Coronavirus: EU urges countries to lift UK travel bans
22/12/2020 | news | world | 3,766
Dozens of countries, alarmed by a new coronavirus variant, have suspended travel links with the UK.
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22/12/2020 15:24:26 201 38
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“But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies.“
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22/12/2020 15:26:07 239 45
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Whaaaat? So they have sovereignty all along. Well that may solve another long standing issue....
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22/12/2020 15:26:32 42 2
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Which should come as no surprise since they're sovereign independent countries.
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22/12/2020 15:30:00 43 6
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Just wait til Brexiteers found out about this. They'll be FURIOUS. Furious that they didn't do proper research and believed lies from the Leave campaign.
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22/12/2020 15:43:22 2 18
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If we could have ended freedom of movement while staying in the single market I guess people would have had different opinion but I doubt that's allowed, but mostly the influx of Romanians and the reckless Merkel giving residence to so many Syrians scared people into leaving.
It was just bad timing that we voted to leave, me I was too lazy to vote and undecided, I couldn't choose at the time.
No you can't. What planet are you on? Any EU member has the right to work and live in any other EU country. Get your remainer facts right. When you were living on planet zogg over 2 million poles alone came to the UK. Removed
hoo
22/12/2020 17:47:38 2 7
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EXCEPT FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT? They can stop their own HGV drivers but not migrants? how is that fair? Oh, get the UK to pay for it all!
22/12/2020 18:35:51 1 2
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Are remainers really that thick? Or just trying to mislead the public... Cameron tried to control the mass migration of EU nationals coming into the U.K. before the referendum but wasn’t allowed, we were so sovereign that we had to go and ask the EU for permission to do so... which they rejected... so I will base my argument on facts not a strapline from a BBC article.
22/12/2020 19:21:18 0 0
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But only in exceptional circumstances, such as this.
The normal rule is that an EU member state cannot control its border.
23/12/2020 01:57:18 0 0
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Ha ha ...you have fallen for all the post Brexit trade deal nonsense. The EU will say and do anything to continue having us as their bitch
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22/12/2020 15:25:17 741 330
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It's almost as if the EU is a relatively benign organization (not perfect but nothing is), which encourages coordination between members, but each can still make their own decisions. Gee, wouldn't it be nice to be part of such a club. We could do our own thing when that's best, and work with others when it's to our advantage. We could even negotiate opt-outs and rebates.
It is interesting that the 'Kentish Flu' comes from the same place as Nigel Farage. Devine retribution? Removed
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22/12/2020 15:48:59 45 55
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Not sure Greece would fully agree with that statement.

It also seems to ignore the aspirations of those within the EU who wish for it to become a lot more than a ‘benign organization’.
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22/12/2020 16:05:34 20 40
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except it doesn't work like that at all
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22/12/2020 16:05:54 59 40
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What - so we could have stayed in, and

- set an immigration quota for zero population growth (one in, one out, no free movement)?

- made trade deals with countries outside the EU, to supply us in healthy competition with EU nations?

- Used as much state aid as we wanted to preserve local industry?

You're not fooling anyone.
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22/12/2020 16:06:33 45 55
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We could be like all the other EU countries, still awaiting a vaccine to be approved.
Nice post - too bad the Brexshit cultists will never admit they are wrong and we will never stop saying told yea so with every screwup. Sunlit uplands ?????? Removed
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22/12/2020 16:09:08 32 6
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It is literally an obsession for some folks isn't it. I've watched several good people these last four years almost cease to live any more. All they can talk and think about is Brexit and have an almost mystical ability to wangle any subject to Brexit. I wish I was being sarcastic.
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22/12/2020 16:10:34 14 14
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Oh but that club is expensive and far from benign
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22/12/2020 16:12:17 3 1
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I love the irony
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22/12/2020 16:11:41 9 2
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So, if each country has the right - as you correctly point out - to manage their own borders, perhaps the question should be why the EU is even attempting to influence an activity over which they apparently have no power, responsibility or control?
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22/12/2020 16:47:42 3 1
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We could even negotiate opt-outs and rebates: "like, Cameron did?"
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22/12/2020 16:52:17 4 2
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I bet you are a constant source of entertainment to those around you with your constantly bringing up Brexit at any opportunity
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22/12/2020 16:53:35 1 2
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Not really. It's a very very expensive club.
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22/12/2020 16:53:37 3 1
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So freedom of movement is a lie then?
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22/12/2020 16:54:15 3 4
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Fortunately, in our democratic society, the majority disagree with you!
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22/12/2020 16:55:19 0 2
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Where’s their vaccine???
22/12/2020 17:25:28 0 3
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Pigs in blankets will fly.
22/12/2020 17:49:28 0 1
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Off you go then, see ya. Enjoy yourself being governed by a bunch of highly paid elites, who are not elected directly by the people they govern.
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22/12/2020 15:26:06 558 242
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As it turns out, you can be in the EU and still control your own borders! Any Brexiteer care to comment?
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22/12/2020 15:27:31 443 44
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Shame UK didn't have the guts to ban italy spain and france in march 2020
Surely you aren't so thick that you don't understand the difference between freedom of movement and shutting your borders to try and manage a pandemic? Removed
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22/12/2020 15:36:08 62 76
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Yes - I do

Closing in an emergency isn't the same thing as refusing to take part in freedom of movement and flooding your economy with low skilled workers which de-incentivise automation of manual jobs (fruit picking, for example) and who consume more in services than they spend on tax
Unless you are an illegal immigrant then you can do as you like. Why don’t you pi@@ off to Berlin with all the other freaks. Removed
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22/12/2020 15:50:18 10 1
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But only if it suits the top bureaucrats so they can 'pass the buck' especially if they want an early Xmas break
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22/12/2020 15:52:25 8 15
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Look at the stooshie that occurs when someone like Salvini shuts Italian ports to landing migrants because the EU's main leadership und paymeister says its ok for the to come in......
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22/12/2020 16:05:22 7 7
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No you can't. What planet are you on? Any EU member has the right to work and live in any other EU country. Get your remainer facts right. When you were living on planet zogg over 2 million poles alone came to the UK.
No you can't. What planet are you on? Any EU member has the right to work and live in any other EU country. Get your remainer facts right. When you were living on planet zogg over 2 million poles alone came to the UK. Removed
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22/12/2020 16:15:59 6 4
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a emergency situation allows this you happen you muppet its not constant
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22/12/2020 16:24:50 1 0
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With the approval of the EU no doubt
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22/12/2020 16:29:22 6 3
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Only in exceptional circumstances. As a member of the EU all EU citizens have a right to freely move around, reside and work in any other member state in normal times. How's that controlling your own borders? Roll on January 1st.
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22/12/2020 16:33:51 0 0
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The conveniently hiding in their holes
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22/12/2020 16:37:08 3 4
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Yes, you lost and, if you don't like it, feel free to move to one of the EU countries! Safe journey.
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22/12/2020 16:38:23 2 1
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It’s a great shame the Remain campaign didn’t point this out at the time. Instead a load of pompous ‘how dare you think...’ of anything other than unrestricted movement blah blah...

I voted Remain *despite* the p-poor campaign

But now EU is telling countries NOT to close borders to all traffic, having failed to come up with a coordinated response (just like earlier in the year)
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22/12/2020 16:49:00 1 0
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Yes I will. Are members able to deny Freedom of Movement. Are members able to make free trade deals on an individual basis. Is it fact that the 1972 Act gave primacy to EU Law. Is it fact that every member Country has to pass such an act? Apparently the EU accept our Sovereignty over our waters but they have the right to take from those waters. How does control borders work again?
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22/12/2020 16:49:11 0 0
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Oh you mean change the rules as you go along.
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22/12/2020 16:54:18 0 0
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Your right. If there is a plague, you may shut your border. Otherwise no, care to comment ?
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22/12/2020 16:57:16 0 0
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yes but the bbc wouldnt allow it
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22/12/2020 17:03:15 1 0
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If that were the case, we wouldn't have been paying child benefit to Romanian offspring of big issue sellers for a number of years.
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22/12/2020 17:03:46 0 0
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Very happy your still bitter. Merry christmas
22/12/2020 17:19:07 1 0
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Poland and other East European countries in dispute over migrants being forced on them and allowed to travel through and stay...so borders are regulated from EU whether they like it or not
22/12/2020 17:20:46 1 0
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also.... how is the vaccine programe going on in EU ?. Why no vaccinations yet ? something to do with the arguments within EU about who gets its first as Germany and France demand first pickings ? yet in UK we have started to save lives while in EU they dither and more die each day ?
22/12/2020 17:23:23 1 0
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In a pandemic yes. But not normally. But why let that get in the way
22/12/2020 17:24:00 0 0
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It turns out there was a lot of stuff that the UK could have done but didn't bother to do eg charging countries for their citizens healthcare when they were in the UK ie the health tourism. May be it's OK to be outside if you've got enough clout eg China, USA but the UK's power departed after the 60's.
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22/12/2020 17:28:46 2 0
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Not really. As this isn't a story about Brexit. And, closing borders for health emergencies was never something that Brexiteers were saying couldn't be done whilst being in the EU, so it's a pointless, petty comment.
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22/12/2020 15:24:26 201 38
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“But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies.“
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22/12/2020 15:26:07 239 45
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Whaaaat? So they have sovereignty all along. Well that may solve another long standing issue....
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22/12/2020 18:33:57 1 1
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I understand it's frustrating when you believe the country has made a wrong decision: However, suggesting the country has the same autonomy in the EU as out is disingenuous. Can we treat non EU migrants equally to EU migrants? Can we use state aid to bail out vital industries? Hopefully it will improve the quality of all our lives with a fairer society.
22/12/2020 19:13:12 0 0
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Yes they solve their porous border issue by exporting economic migrants in rubber dinghies making a fair packet in the process
22/12/2020 19:21:36 0 0
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They do not.
22/12/2020 23:07:10 0 0
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aye, spacktards need not apply.
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22/12/2020 15:24:26 201 38
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“But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies.“
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22/12/2020 15:26:32 42 2
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Which should come as no surprise since they're sovereign independent countries.
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22/12/2020 16:32:47 1 0
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Yes
22/12/2020 19:22:08 0 0
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They are not.
23/12/2020 01:11:55 0 0
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really?! without control of their currency and laws? I think not!! And when did the EU last produce accounts to be audited..never because of all the fraud!!
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22/12/2020 15:27:14 957 222
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Wow, it's almost as if EU member states are able to exercise sovereignty while still being members of a massive trading bloc.
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22/12/2020 15:33:15 327 395
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Its almost as if you (and all the others who continue to post the same) haven't read the rules and don't understand what exceptional circumstances are, even Schengen allows the same for the relevant countries.
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22/12/2020 15:33:26 65 34
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That comment is exactly why the BBC opened a HYS on this, despite having another HYS on almost exactly the same subject. They are fishing for responses about border control.

Well done you!
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22/12/2020 16:26:45 20 20
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Most are not SOVERIEGN States, they still have many EU rules to abide by, but the ability to look after your own borders (as Hungary did when they decided allowing Muslim migrants wasn't in their countries' interest) is allowed!
PS, l do like chatting with the Karen's & Kevin's of the UK!!! ;-)
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22/12/2020 16:33:12 0 0
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Lol
Remainer misrepresentation as usual. OR a dumb ass. Removed
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22/12/2020 16:41:30 12 24
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So how does that tie in to their beloved freedom of movement. We left in Jan but until 1st Jan 21 we are still subject to EU Law and rules. The answer is of course that France and Germany often break 'International Law' for which Brussels is toothless. What happened to EU Parliament Deal must be done by Sunday 20th midnight.
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22/12/2020 16:48:36 10 20
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Yes, for a short time until the EU tells them what to do, as it is doing now. Just watch.
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22/12/2020 16:51:08 4 7
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That has a lot more to do with EU states declaring national emergencies thus sweeping away EU rules. Unless you're a small half-in-half-out nation, like Norway, in which case the EC threaten legal action when you effectively close the border to non-residents by enforcing compulsory quarantine at airport hotels. Norway's election next year is going to produce the most anti-EU government in years.
Or it is a coordinated effort !
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22/12/2020 17:04:49 10 1
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And all because Matt Hancock was trying to put the frighteners on the UK population, to get them to behave over Christmas, by saying that "the new variant virus is out of control". Instead he spooked the markets and foreign Governments, with the latter slapping bans on UK travellers. You couldn't make it up.
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22/12/2020 17:03:02 3 8
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Massive difference between closing the border for a few days and the concept of Freedom of movement where theoretically tens of thousands of EU citizens move here every year with a % (small %) of them having no intention of working and we foot the bill for their healthcare, child benefit, housing benefit for years even when they have gone back home
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22/12/2020 17:09:59 11 2
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Gadzooks...Does this mean that Brexit was just a ruse for a bunch of 3rd rate politicians to get jobs they had no hope of getting otherwise and that Mr Farage just did what he did for personal profile and self gain?!
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22/12/2020 17:22:55 2 3
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Goodness me, bore off... you're just so, i donknow, BORING!
22/12/2020 17:24:25 0 0
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Are you sure?
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22/12/2020 17:31:14 3 3
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Sans Covid this would represent a contravention of international law, so to conflate the two simply shines a sharp light on your ignorance. But you are a remainer so some latitude must be granted for your inability to think for yourself.
22/12/2020 17:41:27 0 1
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Who'd a thunk?
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22/12/2020 15:27:18 18 17
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Macron closed the border he should take responsibility for the consequences of his action. Including the welfare of drivers.
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22/12/2020 15:31:03 16 6
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He is putting the welfare of his country first, that's all. We'd do the same.
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22/12/2020 15:37:05 0 3
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Macron is like Trump. Does what he wants and it is not to help the EU or the UK. Hopefully we can get used to using the other ports and not France. Santander is a good option.
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22/12/2020 15:26:06 558 242
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As it turns out, you can be in the EU and still control your own borders! Any Brexiteer care to comment?
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22/12/2020 15:27:31 443 44
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Shame UK didn't have the guts to ban italy spain and france in march 2020
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22/12/2020 16:04:09 7 2
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Except most were brits who brought back the virus, same after summer.
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22/12/2020 16:04:09 3 5
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We did in August though (to all intents and purposes).
We demanded anyone coming into the UK quarantine for 2 weeks.
We couldn't stop the HGVs because we need them for our food supplies (but apparently the EU needs us more than we need them...)
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22/12/2020 16:07:02 2 0
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Brains not guts
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22/12/2020 16:14:14 3 2
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Actually passengers could have been tested on arrival as sensible, well-run nations did.
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22/12/2020 16:23:16 0 0
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You miss the point .....!!
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22/12/2020 16:50:31 1 0
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Yes we should have done and what would Labour, BBC have said then?
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22/12/2020 16:52:07 0 0
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Yeah suck it up cupcake
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22/12/2020 16:53:10 0 0
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intelligence and honesty are the words you are looking for, not guts.
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22/12/2020 17:07:10 0 0
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You sound like an English 'nationalist'. Now it's Spain, Italy and a dozen other countries who are banning UK citizens. Some are calling Britain 'plague island'. What turns around comes around.
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22/12/2020 15:27:33 122 35
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The pandemic is a horrible situation for all concerned. We’re all trying to get through this as best we can. Please let’s have a break from vitriolic brexit related comments and name calling just this once.
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22/12/2020 15:31:06 12 5
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Apologies in advance for the idiots from both sides that will not be able to contain themselves and will dribble on regardless. Scared and frustrated little muppets that they are.
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22/12/2020 16:00:51 6 2
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A Xmas truce
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22/12/2020 16:18:32 11 5
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Well said but unfortunately there are some people who will not let it go.
This situation has been caused by a global pandemic, yes global pandemic, not because the uk is leaving the European Union, but hey any twisted agenda to suit what you think.
Just grown up and move on, hopefully we will all be here this time next year.
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22/12/2020 16:50:27 16 10
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Well, why? This is just a little foretaste of the chaos to come.

It's not going to disappear "like the Y2K bug". It's not going to be dismissed as "the sun comes up in the morning". True, painful chaos awaits us from the ports and it's all Leave voters faults, and we'll be increasingly looking for them to fix it - or be made to take the lion's share of the painful sacrifices to come.
22/12/2020 18:01:51 1 1
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Top answer!
22/12/2020 18:03:22 3 5
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No Gary, lets hold crooks to account.
22/12/2020 18:08:50 6 3
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Nope. You voted for it - you can suck it right down till it hurts.
22/12/2020 18:25:38 6 6
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Lies took away my freedom of movement and I for one are not going to let that drop until it is rectified
22/12/2020 19:27:43 0 1
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Why?
Its fun ;)
22/12/2020 21:05:01 0 1
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Up yours
Totally agree. Brexthick tossers Removed
22/12/2020 23:25:11 0 1
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"pandemic is a horrible situation … let’s have a break from vitriolic brexit related comments"

Covid is indeed horrible, but most commenting here realize that Brexit will do far more damage to UK than the virus ever will.

Would covid:
Break up UK?
Make UK irrelevant in international jockeying?
Crash £, raise prices, & after first decade of shocks, slowly erode UK standard of living thereafter?
23/12/2020 01:19:28 0 0
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ooh Matron!!
23/12/2020 02:01:56 0 0
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Well said ...I will now stop rising to the bait ...but its still fishy
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Meanwhile Priti Patel almost single handily nearly undermined a criminal case of people smuggling that resulted in dozens of innocents death! And she's at the top of a negotiating table... Removed
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22/12/2020 15:33:57 4 6
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Ignoring the fact that they were trying to get into our country illegally.
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22/12/2020 15:36:29 3 1
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An a bully to boot..
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22/12/2020 15:28:33 321 72
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Surely I can't be the first one to question why the dictatorship that is the EU (apparently) cannot order it's members to open their borders?

The 3rd paragraph about member states being free to set their own border control policy must be a misprint. Probably a remoaner.
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22/12/2020 15:35:18 234 289
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"Remoaner" you mean educated person who's informed? That's the actual truth. People who voted to leave are the ones who are ill-informed and so easy to sway with the false fear of an enemy and the need for a strong nationalism. Maybe if they'd paid attention to the propaganda lessons in history, we wouldn't be so screwed. But nope, too busy going to the school of "commonsense".
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22/12/2020 15:36:01 6 0
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Interesting eh?
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22/12/2020 15:57:48 13 1
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I do not know why everyone is moaning. The Welsh Government have banned movement between Wales and England. Scotland has done the same. Wales will not even let yo go fishing unless you carry your own equipment. Why shouldn't France & Germany do likewise.
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22/12/2020 16:13:51 13 2
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As it is not a dictatorship, it can't dictate.
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22/12/2020 17:02:59 1 2
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We all know that remoaners lack that intelligence to recognise an emergency situation. If they did and start to read they not only know that being away from the EU is best for the UK and also see that this new strain is not from the UK but a mutant that is happening everywhere.
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22/12/2020 17:11:50 2 0
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This is a serious health emergency!! Countries are expected to take these extreme measures to protect their citizens. Grow up
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22/12/2020 17:10:49 3 0
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Keep saying remoaner, that'll really help you get on the sides of people who didn't vote for the utter farce of brexit...
22/12/2020 17:27:27 1 0
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Do you really think we were all lied to by the likes of Farage and Boris?
22/12/2020 17:29:25 1 0
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I hope you are happy with you jingoistic, isolationist view of the world and the fact you have been suckered into lies about £350m per week for the NHS and countless lies and propaganda spread by Dominic Cummings and Cambridge analytic, the Daily Mail et al. ironic the half the NHS is staffed by non-UK nationals or immigrants.
22/12/2020 18:07:48 0 0
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I sense what is your sarcasm regarding 'the dictatorship. It's going to be lost here I'm afraid :)
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22/12/2020 15:32:55 3 1
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Be quiet Thomas, you dullard.
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22/12/2020 15:35:22 4 0
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The Express?
Fount of unbiased news.......as if!
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22/12/2020 15:24:26 201 38
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“But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies.“
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22/12/2020 15:30:00 43 6
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Just wait til Brexiteers found out about this. They'll be FURIOUS. Furious that they didn't do proper research and believed lies from the Leave campaign.
22/12/2020 17:31:51 2 1
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FURIOUS? Gerald the proud Rwandan mountain Brexiter, having been trapped and kept in captivity said, when being interviewed on TV and asked if he ”...was wild when caught?” replied ”Wild?! I was bloody LIVID!”
22/12/2020 19:22:29 0 0
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Wrong. Totally wrong.
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22/12/2020 15:27:33 122 35
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The pandemic is a horrible situation for all concerned. We’re all trying to get through this as best we can. Please let’s have a break from vitriolic brexit related comments and name calling just this once.
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22/12/2020 15:30:37 141 76
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It is in times like these, we need friendly countries to step forward to cooperate.

But we have tried very hard to loose all friends and partnerships forged over years for some false promises by fake people.
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22/12/2020 15:33:22 159 148
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Remaining in the EU was itself a false promise. The organisation exists for the sole purpose of merging its members into a single state, by deceit, coercion and gradual erosion of national prerogative.

I'll happily be friends with Europeans - I want them to escape this manipulative entity too.
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22/12/2020 15:36:00 3 13
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No wonder there is little willingness amongst EU counties to stand with Uk. We can not start to enjoy the fruits of brexit.
hoo
22/12/2020 17:35:29 9 13
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The EU are treating the UK no different today than they have since we were voted in to the Common Market. That is fact and not made up. They told UK voters we could leave at any time, but look how they have dragged and dragged it out and are still doing so. WE need UK politicians to act as one an make sure the EU HGV drivers remember it is a EU country stopping them get home for Christmas.
22/12/2020 17:41:52 2 2
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for once, a thought-through, sensible, short and novel comment. Some hope, at last!
22/12/2020 18:01:21 1 1
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I have lots of friends across Europe and usually do a big bike-trip over there each year. This year we had to cancel our trip to Italy because of Covid, but none of us can see an end to the trips because of Brexit. In fact many across Europe want to see an end to the EU.
22/12/2020 18:36:08 2 0
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How to win friends and influence people , Brexiteer style
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22/12/2020 15:27:18 18 17
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Macron closed the border he should take responsibility for the consequences of his action. Including the welfare of drivers.
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22/12/2020 15:31:03 16 6
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He is putting the welfare of his country first, that's all. We'd do the same.
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22/12/2020 15:37:24 2 0
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But we didn't
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22/12/2020 16:01:33 1 1
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My main gripe about our government is that they didn't even attempt to stop it from entering our country, they were already accepting defeat and herd immunity at the time.
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22/12/2020 15:27:33 122 35
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The pandemic is a horrible situation for all concerned. We’re all trying to get through this as best we can. Please let’s have a break from vitriolic brexit related comments and name calling just this once.
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22/12/2020 15:31:06 12 5
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Apologies in advance for the idiots from both sides that will not be able to contain themselves and will dribble on regardless. Scared and frustrated little muppets that they are.
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22/12/2020 15:31:15 3 15
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EUssr = ?? ??
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22/12/2020 15:31:36 597 46
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It was detected back in September - though its capacity for spreading has only just been realised. It beggars belief to suggest that this variant has not already spread far and wide during less strict times.

Britain spotted it because we've done more whole genome sequencing than the rest of the world combined. The Danes also do some and they have spotted cases too.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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22/12/2020 15:34:28 238 12
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We stopped travel to Denmark when they discovered their strain
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22/12/2020 15:59:56 20 2
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I do not know why everyone is moaning. The Welsh Government have banned movement between Wales and England. Scotland has done the same. Wales will not even let you go fishing unless you carry your own equipment. Why shouldn't France & Germany do likewise.
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22/12/2020 17:15:01 33 13
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Yesterday we had 33,000 cases.

France had 6,000
Italy had 11,000
Spain had 7,000
Germany had 19,000

Whether it's because of the new strain or not. We are far more infected than those places right now. We deserve to be banned.

You can't call on our government to close borders on highly infected countries and not expect the same thing to happen to us when we're the infected ones!
22/12/2020 17:26:10 5 8
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I’d go as far as to suggest France, Belgium, Italy and Spain have had a wave and have all gone through draconian lockdowns to get numbers down. Only UK are not being draconian and look!
22/12/2020 17:55:58 3 8
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'Don't shoot the messenger' - Hmmm - How about criticising the culprit that 'discovered' the mutation back in September then didn't let anybody know about it till it was too late? Or are the english above any kind of criticism at all? (Absurd - mendacious, borderline criminal and absurd.
22/12/2020 18:49:41 1 1
bbc
"britain has done more whole genome sequencing than the rest of the world combined".....self praise always rings hollow,true or untrue
22/12/2020 19:11:45 0 0
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The government is not just the messenger.
It is supposed to make decisions, to protect its people in a public health crisis.
However, as this government has been incompetent and irresponsible, the virus has been allowed to properly take hold of the country.
22/12/2020 20:44:53 0 0
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Couldn’t wait to stick the knife in !
22/12/2020 20:57:08 0 0
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Antarctica so remote but yet today covid strikes again ??????
22/12/2020 21:47:37 0 0
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LOL. Horseshit. Why are we caught by surprise then?
22/12/2020 23:09:34 0 0
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Very well said andyrwebman, thank you.
23/12/2020 01:40:32 0 0
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Germans had nearly 1000 deaths yesterday ...you think that the new mutation has not reached them? They will not release that info until after the Brexit deal ...as I say ...something fishy going on here
23/12/2020 13:30:49 0 0
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There has not been a single test done on this mutant virus ability to spread, not one. It is THOUGHT it may spread more easily.
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
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More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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22/12/2020 15:33:23 18 3
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She's a certified bully.
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cb
22/12/2020 15:34:35 4 0
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They should be more tolerant of people. Like she is. ...
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22/12/2020 15:34:45 0 5
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If only there could be a Labour party of the old kind again, the one that actually cared about workign class people.

But Labour has become more cancer than healthy flesh. Cut Momentum out and most of the party will be gone.
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22/12/2020 15:35:02 4 0
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No,we just take you for a fool..
Jews rule the world, I'm not a racist but there was ever a reason for me to become one it would be Priti Patel, One horrible person Removed
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22/12/2020 15:37:56 6 0
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People criticise Patel for being a sociopathic bully, there is nothing wrong with criticism where it is warranted. Unless you like to side with bullies....
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22/12/2020 15:31:59 2 1
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UH, not the big bag bogieman!
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22/12/2020 15:26:06 558 242
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As it turns out, you can be in the EU and still control your own borders! Any Brexiteer care to comment?
Surely you aren't so thick that you don't understand the difference between freedom of movement and shutting your borders to try and manage a pandemic? Removed
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22/12/2020 15:37:00 14 5
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I would suggest he/she is so thick.
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22/12/2020 16:25:24 3 0
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The UK has always controlled its borders. If an airline brought anyone to the UK that didn’t have the right of entry, they had to remove them at their own (airlines) expense. UK Always had control. As a member of the EU, they naturally were expected to admit EU citizens from other countries. But they were never expected to feed them.
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22/12/2020 15:32:31 27 18
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This article is big wrecking ball of truth smashing leave lies
22/12/2020 18:45:42 0 0
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Yep and they walk right on into it
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22/12/2020 15:32:49 4 2
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You can trust no one !! Since History began ... Life is one big war ... give an inch the opposition will always take a mile !!
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22/12/2020 15:35:22 3 1
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When talking about school and careers, I tell my daughters...life is a rat race....and you have to run faster than the other rats.
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22/12/2020 15:32:55 3 1
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Be quiet Thomas, you dullard.
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22/12/2020 15:27:14 957 222
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Wow, it's almost as if EU member states are able to exercise sovereignty while still being members of a massive trading bloc.
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22/12/2020 15:33:15 327 395
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Its almost as if you (and all the others who continue to post the same) haven't read the rules and don't understand what exceptional circumstances are, even Schengen allows the same for the relevant countries.
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22/12/2020 15:54:38 81 126
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Now don’t go telling remainers facts it gets in the way of their narrative
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22/12/2020 16:12:59 155 39
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It hurts that the whole myth about ‘lost sovereignty’ is being exposed, doesn’t it?
No its almost like you lied to us gammon. Because we were never part of schengen Removed
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22/12/2020 16:21:46 66 11
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Of course it does. Member states are simultaneously sovereign nations.
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22/12/2020 16:22:27 154 40
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I think you'll find Michael's point is that the EU is indeed a series of sovereign states making their own rules - which largely demolishes the ludicrous faux Leave myth that being member of the EU and a sovereign state are totally incompatible! They are not!
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22/12/2020 16:27:28 11 1
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Where do l get a copy of your "rule book""???
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OFH
22/12/2020 16:50:09 12 0
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Nah clearly you’ve not read the rules where it’s not just exceptional circumstances where member states can impose restrictions to freedom of movement.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-persons
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22/12/2020 16:55:26 3 0
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And it's almost as if you don't understand the meaning of the word 'irony' - have a bit of humour! (Let's face it, the current situation will either make us all laugh or cry - frankly I'd sooner laugh than fall into a pit of despair).
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MrW
22/12/2020 17:04:21 2 2
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I'm confused. Have we gained sovereignty be leaving or not?
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22/12/2020 17:08:08 11 2
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We do understand what exceptional circumstances are. Vote leave claimed this and I quote "In a world with so many new threats, it's safer to control our own borders and decide for ourselves who can come into this country, not be overruled by EU judges.".

The implication of that statement is EU members can't close their borders in response to "new threats". That has been proven wrong beyond doubt.
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22/12/2020 17:10:55 6 2
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So where Brexit stories about taking back sovereignity came from. Oh, yes, they were lies. Silly us.
22/12/2020 17:34:02 2 1
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Nice try. But you can only cover up the lies that were used to buy Brexit for so long. Sovereignty being one of them, as I'm sure you're actually well aware.

People are starting to see through it. Which partly explains why support for Brexit is down to 38% and falling.
22/12/2020 17:52:51 2 1
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it's almost as if you and niggle fartrage were just being destructive because of some far-off sepia-tinted delusion of england's importance in the world. It's too late, but at least you seem to be close to seeing the error of your misguided brextremist ways. Too bad. Too sad. Too late - lock yourselves up and shut up.
22/12/2020 18:00:14 0 0
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Who decides on the "exceptional circumstances"? The member state or the EC/EU?
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22/12/2020 15:30:37 141 76
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It is in times like these, we need friendly countries to step forward to cooperate.

But we have tried very hard to loose all friends and partnerships forged over years for some false promises by fake people.
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22/12/2020 15:33:22 159 148
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Remaining in the EU was itself a false promise. The organisation exists for the sole purpose of merging its members into a single state, by deceit, coercion and gradual erosion of national prerogative.

I'll happily be friends with Europeans - I want them to escape this manipulative entity too.
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22/12/2020 15:56:52 15 11
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The unintended irony of you post is laughable. The EU has had the opportunity to do so on many occasions and has done little about it. It is people such as yourself who cannot think for themselves and are guilty of an extreme version of confirmation bias. As for your last statement, you clearly have been manipulated but too gullible and ignorant to realise it.
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22/12/2020 16:22:40 17 7
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What paranoid nonsense! Ditch the Daily Express and have a look at the Guardian!
22/12/2020 18:02:58 0 0
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Far better EU than tory.
22/12/2020 18:14:40 0 1
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You can't free anyone by spreading lies and misinformation, that's a definition of manipulation in itself. And all those thousands of wagons piled up are a very real and undeniable example of how countries within the EU 'can' control borders when they need to.
22/12/2020 18:22:33 2 0
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Escape?

You seem to forget each country joined the EU voluntarily. Each country can voluntarily leave the EU at any time. Nothing is stopping them.

Perhaps they see what so many in the UK don't. The USA are good friends, but how dependable they are depends who's in the White House. Then we have the rise of China. We need to deal with both them on an equal footing. That requires size.
22/12/2020 23:02:02 0 0
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Sounds like a conspiracy theory mate
22/12/2020 23:37:41 0 0
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"organisation exists for the sole purpose of merging its members into a single state, by deceit, coercion and gradual erosion of national prerogative"

Sounds just like formation of England some centuries ago. Took the French a while to beat all those independent shires down, but they managed it.

If leaving EU is good for England, when is Wessex leaving England?

I guess Kent is already cut off…
23/12/2020 13:52:15 0 0
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And your evidence for your claim? Oh that’s right you don’t have any.
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
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More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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22/12/2020 15:33:23 18 3
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She's a certified bully.
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22/12/2020 15:27:14 957 222
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Wow, it's almost as if EU member states are able to exercise sovereignty while still being members of a massive trading bloc.
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22/12/2020 15:33:26 65 34
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That comment is exactly why the BBC opened a HYS on this, despite having another HYS on almost exactly the same subject. They are fishing for responses about border control.

Well done you!
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22/12/2020 16:06:03 42 7
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Better be very careful where it is they choose to fish for those responses.
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22/12/2020 16:49:27 10 3
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and you fell straight in to the trap with the "fishing" reference...... But totally agree the pattern of opening HYS's to comments is blatant to the point of bias.
Meanwhile Priti Patel almost single handily nearly undermined a criminal case of people smuggling that resulted in dozens of innocents death! And she's at the top of a negotiating table... Removed
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22/12/2020 15:33:57 4 6
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Ignoring the fact that they were trying to get into our country illegally.
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22/12/2020 15:34:01 289 81
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Please note Brexiteers.
Sovereign nations are being ADVISED by the Commission.
Don't tell them the truth it hurts their little bigoted brains. Removed
22/12/2020 17:22:22 16 12
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and how are the vaccinations getting on in EU ?. Nothing as they are still debating...and while debating more are dying... yet in UK we have got on with it and saving lives !!!
22/12/2020 17:27:54 22 9
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It didn't sound like "advise" when the EU took legal action against Eastern states for refusing to take their share of Merkel's "guests", after she acted unilaterally and without democratic consent.
22/12/2020 17:57:49 14 2
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Imagine thinking this is some sort of 'gotcha' when in reality it's only allowed because of unique and exceptional circumstances. Normally member states are not allowed to close their borders.
22/12/2020 18:02:08 18 14
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Brexiteers note nothing unless Rupert Murdoch tells them to
22/12/2020 18:08:48 8 7
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It was ever thus

This demonstrates that there was a lack of understanding among Brexiteers
22/12/2020 18:14:26 2 0
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For now.
22/12/2020 18:33:02 7 7
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Oh dear Paul surely as a remainer you are more intelligent than that... exceptional circumstances mean member states can make their own decisions on border control... the U.K. is so clearly sovereign that Cameron had to go to the EU with a begging bowl before the referendum asking for the means to control EU numbers coming to the U.K. and they sent him home with a packet of crisps... so sovereign!
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22/12/2020 15:34:11 17 15
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Now the idiot Brexiters might realise how dependent we are on free trade.
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22/12/2020 15:37:34 12 2
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I was about to say "now those who think it's OK to be utterly dependent on food imports will realise how fragile this situation really is"

We have had this lesson before in both WW1 and WW2 - we were almost brought to our knees by supply disruption. We forgot easily.

Oh - and a free trade deal will not prevent countries from sealing you off if they think you have a killer virus.
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22/12/2020 15:38:19 3 6
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The free trade that cost us 10 billion per year for EU membership ?

Net contributor....ring any bells ?
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22/12/2020 15:31:36 597 46
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It was detected back in September - though its capacity for spreading has only just been realised. It beggars belief to suggest that this variant has not already spread far and wide during less strict times.

Britain spotted it because we've done more whole genome sequencing than the rest of the world combined. The Danes also do some and they have spotted cases too.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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22/12/2020 15:34:28 238 12
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We stopped travel to Denmark when they discovered their strain
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22/12/2020 16:08:33 20 2
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But we didn't stop trade.
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22/12/2020 16:24:58 1 1
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i doubt we did.
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22/12/2020 16:39:03 12 1
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Actually that was to do with mink farming - which apparently is a thing in Denmark.
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22/12/2020 16:59:33 13 0
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Not freight or hauliers.
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22/12/2020 16:59:55 9 1
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We didn't stop it, we banned it. I totally get/appreciate your point but banning things and preventing them are two very different things.
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22/12/2020 17:11:42 5 0
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In minks.
fos
22/12/2020 17:50:01 2 1
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No we didn’t
We stopped travel while a different strain that infected mink was analysed.
During those investigations (with U.K. help) the strain at the centre of these discussions was identified as common in Denmark.As other Eu countries check for this strain it’s likely to prove widespread.
22/12/2020 18:35:51 0 0
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"We stopped travel to Denmark when they discovered their strain."

We did indeed!
23/12/2020 00:11:51 0 0
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Bj knew consequences when he annouced the good news then?
After 12 months ukgov not incontrol. Taiwan 1 positive case (imported!) in 250 days. Bbc reported 'emergency' in s Korea over (now reducing) 1,000 covid positives a day. So what do you call Uks 34,000 cases a day then bbc? World beating?
Google 'UK covid' you get graph of deaths/ cases. Mid September on UK cases were 4000+ a day.
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22/12/2020 15:34:32 8 11
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Test the French drivers last
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22/12/2020 15:37:20 3 6
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For garlic and stinky cheese.
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22/12/2020 15:34:35 5 6
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This is just like France but it now back fired on them cause now they themselves are facing shortages, We need to get this sorted fast. Lets get people tested if we need to. So that these lorry drivers can get back on the road again.
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22/12/2020 15:46:49 2 2
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Shortages of what? Beans? Chips? Black pudding?
Keep dreaming
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
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More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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cb
22/12/2020 15:34:35 4 0
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They should be more tolerant of people. Like she is. ...
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22/12/2020 15:34:41 11 5
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Look at all the maps, the new variant is concentrated around ports and the city of London, which has Heathrow and Gatwick. If it hasn't come from somewhere else, its already gone everywhere else.
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rob
22/12/2020 15:59:37 5 0
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my map has gatwick in crawley as far as i know its always been in west sussex
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
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More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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22/12/2020 15:34:45 0 5
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If only there could be a Labour party of the old kind again, the one that actually cared about workign class people.

But Labour has become more cancer than healthy flesh. Cut Momentum out and most of the party will be gone.
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22/12/2020 16:09:21 2 0
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Your deflection highlights your fear.

Labour and now more centre left and the tories are being dragged further right every time Bandwagon Farage starts up a new crusade
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
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More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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22/12/2020 15:35:02 4 0
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No,we just take you for a fool..
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22/12/2020 15:35:07 90 68
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Welcome to reality, Brexiteers!
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22/12/2020 15:38:59 43 22
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I know, the same happened with Denmark! They got banned from EU travel after the mink strain. That wouldn't have happened if they didn't vote to leave the EU.
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22/12/2020 17:14:49 2 4
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You don't understand. It's very sad.
22/12/2020 18:01:32 0 0
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Nonsense!
22/12/2020 18:02:24 0 0
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
22/12/2020 18:43:08 0 0
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Brexit is proof that Turkeys do vote for Xmas
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22/12/2020 15:35:15 442 151
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So, we were always able to control our borders all along and we needn’t have polarised the country to do so. Well, who knew.
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22/12/2020 15:48:01 261 142
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You might have noticed there wasn't always a pandemic. This kind of behaviour would not normally be tolerated between two countries still technically in the customs union. It's an emergency declaration.

Unless you think we could have remained in the EU and controlled immigration by declaring a perpetual state of emergency?
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22/12/2020 15:50:12 10 3
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Try reading the small print. You have to be on message to be allowed to control your own.
No you can't. What planet are you on? Any EU member has the right to work and live in any other EU country. Get your remainer facts right. When you were living on planet zogg over 2 million poles alone came to the UK. Removed
Farage spent a lot of time criticising the EU for "not being able to close borders" and is apparently the first to start crying when they do. And he's been criticising the Chinese for months for "letting the virus out" when he's apparently happy for the UK to do so.

Any Brexiteers out there feeling guilt for listening to this sack of excreta masquerading as a man yet?
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22/12/2020 16:46:48 10 5
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Freedom of movement is not being able to control borders.
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22/12/2020 16:49:03 2 1
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"Well, who knew": 52%?
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22/12/2020 16:55:13 4 6
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Yes dear, if there is a plague. Not just because you want to.
Joe
22/12/2020 17:18:55 0 0
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Here in lies the problem. Politicians chose not to, punished by a Brexit result.l, and ultimately, a PM who people believe will put the UK first.
22/12/2020 17:53:37 1 2
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something something pandemic something something unprecedented
22/12/2020 18:37:00 0 1
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very boring and usual rubbish being spouted by a cornyite!
22/12/2020 18:44:24 0 0
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Germany wants the UK to take its migrants.
22/12/2020 19:15:26 0 0
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We all know.
That you are talking rubbish.
22/12/2020 21:26:27 0 0
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Not true.
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22/12/2020 15:28:33 321 72
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Surely I can't be the first one to question why the dictatorship that is the EU (apparently) cannot order it's members to open their borders?

The 3rd paragraph about member states being free to set their own border control policy must be a misprint. Probably a remoaner.
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22/12/2020 15:35:18 234 289
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"Remoaner" you mean educated person who's informed? That's the actual truth. People who voted to leave are the ones who are ill-informed and so easy to sway with the false fear of an enemy and the need for a strong nationalism. Maybe if they'd paid attention to the propaganda lessons in history, we wouldn't be so screwed. But nope, too busy going to the school of "commonsense".
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22/12/2020 16:05:20 40 32
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It seems that all remainers think that the only reason some voted for Brexit was because of borders and migration. There are other reasons, but it would take an element of open-mindedness to want to find out what they are. Anyway, for a reason that isn't immediately apparent you clearly know that you're better educated than me, so I will defer to your superior intellect.
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CJR
22/12/2020 16:08:28 20 23
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Funny how you can come to that conclusion.
How do you actually support your claim?
Or is it your opinion of people that don’t agree with you are not educated?
Either way these pathetic last grasp to stay in a union we were never probably integrated with, we always stuck out like a sore thumb, and was always looking not to conform.
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22/12/2020 16:09:49 9 0
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That's the bit before they grduate to the "University of Life"?
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22/12/2020 16:13:09 23 28
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Maybe you should respect a democratic vote and not be so brainwashed by EU propaganda.
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22/12/2020 16:16:31 4 15
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So far eleven idiots have given you the thumbs-down
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22/12/2020 16:33:02 2 8
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Not sore about being a loser are we? Boo hoo it must terrible to have share your life with such an uneducated ignorant rabble.
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22/12/2020 16:39:32 11 7
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I voted out..I wasn't ill informed...people still trolling out this " ill informed" crap 4 and half years on
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22/12/2020 16:41:29 12 5
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Wow, how to win an argument - start off by insulting your opponent. That's the sort of tactic Trump uses.

Maybe you guys on the remoaning side aren't quite as intelligent as you think you are.
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Pam
22/12/2020 16:45:43 2 5
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Thanks for your post! It has cheered me up. So sick of hearing nationalistic nonsense.
They're being sarcastic ffs.. Removed
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22/12/2020 16:53:43 6 1
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Maybe if people had looked at the 'propaganda' when asked if they wanted to join the single market EEC they would have said no! We were not asked to vote on joining the EU which it mutated into.
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22/12/2020 16:55:54 3 1
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Think that post went a little above your head
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22/12/2020 17:13:08 1 0
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Brilliant Not Telling!
22/12/2020 17:29:24 1 1
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Sorry, but in the context of the EU’s clearly disproportionate response to our doing exactly the right thing, that is complete nonsense. One difficulty in life which you perfectly illustrate however, is the number of over educated, but essentially thick people who possess keyboards.
22/12/2020 17:43:46 1 1
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educated person who's informed? If it was a statement, why the ?
What is "actual" truth as opposed to truth.
I voted remain but seeing some of the "actual" truth in comments from people who do not accept that some very well-informed, educated people voted to leave the EU, I wonder if my informed decision was the right one.

UK has left the EU, positivity not negativity for the future.
22/12/2020 17:58:02 0 1
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They are not Remoaners, they are mainiacs wit Re before the m?
22/12/2020 18:01:30 0 0
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As I was told so many times back in 2016... english people just don't like foreigners... Rupert Murdoch told them not to.
22/12/2020 18:03:51 0 0
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Oh I’m educated, so everyone else is wrong. You need help.
22/12/2020 18:08:52 0 0
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Educated - mis-informed? If people like you can ignore Democracy and refuse to accept you lost - then my friend you are the one that conforms to the uneducated ideal. The systemic destruction of our Manufacturing Industries as well as Fishing , Farming and Shipping has quite obviously passed you by - with an influx of 10 million immigrants in 15 years - oh yes that is real "common sense " eh?
22/12/2020 18:15:31 0 0
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Love how people like you presume to know exactly why people voted for Brexit.....you have no idea what's going on in the real world
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
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More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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Jews rule the world, I'm not a racist but there was ever a reason for me to become one it would be Priti Patel, One horrible person Removed
You can trust no one !! Since History began ... Life is one big war ... give an inch the opposition will always take a mile !!
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22/12/2020 15:35:22 3 1
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When talking about school and careers, I tell my daughters...life is a rat race....and you have to run faster than the other rats.
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22/12/2020 15:55:01 0 0
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Pathetic! The advice should be to equip yourself with the competencies to ensure you are a desirable product. Only those who are in unproductive roles would have your opinion. Life is not as you describe it. By the way, I am a chartered civil and structural engineer who has enjoyed working with others throughout a 45 year career.
Never has anyone trampled on anyone else. I respect my fellows.
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22/12/2020 15:35:22 4 0
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The Express?
Fount of unbiased news.......as if!
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22/12/2020 15:30:37 141 76
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It is in times like these, we need friendly countries to step forward to cooperate.

But we have tried very hard to loose all friends and partnerships forged over years for some false promises by fake people.
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22/12/2020 15:36:00 3 13
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No wonder there is little willingness amongst EU counties to stand with Uk. We can not start to enjoy the fruits of brexit.
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22/12/2020 15:43:47 20 7
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Its a pandemic. Normal behaviour has been suspended, and some unscrupulous types are trying to make political capital out of it. Others are panicking.

When the Oxford Vaccine is approved in the EU, will we withhold it to them as a threat? I think not - we'll set a better example.
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22/12/2020 15:28:33 321 72
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Surely I can't be the first one to question why the dictatorship that is the EU (apparently) cannot order it's members to open their borders?

The 3rd paragraph about member states being free to set their own border control policy must be a misprint. Probably a remoaner.
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22/12/2020 15:36:01 6 0
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Interesting eh?
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22/12/2020 15:26:06 558 242
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As it turns out, you can be in the EU and still control your own borders! Any Brexiteer care to comment?
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22/12/2020 15:36:08 62 76
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Yes - I do

Closing in an emergency isn't the same thing as refusing to take part in freedom of movement and flooding your economy with low skilled workers which de-incentivise automation of manual jobs (fruit picking, for example) and who consume more in services than they spend on tax
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22/12/2020 15:47:15 70 29
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Migrants as a group contribute more than they take out from public services (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497).

Also, if the automation of fruit picking was so simple like the automation in place for the harvesting of some vegetables do you not think farmers would have already switched to automation?
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22/12/2020 15:55:37 16 11
bbc
Oh no the poor fruit pickers, the cornerstone of our economy..grow up.
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22/12/2020 16:05:57 5 3
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What a load of bull! Automation is coming to get rid of the #neverspoons brigade who are scared of work
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22/12/2020 16:12:55 5 0
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Scotland's multi million £ berry crops get and picked , you cannot pick raps Strawbs etc with a machine .
1/2 the crop went unpicked this year due to staff shortages .
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22/12/2020 16:12:55 4 0
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many agricultural jobs CAN'T be automated fruit picking one of them ever been in an orchard? thought not I'll bet my bottom pound that anyone sneering at low skilled manual jobs would be outraged if they were asked to do one of these trades
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22/12/2020 16:26:31 3 3
bbc
“and who consume more in services than they spend on tax”

That has been debunked so many times. Fake news worthy of Trump.
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22/12/2020 16:48:10 2 2
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No he's got a point. I came to this country from the EU. Upon arrival, I immediately started flooding the economy with my low-skilled labour and I consume so much services I can hardly keep up. And, honestly, I don't even need all those low-skill jobs, nor do I need to consume all those services, I just hoard the excess in my shed like the jobs and services hoarding dragon I actually am ??
Meanwhile Priti Patel almost single handily nearly undermined a criminal case of people smuggling that resulted in dozens of innocents death! And she's at the top of a negotiating table... Removed
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22/12/2020 15:36:29 3 1
bbc
An a bully to boot..
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22/12/2020 15:36:57 32 23
bbc
With Brexit, this is well what could be reality at the whim of the EU. They are not wrong, they will have sovereignty. So will the UK, so what is the fuss. If the UK has difficulty with a few days then how will things work out long term? Brexit is the single most unrealistic vote ever as it shows the lack of knowledge of globalisation. Sad reality, sad future. Please, no moaning from leavers.
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22/12/2020 15:38:44 20 21
bbc
You're doing all the moaning for them.
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22/12/2020 15:40:53 4 1
bbc
No moaning, just more validation.
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22/12/2020 15:41:09 3 3
bbc
This is ports being sealed off because of a virus variant. It's a poor decision - because the variant is already in Europe - but they're doing it because they need to be seen to do something.

Unless you're saying that having ports arbitrarily closed to you is what happens if you're not in the EU? Goodness me, I wonder how we ever manage to ship goods in from the rest of the world?
22/12/2020 18:27:43 0 0
bbc
The big industrial giants in France and Germany just cannot afford a no deal. They will force the EU to cave in and give us the deal we want.
Surely you aren't so thick that you don't understand the difference between freedom of movement and shutting your borders to try and manage a pandemic? Removed
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22/12/2020 15:37:00 14 5
bbc
I would suggest he/she is so thick.
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22/12/2020 15:27:18 18 17
bbc
Macron closed the border he should take responsibility for the consequences of his action. Including the welfare of drivers.
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22/12/2020 15:37:05 0 3
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Macron is like Trump. Does what he wants and it is not to help the EU or the UK. Hopefully we can get used to using the other ports and not France. Santander is a good option.
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22/12/2020 15:34:32 8 11
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Test the French drivers last
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22/12/2020 15:37:20 3 6
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For garlic and stinky cheese.
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22/12/2020 15:31:03 16 6
bbc
He is putting the welfare of his country first, that's all. We'd do the same.
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22/12/2020 15:37:24 2 0
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But we didn't
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22/12/2020 15:34:11 17 15
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Now the idiot Brexiters might realise how dependent we are on free trade.
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22/12/2020 15:37:34 12 2
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I was about to say "now those who think it's OK to be utterly dependent on food imports will realise how fragile this situation really is"

We have had this lesson before in both WW1 and WW2 - we were almost brought to our knees by supply disruption. We forgot easily.

Oh - and a free trade deal will not prevent countries from sealing you off if they think you have a killer virus.
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22/12/2020 15:37:45 14 4
bbc
Europe coming to our aid already, get in
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22/12/2020 15:26:06 558 242
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As it turns out, you can be in the EU and still control your own borders! Any Brexiteer care to comment?
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bbc
Unless you are an illegal immigrant then you can do as you like. Why don’t you pi@@ off to Berlin with all the other freaks. Removed
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22/12/2020 15:52:41 0 1
bbc
Why don't you?
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22/12/2020 15:31:05 8 17
bbc
More shame for the Far Left Haters, rounding on Patel again, were not the Jews enough?

Making these political issues into personalised hate, at least ensures Starmer will have an easier job flushing the 'Momentous' ones out.
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22/12/2020 15:37:56 6 0
bbc
People criticise Patel for being a sociopathic bully, there is nothing wrong with criticism where it is warranted. Unless you like to side with bullies....
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22/12/2020 15:38:02 6 21
bbc
"EU urges countries to lift UK travel bans"

Yeah right. How much "urging" are they doing. Much rather live in the UK than the people's socialist republic of Europe
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cb
22/12/2020 15:40:58 3 0
bbc
Yeah. At least in the U.K. we have the NH and state pensions and the welfare state....wait. What was your point again?
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22/12/2020 15:52:05 0 0
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You dont know unless you've tried it. I live in Germany, prefare it any day to England
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22/12/2020 15:52:55 0 0
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Unfortunately you are living in the UK sadly to many of your type are. Enjoy the fascist state of the UK while you can. It won't be long before there is a backlash
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22/12/2020 15:34:11 17 15
bbc
Now the idiot Brexiters might realise how dependent we are on free trade.
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22/12/2020 15:38:19 3 6
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The free trade that cost us 10 billion per year for EU membership ?

Net contributor....ring any bells ?
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22/12/2020 15:42:49 5 1
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Yet in just over 4 years, Brexit has cost us more than the combined total of our contributions since 1973. How’s that NHS money going (or has it been diverted to Serco?)
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22/12/2020 15:36:57 32 23
bbc
With Brexit, this is well what could be reality at the whim of the EU. They are not wrong, they will have sovereignty. So will the UK, so what is the fuss. If the UK has difficulty with a few days then how will things work out long term? Brexit is the single most unrealistic vote ever as it shows the lack of knowledge of globalisation. Sad reality, sad future. Please, no moaning from leavers.
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22/12/2020 15:38:44 20 21
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You're doing all the moaning for them.
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22/12/2020 15:42:55 3 0
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No, just sadly chuckling at the immense ignorance.
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22/12/2020 15:38:48 4 16
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All these countries are an embarrassment along with anyone who thinks they action is good. All these countries have aloud illegal immigrants to March straight for the uk no questions asked.
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22/12/2020 15:48:15 1 0
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"Facts" - actually all it proves is that these countries value the health and well being of their populations more than the UK government do. Also it proves that the UK could have controlled its immigration at any time by closing the border if it had so wished. Surely you don't think it is an embarrassment for a country to use its sovereign powers? Perhaps it would be better if the EU decided?
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22/12/2020 15:50:30 0 0
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The UK has let in far less immigrants than some EU countries
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22/12/2020 15:50:53 0 0
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Fact: 95% of asylum claims in Europe are to stay in countries on the other side of the Channel.
You won't read that in the Daily Express.
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22/12/2020 15:57:55 0 0
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Your grammar is appalling.
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22/12/2020 16:10:27 0 0
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Why wouldn’t they? The uk have treated everyone with contempt and after , I think it was Williamson said the UK are better than Belgium, France and the US - could you blame them?
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22/12/2020 15:35:07 90 68
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Welcome to reality, Brexiteers!
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22/12/2020 15:38:59 43 22
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I know, the same happened with Denmark! They got banned from EU travel after the mink strain. That wouldn't have happened if they didn't vote to leave the EU.
22/12/2020 17:47:09 4 1
bbc
Erm, Denmark voted to leave the EU? Must have missed that but, hey, you quite sure?
And still there are upticks. Astonishing.
22/12/2020 18:04:59 0 0
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Now don't tell us, you were there.
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22/12/2020 15:39:34 3 11
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No doubt a lot of other countries will have it . Typical EU panic stations over nothing ..
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22/12/2020 15:49:06 2 0
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Like sending out war ships
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22/12/2020 15:39:35 278 91
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Oh, E.U. member states are' free to set their own rules on border controls '......well, of course they are .Always were. But, some folks got sold a lie
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22/12/2020 16:11:49 170 185
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Oh, I see, freedom of movement was a lie? Not a very well thought through comment, voted to the top by nodding EU nationalists.. On the BBC, funded by the UK taxpayer, who's no.1 objective at present is to undermine the UK and praise every little aspect of the EU.
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22/12/2020 16:50:21 5 15
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Sorry I don't think so.
22/12/2020 17:59:01 6 13
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The only lie is that being peddled by remainers who are equating closing borders in a pandemic for emergency medical reasons, to closing them permanently to whoever we want, which is something impossible while an EU member.
22/12/2020 18:09:56 4 0
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and swallowed it hook line and sinker

Sorry Breiteers - you were taken as suckers
22/12/2020 18:32:52 0 0
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Dunces hats were in short supply 4 years ago
22/12/2020 19:25:19 0 0
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Wrong.
They are not normally free to set their border controls.
Only under exceptional circumstances, such as these.
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22/12/2020 15:40:12 4 13
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So....my theory is that M Macron closed the border in a fit of pique (and against EU rules) after learning the the EU has caved in regarding fisheries to agree a deal. EU officials now have the task of overturning his actions without causing too much embarrassment within the ranks. As an afterthought the virus upsurge hit our South east coast first eg across the channel perhaps?
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22/12/2020 15:48:21 4 0
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Started on the Christmas sherry already?
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22/12/2020 15:49:00 0 0
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Only if those coming across the Channel did the extra 50 miles to land at the infection epicentres of Sheppey or Chatham rather than Dover or Folkestone.
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22/12/2020 15:40:15 171 75
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But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies

As made clear all the way through the Brexit process from day 1. How this country has been lied to time and again by our government and those pushing their twisted ideals
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22/12/2020 15:47:15 122 130
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As long as the policies are approved then yes they are free. Remainer naivety at its best.
No you can't. What planet are you on? Any EU member has the right to work and live in any other EU country. Get your remainer facts right. When you were living on planet zogg over 2 million poles alone came to the UK. Removed
22/12/2020 18:00:07 4 7
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You are either lying or being very disingenuous with your half truth. They are only free to close the borders in very limited circumstances, not during normal times.
22/12/2020 18:28:48 2 2
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Gosh - no one came up with that one during endless debate pre-referendum- you must be proper disgruntled- oh well...
23/12/2020 01:18:49 1 0
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total bulls--t! The EU controls the laws, money, interest rates etc! Also their immigration!!
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22/12/2020 15:40:20 169 68
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So the EU are encouraging the Sovereign member states to open travel to the UK again to get the freight moving.

Who would have though that:
1. The EU would punish the UK by asking member states to open the borders again.
2. EU member states could close their borders on their own.

Oh yes, Quitlings that's who.
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22/12/2020 16:02:43 137 83
bbc
It was and remains only the French who are using this crisis to add pressure in the hope of gaining more rights to fish in UK waters.
EU members are still not allowed to prevent economic migrants from other EU nations; even if they drive down wages, push up property prices, ruin plans for public services or reduce quality of life.
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xlr
22/12/2020 16:47:53 18 2
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In related news, Scotland cannot choose to close its border, unlike the UK and every other EU country.

I'm sure Brexiteers will be first to support us getting more sovereignty, right?
22/12/2020 18:28:28 0 0
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Muppets you mean
23/12/2020 13:44:40 0 0
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And remember no one likes a quitter!
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22/12/2020 15:36:57 32 23
bbc
With Brexit, this is well what could be reality at the whim of the EU. They are not wrong, they will have sovereignty. So will the UK, so what is the fuss. If the UK has difficulty with a few days then how will things work out long term? Brexit is the single most unrealistic vote ever as it shows the lack of knowledge of globalisation. Sad reality, sad future. Please, no moaning from leavers.
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22/12/2020 15:40:53 4 1
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No moaning, just more validation.
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22/12/2020 15:38:02 6 21
bbc
"EU urges countries to lift UK travel bans"

Yeah right. How much "urging" are they doing. Much rather live in the UK than the people's socialist republic of Europe
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cb
22/12/2020 15:40:58 3 0
bbc
Yeah. At least in the U.K. we have the NH and state pensions and the welfare state....wait. What was your point again?
50
22/12/2020 15:36:57 32 23
bbc
With Brexit, this is well what could be reality at the whim of the EU. They are not wrong, they will have sovereignty. So will the UK, so what is the fuss. If the UK has difficulty with a few days then how will things work out long term? Brexit is the single most unrealistic vote ever as it shows the lack of knowledge of globalisation. Sad reality, sad future. Please, no moaning from leavers.
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22/12/2020 15:41:09 3 3
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This is ports being sealed off because of a virus variant. It's a poor decision - because the variant is already in Europe - but they're doing it because they need to be seen to do something.

Unless you're saying that having ports arbitrarily closed to you is what happens if you're not in the EU? Goodness me, I wonder how we ever manage to ship goods in from the rest of the world?
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22/12/2020 15:47:12 1 1
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Well actually yes, with no deal UK has no rights to trade as far as I am aware. Why on earth would you think they do?
xlr
22/12/2020 17:18:39 0 0
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Ineffectually closing borders because they "need to be seen to do something".

My, that sounds familiar...
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22/12/2020 15:42:01 11 3
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Truth is there have been many variants of the virus. The latest one may be a bit more virulent but Johnson & Co. bigged it up in an effort to deflect from their own incompetence.
They only intended to deceive the domestic audience but it came back to bite them when the rest of the world took them seriously.
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22/12/2020 15:42:04 2 12
bbc
Well thanks a lot EU for that knee-jerk reaction. How to win friends and influence people.........
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22/12/2020 15:42:26 6 7
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Why should Europe let GB in? Covid-UK, better known as the UK Flue, is the most dangerous variants of Covid and is set to kill thousands of Europeans citizens unless action is swiftly taken.

The UK needs to be banned until December 31 after which it should be banned forever.

The UK-Bug is real and a threat. Keep infected Britians away. Europe needs to take back control.
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22/12/2020 15:45:35 2 0
bbc
It's already in Europe. The DNA was first sequenced in September.

If you'd like to bet that it isn't already in many, many EU nations, go ahead. I'd happily make the opposite wager.
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22/12/2020 15:46:41 0 0
bbc
Pure fiction!
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22/12/2020 16:00:58 0 1
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We need to find a cure for the Brexit brain slug while we are at it.
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22/12/2020 15:42:39 4 10
bbc
The Eu exports far more goods to sell to us, than we import from the EU

So this was never going to last long because it cripples the EU Bloc more with lost earnings than it does us. This has been nothing but a Brexit exercise from the EU Bloc
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22/12/2020 15:46:29 3 1
bbc
Yeah, they rely on their sales to us for a huge 3% of their income.

We only need them for 15% of our jobs & pay.
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22/12/2020 15:55:36 0 0
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Your comment makes little sense. We are importing the same amount of goods from the EU as they are exporting to us. (It's like saying tails I win, heads you lose). You seem to imply that there is a difference between what the EU export to us and what we import from the EU
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22/12/2020 16:01:56 0 0
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We don’t export to the EU, we export to individual countries within the EU.
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22/12/2020 15:38:19 3 6
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The free trade that cost us 10 billion per year for EU membership ?

Net contributor....ring any bells ?
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22/12/2020 15:42:49 5 1
bbc
Yet in just over 4 years, Brexit has cost us more than the combined total of our contributions since 1973. How’s that NHS money going (or has it been diverted to Serco?)
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22/12/2020 15:59:05 2 1
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Could have had it done and dusted many years before, if it weren't for half our MPs trying to disrupt the outcome.

ON the plus side, we've had around 500,000 fewer people enter the country. A reduction in population growth is always something to celebrate. The EU status quo was unsustainable.
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22/12/2020 15:38:44 20 21
bbc
You're doing all the moaning for them.
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22/12/2020 15:42:55 3 0
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No, just sadly chuckling at the immense ignorance.
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22/12/2020 15:42:55 1 10
bbc
PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THE TRAVEL BAN

and let all the mindless holiday makers out of the UK

only to bring the deadly version of corona virus back from Germany
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22/12/2020 15:44:18 2 0
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And what about OUR Freedom of Movement within the European Union?
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22/12/2020 15:50:45 0 0
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COVID-UK is a deadly disease that needs to be isolated. Ban every British person until there are no cases in the UK. At the current rate of infection we're looking at 2050.
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22/12/2020 15:24:26 201 38
bbc
“But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies.“
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22/12/2020 15:43:22 2 18
bbc
If we could have ended freedom of movement while staying in the single market I guess people would have had different opinion but I doubt that's allowed, but mostly the influx of Romanians and the reckless Merkel giving residence to so many Syrians scared people into leaving.
It was just bad timing that we voted to leave, me I was too lazy to vote and undecided, I couldn't choose at the time.
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22/12/2020 15:43:23 4 14
bbc
EU urges member 'states' to lift travel restrictions from the UK, but cannot enforce it. Toothless organisation when they want to be!! Another reason why the UK should leave the EU pdq, deal or no deal
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cb
22/12/2020 15:45:00 4 0
bbc
Fascist when it suits. Toothless when it suits.

What am I?
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22/12/2020 15:46:41 2 0
bbc
Or another way of looking at it is that the EU 27 are independent sovereign states free to control their own boarders, and not told what to do by unelected bureaucrats.
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22/12/2020 15:52:14 3 0
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You voted to leave the EU because you thought it didn't have enough power over the UK government?
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22/12/2020 15:36:00 3 13
bbc
No wonder there is little willingness amongst EU counties to stand with Uk. We can not start to enjoy the fruits of brexit.
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22/12/2020 15:43:47 20 7
bbc
Its a pandemic. Normal behaviour has been suspended, and some unscrupulous types are trying to make political capital out of it. Others are panicking.

When the Oxford Vaccine is approved in the EU, will we withhold it to them as a threat? I think not - we'll set a better example.
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22/12/2020 16:11:28 4 6
bbc
I bet they can’t wait for the 60% effective cure
22/12/2020 17:27:37 3 0
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EU to approve a UK Oxford vaccine !!!!
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22/12/2020 15:42:28 11 6
bbc
Just look at all the ignorant, paranoid squealing and bleating from the quitlings! What an embarrassment they are. Back of the queue for the foodbanks, quitlings.
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22/12/2020 15:42:43 7 2
bbc
Perhaps many in the EU have realised, like most of us Brits, that you have to take BJ and Hancock's scaremongering with a mountain of salt.

Perhaps they also realise that the "70% more infectious" is currently nothing more than just conjecture, without any strong scientific evidence to back it up.
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22/12/2020 15:43:59 194 16
bbc
While I am not one to destructively criticise the poor performance of elected representatives and civil servants in this pandemic I find it incredulous that provision has not been made for toileting and supply of food and drink for the stranded lorry drivers.
That cannot have been an unforeseen circumstance. When this is over we Must ensure MPs and civil servants are competent. We have donkeys now
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22/12/2020 15:55:30 160 8
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That’s very unkind to donkeys
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22/12/2020 15:55:40 12 0
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I'm sure the French decision to close the border was an unexpected circumstance right now, rather than in a few days time if no deal is done.

I agree it is quite poor that nothing is being reported as being done to ensure the health or safety of the drivers stuck unable to move forwards or backwards, this could be achieved at all levels of government
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22/12/2020 17:09:41 7 0
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Please do not compare them to donkeys - divine creatures unlike this bunch who deserve another name for a donkey!!
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22/12/2020 17:16:49 9 0
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Suspect our Govt hasn’t realised either that if they go for no deal that a small number of French Fishing boats acting can blockage Calais (and other) port indefinitely!
22/12/2020 17:21:11 5 4
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If you care to check Manston airport in Kent which is a designated lorry park for such events has all the facilities you seem to think are not available !
22/12/2020 17:38:20 10 1
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We undervalue truck drivers at the best of times. They eat and sleep in their trucks for days on end sometimes and facilities are pretty poor. Without them we'd find empty supermarket shelves, so I hope this will serve as a wake up call.
hoo
22/12/2020 17:45:29 4 0
bbc
HGVs have sleeping and washing facilities ? Would you leave for a trip of hundreds of miles without supplies? I never have.
22/12/2020 18:05:34 3 0
bbc
Operation Stack (this is a version of that) has always had portaloos available. Plus these are mostly sleeper-cabs, so how do they normally cope on a night-stop?
22/12/2020 18:06:34 2 0
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It’s funny how everyone can do better. Yea right.
22/12/2020 18:10:51 6 1
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PPatel won't bother as they aren't british - most of them are european drivers trying to get back home and the rest are full of perishable scottish seafood - nothing to get in a fuss over especially at the weekend... Tories are a joke
22/12/2020 18:11:37 4 0
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I think you will find civil servant do as instructed by the policians where possible. The tories have not officially instructed the civil servants to employ the 50,000 civil servants they told us they need for border control.
ET
22/12/2020 18:30:55 2 0
bbc
A basic intelligence test for MPs would be a start.
Basic statistics.
Comprehension testing too. Then they might answer questions.
Some of what I’ve heard recently makes Ms Abott sound like she’s on the ball!
22/12/2020 18:37:34 0 0
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Well, you better give MPs a huge pay rise then. If you want the highly competent to run this country, then you need to attract them to the role, otherwise they will work elsewhere.
22/12/2020 19:28:20 0 0
bbc
Competent means educated, successful and experienced and that due to capitalism tends to mean wealthy; Something which is always frowned upon. Hence we have donkeys and always will do until people wake up and realise this.
22/12/2020 20:20:39 0 0
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It has but they have to go to Manston for all of the facilities. They preferer to be close to the ferries to jump the que when they reopen Self inflicted.
22/12/2020 22:58:17 0 0
bbc
If there contract where they could personally profit one their chums to provide these welfare facilities...
22/12/2020 23:10:20 1 0
bbc
"provision has not been made for toileting and supply of food and drink for the stranded lorry drivers.
That cannot have been an unforeseen"

That was known as soon as BoJo said 11 months for a 7-year negotiation—clearest No Deal signal ever.

On the bright side, this is a useful wake-up call for what it'll be like on Jan 1st after No Deal.

See, bright side—might even be a sunlit upland.
23/12/2020 00:17:35 1 0
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Agree on incompetence.
And covid is now a 12 month old issue.
In 12th month UKgov has again lost control, locked down. Taiwan has 1 covid+ case in 250 days. S Korea has controlled covid at 1,000 cases a day. UK gov was 4000+ cases since mid September! Current cases at 33,000 a day!
Then mention 60,000 avoidable deaths, 60,000 long covid, economic damage. World beating! Not.
23/12/2020 01:55:40 0 0
bbc
Have you ever met a typical truck driver ? The BBC and Guardian have of course managed to find the one or two who are not typical thus turning it into some kind of human rights issue . Next they will be 'starving' and food parcels will be send their way . They are tough men who have experienced far worse ...like when the French go on strike
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22/12/2020 15:44:14 11 9
bbc
Isolated little islands needs EU to help already, we are of no significance or have any influence any more, we will be trampled all over, well done brexiteers, let's hope you are the majority that suffers most
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mjb
22/12/2020 15:51:26 3 1
bbc
is that Eire that has had it's goods blockaded by the French, again........
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22/12/2020 15:53:09 1 0
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Not sure I follow your logic. France (part of the EU) has shut it's borders with the UK as a bit of kneejerk reaction to the virus mutation seen in the UK. Not entirely unreasonably. However, the UK didn't ask the EU to open them again. That is down to the EU commission suggesting that everything should be done to keep transport moving in both directions.

Doesn't need a lot of finger pointing
You must be a communist then
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22/12/2020 15:42:55 1 10
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PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THE TRAVEL BAN

and let all the mindless holiday makers out of the UK

only to bring the deadly version of corona virus back from Germany
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22/12/2020 15:44:18 2 0
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And what about OUR Freedom of Movement within the European Union?
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22/12/2020 15:44:29 4 1
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Well, it's just a glimmer of things to come, happy new year
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22/12/2020 15:52:10 2 6
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yes it is, time to starting buying stuff from outside the EU methinks......
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22/12/2020 15:25:17 741 330
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It's almost as if the EU is a relatively benign organization (not perfect but nothing is), which encourages coordination between members, but each can still make their own decisions. Gee, wouldn't it be nice to be part of such a club. We could do our own thing when that's best, and work with others when it's to our advantage. We could even negotiate opt-outs and rebates.
It is interesting that the 'Kentish Flu' comes from the same place as Nigel Farage. Devine retribution? Removed
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22/12/2020 15:48:45 18 1
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Do we have a guide to distinguish the Flu of Kent from Kentish Flu?
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22/12/2020 16:00:56 48 16
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In Farage's case think Kentish Flu should be spelt with a 'C'.
Its not Kentish Flu you moron, don't call it that when its not true Removed
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22/12/2020 16:29:55 13 1
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Perhaps you have not read the article. It does say "... Some experts believe the new strain has already spread beyond where it has been reported, crediting the UK's use of genomic surveillance for detecting it." Will you applaud the government if that statement is true?
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22/12/2020 15:44:43 5 1
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Sovereign Europe defying the European Commission.

Now your getting it Europe...

Feels good....yeah?
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22/12/2020 15:44:59 4 3
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Who's perishable items are rotting on the border , for every £ 1 million in exports , there is £3 million in EU goods . No one wants a trade war , but that is where it is going .
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22/12/2020 15:43:23 4 14
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EU urges member 'states' to lift travel restrictions from the UK, but cannot enforce it. Toothless organisation when they want to be!! Another reason why the UK should leave the EU pdq, deal or no deal
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22/12/2020 15:45:00 4 0
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Fascist when it suits. Toothless when it suits.

What am I?
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22/12/2020 16:12:45 1 0
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A Brexiter.
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22/12/2020 15:45:13 98 45
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"But EU member states are free to set their own rules on border controls and may continue with their own policies."

Seems we didn't need to take back control after all.
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22/12/2020 15:53:44 61 12
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The EU has always set guidelines, member states could choose to implement or not. This country always implemented what the government of the day would be able to hide behind when making unpopular decisions.
No you can't. What planet are you on? Any EU member has the right to work and live in any other EU country. Get your remainer facts right. When you were living on planet zogg over 2 million poles alone came to the UK. Removed
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22/12/2020 16:23:16 8 2
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WHO is going to take back control anyway? If it's the likes of Patel, Gove, Williamson et al, are we REALLY happy donning our caps and having our lives thus bossed. If so, I suggest some folk's expectations are pretty low
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So should be no problem with the fish then.
22/12/2020 18:02:11 1 2
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22/12/2020 18:03:19 6 0
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Lots of remainers making these sort of comments. They must think they are very smart! But member states are not free to set their own rules during normal times, only for medical emergencies like this pandemic. Open borders within the EU is a core tenet of EU membership and non-negotiable (we tried remember).
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B u T W e D i D i T f O r T h e n H s ! :P
22/12/2020 19:31:54 1 2
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Oh, you really have lost the plot, haven't you?
22/12/2020 23:42:37 2 2
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"Seems we didn't need to take back control after all"

Well yeah, bit difficult to take back what you've already got.

Btw, how's UK immigration going these days? Are there still more coming in from outside EU?

It shows the contempt BoJo, Nigel et al hold for the Quitters—they know they're so easy to dupe & lead by the nose that they didn't even bother to pretend to practice on non-EU immigrants.
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Here's an excellent example of why Europe doesn't work and I voted to leave it.
How many European companies also affected by uncoordinated border closures, pathetic.
And don start me at an International level - how UN-united are we - we are doomed!
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22/12/2020 15:49:45 8 1
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You voted to leave the EU because member countries have too much sovereignty? Interesting...
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22/12/2020 15:45:32 150 67
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It's almost as though rather than being an undemocratic dictatorship that crushes member countries under the French/German boot, the EU might just be a collection of sovereign nations working together for mutual benefit. Who would have thought it...
22/12/2020 18:01:18 37 20
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Gullible and naive people?
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22/12/2020 15:42:26 6 7
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Why should Europe let GB in? Covid-UK, better known as the UK Flue, is the most dangerous variants of Covid and is set to kill thousands of Europeans citizens unless action is swiftly taken.

The UK needs to be banned until December 31 after which it should be banned forever.

The UK-Bug is real and a threat. Keep infected Britians away. Europe needs to take back control.
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22/12/2020 15:45:35 2 0
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It's already in Europe. The DNA was first sequenced in September.

If you'd like to bet that it isn't already in many, many EU nations, go ahead. I'd happily make the opposite wager.
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22/12/2020 15:46:19 11 7
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Farage must be as pink as a gammon seeing this
Hello i am not from here ,.. what is a gammon ?
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22/12/2020 15:42:39 4 10
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The Eu exports far more goods to sell to us, than we import from the EU

So this was never going to last long because it cripples the EU Bloc more with lost earnings than it does us. This has been nothing but a Brexit exercise from the EU Bloc
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22/12/2020 15:46:29 3 1
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Yeah, they rely on their sales to us for a huge 3% of their income.

We only need them for 15% of our jobs & pay.
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22/12/2020 15:42:26 6 7
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Why should Europe let GB in? Covid-UK, better known as the UK Flue, is the most dangerous variants of Covid and is set to kill thousands of Europeans citizens unless action is swiftly taken.

The UK needs to be banned until December 31 after which it should be banned forever.

The UK-Bug is real and a threat. Keep infected Britians away. Europe needs to take back control.
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22/12/2020 15:46:41 0 0
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Pure fiction!
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22/12/2020 15:43:23 4 14
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EU urges member 'states' to lift travel restrictions from the UK, but cannot enforce it. Toothless organisation when they want to be!! Another reason why the UK should leave the EU pdq, deal or no deal
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22/12/2020 15:46:41 2 0
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Or another way of looking at it is that the EU 27 are independent sovereign states free to control their own boarders, and not told what to do by unelected bureaucrats.
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22/12/2020 15:46:47 5 2
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EU know the French Transport Ministry over reacted in stopping freight movement - and its come back to bite inconveniently thier own citizens. Probably also anxious that they haven't been genetically sequencing strains of the virus in thier own countries - new variants with high frequencies will be popping up all over.

Science overcomes brexist arm wrestling perhaps.
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22/12/2020 15:57:48 2 0
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Science certainly overcomes Brexit.