Covid: Case for recalling MPs over emergency, says Sir Keir Starmer
21/12/2020 | news | politics | 1,120
The Labour leader also urges the PM to give daily updates, amid cross party calls for Parliament's return.
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21/12/2020 12:58:25 55 48
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100% correct. It’s time for Johnson to face the consequences of his weak leadership and to submit to scrutiny. No more soundbites, hiding and Shilling. Time to actually lead or move aside to let a better option steer the U.K. through this crisis
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21/12/2020 13:01:02 36 9
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Despite the ongoing pandemic and the EU trade negotiations it seems that our MPs are still taking their traditional long holiday break
A pity the opposition didn’t raise this a week or so ago before they all left Parliament
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21/12/2020 13:01:34 0 1
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The deputy pm?
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21/12/2020 13:38:58 3 0
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With you on most of that, but who can he stand aside for ... ? The 1922 Commitee no longer have teeth and Starmer and his clowns are too busy kneeling, fawning & abstaining to achieve anything - so we're stuck with this circus !
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21/12/2020 13:43:32 3 0
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Can we stop using this imported word 'Shilling' I don't mind the English langauge mutating if you pardon the word but stop shoving this word in our faces as if the latest thing to use.
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21/12/2020 12:59:20 24 18
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Great idea. Let's have even more people travelling across the country.
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21/12/2020 13:02:29 29 5
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Online. As per the past few months. Doh!
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21/12/2020 14:05:13 1 0
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Called Zoom.....duhhhh
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21/12/2020 13:00:24 22 26
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Starmer talks sense. I wish I could say the same for Bozo and his incompetent acolytes.
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21/12/2020 13:02:47 10 9
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I agree the situation is a farce but being the leader of the opposition is the easiest job in the world. Only 4 years to go and we will get a chance to vote again. Wont be Starmer v Boris though. Boris will be gone soon, no doubt about it.
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21/12/2020 13:09:56 0 2
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You may think so. He is very busy squashing legitimate debate within his party, he's done so much damage, and you hardly ever hear anything from Angela Rayner, a decent person, I bet she's scared she will be dumped next.
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Hex
21/12/2020 13:00:59 275 52
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What are MP's going to do? Shout order at each other and get nothing done as usual?
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21/12/2020 13:10:10 135 124
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The Speaker shouts "order", not the other MPs. At least understand the process that you think you can satirise.
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21/12/2020 13:27:38 10 2
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If they don’t need to be at work now, it’s fair to say their services are surplus to requirements
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21/12/2020 13:41:16 7 17
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Most can’t go back because they’re probably already on holiday somewhere with their friends and family. Possibly in Durham.
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21/12/2020 13:46:52 8 2
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No. They shout last orders before they rush to the commons bar.
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21/12/2020 13:47:24 20 9
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Starmer - what a joker! Could be worse though - Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell and the Momentum pantomime cast could be in charge.
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21/12/2020 14:23:45 2 1
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Of course parliament must debate this. After all, they did such sterling work with their swift handling of Brexit after the referendum.

The problem the UK has is that it is politicians managing the emergency and not the scientists. If they paid the slightest bit of attention or even acted in a timely manner than we could be in a better position now.

I include politicians from ALL parties here.
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21/12/2020 15:54:25 0 0
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So, you are happy with a dictorarship then? Because laws being made by a cabal of the executive with no scruinty from parlimaent, which are the soverighn body in the UK means that OUR representatives have to scrutinise the executive and ensures that the executive provides clear answers to questions. I prefer democracy to dictat.
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21/12/2020 13:01:01 28 23
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Why does the fence-sitter want to recall MPs?
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21/12/2020 13:16:17 7 2
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Not too far for the Islington elite to pop down to parliament....
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21/12/2020 13:27:54 1 0
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So they can get on with their jobs and be held accountable to the public.
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21/12/2020 13:18:38 4 0
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So he can spout his usual trash purporting to have a clue and then abstain. And he calls for Decisive leadership Oh the Irony!!!
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21/12/2020 13:41:45 1 1
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Because we are shutting things down and have no deal for Brexit or plans to deal with Covid. This means a debate needs to be had by our elected mps- that were voted in last election. They sit in parliament and pass laws. That is our system. There are online resources on parliamentary procedure you could read. Starmer is a lawyer so would have read up on this already.
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21/12/2020 12:58:25 55 48
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100% correct. It’s time for Johnson to face the consequences of his weak leadership and to submit to scrutiny. No more soundbites, hiding and Shilling. Time to actually lead or move aside to let a better option steer the U.K. through this crisis
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21/12/2020 13:01:02 36 9
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Despite the ongoing pandemic and the EU trade negotiations it seems that our MPs are still taking their traditional long holiday break
A pity the opposition didn’t raise this a week or so ago before they all left Parliament
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21/12/2020 13:01:30 70 17
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How about the Welsh Assembly have a debate on their heavy-handed approach by chuckle brothers Drakeford and Gething? No? Didn't think so
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21/12/2020 13:15:44 38 0
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All the useless assembly ever does is debate, next year they’ll have a pay rise and 33 extra hot air dryers to boot
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21/12/2020 13:34:17 4 3
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I can't help thinking that Drakeford rather enjoys putting restrictions on people.

Boris hates it, he's pro liberty, as I reckon are most of the conservative cabinet.
21/12/2020 22:29:27 0 0
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Would they be Stammers chums by any chance
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21/12/2020 13:01:30 407 160
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Why? Just so Labour can get some more PR insults and attacks in and then ABSTAIN from voting
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21/12/2020 13:03:41 324 98
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They have to abstain.

They can't make any decisions in case it's the wrong one, 50/50 aren't good enough odds for Labour.

Besides. They can't say 'we told you so' if they don't abstain.
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21/12/2020 13:33:27 34 37
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Tory HQ Botts are so busy on here. Logical and rational voters on the other hand, would like some clarity about jobs, health and border/supply issues. Not wait for last minute chaos and disaster announcements due to lack of planning.
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21/12/2020 13:57:59 28 18
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The whole party are chickens. Would they do any better NO as they do not know how to control their own.
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21/12/2020 14:03:05 23 10
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So you don't think the government should be there, doing their jobs at a time of national crisis?
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21/12/2020 14:03:17 7 18
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By abstaining they let Boris win. if they'd voted against him he'd have lost because of his own MPs. If you can't understand that I'd maybe advise you stop commenting.
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21/12/2020 14:12:54 10 13
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Johnson insults himself and all of us every time he speaks. Starmer needs do nothing.
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21/12/2020 15:13:59 4 4
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Your ignorance of the democratic process is quite scary
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21/12/2020 15:19:46 4 2
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yeah lets blame labour! You Tories are so disconnected from reality
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21/12/2020 15:39:23 0 1
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Even thats more effective than Boris et al...
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21/12/2020 15:43:20 0 1
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Labour are as bad if not worse than this pointless Tory party. We are in a dire situation with headless chickens pretending to be ministers.
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21/12/2020 15:47:14 1 0
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Jacob .... is that you?
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21/12/2020 16:20:59 0 0
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It's what you wanted, english person. You hurl insults and attacks at everyone else... isn't it time that you took what's coming to you and face up to your lies and contempt? Just a thought. BTW.. that's what you call "taking back control" - Your fault, not mine... suffer and cry for your folly old man.
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21/12/2020 16:39:10 1 0
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Abstentions which allowed the Government's Bills to go through because of the lack of any alternative because rebel Conservative Party MPs otherwise could bring the Bills down. They were registering their disquiet over some parts of the Bills. This should be able to be understood by people, it is a part of Political strategy & has as long as I can remember it (since 1970)
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21/12/2020 16:44:39 0 0
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No, the Government need to be held accountable for the decisions they are making. It has been done before in situations where it is necessary. If we get a Trade Deal with the EU, it would need to be done anyway, so the deal could be ratified & put in place before the end of the year. If there is a No Deal scenario, he needs to be held to account for that. This is essential Governance.
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21/12/2020 12:58:25 55 48
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100% correct. It’s time for Johnson to face the consequences of his weak leadership and to submit to scrutiny. No more soundbites, hiding and Shilling. Time to actually lead or move aside to let a better option steer the U.K. through this crisis
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21/12/2020 13:01:34 0 1
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The deputy pm?
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21/12/2020 13:28:52 3 2
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If the deputy pm is capable of explaining the mess, put forward a coherent plan and galvanise support without silly snipes and jokes, then yes let’s do that today. It’s clear Johnson is not up to leadership. It’s a reality we have to accept and ask him to leave
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21/12/2020 13:01:41 17 19
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And these coming from someone knowing he will never have to make a decision that will effect the country. Loud mouth standing at the side of the road. Move along please.
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21/12/2020 13:08:23 1 7
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Agree. If Matt Hancock is Door Matt, then KS is Place Mat. I'm hoping for Lisa Nandy.
What for? Just to allow Sir Kneeling Starmer to spout hot air? Removed
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21/12/2020 13:07:19 12 10
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That's a good one.
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21/12/2020 13:16:11 3 2
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So the Tory mps opposed to lockdown can have their say on the new lockdown. The reason it was announced after recess was so they wouldn’t be able to complain
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21/12/2020 13:18:48 8 6
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Starmer is on top of his brief, unlike the lazy, hapless Johnson. He’s been offering clear advice for months. Unfortunately Johnson is only interested in humouring the lunatic libertarian fringe in his own party. We are all suffering.
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21/12/2020 13:02:10 19 16
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AS IF!

They'll all be out grouse hunting whilst us plebs are stuck at home.
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21/12/2020 12:59:20 24 18
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Great idea. Let's have even more people travelling across the country.
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21/12/2020 13:02:29 29 5
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Online. As per the past few months. Doh!
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21/12/2020 13:02:35 14 19
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This crisis is out of control. Boris must now form a cross party Covid cabinet. If he won't then he MUST go. It might be that in order to contain things it will be necessary to impose marshall law. We cannot keep on trying to save the economy and education until things are brought back under control.
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21/12/2020 13:05:39 11 4
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Great idea - more management by committee - the exact opposite of what we need
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21/12/2020 13:07:03 2 0
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Not even martial law will solve anything. Viruses don't respect the rule of law.
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21/12/2020 13:07:11 2 3
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This is actually a good idea so it will never happen.
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:17:30 3 0
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There is a new strain hence harder measures. We need to ride it out with a sensible public. No need to even consider a change of government, and certainly no social anarchy.
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21/12/2020 13:02:38 21 19
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I think every member of this government actually still struggles to wipe their own backside.
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21/12/2020 13:38:24 1 5
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Boris has never attempted it.
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21/12/2020 13:00:24 22 26
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Starmer talks sense. I wish I could say the same for Bozo and his incompetent acolytes.
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21/12/2020 13:02:47 10 9
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I agree the situation is a farce but being the leader of the opposition is the easiest job in the world. Only 4 years to go and we will get a chance to vote again. Wont be Starmer v Boris though. Boris will be gone soon, no doubt about it.
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21/12/2020 13:10:34 0 2
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Won't be Starmer either if there's any justice.
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21/12/2020 13:03:17 14 18
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Don't worry Kier. No need for that.
Boris will announce an indefinite brexit extension later.
Then he can really focus on what's important. His Xmas knees up :)
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21/12/2020 13:33:51 0 0
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*Keir.
Just because the beeb gets it wrong..................
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21/12/2020 13:01:30 407 160
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Why? Just so Labour can get some more PR insults and attacks in and then ABSTAIN from voting
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21/12/2020 13:03:41 324 98
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They have to abstain.

They can't make any decisions in case it's the wrong one, 50/50 aren't good enough odds for Labour.

Besides. They can't say 'we told you so' if they don't abstain.
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21/12/2020 13:33:16 31 10
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Abstaining also means that when they start door-knocking to garner support in the run up to an election; they can say whatever they person they are speaking to wants to hear.
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21/12/2020 13:58:34 12 9
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Here, here
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21/12/2020 14:01:14 29 25
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As opposed to Boris who just lies most if not all of the time
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21/12/2020 15:40:12 1 1
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Funny how its labours fault eh?
here boy, here good tory..
annnd SIIT !!!
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21/12/2020 15:49:25 1 0
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No they can vote against and say we told you so as well. Doesn't matter if you will lose, you vote the right way.
If you abstain you are just supporting the Tories.
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21/12/2020 16:56:57 0 1
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Just sit back and watch them tear each other to shreds whilst awarding their mates eye watering contracts. There will be plenty of time for surcharging exMPs after this mess is over. The votes for homes scandal in the 80s comes to mind.
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PWG
21/12/2020 13:03:46 18 19
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Nobody but KRS wants to hear what he has to say.
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21/12/2020 13:06:39 12 11
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Too flipping right. Get off the stage Starmer.
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21/12/2020 13:17:42 2 0
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You right wingers just love dictatorships with no opposition.
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21/12/2020 13:04:06 70 40
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Work from home?

We have no democracy when new laws limiting peoples freedom are not even discussed.
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21/12/2020 13:19:13 29 27
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Does Tier 4 even exist legally russell? We had a vote on tiers 1, 2 and 3 but have Hancock and Johnson got the power to add tiers as they wish?
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21/12/2020 14:41:34 0 0
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Sure you can do whatever you want rather than taking this authoritarian stance-go ahead and burn your mask and walk the streets-good luck
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21/12/2020 13:04:15 196 35
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WHY? It won't make any difference. Covid is something we're going to have to live with, whether we get ill or not. NOTHING will defeat a virus that is able to mutate so easily - just look at the flu or the common cold.
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21/12/2020 13:30:58 58 20
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We have new variants of the flu jab each year because the virus mutates All viruses mutate and it hasn't done it so easily Viruses don't want to kill people because it wants to spread the disease that's why in 1919 the Spanish flu was so dealy to start with but then mutated because it didn't want to kill everybody as it wouldn't have anyone to infect
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21/12/2020 13:38:02 13 9
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Of course it won't make any difference.

It's purely rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic so that Labour can pretend to the more gullible among the voting public that things would somehow be better were Labour governing the country right now.
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21/12/2020 14:13:30 3 1
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Wait till the big one hits.
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21/12/2020 14:36:54 6 1
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Because if some people get it they are going to die and you can cut down the chances of that happening by using face masks, social distancing and getting vaccinated. Note that the Flu outbreak this year is very, very low. Why? because people are wearing face masks, social distancing and getting vaccinated. BTW All viruses mutate easily, its what they do.
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21/12/2020 16:06:27 0 0
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It's called 'holding the government to account'. Starmer has been well ahead of Johnson on this one. We can't 'defeat' the virus but we can manage the consequences better and more consistently. As recently as this week Johnson trying to deflect reality again at PMQs.
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21/12/2020 13:04:30 20 21
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Captain Hindsight at it again. This is the opposition leader that was going to support the government in times of crisis - now relentlessly snipping at the fringes for any possible political gain. So statesmanlike!!!
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21/12/2020 13:07:26 19 7
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Starmer called for lockdown weeks before Johnson caved in, the Captain Hindsight remark has long sailed.
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21/12/2020 13:11:16 6 0
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The leader of the opposition opposes by definition.
The prime minister of the country leads.... oh!
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21/12/2020 13:14:10 6 1
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Stop repeating Tory lies. Starmer has been asking for tougher restrictions for months. He’s also been asking for a functioning test, trace and isolate system for months - the failure to action this is at the heart of this incompetent government’s mistakes. The WHO advised this back in March, when Johnson will still skipping COBRA meetings.
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21/12/2020 13:14:39 7 1
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If only the tories followed Captain Hindsight we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The problem isn’t the opposition the problem is the party in government with a 80 seat majority that are unable to do anything.

Pm Q’s last week Johnson ridiculed Kier of wanting to cancel Xmas and that it would be inhumane...

Now Johnson has been forced to cancel Xmas because of his failure and you want to blame Kier!
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:19:47 0 5
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Whichever labour numpty they interview on tv or on the radio their only resonse is slagging off the government and having nothing positive to add.
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21/12/2020 13:04:36 11 13
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Why recall? I want decisions now not time consuming posturing and delaying tactics by politicians wanting their turn in the limelight.
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21/12/2020 13:10:41 5 0
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But they are technically on hols from parliament so can’t make decisions until recalled.
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21/12/2020 13:02:35 14 19
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This crisis is out of control. Boris must now form a cross party Covid cabinet. If he won't then he MUST go. It might be that in order to contain things it will be necessary to impose marshall law. We cannot keep on trying to save the economy and education until things are brought back under control.
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21/12/2020 13:05:39 11 4
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Great idea - more management by committee - the exact opposite of what we need
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21/12/2020 13:05:40 149 20
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I thought all but non essential travel was banned in or out of tier 4? MPs need to follow their own rules and WORK FROM HOME! Anyway, it is all out of control so MPs yacking about it isnt going to help.
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21/12/2020 13:48:29 45 6
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You are still allowed to travel for work, if you can't work from home.
You can drive a bus through that loophole - which a lot of people have.
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21/12/2020 13:52:16 9 2
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Starmer and Labour desperate to show the electorate that they are relevant.

How about Starmer coming out and criticising the abysmal performance of the Labour administration in Wales?
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21/12/2020 14:04:32 1 0
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you should also start a gofundme for them to be able to claim extra expenses. because, they won't have access to the free westminster restaurant

harsh times, indeed.
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21/12/2020 15:08:50 0 1
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I thought travelling to work was ok ? or do you know something I don't ?
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21/12/2020 13:06:05 14 15
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Then the Commons can vote and Labour can abstain - again
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21/12/2020 13:09:18 10 8
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The only reason we are in this mess is because the tories were slow to lockdown and reluctant to do it properly. Don’t blame Labour for not voting for the Tory lockdown when Labour suggested a shorter and sharper lockdown in October.

Own it.
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PWG
21/12/2020 13:03:46 18 19
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Nobody but KRS wants to hear what he has to say.
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21/12/2020 13:06:39 12 11
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Too flipping right. Get off the stage Starmer.
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21/12/2020 13:06:47 39 27
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Total collapse of the country. Did not think I will ever see in my lifetime Britons considering or emigrating to Eastern Europe. Not since the great wave of Scots arrived in the Kingdom of Poland. Amazing how history and fortunes can change. Overnight.
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21/12/2020 13:10:32 37 15
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Are you the grumpy Grinch for this Christmas?
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21/12/2020 13:19:05 1 0
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I'm sure the Polish, Hungarian and Russian people would welcome Brits with open arms, as they have a lot in common.

As for the rest of us, we're off to Dubai.
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21/12/2020 14:23:14 1 1
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Considering emigrating to Eastern Europe? None of them will it's all just hot air!
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21/12/2020 15:22:03 1 0
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Total collapse because of Gen snowflake and there precious feelings.
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21/12/2020 13:02:35 14 19
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This crisis is out of control. Boris must now form a cross party Covid cabinet. If he won't then he MUST go. It might be that in order to contain things it will be necessary to impose marshall law. We cannot keep on trying to save the economy and education until things are brought back under control.
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21/12/2020 13:07:03 2 0
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Not even martial law will solve anything. Viruses don't respect the rule of law.
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21/12/2020 13:02:35 14 19
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This crisis is out of control. Boris must now form a cross party Covid cabinet. If he won't then he MUST go. It might be that in order to contain things it will be necessary to impose marshall law. We cannot keep on trying to save the economy and education until things are brought back under control.
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21/12/2020 13:07:11 2 3
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This is actually a good idea so it will never happen.
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21/12/2020 13:07:14 19 16
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Classic mealy mouthed lawyer's non-statement. When any opposition politician uses the words "I think there is a case to look at whether we should [do X]", what they actually mean is "I don't have the courage of my convictions to say we actually should [do X] but I'm going to hint at it, so that I'm covered either way."
Can you imagine a world where the LoTO doesn't always sit on the fence?
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21/12/2020 13:16:51 6 3
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Better than a sacked journalists failed opinion.
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21/12/2020 13:07:14 72 60
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You can almost hear the panic at Tory hq...more shills and deflection to pretend it’s all ok.

Johnson has gone alone all year, at times outright lied and not put anything up for scrutiny. This isn’t democracy. He needs to explain why he has failed so bad and resign or step up. More fridge hiding, name calling and slogans won’t help now
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21/12/2020 13:14:42 25 18
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Name calong! Precisely w h at you 're doing.
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21/12/2020 13:34:57 5 1
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I think you are wrong in your assumptions. The problem is not with government and would be the same with whatever government was in.
The Problem is that PEOPLE , whatever creed or race they are don’t do what is asked on them, and even you can’t disagree with that.
If the ones who haven’t followed the rules had in fact followed them we would be in a much better place than we are now.
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21/12/2020 13:38:02 2 0
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Shills is a North Amercian word why are we importing this it might be contaminated?
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21/12/2020 14:13:22 3 1
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Have you ever considered going into the fridge? Might help you to cool off.
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21/12/2020 14:53:15 2 1
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The PM is a disgrace.
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21/12/2020 17:28:17 0 1
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The population should panic we might get a Labour Government next time round.
What for? Just to allow Sir Kneeling Starmer to spout hot air? Removed
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21/12/2020 13:07:19 12 10
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That's a good one.
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21/12/2020 13:04:30 20 21
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Captain Hindsight at it again. This is the opposition leader that was going to support the government in times of crisis - now relentlessly snipping at the fringes for any possible political gain. So statesmanlike!!!
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21/12/2020 13:07:26 19 7
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Starmer called for lockdown weeks before Johnson caved in, the Captain Hindsight remark has long sailed.
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21/12/2020 13:14:19 1 2
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Starmer was the one proposing a 2 week firebreak - look how well that worked in Wales.
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21/12/2020 13:16:52 0 2
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No Hindsight called for 2 week circuit breaker and ordered Drakeford to impose on Wales. It failed spectacularly and Wales now worst infected and NHS in dire straights. So Starmer sniping needs to stop. He has no better idea than anybody else and in reality less than most. Bojo is not exactly good but Hindsight I suspect would be worse.
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PWG
21/12/2020 13:08:02 18 13
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Kier stay at home! Don't you get it?
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21/12/2020 13:37:17 0 0
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*Keir
Just because the beeb get it wrong..........
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21/12/2020 13:01:41 17 19
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And these coming from someone knowing he will never have to make a decision that will effect the country. Loud mouth standing at the side of the road. Move along please.
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21/12/2020 13:08:23 1 7
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Agree. If Matt Hancock is Door Matt, then KS is Place Mat. I'm hoping for Lisa Nandy.
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21/12/2020 13:06:05 14 15
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Then the Commons can vote and Labour can abstain - again
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21/12/2020 13:09:18 10 8
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The only reason we are in this mess is because the tories were slow to lockdown and reluctant to do it properly. Don’t blame Labour for not voting for the Tory lockdown when Labour suggested a shorter and sharper lockdown in October.

Own it.
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MKJ
21/12/2020 13:15:13 0 0
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Short lockdown/ snap lockdown worked well in Wales. NOT
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21/12/2020 13:15:37 0 1
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Rubbish lockdown came at the right time.
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21/12/2020 13:20:55 0 0
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Absolute toss. Hindsight preferred Drakeford to impose Circuit breaker in Wales. What a spectacular catastrophe that has proven to be. Wales worst infection rates. Wales worst performing NHS. That’s Labour under captain Hindsight for you.
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21/12/2020 13:09:44 11 6
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Will that not spread the rona even more?
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21/12/2020 13:11:58 7 2
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No, it could be done virtually.
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21/12/2020 13:00:24 22 26
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Starmer talks sense. I wish I could say the same for Bozo and his incompetent acolytes.
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21/12/2020 13:09:56 0 2
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You may think so. He is very busy squashing legitimate debate within his party, he's done so much damage, and you hardly ever hear anything from Angela Rayner, a decent person, I bet she's scared she will be dumped next.
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Hex
21/12/2020 13:00:59 275 52
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What are MP's going to do? Shout order at each other and get nothing done as usual?
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21/12/2020 13:10:10 135 124
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The Speaker shouts "order", not the other MPs. At least understand the process that you think you can satirise.
There's a process? Well I never :)
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VoR
21/12/2020 13:58:34 3 0
bbc
Boo! *Chunter chunter*
312
21/12/2020 13:53:42 7 1
bbc
Yawn. The hours must just fly by with you.
323
21/12/2020 14:00:38 9 1
bbc
Oh please get a life
394
21/12/2020 14:11:47 1 1
bbc
Conversancy with process never hampered Johnson making a comment , I think you should give way to Hex.
486
21/12/2020 14:37:36 3 0
bbc
Quite correct. The Speaker shouts 'order!' without actually enforcing anything of the kind. The MPs role is to behave like unruly schoolboys at a pubic school, jeering and interrupting each other, only pausing to think up another witty barb that wilfully misinterprets their opponent's speech or avoids a direct answer. It's the fundamental principle of our great democracy!
519
21/12/2020 14:51:05 0 0
bbc
Somebodies tired over tired. Parliament spotter
650
21/12/2020 15:24:32 2 0
bbc
The speaker is actually an MP
690
21/12/2020 15:33:03 0 0
bbc
You aint watched the House debates on TV recently then have you. Labour seem to have got very good at shouting and the SNP have got very good at throwing their teddy out the pram
729
21/12/2020 15:50:54 0 0
bbc
the speaker is a MP and he shouts at other MPs for order so the point is valid
807
21/12/2020 16:20:44 0 0
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I do wonder what alternative reality version of the House of Commons you've subjected yourself to. So, let's quibble about terms instead of understanding what the OP means: they may not 'shout' at each other but they certainly practise low level 'braying'.
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21/12/2020 13:06:47 39 27
bbc
Total collapse of the country. Did not think I will ever see in my lifetime Britons considering or emigrating to Eastern Europe. Not since the great wave of Scots arrived in the Kingdom of Poland. Amazing how history and fortunes can change. Overnight.
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21/12/2020 13:10:32 37 15
bbc
Are you the grumpy Grinch for this Christmas?
501
21/12/2020 14:43:29 0 1
bbc
Keep the stiff upper lip there old boy!
16
21/12/2020 13:02:47 10 9
bbc
I agree the situation is a farce but being the leader of the opposition is the easiest job in the world. Only 4 years to go and we will get a chance to vote again. Wont be Starmer v Boris though. Boris will be gone soon, no doubt about it.
42
21/12/2020 13:10:34 0 2
bbc
Won't be Starmer either if there's any justice.
23
21/12/2020 13:04:36 11 13
bbc
Why recall? I want decisions now not time consuming posturing and delaying tactics by politicians wanting their turn in the limelight.
43
21/12/2020 13:10:41 5 0
bbc
But they are technically on hols from parliament so can’t make decisions until recalled.
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CJ
21/12/2020 13:10:51 8 6
bbc
They only want a recall to try get something through for Brexit if we leave without a deal. They don’t care about the virus only about themselves.
22
21/12/2020 13:04:30 20 21
bbc
Captain Hindsight at it again. This is the opposition leader that was going to support the government in times of crisis - now relentlessly snipping at the fringes for any possible political gain. So statesmanlike!!!
45
21/12/2020 13:11:16 6 0
bbc
The leader of the opposition opposes by definition.
The prime minister of the country leads.... oh!
46
21/12/2020 13:11:24 11 20
bbc
Seems like Kier Starmer is practically running the country at the moment. Good thing someone is because Boris and his cabinet has been useless. We need strong leadership more than ever and Boris clearly doesn't have what it takes.
54
21/12/2020 13:13:44 9 2
bbc
Starmer running the country !

Things will never get that bad....

He was useless as DPP
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21/12/2020 13:14:02 2 4
bbc
It is about time Starmer stopped pretending he knows what he is doing, hopeless!
143
21/12/2020 13:15:35 1 2
bbc
All he's running is his mouth off, captain hindsight
192
21/12/2020 13:37:51 0 0
bbc
*Keir
Just because the beeb get it wrong..........
38
21/12/2020 13:09:44 11 6
bbc
Will that not spread the rona even more?
47
21/12/2020 13:11:58 7 2
bbc
No, it could be done virtually.
48
21/12/2020 13:11:58 0 0
bbc
Amazing that after 9 months, they still haven’t figured out how to work from home.
47
21/12/2020 13:11:58 7 2
bbc
No, it could be done virtually.
48
21/12/2020 13:11:58 0 0
bbc
Amazing that after 9 months, they still haven’t figured out how to work from home.
76
21/12/2020 13:17:06 0 0
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They have - it was originally Rees-Mogg who wouldn't allow it - remember the 'Mogg Conga' with all the M.P.'s spread out around the block?

He was eventually forced to allow remote participation.
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21/12/2020 13:12:34 190 90
bbc
No government would get everything right in such a crisis.

Sick of Kier Starmer.

When he won the leadership of the Labour party I was relieved to get rid of Corbyn.

Now all he can do is criticise. Try to pick holes in what the conservatives are doing. Its wearing. I'm fed up with him.
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21/12/2020 13:18:13 103 58
bbc
But that is absolutely his job, someone has to lead that role to ensure another side of the debate is visible to the public, if it wasn't there would be more concern about government overreach. It's an important part of democracy wether you agree with it or not.
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21/12/2020 13:21:23 5 6
bbc
Agree but you would think at least they would get somethings right.
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21/12/2020 13:21:57 20 12
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I’m fed up with being told everything’s fine when it’s not.
I’m fed up of being in lockdown because the government are failing but you keep ignoring the large amounts of tax payers money being handed over to Johnson and Hancock’s chums for failed projects.

This is making the hearses bridge look a good investment
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21/12/2020 13:26:24 18 6
bbc
It's clear what the government's plan is:

At the time: "Now's not the time for criticism!...Don't play politics"
Afterwards: "I can't remember Captain Hindsight raising these problems at the time...Labour would have done the exact same."

As leader of the opposition, it's his job to hold the government to account. It's like asking what David Cameron did during the 2008 financial crash.
196
21/12/2020 13:38:16 3 0
bbc
*Keir
Just because the beeb get it wrong..........
219
21/12/2020 13:41:19 10 5
bbc
There's a hell of a lot to criticise. He's not responsible for anyone dying or the trashed economy and livelihoods ruined. But hey, let's not blame the guilty party eh?
232
21/12/2020 13:44:05 6 7
bbc
Opposition exists. GET OVER IT.
319
21/12/2020 13:59:42 6 2
bbc
Boris: Keir Starmer wants to ruin christmas.

Boris a short while later: Does exactly what KS was suggesting should have been done.

If Boris could actually stop playing politics for just two seconds and show some leadership then maybe the UK would be in a better position
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VoR
21/12/2020 14:05:35 1 1
bbc
It's not criticising to say "What is the strategy" for various things, such as coming out of lockdowns. There absolutely should be one and the government has been unable to lay one out.

Criticism is appropriate in a lot of circumstances. We've seen what happens in the US (and many dictatorships) when people start arguing that criticism is unhelpful.
384
21/12/2020 14:09:58 2 0
bbc
That’s a bit rich the Tories did spend 2 terms blaming Labour in the name of austerity. Sadly that is the way of the world these days everyone looks to blame
391
21/12/2020 14:10:52 2 0
bbc
He is the Harry Enfield character, "Only me".

Everything he does encapsulated by the phrase "Now I do not believe you wanted to do that".
435
21/12/2020 14:22:44 2 0
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Exactly right. It the early days of his leadership he came across quite well. Now all we get is political games to try and appear relevant and it is a massive turn off for anyone that does not blindly support Labour no matter what
492
21/12/2020 14:39:27 0 2
bbc
Shame-if he was a little more effective we would be able to see just how bad this government is-by any standards it will go down in history as one of the most incompetent-hopefully British (if there is any Britain left after Brexit disaster unfolding) politics will learn the lessons of this terrible era since Cameron bowed to holding a referendum
565
21/12/2020 15:04:29 1 0
bbc
well said........ no point moaning about everything without a solution.
568
21/12/2020 15:05:18 3 0
bbc
Your not the only one, Starmers a disgrace harping from the sidelines to score political points in a pandemic!
741
21/12/2020 15:56:07 0 0
bbc
So, you are happy with a dictorarship then? Because laws being made by a cabal of the executive with no scruinty from parliament, which are the soverighn body in the UK means that OUR representatives have to scrutinise the executive and ensures that the executive provides clear answers to questions. The job of the oppostion to it scutinise and gold the government to account.
811
21/12/2020 16:22:08 0 0
bbc
You have my sympathies. However, many of us or more fed up with Boris Johnson who is leading our Government (allegedly).
841
21/12/2020 16:29:59 0 0
bbc
You lack critical skills. 'Everything right' - no. Better than this mob - certainly.
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JB
21/12/2020 16:48:03 0 0
bbc
But it would be a good start if they didn’t get quite do much wrong.
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21/12/2020 17:04:31 0 0
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I too was hopeful when Keir Starmer became Labour leader . I thought that at last there would be an effective opposition . So very disappointed. He is weak in his leadership and always knows best in hindsight. Doesn't come up with any original alternatives. We need a strong , confident guttsy Labour leader.Keir Starmer falls well short of that I'm afraid.
954
21/12/2020 17:19:57 0 0
bbc
He is another Corbyn but unlike him Starmer will keep his left wing ideas to himself until elected. He saw what happened to Corbyn by being honest
21/12/2020 22:01:27 0 0
bbc
Sick of Kier Starmer?

We're sick of boris (he's not worth pressing shift for the capital letter of his name), and many are sick/dead because of him.
50
21/12/2020 13:12:43 166 42
bbc
So send all the MPs into zone 4 - Starmer at his absolute best
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21/12/2020 13:16:35 40 126
bbc
WORST case is we lose a few MPs..... so what? Hold a by-election..... 50,000+ brits are already dead of this disease largely because the govt has moved so slowly.
Idiot at its best, it will be done virtualy. Removed
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21/12/2020 13:20:25 14 2
bbc
We have this thing called the internet and computers. Do keep up. The house has been very quiet for months now as majority are at home.
336
VoR
21/12/2020 14:02:48 5 2
bbc
Recalling parliament doesn't have to mean physically gathering them together. Although Jacob RM seems to be trying to make it that way.
342
21/12/2020 14:03:34 3 9
bbc
His worse is still 100 times better than Boris the Clowns best day.
359
21/12/2020 14:05:20 0 2
bbc
couldn't think of a better place for them.
742
21/12/2020 15:57:44 0 0
bbc
Why do they need to come back in person when with some organisation this can be done remotely........if the rest of us can learn how then why not Parliament?
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MKJ
21/12/2020 13:12:52 114 41
bbc
Never trust a lawyer.
Especially one who let Saville off the hook Removed
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21/12/2020 13:19:47 19 2
bbc
Or a journalist, especially a cabinet full of journalists.

Are you also frustrated that the news of new lockdowns is always leaked to journalists to the public before the government can make announcements? Is that they way the public should be told about changes to public policy?
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21/12/2020 13:38:55 3 4
bbc
What is it you do? Whatever it is, by your logic, none of you can be trusted.
603
21/12/2020 15:13:25 3 3
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And you trust BJ?
856
21/12/2020 16:35:29 1 0
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Never trust a HYS comment
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21/12/2020 13:13:36 7 4
bbc
These are very serious times, remember the government has a thumping majority of 80 on 43.6% of the public vote.

A wider approach is required is this time of multiple crises that could see irreversible harm to the UK.
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21/12/2020 13:47:20 2 0
bbc
And the percentage means what. Very few Govts have the popular vote. It would be good to have a wider discussion can be had but the opposition don't have viable plans just try to out do the Govt on what has been spending on this crisis
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PWG
21/12/2020 13:13:42 8 9
bbc
The only purpose that would serve is his own pursuit of power. Even more shameless than Boris.
46
21/12/2020 13:11:24 11 20
bbc
Seems like Kier Starmer is practically running the country at the moment. Good thing someone is because Boris and his cabinet has been useless. We need strong leadership more than ever and Boris clearly doesn't have what it takes.
54
21/12/2020 13:13:44 9 2
bbc
Starmer running the country !

Things will never get that bad....

He was useless as DPP
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21/12/2020 13:13:59 5 7
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Well this is a taste of things to come. No deal will mean shortages. The UK is a small player on the global arena. Only foolish people would want to snob your best trading partners. But you get what you wish for
46
21/12/2020 13:11:24 11 20
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Seems like Kier Starmer is practically running the country at the moment. Good thing someone is because Boris and his cabinet has been useless. We need strong leadership more than ever and Boris clearly doesn't have what it takes.
56
21/12/2020 13:14:02 2 4
bbc
It is about time Starmer stopped pretending he knows what he is doing, hopeless!
22
21/12/2020 13:04:30 20 21
bbc
Captain Hindsight at it again. This is the opposition leader that was going to support the government in times of crisis - now relentlessly snipping at the fringes for any possible political gain. So statesmanlike!!!
57
21/12/2020 13:14:10 6 1
bbc
Stop repeating Tory lies. Starmer has been asking for tougher restrictions for months. He’s also been asking for a functioning test, trace and isolate system for months - the failure to action this is at the heart of this incompetent government’s mistakes. The WHO advised this back in March, when Johnson will still skipping COBRA meetings.
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:14:13 84 45
bbc
All Starmer and the rest of his cronies do is slag off the government. So no need to resume a slagfest.
Slugfest? Let's not be hasty here old boy :)
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21/12/2020 13:18:23 5 6
bbc
Why would you support a government failing to protect its people?
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21/12/2020 15:58:11 3 1
bbc
So, you are happy with a dictorarship then? Because laws being made by a cabal of the executive with no scruinty from parliament, which are the soverighn body in the UK means that OUR representatives have to scrutinise the executive and ensures that the executive provides clear answers to questions. I prefer democracy to dictat.
867
21/12/2020 16:37:19 1 0
bbc
No opposition allowed in Brexit Britain.
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21/12/2020 13:14:13 11 10
bbc
Boris is the new Nero and Brexit is the new burning of Rome. But Boris is so useless cannot imagine him playing the fiddle other than when he is trying to con us.
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21/12/2020 13:26:59 1 2
bbc
Nero, lol. He didn't fiddle while Rome burned. The benefit of a classical education.

Personally I couldn't care less about middle class suffering a shortage of French Wine and Cheese.
34
21/12/2020 13:07:26 19 7
bbc
Starmer called for lockdown weeks before Johnson caved in, the Captain Hindsight remark has long sailed.
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21/12/2020 13:14:19 1 2
bbc
Starmer was the one proposing a 2 week firebreak - look how well that worked in Wales.
22
21/12/2020 13:04:30 20 21
bbc
Captain Hindsight at it again. This is the opposition leader that was going to support the government in times of crisis - now relentlessly snipping at the fringes for any possible political gain. So statesmanlike!!!
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21/12/2020 13:14:39 7 1
bbc
If only the tories followed Captain Hindsight we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The problem isn’t the opposition the problem is the party in government with a 80 seat majority that are unable to do anything.

Pm Q’s last week Johnson ridiculed Kier of wanting to cancel Xmas and that it would be inhumane...

Now Johnson has been forced to cancel Xmas because of his failure and you want to blame Kier!
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21/12/2020 13:07:14 72 60
bbc
You can almost hear the panic at Tory hq...more shills and deflection to pretend it’s all ok.

Johnson has gone alone all year, at times outright lied and not put anything up for scrutiny. This isn’t democracy. He needs to explain why he has failed so bad and resign or step up. More fridge hiding, name calling and slogans won’t help now
62
21/12/2020 13:14:42 25 18
bbc
Name calong! Precisely w h at you 're doing.
114
21/12/2020 13:23:44 5 5
bbc
Could you try that again in English please.
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21/12/2020 13:27:09 9 4
bbc
I haven’t called him any names, I have pointed out that he promises the world and delivers a mess. He may be proud of his work but the country don’t think so. He’s lost t he dressing room so it’s time to step up or move aside. Even his backbenchers are saying this
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Pso
21/12/2020 13:14:46 9 2
bbc
If the mutation is easier to transmit and has been around since Sept then it is all round Europe by now.

Worth noting that it is not proven to be faster transmission, this has just been extrapolated from data and produced by Neil Ferguson so bound to be a wild over estimate.

Thanks again to Matt H for emotional incontinence weeping and shouting about things being out of control!
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21/12/2020 13:17:59 16 3
bbc
I rather agree. We KNOW its in the Netherlands, Austria and Australia already. Plus I suspect the spread is more to do with London being Tier 2 and too many people having ten pints with their Scotch egg.
88
21/12/2020 13:19:03 1 2
bbc
There is no evidence of it being more rampant. Look at the science not the gossip.
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21/12/2020 13:14:59 243 67
bbc
Government are damned if they do and damned if they don't, there are no "good" decisions with COVID. Detractors will detract and supporters will support no matter the decisions. It's a shame that opposition parties are all scoring the political points where they can in this. No party, or person can divine where the good decisions are in this pandemic.
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21/12/2020 13:22:58 134 141
bbc
Really? Nobody doubts the difficulty facing government, but they have been slow in coming to decisions, communications have been dire, etc. (the list of failings is a long one). The opposition parties are there to hold the government to account and whilst they could tone it down a bit, the current situation demands scrutiny.
172
21/12/2020 13:34:51 8 16
bbc
Most Tory mps are appalled at the way Boris is handling this and many that want parliament to decide.
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21/12/2020 13:39:23 14 17
bbc
The government has consistently made bad decisions, mostly by gambling that things wouldn’t turn out so bad because the UK is different to everywhere else, despite evidence to the contrary. So your assertion is incorrect.
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21/12/2020 13:58:42 11 8
bbc
Perhaps not, but at this moment leadership is required and that means making some decisions and sticking to them. The worst possible output from any government in this time of crisis is "we don't know what to do". They might not be saying that out loud, but these constant position changes and inconsistency even between cabinet members is killing people and businesses
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VoR
21/12/2020 14:01:34 5 5
bbc
However, the government has tried to frame this as balancing the health of the economy against medical health.

In doing so, they've taken the position that the economy would be less healthy if a very strict lockdown was put into place for a limited period. Evidence suggests the opposite, and that watering down countermeasures actually inflicts more economic pain, and for longer.
355
21/12/2020 14:04:51 3 4
bbc
thanks Carrie
412
21/12/2020 14:14:06 3 4
bbc
Bizarre comment
540
21/12/2020 14:57:31 1 1
bbc
100% right couldn’t have put it better myself
561
21/12/2020 15:02:59 0 1
bbc
governments are also informed by the incumbent civil service members who don't get voted out or indeed IN.....
any government of any persuasion in the UK relies on those administrative staff to feed them data or indeed manage the purchasing situation for the NHS/exams moderation / virus rates across the UK..... so if they are given incorrect or late data...... well...
629
21/12/2020 15:18:41 0 3
bbc
Not really... carry on as normal and if you don't want covid stay at home all your life, no one is forcing you to leave your home.
Snowflakes out there need to realise the government can not save everyone.
717
21/12/2020 15:50:08 0 0
bbc
Then please explain why some countries are handling this better than others ..... and the UK is at the bottom of the class.

Effective Govt can make a difference - look at NZ.

Sadly Spaffer is more worried about the backstabbers on the Tory seats behind him than the welfare of the people of the UK
746
21/12/2020 15:59:13 0 0
bbc
You are right. But saving lives/deaths should not be conflated with democracy. On that basis any hostile foreign power may as well walk in as to resist could cause more deaths than now to defend our democracy. We now live in a despot state, with all those shouting for democracy over Brexit gone quiet, as if micro managing peoples is somehow less important because of a pandemic
787
21/12/2020 16:13:17 0 0
bbc
Not really true though: it can be managed through to the point where the vaccine is effective across the population but Johnson's lot have not been managing well through fear of being 'unpopular' (ho, ho, ho)!
825
21/12/2020 16:25:57 0 0
bbc
Regardless of the colour of the Government, its handling of COVID has been poor, lacked rigour, consistency and transparency. The fact that most people accept the rules as needed is tempered by the frustration of individuals and businesses on the constant flip flopping of policies. They also lack empathy for the lonely and the impact on the young which they will regret in time.
845
21/12/2020 16:32:05 1 0
bbc
When we have a PM who scores points by suggesting the all the leader of the opposition really wants to do is cancel Christmas 5 days before the buffoon does exactly that, it's hard to understand how you think everyone is is trying to score points but, as you say, supporters will support no matter the decisions
853
21/12/2020 16:34:27 1 0
bbc
maybe if Johnson had listened to the experts eight weeks ago and lockdown the country totally instead of saying christmas is on to score political points we would not be in the mess we're in now
890
21/12/2020 16:47:15 0 0
bbc
Well, they are not just "scoring political points". Quite a number of the opposition's useful suggestions for following the evidence much more quickly have been rebuffed or even ridiculed by Bojo, but then adopted in U-turns.

Oppositions are there to constructively challenge government and by and large they have done that.
22/12/2020 10:39:02 0 0
bbc
? Maybe not trashing NHS would help ? I am not an expert of course - LOL.
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21/12/2020 13:09:18 10 8
bbc
The only reason we are in this mess is because the tories were slow to lockdown and reluctant to do it properly. Don’t blame Labour for not voting for the Tory lockdown when Labour suggested a shorter and sharper lockdown in October.

Own it.
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MKJ
21/12/2020 13:15:13 0 0
bbc
Short lockdown/ snap lockdown worked well in Wales. NOT
66
21/12/2020 13:15:36 10 8
bbc
I can't believe how many Tory boys think rather than deal with two all mighty emergencies the govt should go home and get pi**ed over Xmas. As the past few months have shown they don't all have to go into Parliament to have parliament sit. Nor is it beyond the wit of even a Brexiteer to send cars for them minimising the risk of "tier 4" (a risk 20m brits are already living in!)
37
21/12/2020 13:09:18 10 8
bbc
The only reason we are in this mess is because the tories were slow to lockdown and reluctant to do it properly. Don’t blame Labour for not voting for the Tory lockdown when Labour suggested a shorter and sharper lockdown in October.

Own it.
67
21/12/2020 13:15:37 0 1
bbc
Rubbish lockdown came at the right time.
7
21/12/2020 13:01:30 70 17
bbc
How about the Welsh Assembly have a debate on their heavy-handed approach by chuckle brothers Drakeford and Gething? No? Didn't think so
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21/12/2020 13:15:44 38 0
bbc
All the useless assembly ever does is debate, next year they’ll have a pay rise and 33 extra hot air dryers to boot
69
21/12/2020 13:16:10 12 8
bbc
Pretty Bloody obvious that Parliament should get back to it !
84
21/12/2020 13:18:21 6 2
bbc
MP’s working over Christmas !

Good god, never heard anything like it.....

They struggle with the concept of work at the best of times
What for? Just to allow Sir Kneeling Starmer to spout hot air? Removed
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21/12/2020 13:16:11 3 2
bbc
So the Tory mps opposed to lockdown can have their say on the new lockdown. The reason it was announced after recess was so they wouldn’t be able to complain
5
21/12/2020 13:01:01 28 23
bbc
Why does the fence-sitter want to recall MPs?
71
21/12/2020 13:16:17 7 2
bbc
Not too far for the Islington elite to pop down to parliament....
50
21/12/2020 13:12:43 166 42
bbc
So send all the MPs into zone 4 - Starmer at his absolute best
72
21/12/2020 13:16:35 40 126
bbc
WORST case is we lose a few MPs..... so what? Hold a by-election..... 50,000+ brits are already dead of this disease largely because the govt has moved so slowly.
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21/12/2020 13:36:03 7 4
bbc
They were criticised when they locked down 'too late' but when we did lockdown we didn't have the infection rates of france, spain and Italy when they locked down Should they have locked down even earlier when they reached UK levels?
303
21/12/2020 13:58:07 6 6
bbc
That’s a stupid comment, it’s the virus that’s killing people, or are you suggesting Boris is personally responsible for event fatality?
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21/12/2020 15:08:09 1 0
bbc
I can't believe you posted that. /shame
712
21/12/2020 15:48:52 2 1
bbc
Don't be silly Peter, people are dead because they were infected, not because of the action or inaction of the government.
73
21/12/2020 13:16:47 5 11
bbc
It must be recalled. Take back control from Boris.
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21/12/2020 13:07:14 19 16
bbc
Classic mealy mouthed lawyer's non-statement. When any opposition politician uses the words "I think there is a case to look at whether we should [do X]", what they actually mean is "I don't have the courage of my convictions to say we actually should [do X] but I'm going to hint at it, so that I'm covered either way."
Can you imagine a world where the LoTO doesn't always sit on the fence?
74
21/12/2020 13:16:51 6 3
bbc
Better than a sacked journalists failed opinion.
75
21/12/2020 13:16:59 125 52
bbc
So, you have a rampant virus circulating around London, and Starmer wants to bring together all MPs at its epicentre. Genius. Even Boris wouldn't dream up that gem.
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21/12/2020 13:19:41 82 26
bbc
They met via zoom during first lockdown. You do realise the MPs don't all have to sit in Parliament for parliament to be recalled don't you? What Starmer wants is for all the MPs to do their job and lead not sit at home enjoying Xmas.
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21/12/2020 13:22:44 14 1
bbc
A recall of parliament of parliament does not involve all 650 MPs being in the chamber they have been zooming for months. Indeed many dream that their workplaces were so well socially distanced as the House of Commons.
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21/12/2020 13:41:09 5 2
bbc
You may not of heard of this newish technology the internet.
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21/12/2020 13:44:38 4 0
bbc
His pal Rees-Mogg did that for him by insisting the MPs be be physically in parliament to vote. Do keep up.
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21/12/2020 16:01:04 4 1
bbc
So, you are happy with a dictorarship then? Because laws being made by a cabal of the executive with no scruinty from parlimaent, which are the soverighn body in the UK means that OUR representatives have to scrutinise the executive and ensures that the executive provides clear answers to questions. I prefer democracy to dictat.
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21/12/2020 13:11:58 0 0
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Amazing that after 9 months, they still haven’t figured out how to work from home.
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21/12/2020 13:17:06 0 0
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They have - it was originally Rees-Mogg who wouldn't allow it - remember the 'Mogg Conga' with all the M.P.'s spread out around the block?

He was eventually forced to allow remote participation.
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21/12/2020 13:10:10 135 124
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The Speaker shouts "order", not the other MPs. At least understand the process that you think you can satirise.
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21/12/2020 13:17:10 9 2
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There's a process? Well I never :)
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21/12/2020 13:02:35 14 19
bbc
This crisis is out of control. Boris must now form a cross party Covid cabinet. If he won't then he MUST go. It might be that in order to contain things it will be necessary to impose marshall law. We cannot keep on trying to save the economy and education until things are brought back under control.
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:17:30 3 0
bbc
There is a new strain hence harder measures. We need to ride it out with a sensible public. No need to even consider a change of government, and certainly no social anarchy.
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PWG
21/12/2020 13:03:46 18 19
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Nobody but KRS wants to hear what he has to say.
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21/12/2020 13:17:42 2 0
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You right wingers just love dictatorships with no opposition.
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21/12/2020 13:17:56 170 53
bbc
It must be great being leader of the opposition/SNP/Lib Dems etc. You get paid the same as all the other MP's (Cabinet & PM do get extra) and ALL you have to do is criticise what the Govt do. What a FANTASTIC job! No thought required!
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21/12/2020 13:20:17 78 34
bbc
They are the opposition. Where is the testing of the majority party if there is no opposition?
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:21:19 12 14
bbc
And no thoughts needed, just slag off the government
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21/12/2020 13:39:52 7 2
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Do not worry the Conservatives will soon get their turn.
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21/12/2020 13:46:50 14 5
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Are you saying that the government should not be open to criticism? How very totalitarian.
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VoR
21/12/2020 14:03:55 7 3
bbc
And yet, that's not all he does. He has offered constructive suggestions and support for stricter measures.
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21/12/2020 14:04:26 8 4
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As opposed to Boris who has not thought process past being a clown.
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YWP
21/12/2020 14:47:28 5 2
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We badly, bay need to educate people about what happens in parliament. Opposition don't just oppose, there's many cross party parliamentary bodies that do great work in scrutinising the government and the civil service.
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21/12/2020 14:53:48 1 5
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"No thought required" - well Kier is the man for that job!
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21/12/2020 15:49:59 2 0
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'No thought required' - not unlike some folks here...
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21/12/2020 15:54:59 2 0
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So, you are happy with a dictorarship then? Because laws being made by a cabal of the executive with no scruinty from parlimaent, which are the soverighn body in the UK means that OUR representatives have to scrutinise the executive and ensures that the executive provides clear answers to questions. I prefer democracy to dictat.
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21/12/2020 16:34:34 2 0
bbc
Look up the word opposition in a dictionary, it seems to be causing you unnecessary confusion.
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21/12/2020 17:12:01 0 1
bbc
In Starmer's case it's lucky thought doesn't come into it.
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21/12/2020 18:24:42 0 0
bbc
The bit of parliament that most people see (PMQs) is the least representative of what MPs do. This doesn't help with public perception.
The idea of ruling party and opposition is itself very dated. Many countries have moved on to some form of proportional representation, which helps to encourage a less confrontational debate.
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Pso
21/12/2020 13:14:46 9 2
bbc
If the mutation is easier to transmit and has been around since Sept then it is all round Europe by now.

Worth noting that it is not proven to be faster transmission, this has just been extrapolated from data and produced by Neil Ferguson so bound to be a wild over estimate.

Thanks again to Matt H for emotional incontinence weeping and shouting about things being out of control!
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21/12/2020 13:17:59 16 3
bbc
I rather agree. We KNOW its in the Netherlands, Austria and Australia already. Plus I suspect the spread is more to do with London being Tier 2 and too many people having ten pints with their Scotch egg.
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Jim
21/12/2020 13:23:59 2 0
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And now those same people spreading it around the country as they return to their families / country pads / anywhere they can get to that isn't tier 4.

To be fair, not just se. Tier2 Liverpool is full if people from tier 3 manchester & cabbies from tier 3 lancashire
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:14:13 84 45
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All Starmer and the rest of his cronies do is slag off the government. So no need to resume a slagfest.
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21/12/2020 13:18:10 3 14
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Slugfest? Let's not be hasty here old boy :)
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21/12/2020 13:12:34 190 90
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No government would get everything right in such a crisis.

Sick of Kier Starmer.

When he won the leadership of the Labour party I was relieved to get rid of Corbyn.

Now all he can do is criticise. Try to pick holes in what the conservatives are doing. Its wearing. I'm fed up with him.
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21/12/2020 13:18:13 103 58
bbc
But that is absolutely his job, someone has to lead that role to ensure another side of the debate is visible to the public, if it wasn't there would be more concern about government overreach. It's an important part of democracy wether you agree with it or not.
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Jim
21/12/2020 13:27:37 18 12
bbc
True, the opposition has to hold gov to account. But they should also help when tomes are hard or if something is just the right thing to do.

Not a fan of conservatives, but they do tend to be able to support gov if right thing to do when in opposition. Labour just tend to snipe & make political points
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21/12/2020 13:38:03 10 6
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It’s a pity he’s as bad at it as his predecessor
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21/12/2020 13:51:34 10 3
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Yes, it's his job, and it would be nice if he actually started opposing the Government, instead of sniping about the detail and being clever after the fact. If he were to present a socialist/left-leaning argument against lockdown (say, the poorest and most vulnerable communities are suffering disproportionately due to lockdown, while the well-off retain jobs and work from home), he'd clean up.
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21/12/2020 14:33:00 2 0
bbc
picking holes should not be his job - in this case, contributing some ideas into a cross-party group should be the way
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21/12/2020 15:06:12 1 0
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not sure just asking for a big meeting is that constructive...... given the speed of change he could just call BoJo for an update or if SKS has got some great insight then send him a text. hot air really really isn't what's needed now....
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21/12/2020 15:08:10 1 0
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If it was timely not months later Kier the abstained
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21/12/2020 15:42:13 1 0
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The other side of the debate....what a joke. That would mean he and all Labour MP's would have to get of the picket fence for the first time in a couple of decades.
All he's doing, like the rest of Labour MP's, is acting like the Uni Debating Society that they tried to be good at...and failed. Time to Labour to fold and something new and good come out of it's ashes
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21/12/2020 15:50:59 0 0
bbc
He should come up with a plan BEFORE, stick with it after. Then say 'told you so' or say, 'sorry, got it wrong'
Shame he's not man enough to do that.
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21/12/2020 16:15:29 1 0
bbc
I'd agree if it was constructive opposition. But it isn't . We've not had such a thing under Milliband, Corbyn or Starmer. Just cheap political point scoring. You'd struggle to find alternatives being offered by Labour that aren't with the benefit of hindsight.
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21/12/2020 17:20:43 0 0
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Debate requires two propositions Starmer has none
21/12/2020 21:41:35 0 0
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Not quite right. If the other side of the debate is wrong then you imply he should still present it. Now I know as a lawyer he may well be used to doing that but this is government and the health and security of us is at stake therefore his 'duty' is to do the best for us which includes providing his alternative courses of action if he disagrees with government. This he singularly fails to do.
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21/12/2020 13:16:10 12 8
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Pretty Bloody obvious that Parliament should get back to it !
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21/12/2020 13:18:21 6 2
bbc
MP’s working over Christmas !

Good god, never heard anything like it.....

They struggle with the concept of work at the best of times
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:14:13 84 45
bbc
All Starmer and the rest of his cronies do is slag off the government. So no need to resume a slagfest.
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21/12/2020 13:18:23 5 6
bbc
Why would you support a government failing to protect its people?
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21/12/2020 13:18:33 5 7
bbc
If all Starmer can continually propose is more tightening of restrictions then persist in kow towing to whatever the government proposes, he will soon be facing another leadership challenge. He should be challenging the government on where the financial support is for business and the self employed and asking why cancer patients are having appointments cancelled for the sake of Brexit.
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21/12/2020 13:21:17 2 0
bbc
Covid, not Brexit :)
What for? Just to allow Sir Kneeling Starmer to spout hot air? Removed
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21/12/2020 13:18:48 8 6
bbc
Starmer is on top of his brief, unlike the lazy, hapless Johnson. He’s been offering clear advice for months. Unfortunately Johnson is only interested in humouring the lunatic libertarian fringe in his own party. We are all suffering.
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Pso
21/12/2020 13:14:46 9 2
bbc
If the mutation is easier to transmit and has been around since Sept then it is all round Europe by now.

Worth noting that it is not proven to be faster transmission, this has just been extrapolated from data and produced by Neil Ferguson so bound to be a wild over estimate.

Thanks again to Matt H for emotional incontinence weeping and shouting about things being out of control!
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21/12/2020 13:19:03 1 2
bbc
There is no evidence of it being more rampant. Look at the science not the gossip.
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21/12/2020 13:19:03 16 12
bbc
Starmer continues to be a political opportunist and fake news generator, mostly based on contradictory and in some cases unrelated information and hindsight.
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21/12/2020 13:23:18 10 3
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Go back and listen to Bozos response when Captain Foresight was slated for suggesting Xmas should be restricted more. Your man is a shambles.
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21/12/2020 13:37:42 1 0
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You would know about fake news.
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21/12/2020 13:06:47 39 27
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Total collapse of the country. Did not think I will ever see in my lifetime Britons considering or emigrating to Eastern Europe. Not since the great wave of Scots arrived in the Kingdom of Poland. Amazing how history and fortunes can change. Overnight.
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21/12/2020 13:19:05 1 0
bbc
I'm sure the Polish, Hungarian and Russian people would welcome Brits with open arms, as they have a lot in common.

As for the rest of us, we're off to Dubai.
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21/12/2020 13:23:39 5 0
bbc
Good luck in that sand bucket
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MKJ
21/12/2020 13:12:52 114 41
bbc
Never trust a lawyer.
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bbc
Especially one who let Saville off the hook Removed
This didn’t happen.

Also, another white religious man touching kids...
Removed
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21/12/2020 13:04:06 70 40
bbc
Work from home?

We have no democracy when new laws limiting peoples freedom are not even discussed.
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21/12/2020 13:19:13 29 27
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Does Tier 4 even exist legally russell? We had a vote on tiers 1, 2 and 3 but have Hancock and Johnson got the power to add tiers as they wish?
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21/12/2020 13:31:44 6 0
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Yes
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21/12/2020 13:38:50 5 0
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yes it was passed into law
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21/12/2020 13:50:15 11 3
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Yes - much better to wait for a while, have a few chats, discuss an amendment, in to the Lords, back to the Commons for another chat about it. All the while the virus is multiplying exponentially. And then moan about the government being slow to react like they did for the first lockdown. It goes to show that no matter what decision you make 50% of people will moan
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21/12/2020 13:55:56 5 0
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The Tories used a statutory instrument to get the changes, so it basically lets the government do whatever it wants for 28 days.

It needs to be approved by vote within 28 days to "hold", or it gets reversed.
But 28 days is plenty for Boris to do what he wants with it.
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21/12/2020 14:08:59 4 2
bbc
I'd also like to know if Sturgeon can legally shut the "border"? Obviously no-one should be travelling unless necessary at the moment, but why is no-one challenging her on this? It may be the thin end of the wedge. She is getting away with far too much.
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21/12/2020 15:57:50 0 0
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Yes they do from powers granted to them via the Coronvirus Act 2000, hence a Statutory instrument was released on the 20th December with Tier 4 restirictions. However, this is power that is unchecked and is being abused.
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21/12/2020 17:25:14 0 0
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The quick answer is YES
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21/12/2020 13:19:39 13 7
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As the lockdowns and science does not appear to be working, perhaps Bozo can suggest using leaches now. I seem to remember it working for Lord Melchet, Black Adder and Baldrick. Go on give it a go
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21/12/2020 13:16:59 125 52
bbc
So, you have a rampant virus circulating around London, and Starmer wants to bring together all MPs at its epicentre. Genius. Even Boris wouldn't dream up that gem.
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21/12/2020 13:19:41 82 26
bbc
They met via zoom during first lockdown. You do realise the MPs don't all have to sit in Parliament for parliament to be recalled don't you? What Starmer wants is for all the MPs to do their job and lead not sit at home enjoying Xmas.
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21/12/2020 13:38:52 6 7
bbc
When a labour mp actually starts doing their job, let us know.
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MKJ
21/12/2020 13:12:52 114 41
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Never trust a lawyer.
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21/12/2020 13:19:47 19 2
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Or a journalist, especially a cabinet full of journalists.

Are you also frustrated that the news of new lockdowns is always leaked to journalists to the public before the government can make announcements? Is that they way the public should be told about changes to public policy?
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21/12/2020 14:48:26 0 6
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inevitable
Whitty panics
leak to journos
BBC run 'must act, guessing wibble, fear'
Whitty tells BJ to do what he is told or 'his precious NHS will fail and I will blame you - and the BBC are ready to run the documentary I have already written for them'
BJ caves in to Whitty 'for science'

Nanny running the country not Boris
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21/12/2020 13:04:30 20 21
bbc
Captain Hindsight at it again. This is the opposition leader that was going to support the government in times of crisis - now relentlessly snipping at the fringes for any possible political gain. So statesmanlike!!!
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Gaz
21/12/2020 13:19:47 0 5
bbc
Whichever labour numpty they interview on tv or on the radio their only resonse is slagging off the government and having nothing positive to add.
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21/12/2020 13:12:43 166 42
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So send all the MPs into zone 4 - Starmer at his absolute best
Idiot at its best, it will be done virtualy. Removed
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21/12/2020 13:17:56 170 53
bbc
It must be great being leader of the opposition/SNP/Lib Dems etc. You get paid the same as all the other MP's (Cabinet & PM do get extra) and ALL you have to do is criticise what the Govt do. What a FANTASTIC job! No thought required!
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21/12/2020 13:20:17 78 34
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They are the opposition. Where is the testing of the majority party if there is no opposition?
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21/12/2020 13:39:49 10 7
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Apparently the bbc think it’s their job now
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21/12/2020 13:41:24 6 11
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Exactly that's why we need an opposition the trouble is they're less competent than the incompetent goverment
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21/12/2020 14:38:50 5 3
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I really wouldn’t describe Labour as opposition
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21/12/2020 15:39:24 1 3
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Criticising isnt test or holding the Gov to account. It's just Uni debate political point scoring. Thats why people were so ****** off with Corbyn and his nuts.
Its time Starmer started acting as a real Parliamentarian not a closet commi
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21/12/2020 17:13:42 1 1
bbc
Opposition should also put forward alternative policies , something they don't do they just oppose
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21/12/2020 13:12:43 166 42
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So send all the MPs into zone 4 - Starmer at his absolute best
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21/12/2020 13:20:25 14 2
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We have this thing called the internet and computers. Do keep up. The house has been very quiet for months now as majority are at home.
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21/12/2020 13:30:07 8 1
bbc
Tbf if we have the internet... why do we need to send people to London to represent us at all? I can represent myself from right here
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Jim
21/12/2020 13:20:33 7 1
bbc
If it is recalled, do it all online