How dependent is the UK on the EU for food?
23/12/2020 | news | business | 635
France's ban on freight from Britain caused havoc for lorry drivers, but will it affect shoppers?
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23/12/2020 10:55:06 21 7
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grow your own.
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23/12/2020 11:00:26 5 11
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In winter? Have you read the article? Clearly not.
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23/12/2020 11:09:47 2 5
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How can those in high rise buildings grow pigs-in-blankets?
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23/12/2020 10:55:31 134 20
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This reminds me of the mass starvation event last year when there was a shortage of pigs in blankets.

Privileged westerners really need to get a grip.
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23/12/2020 11:05:45 94 21
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Most people are unaffected , contrary to media sensationalism
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23/12/2020 12:18:47 1 0
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No pigs in blankets! OMG the poor pigs and we have such "damp cold soil" rhubarb thrives here.
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23/12/2020 12:25:48 0 0
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100% agree.
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23/12/2020 10:56:00 10 12
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Perhaps people will stop going on about how Britain should 'simply' be self-sufficient now.

It's just a meaningless dog-whistle slogan for those who think there's still a war on.
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23/12/2020 10:57:37 12 14
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The only war that is still ongoing is the remoaners war on democracy.
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23/12/2020 11:00:36 3 11
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sour grapes
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23/12/2020 10:56:13 15 5
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How much imported fruit and veg ends up in waste because it is unsold. Also, how much of our produce do we export to the EU when we import the same produce from there (e.g. Irish Cheddar when we export Cheddar to Ireland, Garlic to Spain when we import Garlic from Spain). Never had soft fruit like Strawb/Raspberries in the 50s, 60s, 70 in Winter. Didn't miss them and don't need them now!
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23/12/2020 12:25:53 2 0
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Yes - ridiculous practices. And we export 70% of the fish we land and import 75% of the fish we eat. Help change this at https://www.youk.co/

Everything made, produced or designed in the UK is there
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23/12/2020 10:57:03 61 2
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There's a big difference between importing food produced in the EU and importing via the EU. Lot's of food is produced in Morocco for example but comes via mainland Europe. Would be good to see these figures broken down.....
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23/12/2020 12:15:54 33 3
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Our analysis of DEFRA stats shows that the 50% food and drink we import costs 10 times the product miles of our local food and drink. No-one is saying not to import at all, but importing chicken from Vietnam and fish from China is just crazy. Check out this modern Buy British campaign: https://www.youk.co/

There are huge benefits for the environment, UK jobs and communities.
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23/12/2020 13:41:12 1 1
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This is true, but sadly the protectionist EU is a cartel and will impose tariffs
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23/12/2020 10:57:14 9 13
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There are plenty more fish in the sea

LOBSTER for breakfast
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MT
23/12/2020 11:05:29 2 1
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Good news for people on benefits!
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23/12/2020 11:11:54 2 0
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If only we could get it, plus all the Langoustines sent back to Loch Fyne that won't now find a buyer according to yesterday's news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55414386 and the Langoustine exporter saying he'll be out of business by Christmas.
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23/12/2020 10:56:00 10 12
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Perhaps people will stop going on about how Britain should 'simply' be self-sufficient now.

It's just a meaningless dog-whistle slogan for those who think there's still a war on.
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23/12/2020 10:57:37 12 14
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The only war that is still ongoing is the remoaners war on democracy.
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23/12/2020 10:59:51 3 3
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That's a contradiction in terms. We are exercising our democratic freedoms that you won 2 world wars and one world cup for.
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MT
23/12/2020 11:06:33 0 2
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That's rich coming from a supporter of the Cummings campaign!
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23/12/2020 10:57:45 18 1
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We need to be more innovative with our farming methods and be proactive in their changes to stand any hope of becoming more self reliant in the future. I have been in farming many years and it has stagnated and all the smaller niche producers forced out of business including small dairies as consumers want cheaper and cheaper (or so we are told by supermarkets)
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23/12/2020 10:59:41 3 13
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Food is cheap because labour is cheap.
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23/12/2020 11:05:00 11 0
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There is a new mega greenhouse outside Bury St Edmunds that is powered in part by heat from the nearby sewage works. We need more like this; we should copy the Dutch who are more advanced in horticulkture.
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23/12/2020 10:58:26 16 15
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Manipulated EU reliance must be reversed.
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23/12/2020 11:06:46 3 6
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You imply that the reliance is a deliberate ploy by those fiendish Europeans?
Perhaps look closer to home.
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23/12/2020 10:58:33 54 7
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Eat Seasonal Veg!
Adapt Culinary Habits!
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Dcf
23/12/2020 10:56:53 21 2
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I wasn't aware of how critical the ingredients of salads was to our nation. This is serious. The whole country risks falling apart for lack of lettuce leaves.
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23/12/2020 11:00:17 20 12
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Watercress is a great alternative and comes from Hampshire.
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23/12/2020 11:01:19 6 0
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It's not rocket science if you understand the economics of it.
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23/12/2020 21:38:45 1 0
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There are plenty of winter salad leaves that can be grown in the uk e.g. mustard leaves, some rocket and mizuna - it's just getting the public to swap to those they are not yet familiar with.
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23/12/2020 10:59:26 125 19
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I cannot imagine why anyone wants to eat hard, white unripe strawberries from Spain in the winter when one has British apples, rhubarb and the like. The winter abstinance makes the British summer fruit taste even better. As for those wooden foreign plums!
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23/12/2020 11:39:17 33 22
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and you've always had the choice to eat British all year round if that's what you really want. Why does it matter what others have wanted to buy?
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23/12/2020 12:25:57 4 0
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Rhubarb doesn't grow in the winter in the UK you have to wait for spring
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23/12/2020 12:40:54 4 2
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Unfortunately 'buy British' costs more for some unfathomable reason
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23/12/2020 18:47:06 0 0
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"white unripe strawberries"

Saw some of those. Left on shelves.
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23/12/2020 10:59:31 46 10
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Plenty of fruit and veg in South Africa this time of year; we just need to change our food supply.
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23/12/2020 11:02:43 25 20
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And physically move South Africa closer?
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23/12/2020 11:03:08 9 7
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Are you prepared to pay more for food which has travelled further, thereby also causing more damage to the environment?
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23/12/2020 18:48:02 0 0
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and import fresh food from 1000s of miles away at vast expense? back to paying luxury prices to cover the cost of importing it by refrigerated ship or planes as opposed to driving it over from a a few 100 miles.
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23/12/2020 19:47:44 0 0
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So is a new variant of covid-19!
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23/12/2020 10:57:45 18 1
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We need to be more innovative with our farming methods and be proactive in their changes to stand any hope of becoming more self reliant in the future. I have been in farming many years and it has stagnated and all the smaller niche producers forced out of business including small dairies as consumers want cheaper and cheaper (or so we are told by supermarkets)
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23/12/2020 10:59:41 3 13
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Food is cheap because labour is cheap.
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CG
23/12/2020 11:02:57 6 1
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Food is cheap because farming is Subsidised by State or EU funding to reduce competition from Outside the EU, there I fixed it for you :)
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23/12/2020 11:07:53 2 1
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Rubbish food is cheap because margins are pushed to the limit by supermarkets. Take chicken at Tesco for £2.95.
Price to Tesco £140 from packaging company
Packaging company price at slaughter 70p
Haulage cost to slaughter 20p
farmers return 50p
Now explain how you can look after, feed and rear any animal with any welfare for 50p
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23/12/2020 10:57:37 12 14
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The only war that is still ongoing is the remoaners war on democracy.
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23/12/2020 10:59:51 3 3
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That's a contradiction in terms. We are exercising our democratic freedoms that you won 2 world wars and one world cup for.
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23/12/2020 11:18:09 2 0
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No, you were trying to reverse a democratic vote before it had even been enacted and using undemocratic means to do so.
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Dcf
23/12/2020 10:56:53 21 2
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I wasn't aware of how critical the ingredients of salads was to our nation. This is serious. The whole country risks falling apart for lack of lettuce leaves.
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23/12/2020 11:00:17 20 12
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Watercress is a great alternative and comes from Hampshire.
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23/12/2020 11:05:53 2 0
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Better for you too.
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23/12/2020 11:07:00 2 0
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Tastes better too!
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23/12/2020 13:14:40 0 0
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Not in Winter it doesn’t. Mostly airfreight from US
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23/12/2020 10:55:06 21 7
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grow your own.
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23/12/2020 11:00:26 5 11
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In winter? Have you read the article? Clearly not.
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23/12/2020 11:09:31 7 0
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Ate our own tomatoes all the way up to Nov. Got our own home grown sprouts. A freezer full of summer fruits and Apple's, lettuce still out there, herbs a plenty. Potatoes in store, carrots still in grounds we live in a two up two down with a small garden.
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23/12/2020 10:56:00 10 12
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Perhaps people will stop going on about how Britain should 'simply' be self-sufficient now.

It's just a meaningless dog-whistle slogan for those who think there's still a war on.
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23/12/2020 11:00:36 3 11
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sour grapes
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23/12/2020 11:04:08 2 2
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Is that all that's left in your local Lidl? You do know they're German?
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23/12/2020 10:56:53 21 2
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I wasn't aware of how critical the ingredients of salads was to our nation. This is serious. The whole country risks falling apart for lack of lettuce leaves.
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23/12/2020 11:01:19 6 0
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It's not rocket science if you understand the economics of it.
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23/12/2020 11:25:45 1 12
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It's not rocket science , it's ROCKET SALAD !
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Lef
23/12/2020 11:01:57 49 6
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People are used anyway to not having a decent choice of, especially, fruit. Since when could you get a decent peach, nectarine or apricot in summer (unless you like something more like a cannonball and better used for lobbing at French trawlers)? Get used to eating rhubarb, gooseberries, blackcurrants, brambles ... as well as apples and pears
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23/12/2020 12:32:17 6 14
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Where are the blackcurrant orchards? you may have a bush in the garden but will it supply the supermarkets?
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23/12/2020 17:18:03 3 1
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There are many back gardens where I come from in East Dorset that have Blackcurrant, Redcurrant, Gooseberry, Raspberry, Tayberry, apples and pears in them! Easy peasy to grow and propogate too! All easy to freeze or convert into jams, yum!
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23/12/2020 11:02:03 51 12
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We used to manage on seasonal goods in the past and I guess we should learn how to do that again so that this situation cannot be repeated.
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23/12/2020 11:02:07 201 24
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There is a message here........eat seasonal home produced fruit & veg.
The more exotic fruits etc. can be a treat rather than a staple.
Will it ever happen?
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23/12/2020 11:13:23 142 17
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When I was a lad in the 1950's, that is exactly how it was. Tangerines were a treat at Christmas!
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23/12/2020 11:33:51 13 11
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Like fish and chips, only the cod is from Norway the batter is made with Canadian flour its fried in gm soya oil from outside the EU and the best chips are Cyprus potato ones all cooked in the local Chinese chippy
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23/12/2020 11:50:48 42 18
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There's another message here... Don't make a complete and absolute mess of your relationship with your nearest and most important supplier by trying to appeal to xenophobic nationalists.
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23/12/2020 12:03:57 14 3
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Quite. I can say in all honesty I have never in my many decades of existence eaten lettuce at Christmas
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23/12/2020 12:13:57 14 7
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No, the message is 'stop aiming low' and get your country back into shape instead of the pathetic nation it has become.
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23/12/2020 12:16:26 13 5
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100% agree with you, is it such a hardship not to have some lettuce in winter.......there is a growing number of uk citizens who think doing without strawberries is hardship. Are you kidding me !,
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23/12/2020 12:31:48 14 2
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Not to mention the carbon footprint to get all the non seasonal stuff here.
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23/12/2020 12:44:46 13 6
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Lets go the whole hog and start using powdered egg and eating woolton pie, in fact lets bring back the ration book. Talk about looking back rather than forward = Brexiteer!
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23/12/2020 12:51:43 7 2
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I read somewhere the the UK produced 45% of its food in 1939. By 1945 we were producing 92%. But it was all basic and seasonal. Most of our parks and gardens were turned over to food production and there was strict rationing and a thriving black market.
Oh well - happy days (not).
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23/12/2020 13:38:26 6 2
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Bang on the nail. The trouble is we have the self entitled brigade that want all in a shrink wrapped packet and then end up throwing half of it in the bin. The amount of food we waste is staggering. I come from a generation that was glad to get a square meal and there was never any waste. My mother used every ounce and there was never any waste.
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23/12/2020 14:01:53 1 6
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When we but our supplies from other sources rather than the EU food will become cheaper as they will have to negotiate to be competitive, our supplies from the EU will be less and less, and our own markets will start to adapt to meet demand as well, panic seems to be a way of life for some people, yes thing will be a little more scarce and expensive, but in the short term, then it will settle down
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23/12/2020 16:28:01 1 0
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Only if it were prominently and clearly labelled as "British". Many of us WOULD like to buy home-grown stuff, but at present the E.U. would probably frown on it. Roll on Independence Day.
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23/12/2020 18:42:35 0 0
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Entirely agree. Why do people or is it the suppliers wanting to cash in on a desire rather than necessity.
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23/12/2020 22:17:47 0 0
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back to the 1930's then, thought the idea was progression, not regression.
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24/12/2020 09:07:25 0 0
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30% food FROM THE EU, so if we stop food waste (10 Million tonnes 70% intended for human consumption, that's about 250,000 container lorries in 2019) Problem over! So if you have lots of food left over this Christmas, go on the food channel, look on the net or dare I say GET A COOK BOOK OUT (a book? shock horror) BUT STOP WASTING FOOD. Remember, Marmite goes with Lettuce.
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23/12/2020 11:02:35 3 3
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How many kids eat cabbages and cauliflowers these days?
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23/12/2020 11:15:31 7 0
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How many kids are obese these days?
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23/12/2020 10:59:31 46 10
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Plenty of fruit and veg in South Africa this time of year; we just need to change our food supply.
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23/12/2020 11:02:43 25 20
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And physically move South Africa closer?
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23/12/2020 12:27:23 4 4
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"physically move South Africa closer?"

No, remember UK is no longer part of Europe. The secret plan is to drift down the east Atlantic and become the Madagascar of Africa's west coast.
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23/12/2020 10:59:41 3 13
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Food is cheap because labour is cheap.
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23/12/2020 11:02:57 6 1
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Food is cheap because farming is Subsidised by State or EU funding to reduce competition from Outside the EU, there I fixed it for you :)
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23/12/2020 10:59:31 46 10
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Plenty of fruit and veg in South Africa this time of year; we just need to change our food supply.
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23/12/2020 11:03:08 9 7
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Are you prepared to pay more for food which has travelled further, thereby also causing more damage to the environment?
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23/12/2020 11:51:32 10 3
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Fruit n veg grown under the natural light and heat of the sun and then shipped from S. Africa have a far lower environmental impact than stuff produced after 6 months in a fossil-fuel heated Dutch hothouse.
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23/12/2020 11:03:11 110 20
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What did we do before the Common Market? We ate what we grew our selves - seasonal fresh food. What is the problem with that? People throw away most of the fresh prduce that is imported, so prhaps if there are shortages and we move to seasonal eating it will make people more responsible regarding food waste and ultimately reduce climate impact.
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23/12/2020 11:11:30 43 25
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We should have had you in charge in the war. Rationing started after 4 months & did not end until 9 YEARS after the war had finished. Why didn't we just eat all the homegrown surplus?
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23/12/2020 11:29:20 22 6
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I'm easily old enough to remember pre EU food. If it was so good why did we change? My recollection is of very dull food especially in winter.
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23/12/2020 11:46:53 3 5
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In the late sixties I was in hospital and I can remember all my visitors bringing me Scottish grapes but I preferred the ones from Yorkshire as they where red big and juicy it was also January so that proves we can do anything. If you want proof just watch Carry on Matron / Nurse
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23/12/2020 12:00:34 10 0
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The UK as it is now called has been importing food for thousands of years.
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23/12/2020 12:39:21 7 5
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Before the common market, the UK still imported a lot of food from abroad! In WW2 our nation almost starved , rationing until the mid 1950's! It's a myth that we plucky brits can soldier on eating turnips !
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23/12/2020 13:36:06 5 0
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Correct, but actually we can produce this stuff just like holland through industrial sized greenhouses.
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23/12/2020 11:03:50 18 4
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nothing more than an exercise by France to show how it can control the flow of goods into the UK , at a crucial time in the Brexit negotiations ; the corvid variant isn't only in the UK its Europe wide viruses mutations are normal. I feel sorry for the poor drivers stuck in this farce & for anyone who feels the need to bulk by anything when the country has people queuing at food banks ...
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23/12/2020 11:00:36 3 11
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sour grapes
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23/12/2020 11:04:08 2 2
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Is that all that's left in your local Lidl? You do know they're German?
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23/12/2020 11:04:53 4 1
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For sure it is all a tad inconvenient not to have more cabbage etc, but I reckon we'll squeeze through - there are other roughage options! I feel very sorry for these drivers stuck at the port for several days for whom we should have a 'veggie' whip round, so they can see us Brits as being the caring & compassionate nation that we are!
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23/12/2020 10:57:45 18 1
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We need to be more innovative with our farming methods and be proactive in their changes to stand any hope of becoming more self reliant in the future. I have been in farming many years and it has stagnated and all the smaller niche producers forced out of business including small dairies as consumers want cheaper and cheaper (or so we are told by supermarkets)
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23/12/2020 11:05:00 11 0
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There is a new mega greenhouse outside Bury St Edmunds that is powered in part by heat from the nearby sewage works. We need more like this; we should copy the Dutch who are more advanced in horticulkture.
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23/12/2020 10:57:14 9 13
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There are plenty more fish in the sea

LOBSTER for breakfast
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23/12/2020 11:05:29 2 1
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Good news for people on benefits!
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23/12/2020 11:11:10 3 14
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Fish will be cheap and plentiful in UK if No deal is achieved.
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23/12/2020 11:05:30 21 4
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We need to become more self sufficient and eat seasonal produce where possible which not only tastes better but is also cheaper.
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23/12/2020 12:20:07 1 0
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Absolutely - and fresher! Check out anything made, produced or designed in the UK at https://www.youk.co/
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23/12/2020 11:05:40 150 33
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We will continue to import and export after 31st December. I know the London liberals are worried they won't be able to buy French cheese and wine for their dinner parties, but it will be fine. Its in everyone's interest to trade. We won't cut our nose off to spite our face, and the EU won't allow EU members to lose trade as a result of our exit. Just give it time and we'll find a "new normal" ??
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23/12/2020 11:09:56 80 15
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Absolutely agree some common sense at last!
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23/12/2020 11:20:52 18 9
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No-one is suggesting that we won't trade or that anyone will starve. It will just get more expensive & more inconvenient, possibly with less choice. But hey, it's what we wanted eh? The "new normal" being worse that the old one.
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23/12/2020 11:46:41 11 10
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Your pin-ups, Boris, Dominic, Nigel, et al told us we were all heading for the sunny uplands, not a new normal. As we all surely know now, new normal means "quite a bit worse than it was". COVID-19 has delivered a new normal, and so will BREXIT. Yes, we will trade with the EU but it will be, by definition, on worse conditions.
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23/12/2020 11:49:02 9 6
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About time someone spoke sense and told everyone to stop worrying,we will cope and trade with the rest of the world
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23/12/2020 12:02:05 5 0
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Importing and exporting only starts on the first of January, all movements of goods at the moment are acquisitions and are only subject to VAT there are some exemptions such as dangerous materials etc but normal everyday things are treated as if it was being move from Manchester to London
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23/12/2020 12:08:01 11 4
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"We will continue to import and export after 31st December … give it time and we'll find a new normal"

Of course. But that's not the issue. The issue is by how much UK's standard of living will reduce in this new normal.

Very few want a return to the 60s-70s low standards.
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23/12/2020 13:29:27 4 5
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Correct. There will be a deal in due course when the 5 largest EU countries with which we do over 80% of our trade with realise the horror of what will happen to them. We can find and will find new markets. Australia, South Africa, America and Russia produce the greatest agricultural produce on earth
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23/12/2020 13:33:18 1 3
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McTabish speaks sense and it's good to see some people on here with a basic grasp of economics and, dare I say, some real world experience in trade? Despite the BBC's best efforts to cover it up - Germany + France will be hit economically in a no deal scenario and are absolutely desperate for one. As for the sheer brinkmanship and talk of 'last chance' offers, it's all nonsense.
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23/12/2020 13:58:36 2 1
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It depends on the deal. If it is WTO there will be mandatory tariffs. If a zero tariff deal, that is better but a free trade deal is not frictionless trade. There will be more checks and red tape which add to costs. That is why we agreed these things with the EU decades ago. Add the loss of access for services -not in the singe market - and it's a net loss all round.
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23/12/2020 14:02:36 1 1
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The questions are how much time and how much extra will it cost us? This whole exercise is going to push inflation as Boris implied when pre-brexit he said UK tradesmen's wages would increase as there would be 'less foreign competition'.
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23/12/2020 17:18:11 0 0
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I'll be buying Oz/Chilean/Argentinian/other than French wine/other produce...
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23/12/2020 17:22:06 0 0
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McTabish WROTE:~

"Everyone's interest to trade"

Tell that to the know-it-all UK MSM ad Westminster classes. Repeatedly until they "Get it" like the rest of us have had to do.

Yes "Everyone's interest to trade"... those two cushioned against reality classes and the EU Brussels shower really need to fully understand that. Exclude them ... immediately.

Former trader with ROTW. Trade works.
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23/12/2020 10:55:31 134 20
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This reminds me of the mass starvation event last year when there was a shortage of pigs in blankets.

Privileged westerners really need to get a grip.
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23/12/2020 11:05:45 94 21
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Most people are unaffected , contrary to media sensationalism
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23/12/2020 18:44:24 0 0
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The media, including the Beeb which was once looked upon as a balanced news service, has now transformed 8nto a sensualist so called news reporter. Sad times.
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23/12/2020 19:40:49 0 0
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"most people" bought all available rolls of loo paper when there wasn't a shortage - how do you think they will cope if there is
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23/12/2020 11:05:52 36 8
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No shortage of any fruit and veg this morning and what we did buy was all grown in Britain
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23/12/2020 11:08:38 10 15
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Depends how limited your range of fruit and veg is.
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23/12/2020 11:13:44 6 1
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So the report we've just read is untrue then?
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23/12/2020 11:19:14 3 2
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It takes a few days for food to get from ports into warehouses/wholesale markets then into shops/market stalls. Wait a few days before things start to run low. It'll also impact the food processing business as lots of "made in Britain" stuff uses produce grown abroad.
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23/12/2020 18:48:46 0 0
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I would check the labels if I were you...
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23/12/2020 11:00:17 20 12
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Watercress is a great alternative and comes from Hampshire.
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Better for you too.
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23/12/2020 10:57:37 12 14
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The only war that is still ongoing is the remoaners war on democracy.
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MT
23/12/2020 11:06:33 0 2
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That's rich coming from a supporter of the Cummings campaign!
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23/12/2020 11:27:09 1 1
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Which campaign was that?
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23/12/2020 10:58:26 16 15
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Manipulated EU reliance must be reversed.
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23/12/2020 11:06:46 3 6
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You imply that the reliance is a deliberate ploy by those fiendish Europeans?
Perhaps look closer to home.
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23/12/2020 11:11:59 1 13
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You read into it whatever makes you happier.

* UNBELIEVABLE *
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23/12/2020 11:07:49 1 6
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Be Yourself

Plenty of fruit and veg in South Africa this time of year; we just need to change our food supply.

#

EU and UK already import a lot of S African fruit and veg. There is no surplus just waiting for us.
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23/12/2020 10:59:41 3 13
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Food is cheap because labour is cheap.
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23/12/2020 11:07:53 2 1
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Rubbish food is cheap because margins are pushed to the limit by supermarkets. Take chicken at Tesco for £2.95.
Price to Tesco £140 from packaging company
Packaging company price at slaughter 70p
Haulage cost to slaughter 20p
farmers return 50p
Now explain how you can look after, feed and rear any animal with any welfare for 50p
42
23/12/2020 11:07:53 13 2
bbc
If we "need" non seasonable produce such as tomatoes, salad leaves, soft fruits etc could we not build green houses and grow our own? If the greenhouses were built under solar panels it could be a win/win situation.
588
23/12/2020 21:48:50 1 0
bbc
Check out Planet Thanet in Kent they grow lots of yummy salad stuff - but cost a little more. Sooooo much better flavour than those cheap imports from netherlands and morrocco.
43
23/12/2020 11:08:30 9 2
bbc
Hopefully this will provide UK food producers with a market for all their produce and not be handicapper by supermarket requirements for vegetables that look good.

They EU trade talks will be well aware of the potential problems they will cause within EU countries should an agreement not be reached.
71
23/12/2020 11:14:38 4 2
bbc
OK
no Spanish tomatoes, oranges, lettuce, olives or holidays
no French grapes or wine and chesses, no French cars of vans
no German cars, vans, wine, etc
no EU migrants
no EU diseses Dutch elm, larch die back, etc
No fish on fridays fro most of EU
36
23/12/2020 11:05:52 36 8
bbc
No shortage of any fruit and veg this morning and what we did buy was all grown in Britain
44
23/12/2020 11:08:38 10 15
bbc
Depends how limited your range of fruit and veg is.
582
23/12/2020 21:22:05 0 0
bbc
Presumably your glass is always half empty (of expensive European wine)!
45
23/12/2020 11:09:30 12 5
bbc
The UK can be self sufficient in food. Just eat food in season like other countries. If food does go up by a penny or two then our farmers will earn more.

Stop whinging about wanting lettuce in December. Eat British

And if there’s a No Deal the price of fish will come down as the UK will have 100%of the catch not just the 15% the eu let’s us have

Roll on Freedom day
17
23/12/2020 11:00:26 5 11
bbc
In winter? Have you read the article? Clearly not.
46
23/12/2020 11:09:31 7 0
bbc
Ate our own tomatoes all the way up to Nov. Got our own home grown sprouts. A freezer full of summer fruits and Apple's, lettuce still out there, herbs a plenty. Potatoes in store, carrots still in grounds we live in a two up two down with a small garden.
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jay
23/12/2020 11:09:37 14 4
bbc
We need to start growing our own. Clearly the lettuce, tomatoes etc we import are grown under glass in the Netherlands why can't UK do that?
As for meat imports, mainly from Ireland, we have lots of fish we export to the EU...Fish and chips anyone?
309
23/12/2020 12:23:33 3 0
bbc
We export 70% of the fish we land and import 75% of the fish we eat. Help change this at https://www.youk.co/food/fish
375
23/12/2020 13:17:25 0 0
bbc
No, grown outdoors/ under plastic in Spain. Look for photos from space of the “mare plastics”
1
23/12/2020 10:55:06 21 7
bbc
grow your own.
48
23/12/2020 11:09:47 2 5
bbc
How can those in high rise buildings grow pigs-in-blankets?
223
23/12/2020 12:14:26 0 0
bbc
I guess that's all you're having to eat over Xmas then?
49
23/12/2020 11:10:07 2 4
bbc
We need to learn how to eat and drink Brexit fruit and vegatables.
50
23/12/2020 11:10:20 87 8
bbc
Grow you own, grow local. If the Dutch can use heated green houses then so can we , we should not be a hostage to imports whether its food, machinery or energy. People are turning to local suppliers we just need more of them.
74
23/12/2020 11:15:54 42 76
bbc
Thank you Farmer Palmer, as usual with the simplistic ideas of Brexiteers it isn't that straight forward. Sticking poly tunnels up isn't some panacea, it takes massive investment plus significant running costs. The UK is generally colder than the low countries. Also, how are we to close a 50%+ production shortfall instantly?
As usual, Brexit fantasy.
127
23/12/2020 11:34:26 4 2
bbc
Have you actually eaten Dutch fruit and veg? It's anaemic at best
367
23/12/2020 13:11:56 1 0
bbc
Dutch salad crop is May to Nov, they import Spanish too in winter . Heating and lighting a 25Ha glasshouse would cause massive CO2 emissions.
542
23/12/2020 18:45:06 0 1
bbc
and for people who have no gardens ? to make heated greenhouses profitable, you have to be growing acres of produce. not too many can afford that
629
24/12/2020 10:09:41 0 1
bbc
And the Dutch greenhouses are heavily subsidised by their government.
Removed
52
23/12/2020 11:05:08 148 26
bbc
What a bunch of cry babies when i was a boy(60's/70's) nobody had 'salad' in winter we ate winter food or seasonal as some might say it's only the likes of the elitist Islingtonians that demand punnets of watery tasteless tomatoes and strawberries or force grown limp lettuce.
I've always looked forward to steaming hot bowls of chunky veg soup and chicken casseroles on cold dark winter days.
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23/12/2020 11:23:09 73 89
bbc
And gruel for breakfast. Fish head soup for supper is a treat too!
I must be of a similar age to you and I can assure you I do not pine for a return to the 60's & 70's, why would you want a massively lower standard of living?
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Rob
23/12/2020 11:38:12 18 2
bbc
it's still nice to have a choice....nobody forces you to buy what you don't want to, but it is right for other people (who might think differently from you) to have that opportunity.
142
23/12/2020 11:40:08 19 6
bbc
Well thanks for denying the rest of us a more varied diet so you can get the same soup and stew you've always been able to look forward to.
160
23/12/2020 11:49:42 21 6
bbc
I find it somewhat ironic that all the ‘When I were a lad back in the 60s, we ate wood chips and asbestos” brigade are commenting on a digital platform using their iPhones and Android tablets...
199
23/12/2020 12:05:45 5 7
bbc
Supercilious and patronising. You don't have a point either just an ooze of sickly nostalgia.
608
24/12/2020 00:52:28 0 0
bbc
I call BS as we had salad in the 70s when I was a kid in the 70s sweetie.
53
23/12/2020 11:05:41 60 22
bbc
An opportunity to help the environment by eating seasonal produce, as we have for thousands of years.

Snowflakes can manage without lettuce for a couple of months.
120
23/12/2020 11:30:01 14 13
bbc
Or 8 months to be more accurate.
151
23/12/2020 11:44:05 11 0
bbc
That is DEFINITELY how I remember Brexit being sold in 2016. I remember that bus with 'NO LETTUCE FOR SNOWFLAKES' on the side!
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djf
23/12/2020 17:08:26 0 0
bbc
Seemingly they can't.
615
24/12/2020 08:01:21 1 0
bbc
Why should we have to? Oh I remember because our dictator PM sold us a croc of shit about the big bad robbers the other side of the channel, but forgot to mention how easy we had it with free trading, with the big bad robbers. Get real Brexit would never have happened if johnson and Farage had told us the truth
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MT
23/12/2020 11:05:29 2 1
bbc
Good news for people on benefits!
54
23/12/2020 11:11:10 3 14
bbc
Fish will be cheap and plentiful in UK if No deal is achieved.
27
23/12/2020 11:03:11 110 20
bbc
What did we do before the Common Market? We ate what we grew our selves - seasonal fresh food. What is the problem with that? People throw away most of the fresh prduce that is imported, so prhaps if there are shortages and we move to seasonal eating it will make people more responsible regarding food waste and ultimately reduce climate impact.
55
23/12/2020 11:11:30 43 25
bbc
We should have had you in charge in the war. Rationing started after 4 months & did not end until 9 YEARS after the war had finished. Why didn't we just eat all the homegrown surplus?
77
23/12/2020 11:17:03 12 5
bbc
Rationing long after the war was because - we were helping to feed Europe, either directly, or by passing on that which the US had provided to us.
396
23/12/2020 13:37:49 6 0
bbc
We actually flew in vast amounts of British food into Berlin during the blackade to support the German peple during the Russian blockade. Ironic is it not. You seem rather ignorant.
546
23/12/2020 18:53:33 0 0
bbc
Fake slant.

Chocolate. sweets and other unnecessary foodstuffs were the last off ration!

Get a job for life in the media news rooms with slant bias like that!
56
23/12/2020 11:11:37 119 7
bbc
I see our farmers throw so many imperfect fruits/vegetables away. We as customers need to stop being picky and wasteful IF we do not want to rely on imports.
90
23/12/2020 11:20:49 27 25
bbc
Isn't this just a myth propagated by overpriced food box suppliers to sell their products?
327
23/12/2020 12:43:43 7 0
bbc
Don't blame the farmers for throwing away imperfect produce. The supermarkets and their buyers make the rules. It is good that some supermarkets offer "imperfect" veg at lower prices, but I dare say there is still plenty of stuff that never makes it to the shelves, even if we did want to buy it.
457
23/12/2020 14:59:14 2 0
bbc
Yes the orchard near our house is unpicked for a second season......
504
SJB
23/12/2020 17:16:37 0 0
bbc
Totally agree. Tesco sell imperfect apples grown in the UK. They are delicious and half the price of so-called perfect apples.
561
23/12/2020 19:54:33 0 0
bbc
Correct. Go to a local horse stables near you (there are more than you think), farmers sell 10kg bags of carrots to feed the horses for a few quid because the supermarkets don't take the mis-shapen ones. Carrot soup heaven and you can freeze it so you don't get sick of it. Seriously though so much waste, it has stop.
16
23/12/2020 11:00:17 20 12
bbc
Watercress is a great alternative and comes from Hampshire.
57
23/12/2020 11:07:00 2 0
bbc
Tastes better too!
6
23/12/2020 10:57:14 9 13
bbc
There are plenty more fish in the sea

LOBSTER for breakfast
58
23/12/2020 11:11:54 2 0
bbc
If only we could get it, plus all the Langoustines sent back to Loch Fyne that won't now find a buyer according to yesterday's news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55414386 and the Langoustine exporter saying he'll be out of business by Christmas.
39
23/12/2020 11:06:46 3 6
bbc
You imply that the reliance is a deliberate ploy by those fiendish Europeans?
Perhaps look closer to home.
59
23/12/2020 11:11:59 1 13
bbc
You read into it whatever makes you happier.

* UNBELIEVABLE *
60
23/12/2020 11:12:20 22 3
bbc
I am surprised only 30% of food come from EU. I agree to eat salad in the summer but not in the winter. people should learn to eat seasonal vegetables. why not eat more root vegetable (grown here) when it is cold? I believe it is possible to grow your own food regardless the size of your living space and then preserve them for use later. you can also use tinned, jarred or frozen food.
34
23/12/2020 11:05:40 150 33
bbc
We will continue to import and export after 31st December. I know the London liberals are worried they won't be able to buy French cheese and wine for their dinner parties, but it will be fine. Its in everyone's interest to trade. We won't cut our nose off to spite our face, and the EU won't allow EU members to lose trade as a result of our exit. Just give it time and we'll find a "new normal" ??
61
23/12/2020 11:09:56 80 15
bbc
Absolutely agree some common sense at last!
62
23/12/2020 11:12:54 3 6
bbc
Very dependant.
To change that to UK grown and produced products would result in prices rises of 17%.
Supermarkets know this so they source these goods from the EU.
22
23/12/2020 11:02:07 201 24
bbc
There is a message here........eat seasonal home produced fruit & veg.
The more exotic fruits etc. can be a treat rather than a staple.
Will it ever happen?
63
23/12/2020 11:13:23 142 17
bbc
When I was a lad in the 1950's, that is exactly how it was. Tangerines were a treat at Christmas!
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JJ
23/12/2020 11:53:43 33 10
bbc
"Ah... the good old days when you could leave your door open and everyone had Polio."
217
23/12/2020 12:12:59 15 13
bbc
But the World has moved on, there's been advances, now we can eat tangerines all year... well, except for Britain because of it's great planning failure. Brexit is coming, so you would think plans would have been in place to handle this kind of thing, but no. Let down by your government yet again.
220
23/12/2020 12:13:33 14 5
bbc
Now you are a "grown up" in 2020 this shouldn't happen, our so called advanced country should never be in this situation!
263
23/12/2020 12:24:16 16 6
bbc
So your solution for us losing out on luxuries is that we did this post war and rationing therefore it should be ok...

We should be striving for better and not be content with our country regressing...
307
23/12/2020 12:36:01 11 5
bbc
Going back to the 50's version of nutrition would be a national disgrace. Despite your rose tinted jingoism
370
23/12/2020 13:06:42 11 4
bbc
I despise the nostalgia brigade...what is so wrong with having a wider variety of produce today, compared to the limited selection you had in the 1950s?

Rationing is also not a badge of honour to bestow on to people.
438
23/12/2020 14:12:12 9 3
bbc
Yeah bring back scurvy and ricketts eh?
497
23/12/2020 17:08:24 1 0
bbc
Yep David, very lil and young me had an Orange in the Xmas stocking early 1950s.

Did we miss out back then and not enjoy ourselves? ... no way. Great times youngsters of today will never experience.
573
23/12/2020 20:48:04 0 0
bbc
Let's hope scurvy resurfaces the in the name of the good ol' days.
587
23/12/2020 21:45:18 2 0
bbc
I was born in 1949 and do I want to go back to the 1950's,'60's and early '70's for the expensive 'treats' available then?No! Brit's born post the mid-'70's don't realise the cheap and plentiful food and drink they have lost until it has gone!The grass is always greener on the other side!
599
23/12/2020 22:52:14 1 0
bbc
And did your family have a car when everything was in black and white?
611
24/12/2020 02:25:18 0 0
bbc
Loads of Hot Pot and Scouse eaten during the winter months local salads eaten during summer and Autumn.
Just do not mention the Orchards grubbed up or the Green houses smashed up so as not to disrupt Dutch and French growers.
627
24/12/2020 10:03:24 0 0
bbc
Yes! That’s why my dear old mum used to put one in my stocking. I still do it with my kids and they’re late twenties!
64
23/12/2020 11:13:25 60 16
bbc
When I was young we ate what was in season - and we didn't die - maybe we could do that again. We don't need salad at Christmas we need hearty stews.
85
23/12/2020 11:19:32 43 61
bbc
Ohh, the upsides of Brexit, a restricted diet and minimal choice. Just how Farage & Co. sold it to you, not.
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Rob
23/12/2020 11:42:28 9 1
bbc
When I was young.....times change.
150
23/12/2020 11:42:45 15 4
bbc
No, I like salad at Christmas thanks. The great thing about choice is you can still have your stews while I have salad - but given your way you'd take away my choice.
224
23/12/2020 12:14:53 6 3
bbc
"When I was young we ate what was in season … maybe we could do that again"

So why did you change when you got older?
524
23/12/2020 17:42:17 1 1
bbc
When I was young parents could hit their kids. Times have changed, as have diets.
553
23/12/2020 19:22:27 0 0
bbc
Living much longer as a result.

Meantime...All Hail the young Fat Gut Obese UK!

Huge excess of obesity problems approaching. Greed is good...
595
23/12/2020 22:23:48 2 0
bbc
and dettol baths, power cuts, ice inside the house windows, smog, strikes, let's do it all again.
65
23/12/2020 11:13:43 176 19
bbc
There is no reason whatsoever for the UK not to be far more self sufficient for fresh fruit and vegetables. We have world leading agriculture in this country and I speak as a farmer raising Aberdeen Angus beef. We have extensive polly tunnels and glass houses that can be used. There is so much that we import that can be produced here like pork, poultry and dairy produce.
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Rob
23/12/2020 11:35:43 42 42
bbc
you should have used "world beating"...it's very trendy those days
133
23/12/2020 11:36:42 4 18
bbc
If farmers were not so greedy then they would be able to compete with EU produce.
145
23/12/2020 11:41:19 9 12
bbc
polytunnels use a huge amount of energy - there is a lower carbon footprint importing from warmer climes for many foods. It's not just about self-sufficiency, we also need to think about the planet.
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23/12/2020 11:52:47 13 5
bbc
Except the UK hasnt been able to feed itself for over 200 years.....
I think it's because it was in our interest to have others grow the food types we wanted. Now things are changing, you are probably right, we should produce a higher percentage of the food we need.
182
23/12/2020 11:58:18 17 0
bbc
We have not invested in the glasshouses look at the acreage devoted to them in Holland. Tomatoes were once grown in huge amounts around Biggleswade and Shefford now the hot houses are largely derelict, we are 30 years behind with 8 days to go.
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23/12/2020 11:58:21 13 5
bbc
And where are you going to grow it ? There is only so much arable land.

And who's going to pick it ? We can't get enough people in now as it is to work in the fields !!
251
23/12/2020 12:06:26 2 0
bbc
I completely agree with you - google Youk to see a modern Buy British campaign.
257
23/12/2020 12:23:51 1 1
bbc
An Aberdeen Angus from a Glass house, is that like a Bull in a China shop ;-)
265
23/12/2020 12:24:52 6 1
bbc
There is one reason. British workers do not want to get their hands dirty working on farms; we are reliant on foreign workers whilst our jobless bleat abouttheir benefits not being generous enough!
290
23/12/2020 12:30:18 0 0
bbc
Just like the Dutch do everthing under glass
364
23/12/2020 13:10:32 2 3
bbc
Just where exactly in the UK are we going to grow oranges, lemons and other citrus fruit. Where should we grow tea, coffee and cocoa beans?
439
23/12/2020 14:13:43 0 0
bbc
And you’d have a captive market, imagine the prices you could charge!!!
445
23/12/2020 14:24:40 1 0
bbc
Of course there is no reason not to be self sufficient. Only the price will double. And the quality? Probably the same as 1996/1997 with mad cow desease....enjoy your meal!
479
23/12/2020 16:19:52 1 0
bbc
I presume that you realise that the UK hasn't been self-sufficient in food since at least the first half of the 1800's and, given the grinding poverty then., more probably the early 1700's? Why do you think the U-Boat Packs were such a threat in the two World Wars? And this was before the Post-War Baby Boom. We exceeded "critical mass" long ago so dream on!
605
23/12/2020 23:59:40 0 0
bbc
Not to mention new vertical farming techniques.
628
24/12/2020 10:03:48 0 0
bbc
In my area planners and developers see every field as an opportunity for a new housing estate. There are fewer fields left every year in which to grow crops. In fact a nursery that had lots of greenhouse last year has lots of brick houses this year. We couldn't fight WW2 again and cannot seem to last a few days of blockade! What a come down. Successive governments have ruined the UK since 1945.
36
23/12/2020 11:05:52 36 8
bbc
No shortage of any fruit and veg this morning and what we did buy was all grown in Britain
66
23/12/2020 11:13:44 6 1
bbc
So the report we've just read is untrue then?
67
23/12/2020 11:13:55 107 4
bbc
There is a lot of produce that we import that we really shouldn’t need to. We could and should be self sufficient in eggs, milk, butter, cheddar cheese....
Also I have never understood why we import bottled water. One thing we have plenty of in this country is water.
96
23/12/2020 11:22:57 26 18
bbc
So Brits have empty plastic bottles to fill the countryside with.
260
23/12/2020 12:09:45 0 0
bbc
I completely agree. Have you seen the new Buy British campaign?https://www.youk.co/
541
23/12/2020 18:43:05 0 0
bbc
tell the farmers who have given up in the last few years as it's not profitable enough
548
23/12/2020 18:56:30 0 0
bbc
There's nothing wrong with Tap water - Just stop most bottled water.
567
23/12/2020 20:08:59 1 0
bbc
A Lincolnshire MP lamented this year that his local sheep-farmers will be decimated if there is no trade deal with the EU because they export 70% of the meat to Europe. Name me an EU country that cannot/do not breed sheep?????? Scrap GDP monetary theory and all this nonsense will stop.
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23/12/2020 11:11:20 24 7
bbc
Imported tomatoes and soft fruit are awful.

Picked when unripe and irradiated on arrival. The process produces tomatoes that are tasteless dry pulp, nothing like a home grown tomato. Same with juice-free strawberries.
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23/12/2020 11:22:14 5 5
bbc
Stop buying the cheap ones.
596
23/12/2020 22:26:03 0 0
bbc
why do you but rubbish tomatoes, hd some fantastic ones today, it is always summer somewhere.
69
23/12/2020 11:12:33 63 10
bbc
Very good to see all the comments that understand the issues and clearly there will be some upside. Locally grown produce, better quality, price and supporting our farmers not to mention the reduced food miles, winners all round.
93
23/12/2020 11:21:54 13 4
bbc
So no change where we already buy seasonal UK produce...... but no help on everything else.
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23/12/2020 12:24:19 2 0
bbc
"clearly there will be some upside … winners all round"

So since UK is world-beating at all this stuff, why on earth—in earth?—did y'all stop doing those wonderful things?
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23/12/2020 12:17:06 0 1
bbc
Yes - and here is the way to access it all: https://www.youk.co/
70
23/12/2020 11:14:36 8 10
bbc
Wow that is a lot of food from the EU this time of year.
Wouldn't it be great if we could reduce the cost of importing these vegetables such as tariff free goods and..hold on a sec...isnt this something we have at the moment??? Oh. but not for long.
43
23/12/2020 11:08:30 9 2
bbc
Hopefully this will provide UK food producers with a market for all their produce and not be handicapper by supermarket requirements for vegetables that look good.

They EU trade talks will be well aware of the potential problems they will cause within EU countries should an agreement not be reached.
71
23/12/2020 11:14:38 4 2
bbc
OK
no Spanish tomatoes, oranges, lettuce, olives or holidays
no French grapes or wine and chesses, no French cars of vans
no German cars, vans, wine, etc
no EU migrants
no EU diseses Dutch elm, larch die back, etc
No fish on fridays fro most of EU
72
23/12/2020 11:15:07 15 9
bbc
We don't rely on the EU we buy from the EU if the EU aren't there then we will either grow it ourselves or buy from others reports say it will be cheaper to do that so no problem we ain't going to starve.
89
23/12/2020 11:20:45 5 5
bbc
Thanks for your in-depth and informative analysis.

??
23
23/12/2020 11:02:35 3 3
bbc
How many kids eat cabbages and cauliflowers these days?
73
23/12/2020 11:15:31 7 0
bbc
How many kids are obese these days?
246
23/12/2020 12:21:05 4 0
bbc
Excellent response
50
23/12/2020 11:10:20 87 8
bbc
Grow you own, grow local. If the Dutch can use heated green houses then so can we , we should not be a hostage to imports whether its food, machinery or energy. People are turning to local suppliers we just need more of them.
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23/12/2020 11:15:54 42 76
bbc
Thank you Farmer Palmer, as usual with the simplistic ideas of Brexiteers it isn't that straight forward. Sticking poly tunnels up isn't some panacea, it takes massive investment plus significant running costs. The UK is generally colder than the low countries. Also, how are we to close a 50%+ production shortfall instantly?
As usual, Brexit fantasy.
196
23/12/2020 12:03:37 7 1
bbc
Massive investment in glasshouses in Lincolnshire.
322
23/12/2020 12:41:32 9 0
bbc
Southern Britain is not colder that the low countries.
The CAP is undefendable and a French Fantasy.
And as usual a remoaner loser defends it
341
23/12/2020 12:52:47 7 0
bbc
Of course it isn’t instant, but within 10 years it could be very different. Also it can get much colder in winter in the low countries that it does in the UK, but with well heated and lit greenhouses the Dutch have proved it can be done.... so we can do it too if we want!
And I’m not a Brexiteer!
391
23/12/2020 13:34:37 8 0
bbc
You need to do some research. There are huge greenhouses going up in Norfolk and more planned which hopefully make us self sufficient in many salad products. They are linked to waste treatment plants to use wasted energy. Absolutely brilliant and state of the art.
394
23/12/2020 13:36:09 9 2
bbc
Britain is leaving the United States of European in little over a week. The majority voted to to leave. Its happening, get over it!!

Merry Christmas one and all.
398
23/12/2020 13:40:21 5 0
bbc
Incorrect once again. We benefit from the gulf stream so our waters are warmer. Holland has a predominantly continental climate with extreme cold. It just requires investment like the Dutch do with their millions of acres of industrial sized greenhouses.
477
23/12/2020 16:13:27 1 0
bbc
Take a look at the Ingham greenhouses in Suffolk.
556
23/12/2020 19:30:09 1 0
bbc
Before The EU we had thriving veg growers in the channel islands.
578
23/12/2020 21:11:03 1 0
bbc
Typical Remainer defeatism.
75
23/12/2020 11:16:29 12 0
bbc
Lots of Cabbage and rhubarb. Just looking up recipes now. Yum
83
23/12/2020 11:19:17 1 5
bbc
??
98
23/12/2020 11:23:43 1 0
bbc
Yum a nice rhubarb crumble with custard
17
23/12/2020 11:00:26 5 11
bbc
In winter? Have you read the article? Clearly not.
Removed
55
23/12/2020 11:11:30 43 25
bbc
We should have had you in charge in the war. Rationing started after 4 months & did not end until 9 YEARS after the war had finished. Why didn't we just eat all the homegrown surplus?
77
23/12/2020 11:17:03 12 5
bbc
Rationing long after the war was because - we were helping to feed Europe, either directly, or by passing on that which the US had provided to us.
78
23/12/2020 11:17:38 10 15
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During lockdown we grew our own blueberries, gooseberries and strawberries
IN POTS and HANGING BASKETS

AND WENT BLACKBERRY PICKING IN AUGUST / SEPTEMBER

Everyone (with a balcony or bigger) can choose to do this.
80
23/12/2020 11:18:49 7 11
bbc
Fruit is for summer
Jam is for winter.
88
23/12/2020 11:19:59 2 3
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And buy a chocolate teapot.
104
23/12/2020 11:25:14 0 0
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Unless they live in a city and have just lost their job.....
107
23/12/2020 11:26:22 0 0
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This does though increase risks viz a viz impulsive suicides. :)
15
23/12/2020 10:59:51 3 3
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That's a contradiction in terms. We are exercising our democratic freedoms that you won 2 world wars and one world cup for.
79
23/12/2020 11:18:09 2 0
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No, you were trying to reverse a democratic vote before it had even been enacted and using undemocratic means to do so.
78
23/12/2020 11:17:38 10 15
bbc
During lockdown we grew our own blueberries, gooseberries and strawberries
IN POTS and HANGING BASKETS

AND WENT BLACKBERRY PICKING IN AUGUST / SEPTEMBER

Everyone (with a balcony or bigger) can choose to do this.
80
23/12/2020 11:18:49 7 11
bbc
Fruit is for summer
Jam is for winter.
81
23/12/2020 11:19:11 1 5
bbc
Seeing and hearing a lot of confusion, self-denial and 'head in the sand' in recent days. Only 3000 lorries stuck in Kent right now and yes this is a glimpse of what to expect in January regardless of a Brexit deal. Recent operation Brock trial had 7000 lorries with 5 mile queues in Kent. January will see EU, France and UK blaming each other. Anyone got any good curly kale recipes?
99
23/12/2020 11:23:57 0 11
bbc
Kurly Kale, creamed spinach, fried onions and bacon all shmooshed together in a fry pan served with buttery mashed potatoes AND CREAM !

You're very welcome.
36
23/12/2020 11:05:52 36 8
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No shortage of any fruit and veg this morning and what we did buy was all grown in Britain
82
23/12/2020 11:19:14 3 2
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It takes a few days for food to get from ports into warehouses/wholesale markets then into shops/market stalls. Wait a few days before things start to run low. It'll also impact the food processing business as lots of "made in Britain" stuff uses produce grown abroad.
75
23/12/2020 11:16:29 12 0
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Lots of Cabbage and rhubarb. Just looking up recipes now. Yum
83
23/12/2020 11:19:17 1 5
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??
84
23/12/2020 11:19:23 8 2
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Who eats salad in December. Eat seasonal produce it is better for the environment as well
64
23/12/2020 11:13:25 60 16
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When I was young we ate what was in season - and we didn't die - maybe we could do that again. We don't need salad at Christmas we need hearty stews.
85
23/12/2020 11:19:32 43 61
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Ohh, the upsides of Brexit, a restricted diet and minimal choice. Just how Farage & Co. sold it to you, not.
395
23/12/2020 13:36:36 1 3
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What a silly comment!
411
23/12/2020 13:46:24 5 5
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I have already explained that this country can produce much of what is imported by replicating the dutch systems. You have a closed mindset of a remainer who appears stuck in neutral and is incapable of grasping reality
478
23/12/2020 16:18:41 4 1
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Some of us have been waiting 48 years for Brexit; nothing to do with Mr Farage then.
579
23/12/2020 21:15:19 0 0
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Not everyone is decadent and most of us could do with a reduction in our diet for both health and environment.
618
24/12/2020 08:36:52 0 0
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Want better and more nutritious food? Break the stranglehold of the 9 companies that control 90% of food sales in the UK – i.e. supermarkets. They control what you eat, they manipulate choice and until that ends we will get low standard crap food from wherever it is cheapest.
634
24/12/2020 11:38:18 0 0
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You can always move to your beloved EU like all you remoaners said you were going to do!
86
23/12/2020 11:19:41 13 2
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So why aren't we growing our own? To the pedant who might wade in here about the lack of sunshine and dry weather, I point out that greenhouses have existed since Roman times, and as for the lack of sunshine, in the last 10 years there've been massive gains in the efficiency and effectiveness of LED lights.
Yes, it will cost more to produce.
It could also create tens of thousands jobs.
102
23/12/2020 11:24:22 2 6
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Except tgat we Brits are too kazy yo wznt to work harvesting vegetables ??
152
23/12/2020 11:44:30 3 1
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I think you summed it up correctly. The great British public do not like paying more for something if there is a cheaper alternative, no matter where it is produced. You only need to look at country of origin of todays products in the supermarkets.
87
23/12/2020 11:19:55 97 5
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I farm about 3500 acres mixed arable and beef production. I set aside about 10 acres for growing fruit and vegetables for my extended family. We grow a huge selection of Seasonal vegetables and fruits such three varieties of potatoes, carrots, parsnips. cauliflower, cabbage, swede, turnips, onions, garlic and on and on. It's not difficult and if I can do the rest of the uk agri business can do it
100
23/12/2020 11:24:08 12 6
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So WTO would favour you expanding business?
110
23/12/2020 11:27:18 5 8
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I wish you every success but your small traditionally sized farm will never compete in terms of cost with the mega farms of the USA or Russia, or even the big farms of mainland Europe. I've seen these places, they have automated combine harvesters driving in one direction for a day!
115
23/12/2020 11:28:29 4 1
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What fruit do you grow in winter?
154
23/12/2020 11:46:03 7 4
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I'm not sure that most people will have 10 acres set aside for growing fruit & veg for their extended families. So maybe it'll be a bit more difficult that you're suggesting?
178
23/12/2020 11:55:59 16 4
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Well said, I'm from farming too but now retired. The truth is british farmers were discouraged from being 100% productive by offering subsidies in the form of set-aside payments, an EU idea I believe. In short, pay someone to grow nothing, good that, NOT!!!
407
23/12/2020 13:43:35 5 1
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Yes and we could produce fruit and other out of season produce just like the dutch via industrial sized greenhouses. We should not be importing such huge amounts of food. If I were an eu farmer I would be bricking it at the moment.
476
23/12/2020 16:12:09 0 0
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I have about a third of an acre set aside for vegetables to eat throughout the year. Just waiting now for the Romenscu and Purple sprouting to come on in January, still eating cabbage, spinich cellery, leeks, parsnips will lift soon owing to all this rain. Exotic fruits are strawberries, raspberries, apples, would like to store the r preserve the green gages but best eaten straight from the tree.
614
24/12/2020 07:54:01 0 0
bbc
Of course we can all do it, we all have a spare 10 acres at the bottom of our garden that is not used for anything.
78
23/12/2020 11:17:38 10 15
bbc
During lockdown we grew our own blueberries, gooseberries and strawberries
IN POTS and HANGING BASKETS

AND WENT BLACKBERRY PICKING IN AUGUST / SEPTEMBER

Everyone (with a balcony or bigger) can choose to do this.
88
23/12/2020 11:19:59 2 3
bbc
And buy a chocolate teapot.
216
23/12/2020 12:12:53 0 0
bbc
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
72
23/12/2020 11:15:07 15 9
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We don't rely on the EU we buy from the EU if the EU aren't there then we will either grow it ourselves or buy from others reports say it will be cheaper to do that so no problem we ain't going to starve.
89
23/12/2020 11:20:45 5 5
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Thanks for your in-depth and informative analysis.

??
325
23/12/2020 12:29:18 0 0
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I actually think his executive summary is spot on.
56
23/12/2020 11:11:37 119 7
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I see our farmers throw so many imperfect fruits/vegetables away. We as customers need to stop being picky and wasteful IF we do not want to rely on imports.
90
23/12/2020 11:20:49 27 25
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Isn't this just a myth propagated by overpriced food box suppliers to sell their products?
135
23/12/2020 11:37:22 7 0
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No it's not, I buy imperfect apples/strawberries from Tesco which cost far less but bigger, more and juicier for less.
194
23/12/2020 12:02:27 10 0
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Absolutely not, I know a farmer in Lincolnshire who's cauliflower crop was spectacular 2 years ago. Big heads of lovely cauli. Except his supermarket contract meant they were too big. Contract also meant couldn't sell elsewhere. 40 acres of cauliflower disced up and ploughed back in. Go figure.
458
23/12/2020 15:00:50 1 0
bbc
No it isn't I'd only have to wals up the road for 5 minutes to see an orchard with the apples rotting on the trees, not for the first time...
613
24/12/2020 07:48:59 0 0
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Not it is not a myth, a lot of food is chucked out because it does not conform to the size, shape and colour requirements of supermarkets. I have seen huge amounts of potatoes dumped in fields in Norfolk because they were the wrong size. It is a criminal waste of edible food!
34
23/12/2020 11:05:40 150 33
bbc
We will continue to import and export after 31st December. I know the London liberals are worried they won't be able to buy French cheese and wine for their dinner parties, but it will be fine. Its in everyone's interest to trade. We won't cut our nose off to spite our face, and the EU won't allow EU members to lose trade as a result of our exit. Just give it time and we'll find a "new normal" ??
91
23/12/2020 11:20:52 18 9
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No-one is suggesting that we won't trade or that anyone will starve. It will just get more expensive & more inconvenient, possibly with less choice. But hey, it's what we wanted eh? The "new normal" being worse that the old one.
143
Rob
23/12/2020 11:40:13 14 9
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basically a bunch of people had nostalgia for a time with lower standards of living and they voted to impose it on everyone....
389
23/12/2020 13:33:36 1 3
bbc
We can choose to negotiate any time we want, as can they. For the EU this is about grandstanding and posturing to convey some sort of power - but as recent years continue to demonstrate, their project is built on sand and people are tired of their arrogance. Good riddance.
92
23/12/2020 11:21:07 7 6
bbc
Bojo the clown, Handoncock et al screaming that the SE of England has a 'new super-virulent strain' of C19 70% easier to contract and then people wonder why our EU neighbours want to protect themselves against it. Tust this government? Of course I trust it - to make a total horlicks of everything it touches.
95
23/12/2020 11:22:54 1 2
bbc
Watch your tongue incase a crab bites.
129
23/12/2020 11:34:43 0 0
bbc
The new super-virulent strain' of C19 was detected in September it took as long as it did whilst experts tested and tracked it, only when it was deemed an issue was it notifiable at which point if government hadn’t informed the public MSM and SM would have done job for them at Boris’s, Hancock’s and Governments castigation ??
69
23/12/2020 11:12:33 63 10
bbc
Very good to see all the comments that understand the issues and clearly there will be some upside. Locally grown produce, better quality, price and supporting our farmers not to mention the reduced food miles, winners all round.
93
23/12/2020 11:21:54 13 4
bbc
So no change where we already buy seasonal UK produce...... but no help on everything else.
413
23/12/2020 13:47:33 0 4
bbc
You have zero imagination and are stuck in a remainer neutral mindset
68
23/12/2020 11:11:20 24 7
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Imported tomatoes and soft fruit are awful.

Picked when unripe and irradiated on arrival. The process produces tomatoes that are tasteless dry pulp, nothing like a home grown tomato. Same with juice-free strawberries.
94
23/12/2020 11:22:14 5 5
bbc
Stop buying the cheap ones.
92
23/12/2020 11:21:07 7 6
bbc
Bojo the clown, Handoncock et al screaming that the SE of England has a 'new super-virulent strain' of C19 70% easier to contract and then people wonder why our EU neighbours want to protect themselves against it. Tust this government? Of course I trust it - to make a total horlicks of everything it touches.
95
23/12/2020 11:22:54 1 2
bbc
Watch your tongue incase a crab bites.
67
23/12/2020 11:13:55 107 4
bbc
There is a lot of produce that we import that we really shouldn’t need to. We could and should be self sufficient in eggs, milk, butter, cheddar cheese....
Also I have never understood why we import bottled water. One thing we have plenty of in this country is water.
96
23/12/2020 11:22:57 26 18
bbc
So Brits have empty plastic bottles to fill the countryside with.
242
23/12/2020 12:19:35 0 2
bbc
What are you on about Thick1
273
23/12/2020 12:26:47 2 1
bbc
Unlike in most of europe our tap water is drinkable, it is only the young who actually buy bottled water in plastice bottles.
392
23/12/2020 13:35:11 0 1
bbc
Why do you hate this country?
487
23/12/2020 16:34:39 0 0
bbc
Why don't people, recognise irony and humour when they see it? Has lock down affected us that much?
52
23/12/2020 11:05:08 148 26
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What a bunch of cry babies when i was a boy(60's/70's) nobody had 'salad' in winter we ate winter food or seasonal as some might say it's only the likes of the elitist Islingtonians that demand punnets of watery tasteless tomatoes and strawberries or force grown limp lettuce.
I've always looked forward to steaming hot bowls of chunky veg soup and chicken casseroles on cold dark winter days.
97
23/12/2020 11:23:09 73 89
bbc
And gruel for breakfast. Fish head soup for supper is a treat too!
I must be of a similar age to you and I can assure you I do not pine for a return to the 60's & 70's, why would you want a massively lower standard of living?
122
23/12/2020 11:31:20 27 13
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Pathetic isn't it? British food choices and standards were awful back then.

Perhaps we could go back to living in hovels and drinking ditch water just to give us the full benefits of the serf's lifestyle.
191
23/12/2020 12:02:03 13 3
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Gruel is oatmeal - 'Readybrek' to you. Served with (seasonal) fruit or nuts and a little honey it's a lovely, healthy, filling way to start the day.
228
23/12/2020 12:15:25 13 4
bbc
As a 'war baby' (born mid 1942) I can remember food rationing up to 1954. Everyone ate adequately and we, as a Nation, were healthier than we are today - obesity was almost non-existant. Our diet varied with the seasons and Kent was the garden of England - we grew our own apples, pears etc. back then. The '60's were amazing - more work available than workers to do it, good pay and cheap goods.
256
23/12/2020 12:22:53 8 0
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Standard of living in the olde days depended a lot on whether one continued school and education, or not. Jobs existed and were to be had for a decent wage. There were fewer bills to pay, but these days many people pay multiple subscriptions for ultimately unnecessary frivolities - Netflix being one - and most of their salaries flow out as soon as they flow in.
278
23/12/2020 12:28:18 5 4
bbc
Yep, lets all move back into the stone age, and just because some numbnut doesn't like to work with the EU. You guys are all pathetic !!!
306
23/12/2020 12:35:58 3 1
bbc
Nothing wrong with porrage or fish soup, the ingredents are the same but now known as fichbisque and muschili nothing changed but the name .
344
23/12/2020 12:55:03 0 0
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To save the planet. You must have a huge Carbon Footprint!
386
23/12/2020 13:32:08 4 2
bbc
Our standard of living has increased on the back of massive borrowing and we have lost the capacity to make and produce our own stuff. I hope for no deal as it will provide the necessary kick up the backside this country has needed.
75
23/12/2020 11:16:29 12 0
bbc
Lots of Cabbage and rhubarb. Just looking up recipes now. Yum
98
23/12/2020 11:23:43 1 0
bbc
Yum a nice rhubarb crumble with custard
81
23/12/2020 11:19:11 1 5
bbc
Seeing and hearing a lot of confusion, self-denial and 'head in the sand' in recent days. Only 3000 lorries stuck in Kent right now and yes this is a glimpse of what to expect in January regardless of a Brexit deal. Recent operation Brock trial had 7000 lorries with 5 mile queues in Kent. January will see EU, France and UK blaming each other. Anyone got any good curly kale recipes?
99
23/12/2020 11:23:57 0 11
bbc
Kurly Kale, creamed spinach, fried onions and bacon all shmooshed together in a fry pan served with buttery mashed potatoes AND CREAM !

You're very welcome.
87
23/12/2020 11:19:55 97 5
bbc
I farm about 3500 acres mixed arable and beef production. I set aside about 10 acres for growing fruit and vegetables for my extended family. We grow a huge selection of Seasonal vegetables and fruits such three varieties of potatoes, carrots, parsnips. cauliflower, cabbage, swede, turnips, onions, garlic and on and on. It's not difficult and if I can do the rest of the uk agri business can do it
100
23/12/2020 11:24:08 12 6
bbc
So WTO would favour you expanding business?
408
23/12/2020 13:44:48 3 0
bbc
Der! we have an agricultural deficit, so expansion into other areas would make us less reliant on imports and benefit the climate
547
23/12/2020 18:55:38 0 0
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PSSSST!

TRADE Works both ways.