UK government 'likely to miss' broadband and 5G targets
22/12/2020 | news | technology | 490
More must be done if the UK is to be future-proofed rather than playing catch-up, say MPs.
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22/12/2020 10:25:49 123 32
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Xmas Quiz

Name a Target this Government has hit?
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22/12/2020 10:34:35 54 6
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Does it have to be a real one or can I claim capacity to test is the same as actually testing? If so I may have an half point answer. Go on, it’s Xmas...
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:44:40 8 0
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Dart board in House of Commons games room
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22/12/2020 10:45:30 8 11
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4th election victory in a row

I believe that was a target
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22/12/2020 11:01:58 22 0
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Giving their mates or mates of mates loads of taxpayers funds?
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22/12/2020 11:04:15 5 10
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Name any government that has met a target
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22/12/2020 11:09:57 8 1
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Shot a pheasant right between the eyes. Wished it was a peasant. Fwar!
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22/12/2020 11:16:04 4 14
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Keeping Corbyn out, several times, with increasing success.
Only thing I recall Blair and Brown hitting were civilians (and a financial meltdown without a pandemic in sight)
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22/12/2020 11:18:08 1 0
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You're right, of course.

They were narrowly missing the chance for a "incompetence while in the seat of government" award, but now WILL get it as Chris Graying & Gavin Williamson have stepped in to help out..
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22/12/2020 11:18:35 2 4
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Totally ignoring the fact that the government doesn't own any of the providers, wouldn't succeed in nationalising them outside of fifteen years of legal battles, and the providers are obstructed by local authorities nationwide.
Some facts wouldn't go amiss amidst all the propaganda....
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22/12/2020 11:20:32 3 1
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It was to be expected, Boris always seems to over promise just to be popular, a populist politician who will say almost anything, history has taught us nothing because this type of politician seems to thrive until people realise lies do not feed or clothe and home your families.
I am shocked at the plight of the people in England, at least Scotland and Wales could leave the union, we need better.
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22/12/2020 11:11:30 1 0
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Far too easy ‘O’ am i right?
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22/12/2020 11:32:52 1 0
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They don't do U turns - they're just on a permanent carousel to hell.
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22/12/2020 11:38:24 0 0
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A > £2tn debt
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22/12/2020 11:42:25 0 0
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At a time like this and you have to ask such a question?
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22/12/2020 12:05:06 0 0
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Brainwashing the public in 2 months....................
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22/12/2020 12:16:44 0 0
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To be demonstrably the most incompetent Government of all time.
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22/12/2020 15:03:03 1 0
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Its foot?
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22/12/2020 15:17:33 0 0
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As left the EU on time in January and there have been many concerning the pandemic.
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22/12/2020 16:29:43 0 0
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Managing to fail at everything 100%
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22/12/2020 17:23:51 0 0
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I'll be generous to the government. Name a target they have hit either on time or on budget. Boris might have a decent majority, but his performance to date is sorely testing any goodwill he has left with the electorate.
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22/12/2020 10:26:30 112 28
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Another over-promising, under-delivering, world beating failure by the government.
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22/12/2020 10:33:22 21 47
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I think this government are a load of crap too but repeating the phrase world beating is getting rather childish now!
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22/12/2020 11:22:16 0 5
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There's a pandemic on, everything has slowed down and missed targets.
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22/12/2020 10:26:39 47 10
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Government project missing its target, who'd of thought!
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22/12/2020 20:13:49 0 0
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Don't they always? Seems anything any government undertakes, whatever party, is going to be delayed, probably several times, and over budget, again several times. If it's related to IT, probably full of bugs too.
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jay
22/12/2020 10:26:44 8 5
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if you need a cycle lane or a road closed get tory anything else don't hold your breath
be real to yourself !
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22/12/2020 10:28:08 10 7
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This Government has not met one single deadline.
Why anybody thinks they are doing a good job is inexplicable.
How hard can it be to organise glass fibre?
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22/12/2020 10:32:01 8 9
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Getting the fibre is easy, it’s getting it in the ground and connected up is the problem. Easier to slag off the government from a keyboard
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22/12/2020 14:43:29 0 0
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Hard enough to be beyond your capability as you clearly don't know.

Maybe if they at least employed a few more engineers as consultants or better still made sure some of the minsters and MPs were experienced engineers rather Classics graduates straight into politics.
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22/12/2020 10:29:07 71 4
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This is disappointing news because experience over the past 10 months has demonstrated the economic and social importance of a high speed digital and voice communications network linking up the whole country not just big towns and cities
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22/12/2020 12:06:43 19 2
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We live on a relatively small island, those bidding for 5G licences should have faced massive fines if they failed to connect to the whole of the population, or be forced to allow tariff free roaming to cover areas they failed in.

They were allowed to get away with it with both 3G and 4G; 5G is too important.
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GJ
22/12/2020 10:29:54 11 3
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Government missing a key target - who knew?
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22/12/2020 10:29:58 2 2
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Well, gosh. Who'd have thunk it.

Add it to the list of blatant financial divides.

Also, may I ask how MANY times we taxpayers are expected to pay for it?!
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22/12/2020 10:30:15 66 9
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They should be spending money on this, rather than HS2. Get at least >20Mbps broadband to the whole country, and fibre to most of it. That will benefit the whole country, and cost a lot less than the vanity HS2 project.
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22/12/2020 10:37:24 9 30
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Only in areas where high speed broadband brings a business benefit i.e. allowing people to working from home. Otherwise it’s not a priority, as there are many other tasks for the government to execute to achieve a green economy - HS2 ultra phase and electric bus services.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:41:12 3 11
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We need HS2, 3rd runway at Heathrow, more vessels for the navy, more roads less winging by narrow minded liberals
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22/12/2020 11:41:01 2 2
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What? So you can play games faster?
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Bob
22/12/2020 22:14:05 0 0
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We already have 99% coverage for FTTC, FTTP or Virgin Media.
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22/12/2020 10:30:17 44 4
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"If investors cherry-pick areas of high population, it leaves people in remote rural areas without a hope."

Hmmm...maybe he missed business economics 101.

If you live in the middle of nowhere, don't expect fibre any time soon. It's not economic to run miles of cable to you- especially as they have to be laid in line with so many rules which make it so costly.
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22/12/2020 11:19:01 20 3
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I seem to remember this was a manifesto pledge...
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22/12/2020 11:26:30 4 0
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I live by the coast in Northumberland and have 30Mbps already and most in the village have just signed up to allow open reach to do fibre to the home at 1Gbps.
Not bragging or anything.........:-)
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22/12/2020 11:31:33 3 2
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Don't forget, the last people to be connected to the national grid in the UK was in this century! A very remote spot in Wales if you're interested.

People shoot their mouths off about "promises" without the slightest idea of the practical and economic considerations! It's very childish!
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22/12/2020 11:40:00 2 0
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No offense, but that's what happens when you live in rural areas, it should be possible to get adsl to every home at a reasonable cost, but fibre not unless government pays, although a small group willing to do the work could lay their own cables etc and get much better connections than the average user, its been done in several remote areas, by people who took action themselves
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22/12/2020 11:58:25 2 0
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I live in the middle of nowhere and have 80Mb fibre. They also ran miles of new fibre to reach the village.
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VoR
22/12/2020 12:03:07 3 0
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Live in the middle of nowhere. Just got fttp, at no cost to me besides the monthly contract cost. The whole point of the gov't commitment was to roll out access to less populated areas. As a result, my earnings are taxed in the UK, whereas beforehand, I was forced to work abroad (for the same company) and my earnings were mainly taxed abroad. Or I could have moved to a city just for internet. :(
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22/12/2020 13:35:45 2 0
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"If you live in the middle of nowhere, don't expect fibre any time soon"
I suppose the existing telephone and electricity cables in rural areas just appeared overnight, courtesy of the tooth fairy?
Provide a better service and people will use it. Our village persuaded Gigaclear to install 1GB FTTP over 8 years ago and I don't hear either party complaining they got a bad deal.
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22/12/2020 10:30:31 7 8
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I think dealing with CV19 is rather more important at the moment.

Faster Internet is a first world problem!
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22/12/2020 10:33:38 5 3
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There is no reason why it cannot be done during covid. It's a socially distanced job.
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22/12/2020 10:35:05 1 2
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And what about home workers avoiding Covid ? They need fast, effective broadband. You didn't think that through, did you ?
Great idea, all those BT Openreach engineers should be researching vaccines instead. Idiot. Removed
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22/12/2020 10:31:42 10 8
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This is not Government news it's industry news. Governments don't build fibre networks.
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22/12/2020 10:35:13 9 1
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Did govt. money go into it?
Did the electorate have a share in the decisions?
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22/12/2020 11:08:19 1 0
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Hahahahahah read the article dear
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22/12/2020 10:31:46 4 1
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'Wonderif' you remember all those years ago when they said privatisation would end the wait for a telephone line ?

Not much changed?
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22/12/2020 10:28:08 10 7
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This Government has not met one single deadline.
Why anybody thinks they are doing a good job is inexplicable.
How hard can it be to organise glass fibre?
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22/12/2020 10:32:01 8 9
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Getting the fibre is easy, it’s getting it in the ground and connected up is the problem. Easier to slag off the government from a keyboard
Easy to slag off the government from a keyboard?
Easy to slag off a government that has a zero record of success.
I used to be on a cable gang before mole ploughs, blown in ultra light glass, pre ducted housing estates and mech aids.
It is the will which is missing - oh, and the cash promised before Covid but not delivered by Boris.
He is a loudmouth fraud.
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22/12/2020 10:32:59 40 7
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Government miss target?????

Government couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo!
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:38:11 8 17
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Can you prove that everyone in government could not hit the cow's arse with a banjo, I suspect not
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22/12/2020 10:26:30 112 28
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Another over-promising, under-delivering, world beating failure by the government.
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22/12/2020 10:33:22 21 47
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I think this government are a load of crap too but repeating the phrase world beating is getting rather childish now!
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22/12/2020 11:07:15 7 1
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World beating crapness?
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22/12/2020 12:19:34 1 0
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Maybe not - unless idiots like Williamson are childish
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22/12/2020 12:55:16 0 0
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Can I sell you a boat? One previous owner and virtually no holes.
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22/12/2020 10:33:25 33 8
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Well surely this was obvious after pandering to trump and banning huawei without a plan.
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22/12/2020 10:30:31 7 8
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I think dealing with CV19 is rather more important at the moment.

Faster Internet is a first world problem!
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22/12/2020 10:33:38 5 3
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There is no reason why it cannot be done during covid. It's a socially distanced job.
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22/12/2020 10:35:38 3 0
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No their are restrictions as it’s not a one person job
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22/12/2020 10:33:49 18 0
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And this comes as a surprise to precisely nobody.
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22/12/2020 10:33:49 2 1
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If only someone with some financial backing would get into a deal with Huawei to licence their advanced technology to make British made 5G goods without all the worry of it coming with US security issues or perhaps in reality their systems being more advanced that US ones.
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22/12/2020 10:37:13 7 1
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And before anybody worries about Huawei technology having security holes for the Chinese Government, their systems were checked and passed by British security experts.
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22/12/2020 10:34:06 12 4
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This is not just a target, it is a Boris Target! That means it will never be achieved!
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22/12/2020 10:34:13 4 5
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The government gave the target, its the telecom industry that is going to miss it although it was an impossible one as BT etc haven’t hit their targets for years
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22/12/2020 10:49:06 3 2
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It’s a government target set by Boris not a telecoms industry target. The telecoms firms have said all along it’s unachievable in the timescales without massive funding. BT , Vodafone etc are private companies not a public service.
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22/12/2020 10:34:18 3 0
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Not surprised. Already low expectations from some of your threaders!
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22/12/2020 10:34:28 3 11
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We all knew it was a Tory lie.
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22/12/2020 10:25:49 123 32
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Xmas Quiz

Name a Target this Government has hit?
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22/12/2020 10:34:35 54 6
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Does it have to be a real one or can I claim capacity to test is the same as actually testing? If so I may have an half point answer. Go on, it’s Xmas...
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22/12/2020 10:30:31 7 8
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I think dealing with CV19 is rather more important at the moment.

Faster Internet is a first world problem!
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22/12/2020 10:35:05 1 2
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And what about home workers avoiding Covid ? They need fast, effective broadband. You didn't think that through, did you ?
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22/12/2020 10:31:42 10 8
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This is not Government news it's industry news. Governments don't build fibre networks.
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22/12/2020 10:35:13 9 1
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Did govt. money go into it?
Did the electorate have a share in the decisions?
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22/12/2020 14:06:57 0 0
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Only in the usual time honoured way. Of course we could have organised ourselves to make the decisions, find the money and build the network, but of course as usual we left it to them.
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22/12/2020 10:35:20 17 7
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i need more speed so I can post on FB, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter and of course HYS all while downloading the latest movies and games
What have we become?
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22/12/2020 10:40:00 20 4
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I need more speed to connect and collaborate with my colleagues all over the world. Thank goodness for the internet that many of us can work remotely and continue to contribute to society.
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22/12/2020 10:49:25 9 0
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That might be what you need it for. But some people need it for their jobs. Trying to work from home with slow broadband (which may be shared by a few people) is a nightmare.
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22/12/2020 10:33:38 5 3
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There is no reason why it cannot be done during covid. It's a socially distanced job.
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22/12/2020 10:35:38 3 0
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No their are restrictions as it’s not a one person job
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:36:48 4 5
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What is the point of this article, BBC please report if and when something happens, 'I'm likely to forget something' but I'll get there in the end
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22/12/2020 10:37:03 19 5
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And the Earth is round, the sky is blue, the sun will rise, and out governments will miss their targets.
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22/12/2020 13:35:05 2 0
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technically the sky is not blue..its refraction, and the sun does not rise..it does not move, we move around it.......but you knew that already...point is no government is, or will be perfect
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22/12/2020 10:33:49 2 1
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If only someone with some financial backing would get into a deal with Huawei to licence their advanced technology to make British made 5G goods without all the worry of it coming with US security issues or perhaps in reality their systems being more advanced that US ones.
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22/12/2020 10:37:13 7 1
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And before anybody worries about Huawei technology having security holes for the Chinese Government, their systems were checked and passed by British security experts.
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22/12/2020 10:55:23 2 0
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No they were not, they said they were capable of managing the threat from the issue's that were identified, it's why they said that Huawei kit can be used but not in the core of the network.

Those who work with the kit on a daily basis and work for companies who use them, know what the issues are and how much time and effort has to be put in to mitigate the issues.
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22/12/2020 10:30:15 66 9
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They should be spending money on this, rather than HS2. Get at least >20Mbps broadband to the whole country, and fibre to most of it. That will benefit the whole country, and cost a lot less than the vanity HS2 project.
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22/12/2020 10:37:24 9 30
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Only in areas where high speed broadband brings a business benefit i.e. allowing people to working from home. Otherwise it’s not a priority, as there are many other tasks for the government to execute to achieve a green economy - HS2 ultra phase and electric bus services.
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22/12/2020 11:51:28 1 0
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People working from home are spread across larger areas, no longer concentrated in city centres. To assist business, with better communication, all areas require improved broadband speeds. In many respects it should take priority, as more efficient business helps to produce the money necessary to fund other projects.
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22/12/2020 20:08:11 0 1
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Their may be an argument that given that rail transport numbers are down and home working and internet shopping are up then HS2 should be reprioritised.
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22/12/2020 10:37:39 2 4
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Tory buzzwords and lies in exchange for votes. Same for the banning of petrol and diesel cars in 2030. No one ever learns...
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22/12/2020 10:32:59 40 7
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Government miss target?????

Government couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo!
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:38:11 8 17
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Can you prove that everyone in government could not hit the cow's arse with a banjo, I suspect not
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22/12/2020 11:22:02 2 0
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It would be quite fun to watch them try though.
Suspect the cow wouldn't be in too much danger.
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22/12/2020 12:15:44 0 0
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Ahh but members of their staff can find Durham. Bythe way "this government" is usually accepted to be the cabinet of ministers who continually prove they dont have to ask the rest of parliament in order to bring in and change laws.
All "this government" do is over promise and under achieve, as regularly stated by their own MP's
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22/12/2020 14:03:02 0 0
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I'd like to know how many could recognise a banjo & cow's arse and even if they could, wouldn't try to hit a banjo with a cow's arse. Not that I think the other parties would do significantly better.
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23/12/2020 07:45:41 0 0
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Yes I’m setting the distance
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22/12/2020 10:38:56 53 12
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Can't blame the EU anymore.
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22/12/2020 11:55:00 6 10
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Why not.....we haven't completely left yet.

Still, comforting to know the Chinese will have 6G while we struggle to even get 5G within 5 yrs.
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22/12/2020 15:09:27 0 0
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Some people still blame Thatcher, while others still blame Labour for TSR2. Fewer of them who saw it first hand, though so far easier to spread misinformation. I think some people will be blaming the EU for a long time to come while others will say it was a golden age & the EU never did anything badly, let alone completely wrong. Do we still blame Germans for Hitler or UK Gov for the slave trade?
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22/12/2020 10:39:17 40 8
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That's because we're a backward, out of date, little country. Our entire infrastructure proves that.
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22/12/2020 10:59:12 23 2
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Could not agree more, as anyone who has traveled in the last few years, particularly in Asia, realises.
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22/12/2020 10:35:20 17 7
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i need more speed so I can post on FB, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter and of course HYS all while downloading the latest movies and games
What have we become?
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22/12/2020 10:40:00 20 4
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I need more speed to connect and collaborate with my colleagues all over the world. Thank goodness for the internet that many of us can work remotely and continue to contribute to society.
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22/12/2020 10:54:49 9 3
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You may well need more speed but the vast majority of the UK population don't sit on their backsides at home pretending to work to save the planet. The vast majority sit at home pretending to save the planet on the latest game and then feel the urge to tell the whole planet about it!
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22/12/2020 13:57:31 2 0
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How much have you got? 10Mbps is enough for ordinary office work. You'd need more if you were collaboratively editing a movie over the net, but not very many people are needed to do that and not all of them will want to WFH anyway.
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22/12/2020 10:40:23 17 9
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The Tory way. Promise everything and deliver nothing.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:42:27 9 4
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Corbyn would of done it all and solved world poverty to boot
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YWP
22/12/2020 10:40:23 158 9
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The pandemic has shown that high speed internet is more important than HS2 - I like trains, but the sensible return on investment seems to be in letting those who can, work from home.
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22/12/2020 11:34:52 15 106
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So we waste the billions and I mean billions already spent. Do us a favour go back to sleep. Really people need to think before spouting off.
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22/12/2020 11:57:35 18 1
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Spot on mate. WFH is better for the environment, less cars on the road, better air quality etc. Makes perfect sense to anyone with a brain.
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22/12/2020 12:04:04 8 1
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The government are afraid of "another u-turn" but let's hope that popular opinion will now sway them back into sanity and cancel this ridiculous waste of money.
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22/12/2020 12:08:53 4 10
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Which is fine if you have a none job which is doable from home.
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22/12/2020 12:19:42 2 0
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The pandemic (especially forced office closures) has also created a business case for the communications companies to provide high speed internet in more areas.

Where a home user might not be prepared to pay for connection of FTTP, a home worker is more likely. If they cannot afford it, their employer may well help them out so they ca be productive at home rather than furloughed.
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22/12/2020 12:23:17 4 0
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Absolutely. There is no point throwing good money after bad, it's already been proven to be a white elephant, it needs scrapping NOW.
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22/12/2020 12:26:07 1 8
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No the pandemic has shown us all what mugs most of you are and how paranoid and easily controlled you are. That is what it has shown anyone with any intelligence. Like it does not take much intelligence to realize you do not shut an economy in a country bankrupt, aka UK for this, so called Pandemic. You just do not do that, but the UK did, WHY, because you are ignorant and paranoid. Sorry.
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22/12/2020 12:26:32 0 1
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Surely both HS2 and High Speed Internet are about increasing infrastructure speed and capacity. Both are important.
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22/12/2020 13:52:10 0 0
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Even better a high speed internet built without Chinese routers that have backdoors...
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22/12/2020 17:42:08 1 0
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Yes, the real benefits of "connected" homes and offices has yet to be realised.
The last 9-months have demonstrated how essential communications are and how quickly the need to travel to do many things has declined.
It's highly likely that in a similar future situation, high-speed passenger trains would be a liability.
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22/12/2020 10:40:32 8 6
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No broadband. No trade deal. No balanced budget. Not even the potholes are being repaired.

Lies make Jiminy Fluffer sad.

??
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22/12/2020 10:44:52 3 2
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In that case you must have be bereft when that exit poll results were announced at 10pm on 12th December 2019

LOL
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22/12/2020 10:40:35 34 2
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Got to love the comments on this from people who mostly have no clue what is involved to build a residential fibre network.

I have spoken with people about this and we laughed at the target date and budget for it, because those who actually know about this stuff know that £5Bn and 5 years is not enough money or time.

It doesn't matter whether Huawei were allowed or not it still is not enough!
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22/12/2020 11:00:10 22 5
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Funny how other countries have managed it....
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22/12/2020 12:07:21 3 0
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Deep in rural Spain I had two fiber providers, 600/600 and 300/150, both of these for about €40 a month. Just as I was leaving, Telefonica was cabling up to offer a third option.
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22/12/2020 13:50:11 2 1
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Which "people" was that? Not telecoms experts, obviously.
Although I will concede that the budget should be about 1/3 of the cost of HS2.
It's doable if the will were there and there weren't vested interests in impeding progress. BT has a vast network of copper cable which is paid for and highly profitable, hence it's dragging its feet and over charging.
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22/12/2020 10:30:31 7 8
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I think dealing with CV19 is rather more important at the moment.

Faster Internet is a first world problem!
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Great idea, all those BT Openreach engineers should be researching vaccines instead. Idiot. Removed
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22/12/2020 10:30:15 66 9
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They should be spending money on this, rather than HS2. Get at least >20Mbps broadband to the whole country, and fibre to most of it. That will benefit the whole country, and cost a lot less than the vanity HS2 project.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:41:12 3 11
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We need HS2, 3rd runway at Heathrow, more vessels for the navy, more roads less winging by narrow minded liberals
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22/12/2020 11:20:09 3 1
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We don't need a third runway at Heathrow, we need a whole new airport if we are to regain our place as an international aviation hub,
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22/12/2020 11:21:28 4 2
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no we don,t we need joined up thinking by grown ups and less winging it by permanent schoolboys.
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jay
22/12/2020 10:42:12 4 0
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5g, we still not got fibre here yet ! were still on dial up here ,5g....... more like pie in the sky
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22/12/2020 10:40:23 17 9
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The Tory way. Promise everything and deliver nothing.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:42:27 9 4
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Corbyn would of done it all and solved world poverty to boot
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22/12/2020 10:44:42 8 6
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He couldn't have done any worse than this shower.
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22/12/2020 10:55:39 6 1
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Probably wouldn’t have spent £50bn on a train line no one wants. That £50bn could be spent on many other things.
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22/12/2020 10:44:27 36 1
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Bit like high speed train story really. What about providing universal mobile phone and 4G coverage first! The post office delivers mail everywhere, why isn't 4G and mobile phone coverage universal. 5G is icing on a half-baked cake!
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22/12/2020 10:46:45 26 1
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'Wonderif' you remember all those years ago when they said privatisation would end the wait for a telephone line ?

Not much changed?
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22/12/2020 13:43:11 0 0
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It's easier and cheaper to provide people with what they want and will pay for, than to provide what they need, when they don't think they need it and can't afford it.
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22/12/2020 10:25:49 123 32
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Xmas Quiz

Name a Target this Government has hit?
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:44:40 8 0
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Dart board in House of Commons games room
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22/12/2020 11:33:50 0 0
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You think so? Must have been an Opposition player then, I guess.
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22/12/2020 11:36:53 0 0
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Only because they had a triple sized board ??
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:42:27 9 4
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Corbyn would of done it all and solved world poverty to boot
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22/12/2020 10:44:42 8 6
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He couldn't have done any worse than this shower.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:47:21 6 6
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Get real he still would be arranging a mass meeting and show of hands to vote for a lockdown
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22/12/2020 10:40:32 8 6
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No broadband. No trade deal. No balanced budget. Not even the potholes are being repaired.

Lies make Jiminy Fluffer sad.

??
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22/12/2020 10:44:52 3 2
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In that case you must have be bereft when that exit poll results were announced at 10pm on 12th December 2019

LOL
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22/12/2020 10:45:23 4 14
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Good. There's enough radiation being emitted with WiFi, 4G, Smart energy meters/ phones etc. Give it a rest.
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22/12/2020 10:52:56 8 1
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You do realise that the smaller cells typically used with new 5G deployment results in a reduction of high-power radiation - so 5G has less radiation.

Oh, I see you are a tin-foil-hat wearing anti-vaxxer that spreads disinformation through ignorance.
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22/12/2020 10:25:49 123 32
bbc
Xmas Quiz

Name a Target this Government has hit?
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22/12/2020 10:45:30 8 11
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4th election victory in a row

I believe that was a target
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22/12/2020 11:33:28 2 0
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I think that is more a reflection of the gullibility of the British electorate than the effectiveness of the government. Oh, and the first was only possible because of the Lim Dems.
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22/12/2020 12:00:16 0 0
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They've won one in a row. Whilst they got more seats than the opposition in 2017, it was a hung parliament.
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22/12/2020 10:45:56 10 2
bbc
Nothing new there then, can anyone remember when a Government target was hit (except voting for pay rises or creating a special team to give them pay rises)
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:46:13 12 15
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To many liberals winging about the masts and civil rights stopping progress
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22/12/2020 10:54:19 9 3
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Blame the left for the government cutting funding for something they are committed to?

Yours must be a sarcastic comment
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22/12/2020 11:03:00 3 2
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Liberals? The vast majority of covid conspiracy theories are by the right wing!

Nearly every "5g causes the virus!" post I see it by a pro-Brexit conservative.

It's funny how you guys are such a wreck that you need to blame liberals even for things your own side does. Man it must suck to be right wing and be on the wrong side of every argument. No wonder you guys are always so angry.
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22/12/2020 10:46:24 9 5
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"""UK government 'likely to miss' broadband and 5G targets"""" What you really mean is companies like the continually useless Openreach are not up to the job.
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22/12/2020 10:58:05 6 3
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Agreed. The standard of service provided by Openreach is strongly reminiscent of that we endured under the nationalised GPO (in the "old days") .
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22/12/2020 10:44:27 36 1
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Bit like high speed train story really. What about providing universal mobile phone and 4G coverage first! The post office delivers mail everywhere, why isn't 4G and mobile phone coverage universal. 5G is icing on a half-baked cake!
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22/12/2020 10:46:45 26 1
bbc
'Wonderif' you remember all those years ago when they said privatisation would end the wait for a telephone line ?

Not much changed?
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22/12/2020 11:11:47 2 0
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I do. It is a universal truth that people do what they can get away with, Covid lockdown rules infringement is testament to that and so is the mobile phone network. Perhaps the gas and electricity models should have been used whereby one company lays down and maintains the infrastructure with the service being provided by competing providers- Vodaphone, BT etc.
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22/12/2020 10:44:42 8 6
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He couldn't have done any worse than this shower.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:47:21 6 6
bbc
Get real he still would be arranging a mass meeting and show of hands to vote for a lockdown
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22/12/2020 10:51:43 3 2
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I gather that you support the incumbent shower of liars, incompetents, chancers and spivs.
Make no mistake, I am not and never have been a Corbyn.
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22/12/2020 10:55:57 3 1
bbc
How are you enjoying the latest Tory lockdown?
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22/12/2020 11:10:30 1 2
bbc
Haha the government are the ones that locked down late. Twice. No make that three times
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22/12/2020 10:48:30 3 6
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I think with all the government have had to deal with, missing this target is small dry compared to saving people’s lives and jobs.
People need to get behind the government rather that criticise and recognise these are unprecedented times with no experience to draw on.
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22/12/2020 10:52:54 7 1
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It wouldn’t be so bad if they were saving jobs or lives.
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22/12/2020 10:54:07 4 2
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If Johnson knocked on your door, pushed pins into your eyes and set fire to your house, you would still support him. There is something lacking in democracy when it is reduced to the kind of partisan, unquestioning tribalism associated with following a football team. This Govt has failed - in so many areas. Naming a success in last 10 years is truly difficult. Acknowledge that and change it.
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22/12/2020 11:05:15 4 1
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Stop telling others to "get behind the government" and look at what they're doing to our country, presiding over the second highest death-rate in Europe and the worst performing economy. Along the way they've had to be pushed on everything from PPE to school meals. Time for them to admit they've failed and go.
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22/12/2020 10:34:13 4 5
bbc
The government gave the target, its the telecom industry that is going to miss it although it was an impossible one as BT etc haven’t hit their targets for years
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22/12/2020 10:49:06 3 2
bbc
It’s a government target set by Boris not a telecoms industry target. The telecoms firms have said all along it’s unachievable in the timescales without massive funding. BT , Vodafone etc are private companies not a public service.
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22/12/2020 10:58:48 2 1
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did you read his hys?
The telecom industry is a service providers albeit private and have missed their targets for years and don't like spending money if they can help it.
Do you think it's just for the government to put money in for the SP's to make money on charging for it's use from the infrastructure?
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22/12/2020 10:49:10 4 4
bbc
I see that the BBC have not rectified the fault on this HYS as we still have to refresh a page to get replies and voting updates.

Who at the Beeb thought this new design was better?
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22/12/2020 10:53:28 3 3
bbc
The 14 year-old IT "experts" they employ.
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22/12/2020 13:37:29 0 0
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One of the consultants who also advises the government. LOL

It has provided some improvements, but taken away useful, not necessarily intentional, features of the old system.
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22/12/2020 10:35:20 17 7
bbc
i need more speed so I can post on FB, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter and of course HYS all while downloading the latest movies and games
What have we become?
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22/12/2020 10:49:25 9 0
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That might be what you need it for. But some people need it for their jobs. Trying to work from home with slow broadband (which may be shared by a few people) is a nightmare.
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22/12/2020 10:49:29 15 3
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When has the Gov ever hit a target? Apart from Christmas Sales 2020
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22/12/2020 10:50:08 6 10
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Like they don't have other, more important, things on their minds at the moment such as Covid-19 and Brexit negotiations.
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22/12/2020 11:00:55 6 0
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My god it's almost as if the Government is many different departments each doing different things! Shocking I know!
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22/12/2020 10:50:15 4 7
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Seeing as how you can stream off 4G, I'm just not sure what substantial benefits we're going to get from 5G? I just feel 5G is being pushed by companies profit margins rather than public interest...
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22/12/2020 10:53:16 3 5
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5G is for Big Brother. I'm happy with 4G as well
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22/12/2020 11:00:25 4 0
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Because file sizes are increasing and so download speeds need to be faster. By your failed logic why do we need 50mbs+ broadband when 400kbs was doing just fine in 2005.
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22/12/2020 12:21:27 1 0
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One of the reasons for 5G is user density in cities. Capacity for 4G running out. 5G needed to enable growth of mobile devices in cities.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:47:21 6 6
bbc
Get real he still would be arranging a mass meeting and show of hands to vote for a lockdown
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22/12/2020 10:51:43 3 2
bbc
I gather that you support the incumbent shower of liars, incompetents, chancers and spivs.
Make no mistake, I am not and never have been a Corbyn.
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22/12/2020 10:51:49 133 3
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Whenever I feel stupid, I just remember that there are some people out there that believe 5G causes Covid-19.
Both were developed in China, so there's that. Removed
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22/12/2020 10:58:58 17 0
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And if that was true, a lot of the country would not have been affected by Covid-19.
But then when have conspiracy theories ever made sense.
Unless of course they are pushed by governments and then lapped up by some compliant media companies.
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22/12/2020 12:02:04 0 14
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As someone who's seriously considering the possibility, I suggest you look up 'radiation induced pneumonia' and the 5G rollout map of the world (and the coincidental prevalence of covid-symptoms and 5G).
obviously everyone in brussels , switzerland etc etc is really stupid as they refuse to roll out 5g due to safety concerns. spare head educate yourself a good place to start is arthur firstenbergs book the invisible rainbow. Removed
My comment was removed by a BBC 'moderator' which read:

"Both were developed in China"

How is this considered 'off topic'? It's a direct reply to this thread. It is also true. Is this just a case of censoring things you don't like?
Removed
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22/12/2020 16:36:26 1 0
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and some of these have the vote!
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22/12/2020 16:57:27 1 0
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Whenever I feel stupid, I just remember there are people paid to moderate comments on this forum.
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22/12/2020 10:48:30 3 6
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I think with all the government have had to deal with, missing this target is small dry compared to saving people’s lives and jobs.
People need to get behind the government rather that criticise and recognise these are unprecedented times with no experience to draw on.
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22/12/2020 10:52:54 7 1
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It wouldn’t be so bad if they were saving jobs or lives.
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22/12/2020 10:45:23 4 14
bbc
Good. There's enough radiation being emitted with WiFi, 4G, Smart energy meters/ phones etc. Give it a rest.
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22/12/2020 10:52:56 8 1
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You do realise that the smaller cells typically used with new 5G deployment results in a reduction of high-power radiation - so 5G has less radiation.

Oh, I see you are a tin-foil-hat wearing anti-vaxxer that spreads disinformation through ignorance.
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22/12/2020 10:59:11 2 0
bbc
Exactly the amount of "Radiation" produced by a 5G mast or device is less than a 4G device.

This is what makes me laugh when I have people come up to me asking if I am working on installing "5G Corona Death Masts" the stupidity of some people makes me wonder if the film "Idiocracy" really is what our future looks like!
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22/12/2020 10:50:15 4 7
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Seeing as how you can stream off 4G, I'm just not sure what substantial benefits we're going to get from 5G? I just feel 5G is being pushed by companies profit margins rather than public interest...
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22/12/2020 10:53:16 3 5
bbc
5G is for Big Brother. I'm happy with 4G as well
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22/12/2020 10:49:10 4 4
bbc
I see that the BBC have not rectified the fault on this HYS as we still have to refresh a page to get replies and voting updates.

Who at the Beeb thought this new design was better?
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22/12/2020 10:53:28 3 3
bbc
The 14 year-old IT "experts" they employ.
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22/12/2020 10:51:49 133 3
bbc
Whenever I feel stupid, I just remember that there are some people out there that believe 5G causes Covid-19.
Both were developed in China, so there's that. Removed
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22/12/2020 10:59:21 30 0
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The hell are you on about. 5g was developed as a joint project between AT&T (USA), BT (UK), and Europe.

Like seriously why can't you conspiracy idiots even get the basic information right.
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22/12/2020 11:01:57 12 0
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when covid appeared around the country 5g wasn't turned on
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22/12/2020 11:20:42 11 0
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5G was not developed in China... it was just a Chinese company that the UK wanted to use to build our new network. 5G originated in the USA and South Korea...
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22/12/2020 11:32:05 5 0
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I'm going to assume you're joking (it is hard to tell on HYS sometimes).
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22/12/2020 12:18:24 3 2
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Please get yourself sterilised....
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22/12/2020 13:20:16 1 0
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Whoosh!

This is HHYS - Humourless HYS.
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22/12/2020 10:48:39 29 8
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Hardly surprising as they've missed every other target! It's time for Boris to resign!
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22/12/2020 10:55:36 5 20
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Only in your dreams.
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22/12/2020 10:50:13 5 2
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Isn't national roaming a priority, then those on 3 and EE will finally get a 3G/4G signal?
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22/12/2020 10:56:23 5 2
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'Wonderif' anyone tell us of a privatisation that worked to the electorate advatage?

'Wonderif' you remember all those years ago when they said privatisation would end the wait for a telephone line ?

Not much changed?
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22/12/2020 10:48:30 3 6
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I think with all the government have had to deal with, missing this target is small dry compared to saving people’s lives and jobs.
People need to get behind the government rather that criticise and recognise these are unprecedented times with no experience to draw on.
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22/12/2020 10:54:07 4 2
bbc
If Johnson knocked on your door, pushed pins into your eyes and set fire to your house, you would still support him. There is something lacking in democracy when it is reduced to the kind of partisan, unquestioning tribalism associated with following a football team. This Govt has failed - in so many areas. Naming a success in last 10 years is truly difficult. Acknowledge that and change it.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:46:13 12 15
bbc
To many liberals winging about the masts and civil rights stopping progress
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22/12/2020 10:54:19 9 3
bbc
Blame the left for the government cutting funding for something they are committed to?

Yours must be a sarcastic comment
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22/12/2020 10:40:00 20 4
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I need more speed to connect and collaborate with my colleagues all over the world. Thank goodness for the internet that many of us can work remotely and continue to contribute to society.
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22/12/2020 10:54:49 9 3
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You may well need more speed but the vast majority of the UK population don't sit on their backsides at home pretending to work to save the planet. The vast majority sit at home pretending to save the planet on the latest game and then feel the urge to tell the whole planet about it!
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22/12/2020 11:09:35 2 1
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Shock horror! There are more people in the world than just you!
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QED
22/12/2020 11:15:06 0 1
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Speak for yourself!
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22/12/2020 10:37:13 7 1
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And before anybody worries about Huawei technology having security holes for the Chinese Government, their systems were checked and passed by British security experts.
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22/12/2020 10:55:23 2 0
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No they were not, they said they were capable of managing the threat from the issue's that were identified, it's why they said that Huawei kit can be used but not in the core of the network.

Those who work with the kit on a daily basis and work for companies who use them, know what the issues are and how much time and effort has to be put in to mitigate the issues.
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22/12/2020 15:08:34 0 0
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The tests on Huawei equipment was from 2 published items and one one radio interview. The challenges of any integrated hardware and software communications system are the same whichever kit you use. As was uncovered and published, US equipment has been doctored on export. As Governments continually find, it's best to produce your own central comms equipment yourself and have it constantly reviewed
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22/12/2020 10:48:39 29 8
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Hardly surprising as they've missed every other target! It's time for Boris to resign!
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22/12/2020 10:55:36 5 20
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Only in your dreams.
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:42:27 9 4
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Corbyn would of done it all and solved world poverty to boot
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22/12/2020 10:55:39 6 1
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Probably wouldn’t have spent £50bn on a train line no one wants. That £50bn could be spent on many other things.
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22/12/2020 11:04:56 1 0
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no it couldn't owing to the nature of how the money is funded
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IJB
22/12/2020 10:47:21 6 6
bbc
Get real he still would be arranging a mass meeting and show of hands to vote for a lockdown
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22/12/2020 10:55:57 3 1
bbc
How are you enjoying the latest Tory lockdown?
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22/12/2020 10:56:06 5 2
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5G is nothing more than a huge marketing drive to get you using the next/latest products, in realty you gain a download of a film in a matter of seconds but so what?
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22/12/2020 13:12:05 1 0
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No it's an attempt to wring more use out of a limited frequency spectrum for the least possible cost. To fund it, they have to market it in a way that consumers can appreciate and will pay for.
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22/12/2020 10:50:13 5 2
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Isn't national roaming a priority, then those on 3 and EE will finally get a 3G/4G signal?
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22/12/2020 10:56:23 5 2
bbc
'Wonderif' anyone tell us of a privatisation that worked to the electorate advatage?

'Wonderif' you remember all those years ago when they said privatisation would end the wait for a telephone line ?

Not much changed?
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22/12/2020 13:18:12 0 0
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It seemed like a good idea at the time when extra capital was so desperately needed. Selling the family silver is always a sign that things are bad. The money tree didn't exist back then, but someone said they had these five magic beans...
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22/12/2020 10:56:33 8 2
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Whats new. Every target this government sets is missed or changed. Talk about a turnaround government.they are totally useless. Never known such a bad mob as this lot.Worst I have ever seen in 74years.
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22/12/2020 10:56:41 76 5
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The fact that some people in this country really believe that 5g is dangerous is a shocking indication of our education system. Like holy hell it's up there with flat earth.

Oh and if anyone reading this is a 5g conspiracy nutjob I just want to remind you that South Korea has had 5g for years and is perfectly fine. In fact sunlight gives off more radiation than 5g does. Morons.
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22/12/2020 11:20:21 40 3
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Absolutely, and expecting the public to understand the difference between ionising and non-ionising radiation is a but like asking them to be fluent in Sanskrit. 5G is just another part of the damn RF spectrum! It is no more special than the other parts of the spectrum we've been using globally for decades. But then, never let the facts get in the way of conspiracy theory, eh?
who is the moron really Araxmas. ???? It says something when many places including Brussels & whole Of Switzerland refuse to roll out 5g due to safety concerns. I suggest you read the book by Arthur Firstenberg - The invisible Rainbow as it is "Like holy hell" actually you who needs a descent education. Removed
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22/12/2020 15:00:25 0 0
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It won't have been "for years", at best 3 years; that's when the standards were first agreed and probably still not finalised and probably won't be until 6G standards are close to being agreed.
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22/12/2020 20:05:57 0 0
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Same old - when I was in school over 40 years ago in every subject you were taught essentially nothing more than facts like the german word for whatever, how to solve quadratic equations and so on. Not one subject taught anything remotely like critical thinking, or even thinking at all, it was mostly down to memory. Plus ca change...
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22/12/2020 20:35:18 1 2
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When you have a mob in your pocket, you receive twice the internationally legal safe amount of radiation. Compared to 20 years ago, young adults are are 8-9 times more likely to succumb to bowel cancer. Non-ionising radiation at low doses is a clinically approved cancer therapy, proving that the ionising/non-ionising distinction is scientific bunk. All the above are mainstream, peer-reviewed facts
Name me one target they haven't missed.
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22/12/2020 10:56:52 5 2
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5G targets would have been achievable if not for the Trump/USA urged decision and sanctions against Huawei and is a price the UK is paying along with extra costs for it's desire to contain China's economic growth and not challenge America's dominance.
Mind you, I am more than happy with 4G and more annoyed when bandwidths are removed from Freeview. Maybe soon no Freeview HD channels?
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22/12/2020 10:57:12 9 2
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This government misses every target it sets!
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22/12/2020 10:32:01 8 9
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Getting the fibre is easy, it’s getting it in the ground and connected up is the problem. Easier to slag off the government from a keyboard
Easy to slag off the government from a keyboard?
Easy to slag off a government that has a zero record of success.
I used to be on a cable gang before mole ploughs, blown in ultra light glass, pre ducted housing estates and mech aids.
It is the will which is missing - oh, and the cash promised before Covid but not delivered by Boris.
He is a loudmouth fraud.
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22/12/2020 10:57:59 14 3
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UK has been playing catch-up for the past 30+ years - watching the front runners getting ever smaller in the distance. Smart Meters - won't be in my lifetime - they need min. 4G connectivity. Fibre to the house - never. 5G 25 years away. Now with Bumbling Boris we aren't even playing at catch up - just stuck in the mud on our way to the stone age. Oven ready, track and trace - ha ha - what a joke.
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22/12/2020 10:46:24 9 5
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"""UK government 'likely to miss' broadband and 5G targets"""" What you really mean is companies like the continually useless Openreach are not up to the job.
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22/12/2020 10:58:05 6 3
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Agreed. The standard of service provided by Openreach is strongly reminiscent of that we endured under the nationalised GPO (in the "old days") .
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22/12/2020 11:06:31 5 0
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Taking account of the technology of the times, I don't remember ever having a problem.
Furthermore, if you had a query, you could 'phone up and somebody - a real person(!) - would help you.
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22/12/2020 13:20:07 0 0
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I accidentally hit thumbs up, then thought that from my experience of the GPO, British Telecom, BT, and now Openbreach (mispelling intentional) for commercial and domestic products since the 1960. Then one had to wait a few months for a phone line. Now Openbreach typically take even longer for the modern equivalent (fibre), 6 months for an unserved premises is now considered a quick result.
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22/12/2020 10:58:20 11 5
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Like they don't have other, more important, things on their minds at the moment such as Covid-19 and Brexit negotiations.
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Brexit - Tory induced. Covid - Tory mismanaged. Quite obvious they would use both as an excuse for their failings in all other areas of Govt. And by the way, Brexit and Covid have not been around for TEN YEARS. The Tory Govt has though.
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22/12/2020 10:58:24 0 1
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I'm still on 3G.......
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22/12/2020 10:59:52 2 0
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lucky person
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22/12/2020 10:49:06 3 2
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It’s a government target set by Boris not a telecoms industry target. The telecoms firms have said all along it’s unachievable in the timescales without massive funding. BT , Vodafone etc are private companies not a public service.
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22/12/2020 10:58:48 2 1
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did you read his hys?
The telecom industry is a service providers albeit private and have missed their targets for years and don't like spending money if they can help it.
Do you think it's just for the government to put money in for the SP's to make money on charging for it's use from the infrastructure?
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22/12/2020 10:51:49 133 3
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Whenever I feel stupid, I just remember that there are some people out there that believe 5G causes Covid-19.
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22/12/2020 10:58:58 17 0
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And if that was true, a lot of the country would not have been affected by Covid-19.
But then when have conspiracy theories ever made sense.
Unless of course they are pushed by governments and then lapped up by some compliant media companies.
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22/12/2020 10:52:56 8 1
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You do realise that the smaller cells typically used with new 5G deployment results in a reduction of high-power radiation - so 5G has less radiation.

Oh, I see you are a tin-foil-hat wearing anti-vaxxer that spreads disinformation through ignorance.
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22/12/2020 10:59:11 2 0
bbc
Exactly the amount of "Radiation" produced by a 5G mast or device is less than a 4G device.

This is what makes me laugh when I have people come up to me asking if I am working on installing "5G Corona Death Masts" the stupidity of some people makes me wonder if the film "Idiocracy" really is what our future looks like!
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22/12/2020 10:39:17 40 8
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That's because we're a backward, out of date, little country. Our entire infrastructure proves that.
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22/12/2020 10:59:12 23 2
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Could not agree more, as anyone who has traveled in the last few years, particularly in Asia, realises.
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22/12/2020 12:41:48 2 2
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That's the problem. Little Englanders who voted for Brexit have next to zero experience of how the some parts of the world are racing ahead while they sit on their sofas and dream of some long vanished empire.
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22/12/2020 10:59:21 1 1
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The only way to get fibre to 100% of the country is to legislate with a fixed compliance date. If the date is missed then companies should be fined an amount sufficient to really hurt them.
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22/12/2020 11:04:02 3 0
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Like the idea! Quite sensible in that it is a business norm clause?

Regretably there is probably some influence/lobbying in parliament that says it will never happen?
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22/12/2020 12:55:47 0 0
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Yes, they'll really be able to find the extra money to put it it right after fighting the court cases and paying those fines! Next you'll be saying they can fund it out of the CEO bonus! Get real. It really will cost a LOT of money and consumers who say they need it don't want to pay any more than they already do. As wise Northerners know only too well: "you don't get owt for nowt."
Both were developed in China, so there's that. Removed
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22/12/2020 10:59:21 30 0
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The hell are you on about. 5g was developed as a joint project between AT&T (USA), BT (UK), and Europe.

Like seriously why can't you conspiracy idiots even get the basic information right.
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22/12/2020 11:16:19 20 0
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When has rational thought and evidence ever troubled a conspiracy theorist?
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22/12/2020 11:20:02 0 12
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And you get your facts from main stream media....pot calling kettle me thinks, but I'll double check that!
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22/12/2020 11:56:14 8 0
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If they could get the basic information right they wouldn't be conspiracy theorists.
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22/12/2020 10:59:36 1 0
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I have no real knowledge of any technology related to broadband or 5G. This is not necessarily a bad thing. I am able to use my tablet, and have a very old Samsung mini mobile phone that works fine. I'm able to keep up to date with family and friends, watch and hear news, order goods. Very little else (other than businesses needs) in the greater scheme of things, is too important right now.
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22/12/2020 10:58:24 0 1
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I'm still on 3G.......
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22/12/2020 10:59:52 2 0
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lucky person