New coronavirus variant: What do we know?
20/12/2020 | news | health | 341
How has a new coronavirus variant become the most common form of the virus in parts of England?
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20/12/2020 22:49:03 27 19
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What we know is BoJo botched the whole issue of COVID from start to finish - told we would have numbers as bad as Italy (and we did), told it would be worse in the Winter and it is - clown!
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20/12/2020 22:52:37 8 8
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And now we have the Kent mutation that is particularly virulent. Earlier lockdown (with people obeying the rules - instead of HMG’s mealy mouthed “recommendations”) might have prevented it from occurring
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20/12/2020 22:52:39 5 8
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You sad people still trying to make political points, it's no wonder your lot lost the election. Full of hatred, lies and fake news.
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20/12/2020 22:49:27 11 19
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Well we know that locking down in September like the scientists wanted might have prevented it
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20/12/2020 22:51:10 13 7
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Proof please? No, you don't have any. Lock downs don't prevent the virus they just slow it slightly.
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20/12/2020 22:52:34 0 0
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There again, it might not.
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20/12/2020 22:55:45 3 1
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In the last lockdown cases went up, lockdowns do not work to stop the spread they only put the handbrake on while the engine idling.
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20/12/2020 22:50:55 7 3
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4 members states to date in the Eu already have the virus. And I'll bet Germany has it also looking at the rise in their cases.
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20/12/2020 22:53:31 5 15
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People coming over from France brought this mutated virus.
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20/12/2020 22:55:20 2 0
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All 4 states of the UK also have the virus and at an increasing rate, so what's your point about the EU?

Its a global issue nothing just to do with EU
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20/12/2020 22:49:27 11 19
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Well we know that locking down in September like the scientists wanted might have prevented it
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20/12/2020 22:51:10 13 7
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Proof please? No, you don't have any. Lock downs don't prevent the virus they just slow it slightly.
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20/12/2020 22:53:36 2 4
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Slow its down slightly? Proof please.
Lockdowns help, if you don't want to be in lockdown go outside or another country that doesn't have them.
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20/12/2020 22:54:21 4 4
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There is loads of proof. That you don’t understand it, doesn’t make it invalid
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20/12/2020 22:51:28 42 10
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If just considering the virus itself, the only thing which really works to contain it, is lockdown. Tiers 1 & 2 are useless, Tier 3 slows it, but doesn't stop the spread, and that's without the latest mutation. But the problem with all these restrictions and lockdowns is that the cure could end up being worse than the illness. Its tough, really tough. Lets look out for one another, please.
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20/12/2020 22:57:57 26 31
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Lockdowns don't work ... the collateral damage to protecting 8m over 75's is ludicrous.
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20/12/2020 23:16:32 1 1
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Stop focusing on infection rates and start looking at the death figures by Date of Death. These show that lockdowns don’t work.
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x75
20/12/2020 23:18:35 3 0
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Lockdowns should only ever have been for the elderly with a strong advisory for those with other health issues. We have now destroyed the economy and the future of the young for a virus with a relatively low death rate. Any pandemic where the death rate, for the relatively healthy and anyone under 65, is less than 1% is not that dangerous. What a waste of a nation to save so few.
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20/12/2020 22:51:42 20 15
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What is for certain is, due to bojo and co's complete incompetence from day 1, lockdown will be the norm for months to come
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20/12/2020 22:53:50 12 12
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No dear, it isn't all Boris's fault.
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20/12/2020 22:54:56 0 1
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So just like every other country then
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20/12/2020 22:57:23 5 0
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Cheap shot, the UK has its ups and downs and as such is really no different from other countries across the globe, a few months back some folk were even praising Sweden's approach. It's far too easy to snipe from an armchair without having any direct responsibility to deal with this pandemic.
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20/12/2020 22:53:48 1 0
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For you, maybe.
Some of us cannot afford to keep subsidising this clackery.
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20/12/2020 22:58:12 2 0
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Is he responsible for every country going through the same thing or just this one? Are you aware this is a world wide problem?
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20/12/2020 23:42:57 0 0
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Since March a significant proportion of the public have repeatedly demonstrated epic levels of bovine stupidity, ignorance and selfishness. I see evidence of this inconvenient truth every day. The idiots among us who know their rights but care little for their responsibilities are just as culpable as the government for this mess.
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20/12/2020 22:49:03 27 19
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What we know is BoJo botched the whole issue of COVID from start to finish - told we would have numbers as bad as Italy (and we did), told it would be worse in the Winter and it is - clown!
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20/12/2020 22:52:37 8 8
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And now we have the Kent mutation that is particularly virulent. Earlier lockdown (with people obeying the rules - instead of HMG’s mealy mouthed “recommendations”) might have prevented it from occurring
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20/12/2020 22:55:35 0 1
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As would tighter borders...
The kent vesion is scientifically called the rubber dingy variant Removed
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20/12/2020 22:49:03 27 19
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What we know is BoJo botched the whole issue of COVID from start to finish - told we would have numbers as bad as Italy (and we did), told it would be worse in the Winter and it is - clown!
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20/12/2020 22:52:39 5 8
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You sad people still trying to make political points, it's no wonder your lot lost the election. Full of hatred, lies and fake news.
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20/12/2020 22:58:16 5 1
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What we know is that we know naff all. But you have to admit that this PM and his shower of dimwits is by far the worst bunch of idiots to have been given the opportunity to lead us through this crisis.
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20/12/2020 22:58:53 6 1
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What is fake? Just statements made in March when Italy was COVID ground zero - the UK was warned and BoJo (like Trump) was in denial. Politicians need to be accountable but never are
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20/12/2020 23:02:37 7 1
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What evidence do you have of whom 1963tiger voted for at the election?

"Full of hatred, lies and fake news."

There is no "hatred" or "lies" or "fake news" in the comment you are replying to....

Would you by any chance be Donald Trump's lovechild ?
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20/12/2020 22:52:56 42 8
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You’re having an HYS on “new corona variant: what do we know”.

Seriously?
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20/12/2020 23:00:44 19 17
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Well... The WHO has known about this "new variant" since September, where it would appear to have been in relatively common circulation... The "70% more transmissible" has absolutely no science or study to back it up... So, essentially, we ar being lied to, again.
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20/12/2020 23:30:06 0 0
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We know the new strain was ignored by the government when it was first detected in September, and was further ignored in November when it was already widespread in London. Which at the time was defiantly being kept in tier 2.
Only now 3 months later is anything being done, and right after a lot of christmas hope has been raised.
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20/12/2020 22:53:17 44 24
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Lockdowns simply aren’t working. Mother Nature is at her finest.
We can’t keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
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20/12/2020 22:54:42 30 14
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10% of people ruin it for the rest.
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20/12/2020 23:04:54 5 1
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Because they’re half hearted lockdowns
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20/12/2020 23:02:19 7 4
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What crap, what better way do you know of to stop the spread of an airborne virus than to literally quarantine everyone?

What isn’t working is the cycle of lockdown then open everything up so cases go back up again.

Time conspiracy theories were nipped in the bud, they are killing people.
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20/12/2020 23:14:54 1 0
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Yes, the genie is out of the bottle for sure. Read it and weep.
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20/12/2020 23:22:49 0 0
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Exactly. We've been playing whackamole for 9 months & usng a bigger hammer or hitting harder isn't going to have any effect. Time to abandon the restrictions - all of them - and simply advise all those who are considered at serious risk to shield until they can be vaccinated.

"Advise" rather than "order". The people concerned should be choose the level of risk they're prepared to take.
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20/12/2020 22:50:55 7 3
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4 members states to date in the Eu already have the virus. And I'll bet Germany has it also looking at the rise in their cases.
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20/12/2020 22:53:31 5 15
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People coming over from France brought this mutated virus.
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20/12/2020 22:55:45 5 0
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Absolutely no evidence of this
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20/12/2020 23:16:19 0 0
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A convenient tall story!
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20/12/2020 23:17:48 0 0
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Absolutely no evidence to support that- typical Nationalist claptrap
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20/12/2020 22:53:36 38 11
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What we know is:- you can't rely on the general public.
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20/12/2020 22:54:52 26 11
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Or politicians
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20/12/2020 22:51:10 13 7
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Proof please? No, you don't have any. Lock downs don't prevent the virus they just slow it slightly.
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20/12/2020 22:53:36 2 4
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Slow its down slightly? Proof please.
Lockdowns help, if you don't want to be in lockdown go outside or another country that doesn't have them.
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20/12/2020 22:51:42 20 15
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What is for certain is, due to bojo and co's complete incompetence from day 1, lockdown will be the norm for months to come
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20/12/2020 22:53:50 12 12
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No dear, it isn't all Boris's fault.
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20/12/2020 22:55:24 3 1
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Just mostly. Those who voted for him also bear part of the blame
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20/12/2020 22:56:57 4 0
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His handling of it and communication has been abysmal
More interested in being popular than looking at detail and making decisions
He is a waste of space
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20/12/2020 22:54:00 7 15
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The EU is using this as a Brexit exercise.

Look at the EU countries so far that blocked us, most of them are fishing states
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20/12/2020 22:56:36 0 1
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France
Netherlands
Belgium
Italy
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20/12/2020 22:57:18 1 1
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Indeed. It's already in the EU, free movement of people is something they love.
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20/12/2020 23:10:54 0 0
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Look at the EU countries so far that blocked us, most of them are the ones nearest us. Probably a more realistic reason.
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20/12/2020 22:51:10 13 7
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Proof please? No, you don't have any. Lock downs don't prevent the virus they just slow it slightly.
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20/12/2020 22:54:21 4 4
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There is loads of proof. That you don’t understand it, doesn’t make it invalid
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20/12/2020 22:54:35 3 14
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What we do know is that it is beyond the ken of this Tory “government” to handle.

Johnson should go & let Gove take over.
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20/12/2020 22:56:50 4 1
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Pathetic. That man just sits on fences shouting abuse. What a joke.
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20/12/2020 23:00:19 1 0
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You mean like having your hemmorhoids cured only to be told you now have cancer
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20/12/2020 23:00:29 1 0
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Johnson should definitely go. But Gove? Seriously?!?!
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20/12/2020 22:54:37 11 9
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If it has been here since September it will already have caused the large rise in cases in Europe.

France shutting the stable door...

...or is this a rehearsal for January 1st?
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20/12/2020 22:59:56 5 3
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No. You’re just wrong
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20/12/2020 22:53:36 38 11
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What we know is:- you can't rely on the general public.
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20/12/2020 22:54:52 26 11
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Or politicians
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20/12/2020 22:51:42 20 15
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What is for certain is, due to bojo and co's complete incompetence from day 1, lockdown will be the norm for months to come
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20/12/2020 22:54:56 0 1
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So just like every other country then
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20/12/2020 22:55:09 15 4
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It is well known that the Mutant Ninja Covids live in the sewers and eat pizzas -so all we have to do is ban pizza deliveries.
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20/12/2020 22:50:55 7 3
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4 members states to date in the Eu already have the virus. And I'll bet Germany has it also looking at the rise in their cases.
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20/12/2020 22:55:20 2 0
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All 4 states of the UK also have the virus and at an increasing rate, so what's your point about the EU?

Its a global issue nothing just to do with EU
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20/12/2020 23:31:15 0 0
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Eu let in in from china via Italy
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20/12/2020 22:55:24 7 5
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Ironically, by forcing Johnson to abandon proposals for that reckless Christmas relaxation, the new variant of the virus may actually have saved many lives. But if the decision had been taken as soon as the hazard was identified, many more would have been saved.
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20/12/2020 22:53:50 12 12
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No dear, it isn't all Boris's fault.
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20/12/2020 22:55:24 3 1
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Just mostly. Those who voted for him also bear part of the blame
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20/12/2020 22:55:26 52 12
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BBC - why did you open HYS on this? No-one with any expertise on the subject will comment and you're just allowing people to stir up hatred.
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20/12/2020 22:59:20 16 5
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Is this your first time on HYS? Hyperbolic click-bait gets lots of comments
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20/12/2020 23:23:26 1 0
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You're probably right but there might be the occasional person commenting that does have expertise...
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20/12/2020 23:26:51 1 0
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The HYS has probably been opened so people can raise their frustration that a Covid variant detected in September, and already widespread in Tier 2 London by November, has had no containment plans put in place until December 20th. Right after raising the hope for a brief christmas respite.

At best that behaviour shows absolutely no proactivity and is beyond incompetent. At worst it is sadistic.
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20/12/2020 23:28:56 0 0
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Their comeuppance is on its way. They have had plenty of time to change their ways.
Far from reporting the news they choose to influence it. I no longer like the Beeb let alone trust it.
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20/12/2020 23:30:11 0 0
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Every news outlet is reporting the same story, if you dislike the BBC so much why are you on here. The government have shot themselves in the foot; exaggerating the mutation danger to frighten people into staying home for Christmas causing the rest of the world to close our borders.
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20/12/2020 22:53:31 5 15
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People coming over from France brought this mutated virus.
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20/12/2020 22:55:45 5 0
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Absolutely no evidence of this
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20/12/2020 22:55:55 22 15
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Any version of covid has more dignity than our nasty parliament..
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20/12/2020 22:55:56 43 13
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Viruses mutate to spread more easily. They become less pathogenic as they adapt to a new host. Think about it. A variant that makes you incredibly ill and bed ridden for two weeks, or one which causes mild illness and allows you to get out and about and interact with other people. Which is more likely to spread? The latter. This is happening now. You watch- guaranteed it is less pathogenic.
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20/12/2020 22:58:30 23 8
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I hope you are right. I’d never heard this before, but because I am a reasonable man, and you wrote it like a decent human being I will happily take your word for it.
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20/12/2020 23:00:13 3 2
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Let's hope you are right. It sounds logical. So long as Covid was not man made.
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20/12/2020 23:04:05 11 0
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You are broadly correct in that, for a virus, the ideal is to spread as widely as possible through the host population, but without killing its hosts. But a virus has no foresight or intelligence - a more pathogenic strain could arise, which would only eventually be eliminated by killing too many of its hosts. We must not be complacent.
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20/12/2020 23:06:39 0 6
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Why are you called Mr Big? ??? ??
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20/12/2020 23:09:02 3 0
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I hope you are right, however London also has the biggest growth in hospital admissions.
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20/12/2020 23:09:51 4 0
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I've had a long time interest in immunology, and in general it is true that the more contagious the less pathogenic a virus is. It may take a while for that to happen however, "may", sorry for the caveat.
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20/12/2020 23:09:09 0 0
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Quite possible, but, we should wait for the scientists to confirm.
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x75
20/12/2020 23:13:02 2 0
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I am no expert but reasonably well read and your comment rings true to viral history.
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20/12/2020 23:14:33 0 0
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And your expertise in this field is?

The fact is our economy is being decimated, people are dying and now, we will have food shortages again.
You don’t need to be an expert to see this is all the result of large numbers of the population not act responsibly and thinking it won’t effect them.
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20/12/2020 23:15:01 0 1
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It’s a nice theory. The Black Death probably proves that wrong though.
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20/12/2020 23:15:20 0 0
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Maybe.
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20/12/2020 23:17:14 1 0
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I think you are right. A virus which kills its host is a failure because it can't spread. A successful virus is one that allows its host to continue active and spread. We should therefore look at numbers needing hospital treatment not infection rates.
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20/12/2020 23:19:55 0 0
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Are you a virologist or in any way medically trained?
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20/12/2020 23:25:50 0 0
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Mr big
Thanks for explaining it as you would to a 4 year old..
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20/12/2020 23:27:57 0 0
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I hear what you say about the virus becoming less pathogenic as it mutates. (thumbs up from me) but does that mean the more we play into the viruses survival strategy the less it will harm us if we all just carry on as normal? If so, won't hospital beds fill with folk with underlying conditions... taking away the care needed for other needs.. I'm not playing the Gov blame game just asking
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Since you were so eager to brexit this will be a perfect opportunity Removed
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20/12/2020 23:15:35 0 0
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Will we have any allies at the end of this?
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20/12/2020 22:56:13 14 8
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So when we try and adapt to the virus, the virus just adapts to overpower our measures. When are we going to realise we can't beat nature and try and learn to with it?
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20/12/2020 23:05:51 2 0
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We stay ahead of the flu
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20/12/2020 23:13:50 0 0
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It’s not a one off fight. We develop different vaccines annually for flu. We may do something similar for Covid
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20/12/2020 23:12:44 0 0
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Perhaps you are suggesting that humankind is unable to tackle any medical issues? OK, let's stop all treatments.....doh!
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20/12/2020 22:56:20 21 5
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It seems that we may need to add international lorry drivers to the list of people to be vaccinated first ahead of the over 80’s to ensure that the rest of us don’t start to get a little hungry in month or two when supermarket stocks start to run out.

and like it or not vaccine passport certificates will become necessary to travel abroad.
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20/12/2020 22:54:00 7 15
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The EU is using this as a Brexit exercise.

Look at the EU countries so far that blocked us, most of them are fishing states
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20/12/2020 22:56:36 0 1
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France
Netherlands
Belgium
Italy
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20/12/2020 22:56:40 24 19
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What we do know, is the incompetence of scaremongering tactics by messrs Hancock and Johnson used to cancel Christmas, has backfired by the rest of the world locking us down completely. Looking forward to 2021, key shortages of supplies and tiers 5, 6 and 7 and yet more pointless lockdowns.
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20/12/2020 23:12:23 7 3
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Reporting changes in the virus is newsworthy and not scaremongering. You are like a kid putting his fingers in his ears and screaming “I don’t want to hear this”
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20/12/2020 22:56:42 11 12
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Let's call this variety the London virus just so we know who to blame.
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20/12/2020 22:58:17 2 1
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And you know it originated in London do you ?
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20/12/2020 23:08:15 0 0
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It is already known as the Kent mutation
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20/12/2020 23:08:03 0 0
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So, considering that over half of London's population is foreign born, what you're actually saying is blame the foreigners? That seems a very racist attitude to me.
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20/12/2020 22:54:35 3 14
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What we do know is that it is beyond the ken of this Tory “government” to handle.

Johnson should go & let Gove take over.
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20/12/2020 22:56:50 4 1
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Pathetic. That man just sits on fences shouting abuse. What a joke.
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20/12/2020 22:53:50 12 12
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No dear, it isn't all Boris's fault.
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20/12/2020 22:56:57 4 0
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His handling of it and communication has been abysmal
More interested in being popular than looking at detail and making decisions
He is a waste of space
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20/12/2020 22:54:00 7 15
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The EU is using this as a Brexit exercise.

Look at the EU countries so far that blocked us, most of them are fishing states
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20/12/2020 22:57:18 1 1
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Indeed. It's already in the EU, free movement of people is something they love.
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20/12/2020 22:57:22 8 8
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We need to get the vaccines approved and distributed asap.

As this is basically a War Effort, we should be calling up the armed forces to help with logistics and injections.
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20/12/2020 23:07:54 0 1
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This is not a war effort. Don’t be ridiculous
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20/12/2020 22:51:42 20 15
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What is for certain is, due to bojo and co's complete incompetence from day 1, lockdown will be the norm for months to come
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20/12/2020 22:57:23 5 0
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Cheap shot, the UK has its ups and downs and as such is really no different from other countries across the globe, a few months back some folk were even praising Sweden's approach. It's far too easy to snipe from an armchair without having any direct responsibility to deal with this pandemic.
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20/12/2020 22:57:36 30 10
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Why did the government not anticipate a mass exodus from London’s main railway stations and act to prevent it?

Or, did they just think “let the train take the Strain” spreading the mutant virus far and wide?
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20/12/2020 23:01:20 24 5
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It's about time people took responsibility for their own actions.
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20/12/2020 23:07:25 0 2
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Because the government needed to flee themselves
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20/12/2020 23:12:52 1 0
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Boris should have announced this at 8pm like he did at the Lockdown 1 tv address rather than 4pm. 8pm would have at least stopped a lot of people getting a train or ferry/bus/car.
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20/12/2020 23:07:59 1 1
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how could they act to prevent it ?
It is no against the law to get on a train, although no doubt Whitty is working on it.
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20/12/2020 23:14:34 0 2
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This government are not very good on this anticipation stuff.
They're pretty damn naive at all of the governing sort of stuff.
You might have noticed.
Mind you, can you see anyone that might be better at it??
Well?
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20/12/2020 23:21:02 0 0
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New slogan: ‘Let the train take the new viral strain’
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20/12/2020 23:28:18 0 0
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I bet people in Cornwall and the Cotswolds are fuming about this London exodus - I know I would be, but I don't think they're coming to my unglamourous neck of the woods.
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20/12/2020 23:29:49 0 0
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Agree, and I hope these people are not allowed back into Greater London until we're at least back in Tier 2. If their friends or family tell them they've outstayed their welcome after or 4 weeks, then tough!!
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20/12/2020 23:29:54 1 0
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Should have ringed the m25 with tanks
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20/12/2020 22:51:28 42 10
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If just considering the virus itself, the only thing which really works to contain it, is lockdown. Tiers 1 & 2 are useless, Tier 3 slows it, but doesn't stop the spread, and that's without the latest mutation. But the problem with all these restrictions and lockdowns is that the cure could end up being worse than the illness. Its tough, really tough. Lets look out for one another, please.
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20/12/2020 22:57:57 26 31
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Lockdowns don't work ... the collateral damage to protecting 8m over 75's is ludicrous.
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20/12/2020 23:10:00 6 1
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You are incorrect in your assertion. Look at the stats from the semi-lockdown in November, the situation in terms of infections, hospitalisations and deaths improved. Countries which have locked down the quickest and hardest have generally had better outcomes. The virus thrives on social contact, but so does the economy. Its also a myth to suggest the virus only affects those over 75.
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20/12/2020 23:13:51 4 2
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Compassion by the buckets. And it's not the over 75's. It a lottery you don't want to win.
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20/12/2020 23:14:53 2 3
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I am 100% with you on this and have been saying so for months
Your words are comparable to those of the Nazi party. Removed
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20/12/2020 23:43:32 1 0
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You are probably right but who is going to say to the 8 million your time is up you've had a good innings. It seems that everyone wants to live forever or die in the attempt.
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20/12/2020 22:49:27 11 19
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Well we know that locking down in September like the scientists wanted might have prevented it
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20/12/2020 22:52:34 0 0
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There again, it might not.
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20/12/2020 22:53:03 40 17
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All those people leaving London last night, have brought IT to every doorstep in the UK.
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20/12/2020 23:00:39 14 2
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Many getting a Eurostar too....
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20/12/2020 23:02:21 4 5
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Yer, but they will still blame Boris.
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20/12/2020 23:10:51 5 2
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Yes sadly. When the North was put in Tier 3 you didnt see us getting cars and trains down to London en masse but the selfish bar stewards have done just that. And they will still crow about how the South is better than the North - not in terms of decency and intelligence thats for sure!
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x75
20/12/2020 23:19:18 1 0
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So what, time get get herd immunity before we have a revolution
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20/12/2020 23:25:38 0 0
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Agree: I assume IT means infection transmission here?
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20/12/2020 23:25:50 0 0
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Can't say I blame them, given the paranoia spreading from Government. It's like the last 'copter out of Saigon only "the CV is coming" rather than the "VC are coming."

This virus WILL arrive on your doorstep - shield yourself if you're concerned.
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20/12/2020 23:27:32 0 0
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Good.
The faster we get herd immunity the better.
And the latest update too.
Excellent,
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20/12/2020 22:51:42 20 15
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What is for certain is, due to bojo and co's complete incompetence from day 1, lockdown will be the norm for months to come
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20/12/2020 22:53:48 1 0
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For you, maybe.
Some of us cannot afford to keep subsidising this clackery.
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20/12/2020 22:53:50 12 11
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As we know it is no more harmful than the original and is not new but discovered in September, surely it spreading quickly is a good thing if we want to build up community immunity.
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20/12/2020 23:02:05 3 0
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What immunity? people catch it more than once, also this strain could null the present vaccines.
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20/12/2020 23:07:00 0 1
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I know it’s complete joke I just want to get this illness and see just how bad it is. I be super happy if I had it all this time.
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20/12/2020 23:08:55 1 0
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Need to slow it so that those needing hospitalisation get the treatment they need
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20/12/2020 22:54:37 11 7
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Holidays doesn’t need an apostrophe when it’s plural!
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20/12/2020 23:03:02 1 2
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shut up!
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20/12/2020 22:51:42 20 15
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What is for certain is, due to bojo and co's complete incompetence from day 1, lockdown will be the norm for months to come
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20/12/2020 22:58:12 2 0
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Is he responsible for every country going through the same thing or just this one? Are you aware this is a world wide problem?
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20/12/2020 23:05:22 2 1
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He is responsible for inaction at the start and being in denial for weeks and he is responsible now
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20/12/2020 22:52:39 5 8
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You sad people still trying to make political points, it's no wonder your lot lost the election. Full of hatred, lies and fake news.
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20/12/2020 22:58:16 5 1
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What we know is that we know naff all. But you have to admit that this PM and his shower of dimwits is by far the worst bunch of idiots to have been given the opportunity to lead us through this crisis.
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20/12/2020 22:58:24 9 10
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Why were there any flights to begin with ? The COVID-19 response has been a complete disaster. What you need is 3-4 weeks total lockdown, people not allowed to leave their homes, and disinfecting cities and isolating those who are sick. Its short term pain for long term gain.
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20/12/2020 23:04:42 1 1
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@Rick42. Absolute nonsense, no evidence lockdown works at all. You can't hide from a virus. You should do some research instead of listening to the news.
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20/12/2020 22:55:56 43 13
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Viruses mutate to spread more easily. They become less pathogenic as they adapt to a new host. Think about it. A variant that makes you incredibly ill and bed ridden for two weeks, or one which causes mild illness and allows you to get out and about and interact with other people. Which is more likely to spread? The latter. This is happening now. You watch- guaranteed it is less pathogenic.
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20/12/2020 22:58:30 23 8
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I hope you are right. I’d never heard this before, but because I am a reasonable man, and you wrote it like a decent human being I will happily take your word for it.
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20/12/2020 22:58:40 10 19
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I'll be out and about every day as usual.
I got stocked up on vitamin D in the summer when everyone else was hiding under their beds.
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20/12/2020 23:07:26 2 0
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Irresponsible behaviour
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20/12/2020 22:52:39 5 8
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You sad people still trying to make political points, it's no wonder your lot lost the election. Full of hatred, lies and fake news.
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20/12/2020 22:58:53 6 1
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What is fake? Just statements made in March when Italy was COVID ground zero - the UK was warned and BoJo (like Trump) was in denial. Politicians need to be accountable but never are
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20/12/2020 22:55:26 52 12
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BBC - why did you open HYS on this? No-one with any expertise on the subject will comment and you're just allowing people to stir up hatred.
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20/12/2020 22:59:20 16 5
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Is this your first time on HYS? Hyperbolic click-bait gets lots of comments
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20/12/2020 23:14:20 0 0
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Well said. It’s clearly gonna get some chatter. Well done beeebeeeseeee. Ya not stupid are ya ??
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20/12/2020 22:59:56 6 4
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Well then. We're all f*cked aren't we. :/
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20/12/2020 23:06:39 0 0
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No, we aren’t.

Some maybe.
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20/12/2020 22:54:37 11 9
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If it has been here since September it will already have caused the large rise in cases in Europe.

France shutting the stable door...

...or is this a rehearsal for January 1st?
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20/12/2020 22:59:56 5 3
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No. You’re just wrong
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20/12/2020 22:55:56 43 13
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Viruses mutate to spread more easily. They become less pathogenic as they adapt to a new host. Think about it. A variant that makes you incredibly ill and bed ridden for two weeks, or one which causes mild illness and allows you to get out and about and interact with other people. Which is more likely to spread? The latter. This is happening now. You watch- guaranteed it is less pathogenic.
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20/12/2020 23:00:13 3 2
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Let's hope you are right. It sounds logical. So long as Covid was not man made.
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20/12/2020 22:54:35 3 14
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What we do know is that it is beyond the ken of this Tory “government” to handle.

Johnson should go & let Gove take over.
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20/12/2020 23:00:19 1 0
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You mean like having your hemmorhoids cured only to be told you now have cancer
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20/12/2020 23:00:26 9 8
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Thank you BBC - a very informative article in these uncertain times. Stay safe all.
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20/12/2020 22:54:35 3 14
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What we do know is that it is beyond the ken of this Tory “government” to handle.

Johnson should go & let Gove take over.
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20/12/2020 23:00:29 1 0
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Johnson should definitely go. But Gove? Seriously?!?!
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20/12/2020 22:53:03 40 17
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All those people leaving London last night, have brought IT to every doorstep in the UK.
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20/12/2020 23:00:39 14 2
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Many getting a Eurostar too....
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20/12/2020 23:06:39 4 1
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No they aren’t because France have shit the tunnel
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20/12/2020 23:26:06 0 0
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Even more irresponsible then!
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20/12/2020 22:52:56 42 8
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You’re having an HYS on “new corona variant: what do we know”.

Seriously?
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20/12/2020 23:00:44 19 17
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Well... The WHO has known about this "new variant" since September, where it would appear to have been in relatively common circulation... The "70% more transmissible" has absolutely no science or study to back it up... So, essentially, we ar being lied to, again.
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20/12/2020 23:11:12 2 3
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Yes. By you
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20/12/2020 23:17:26 0 0
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But you love , it you know you love it, otherwise what would you do with your miserable life?
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20/12/2020 23:18:18 1 3
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Within an hour we were told it was 50% more transmissible then went to 70%, .We are being threaded like fools and lied to. Won't be as bad in 2 wks once Christmas over! Do they think we are so gullible?
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20/12/2020 23:24:58 1 0
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Don't be so thick. Or if you want to be thick don't do it in public where other thick people might think you know what you're talking about.
You obviously didn't read the article or look at the charts showing the prevalence of the new strain being less than 0.5% of cases in October.
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20/12/2020 23:27:48 0 1
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Please, behave yourself
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20/12/2020 22:53:17 44 24
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Lockdowns simply aren’t working. Mother Nature is at her finest.
We can’t keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
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20/12/2020 22:54:42 30 14
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10% of people ruin it for the rest.
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20/12/2020 23:07:48 0 1
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5%, 10%, 30%, I see figures thrown out constantly on here over who's ruining what for who.

I think the term is, citation needed.
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20/12/2020 23:24:32 0 0
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Exactly, I couldn't agree more!
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20/12/2020 23:28:57 0 0
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I'm a one in ten !
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20/12/2020 22:54:54 2 2
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I doubt we will ever get the truth , China never mentioned but of course now the major lender other possible culprits not mentioned since February lying incompetent politicians, yup it's quite the mystery.

Best hope to avoid this is to become a politician, celebrity, movie star or millionaire .
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20/12/2020 23:05:20 0 0
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Can definitely seeing this big issue becoming a movie in the next 30 years
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20/12/2020 22:52:37 8 8
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And now we have the Kent mutation that is particularly virulent. Earlier lockdown (with people obeying the rules - instead of HMG’s mealy mouthed “recommendations”) might have prevented it from occurring
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20/12/2020 22:55:35 0 1
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As would tighter borders...
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20/12/2020 22:49:27 11 19
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Well we know that locking down in September like the scientists wanted might have prevented it
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20/12/2020 22:55:45 3 1
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In the last lockdown cases went up, lockdowns do not work to stop the spread they only put the handbrake on while the engine idling.
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20/12/2020 23:01:14 19 15
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Absolute joke, all viruses mutate and this is nothing unusual at all. Just creating more fear to justify their actions and get the naïve population to comply.
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20/12/2020 23:04:31 8 6
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I totally agree there is nothing to be afraid of. Instead we should just continue and stop hiding away as these lockdowns and changes are doing much more damage to us mentally/psychologically then this virus.
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20/12/2020 23:06:08 3 1
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If it is 70% more infectious the only people being naive are people like you
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20/12/2020 23:06:12 1 3
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The fact people mark your comment down shows what we’re up against. People actually believe this nonsense!
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20/12/2020 23:17:39 0 0
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Nothing unusual lol
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20/12/2020 22:52:37 8 8
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And now we have the Kent mutation that is particularly virulent. Earlier lockdown (with people obeying the rules - instead of HMG’s mealy mouthed “recommendations”) might have prevented it from occurring
The kent vesion is scientifically called the rubber dingy variant Removed
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20/12/2020 23:03:55 4 1
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Yes? I heard it was called the Kipper mutation
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20/12/2020 22:57:36 30 10
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Why did the government not anticipate a mass exodus from London’s main railway stations and act to prevent it?

Or, did they just think “let the train take the Strain” spreading the mutant virus far and wide?
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20/12/2020 23:01:20 24 5
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It's about time people took responsibility for their own actions.
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20/12/2020 23:16:14 1 0
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To be fair, most do. Those that don't, though...
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20/12/2020 23:01:58 5 11
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London placed into lockdown at midnight gave them the opportunity to spread the mutation throughout the country as they immediately decided to escape to the countryside. Lockdown should have been immediate, not giving the selfish morons the chance to inflict this on the wider population
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20/12/2020 23:01:58 4 4
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First job is to let all the EU countries imposing UK travel bans that they can't, as there's no control of your borders whilst in the EU.

That's what Nige and the Tories have been saying for over four years, so must be true.
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20/12/2020 23:05:13 2 0
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So much wrong in that
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20/12/2020 23:07:35 0 1
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The EU set the rules which we must obey ; they themselves ignore them. We all know that hence leave won.
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20/12/2020 23:02:07 11 4
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If this was a test to see how nations deal with a pandamic most get an F.
Imagine if this was the bird flu mutation with a 60% kill rate.
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20/12/2020 23:14:31 3 0
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Dead people don't move the virus about as easily. The fact that this virus isn't as lethal makes it more dangerous, because people move about more
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20/12/2020 23:14:40 0 0
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imagine if this was a zombie virus - 28 days later actually did a very good job of predicting a similar pattern as what has happened here; people flee London for the North and the only safe places are the rural areas
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20/12/2020 22:53:03 40 17
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All those people leaving London last night, have brought IT to every doorstep in the UK.
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20/12/2020 23:02:21 4 5
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Yer, but they will still blame Boris.
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20/12/2020 23:06:56 3 3
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Because he is to blame
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20/12/2020 22:52:39 5 8
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You sad people still trying to make political points, it's no wonder your lot lost the election. Full of hatred, lies and fake news.
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20/12/2020 23:02:37 7 1
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What evidence do you have of whom 1963tiger voted for at the election?

"Full of hatred, lies and fake news."

There is no "hatred" or "lies" or "fake news" in the comment you are replying to....

Would you by any chance be Donald Trump's lovechild ?
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20/12/2020 23:03:00 22 13
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Here we go do you believe any thing Boris and his third rate cabinet say. Sorry his credibility has gone.
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20/12/2020 23:06:04 13 5
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He had credibility?
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20/12/2020 23:15:46 4 1
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He never had credibility, he is a bumbling incompetent clown.
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20/12/2020 23:27:10 1 0
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Third rate? Not even thirteenth rate, in my book.
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20/12/2020 23:28:25 0 2
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So we should listen to you? Please explain what exactly your area of expertise is? Do you have a team of the most highly qualified scientists and professors in the UK reporting to you every day? No, I thought not. So do be quiet.
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20/12/2020 23:03:08 1 2
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Never in the history of pandemics have so few owed so much to so many.
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20/12/2020 23:03:17 7 9
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The whole of the UK is paying for the complacency of London and the South East. Now the masses are leaving London crowding into railway stations to spread the virus strains far and wide before the onset of the lockdown.
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20/12/2020 23:05:40 2 0
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Indeed. And why aren't they stopped? Weak government.
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20/12/2020 23:07:08 0 0
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The whole of the UK is paying for the servile gullibility of the north who voted for a lying buffoon with a glib catch phrase. Oh and this variant has nothing to do with peoples behaviour
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20/12/2020 23:07:24 0 1
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I wonder why it was Kent, lets hope Dover and all those lorries coming from Utopia have nothing to do with it.
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20/12/2020 23:16:32 0 0
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Living in Medway, my best advice follows.

CLOSE THE LONDON TERMINUS STATIONS. NOW.

BLOCK THE ROADS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND PUBLIC TRAVEL. NOW.

Why would a Government not do this when over run by an invader?

Unfortunately, political self protection offers our country NO protection.
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20/12/2020 23:03:46 3 2
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I blame Brexit. It's obvious. We've got our "freedom"?? our sovereignty back ?????? and now we've even got our very own unique brand of Covid. ??????. Mind you, it's pretty much certain that it'll be inferior to what we had before.
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20/12/2020 23:10:58 3 1
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If you truly believe any of that, you are not just part of the problem, you are the problem.
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20/12/2020 23:03:53 3 0
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Will be interesting to see what happens 28 days later
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20/12/2020 23:05:34 0 0
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Seen the film
:-)
The kent vesion is scientifically called the rubber dingy variant Removed
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20/12/2020 23:03:55 4 1
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Yes? I heard it was called the Kipper mutation
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20/12/2020 22:55:56 43 13
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Viruses mutate to spread more easily. They become less pathogenic as they adapt to a new host. Think about it. A variant that makes you incredibly ill and bed ridden for two weeks, or one which causes mild illness and allows you to get out and about and interact with other people. Which is more likely to spread? The latter. This is happening now. You watch- guaranteed it is less pathogenic.
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20/12/2020 23:04:05 11 0
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You are broadly correct in that, for a virus, the ideal is to spread as widely as possible through the host population, but without killing its hosts. But a virus has no foresight or intelligence - a more pathogenic strain could arise, which would only eventually be eliminated by killing too many of its hosts. We must not be complacent.
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20/12/2020 23:04:10 5 2
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I'm relieved to see that France is blocking our exports because of the "new" coronavirus. For a moment I thought it was a Brexit negotiation tactic. I'm glad I was wrong.
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20/12/2020 22:56:42 11 12
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Let's call this variety the London virus just so we know who to blame.
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20/12/2020 22:58:17 2 1
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And you know it originated in London do you ?
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20/12/2020 23:01:14 19 15
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Absolute joke, all viruses mutate and this is nothing unusual at all. Just creating more fear to justify their actions and get the naïve population to comply.
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20/12/2020 23:04:31 8 6
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I totally agree there is nothing to be afraid of. Instead we should just continue and stop hiding away as these lockdowns and changes are doing much more damage to us mentally/psychologically then this virus.
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20/12/2020 23:04:34 13 11
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Scaremongering. Pure and simple. The only question is why? Why are they doing this? Is it to scare people into voluntary uptake of the vaccine?
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20/12/2020 23:06:12 9 5
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Yawn...another conspiracy infant
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20/12/2020 23:07:10 1 0
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There are easier ways.
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20/12/2020 23:11:21 2 0
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Not at all. They seem to have forgotten all about other countries blockading us, so I do really think this is serious.
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20/12/2020 23:04:35 15 4
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TBH it doesn't matter how much we know about this virus, what does matter is not having misfits managing the response.
We seem to be world leaders in creating misfits at present all from the same unpleasant strain.
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20/12/2020 23:34:24 0 0
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It doesn’t help that like the government a significant proportion of the British public are selfish, stupid and have no common sense. If they weren’t the virus would be under control. As usual its all about rights and not my responsibilities.
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20/12/2020 22:58:24 9 10
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Why were there any flights to begin with ? The COVID-19 response has been a complete disaster. What you need is 3-4 weeks total lockdown, people not allowed to leave their homes, and disinfecting cities and isolating those who are sick. Its short term pain for long term gain.
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20/12/2020 23:04:42 1 1
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@Rick42. Absolute nonsense, no evidence lockdown works at all. You can't hide from a virus. You should do some research instead of listening to the news.
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20/12/2020 23:19:58 0 0
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Lockdowns absolutely work in suppressing transmission.
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20/12/2020 22:53:17 44 24
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Lockdowns simply aren’t working. Mother Nature is at her finest.
We can’t keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
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20/12/2020 23:04:54 5 1
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Because they’re half hearted lockdowns
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20/12/2020 23:05:09 11 4
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So we are an island and of all places this mutation occurs here - in all the places it could happen in the world. Seems fishy to me.
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20/12/2020 23:09:55 3 2
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We may be an island but we have absolutely no control over, nor knowledge of, who and what has come among us through our open ports, airports, borders and coastlines.
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20/12/2020 23:18:20 0 0
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How can we contain the variant so we can trade?
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20/12/2020 23:30:33 0 0
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Why is it fishy?
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20/12/2020 23:05:10 9 2
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In tier three (as in Kent), we shut pubs etc, but kept schools open. So we would have encouraged any mutant strain of the virus which happened to spread more easily among children.

It will be in interesting to see if schools have been the main source of spread of the new strain.
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20/12/2020 23:01:58 4 4
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First job is to let all the EU countries imposing UK travel bans that they can't, as there's no control of your borders whilst in the EU.

That's what Nige and the Tories have been saying for over four years, so must be true.
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20/12/2020 23:05:13 2 0
bbc
So much wrong in that
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20/12/2020 23:14:36 0 0
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Enlighten me...
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20/12/2020 23:05:13 0 1
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lock step - rockefeller foundation 2010 look it up.
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20/12/2020 22:54:54 2 2
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I doubt we will ever get the truth , China never mentioned but of course now the major lender other possible culprits not mentioned since February lying incompetent politicians, yup it's quite the mystery.

Best hope to avoid this is to become a politician, celebrity, movie star or millionaire .
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20/12/2020 23:05:20 0 0
bbc
Can definitely seeing this big issue becoming a movie in the next 30 years
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20/12/2020 22:58:12 2 0
bbc
Is he responsible for every country going through the same thing or just this one? Are you aware this is a world wide problem?
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20/12/2020 23:05:22 2 1
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He is responsible for inaction at the start and being in denial for weeks and he is responsible now
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20/12/2020 23:03:53 3 0
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Will be interesting to see what happens 28 days later
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20/12/2020 23:05:34 0 0
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Seen the film
:-)
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20/12/2020 23:05:37 5 0
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I wonder where all these “Londoners” are escaping to?
How many are going ‘up north’ I wonder
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20/12/2020 23:03:17 7 9
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The whole of the UK is paying for the complacency of London and the South East. Now the masses are leaving London crowding into railway stations to spread the virus strains far and wide before the onset of the lockdown.
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20/12/2020 23:05:40 2 0
bbc
Indeed. And why aren't they stopped? Weak government.
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20/12/2020 23:05:44 0 1
bbc
Tier 7 anyone?
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20/12/2020 23:05:45 4 4
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Known about in November. Boris and Hancock lying in order to have an excuse . The Lies and half truths make you wonder what the hell is going on. At what point in a corrupt Government do the army step in to protect the people?
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20/12/2020 22:53:50 12 11
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As we know it is no more harmful than the original and is not new but discovered in September, surely it spreading quickly is a good thing if we want to build up community immunity.
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20/12/2020 23:02:05 3 0
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What immunity? people catch it more than once, also this strain could null the present vaccines.
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