Refunds pledge for scrapped Christmas travel plans
21/12/2020 | news | business | 173
All cancelled rail or coach journeys over Christmas in England will be refunded, the government says.
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21/12/2020 14:23:35 27 17
bbc
Must admit I find it difficult to have any sympathy with people trying to get away for a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

The scenes at railway stations over the last few days looked dreadful, little or no social distancing or masks.

Still I'm sure they'll blame the government to further spread of the virus ... anything else would mean accepting some personal responsibility.
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21/12/2020 14:31:21 25 7
bbc
The people discussed in the article weren't going on holiday. When they booked their tickets, they were planning their perfectly allowed trip to see loved ones.
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21/12/2020 14:31:22 6 4
bbc
It’s more about people trying to see their family.
Although I agree Cummings , Johnson and Rees Mogg have all set a bad example over the past year.
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21/12/2020 14:32:17 8 5
bbc
The Government is to blame. The minute they decided to ban all traveling in Tier 4 they should have suspended all Rail, flights and sea crossings immediately.
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21/12/2020 16:33:32 0 3
bbc
Absolute rubbish.
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21/12/2020 14:25:57 38 11
bbc
This pandemic shows how out of touch with normality the current crop of UK politicians (of all parties) actually are.

Travel is hugely expensive to those of us who can't claim it on expenses. The refund of tickets should have formed part of the initial announcement.
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21/12/2020 16:16:11 19 12
bbc
We wouldn't need to be paying this refund if Boris the buffoon hadn't blindly promised everybody five days of Christmas!!

More taxpayer money being flushed down the toilet cos this clown is making promises that he has no idea whether or not he will be able to keep!
3
21/12/2020 14:27:12 17 9
bbc
This magic money tree appears yet again.
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21/12/2020 16:20:44 8 4
bbc
Funny how when the North was in local lockdowns in October, they said they could only pay us 67% furlough.

Then it became a national lockdown in November and all of a sudden the magic money tree cam out and everyone got 80%.

Seems like the magic money tree is only available if people down south need it as well!
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21/12/2020 16:23:04 2 2
bbc
Oh it's not a magic money tree my friend. The weight of this financial largesse will be borne on the backs of the young. Most of those saved will be gone anyway in 5 years ironically. Such is the nature of the social contract. Wonder if those calling for schools to close and educations to be destroyed know that the contract goes both ways....
4
21/12/2020 14:30:48 4 12
bbc
Another waste of public money that our children will eventually have to pay back.
You make your choices in life and take the risks.
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21/12/2020 14:34:36 10 4
bbc
These are PRIVATISED travel services. Why are the government bailing them out ??

Waste of money indeed.
1
21/12/2020 14:23:35 27 17
bbc
Must admit I find it difficult to have any sympathy with people trying to get away for a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

The scenes at railway stations over the last few days looked dreadful, little or no social distancing or masks.

Still I'm sure they'll blame the government to further spread of the virus ... anything else would mean accepting some personal responsibility.
5
21/12/2020 14:31:21 25 7
bbc
The people discussed in the article weren't going on holiday. When they booked their tickets, they were planning their perfectly allowed trip to see loved ones.
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21/12/2020 17:04:36 1 0
bbc
Actually a lot changed their dates, as the railway companies' plans to allow social distancing on trains were ruined. Would be a lot of pre-booked seats on trains from Sunday onwards now empty, as the people travelled on a different date
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21/12/2020 23:38:43 0 0
bbc
That is a holiday. They did not 'love' each other enough to live nearby! Pathetic excuses to travel of a soppy useless entitled generations. Old days someone left, moved away from you, probably you never saw them again. Just rare letters by sailing boat possibly.
1
21/12/2020 14:23:35 27 17
bbc
Must admit I find it difficult to have any sympathy with people trying to get away for a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

The scenes at railway stations over the last few days looked dreadful, little or no social distancing or masks.

Still I'm sure they'll blame the government to further spread of the virus ... anything else would mean accepting some personal responsibility.
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21/12/2020 14:31:22 6 4
bbc
It’s more about people trying to see their family.
Although I agree Cummings , Johnson and Rees Mogg have all set a bad example over the past year.
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21/12/2020 15:17:30 6 2
bbc
Don't forget Corbyn's dinner party.
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21/12/2020 16:37:45 3 0
bbc
The highly incompetent, totally insane government have set the worst example ever for themselves, who have failed in every way possible to get to grips with the pandemic.

The worst government in modern UK history, and must be got rid of before they cause any further severe damage.
1
21/12/2020 14:23:35 27 17
bbc
Must admit I find it difficult to have any sympathy with people trying to get away for a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

The scenes at railway stations over the last few days looked dreadful, little or no social distancing or masks.

Still I'm sure they'll blame the government to further spread of the virus ... anything else would mean accepting some personal responsibility.
7
21/12/2020 14:32:17 8 5
bbc
The Government is to blame. The minute they decided to ban all traveling in Tier 4 they should have suspended all Rail, flights and sea crossings immediately.
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21/12/2020 14:36:17 7 5
bbc
They cause chaos, but accept no responsibility. The people deal with the consequences.
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21/12/2020 14:37:25 4 3
bbc
That is a sensible idea, so obviously was dismissed straight away by the government.
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37p
21/12/2020 15:15:06 3 1
bbc
Wouldn't have made any difference to prebooked tickets which is what this is about
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21/12/2020 14:32:51 11 4
bbc
What about flights to other parts of the UK? Why not compensate those as well?

Many people booked flights for the Christmas 5 day period, and now they are not allowed to go. The airlines and the airport car parks will not refund as the flights are going ahead.
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21/12/2020 15:13:09 6 1
bbc
Airport car parks should refund, as long as you don’t cancel less than 24 hours before your booking commences.
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21/12/2020 14:33:32 0 3
bbc
Oh that's kind of them.

Whoopee do.
10
21/12/2020 14:34:24 6 12
bbc
I live on the Surrey Sussex border.
There has been an endless stream of traffic heading south all day , very little going north.
So much for personal responsibility or police road blocks.
We live in a me , me, me , society , whose fault is it.
The Tories Greed.
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21/12/2020 14:38:09 10 1
bbc
Why are you expecting police road blocks? There have been very few police checkpoints installed throughout the whole lockdowns in the UK, especially not on major roads and motorways.
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21/12/2020 14:47:26 1 6
bbc
I agree with you whole heartedly. These people are the children of the "Baby Boomers" of the Thatcher generation of greed is good etc.
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21/12/2020 14:52:51 5 0
bbc
Oh come on. "The Tories greed"? Me. me, me.... yes, but the two are not synonymous,
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21/12/2020 15:05:47 4 0
bbc
You may want to blame the Tories to advance your political position (you must be a Labour Activist) but the real fault lies with the individual. Take some responsibility for your own actions for once and stop blaming the Government for everything
43
21/12/2020 15:09:51 0 0
bbc
The answer: Edward Bernays, the 'father' of the 'must have' society.. A Psychologist turned 'rough' many in the field would say
4
21/12/2020 14:30:48 4 12
bbc
Another waste of public money that our children will eventually have to pay back.
You make your choices in life and take the risks.
11
21/12/2020 14:34:36 10 4
bbc
These are PRIVATISED travel services. Why are the government bailing them out ??

Waste of money indeed.
17
21/12/2020 14:38:08 4 2
bbc
The government is refunding the ticket holders, not bailing out the companies.
40
21/12/2020 15:06:56 0 1
bbc
Did you get any furlough money?
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21/12/2020 15:14:40 1 1
bbc
because traditionally governments in the UK are too weak not just on this but many things like still allowing flights into the UK when 'half the world' was riddled with virus. Perhaps the government needs to take a leaf out of the French [whom i don't like, but admire their resolve!!!]
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21/12/2020 14:36:14 20 4
bbc
I hope the refunds process only applies to those that actually cancel their planned journeys.

I think that some will still travel regardless. In just a 21 minute walk about my estate in Central London today, I saw 3 people, with luggage, coming to stay with family and friends living here and 2 were obviously grandparents judging by the couple and their 2 children who greeted them.
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37p
21/12/2020 15:32:43 11 1
bbc
I suspect that most companies are sensible enough to only refund unused tickets.
7
21/12/2020 14:32:17 8 5
bbc
The Government is to blame. The minute they decided to ban all traveling in Tier 4 they should have suspended all Rail, flights and sea crossings immediately.
13
21/12/2020 14:36:17 7 5
bbc
They cause chaos, but accept no responsibility. The people deal with the consequences.
14
21/12/2020 14:36:24 13 7
bbc
Although it would be easy to mock more wild spending of funds, this is actually w sensible approach. Don’t go, there’s your money back, stop moaning idea. It may help contain this
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21/12/2020 14:45:49 11 18
bbc
No it will not those silly enough to book in the first place cannot get a graspt on common sense.
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21/12/2020 14:36:46 5 8
bbc
"It is imperative that we all follow the new measures and play our part in tackling this virus, protecting others and safeguarding our NHS."

This line sounds more tired and less convincing every time a politician trots it out in defence of each new assault on civil liberties. Credible voices of opposition (of which there are many) need to be allowed to speak. We need a new record.
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21/12/2020 14:57:35 1 4
bbc
politicians job is to create laws that they know they don't have to follow.
7
21/12/2020 14:32:17 8 5
bbc
The Government is to blame. The minute they decided to ban all traveling in Tier 4 they should have suspended all Rail, flights and sea crossings immediately.
16
21/12/2020 14:37:25 4 3
bbc
That is a sensible idea, so obviously was dismissed straight away by the government.
11
21/12/2020 14:34:36 10 4
bbc
These are PRIVATISED travel services. Why are the government bailing them out ??

Waste of money indeed.
17
21/12/2020 14:38:08 4 2
bbc
The government is refunding the ticket holders, not bailing out the companies.
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21/12/2020 14:52:13 3 0
bbc
But that is effectively bailing out the companies - they get paid for not having to provide the service and it's the government that is funding that.
10
21/12/2020 14:34:24 6 12
bbc
I live on the Surrey Sussex border.
There has been an endless stream of traffic heading south all day , very little going north.
So much for personal responsibility or police road blocks.
We live in a me , me, me , society , whose fault is it.
The Tories Greed.
18
21/12/2020 14:38:09 10 1
bbc
Why are you expecting police road blocks? There have been very few police checkpoints installed throughout the whole lockdowns in the UK, especially not on major roads and motorways.
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21/12/2020 14:40:44 0 1
bbc
Read it in the Telegraph , so it must be true.
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21/12/2020 14:38:51 5 7
bbc
Another bill for the taxpayer... over many years. For individuals it will be annoying and costly, but for the Government to pay for this... add in the admin costs etc... Billions??!! We cannot afford to pay for this at national level!
18
21/12/2020 14:38:09 10 1
bbc
Why are you expecting police road blocks? There have been very few police checkpoints installed throughout the whole lockdowns in the UK, especially not on major roads and motorways.
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21/12/2020 14:40:44 0 1
bbc
Read it in the Telegraph , so it must be true.
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21/12/2020 14:44:29 11 19
bbc
Why? if people are daft enough to book travel at times such as this they deserve to lose money if plans have to change. The blame is with them and them alone for not considering how circumstances can change at very short notice.
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CJR
21/12/2020 15:17:55 2 3
bbc
Trouble is they need to be able to think for themselves, alas the majority here have proved time and again this year that they lack that capability.
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21/12/2020 14:36:24 13 7
bbc
Although it would be easy to mock more wild spending of funds, this is actually w sensible approach. Don’t go, there’s your money back, stop moaning idea. It may help contain this
22
21/12/2020 14:45:49 11 18
bbc
No it will not those silly enough to book in the first place cannot get a graspt on common sense.
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21/12/2020 14:50:10 5 3
bbc
But they were told by the pm as late as Wednesday that it was ok. In fact those speaking out were mocked, including on here. If you want them to stay put, then cancel their ticket, give them their money back and one less thing for them to complain about
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21/12/2020 15:10:49 3 0
bbc
Common sense? Now there’s a thing of the past!
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37p
21/12/2020 15:11:37 6 3
bbc
OK then - don't book anything in advance as it might get cancelled. Don't buy a car because they might close the roads.
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21/12/2020 15:15:01 2 7
bbc
Those "Silly enough" you mean people who believed this incompetent clown booked their Hollybobs and then Bozo changes the rules and they are the silly ones??? You must be a Tory shill
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21/12/2020 16:26:25 0 0
bbc
You are the one without common sense, because you appear to have no compassion whatsoever about family disruptions and not a clue what what this is all about.
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21/12/2020 14:47:20 13 13
bbc
If people decided they wanted to take the risk of travelling for the 5 day bubble that's up to them, now they can't, the tax payer should not be penalised for their stupidity.
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37p
21/12/2020 15:08:05 17 7
bbc
Rubbish.
There was a firm commitment from the government on Wednesday that travel would be allowed for 5 days. By Friday they had changed their mind. Can't blame travellers for booking.
10
21/12/2020 14:34:24 6 12
bbc
I live on the Surrey Sussex border.
There has been an endless stream of traffic heading south all day , very little going north.
So much for personal responsibility or police road blocks.
We live in a me , me, me , society , whose fault is it.
The Tories Greed.
24
21/12/2020 14:47:26 1 6
bbc
I agree with you whole heartedly. These people are the children of the "Baby Boomers" of the Thatcher generation of greed is good etc.
22
21/12/2020 14:45:49 11 18
bbc
No it will not those silly enough to book in the first place cannot get a graspt on common sense.
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21/12/2020 14:50:10 5 3
bbc
But they were told by the pm as late as Wednesday that it was ok. In fact those speaking out were mocked, including on here. If you want them to stay put, then cancel their ticket, give them their money back and one less thing for them to complain about
17
21/12/2020 14:38:08 4 2
bbc
The government is refunding the ticket holders, not bailing out the companies.
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21/12/2020 14:52:13 3 0
bbc
But that is effectively bailing out the companies - they get paid for not having to provide the service and it's the government that is funding that.
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37p
21/12/2020 15:13:24 1 1
bbc
No it's not.
10
21/12/2020 14:34:24 6 12
bbc
I live on the Surrey Sussex border.
There has been an endless stream of traffic heading south all day , very little going north.
So much for personal responsibility or police road blocks.
We live in a me , me, me , society , whose fault is it.
The Tories Greed.
27
21/12/2020 14:52:51 5 0
bbc
Oh come on. "The Tories greed"? Me. me, me.... yes, but the two are not synonymous,
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21/12/2020 14:54:02 3 7
bbc
Why? Because the government said it would be possible before changing their minds. Boris’s johnson ruins everything.
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CJR
21/12/2020 15:15:43 7 3
bbc
You seem to conveniently be forgetting that the world is in the middle of a fast moving pandemic, anyone with a brain cell would have looked at what was happening elsewhere in Europe and would have expected it to happen here.
It’s not the government’s spreading the virus it’s the stupidity of some people.
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21/12/2020 14:56:49 1 2
bbc
nature is making a meal out of this one
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PH
21/12/2020 14:57:11 16 3
bbc
Do you hear Michael O’Leary....you will refund your passengers who cannot travel. Yep bet he does as he’s told without coming up with an excuse to avoid paying, NOT
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21/12/2020 14:57:33 7 10
bbc
So.. now the government isn't even pretending to be competent? They're just going to pay off all the rail companies with tax payer money because they couldn't plan this properly two weeks ago.
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37p
21/12/2020 15:20:51 10 4
bbc
How could they plane two weeks ago when the infection rates were not at the levels they are now?
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21/12/2020 14:36:46 5 8
bbc
"It is imperative that we all follow the new measures and play our part in tackling this virus, protecting others and safeguarding our NHS."

This line sounds more tired and less convincing every time a politician trots it out in defence of each new assault on civil liberties. Credible voices of opposition (of which there are many) need to be allowed to speak. We need a new record.
32
21/12/2020 14:57:35 1 4
bbc
politicians job is to create laws that they know they don't have to follow.
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21/12/2020 14:58:15 7 2
bbc
Sunak's tax assault in March will take care of everything.
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21/12/2020 15:02:45 5 1
bbc
No - he'll delay it :) as he will be giving more out yet again before long
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21/12/2020 14:58:19 10 8
bbc
Compensation culture rules yet again - for the stupid
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21/12/2020 14:58:15 7 2
bbc
Sunak's tax assault in March will take care of everything.
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21/12/2020 15:02:45 5 1
bbc
No - he'll delay it :) as he will be giving more out yet again before long
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21/12/2020 15:03:04 14 6
bbc
how much taxpayers money has the railways been given to their 'begging bowl' so far in this pandemic to keep them 'afloat' in this pandemic.. maybe now there is a case to review the whole franchise & subsidies system in which that the taxpayer is continually asked pay in order to keep these essentially foreign [eg. France, Germany, etc.] owned businesses 'afloat' !!!!!!
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21/12/2020 15:12:38 6 15
bbc
Oh Yeah, let's punish those nasty foreigners who own out infrastructure, put them out of business and then you can walk to work.
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21/12/2020 15:43:56 4 0
bbc
From March, the government changed to paying a flat 2% over running cost to all the rail operators as their ticket revenues disappeared, so effectively we've 'temporarily' renationalised the rail network.
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21/12/2020 16:08:35 2 0
bbc
Think you will find that most train companies are operating under Emergency Measures Agreement, basically means that the Government are taking all the money and giving the operators costs back
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21/12/2020 15:03:55 30 4
bbc
Christ. Someone please put a block on Rishi's credit card.
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21/12/2020 16:22:58 6 0
bbc
It's not the credit card it's the magic money tree!
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21/12/2020 15:05:44 50 15
bbc
Not to be a negative Norman, but why would anyone in their right mind want to travel during a pandemic?
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21/12/2020 15:07:08 27 12
bbc
Unfortunately some people aren’t in their right mind - pandemic or not!
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21/12/2020 15:12:27 7 3
bbc
Most people will have booked weeks ago
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21/12/2020 15:23:19 18 8
bbc
Because many people haven't seen their family since February. They aren't being selfish, it's a normal human emotion to want to be with your family.
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21/12/2020 15:52:20 9 7
bbc
Because a lot of people have moved to a different part of the uk to work and live and would like to see their family at some point.
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21/12/2020 16:50:24 2 0
bbc
Because some people have been alone in flats etc since March and need a break and .Doris said it was inhuman not to allow travel for Christmas
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22/12/2020 08:06:44 1 0
bbc
Because in the U.K. people don’t ‘live’ in just a few miles from their home. Many commute for 2-3 hours & back a day for work. Some live & work somewhere for 5 days & go ‘home’ at weekends. Families are spread far & wide. Some people won’t see next summer let alone next Christmas.

& the (in)action if the poxy gov has meant many have been driven to their wits end...
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21/12/2020 14:34:24 6 12
bbc
I live on the Surrey Sussex border.
There has been an endless stream of traffic heading south all day , very little going north.
So much for personal responsibility or police road blocks.
We live in a me , me, me , society , whose fault is it.
The Tories Greed.
39
21/12/2020 15:05:47 4 0
bbc
You may want to blame the Tories to advance your political position (you must be a Labour Activist) but the real fault lies with the individual. Take some responsibility for your own actions for once and stop blaming the Government for everything
11
21/12/2020 14:34:36 10 4
bbc
These are PRIVATISED travel services. Why are the government bailing them out ??

Waste of money indeed.
40
21/12/2020 15:06:56 0 1
bbc
Did you get any furlough money?
38
21/12/2020 15:05:44 50 15
bbc
Not to be a negative Norman, but why would anyone in their right mind want to travel during a pandemic?
41
21/12/2020 15:07:08 27 12
bbc
Unfortunately some people aren’t in their right mind - pandemic or not!
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21/12/2020 14:47:20 13 13
bbc
If people decided they wanted to take the risk of travelling for the 5 day bubble that's up to them, now they can't, the tax payer should not be penalised for their stupidity.
42
37p
21/12/2020 15:08:05 17 7
bbc
Rubbish.
There was a firm commitment from the government on Wednesday that travel would be allowed for 5 days. By Friday they had changed their mind. Can't blame travellers for booking.
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Jay
21/12/2020 18:13:15 0 0
bbc
You were doing so well until "a firm commitment from the government"

Really?
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21/12/2020 14:34:24 6 12
bbc
I live on the Surrey Sussex border.
There has been an endless stream of traffic heading south all day , very little going north.
So much for personal responsibility or police road blocks.
We live in a me , me, me , society , whose fault is it.
The Tories Greed.
43
21/12/2020 15:09:51 0 0
bbc
The answer: Edward Bernays, the 'father' of the 'must have' society.. A Psychologist turned 'rough' many in the field would say
22
21/12/2020 14:45:49 11 18
bbc
No it will not those silly enough to book in the first place cannot get a graspt on common sense.
44
21/12/2020 15:10:49 3 0
bbc
Common sense? Now there’s a thing of the past!
22
21/12/2020 14:45:49 11 18
bbc
No it will not those silly enough to book in the first place cannot get a graspt on common sense.
45
37p
21/12/2020 15:11:37 6 3
bbc
OK then - don't book anything in advance as it might get cancelled. Don't buy a car because they might close the roads.
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21/12/2020 15:15:39 5 5
bbc
Exactly! You are told to eat out, super Saturday, sup up, go back to the office, go on holiday, have a merry Xmas...then shamed when the government u turn and leave you in a mess! Surely that’s not right
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21/12/2020 15:11:59 1 16
bbc
May be in luck with getting refunds before Xmas (3-5 working days). Indecisive, incompetent government only in because of brexit, Corbyn would have done better.
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CJR
21/12/2020 15:22:59 7 2
bbc
Wow is that a real comment, JC in charge that would be the biggest ????????????????????of all time in charge, anyway you have made me laugh ????????????so much my side is hurting.
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21/12/2020 15:05:44 50 15
bbc
Not to be a negative Norman, but why would anyone in their right mind want to travel during a pandemic?
47
21/12/2020 15:12:27 7 3
bbc
Most people will have booked weeks ago
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21/12/2020 15:24:07 10 5
bbc
It was a pandemic then as well. We had booked holidays for September this year and April next. We cancelled both in May this year
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21/12/2020 15:12:31 6 6
bbc
Ticketing suggestion - if travel companies of all types will only issue a one way ticket in person and at the point of departure - then there's much less money changing hands and if a Covidiot manages to get from A to B then they can take their chances later trying to get back from B to A. Lets put an end to these "I want my money back / I'm marooned in Dubai Airport" bleatings.
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37p
21/12/2020 15:19:09 7 3
bbc
No very well thought out.

Return tickets are usually almost the same price as return and tickets (this article is about UK travel not overseas) and advance tickets are cheaper so that's why people book in advance.
The travel period was promised up to Wednesday as going ahead so there should have been no risk.
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21/12/2020 15:03:04 14 6
bbc
how much taxpayers money has the railways been given to their 'begging bowl' so far in this pandemic to keep them 'afloat' in this pandemic.. maybe now there is a case to review the whole franchise & subsidies system in which that the taxpayer is continually asked pay in order to keep these essentially foreign [eg. France, Germany, etc.] owned businesses 'afloat' !!!!!!
49
21/12/2020 15:12:38 6 15
bbc
Oh Yeah, let's punish those nasty foreigners who own out infrastructure, put them out of business and then you can walk to work.
8
21/12/2020 14:32:51 11 4
bbc
What about flights to other parts of the UK? Why not compensate those as well?

Many people booked flights for the Christmas 5 day period, and now they are not allowed to go. The airlines and the airport car parks will not refund as the flights are going ahead.
50
21/12/2020 15:13:09 6 1
bbc
Airport car parks should refund, as long as you don’t cancel less than 24 hours before your booking commences.
26
21/12/2020 14:52:13 3 0
bbc
But that is effectively bailing out the companies - they get paid for not having to provide the service and it's the government that is funding that.
51
37p
21/12/2020 15:13:24 1 1
bbc
No it's not.
11
21/12/2020 14:34:36 10 4
bbc
These are PRIVATISED travel services. Why are the government bailing them out ??

Waste of money indeed.
52
21/12/2020 15:14:40 1 1
bbc
because traditionally governments in the UK are too weak not just on this but many things like still allowing flights into the UK when 'half the world' was riddled with virus. Perhaps the government needs to take a leaf out of the French [whom i don't like, but admire their resolve!!!]
22
21/12/2020 14:45:49 11 18
bbc
No it will not those silly enough to book in the first place cannot get a graspt on common sense.
53
21/12/2020 15:15:01 2 7
bbc
Those "Silly enough" you mean people who believed this incompetent clown booked their Hollybobs and then Bozo changes the rules and they are the silly ones??? You must be a Tory shill
7
21/12/2020 14:32:17 8 5
bbc
The Government is to blame. The minute they decided to ban all traveling in Tier 4 they should have suspended all Rail, flights and sea crossings immediately.
54
37p
21/12/2020 15:15:06 3 1
bbc
Wouldn't have made any difference to prebooked tickets which is what this is about
45
37p
21/12/2020 15:11:37 6 3
bbc
OK then - don't book anything in advance as it might get cancelled. Don't buy a car because they might close the roads.
55
21/12/2020 15:15:39 5 5
bbc
Exactly! You are told to eat out, super Saturday, sup up, go back to the office, go on holiday, have a merry Xmas...then shamed when the government u turn and leave you in a mess! Surely that’s not right
28
21/12/2020 14:54:02 3 7
bbc
Why? Because the government said it would be possible before changing their minds. Boris’s johnson ruins everything.
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CJR
21/12/2020 15:15:43 7 3
bbc
You seem to conveniently be forgetting that the world is in the middle of a fast moving pandemic, anyone with a brain cell would have looked at what was happening elsewhere in Europe and would have expected it to happen here.
It’s not the government’s spreading the virus it’s the stupidity of some people.
57
21/12/2020 15:16:23 8 10
bbc
Travelling in a pandemic? Who would want to? Ah yes, Southerners! Stay at home. We don’t want you spreading it up North!
61
21/12/2020 15:19:53 3 1
bbc
unless we have to play premier league football
63
21/12/2020 15:20:26 5 2
bbc
I think you'll find those "southerners" travelling north are actually northerners who just happen to live down south, and wanting to visit their families up north. Just like me, I may live in Bristol but my roots and heart are in Manchester!
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Vid
21/12/2020 16:01:21 0 0
bbc
House rules BBC
6
21/12/2020 14:31:22 6 4
bbc
It’s more about people trying to see their family.
Although I agree Cummings , Johnson and Rees Mogg have all set a bad example over the past year.
58
21/12/2020 15:17:30 6 2
bbc
Don't forget Corbyn's dinner party.
82
21/12/2020 15:40:42 2 2
bbc
...or the labour mp who wanted a b--k
21
21/12/2020 14:44:29 11 19
bbc
Why? if people are daft enough to book travel at times such as this they deserve to lose money if plans have to change. The blame is with them and them alone for not considering how circumstances can change at very short notice.
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CJR
21/12/2020 15:17:55 2 3
bbc
Trouble is they need to be able to think for themselves, alas the majority here have proved time and again this year that they lack that capability.
120
37p
21/12/2020 16:24:01 0 0
bbc
"Trouble is they need to be able to think for themselves"

So you're saying that we should disbelieve anything anyone says. There was a commitment to travel for 5 days.

I'll trust you and as a start I disbelieve what you're saying.
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21/12/2020 15:12:31 6 6
bbc
Ticketing suggestion - if travel companies of all types will only issue a one way ticket in person and at the point of departure - then there's much less money changing hands and if a Covidiot manages to get from A to B then they can take their chances later trying to get back from B to A. Lets put an end to these "I want my money back / I'm marooned in Dubai Airport" bleatings.
60
37p
21/12/2020 15:19:09 7 3
bbc
No very well thought out.

Return tickets are usually almost the same price as return and tickets (this article is about UK travel not overseas) and advance tickets are cheaper so that's why people book in advance.
The travel period was promised up to Wednesday as going ahead so there should have been no risk.
57
21/12/2020 15:16:23 8 10
bbc
Travelling in a pandemic? Who would want to? Ah yes, Southerners! Stay at home. We don’t want you spreading it up North!
61
21/12/2020 15:19:53 3 1
bbc
unless we have to play premier league football
81
21/12/2020 15:39:37 2 0
bbc
All players are tested so this point is irrelevant.
62
21/12/2020 15:19:57 10 9
bbc
Why were rail stations open in London on Sunday allowing people to break Tier 4 rules and the police did nothing to stop them?
70
37p
21/12/2020 15:24:56 13 2
bbc
Travel is allowed for certain reasons. So don't assume all travellers are breaking tier 4 rules
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01
21/12/2020 15:27:47 3 5
bbc
The police are powerless, we need the Army!
57
21/12/2020 15:16:23 8 10
bbc
Travelling in a pandemic? Who would want to? Ah yes, Southerners! Stay at home. We don’t want you spreading it up North!
63
21/12/2020 15:20:26 5 2
bbc
I think you'll find those "southerners" travelling north are actually northerners who just happen to live down south, and wanting to visit their families up north. Just like me, I may live in Bristol but my roots and heart are in Manchester!
31
21/12/2020 14:57:33 7 10
bbc
So.. now the government isn't even pretending to be competent? They're just going to pay off all the rail companies with tax payer money because they couldn't plan this properly two weeks ago.
64
37p
21/12/2020 15:20:51 10 4
bbc
How could they plane two weeks ago when the infection rates were not at the levels they are now?
65
21/12/2020 15:22:11 7 6
bbc
Song; "Driving home for Christmas" has taken on a whole new meaning.
So! all those who fled London yesterday have infected the rest of the UK and can also get a refund to go back again.....charming! happy Christmas!
66
21/12/2020 15:22:43 5 4
bbc
need to travel?into lower tier areas,or even in europe? never fear play premier league football for all your banned destinations
109
21/12/2020 16:12:45 4 1
bbc
Given that professional footballers are all tested regularly, the ones who are following the rules are unlikely to be significant spreaders.
46
21/12/2020 15:11:59 1 16
bbc
May be in luck with getting refunds before Xmas (3-5 working days). Indecisive, incompetent government only in because of brexit, Corbyn would have done better.
67
CJR
21/12/2020 15:22:59 7 2
bbc
Wow is that a real comment, JC in charge that would be the biggest ????????????????????of all time in charge, anyway you have made me laugh ????????????so much my side is hurting.
71
21/12/2020 15:25:37 0 3
bbc
?????? reel them in. Oh that’s a relevant story to brexit, another of this governments failings ??
133
21/12/2020 16:40:33 1 0
bbc
It's not the personality, it's the policies that you vote for and everything in the 2019 Labour manifesto demonstrated they would have been much better at handling this. A terrible mistake was made at the last GE.
38
21/12/2020 15:05:44 50 15
bbc
Not to be a negative Norman, but why would anyone in their right mind want to travel during a pandemic?
68
21/12/2020 15:23:19 18 8
bbc
Because many people haven't seen their family since February. They aren't being selfish, it's a normal human emotion to want to be with your family.
141
21/12/2020 16:58:22 0 2
bbc
Can't think of any reason why those people could not have seen those family in the summer months. No travel bans in UK was there?
Except of course for those in care homes, but they are not the ones they were planning to travel to be with at Xmas.
Surely if in June or July they would have wanted to see these family members.
145
21/12/2020 17:00:12 0 2
bbc
Sorry but if they are asymptotic and spread it to others then yes they are definitely being selfish!

We have FaceTime, Skype, Zoom and a range of other platforms to stay in touch via. During the 2 world wars I can not picture everyone saying oh it’s Christmas we will all go on holiday - they got on with the war whether they were on the frontline or remaining in the U.K. doing their bit.
157
21/12/2020 19:10:52 0 0
bbc
Whilst true that its a normal human emotion it is selfish - to those you're visit first and foremost.
47
21/12/2020 15:12:27 7 3
bbc
Most people will have booked weeks ago
69
21/12/2020 15:24:07 10 5
bbc
It was a pandemic then as well. We had booked holidays for September this year and April next. We cancelled both in May this year
62
21/12/2020 15:19:57 10 9
bbc
Why were rail stations open in London on Sunday allowing people to break Tier 4 rules and the police did nothing to stop them?
70
37p
21/12/2020 15:24:56 13 2
bbc
Travel is allowed for certain reasons. So don't assume all travellers are breaking tier 4 rules
67
CJR
21/12/2020 15:22:59 7 2
bbc
Wow is that a real comment, JC in charge that would be the biggest ????????????????????of all time in charge, anyway you have made me laugh ????????????so much my side is hurting.
71
21/12/2020 15:25:37 0 3
bbc
?????? reel them in. Oh that’s a relevant story to brexit, another of this governments failings ??
72
21/12/2020 15:27:27 26 9
bbc
With everything that's gone on this year only a complete fool would consider flying anywhere!

In fact only a fool would consider using public transport too, unless absolutely forced to!
90
21/12/2020 15:50:17 13 3
bbc
Not everyone who travels does it for fun. I had to travel from abroad for my father's funeral. We timed it so that we would quarantine on arrival and still have a little family gathering (we are two siblings therefore within the allowed rules) over the 5 day Christmas period. I need to travel back for my children to go back to school, but now we find ourselves stuck in tier 4 with the borders shut
111
21/12/2020 16:15:48 7 1
bbc
Only a fool would discount all others' points of view in favour of their own
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01
21/12/2020 15:27:15 6 10
bbc
Why weren't the railways, airports and motorways closed before tier 4 was announced? It was obvious that there'd be a mass exodus the day before as the sheeple are selfish and stupid! Yet another Boris blunder that wasn't thought through properly.
92
37p
21/12/2020 15:53:53 4 1
bbc
That wold have helped people travelling legitimately.

This comment was probably not thought through properly
149
21/12/2020 17:12:10 0 0
bbc
Absolute rubbish, and you have made the biggest blunder of all for making such an idiotic, very simple-minded comment. How do you think that people were going to get back home if that totally insane suggestion of yours was introduced?

And people ARE NOT selfish or stupid, so take a good look at yourself for a change. Hopefully you will see that you are NOT quite so perfect after all.
62
21/12/2020 15:19:57 10 9
bbc
Why were rail stations open in London on Sunday allowing people to break Tier 4 rules and the police did nothing to stop them?
74
01
21/12/2020 15:27:47 3 5
bbc
The police are powerless, we need the Army!
106
21/12/2020 16:11:39 2 0
bbc
You mean declare martial law?? This isn't North Korea. Notices saying "Unauthorised travellers will be shot" hopefully won't happen here.
150
21/12/2020 17:14:51 0 0
bbc
Another stupid, totally insane comment from yourself. This country is a democracy and NOT a military junta.
75
21/12/2020 15:31:49 9 8
bbc
I think the Government should be made to pay for wrecking millions more lives than Covid. When this is all over, they might wake up one morning and realize that their decisions have caused untold misery for millions of people. The virus is persistent but so is the regularity of insane Government decisions. They must be made to pay.
84
21/12/2020 15:42:11 13 0
bbc
The government doesn't have any money.
Tax is their income... Now, join the dots
151
21/12/2020 17:23:32 0 0
bbc
The only way this total insanity is going to stop is for that highly incompetent totally insane Johnson and his mob be got rid of forever.

However, very fortunately Johnson's popularity is now only 30%, and he only needs to go over the edge again (like on Saturday) when hos popularity will become 0%. That will give him a vote of no confidence, so at least that will get rid of him.
76
01
21/12/2020 15:28:53 10 16
bbc
Don't refund them! It serves them right for trying to travel during these times!
79
21/12/2020 15:38:43 8 2
bbc
Except for some areas now in Tier 4, until very recently the rules for those areas were much more relaxed. In London's case, they only moved into Tier 3 a week ago, and tickets to travel can be booked weeks or months in advance... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-2-high-alert#travelling-out-of-a-tier-2-area

I live in the North, so we've been used to this for months.
89
21/12/2020 15:47:25 3 1
bbc
That's just being silly. Have you never booked months (sometimes years) in advance?
148
21/12/2020 17:04:49 1 0
bbc
Absolute totally insane rubbish, and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for making such a very nasty, simple-minded and imbecilic comment.

Many people had booked well in advance because they were told that it was OK to travel, so therefore MUST be refunded.

At the moment, people DO NOT want to see such a very nasty, totally insane comments as you have made on this site.
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21/12/2020 14:36:14 20 4
bbc
I hope the refunds process only applies to those that actually cancel their planned journeys.

I think that some will still travel regardless. In just a 21 minute walk about my estate in Central London today, I saw 3 people, with luggage, coming to stay with family and friends living here and 2 were obviously grandparents judging by the couple and their 2 children who greeted them.
77
37p
21/12/2020 15:32:43 11 1
bbc
I suspect that most companies are sensible enough to only refund unused tickets.
146
21/12/2020 17:01:34 0 0
bbc
But since they get refunded by the taxpayer, will they put in place the checks necessary at their own cost
78
21/12/2020 15:34:12 9 14
bbc
Those in Tier 4 are under stay at home orders why are they trying to travel?
80
21/12/2020 15:39:32 7 2
bbc
Tickets for travel may have been booked many weeks in advance, when an area was only Tier 2. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-2-high-alert#travelling-out-of-a-tier-2-area
83
37p
21/12/2020 15:41:00 1 3
bbc
What does that have to do with this article? It's about refunding booked and paid travel.
140
21/12/2020 16:55:34 0 0
bbc
Do you think that they will adhere to the latest scaremongering insanity announced at such short notice on Saturday?
76
01
21/12/2020 15:28:53 10 16
bbc
Don't refund them! It serves them right for trying to travel during these times!
79
21/12/2020 15:38:43 8 2
bbc
Except for some areas now in Tier 4, until very recently the rules for those areas were much more relaxed. In London's case, they only moved into Tier 3 a week ago, and tickets to travel can be booked weeks or months in advance... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-2-high-alert#travelling-out-of-a-tier-2-area

I live in the North, so we've been used to this for months.
78
21/12/2020 15:34:12 9 14
bbc
Those in Tier 4 are under stay at home orders why are they trying to travel?
80
21/12/2020 15:39:32 7 2
bbc
Tickets for travel may have been booked many weeks in advance, when an area was only Tier 2. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-2-high-alert#travelling-out-of-a-tier-2-area
61
21/12/2020 15:19:53 3 1
bbc
unless we have to play premier league football
81
21/12/2020 15:39:37 2 0
bbc
All players are tested so this point is irrelevant.
58
21/12/2020 15:17:30 6 2
bbc
Don't forget Corbyn's dinner party.
82
21/12/2020 15:40:42 2 2
bbc
...or the labour mp who wanted a b--k
78
21/12/2020 15:34:12 9 14
bbc
Those in Tier 4 are under stay at home orders why are they trying to travel?
83
37p
21/12/2020 15:41:00 1 3
bbc
What does that have to do with this article? It's about refunding booked and paid travel.
75
21/12/2020 15:31:49 9 8
bbc
I think the Government should be made to pay for wrecking millions more lives than Covid. When this is all over, they might wake up one morning and realize that their decisions have caused untold misery for millions of people. The virus is persistent but so is the regularity of insane Government decisions. They must be made to pay.
84
21/12/2020 15:42:11 13 0
bbc
The government doesn't have any money.
Tax is their income... Now, join the dots
85
21/12/2020 15:43:07 10 11
bbc
Not convinced by this refund. Anyone who booked to travel could afford it, and can take the hit of not being able to go. In an ideal world they should be refunded. But there's only so much government money and some people have lost their jobs and have no food, I think they should be the priority.
88
21/12/2020 15:46:37 8 6
bbc
Why would you think that? Many save up for that special treat - be it a holiday or whatever. They can't "take the hit"
95
21/12/2020 15:59:20 2 0
bbc
Easier to demand that the companies themselves should refund by law. I cancelled my August holiday for which fortunately I'd only paid a deposit. The result? Full refund for the airport long term parking, full refund for the night before airport hotel, and (you guessed it) a voucher from the holiday company.
36
21/12/2020 15:03:04 14 6
bbc
how much taxpayers money has the railways been given to their 'begging bowl' so far in this pandemic to keep them 'afloat' in this pandemic.. maybe now there is a case to review the whole franchise & subsidies system in which that the taxpayer is continually asked pay in order to keep these essentially foreign [eg. France, Germany, etc.] owned businesses 'afloat' !!!!!!
86
21/12/2020 15:43:56 4 0
bbc
From March, the government changed to paying a flat 2% over running cost to all the rail operators as their ticket revenues disappeared, so effectively we've 'temporarily' renationalised the rail network.
93
21/12/2020 15:54:02 3 0
bbc
Indeed, the Tories renationalised the railways, fancy that!
87
21/12/2020 15:44:56 24 3
bbc
Please make sure no fraudulent claims
85
21/12/2020 15:43:07 10 11
bbc
Not convinced by this refund. Anyone who booked to travel could afford it, and can take the hit of not being able to go. In an ideal world they should be refunded. But there's only so much government money and some people have lost their jobs and have no food, I think they should be the priority.
88
21/12/2020 15:46:37 8 6
bbc
Why would you think that? Many save up for that special treat - be it a holiday or whatever. They can't "take the hit"
94
21/12/2020 15:56:09 3 3
bbc
I'm really sorry that it sounds heartless. But there are so many in the hospitality and theatre industries who haven't worked properly for 9 months and are in the brink of destitution, whereas I just don't think anyone will actually starve without a travel refund.
165
21/12/2020 23:53:58 1 0
bbc
If you have money to spend on a holiday you are rich enough to 'take the hit'. It is no different position than the day after you might have returned. Money gone, nothing to show for it. Not like needing the money for food or something real and solid, and to have lost it.
76
01
21/12/2020 15:28:53 10 16
bbc
Don't refund them! It serves them right for trying to travel during these times!
89
21/12/2020 15:47:25 3 1
bbc
That's just being silly. Have you never booked months (sometimes years) in advance?
72
21/12/2020 15:27:27 26 9
bbc
With everything that's gone on this year only a complete fool would consider flying anywhere!

In fact only a fool would consider using public transport too, unless absolutely forced to!
90
21/12/2020 15:50:17 13 3
bbc
Not everyone who travels does it for fun. I had to travel from abroad for my father's funeral. We timed it so that we would quarantine on arrival and still have a little family gathering (we are two siblings therefore within the allowed rules) over the 5 day Christmas period. I need to travel back for my children to go back to school, but now we find ourselves stuck in tier 4 with the borders shut
162
21/12/2020 23:34:01 1 2
bbc
Fair enough & good on you planning to quarantine but. No you did not 'have' to travel as no one whatever 'needs' to go to any funeral. The person is dead they do not know if you are there or not! This crazy inclusion of utter trivia as some supposed 'need' is madness of a soft useless modern attitude to so much. Not so long ago relatives died far off & you heard about it months later by sea post.
38
21/12/2020 15:05:44 50 15
bbc
Not to be a negative Norman, but why would anyone in their right mind want to travel during a pandemic?
91
21/12/2020 15:52:20 9 7
bbc
Because a lot of people have moved to a different part of the uk to work and live and would like to see their family at some point.
96
21/12/2020 15:59:54 8 11
bbc
Maybe so but NOT in a pandemic!
What part of that is so hard to comprehend?
143
21/12/2020 16:58:57 1 0
bbc
The summer seems like a good time, and no doubt many did.
73
01
21/12/2020 15:27:15 6 10
bbc
Why weren't the railways, airports and motorways closed before tier 4 was announced? It was obvious that there'd be a mass exodus the day before as the sheeple are selfish and stupid! Yet another Boris blunder that wasn't thought through properly.
92
37p
21/12/2020 15:53:53 4 1
bbc
That wold have helped people travelling legitimately.

This comment was probably not thought through properly
86
21/12/2020 15:43:56 4 0
bbc
From March, the government changed to paying a flat 2% over running cost to all the rail operators as their ticket revenues disappeared, so effectively we've 'temporarily' renationalised the rail network.
93
21/12/2020 15:54:02 3 0
bbc
Indeed, the Tories renationalised the railways, fancy that!
88
21/12/2020 15:46:37 8 6
bbc
Why would you think that? Many save up for that special treat - be it a holiday or whatever. They can't "take the hit"
94
21/12/2020 15:56:09 3 3
bbc
I'm really sorry that it sounds heartless. But there are so many in the hospitality and theatre industries who haven't worked properly for 9 months and are in the brink of destitution, whereas I just don't think anyone will actually starve without a travel refund.
85
21/12/2020 15:43:07 10 11
bbc
Not convinced by this refund. Anyone who booked to travel could afford it, and can take the hit of not being able to go. In an ideal world they should be refunded. But there's only so much government money and some people have lost their jobs and have no food, I think they should be the priority.
95
21/12/2020 15:59:20 2 0
bbc
Easier to demand that the companies themselves should refund by law. I cancelled my August holiday for which fortunately I'd only paid a deposit. The result? Full refund for the airport long term parking, full refund for the night before airport hotel, and (you guessed it) a voucher from the holiday company.
104
21/12/2020 16:08:56 2 0
bbc
Yes a refund from the company makes sense. Although I believe rail companies are on the brink too, and I do hope we still have a rail network after all this.
91
21/12/2020 15:52:20 9 7
bbc
Because a lot of people have moved to a different part of the uk to work and live and would like to see their family at some point.
96
21/12/2020 15:59:54 8 11
bbc
Maybe so but NOT in a pandemic!
What part of that is so hard to comprehend?
105
37p
21/12/2020 16:11:29 3 3
bbc
"Maybe so but NOT in a pandemic!
What part of that is so hard to comprehend?"

The bit where the government says it's OK to travel and says to the opposition "are you trying t ruin Christmas" and then changes the rules with 36 hours. Even I could see the rise in cases at the start of the week.
97
21/12/2020 15:59:50 2 1
bbc
I live in tier 4. A mile down the road its tier 2. Can someone explain that science to me?
99
21/12/2020 16:04:21 9 1
bbc
you have to draw a line somewhere...
100
21/12/2020 16:04:41 0 0
bbc
One mile? I'd call that a good social distancing. In reality, when you draw a boundary round a high risk area, there's always someone just on the wrong side of it.
113
21/12/2020 16:15:09 0 0
bbc
You mean, like a border line?
57
21/12/2020 15:16:23 8 10
bbc
Travelling in a pandemic? Who would want to? Ah yes, Southerners! Stay at home. We don’t want you spreading it up North!
98
Vid
21/12/2020 16:01:21 0 0
bbc
House rules BBC
97
21/12/2020 15:59:50 2 1
bbc
I live in tier 4. A mile down the road its tier 2. Can someone explain that science to me?
99
21/12/2020 16:04:21 9 1
bbc
you have to draw a line somewhere...
114
37p
21/12/2020 16:16:54 0 0
bbc
4 to 2 though!

Doesn't make a lot sense to me. I'd expect tier 3 to border on both of them.
97
21/12/2020 15:59:50 2 1
bbc
I live in tier 4. A mile down the road its tier 2. Can someone explain that science to me?
100
21/12/2020 16:04:41 0 0
bbc
One mile? I'd call that a good social distancing. In reality, when you draw a boundary round a high risk area, there's always someone just on the wrong side of it.