccines and top of the two currently available .
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22/12/2020 16:14:12 1 0
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This is true - there's always a probability of failure
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22/12/2020 15:57:07 1 5
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A vaccine every year... Then... Great..
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22/12/2020 16:08:28 5 0
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No different to having an annual Flu jab
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22/12/2020 15:57:14 13 17
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We need a clear and precise answer to the question...Does the vaccine's already approved protect us against the new strain....answers like 'it should'..'hopefully' 'Probably' are simply not good enough answers. If the scientists don't know just say that in plain and simple answer.
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22/12/2020 15:59:09 8 3
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Possibly, maybe but we are not sure if we know.
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22/12/2020 15:59:20 1 1
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'probably' - it's good enough for beer. it's good enough for the BBC to quote about a global virus.
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22/12/2020 16:01:00 7 2
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They don't know as it's a new strain. No one possibly can know! They can give an educated guess based on observation of the new strain and years of research of other covid viruses.

That should be good enough unless you want them to predict next weeks lottery numbers also
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22/12/2020 16:01:06 3 0
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They can give an educated guess. People want to know their opinion.
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22/12/2020 16:04:03 5 2
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They are perfectly acceptable answers, and the best answers they have. Would you prefer 'no comment'? If you are 90% certain that you know the winner of a horse race (maybe because there are only 2 horses in it and the other one only has 2 legs) would you not say 'That horse will probably win' or would you just say 'I don't know'.
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22/12/2020 16:12:57 3 1
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...and how do you think such certainty is achieved? It's called the scientific method...
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22/12/2020 16:19:29 3 1
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and if you let the scientists have time to validate and analyse the data you will get it.

But don't waste your time asking people to use non-existent crystal balls to second guess the answer. They are working on it, give them time.
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22/12/2020 16:17:43 1 0
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You clearly don't understand how this works. If you wait until there is a 'clear and definite answer', then how many more innocents are you condemnin to death (in the circumstances, I don't count you as innocent, as you would be complicit).
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22/12/2020 15:46:03 4 11
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The season finale of 2020 is gonna have the virus turn people in zombies a la 28 days later
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22/12/2020 15:57:29 2 0
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To be fair I've zombie apocalypse on my 2020 bingo, so fingers crossed
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Ams
22/12/2020 15:55:30 6 11
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starting to think that this virus is only going to get more deadly. Each mutation will make it spread more easily and I just hope these vaccines are still effective when that happens.
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22/12/2020 15:58:06 15 3
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A virus has no benefit in killing it's host, the less deadly it is the more likely it's host will go onto infect more people.
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22/12/2020 16:00:18 1 3
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Tell that to this virus
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22/12/2020 16:02:57 0 3
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MG - are you suggesting the virus is capable of independent, logical thought?

"if I kill this host, I'll die"

didn't realise Covid had done level 3 maths.
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22/12/2020 15:49:55 198 7
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Can we please see much more coverage of the vaccination programme BBC. It is THE most positive story out there.

I'm not saying don't report what is going on but the front page bad news stories seems endless. Constant HYSays with people at each others throats as well. There are positive and uplifting stories out here in the real world.

Happy Christmas.
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22/12/2020 15:58:08 9 17
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No chance of that. It is vitally important that people remain unduly scared.
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22/12/2020 15:53:29 7 11
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Chief executive of BioNTech, said "scientifically, it is highly likely that [the] immune response by this vaccine also can deal with the new virus variant.
'He confirmed that he didn't know "at the moment" if their vaccine was able to provide protection against this new variant'.

So which is it then? Get's more like reading the Sunday Sport every day.
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22/12/2020 15:58:33 5 5
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He would say that wouldn't he. The share price falls if he says otherwise.
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22/12/2020 15:54:06 118 7
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Interesting (not necessarily in this article) how people "demand" certainty as though it is always tractable or somehow that we are entitled to it.

If you don't trust the vaccine please don't clog up the queue and move aside; and good luck with the virus instead.
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22/12/2020 15:58:43 10 4
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people just want the truth ...its as simple as that.
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QED
23/12/2020 11:13:28 0 0
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If you think truth is always simple then you are living in a fantasy. Which is why more complicated stuff is given as probabilities. Sorry you are not able to understand this complicated stuff.
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22/12/2020 15:58:45 7 4
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"very likely"

yeah. that's good enough, init.
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22/12/2020 16:02:20 6 3
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Yip , like the tradesman who is available immediately , you wouldn't use him either.
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22/12/2020 15:58:45 66 23
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To all the dumb people who think Boris et al. just made up this new variant to justify changing rules over Christmas...the rest of the world is all looking at this, scientists and doctors, and they all agree this new variant looks and behaves differently to others. However, I'm sure everyone who just criticises the govt for EVERYTHING know much better don't you.
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22/12/2020 16:01:14 14 35
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In a word....YES.
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22/12/2020 16:04:55 7 9
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Oh dear another nasty name call to begin. The "evidence" is scant unproven and none of the data is validated. As WHO confirmed you get new variants all the time but there is no reason for the level of panic caused by the British Government
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22/12/2020 16:17:33 10 9
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When you lie constantly to people,people become suspicious of anything you say, even when it is true.

The truly dumb believe everything that Boris says.

Remember the boy who cried wolf!
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22/12/2020 16:09:18 5 5
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Better than the even dumber people who believe everything that Boris et al. say:).
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22/12/2020 17:23:29 3 2
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I don't believe that at all.

However I do blame Boris for keeping it secret for 3 months! I do blame him for promising 5 days of Christmas!

He's managed to p*** off nearly everyone in our country and everyone in every other country all in a few days!
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22/12/2020 17:42:20 0 3
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What the government didn’t know for sure was did this strain spread quicker or was that just down to Wales and London having less restrictions than the rest of the UK at the time which is why it spread quicker....This is where they did use guesswork to scare people and it backfired in a big way! It shook the world economy for a day on pure guess work which shouldn’t have been said at the time!
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22/12/2020 15:58:57 9 21
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I'll take my chances with not having the vaccination, got 99.6 percent chance of survival without it
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22/12/2020 16:01:46 16 7
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Just infect everyone else and take them down with you, huh?
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22/12/2020 16:02:19 4 0
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Incorrect. Your chances depend most on your age and health.
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22/12/2020 16:07:03 6 1
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Lucky you, let's hope you're not Asymptotic as well and happily spreading it.
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22/12/2020 16:17:19 0 1
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...as long as you’re ok then- really, really tiny
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22/12/2020 15:57:14 13 17
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We need a clear and precise answer to the question...Does the vaccine's already approved protect us against the new strain....answers like 'it should'..'hopefully' 'Probably' are simply not good enough answers. If the scientists don't know just say that in plain and simple answer.
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22/12/2020 15:59:09 8 3
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Possibly, maybe but we are not sure if we know.
Your a sheep bet you drive around with a mask on when theres only you in the car Removed
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22/12/2020 15:59:17 4 1
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Enjoy your future hols in Bognor ????
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22/12/2020 16:01:08 7 35
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You wont be going anywhere you'll be to scared to leave the house sheep
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22/12/2020 16:10:21 2 0
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As King George V said: bu**er Bognor!
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No doubt the "Anti Vax" brigade will be out in force soon with more baseless conspiracy theories.

This vaccine can be re-engineered quickly in a similar way that the flu vaccine changes each year as the flu mutates.

Well done to all the scientists working on this. The faster we can roll it out the better.
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22/12/2020 15:59:19 40 3
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Ah yes the ludicrous microchip being injected conspiracy, even though most people already carry around a SIM card..
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Dan
22/12/2020 21:32:34 0 0
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Yes quantum dot tattoo vaccinations are conspiracy theory just as mass vaccination programs were, just as this "nanoparticle" vaccine was, just as the immunity passports (vaccine certificates) were, just as the perpetual lockdowns were, just as the great reset is and the terrible conspiracy theorists peddling all this like me being proved 100% correct all the way are just absolute proof i am wrong
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22/12/2020 15:57:14 13 17
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We need a clear and precise answer to the question...Does the vaccine's already approved protect us against the new strain....answers like 'it should'..'hopefully' 'Probably' are simply not good enough answers. If the scientists don't know just say that in plain and simple answer.
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22/12/2020 15:59:20 1 1
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'probably' - it's good enough for beer. it's good enough for the BBC to quote about a global virus.
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22/12/2020 15:49:51 5 18
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First it was CERTAIN to protect, now 2 or 3 days on it's only LIKELY. A bit of a worry in all honesty & I really am NOT a scare mongerer. What gets me is if it has gone from certain to likey in only 2 days & now they are all saying that the vaccine could be "Re-engineerd" by wich I take it to mean remade as the old one will not protect, how much longer will that take? Plus the additional costs.
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22/12/2020 15:59:23 7 1
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Who cares what it costs? And re-engineering a vaccine is not witchcraft. It happens all the time. Trust the science mate.
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22/12/2020 16:05:31 1 1
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Yes I get the costs should not matter & I agree ( There was not enough character space ijn my opening thread to say all I wanted so cut it short ) It's the time factor that worrie me more. If it takes 2 weeks to re-engineer the vaccine does that mean its ready to use in 2 weeks? Or are then more tests required to see if t's safe for public use after that, plus then the roll out on top.
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22/12/2020 15:53:27 20 2
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Show me the quote where it was "Certain". This is a invention of your imagination. It has always been "Very Likely"
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22/12/2020 15:59:27 2 6
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Yes I get that, but in reality you are just mincing words are you not? For them to say a new vaccine could be re-engineered in a couple of weeks, in my book & many that just speak PLAIN ENGLISH, means that there is a posibiity that the old vaccine will not protect. It's alreadt been ages & the 2 weeks to re-engineer doeS not state that it has been safe to use on the population either, so not good.
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22/12/2020 15:55:15 13 1
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We do have a national policy on the vaccine roll out. What do you think the healthcare professionals are doing at the moment?
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22/12/2020 15:59:40 0 5
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My comment was about who is being vaccinated not who is doing the vaccination itself.

Repeat.

Some NHS trusts are only just starting to vaccinate their staff
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22/12/2020 16:12:21 5 1
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That is because it is now their turn. I am in the extremely clinically vulnerable group and won't get mine until the end of January, along with the 70 - 75 yr old group. The order in which people will receive the vaccine is publicly available - if you look. I'm pleased to see that all the home-schooled imunologists have come on here to give us the benefit of their (lack) of knowledge. Thank you .
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22/12/2020 15:57:03 12 7
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Parachute "very likely" to open when deployed!
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22/12/2020 15:59:45 4 5
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THUD........ouch!
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22/12/2020 15:59:50 2 5
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New vaccine "within 6 weeks", but the clinical testing would take several months until completion and approval.
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22/12/2020 16:05:47 6 2
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Genetic modification doesn't require clinical testing its the equivalent of adjusting the Bass or the Treble on a sound system, the out put is the same its just the way you hear it that's different.
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22/12/2020 16:08:28 1 1
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Not really. The safety testing is already done because the change would be so small. Same logic as flu vaccine. If that had a full phase 1-4 trial every year it would be obsolete before it was ever deployed.
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22/12/2020 15:59:51 2 3
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Dear John, yes, the Oxford vaccine uses same technology as the flu jab that is just 50% effective, and get updated once a year
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22/12/2020 16:07:10 6 0
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No it doesn't. The Oxford vaccine is a stripped out chimp adenovirus re-engineered to express covid spike. The flu vaccine is four strains of real flu grown in chicken eggs and boiled up. Its crude as hell. The BioNTech one is an RNA vector which really can be modified in a few weeks if need be.
If BJ and his circus has done what other countries did at the beginning, we would not be in this mess now. Thanks BJ. Thanks BJ supporters.
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22/12/2020 15:59:55 9 1
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that's an incorrect statement.
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Ams
22/12/2020 15:55:30 6 11
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starting to think that this virus is only going to get more deadly. Each mutation will make it spread more easily and I just hope these vaccines are still effective when that happens.
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22/12/2020 16:00:17 8 0
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Fortunately most viruses become less deadly. A disease needs to survive. Killings it's host is not conducive of that. So the possibility it may become more deadly exits. But hopefully it will become more akin to a cold. More able to spread but far less likely to kill. There will always be a risk to vaulnerble people even from a cold.
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22/12/2020 15:58:06 15 3
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A virus has no benefit in killing it's host, the less deadly it is the more likely it's host will go onto infect more people.
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22/12/2020 16:00:18 1 3
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Tell that to this virus
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22/12/2020 16:11:02 1 0
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The virus already knows John. Virus's have a form of instinctive intelligence and as other posters have said it will like all other natural virus's adapt to infect and grow rather than kill and then die with the host
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22/12/2020 15:48:35 22 23
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There have been lot's of variants so far. The only reason we are making a fuss about this one is that BJ and Hancock wanted a novel excuse for reneging on his Christmas promise.

Currently, the "70% more infectious" is pure conjecture, without strong scientific evidence to back it up

While it's highly likely immunity won't be affected, at the current time this too is nothing more than speculation
Your level of negativity is pathetic. Removed
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22/12/2020 15:52:20 118 4
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The new virus mutation and more variants may emerge before enough have been vaccinated. The efforts of scientists who have made the vaccines possible represent an outstanding achievement . This is a reminder the work is not over yet , and it's good they are confident of adapting vaccines as needed.

We should all appreciate the contribution of volunteers , medics and essential workers this year.
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Rob
22/12/2020 16:00:45 41 5
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Your spot on with your sentiments and correctly that the vaccines will need to be seasonly adapted.

Minor mutations like this are very unlikely, individually to change the virus proteins sufficiently to become resistant to seasonally adapted vaccines. The initial vaccination program is to be on a scale we've never seen however and its very unlikely to be overtaken by mutation.
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22/12/2020 16:15:07 5 1
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This is NOT flu, seasonal variations are not a given. Measles and many other vaccines do not need regular "top-ups".
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22/12/2020 16:32:57 0 12
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NOT what the government are saying they have classed it as a major change and 22 different changes. So the vaccine that doesn't work anyway supplier now have a get out of jail card and yes they will be playing it
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22/12/2020 17:47:29 0 1
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"Unlikely to be overtaken by mutation"? There have been 27 reported mutations already.
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22/12/2020 15:57:14 13 17
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We need a clear and precise answer to the question...Does the vaccine's already approved protect us against the new strain....answers like 'it should'..'hopefully' 'Probably' are simply not good enough answers. If the scientists don't know just say that in plain and simple answer.
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22/12/2020 16:01:00 7 2
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They don't know as it's a new strain. No one possibly can know! They can give an educated guess based on observation of the new strain and years of research of other covid viruses.

That should be good enough unless you want them to predict next weeks lottery numbers also
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22/12/2020 16:08:02 1 6
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that is no where near good enough. The same "prediction" and broken model users who proclaimed millions of deaths is the UK. When 76 m globally have had the virus and 1% died. Possibly is not good enough 500 billion and counting + 100K plus unecessary deaths due to lack of treat for other patients . The "cure" is more dangerous than the cause
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22/12/2020 15:48:35 22 23
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There have been lot's of variants so far. The only reason we are making a fuss about this one is that BJ and Hancock wanted a novel excuse for reneging on his Christmas promise.

Currently, the "70% more infectious" is pure conjecture, without strong scientific evidence to back it up

While it's highly likely immunity won't be affected, at the current time this too is nothing more than speculation
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22/12/2020 16:01:04 0 0
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people like numbers. it's probably 45%-80%, and those two numbers have a 10% leeway.
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22/12/2020 15:57:14 13 17
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We need a clear and precise answer to the question...Does the vaccine's already approved protect us against the new strain....answers like 'it should'..'hopefully' 'Probably' are simply not good enough answers. If the scientists don't know just say that in plain and simple answer.
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22/12/2020 16:01:06 3 0
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They can give an educated guess. People want to know their opinion.
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22/12/2020 15:59:17 4 1
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Enjoy your future hols in Bognor ????
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You wont be going anywhere you'll be to scared to leave the house sheep
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22/12/2020 16:19:36 8 1
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Says the person terrified of a small piece of cloth.
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22/12/2020 15:58:45 66 23
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To all the dumb people who think Boris et al. just made up this new variant to justify changing rules over Christmas...the rest of the world is all looking at this, scientists and doctors, and they all agree this new variant looks and behaves differently to others. However, I'm sure everyone who just criticises the govt for EVERYTHING know much better don't you.
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22/12/2020 16:01:14 14 35
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In a word....YES.
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PWG
22/12/2020 16:19:44 1 1
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Does you your name refer to your cognitive ability?
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22/12/2020 15:56:42 0 5
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Yes, the same technology as the flu vaccine that is only 50% effective
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22/12/2020 16:01:27 7 0
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You really don't understand the principles of vaccination.....
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22/12/2020 15:53:29 7 11
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Chief executive of BioNTech, said "scientifically, it is highly likely that [the] immune response by this vaccine also can deal with the new virus variant.
'He confirmed that he didn't know "at the moment" if their vaccine was able to provide protection against this new variant'.

So which is it then? Get's more like reading the Sunday Sport every day.
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22/12/2020 16:00:59 5 1
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Actually its very clear. Scientifically he thinks it's likely [based on how their vaccine works]. But he doesn't know for certain [because they won't have trialled it yet] - the saddest thing of this whole virus are the arm chair experts!
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22/12/2020 16:28:56 0 2
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Key is no degree of certainty. Likely is a I think it is all right Jack answer. The FACT he hads the disclaimer "we don't know for certain" tells you everything . Enough to avoid been sued when it doesn't work, although none of the vaccines work today they are all 5%ers where no vaccine is a 1% chance
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22/12/2020 15:54:34 30 24
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And can we see more coverage of who exactly is being vaccinated?

Why were healthcare staff in many areas not at the top of the queue?
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22/12/2020 16:01:42 5 6
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Which planet are you on? Try and keep up to date.
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22/12/2020 16:03:17 2 5
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???
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22/12/2020 15:58:57 9 21
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I'll take my chances with not having the vaccination, got 99.6 percent chance of survival without it
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22/12/2020 16:01:46 16 7
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Just infect everyone else and take them down with you, huh?
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22/12/2020 16:04:15 1 3
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If everyone else chooses to be vaccinated they will be fine wont they?
If BJ and his circus has done what other countries did at the beginning, we would not be in this mess now. Thanks BJ. Thanks BJ supporters.
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22/12/2020 16:02:15 0 0
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How so?
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22/12/2020 15:58:57 9 21
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I'll take my chances with not having the vaccination, got 99.6 percent chance of survival without it
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22/12/2020 16:02:19 4 0
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Incorrect. Your chances depend most on your age and health.
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22/12/2020 16:03:55 1 3
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I'll take a risk.
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22/12/2020 15:58:45 7 4
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"very likely"

yeah. that's good enough, init.
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22/12/2020 16:02:20 6 3
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Yip , like the tradesman who is available immediately , you wouldn't use him either.
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22/12/2020 16:09:08 1 1
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good point ;)
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22/12/2020 15:49:51 5 18
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First it was CERTAIN to protect, now 2 or 3 days on it's only LIKELY. A bit of a worry in all honesty & I really am NOT a scare mongerer. What gets me is if it has gone from certain to likey in only 2 days & now they are all saying that the vaccine could be "Re-engineerd" by wich I take it to mean remade as the old one will not protect, how much longer will that take? Plus the additional costs.
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22/12/2020 16:02:36 4 1
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Did a bloke down the pub tell you all these 'facts'?
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22/12/2020 16:07:18 1 1
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No as unlike some I don't drink & even if I did, would have no way under the current situation have even thought about entering a pub & mixing with others, I for one like to protect myself & my loved ones, so take no risks unless 100% nessecary.
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22/12/2020 16:02:56 3 5
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I see 'Castrol' have come up with a vaccine now, oil be having that one.
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22/12/2020 15:58:06 15 3
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A virus has no benefit in killing it's host, the less deadly it is the more likely it's host will go onto infect more people.
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22/12/2020 16:02:57 0 3
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MG - are you suggesting the virus is capable of independent, logical thought?

"if I kill this host, I'll die"

didn't realise Covid had done level 3 maths.
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22/12/2020 16:04:17 0 0
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Look it up....
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22/12/2020 16:18:10 1 0
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Check your basic understanding of evolution. It requires no conscious forethought. But you know that really, don't you?
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22/12/2020 15:55:06 6 1
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you really are a Richard
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22/12/2020 16:02:58 3 2
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Really is that the best you can do? A really well thought out reply. I suspect you are one of those that flouts all the rules, never wears a mask, holds mulitple people gatherings, does not wash their hands & thinks the Teir system is related to wedding cakes.
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22/12/2020 16:17:53 1 1
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Covid viruses have been around for donkeys. Scientists have been studying them for years. This is a new variant of a new virus. They can't possibly tell you whether it will work any more then they can tell next weeks lottery numbers. What they can do based on previous experience and research is give you their educated opinion. Flu vaccine is modified yearly. So I stand by my original statement
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22/12/2020 16:03:11 2 5
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But what level of protection does it provide against the new variant? Unless I missed that part somewhere in the article.

A pair of sunglasses protect your eyes from the sun, but the level of protection they provide varies massively depending on various factors, and there are more factors which influence both efficacy and effectiveness in microbiology than there are in eye protection.
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22/12/2020 16:17:13 2 2
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Don't talk common sense, they don't understand -
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22/12/2020 16:01:42 5 6
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Which planet are you on? Try and keep up to date.
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22/12/2020 16:03:17 2 5
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???
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Ams
22/12/2020 15:55:30 6 11
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starting to think that this virus is only going to get more deadly. Each mutation will make it spread more easily and I just hope these vaccines are still effective when that happens.
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mc
22/12/2020 16:01:29 2 0
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mutate and weakens it does not want to kill its host all it kills itself
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22/12/2020 15:57:03 12 7
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Parachute "very likely" to open when deployed!
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22/12/2020 16:03:48 3 0
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This is why they build in a second chute, are they going to give us two separate vaccines and top of the two currently available .
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22/12/2020 15:49:51 5 18
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First it was CERTAIN to protect, now 2 or 3 days on it's only LIKELY. A bit of a worry in all honesty & I really am NOT a scare mongerer. What gets me is if it has gone from certain to likey in only 2 days & now they are all saying that the vaccine could be "Re-engineerd" by wich I take it to mean remade as the old one will not protect, how much longer will that take? Plus the additional costs.
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Rob
22/12/2020 16:03:51 7 1
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I dont know where you saw the word “certain” but this was always incorrect. 95% is not 100%, plus it relies upon a healthy and functioning immune system.

What is true is the effectiveness of the vaccine is very unlikely changed by a minor variation like this one.
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22/12/2020 16:02:19 4 0
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Incorrect. Your chances depend most on your age and health.
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22/12/2020 16:03:55 1 3
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I'll take a risk.
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22/12/2020 16:09:24 4 1
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With my taxes if you need intensive care. Maybe you should sign a waiver absolving yourself of NHS treatment when you refuse the vaccine
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22/12/2020 15:47:23 4 20
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Yes, but will the less effective Oxford vaccine we seem likely to be lumbered with be so easy to tweak? Seems unlikely, as it used the older technology. But it is British! Hooray! We are the best country in the world!
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22/12/2020 16:03:55 3 0
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Pathetic!
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22/12/2020 15:57:14 13 17
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We need a clear and precise answer to the question...Does the vaccine's already approved protect us against the new strain....answers like 'it should'..'hopefully' 'Probably' are simply not good enough answers. If the scientists don't know just say that in plain and simple answer.
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22/12/2020 16:04:03 5 2
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They are perfectly acceptable answers, and the best answers they have. Would you prefer 'no comment'? If you are 90% certain that you know the winner of a horse race (maybe because there are only 2 horses in it and the other one only has 2 legs) would you not say 'That horse will probably win' or would you just say 'I don't know'.
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22/12/2020 16:09:12 0 3
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Problem is these people always get the 90% chance and the outsider wins the 2 horse race even with 2 legs FACT
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22/12/2020 16:16:07 0 1
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Guessing by your reply your an avid Sun reader, as your saying its a gamble! just like horse racing.
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22/12/2020 16:01:46 16 7
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Just infect everyone else and take them down with you, huh?
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22/12/2020 16:04:15 1 3
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If everyone else chooses to be vaccinated they will be fine wont they?
Removed
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22/12/2020 15:53:29 7 11
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Chief executive of BioNTech, said "scientifically, it is highly likely that [the] immune response by this vaccine also can deal with the new virus variant.
'He confirmed that he didn't know "at the moment" if their vaccine was able to provide protection against this new variant'.

So which is it then? Get's more like reading the Sunday Sport every day.
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22/12/2020 16:04:17 4 0
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I'm going to hazard a guess. He believes it's highly likely, based on the science behind how it works, but he doesn't know for sure?

I.e. Exactly what he says.
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22/12/2020 16:02:57 0 3
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MG - are you suggesting the virus is capable of independent, logical thought?

"if I kill this host, I'll die"

didn't realise Covid had done level 3 maths.
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22/12/2020 16:04:17 0 0
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Look it up....
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22/12/2020 16:11:13 0 0
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things that have logical brains: things with logical brains
things that rely on biological/chemical processes: things with logical brains, and things that don't have logical brains
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22/12/2020 16:04:32 14 12
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it is all about waiting for the vaccines now ...

and trying to avoid catching the virus in the interim

and why are we waiting for the regulator to approve our best 'not for profit' vaccine ...

oh yes ... because Boris forgot to ask them to start their review earlier

... all that should have been needed was a final review of the latest research ... not starting from page 1 line 1

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22/12/2020 15:58:45 66 23
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To all the dumb people who think Boris et al. just made up this new variant to justify changing rules over Christmas...the rest of the world is all looking at this, scientists and doctors, and they all agree this new variant looks and behaves differently to others. However, I'm sure everyone who just criticises the govt for EVERYTHING know much better don't you.
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22/12/2020 16:04:55 7 9
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Oh dear another nasty name call to begin. The "evidence" is scant unproven and none of the data is validated. As WHO confirmed you get new variants all the time but there is no reason for the level of panic caused by the British Government
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22/12/2020 16:17:57 6 5
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Oh dear another nasty numpty who doesn't have the brains they were born with!

The fear comes from the media and people spreading fake news and of course the people who think going to pubs is worth becoming a super-spreader.
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22/12/2020 16:05:16 38 2
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When dealing with nature and living entities there can never be absolutes or certainly or we would all be hairy and living in trees .

There may well be a need to tailor vaccines every few months as with flu. The main thing is that by a major worldwide effort , irrespective of politics , race or religion humankind has come up with an option that may return is to normality in the coming year.
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22/12/2020 16:16:31 2 38
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it is not an option it is a gamble which is not as good as not having an injection
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22/12/2020 15:46:55 15 39
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Very likely? Yes ok. Biggest scam going this so called deadly virus. Totally blown out of proportion. Life isn't risk free trying to put your lives on hold for years wearing a paper mask isn't worth it. The vaccine doesnt ever stop transmission or getting the virus I will spending my xmas with all my family and friends as normal
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22/12/2020 16:05:29 3 0
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Grow up or ask your GP to refer you to Mental Health Services.
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22/12/2020 16:05:29 1 5
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Speculation.

The vaccine will not be as effective in preventing or fighting off infection as it was designed to prime the immune system for a different variant. It will however provide some immunity, in most people.

However, herd immunity is further away & kids will need the jab too!

Throw in the SA variant and were in a much worse position than when the first vaccine was given approval.
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22/12/2020 15:59:23 7 1
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Who cares what it costs? And re-engineering a vaccine is not witchcraft. It happens all the time. Trust the science mate.
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22/12/2020 16:05:31 1 1
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Yes I get the costs should not matter & I agree ( There was not enough character space ijn my opening thread to say all I wanted so cut it short ) It's the time factor that worrie me more. If it takes 2 weeks to re-engineer the vaccine does that mean its ready to use in 2 weeks? Or are then more tests required to see if t's safe for public use after that, plus then the roll out on top.
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Ams
22/12/2020 15:55:30 6 11
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starting to think that this virus is only going to get more deadly. Each mutation will make it spread more easily and I just hope these vaccines are still effective when that happens.
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22/12/2020 16:05:36 3 0
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Virus will mutate to survive they therefore tend towards greater transmissablity but reduced virulence as that ensures the survival.of more hosts.
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22/12/2020 15:59:50 2 5
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New vaccine "within 6 weeks", but the clinical testing would take several months until completion and approval.
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22/12/2020 16:05:47 6 2
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Genetic modification doesn't require clinical testing its the equivalent of adjusting the Bass or the Treble on a sound system, the out put is the same its just the way you hear it that's different.