Brexit: No trade deal unless 'substantial shift' from EU, UK says
20/12/2020 | news | politics | 11,732
With a decision expected before Christmas, UK sources say it is increasingly likely there will be no deal.
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JHB
20/12/2020 00:06:28 506 231
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It has been clear for a year that this government never had any intention of reaching a deal. Play to the Little Englanders and say it's all the fault of those nasty foreigners.
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20/12/2020 00:13:00 367 390
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Yes , except France has used the negotiatioons to grab UK fish and the EU wants the UK to sign up to an unfair deal on state aid. So the nasty foreigners are being, well, nasty and the reasonable response is go forth.......
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20/12/2020 00:17:43 12 34
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Wow! If you're a patriot what must the other side look like.
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20/12/2020 01:15:51 38 13
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I disagree
They did want a deal, but had unrealistic expectations
They genuinely thought we could have free access for nothing, while protecting our dodgy tax havens and financial opacity
And now, with no Plan B and Trump unfrocked, there is nowhere to run
737
20/12/2020 06:53:19 15 24
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Little england dosent exist, Big UK does though. get in line timmeh.
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20/12/2020 07:05:01 10 5
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Of course the British government want a deal but it has to be fair .....to all!
845
20/12/2020 07:17:27 7 4
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You mean the overwhelming majority?
983
20/12/2020 07:42:29 10 15
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You would rather be ruled by an unelected cabal overseen by a German and french unelected elite? I’d rather have leaders who we can hold to account and vote in or out as we desire.
20/12/2020 09:01:21 9 3
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It has been quite clear throughout the Government wants a deal if not why are they still talking?
20/12/2020 10:09:10 5 3
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You've seen what the French are demanding, right? Actually you probably haven't even bothered to find out
20/12/2020 10:44:02 5 5
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Brexit has got nothing to do with 'nasty foreigners'. It is about not wanting to be tied to the EU as an economic and political institution.
20/12/2020 10:58:31 4 4
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The EU are of course benign and well-intentioned. It is all the fault of those stupid patriotic Brexit voters. Why can't they be sophisticated internationalists like you?
20/12/2020 10:58:53 3 4
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If the Government had no intention of reaching a deal we wouldn't have put forward reasonable terms on which we'd have agreed one. Terms that match the terms lesser economies have already agreed in trade deals with the EU.

If the EU had any intention of reaching a deal they wouldn't be demanding control over UK waters or the ability to impose laws on the UK. Perhaps you should talk to them.
20/12/2020 11:18:13 3 3
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Do you call Americans or canadians or Australians names for having strict immigration rules ,I doubt it !! But anyone who voted for brexit a so called little englander ,pathetic
20/12/2020 11:28:03 2 5
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JHB, Brexiteers aren't little Englanders, after all they have been welcoming every worldwide trade deal done so far.

Your obsession with the EU and your hatred of your own country puts you in a whole new category though. I suspect English or British you don't consider yourself.

Thankfully most remain voters aren't like you, judging by the top voted comment on here.
20/12/2020 11:55:43 0 2
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Where do you live then?.
Removed
20/12/2020 13:27:54 1 2
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No it hasn't, and Euronews points out Germany wants a deal, Macron doesn't as Germany gains and France doesn't - do keep up, read more widely.
Rob
20/12/2020 16:05:27 1 0
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Project Xenophobia was always about little englanders and defied long standing British values from the start.
20/12/2020 17:16:56 0 0
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...and your evidence is?
R1
20/12/2020 17:53:06 0 0
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A bit of a silly statement. You may be a little Englander but most of us aren't.
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20/12/2020 00:06:34 332 150
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The UK still benefits from foreign investment, but this has seen a sharp decline from $101,241m in 2017 to just $59,137m last year.
Meanwhile, financial services firms operating in the UK have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than £1.2tr of assets to the EU.
We need a deal. OK, it'll never be as good as the one we have now, but any deal is better than no-deal.
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20/12/2020 00:10:13 176 305
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hmmm, 59 billion ionvestment seems pretty good. 7.500 employees moving abroad is chicvken feed compare dto 300K peopl moving here every year
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20/12/2020 00:16:28 32 20
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This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, if , 10 years from now, tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live /work in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" its "frugal" royal family, exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 00:55:12 6 16
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No it isn't
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20/12/2020 01:22:50 4 23
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City have a second extension to trade in the EU, assets moved were EU assets or do you think the EU should keep their cash 'offshore' ? The 7500 moving were staff to keep handling the money that moved back onshore, the HQ's remain in London. Unilever close Rotterdam HQ & now in London, then try Nissan's 'plan'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit
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20/12/2020 01:26:42 29 6
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Point well made. When people wrote 350mio on the bus, it was only about 113mio to start with, but people failed to calculate how much foreign money came to the UK because it gave access to a 500mio market. If it halved by now, it is bound to shrink once it happened. The UK never managed to balance books without foreign investments. Keep your eyes peeled.
484
20/12/2020 03:03:49 2 9
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Why are you mentioning Dollar's we deal in Sterling here.
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732
20/12/2020 06:51:54 1 12
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There just moving there to prop up the euro when it folds this time next year.
20/12/2020 10:09:48 0 1
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where did you come up with those figures?
20/12/2020 10:38:00 1 1
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Are you related to Teresa May?
20/12/2020 11:04:29 0 2
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Financial services have created more jobs than have been lost.
20/12/2020 17:41:47 1 0
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Correct but totally lost and wasted on Little England. The orchestrators want us to become a deregulated Little Russia. Dark forces. Ignorant voters.
20/12/2020 22:59:31 0 0
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All for the sake of a few fish you can catch anywhere in the Atlantic.
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20/12/2020 00:06:49 33 35
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Stop the talks now and let's prepare for a No Deal exit. It won't be the end of the World.
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20/12/2020 00:11:01 21 23
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You mean you hope it won't be too bad. How disappointed you'll be.
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20/12/2020 00:41:14 5 2
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We have no time to prepare for a no deal exit.

Johnson will go down in history as the most incompetent PM ever.

Given that he pursued Brexit simply from his narcissistic desire for power, fully aware that it would be a complete disaster, this is actually quite amusing. Shame so many people who voted for him will lose their jobs.
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20/12/2020 00:43:24 5 1
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We were promised a Deal. It shouldn't have had to come to this. And no, the EU is not to blame for this farce.
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20/12/2020 01:07:26 4 1
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Good to see a brexiteer aiming high again.

This would be a great slogan on a bus:

Brexit - it won't be the end of the world.
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20/12/2020 00:09:28 608 220
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...and so we have finally realised that the EU are a competitor as we, courtesy of Brexit voters, have become a third country to them.
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20/12/2020 00:32:31 294 138
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So you too think of the EU as “them” that’s kind of how we got here
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20/12/2020 00:38:44 37 57
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Odd comment, considering their demands include their right to punish us for being more competitive than they could cope with
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20/12/2020 00:54:10 6 19
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zzzzzzz
257
20/12/2020 01:12:22 15 38
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Not quite, we are the only third country who supplies them with global financial services via the City - not daft the EU, once they realised we held all those cards, they just keep giving the City extensions to trade. So we got our cake, all we need is for them to be sensible and they may get a slice of theirs.
20/12/2020 10:06:31 3 6
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Better than being a milch cow. Remember only 2 countries are total nett contributors to the EU - ourselves and Germany.
20/12/2020 10:33:25 4 6
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Until we leave we are the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU and the equivalent in GDP to the smallest 20 countries in the bloc. Subsequently, they are going to have to make up the shortfall in our cash contributions when we have left! No more 'treasure island'!
20/12/2020 10:53:06 3 7
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A free and sovereign country, that does not have to pay billions each year to the EU.
20/12/2020 11:21:36 3 2
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We were before we joined, were right through membership so no change is there, just our sovereignty back.
We have always given more than we gained, were ALWAYS on the outside.
20/12/2020 11:51:16 0 1
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Of course we are not. Get real.
20/12/2020 11:59:20 1 2
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Third World country.
20/12/2020 14:23:09 0 0
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No s**t Sherlock and your point is exactly what?
20/12/2020 15:35:16 0 1
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........and so we have finally realised that the EU are a competitor as we, courtesy of Brexit voters, have become a third country to them.

If only... that's the problem. They still think they are our overlords and wont treat us as an independent nation.
20/12/2020 16:17:37 0 0
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So what I say you’re point?
20/12/2020 17:18:39 0 0
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Tariffs go both ways. I stopped buying EU produce and products when their spite really began to show through. I implore others to find alternatives also. We don't matter to them, and frankly, they don't matter to me. Screw em
20/12/2020 18:01:26 0 0
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WE are now all of us as all of us are outside of the EU what you do now is important than wasting your breathe on past arguments
20/12/2020 18:50:34 0 0
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we are 5th biggest country in the world
20/12/2020 19:05:58 0 0
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YES AND ISN`T JUST GRAND :)
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20/12/2020 00:09:41 755 244
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Even though it will cause major disruption, no deal may be the best outcome for now. After all, if a trade deal is signed in haste, by either side, with little or no scrutiny by either parliament, it could be a bigger disaster than not having one. Resume the talks after six months or so as at least both sides will see the damage inflicted and will come to the table with cooler heads.
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PCS
20/12/2020 00:29:45 574 490
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Folk already living on the breadline will be destitute in 6 months......
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20/12/2020 00:47:37 93 55
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If you fully understood the impact no deal would bring, especially during this Covid recession, you would avoid it at all costs. Going through with it is a disaster in the making and you have been warned countless times.
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20/12/2020 00:47:51 88 31
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I wonder why leave didn't campaign with that message. Probably because, vote for brexit and be somewhat worse of, but maybe we'll get some of it back in the future if we're lucky, just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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20/12/2020 00:51:32 57 29
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Well it will rid us of the clown but it will be very bad on top of covid and its going to be very bad for people on low incomes...
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20/12/2020 02:09:37 47 13
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Yeh right, simple as that? Does your business currently trade with EU?
505
20/12/2020 03:22:58 17 6
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Are you a rich person who can wait for months, many can’t . Wake up to reality for god sake
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20/12/2020 04:18:18 11 13
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EU did scrutinise the deal on the table. They knew what they wanted from the start.
It is The Thing that was shifting around and threatening with the NAVY and to break international laws.
His view was always that, in order to protect economy he must destroy it. Then there will not be anything to protect so he wins.
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Ian
20/12/2020 06:02:48 14 7
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?MASS BREXIT UNEMPLOYMENT ON TOP OF THE COVID JOBLESS

?Shops shelves empty

?The British people conned by clown PM ??
763
20/12/2020 07:00:03 4 12
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The disaster was U.K. joining the E.U. in the first place. We are now leaving and have a chance to negotiate from a position of power in our hands.
964
20/12/2020 07:40:01 5 3
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I don't think the EU will sign in haste as they knowhow the Union works but GB never understood otherwisethis would have been explained in 2016.
20/12/2020 08:48:06 4 5
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I agree with that; WTO rules have prooved their efficiency. To begin with, let's work on that basis and opportunities will show later to find new arrangements.
20/12/2020 09:02:03 5 3
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They’ve had four years. A jingoistic idea from the minds of glory seekers (King of the World springs to mind) has proven divisive, destructive and unachievable.
20/12/2020 09:06:02 6 3
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In haste? Are you kidding me. They've had 4 years. Actually the only viable sensible option is to either extend the transition period or cancel Brexit and come back for another referendum with a deal on the table so people actually know what they are voting for.
20/12/2020 10:02:18 3 3
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Yeah we wouldnt want to rush into to something without thinking it through eh? Err Like Brexit itself which was afterall a hard 'no deal Brexit' afterall - exactly what the fully informed UK population voted for - you couldnt make it up
20/12/2020 10:10:20 3 3
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Yes the result of no deal may wake all the (less say less intelligent) people who wanted out to realise they should have voted in ... I’m guessing the Uk will beg the Eu to be let back in by 2030 if not earlier
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20/12/2020 00:09:50 523 304
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This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, 10 years from now, if tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" it's "frugal" royal family exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 00:12:12 283 111
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You remind me of Fraser from Dads Army - we're doomed!
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20/12/2020 00:14:15 41 36
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actually, I think we will do fine. Lets discuss in 10 years time.
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20/12/2020 00:16:14 43 54
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On the contrary; for the last four years the EU have been showing their true colours, not just with the UK but with Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland & Hungary

Only an undemocratic bad-loser or a Momentum Marxist still thinks that staying in the EU is a good idea
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20/12/2020 00:32:03 30 14
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They said precisely the same when we decided not to join the Euro!
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20/12/2020 00:49:24 31 23
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You mean the car industry that has been leaving for the last 20 years to to eu funding to other countries. Or the expats going to retire in foreign countries taking the uk welfare money and spending it on eu countries. Leaving the eu won't be easy and it's difficult to say what is better in the long run. But taking a deal that means the eu hold control and the uk has no say. Is the worst case.
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20/12/2020 00:53:28 26 37
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Ah, a typical remoaner. Determined we are a pathetic nation who can't stand on our own two feet, conveniently forgetting much non-EU trade currently works perfectly well with tarrifs, blaming lost industies on the EU even though they were lost while we were in the EU, and spouting misinformation that we will not be able to move to EU counties post Brexit.
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20/12/2020 01:03:59 11 5
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It has certainly been a lesson in the use of subterfuge, gas lighting and brainwashing of sections of the UK against a political and economic union of which the UK had some clout.
It odd that some people still believe the lies put across and are very much embedded within their slave mind kowtowing to the very people who positioned them there and are still using them.
483
20/12/2020 03:02:34 11 6
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It is a tragedy. If Scotland pulls away and Ireland unites, England & Wales will be forced back into some sort agreement as the weaker player and history will repeat itself. What an utter waste of time and energy.
638
20/12/2020 05:50:33 5 10
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Actually if you had asked again 10 years after joining I am sure people would have voted leave then by a very sizeable majority
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20/12/2020 06:12:57 7 7
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We leaving the EU not Europe
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20/12/2020 06:48:58 7 13
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If you don't like this country...go live in the E.U.
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20/12/2020 06:50:27 5 8
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Woo think of all the high cost EU cars, Lower cost cars from Japan and USA sound good.
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20/12/2020 07:16:16 5 9
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I have been following the debate on HYS for over four years. In all that time the only mention of 'empire' has been from those who voted Remain.

As for 'car industry gone', how do you know that? There is a market for cars in the UK. Why wouldn't someone decide to supply that market by manufacturing here?

Leaving the EU is not a barrier to living there, provided you have skills they want.
962
20/12/2020 07:39:52 4 11
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You really hate the U.K. don’t you. Oh well, bye.
20/12/2020 08:19:03 3 7
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Goodness, you would think that before the EU we never used to make or export anything anywhere. Tariffs existed then and even now, we still buy and sell stuff to other countries where tariff's apply.

Might be worth a read: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-case-brexiteers-should-make-for-brexit
20/12/2020 09:11:30 7 2
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I cannot wait for the day we rejoin
Joe
20/12/2020 09:26:20 1 5
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Unless rules change in a decade, there is zero reason Brits would not be able to live in Europe.
20/12/2020 10:57:33 0 2
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Where's your proof that we won't be able to live in Europe. You need to stop reading the Beano.
20/12/2020 11:00:20 0 4
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You live in La-La Land.
20/12/2020 11:25:53 1 2
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If you have no respect for our history and culture please go to another country where you believe you will be more comfortable. Before you go check into the history of the Royal Family, Civil List and income tax.
20/12/2020 11:52:28 0 1
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Go and live with your "friends" in Europe. Leave us alone.
20/12/2020 11:57:57 0 1
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No, that was joining that bunch of EU fraudsters in the first place. Look at the history surrounding the early attempts of the UK joining of the EEC in the first place. It's a real eye opener.
20/12/2020 12:29:27 1 0
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The queen has been paying tax on her income for the last 18 years, do try to keep up with the times
20/12/2020 12:55:54 1 0
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I'd give it two years actually!
20/12/2020 13:07:53 0 0
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Cars ... aren't those the things that produce a lot of air pollution etc?
20/12/2020 14:22:43 0 0
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Brits can live in Europe as we do just have to register like any normal person,
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20/12/2020 00:06:34 332 150
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The UK still benefits from foreign investment, but this has seen a sharp decline from $101,241m in 2017 to just $59,137m last year.
Meanwhile, financial services firms operating in the UK have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than £1.2tr of assets to the EU.
We need a deal. OK, it'll never be as good as the one we have now, but any deal is better than no-deal.
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20/12/2020 00:10:13 176 305
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hmmm, 59 billion ionvestment seems pretty good. 7.500 employees moving abroad is chicvken feed compare dto 300K peopl moving here every year
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20/12/2020 00:35:15 34 5
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Over 3 million Britons are employed in the export of goods to the EU.

Factor that in.
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20/12/2020 00:43:56 62 17
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Except those that came in from the EU, were mostly young, hardworking, well-qualified, and paid vastly more into the exchequer than they took out. Indeed, they massively subsidised the former Red Wall voters who jumped ship to BoJo to get Brexit done with his over ready (?) deal. It's funny really ... well all my US, Australian, NZ, Chinese, continental European friends are laughing at idiot UK.
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20/12/2020 01:07:29 55 10
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A person who voted to leave admits it was about immigration - my interpretation of Barton 52's comment. Immigration is required to keep replacement above 2.0 in UK, to run essential public services, to run and grow the private sector and to keep paying the state pension (a subject becoming closer to my heart as the years progress). Voting out of the EU for that reason was deluded nonsense.
510
20/12/2020 03:29:13 8 3
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La la land is calling for you
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VBR
20/12/2020 06:33:43 7 1
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People moving in probably is not the same as jobs moving in.
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VoR
20/12/2020 07:30:10 5 1
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I don't think you understand how much revenue that represents relative to spend.

I suspect it is more than that too. You hear about the large corporate moves but not the drift of many smaller entities that nevertheless generate a lot of value/tax in aggregate.
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20/12/2020 07:41:14 5 6
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Except that the 7,500 leaving are well qualified and highly paid while the majority of the 300,000 who come here are doing minimum wage jobs that we could probably do without.
20/12/2020 09:26:35 7 2
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So if your company lost 50% revenue over 3 years then you'd be happy? 7,500 high skilled & high tax paying educated people who have control ovr their lives swapped for 300k on minimum wage robots sounds a good deal. Delusional comes to mind.
20/12/2020 09:59:43 3 3
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Don't forget all those thousands of Brits in Europe who have retired there - they'll soon be coming back to join us all in the land of unicorns and fairy dust!!!!!
20/12/2020 10:10:16 1 2
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It's OK if the 300K incoming were producers of wealth, but in reality, most of them want to work in the hospitality sector, whereas the 7,500 are high earners.
20/12/2020 11:20:02 0 1
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"compare dto [sic] 300K peopl [sic] moving here every year"

Do you not like the idea of people moving to the UK? Do you think it might be because you're a bigot?
20/12/2020 11:46:33 1 1
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There will be a lot less next year, nothing to come for. Who wants to move to a run down xenophobic dump with no jobs and no money.
20/12/2020 12:17:08 0 1
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Those moving out are on high salaries; those moving in are not.
And halving our inward investment, in a mainly service industry, is good?
20/12/2020 12:58:08 1 1
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British jobs moving abroad. It astonish 's me how thick Brexiteers are. This is devastating to our economy. Do what is right for Britain.
20/12/2020 12:58:51 0 1
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Making up brxi-statistics in your head again, I see.
20/12/2020 18:25:28 1 0
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Most of those 300k coming here are nurses and similar support staff. They won't be coming any more now.
20/12/2020 18:44:52 0 0
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Were you one of them?
20/12/2020 22:25:53 0 0
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NVQ alert.
20/12/2020 23:01:08 0 0
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Good, Brexiteers can't wait to work on the farms and in Care homes.
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20/12/2020 00:06:49 33 35
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Stop the talks now and let's prepare for a No Deal exit. It won't be the end of the World.
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20/12/2020 00:11:01 21 23
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You mean you hope it won't be too bad. How disappointed you'll be.
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20/12/2020 00:11:05 9 15
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What the EU offered, but chose to 'forget':

"From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal.
Much further-reaching on trade, internal security and foreign policy cooperation.
This is a true measure of respect.
And this offer remains in place."

See Donald Tusk/current EU Council president Charles Michel's tweet:
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1047825916905357312?lang=en
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20/12/2020 00:17:54 4 2
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And what about financial services...?
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20/12/2020 00:57:56 1 1
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It is not the EU's fault that you don't understand the terms being offered. They haven't "forgotten" anything.
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20/12/2020 00:11:15 33 30
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Time now to face facts and postpone Brexit until end of the financial year (a tidy ending). Two reasons: we are clearly not prepared for 1 January 2021, and Covid-19 will make things worse before they get better. Time for statesmanship from Mr Johnson.
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20/12/2020 00:32:37 13 4
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Having had 4.5 years to get ready to leave putting the date back by 3 months is hardly going to make any difference in being ready. And that is without the problems us remaining in transition for another 3 months in the EU’s new 7 year budget plan.
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20/12/2020 00:38:15 4 3
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Will the EU have to raise their standards to match the UK's to continue trading with us ?
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20/12/2020 00:49:22 4 1
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That is expecting a lot from Mr Incompetent himself.
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20/12/2020 01:51:27 0 3
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We are fine, uncertainty is the killer, leave now, though I have sympathy for all the German auto workers who may join Barcelona's on the dole, and all the EU fishermen too, still always a silver lining, Nissan opting for Sunderland and filling that gap in the UK market once German imports are priced out of it is good for Sunderland, and Nissan.
507
20/12/2020 03:26:37 0 2
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Brexit has already happened. It happened way back in January. These negotiations are on a potential future trade deal, not on Brexit itself.
20/12/2020 11:52:55 0 0
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Great idea! The UK should stop all payments to the EU whilst the 'negotiations' carry on Ad Nauseum. They might then be incentivised to make progress.
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20/12/2020 00:11:40 110 50
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Bozo & Frost still looking for cake and eat it. They are deliberately pushing for something beyond which can be delivered by the EU so they can have their no deal dreamland. Good-bye to what remains of UK manufacturing. Most normal people will be worse off but those who are part of the chumocracy will make a fortune - reesmog, jenrick and the rest.
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20/12/2020 01:42:43 4 24
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Doesn't look like it to the Guardian, this was before they shut Barcelona

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit
TC
20/12/2020 18:14:45 0 0
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Neo-liberalism is the core evil enabling enrichment of the undeserving and supporting kakistocracy.
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20/12/2020 00:09:50 523 304
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This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, 10 years from now, if tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" it's "frugal" royal family exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 00:12:12 283 111
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You remind me of Fraser from Dads Army - we're doomed!
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20/12/2020 00:38:21 13 8
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We are.
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20/12/2020 00:52:24 6 10
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You remind me of Mainwaring.
767
20/12/2020 07:02:03 0 1
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Dont panic!
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20/12/2020 11:03:39 0 4
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Yes, you are right, it's the Remainer Dad's Army: "We're doomed, you stupid Brexit voters, we're all doomed!"
Or Sergeant Wilson, who thinks he is cut above the rest but is ineffectual.
20/12/2020 12:57:46 1 0
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You remind me of a Brexit voter whose frame of reference is...errr.. Dad's Army.
And more worryingly, you think that is enough to understand the world you live in!
20/12/2020 13:13:25 1 0
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We are !
All of those undemocratic bad-loser Remoaners who side with a foreign power against their own country

There is a word for that (it begins with 'T'), but if you type it on HYS then it is guarenteed to be deletion by the 'impartial' moderators
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20/12/2020 00:26:41 5 3
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Are you referring to the half of the UK that had enough education to not get their information just from the Murdock papers.
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20/12/2020 00:37:22 2 2
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The only traitors here are the people who have messed up our young people's future, by pursuing their silly fantasies of grandeur (based on a myth of empire, which actually haemorrhaged cash, was based on racism, and made the British hugely hated across the globe). Dealing with a young British colleague now, who is just about to lose a brilliant contract thanks to Brexit. Wonderful.
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20/12/2020 00:06:28 506 231
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It has been clear for a year that this government never had any intention of reaching a deal. Play to the Little Englanders and say it's all the fault of those nasty foreigners.
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20/12/2020 00:13:00 367 390
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Yes , except France has used the negotiatioons to grab UK fish and the EU wants the UK to sign up to an unfair deal on state aid. So the nasty foreigners are being, well, nasty and the reasonable response is go forth.......
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20/12/2020 00:36:28 39 14
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‘to grab UK fish’ that you don’t eat. Without a deal who will you sell them to?
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20/12/2020 00:45:44 39 19
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Oh dear. People defending their economic interests rationally. What a great difference from the UK, sabotaging its own economic interests irationally.

Oh, and British fishermen don't want to fish: hence all the sold quotas.
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20/12/2020 01:23:14 31 9
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Small-minded populism.
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20/12/2020 04:41:02 24 9
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Fish fish fish fish fish! Who cares about the fish!? It is small fry (see what I did there) we’re screwed. You think covid is bad..... just wait...
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20/12/2020 05:30:17 22 7
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I wonder if the fish realise that they are British
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20/12/2020 06:41:35 9 7
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You forgot to add the £1 billion per month it has cost us to talk to them
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20/12/2020 10:05:46 12 6
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What "unfair deal", they are just using their massive combined strength to protect the health, wealth and welfare of all EU citizens, the whole point of the EU existing and something we used to benefit from until 17 million idiots voted for this madness.
20/12/2020 10:22:43 3 3
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I didn’t realise that fish had a nationality. Thought they were free to swim wherever they like.
20/12/2020 12:55:06 3 1
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You ain't in the EU now, so this is what competing against an infinitely stronger economic entity looks like. Get used to it. France, EU, same thing! Have you still not grasped that, Brexit boy?
20/12/2020 13:12:56 3 1
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This obsession with fish is moronic - 55% of British fishing quotas are owner by foreign companies and 90% of fish caught in British waters is exported with fishing amounting 0.12% of the national GDP.
20/12/2020 15:12:10 1 1
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You forget Boris Johnson tried to go for No Deal in Sept of last year by proroguing Parliament, way before there was a Withdrawal Agreement in place. To harp on about France now is lame when your Dear Leader still seems hell-bent on turning this country into a little blip on the map. And, hallelujah!, on top of that he has Covid to mishandle now. He'll be such a success!
20/12/2020 16:51:57 0 0
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Execpt they haven't - you'll find we sold lots of the rights.
ken
20/12/2020 16:52:43 0 0
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Grab what they have already purchased? But refuse to give back ? We could of course always buy them fishing rights back!
20/12/2020 17:00:35 0 0
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Uk fish? You mean Uk waters. Much of the fish moves into and out of our waters. Anyway, the EU is not saying we can’t control our waters and do what we like with the fish that we can net, it is saying if we want to sell it to the EU we have to share the resource. We either catch less because we have to let French trawlers in or catch less because there’s nowhere to sell it.
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20/12/2020 17:55:44 0 0
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It is difficult to see the French as being trustworthy. De Gaulle wasn't in the 1950s . Macron clearly isn't in the 2020s.
20/12/2020 18:19:33 0 0
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What's your point of repeating the same old lies of grabbing "UK" fish (do they have UK stickers on their back?) and "unfair deals on state aid"?
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20/12/2020 00:13:19 12 26
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It has been clear for a year the EU never had any intention if reaching a deal. Play to Mrs Merkel and say its all the fault of those nasty Brits.
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20/12/2020 00:34:38 6 4
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Er ...

Play to Mr Johnson and say it is all the fault of those nasty Germans/French/foreigners.

So dim really of the Brexiteers ever to promise a deal. 'They want to sell us their cars ...' Not at any price, not at the cost of principles of decency and fair dealing.

Boris and his mates thought they were playing poker. Actually, they were playing with our lives.
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20/12/2020 00:36:00 3 1
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The UK left the EU not the other way round....you’ll end up being one of the most isolated countries in the world...good luck with that
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20/12/2020 01:04:35 4 1
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What is wrong with you? Their position has been the same since the start. It is not the EU's fault for us making ridiculous demands.
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20/12/2020 00:14:04 1177 554
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To be fair to the EU, they have been forthright from the start. There are two way to gain access to the single market.
1. Abide by the EU rules
2. Tariffs are applied to your goods and services.
This has never changed throughout the whole negotiations.
The UK gov know this. But will play a bit of theater to make it seem to the brexiteers that they are trying. After all, you know what you voted for
forthright my a'/' Removed
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20/12/2020 00:33:49 86 71
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Unless you are Canadian
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20/12/2020 01:06:52 154 248
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MX the EU is a totalitarian state trying to impose it authority on a potential friend and customer. Hardly forthright, more like bullying.
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20/12/2020 01:16:40 91 85
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True, they didn't even bother discussing finance, they just told the City to keep on trading in the EU, ie the area we have a trade surplus with the EU. Then again, it was that or the EU's banking system collapsing, beggars can't be choosers. Now they haggle over trade, the sector they have a surplus with us. Interesting, they'll sacrifice Germany's workers to keep face.
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20/12/2020 01:34:22 119 92
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This is the exact same comment you posted before..

1. Abide by what rules? They expect the uk to change their rules whe the EU does. No other trade deal has this.

State aid rules....ah but they don't apply if its money the commission gives out?

Fish, ok give us your wine. I mean come on your arguments are absurb....
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20/12/2020 01:42:53 105 147
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To be fair to the UK we have been forthright from the start. There are 2 ways for the EU to gain access to our market.
1. Abide by our rules
2. Tariffs are applied to EU goods and services coming into the UK.
The EU know this but want their cake and eat it as well - because without us their ponzi scheme falls down.
Too right we know what the majority voted for.
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20/12/2020 01:43:13 95 40
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With a no deal, the EU will put tariffs on the UK product while the UK will put tariffs on the EU product.
Very fair and very reasonable and a good incentive for UK manufacturing.
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20/12/2020 01:45:51 31 48
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Everyone has access to the so called single market. The cowardly protectionists just put little tariffs on stuff going into it. No big deal. I do not understand remoaners still acting and talking on behalf on the enemy. Why still put the empire interests first. Everyone knows they are in the wrong.
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20/12/2020 02:14:47 37 41
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Forthright from the start?

Tusk and Davis agreed as Canada +++, but the EU reneged.

Hardly 'forthright from the start'.
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20/12/2020 05:20:09 32 21
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And so have the UK... we control our waters not the EU. The problem is the EU aka France, won't budge on this issue but it will bite the EU in the behind...
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20/12/2020 05:31:22 35 33
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Why should this country be fair to the EU? When have they been fair to us during these talks? They want us to back down on everything to show any other country who may wish to leave the EU how hard it will be if they chose freedom rather then staying inside the EU
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20/12/2020 07:12:32 20 17
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The EU is applying different rules to the UK from the rules they apply to Canada. This is because they regard the UK as more of a threat. In other words, it would be easier to smuggle illicit goods into the EU from the UK than it would be from Canada. This tells me that the UK is going to do very well outside the EU. We will be buying goods which are better value than their EU equivalents.
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20/12/2020 07:28:27 20 14
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'If we left the EU, we would end this sterile debate, and we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by “Bwussels”, but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and under-investment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure.' Boris Johnson 2013
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20/12/2020 07:31:24 4 5
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And for the Eu to access U.K. market, they have to what?
20/12/2020 07:45:39 19 13
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so why are the EU still negotiating at this late stage when the UK is a small failing country with no importance?
20/12/2020 07:47:55 5 4
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This has been true since day one.
20/12/2020 07:49:03 14 11
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They done nothing but issue threats all along
20/12/2020 08:03:51 19 14
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‘To be fair?’ There is no ‘to be fair’ about this. A Franco German controlled cartel, wants to determine a sovereign state’s waters, fishing quotas, industrial competitiveness and have any dispute decided upon by its courts, who will seek to promote its interests.

There is absolutely nothing fair about this and no country’s people would or should allow this occupation by stealth. It’s WTO now!
20/12/2020 08:45:13 3 7
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Except now they've introduced a third, play by many of the EU rules for FTA access. Did you miss that?
20/12/2020 08:45:17 4 6
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And that is why we are leaving.
20/12/2020 09:02:27 11 7
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Exactly. Love the headline "No trade deal unless 'substantial shift' from EU, UK says". Why on earth should the EU shift anything? We chose to leave and now the PM et al are trying to get them to change their rules (that cover 27 other countries) to accommodate us. If it were not so serious it would be comical, but the PM and his cronies are trying to spin the blame onto the EU. It will not wash.
20/12/2020 09:07:33 7 5
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Well said. The EU isn't being stupid or pedantic, it's doing what is right for them. No-one can blame them for that. But our wonderful governments have had over 4 years to sort this... I bet if we took a referendum today, we'd stay in anyway!
20/12/2020 09:11:29 3 6
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And the EU new from the start what the British government wanted. So why are the EU still trying to negotiate a deal, perhaps they still need our money and resources.
20/12/2020 09:23:20 2 5
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We have not applied to join the SM. Canada and Japan are not in the SM yet have trade agreements. A trade agreement is what we are after. The EU want more than a trade agreement usually has because they are afraid of us on the edge of their market. They are y
trying to control us but at the same time have access to us where they do 25% of their trade.
True they have stuck with their line.
20/12/2020 09:26:20 3 6
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Quite simply the EU really fears the UK being a low regulation competitor on their door step... then that's what we should become.
20/12/2020 09:27:09 0 5
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To be fair
1 abiding by EU rules means we don’t control OUR own country
2 putting tariffs on makes no sense we put tariffs on them they put tariffs on us the only people that loose is the consumer.
20/12/2020 09:36:33 3 5
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Yes we voted Out, No deal, Simple. Then if they want to negotiate a free trade deal fine, start from the beginning which was what was the original plan the common market. its not difficult.
20/12/2020 09:47:00 2 2
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I agree. EU rules and negotiation position is quite simple and even Boris Johnson should be able to understand it.
But what UK did negotiate last year then?
20/12/2020 09:58:18 3 5
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Absolute rubbish, why should we obey EU rules... those rules are designed to tie us to the EU forever, they make us unable to agree trade deals with other nations unless the EU rules are followed, no thanks...
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20/12/2020 00:09:50 523 304
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This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, 10 years from now, if tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" it's "frugal" royal family exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 00:14:15 41 36
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actually, I think we will do fine. Lets discuss in 10 years time.
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20/12/2020 00:25:57 37 19
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Nissan will problay leave Sunderland that voted to leave
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20/12/2020 01:47:04 11 6
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If you think that, then you are not in any important line of work (especially in those directly affected), or you simply don't understand what a No Deal Brexit entails. Either way, your opinion is irrelevant because of your ignorance.
20/12/2020 12:09:59 0 0
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or 50 years.
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20/12/2020 00:14:15 105 40
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How would they recall Parliament to vote on "a deal" when London is in Tier 4?! . . .
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20/12/2020 00:28:24 125 7
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Easily as tier 4 does not stop you travelling to work nor being in work although if you can work from home you are supposed to do so.
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20/12/2020 01:51:50 9 1
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same as they have during past lockdowns.
Combination of essential workers and remote working.
20/12/2020 08:01:51 4 7
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Maybe that the new Covid Strain is a ruse just made up by Boris for Brexit?
20/12/2020 10:25:23 2 1
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They are travelling to work. That’s allowed.
20/12/2020 11:31:47 0 1
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They are our Masters, they can do things we mere lowly plebs can't. Just tug your forelock and bow your head as they pass.
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20/12/2020 00:14:28 552 145
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Still, the NHS could really use an extra £350 million a week right now.
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20/12/2020 00:32:21 363 86
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I think they are getting 500 million a day currently
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20/12/2020 00:43:26 41 3
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300 billion so far this year trying to protect the NHS. That's about 7.5 billion a week.
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20/12/2020 01:09:57 13 20
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Why, they have closed down to anything but covid, and that so far isn't killing millions, at least not according to Euromomo or UK Govt stats.
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20/12/2020 01:12:41 56 19
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Our exit cost as much as the contributions we paid the last 47 years. Seems the NHS has to wait 50 years to get it's Brexit benefit
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20/12/2020 01:15:03 16 36
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Is that in addition to the extra £1 billion a week they are receiving to fight Covid? In which case, no deal will do nicely thank you.
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20/12/2020 01:45:14 35 17
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I’m a fruit & veg trader. I pay £350 / month for a pitch at my local high street market. If I let my pitch go & stopped paying, I’d be £350 / month better off.
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20/12/2020 01:50:28 33 22
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My guess would be Brexit reduces NHS funding rather than increases it. Time will tell.
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20/12/2020 02:35:08 26 9
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jasonito replied:
My guess would be Brexit reduces NHS funding rather than increases it. Time will tell.
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It’s a statement of the obvious that a smaller weaker WTO economy will mean less money for the NHS than would have been the case had we not left the EU.

But no matter, Farage has made himself personally a great deal of money at the expense of the British people.
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20/12/2020 05:47:03 9 8
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How ever much money you gave to the NHS it will never be enough
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20/12/2020 05:59:23 9 26
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Still using that old nugget.... You do realise they never implied the £350m would go to the NHS?
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20/12/2020 06:33:20 3 15
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Then some of the £1 billion a month paid to the eu while we continued these fruitless negotiations could have been given to them
20/12/2020 08:29:13 12 3
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As we have since been told that was just another lie, just a marketing slogan to fool people, and it worked. There is no extra cash - £200bn + costs just to make brexit happen.
20/12/2020 09:10:32 3 5
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The NHS needs managing, not more money. Talk to any nurse or doctor and they will tell you that. The hospitals can't even access each others patient records. Mt wife went to hospital and our GP had to wait for the report by POST before she could comment. Either way, it isn't we're saving £50 million a week because of our rebate and we'll need that for the extra customs staff etc. Stop pretending!
20/12/2020 09:11:30 1 7
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We are still paying it to the EU
20/12/2020 09:15:53 2 7
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No they don’t the money wasted by trusts on over the top wages and some incompetent staff is a disgrace. And please don’t tell me they all do a great job as some are just useless
20/12/2020 09:18:22 1 10
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It's a shame that money needs to be passed through the greasy hands of EU bureaucrats, they aren't the swiftest of decision-makers are they.
20/12/2020 09:33:37 11 2
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Maybe Jacob Rees-mogg’s company could pay some tax then?
RM
20/12/2020 09:45:54 11 1
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Thank you!
You are one of a few people who recall this correctly.
'an EXTRA £350 million a week' and not £350 million a week
20/12/2020 10:52:01 0 3
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So could the afflicted EU, but they will have to do without our massive contributions.
20/12/2020 11:23:56 2 7
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At no time did any person promise 350m to the NHS each week. This was a media lie which remainers push as fact. Once again a media lie is used as truth by remainers. Two different comments were spliced together by the media to give them a piece of nonsense which continues to be spread by remainers
20/12/2020 11:50:38 0 1
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It didn't say that. Read it again.
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20/12/2020 00:14:53 48 37
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Not extending the transition period, in light of an unpredictable pandemic that alone poses a grave risk to our economy, is irresponsible. What does it matter if we stay a few months longer?
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20/12/2020 00:19:07 53 56
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Because it's time to leave.

It's already dragged on for far too long.

I know rejoiners would love us to stay in the transition period indefinitely but we have to move on now.
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20/12/2020 01:32:17 4 6
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No it isn't every business tells you it is the uncertainty that is the issue, so we leave, deal or no deal no extended transition, and anyway German auto companies are now squealing, as the French know, at least according to Euronews the other week. Beaune effectively called the Germans liars saying they say no compromise while ready to do anything for a deal. You ought to read more widely.
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20/12/2020 00:16:00 10 14
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London in Tier 4

parliament cannot debate or vote on Extension

parliament cannot debate or vote on trade deal with the EU

Luck or Devine intervention
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20/12/2020 00:20:03 18 5
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Ever heard of zoom?
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20/12/2020 00:25:40 4 4
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Divine
20/12/2020 11:43:07 0 0
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Don't be silly.
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20/12/2020 00:09:50 523 304
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This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, 10 years from now, if tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" it's "frugal" royal family exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 00:16:14 43 54
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On the contrary; for the last four years the EU have been showing their true colours, not just with the UK but with Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland & Hungary

Only an undemocratic bad-loser or a Momentum Marxist still thinks that staying in the EU is a good idea
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20/12/2020 00:53:15 12 9
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Lols, there's none so blind as will not see.
20/12/2020 12:11:52 1 0
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So you think we should stay?
As neither the Ref nor the last election were democratic.
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20/12/2020 00:06:34 332 150
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The UK still benefits from foreign investment, but this has seen a sharp decline from $101,241m in 2017 to just $59,137m last year.
Meanwhile, financial services firms operating in the UK have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than £1.2tr of assets to the EU.
We need a deal. OK, it'll never be as good as the one we have now, but any deal is better than no-deal.
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20/12/2020 00:16:28 32 20
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This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, if , 10 years from now, tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live /work in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" its "frugal" royal family, exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 05:31:42 4 12
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If it means things built in the UK become cheaper compared to importing from the EU then the companies will build them here.
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JHB
20/12/2020 00:06:28 506 231
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It has been clear for a year that this government never had any intention of reaching a deal. Play to the Little Englanders and say it's all the fault of those nasty foreigners.
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20/12/2020 00:17:43 12 34
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Wow! If you're a patriot what must the other side look like.
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20/12/2020 01:57:42 31 13
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Patriots don't vote to place economic sanctions on their own nation. Evidently, you are not one.
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20/12/2020 00:11:05 9 15
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What the EU offered, but chose to 'forget':

"From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal.
Much further-reaching on trade, internal security and foreign policy cooperation.
This is a true measure of respect.
And this offer remains in place."

See Donald Tusk/current EU Council president Charles Michel's tweet:
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1047825916905357312?lang=en
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20/12/2020 00:17:54 4 2
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And what about financial services...?
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20/12/2020 00:19:06 5 8
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the exchequer needs that £30 to £40 billion P/A on EU goods imported in to the UK
more than ever now
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20/12/2020 00:21:18 1 3
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They don't, they can print more anytime they want.
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20/12/2020 00:14:53 48 37
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Not extending the transition period, in light of an unpredictable pandemic that alone poses a grave risk to our economy, is irresponsible. What does it matter if we stay a few months longer?
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20/12/2020 00:19:07 53 56
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Because it's time to leave.

It's already dragged on for far too long.

I know rejoiners would love us to stay in the transition period indefinitely but we have to move on now.
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20/12/2020 00:25:02 14 12
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See a grown up would say extend it but nope not "brexiteers" bunch of clowns all of you
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20/12/2020 00:31:57 10 8
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We'll be back soon as a Norway BRINO with no influence. So patriotic, the Breixteers: making us worse off, making us internationally irrelevant, and undermining key sectors of the health service (which need EU labour). Deary me. Bit silly really.
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20/12/2020 00:32:12 9 4
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Good luck with that, arrogance knows no boundary when it comes to the foolish British
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MX
20/12/2020 00:14:04 1177 554
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To be fair to the EU, they have been forthright from the start. There are two way to gain access to the single market.
1. Abide by the EU rules
2. Tariffs are applied to your goods and services.
This has never changed throughout the whole negotiations.
The UK gov know this. But will play a bit of theater to make it seem to the brexiteers that they are trying. After all, you know what you voted for
forthright my a'/' Removed
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Tim
20/12/2020 04:34:07 25 8
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What was it you didn't understand cos I'd say the EU has barely shifted from start to finish. They are not hard to work out.
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20/12/2020 07:05:47 4 3
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"forthright my a'/' "

It has just been explained to you and the best you can come up with is this.
20/12/2020 08:21:46 5 2
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Clueless post.
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20/12/2020 00:16:00 10 14
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London in Tier 4

parliament cannot debate or vote on Extension

parliament cannot debate or vote on trade deal with the EU

Luck or Devine intervention
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20/12/2020 00:20:03 18 5
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Ever heard of zoom?
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20/12/2020 00:20:08 1559 133
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Whatever the outcome of the talks, we should not be blaming or gloating others with differing opinions on the matter.

Instead we must voice opinion towards the politicians responsible, who are supposed to act in our interests. A divided society driven by hostility towards others is in none of our interests.
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20/12/2020 00:48:47 503 57
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One of the simplest and best analyses of the entire situation.
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20/12/2020 02:05:04 33 7
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There are a couple of communities among us right now who are intrinsically driven by hostility. What happens when the masochist meets the sadist?
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20/12/2020 02:31:39 53 20
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Too late mate. Too late by far. The seeds were sown back in the 80s.
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20/12/2020 02:46:36 134 141
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It is unfortunately not as simple as that. It is very difficult to compromise with the illiterate. Almost as if Brexiteers speak an entirely different/alien language compared to the rest of the globe.
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20/12/2020 06:00:12 81 20
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Your post suggest Tory politicians, which is not right.. I would say politicians from ALL sides. All have stood, not on solidarity and a spirit of coming together for the common good, but on party lines, playing politics, divided, whilst we look on, watching them squabble and bicker like kids in a playground. (SNP, Labour, Tories, LD and others) pathetic, embarrassing display to the UK and EU.
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20/12/2020 06:10:34 121 71
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But although I desire the best outcome, I *do* blame others. I blame Cameron for letting the mess happen, I blame the nationalist rabble-rousers like Farage, I blame the incompetents like Johnson who jumped on the bandwagon for personal gain, and above all I blame the people who voted for this disaster. Whether they were motivated by folly or malice I still do not understand.
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20/12/2020 06:15:39 26 25
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So rather than holding "all the cards" we relied on our trump card, Fishing. However leaving it until the last card played when we are losing was a mistake. It we had led with our trump card rather than the joker we might be in a different position now
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20/12/2020 06:39:15 71 28
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A society divided by Farage and the ERG.
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20/12/2020 06:47:19 23 4
bbc
If anyone think that these people are working for the interests of the people must be coming from another planet.

Are not all government's and heads in power visible or not always driving divisions between people , its been going on forever.
740
20/12/2020 06:54:06 17 6
bbc
Well said... It's a pity that some will be unable to heed your advice though.
Except you're english. You live for petty anger and judgement. Removed
755
20/12/2020 06:58:14 30 13
bbc
Absolutely spot on. There's been division in this country for far too long. We should be looking at why we're in a mess and working towards making Britain fit to live in. Until peoples attitudes change beyond those they were brought up with we will be stuck in this hiatus. The two main political parties are the main cause of division in this country, we need a new approach using the best of both.
791
20/12/2020 07:07:35 38 51
bbc
We can blame many factors for brexit but it’s happening so now we just need to move on. If EU goods go up we buy cheaper elsewhere, as we did before the Lisbon treaty. Time to move on
797
20/12/2020 07:08:45 38 6
bbc
I have to say it does come down to politicians nothing more nothing less.

The real elephant is Scotland, if they do leave the Union they take their fish with them, and every argument Boris uses against the EU will come back to bite the English government, and if there is an indy ref 2 and its won by a small amount Scotland will be independent using English conservative standards to referendums.
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VoR
20/12/2020 07:15:49 24 8
bbc
Some politicians are at fault, but it is the job of the electorate to understand the issues fully of voting on them, and hold politicians accountable for their lies.

Instead we have people that believe politicians who offer solutions that won't help, and then change their position to support those politicians rather than admit that got conned.
847
20/12/2020 07:18:06 12 8
bbc
Excellent view 480.
"we must voice opinion towards the politicians responsible"
The problem we have .is that all of them are punching way too high, they are just not qualified for how we think of their responsible jobs.
ie,,,Boris U turns on the obvious xmas 5 day disaster in just 3 days blaming it on "new"(lol) evidence .
We will hear how much that has cost in the next few days -plus emotional
861
20/12/2020 07:20:50 15 12
bbc
What utter tosh,someone voted the 'responsible politicians' into power with a clear mandate.The public gets what the public wants.
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Raj
20/12/2020 07:26:09 25 24
bbc
Time for everyone to come together and buy British. It will be good for our economy and the environment.
921
20/12/2020 07:33:02 32 19
bbc
No, if you're a Brexiter then you deserve all you're going to get when the UK becomes a 3rd world country: The sick man of Europe, remember that? But don't come crying. If you're a remainer like me, then I feel sorry for you, but we will never go in for that one country, one people, one leader lark
955
20/12/2020 07:39:00 20 31
bbc
Blame Major and Blair who signed away sovereignty without ever seeking the people’s thoughts.
20/12/2020 07:54:31 4 18
bbc
Of course we should gloat. It was the appeasers who got us into this situation in the first place. History is written by the victors and decent reasonable people become enslaved.
20/12/2020 07:55:08 24 4
bbc
It was referendum, every individual who voted is responsible for their vote.

You can not blame others for the mistakes you have made
20/12/2020 08:08:39 12 35
bbc
The Remain side have simply refused to accept the referendum result. This is why we are where we are.
One only has to observe the frothing pro-EU lunatics on Twitter to see where the problems are.
20/12/2020 08:20:50 23 3
bbc
With First Past the Post, a divided society is in the interests of politicians who in 2019 were put into power with an 80 seat majority by the votes of 29% of the electorate. We need proportional representation so the Commons represents all the people.
20/12/2020 08:23:26 14 1
bbc
The high volume of intransigent and not very bright comments that typify forums like this serves to indicate why we will continue to have a divided society for the foreseeable future. Left/right, Brexit/Remain, white/BAME, haves/have-nots. Human nature is inherently tribal and the nirvana of everyone working harmoniously together for the common good is unfortunately a pipe dream.
20/12/2020 08:24:30 17 6
bbc
Nice idea but Boris is too divisive himself to achieve that. Throw Cummings into the mix and it just gets worse. For many the lies that were told to achieve brexit will never be forgotten. We are as divided as America.
20/12/2020 08:34:08 25 7
bbc
80 to 90 percent of the students graduating from university (OUR FUTURE) are against Brexit. Why not be honest and write what you mean, which is: "SUCK IT UP YOU YOUNGSTERS"

How can you expect not to have a divided society when the old people are designing a UK that is not for them.
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20/12/2020 00:20:25 22 17
bbc
Just like Boris Promised.... WE ARE OUT..........My New year pressie. to you all......unemployment., Austerity, fantastic new prices on your food bills up only. around 20%.......enjoy I have given you what you voted for as promised on my big Bus......mmmm Happy New Year....Love Boris XOX
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DAB
20/12/2020 00:21:09 11 27
bbc
Roll on the 1st of Jan.
The sun will rise, and the hysterical panic stricken doom merchants will breath a sigh of relief as life goes on.
Or as many predict, they will do their upmost to try turn any progress into disaster so they can say I told you so.. :)
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20/12/2020 01:00:45 1 1
bbc
Deer in the headlights.
316
20/12/2020 01:26:48 3 1
bbc
In order to turn progress into disaster there'd need to be progress first. I'm still waiting for a brexiteer to demonstrate where we'll be able to progress once the transition period ends.
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Den
20/12/2020 00:22:12 53 15
bbc
After all the EU talk of not being allowed to cherry pick. Funny really
157
20/12/2020 00:48:39 37 16
bbc
What it? Have you actually read the article? I know it's not a three word solgan, but you could still make an effort.
34
20/12/2020 00:22:52 21 23
bbc
Please explain how ignoring the result of a free & fair democratic, referendum which you actually voted in, and siding with a foreign power against your own country is being 'patriotic'?

Sounds more like treason to me!

You didn't even take the opportunity to vote Lib Dem & 'cancel Brexit' last December

Instead you voted for a feckless Marxist

How is that 'patriotic'?
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20/12/2020 00:28:21 9 8
bbc
Free & fair??? Oh that's just hilarious!!!!!??
48
20/12/2020 00:29:33 5 3
bbc
Oh dear.

Siding with sense and decency IS patriotic.

I love my country, which means I don't want to see it turned into an impoverished, laughing stock, pariah, which is what Johnson is doing with the support of the Breixteer minority (economically illiterate, monoglot, obtuse). We shall be in an appalling position due to bigotry, lies, and BoJo's narcissistic power hunger. Ho, hum.
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20/12/2020 00:37:07 1 5
bbc
The referendum was a joke. An entirely unsuitable binary choice, advisory only, lacking the requisite supermajority to give it any standing. And hijacked by outright lies and unchecked claims. Some warped version of democracy. Little wonder so many have no respect for the outcome.
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20/12/2020 00:24:37 20 11
bbc
There is a fundamentally different set of circumstances between wanting access to the single market and being part of it. The UK made it clear months ago that it wanted the former. This fact seems to have escaped the minds of many on this HYS as their comments reveal!
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20/12/2020 00:55:36 25 11
bbc
What? So we can leave the club, have no responsibilities ref maintaining & improving standards and be abke to undercut them within their own market? Bozo negotiates like the entitled etonian he is!
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20/12/2020 00:24:57 17 22
bbc
Most people expected a deal would be possible. But the EU are not acting rationally. It is cutting off its nose to spite its face. More fool EU!

I'm very happy. Why should we pay for the 'benefit' of being the EU's best customer? It should be the other way round.

No deal is the cleanest, cheapest option.

We will be free to go our own way. Build up our fish stocks, conservation not exploitation.
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20/12/2020 00:32:17 5 7
bbc
Has anyone told UK fishermen they won't be able to catch as much as they want & that they"ll be getting less money as prices fall???
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20/12/2020 00:38:41 2 1
bbc
You really have no idea what a No Deal Brexit entails do you? No benefits to it what so ever, and if you still don't understand by now years after 4 and a half then you never will. Disgraceful levels of ignorance and malice on your part.
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20/12/2020 00:41:11 3 1
bbc
You do know we have spent £200 billion for our EU membership over a 45 year period?
For that we got access to world's biggest market.
So far we have spent £215 billion on brexit preparations - still aways to go on that and our economy will suffer -already 4% per annum by leaving EU, another 2% per annum on top if we leave with no deal. Sovereignty gone mad
20/12/2020 12:02:26 0 0
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Quite agree ewan london. If you decide to buy from a shop and pay for the goods why would you accept that the shopkeeper can add on a huge tip of his choosing everytime and to pay for several other customers shopping to boot?
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20/12/2020 00:19:07 53 56
bbc
Because it's time to leave.

It's already dragged on for far too long.

I know rejoiners would love us to stay in the transition period indefinitely but we have to move on now.
37
20/12/2020 00:25:02 14 12
bbc
See a grown up would say extend it but nope not "brexiteers" bunch of clowns all of you
216
20/12/2020 01:02:46 8 9
bbc
No, most sensible people would say cut the crap and move on.
457
20/12/2020 02:35:27 4 6
bbc
It was time to leave at the end of 2016. After 4 1/2 years of talking, the EU has conceded nothing, so it's way past time to leave.
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20/12/2020 00:16:00 10 14
bbc
London in Tier 4

parliament cannot debate or vote on Extension

parliament cannot debate or vote on trade deal with the EU

Luck or Devine intervention
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20/12/2020 00:25:40 4 4
bbc
Divine
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20/12/2020 00:14:15 41 36
bbc
actually, I think we will do fine. Lets discuss in 10 years time.
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20/12/2020 00:25:57 37 19
bbc
Nissan will problay leave Sunderland that voted to leave
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20/12/2020 00:37:34 17 8
bbc
It’s a dead cert.
20/12/2020 14:16:45 0 1
bbc
Nissan' previous threats
2000 - the pound is too strong
2002 - if we don't join the Euro
2013 - if we leave EU
2016 - if Govt doesn't guarantee they'll be OK after Brexit
2019 - if no deal

Then Feb 2020 the Guardian reported this,
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

May 2020 - Nissan announces closure of their Barcelona plant
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20/12/2020 00:26:09 88 64
bbc
Am thoroughly looking forward to spring when Brexit and COVID will hopefully be behind us and we can read “news” not what the media think is “News” once again
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20/12/2020 00:30:51 58 15
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Oh I needed a laugh! Cheers!??
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20/12/2020 00:40:35 8 7
bbc
So would you vote for someone who promised to 'Get Brexit Done?
To make the news less boring for you?
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20/12/2020 00:53:53 7 3
bbc
I don't think I can remember what news is apart from brexit, elections and covid. Its been 5 years now. Since we had any real news. What are they going to talk about
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20/12/2020 01:07:29 7 4
bbc
Do you really think Covid will be over by springtime?

I regret that is likely to be shown to be an overly optimistic expectation.
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20/12/2020 01:27:38 10 3
bbc
Are you serious?? Brexit & Covid (hopefully) behind us by the spring!!! It is good to have hope in the face of adversity, however neither of these two evils will be 'behind us' for a long while yet. The implications of both for our continued way of life are as yet unknown, but when spring has sprung I believe we will still be in the grip of both.
Knob Removed
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20/12/2020 03:41:30 3 2
bbc
Don’t worry, you will read plenty. Covid will eventually pass and Brexit? Brexit will happen too... and then you will have plenty if “news” to read, what that means to you exactly.
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20/12/2020 04:14:51 9 1
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Brexit and Covid won't be behind us by spring, and if you don't think they're news, then you're several sandwiches short of the proverbial picnic.
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Owl
20/12/2020 07:31:33 2 2
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You think " hopefully " behind us. The ramifications of both will be with us for quite sometime yet to the detriment of the UK & an incompetent uncaring pathological liar in the shape of Boris Johnson. He is I'm alright Union Jack letting the country go to ruin.
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VoR
20/12/2020 07:32:29 2 1
bbc
So... You don't think a pandemic or give upheaval to national prosperity, jobs, security and foreign relations is news?

What is? Corrie actress seen coming out of boy band member's trailer?
20/12/2020 07:50:06 2 5
bbc
I can see the headline now “ champagne socialist starmer calls for a confirmation vote to rejoin the Eu cabal”
20/12/2020 10:19:19 0 1
bbc
Don’t you think BREXIT and Covid are news? What else would you prefer to know about?
20/12/2020 10:28:09 0 1
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You don’t really believe that do you?
20/12/2020 17:22:42 0 0
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Neither will be behind us by spring, and Brexit will impact the economy for years.
All of those undemocratic bad-loser Remoaners who side with a foreign power against their own country

There is a word for that (it begins with 'T'), but if you type it on HYS then it is guarenteed to be deletion by the 'impartial' moderators
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20/12/2020 00:26:41 5 3
bbc
Are you referring to the half of the UK that had enough education to not get their information just from the Murdock papers.
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20/12/2020 00:31:29 1 5
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I hold two university science degrees and I do not read ANY newspapers yet I voted 'Leave'. I admit that if it was still the EEC then I would have voted 'Remain', but it isn't, so I didn't

But thank you for demonstrating once again the arrogance & contempt of those who voted 'Remain'
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20/12/2020 00:26:44 23 20
bbc
The EU is saying we will allow you to catch 25% of your fish in 8 years time how can anyone think that is okay?
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20/12/2020 00:30:22 24 11
bbc
So let's crash 99.9% of the economy for the 0.01% fishing! A genius plan!??
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20/12/2020 00:31:17 0 4
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No british person does, well maybe Starmer.
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20/12/2020 00:42:01 3 1
bbc
There is far more important matters to Brexit than just "Fish". What is it with you leavers being so utterly obsessed with it? A tiny fraction of our economy, while you are happy to see many other sectors decimated.
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20/12/2020 02:24:37 1 1
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The EU is saying we will allow you to catch 25% of your fish

Why are they your fish? Are they accountants? Or wearing Union Jack fins and bowler hats? They just happen to be swimming through a bit of water (their water actually, they live in it) that's within x miles of the UK coastline. 5 minutes before or after they might have been in a bit of water that is x miles from the French coastline
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20/12/2020 00:27:18 911 384
bbc
Excellent news ! We can all look forward to more failure from Boris!

In his own words: "no deal, would be a failure of statecraft"!
"There's no plan for 'no deal', as we're going to get a deal"!
"No deal, is a million to one against!"

So is he:-

A) A barefaced liar?
B) Totally incompetent?
C) Both of the above?
You should have voted Liberal, may be their leader wouldn't have lost her seat. Removed
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20/12/2020 00:54:04 79 27
bbc
Obviously option C, but unfortunately the Brexiteer drones can't put two and two together. Not that it matters since many still don't understand the impact No deal would have, even after all this time.
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20/12/2020 01:19:05 7 65
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They are remainer traits, and he was one.
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20/12/2020 01:21:39 23 10
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Dad's army comes to mind...
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GEH
20/12/2020 04:54:45 14 72
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None of the above - this is a failure of EU statecraft.
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20/12/2020 06:03:24 10 8
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You can say that to any politician & any party. Even if these talks failed there will be other talks with the EU
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20/12/2020 06:40:08 20 6
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He's a lying corrupt incompetent chancer and don't get me started on his bad points...
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20/12/2020 06:43:43 9 27
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Your alternative could have been Jeremy Corbin and he would have completed the transition to the Communist inspired European Union.
The E.U. have stolen our fish for over forty years. Greenland, Iceland, Faeroes, Norway don't allow it.
The E.U. have been subsidising their major industries for years.
The E.U. has wasted E.U. funds...and our hard earned cash.
We will survive outside this failure.
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20/12/2020 07:11:37 19 3
bbc
Both of the above and he has surrounded himself with the most incompetent psychopantic cabinet in living memory.
909
20/12/2020 07:31:06 6 6
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D) A majority of 80 due to nut job Corbyn.
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20/12/2020 07:39:12 12 3
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C every time.
20/12/2020 08:12:18 9 3
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c
20/12/2020 08:30:29 5 3
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C, plus a whole lot more you can add.
20/12/2020 08:48:45 1 6
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Things change. Until 4pm yesterday we had five days to enjoy Christmas. Now some have none!

Does that make the leaders of all four nations A), B) & C)?

Of course it doesn’t. Perhaps you’re as much to blame for believing what comes out of politicians mouths.
20/12/2020 08:55:37 8 3
bbc
Problem is Johnson is incompetent and a proven liar. He always makes s complete mess of everything . Look at the disgraceful way the pandemic has been managed in the UK . And now he is going to make life even harder for the people of the UK with Brexit a no deal The UK is no way prepared for as no deal situation .
20/12/2020 09:43:22 7 2
bbc
A, B and C. I would include D, E, F, G....the list of his stupidity is endless. We might need another alphabet.
20/12/2020 09:46:12 1 10
bbc
Or a cunning negotiator. How about we wait to apply hindsight, then call him what you like. Only a few days to go and then it won't be guesswork or political bias.
20/12/2020 10:00:11 1 9
bbc
No hes looking after the UK, rhetoric is part of the negotiation.
20/12/2020 10:06:56 6 2
bbc
I think amoral fantasist is the best description... I wonder how many of the Conservative Party members who voted for him as leader last year are now regretting their choice
20/12/2020 10:30:45 2 2
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C
20/12/2020 10:34:04 1 8
bbc
This is typical of a remainer comment. Have some faith in the elected government and stop trying to undermine it.
20/12/2020 10:39:50 5 2
bbc
just watch - when he really believes the EU are walking away, he'll accept whatever is on the table at the time.

He'd dumb, but not dumb enough to actually go through with no deal. It's all a pathetic negotiating act that the EU aren't falling for.

There is zero chance of no deal.
20/12/2020 10:51:03 0 7
bbc
Complete rubbish from start to finish.
20/12/2020 10:56:59 3 2
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C.
20/12/2020 11:12:22 0 1
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A politician just like them all.
Just listen to 'Prime Ministers Question Time' and you'll understand the calibre of their intellect, every last one of them no matter what 'side' they come from.
Where else would they get a job that paid that much anywhere else?
Pay peanuts get monkeys.
20/12/2020 11:49:43 0 2
bbc
I don't know why people are being so negative. It's to late to be now.
20/12/2020 11:58:20 3 1
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c
20/12/2020 12:09:17 0 1
bbc
You do better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20/12/2020 12:24:38 1 0
bbc
It is a failure of statescraft, but you need to look to Mr Macron when pointing the finger of blame
20/12/2020 12:39:25 0 1
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D) Conservative leader
20/12/2020 13:06:10 0 1
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C
20/12/2020 14:18:19 0 0
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You thrive on failure, just take a look at your comments.
20/12/2020 14:55:17 0 1
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C) surely.

It is as clear as day to me that Johnson is both a barefaced liar and totally incompetent.
Rob
20/12/2020 16:01:47 0 1
bbc
Project Xenophobia was the most un-British cause this country has ever pursued.
20/12/2020 16:07:45 1 0
bbc
D) not signing just anything the EU put under his nose.

The problem has long been the EU and Remainers want this to be Brino.
20/12/2020 16:08:36 1 0
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You are in the B bracket and an obvious gutless remainer.
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20/12/2020 00:27:27 339 186
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Every citizen of this great union nation who voted Brexit then clapped for the NHS is an hypocrite
There are seldom few Dr's, Nurses and academics that think Brexit is a good idea and we need to start listening to these folk and stop listening to those who engage bar room politics down the local boozer.
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20/12/2020 00:51:48 36 21
bbc
Yeah, all the idiots down at their local spoons giving out about johnny foreigner and how we won WW2 but conveniently forget the critical parts played by USA & Russia.
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20/12/2020 00:53:06 19 37
bbc
I would never clap for the NHS.
The NHS is treated like the sacred cows in India regardless of how incompetent and poorly it performs.
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20/12/2020 01:14:19 42 21
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What about those people working in the NHS front line on covid wards who voted Brexit?
Please keep your condescending sanctimony to yourself
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20/12/2020 01:15:40 18 7
bbc
Do we gave to stop travelling on a plane if the pilot voted remain? What about my dentist? Should I switch to a Brexit voting dentist?
It gets so confusing......all this conflation
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20/12/2020 01:33:25 2 11
bbc
So what, they think that sacrificing elderly to save the NHS was a good idea, the NHS was formed to save the people they sacrificed!
757
20/12/2020 06:59:18 2 4
bbc
Please give a calculated list of your great insight oh glorious sage.
Can you list more than 50?
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20/12/2020 07:22:43 3 3
bbc
I consider them victims, not hypocrites. They're only crime was believing the lies of the ruling elite.

It's about time we started blaming the actual architects of Brexit, the ruling, university educated, elite, not the citizens.
Roy
20/12/2020 07:45:28 1 5
bbc
That is an absolute load of crap
20/12/2020 07:48:21 1 3
bbc
We listen to the folks who voted the same way as you, right. Perhaps the 70 odd million people in the U.K. can all let you vote for us all from now on, since our experiences in the world don’t compare to yours.
20/12/2020 07:56:09 4 2
bbc
What absolute nonsense. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Do you know the proportion of medics and health workers who voted for Brexit? Are medics and health workers differentially qualified to judge the pros and cons of Brexit? Do medics and health workers never go down to their local boozer? What planet do you live on?
20/12/2020 08:52:21 2 4
bbc
So what makes a doctor or a nurse more knowledgeable about international politics than say a mechanic?
You clearly are telling the truth. Liar
Joe
20/12/2020 09:34:08 2 2
bbc
By your reckoning then, I hope you have stopped driving a car, using central heating etc because the experts say we are killing the environment? No? What a bloody hypocrite.
20/12/2020 10:24:57 0 2
bbc
You’ll be surprised how many nurses voted for Brexit.
20/12/2020 11:07:19 0 2
bbc
Here we go again: 'If you are a Brexit supporter then you must be a wicked hypocrite, compared with virtuous people like me who voted to remain'.
What arrogant rubbish.
20/12/2020 11:38:30 0 2
bbc
It's people like you that give remainers a bad name.

The majority of ignorant hatred on here comes from a minority of remain voters.

Majority of leave & remain voters are decent people who either want to be tied politically and economically to the EU or don't.

Your sir are the biggest hypocrite if you clapped because you supported people who voted for both outcomes.

Take a look at yourself.
20/12/2020 14:39:47 0 0
bbc
So what exactly are you doing then? It is you that is the hypocrite.
20/12/2020 16:37:00 0 0
bbc
”.. citizens who voted for Brexit..”

That is right; leavers are cultured, highly-educated, intelligent and professionals; people who read QUALITY media, and make their own (sovereign :D) opinions.

Brexiters on the other hand...
20/12/2020 16:38:01 0 0
bbc
Never heard such rubbish, you realise that to save the NHS in March/April HMG sacrificed care-homes and nursing homes, and those with long term illnesses, and of the excess deaths in that period, 15,000 were non-covid and 90%+ were elderly with co-morbidity. The NHS is supposed to save them, it is a sacred cow and needs sorting out, no excuse that all Europe did the same.
20/12/2020 16:54:06 0 0
bbc
Thats me then. Thanks for the vote of no confidence.
20/12/2020 17:20:15 0 0
bbc
oh no we aint
20/12/2020 17:36:36 1 0
bbc
Anyone else remember the pale, sour tomatoes, stringy celery and floppy lettuce that were the only options on the shelves for nine months of the year before we joined the EU?
20/12/2020 18:18:19 0 0
bbc
You've come out with comment before lazy journalism
20/12/2020 22:22:21 0 0
bbc
Listen to academics? For real world situations? Seriously? Wow.
20/12/2020 23:20:15 0 0
bbc
Do you have a problem with people from non-eu countries? Is there some reason they shouldn't get the same opportunity as a doctor or nurse from within the EU?
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bbc
No plan has been the plan all along with that tw?t Boris, a lying cheating richard head! Removed
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20/12/2020 02:03:32 15 5
bbc
Such incompetence and malice should be intolerable for the position of a PM. Jail him.
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20/12/2020 00:22:52 21 23
bbc
Please explain how ignoring the result of a free & fair democratic, referendum which you actually voted in, and siding with a foreign power against your own country is being 'patriotic'?

Sounds more like treason to me!

You didn't even take the opportunity to vote Lib Dem & 'cancel Brexit' last December

Instead you voted for a feckless Marxist

How is that 'patriotic'?
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20/12/2020 00:28:21 9 8
bbc
Free & fair??? Oh that's just hilarious!!!!!??
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20/12/2020 00:53:38 1 3
bbc
Jeez, that’s like something straight out of the Donald Trump text book on democracy.
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20/12/2020 00:14:15 105 40
bbc
How would they recall Parliament to vote on "a deal" when London is in Tier 4?! . . .
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20/12/2020 00:28:24 125 7
bbc
Easily as tier 4 does not stop you travelling to work nor being in work although if you can work from home you are supposed to do so.
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JQP
20/12/2020 01:11:29 4 7
bbc
Not sure you could classify parliament as essential mind
20/12/2020 13:23:52 0 1
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How can the instruction stay at home not stop you travelling - another Brexiteer who hasn't t bothered to read the ingredients.
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20/12/2020 00:22:52 21 23
bbc
Please explain how ignoring the result of a free & fair democratic, referendum which you actually voted in, and siding with a foreign power against your own country is being 'patriotic'?

Sounds more like treason to me!

You didn't even take the opportunity to vote Lib Dem & 'cancel Brexit' last December

Instead you voted for a feckless Marxist

How is that 'patriotic'?
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20/12/2020 00:29:33 5 3
bbc
Oh dear.

Siding with sense and decency IS patriotic.

I love my country, which means I don't want to see it turned into an impoverished, laughing stock, pariah, which is what Johnson is doing with the support of the Breixteer minority (economically illiterate, monoglot, obtuse). We shall be in an appalling position due to bigotry, lies, and BoJo's narcissistic power hunger. Ho, hum.
67
20/12/2020 00:33:48 5 5
bbc
If you 'love your country' then you would respect it's democracy!
451
20/12/2020 02:32:34 2 2
bbc
Despite your lies, a majority voted to leave the EU, which is why 350,000 of our citizens have already been vaccinated against Covid, versus none in the EU. Feel free to go and die in the EU. I prefer to live in the UK.

By the way, 3 of my grandparents were born in EU countries yet none of them voted to Remain in the referendum. None of them wants to live in a Franco-German superstate.
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20/12/2020 00:09:41 755 244
bbc
Even though it will cause major disruption, no deal may be the best outcome for now. After all, if a trade deal is signed in haste, by either side, with little or no scrutiny by either parliament, it could be a bigger disaster than not having one. Resume the talks after six months or so as at least both sides will see the damage inflicted and will come to the table with cooler heads.
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PCS
20/12/2020 00:29:45 574 490
bbc
Folk already living on the breadline will be destitute in 6 months......
76
20/12/2020 00:35:25 66 55
bbc
Your not, by any chance, a French fisherman are you?
284
20/12/2020 01:17:21 38 65
bbc
Nowt to do with Brexit, covid lock-down
378
20/12/2020 01:50:30 52 57
bbc
That is, er no one. Though I suspect you just move your word definitions to what normal people call well off to slightly less well off getting by with only two foreign stupid holidays a year.

Business can adapt, look at covid, fast big switches from silly street shops to on line. From offices to home working. Things are more adaptable than vested interests like.
455
20/12/2020 02:34:23 37 20
bbc
And that is why the North voted leave . No investment for 40 years .
Government under DC telling us the pound will plumet doesnt matter if you are already broke .
571
20/12/2020 04:55:14 11 20
bbc
Don't be a drama queen.
631
20/12/2020 05:44:09 4 11
bbc
People have been living on the breadline for years, nothing to do with Brexit or Covid.
Policies
Tax
Services
House Prices

Buy Hey why let a few facts stand in the way
Them REcord House Prices
Car prices retail
etc.

Must just be a temporary blip as the "BOE Governor" will no doubt put it
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Dcf
20/12/2020 06:20:29 11 10
bbc
We've had advice and years to save money and build resources, but so many decided to live on credit that we can't now survive without living on credit.

It's a precarious existence. And can be avoided but that's no fun, and fun is what it's all about. Until it isn't. But it's never our fault.

It's 'leave us alone to have fun', but it's 'your fault for not stopping us' when it goes wrong.
925
20/12/2020 07:33:38 3 4
bbc
Cite your sources
927
20/12/2020 07:34:00 3 3
bbc
Chances are we'll be claiming asylum in an EU country
20/12/2020 07:58:04 8 2
bbc
Weren't they often the same people who voted for Brexit in the first place? Did they not believe that things would get worse, or did they only assume it would get worse for other people?
CEP
20/12/2020 09:51:07 1 3
bbc
and your proof is?
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20/12/2020 00:26:44 23 20
bbc
The EU is saying we will allow you to catch 25% of your fish in 8 years time how can anyone think that is okay?
50
20/12/2020 00:30:22 24 11
bbc
So let's crash 99.9% of the economy for the 0.01% fishing! A genius plan!??
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20/12/2020 00:36:05 2 2
bbc
The only reason it is an issue is the EU position of

Everything agreed or Nothing agreed

Any sane person would agree the 99% and leave the status quo on 1% for three to six months to be agreed, which would be in the best interest of everyone right now.
100
20/12/2020 00:38:13 2 3
bbc
You do understand the EU is crashing it not us with

Everything agreed or nothing agreed?
195
20/12/2020 00:56:06 2 3
bbc
So you think the EU should keep our fish when it is only 0.002% of their economy. You seem to think the single market works in our favour, it does not.
400
20/12/2020 02:01:08 0 3
bbc
We wont' be crashing our economy, EU trade is about 13% of it, it is less than 40% of our foreign trade too, so still way short of 99% then, given that the City has been given yet another extension to trade in the EU, it isn't even that, and we make a trade surplus from the City, they make a surplus on the bit they can't do a deal on. Nissan will like that, German car makers, probably not
20/12/2020 12:03:51 0 0
bbc
It is the EU who are deciding to crash economies if they are no onger allowed to steal fish from their neighbour.
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20/12/2020 00:26:09 88 64
bbc
Am thoroughly looking forward to spring when Brexit and COVID will hopefully be behind us and we can read “news” not what the media think is “News” once again
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20/12/2020 00:30:51 58 15
bbc
Oh I needed a laugh! Cheers!??
20/12/2020 09:47:19 0 2
bbc
Yes the MSM is never going to change. Let’s hope we get that news channel promised for Easter then maybe we can get facts rather than cheap opinion from big-headed “journalists”.
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20/12/2020 00:31:03 5 10
bbc
There is no money left to create an unfair playing field with large subsidies. EU seem to want to keep hold of bits of the UK, like our fish. Now if they offered £10Bn a year to be able to fish in our waters to existing quotas then there could be a deal. otherwise our fishing industry can grow back to the level it was when we entered EU. I wonder if they would then slap tariffs on the fish imports
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20/12/2020 00:50:09 2 3
bbc
It will be interesting to see how EU members cope with either having no fish from U.K. waters to eat or having to pay our prices plus EU tariffs if they still want to eat U.K. fish.
Anyway the EU has drastically cut the fishing quotas in their own waters due to overfishing so best just let our fishermen grow their businesses slowly allowing our waters fish stocks to recover.
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20/12/2020 00:31:17 549 260
bbc
I recently chatted to a Brexiter

I asked him if in the event of no deal we x2 the number of UK fishermen but lost 20% of jobs in our automotive industries would be consider that a success

He immediately said YES & started talking about no deal & soveregnity etc

You should of seen his face when i explained doubling of fishermen is 22,000 whereas loseing 20% of our automotive jobs is over 180,000
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DAB
20/12/2020 00:34:53 363 354
bbc
And as neither are of those figures are going to happen exactly what is your point?
85
20/12/2020 00:36:57 46 19
bbc
And with one conversation, imagined or real, you encapsulated the entire debate. How clever you must have considered yourself.
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20/12/2020 00:38:06 36 9
bbc
Nissan closed down their Spanish Branch and made Sunderland their zeuropean headquarters.
Volkswagen have clocked Wolfsburg and built a 2.5 billion euro plant in Turkey.
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20/12/2020 00:41:17 37 21
bbc
Cool story! Poor grammar and spelling...agent provocateur methinks. Bless you...must do better.
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20/12/2020 00:45:15 17 23
bbc
What automotive jobs? Boris is killing the auto business with his ban on the fossil fuel transport by 2030, and every auto manufacturer in the EU union is running in bankruptcy mode.
Asian import sales are doing fine.
198
20/12/2020 00:56:56 55 63
bbc
I was recently chatting to a remoaner, but quickly stopped as they are so boring
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me
20/12/2020 01:02:55 19 15
bbc
And does your answer factor in the loss of jobs And in the automotive sector coming up due to automation?
249
20/12/2020 00:38:37 6 10
bbc
Losing
259
20/12/2020 01:12:45 42 15
bbc
Top prize for conversation that never happend
260
20/12/2020 01:04:40 29 11
bbc
But of course you did......
262
20/12/2020 01:06:05 13 8
bbc
Should have

A minor correction but one which takes the sheen of your intellectually smug tone
263
20/12/2020 01:07:09 9 9
bbc
Sovereignty
322
20/12/2020 01:29:05 7 6
bbc
So a brexiteer as ignorant as a remainer, I suppose there has to be one, try this for Nissan

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Then German automakers suddenly realising the UK customers may not be there for them if no deal ;-)

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bmw-is-discovering-the-cost-of-a-no-deal-brexit
613
20/12/2020 05:29:21 4 5
bbc
So all those thousands of jobs we lost in manufacturing years ago are all down to a possible no deal then?
636
20/12/2020 05:48:41 4 2
bbc
Yeah like that happened lol
649
20/12/2020 06:00:36 5 3
bbc
You make up some creative stories... Surprised you have friends.
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Dcf
20/12/2020 06:25:13 5 1
bbc
And who is going to buy all of these cars? They are somewhat expensive when half of the people even in the relatively wealthy UK cannot find £200 in an emergency.

Meanwhile, we still need to eat. Pity the poor fish. Wild creatures being plundered by high technology and tradition.

Note: There was once so many fish in the sea that standing on cliff tops, you could see the shoals.
703
20/12/2020 06:37:03 3 4
bbc
So automotive jobs will be lost over brexit. Are you including Bmw and Citroen workers in your 180,000 calculation?
759
20/12/2020 06:59:31 5 2
bbc
I would have loved to have seen your face as you trotted out those lies. 20% of 105000 is just over 20,000, maybe you were thinking of 1973 when we had 500,000 automotive jobs in this country !
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IR
20/12/2020 07:09:32 5 5
bbc
Wow, you must have been so pleased with yourself, thinking how big and clever you were... couldn't wait to rell your friends on HYS. Look at me, look at me... It's all just so pathetic.
822
20/12/2020 07:14:15 5 2
bbc
The 20% loss for the automotive industry is not in part due to brexit. There is now a global shift towards electric cars which has had the bigger impact as production is moving to cheaper areas of the planet.
884
20/12/2020 07:25:33 3 1
bbc
Car manufacturers build in the UK because the government give them incentives to do so, it would be far cheaper in the EU model to build them in eastern or southern states. It has always been a false economy to make GDP look better
956
20/12/2020 07:39:03 3 4
bbc
You do realise we can still trade with the Eu, perhaps with tariffs, we can import stuff from there, we can still go on holiday, even take your pet over with you, you can still drive there too and live there, the Eu may make things hard for us to teach us a lesson at first, but a sovereign U.K. can respond in kind, by being nice or spiteful.
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bod
20/12/2020 07:41:41 4 2
bbc
More likely you recently shouted in their face ??
979
20/12/2020 07:42:01 3 2
bbc
We need to design and build our own electric cars and quickly.
Removed
20/12/2020 08:24:15 2 5
bbc
Those figures are spurious to say the least, but I can assure you there will be 700,000 lost jobs on the continent in the event if a no-deal. Watch Merkel intervene soon as most of them are German jobs.
20/12/2020 08:40:34 3 3
bbc
Cool story.

The U.K. currently IMPORTS over £50 billion in cars from the EU.

By putting tariffs on those imports the U.K. could significantly protect our jobs.

AND boost the significant U.K. car industry in the process.

Buy British.
20/12/2020 08:41:05 2 4
bbc
I had a nice chat to a Brexiter too. He started talking in emotional terms about how we should never forget that we once had an empire, and how clever Rees-Mogg is.

I smiled and moved on.
20/12/2020 09:09:32 1 2
bbc
No you didn’t
20/12/2020 09:19:10 1 2
bbc
You put him right did you !
20/12/2020 09:22:51 1 2
bbc
Yes, but fish are sustainable for ever if we treat our seas right but cars are definitely not. TWO terms look fine to me anyway. Being them on!
20/12/2020 09:23:19 0 3
bbc
We don't have an automotive industry, the EU killed that in the 80's.
20/12/2020 10:11:10 1 2
bbc
I suggest that you try using a spell checker before laughing at another's perceived stupidity.
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20/12/2020 00:26:41 5 3
bbc
Are you referring to the half of the UK that had enough education to not get their information just from the Murdock papers.
54
20/12/2020 00:31:29 1 5
bbc
I hold two university science degrees and I do not read ANY newspapers yet I voted 'Leave'. I admit that if it was still the EEC then I would have voted 'Remain', but it isn't, so I didn't

But thank you for demonstrating once again the arrogance & contempt of those who voted 'Remain'
55
20/12/2020 00:31:51 40 4
bbc
who knows what's going to happen but we should send the bill to cameron
106
20/12/2020 00:38:49 11 2
bbc
Who voted to leave?
293
20/12/2020 01:19:53 5 4
bbc
While it does have its roots in a 50 year old Tory civil war, without Leaver-of-Convenience Johnson, Leave would have been a busted flush. So Boris gets the bill, like the good ole Bullingdon Boy he is
27
20/12/2020 00:19:07 53 56
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Because it's time to leave.

It's already dragged on for far too long.

I know rejoiners would love us to stay in the transition period indefinitely but we have to move on now.
56
20/12/2020 00:31:57 10 8
bbc
We'll be back soon as a Norway BRINO with no influence. So patriotic, the Breixteers: making us worse off, making us internationally irrelevant, and undermining key sectors of the health service (which need EU labour). Deary me. Bit silly really.
546
20/12/2020 04:23:52 5 1
bbc
Not only need EU labour but also critical goods supply (including transfer of radioactive material for medical procedures). Brexit affects all areas of life as we know it (incl. telecomms, flights, energy supply, building, trading, education standards).
Even a Tory like John Major said it very clearly here: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/-we-are-no-longer-a-great-power-the-trouble-with-brexit
57
20/12/2020 00:32:03 3 5
bbc
No deal Brexit, locked down the areas with most transport links to Europe, 'too dangerous' to recall parliament in a 'new strain' outbreak. Convenient or secret plan all along?
58
20/12/2020 00:32:03 419 86
bbc
They need us more than we need them...sigh
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20/12/2020 01:38:49 252 267
bbc
True, but they've already accepted that and let the City continue trading, again, another 18 month extension, with all this lock-down I guess Southern Europe is going to need the CIty's insolvency services. I also hear from Euronews that the Germans are wanting a deal at any cost - maybe they infected Macron, he is the spanner in the works there
20/12/2020 09:22:13 13 4
bbc
The fact that the EU are perfectly happy for everything to stay as they were should tell you something about our former position.
20/12/2020 10:55:40 6 17
bbc
Remainer cliche...sigh.
20/12/2020 14:20:36 0 0
bbc
Sigh all you want. We've left.
20/12/2020 22:46:48 0 0
bbc
Yes all those £s we spend in Spain. The trade with Germany and France, etc, etc. The sound economic sense of our journalist PM, Prime Monkey.
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20/12/2020 00:09:50 523 304
bbc
This will be seen as the biggest political mistake that the UK has ever made, 10 years from now, if tariffs exist, the car industry gone, Brits can longer live in Europe, there will be a public demand to return
In the meantime, the UK will have its "sovereignty" it's "frugal" royal family exempt from paying income tax, and its medals (OBE, MBE, etc) for an empire that no longer exists
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20/12/2020 00:32:03 30 14
bbc
They said precisely the same when we decided not to join the Euro!
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20/12/2020 00:56:03 14 8
bbc
Wrong once again. They said it would be a factor in the next investment decision round at that being outside the Euro add uncertainty.

About no deal they said that in a no-deal scenario, Sunderland would be unprofitable. No ifs buts or maybes. Companies shut down things that are unprofitable.

Get your head out of the sand.
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20/12/2020 00:24:57 17 22
bbc
Most people expected a deal would be possible. But the EU are not acting rationally. It is cutting off its nose to spite its face. More fool EU!

I'm very happy. Why should we pay for the 'benefit' of being the EU's best customer? It should be the other way round.

No deal is the cleanest, cheapest option.

We will be free to go our own way. Build up our fish stocks, conservation not exploitation.
60
20/12/2020 00:32:17 5 7
bbc
Has anyone told UK fishermen they won't be able to catch as much as they want & that they"ll be getting less money as prices fall???
125
20/12/2020 00:41:58 3 1
bbc
I think the UK fishermen know.

Both of them...
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20/12/2020 00:14:28 552 145
bbc
Still, the NHS could really use an extra £350 million a week right now.
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20/12/2020 00:32:21 363 86
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I think they are getting 500 million a day currently
146
20/12/2020 00:46:19 54 19
bbc
You think wrong. The figures are easy to find. And what's that got to do with the extra money brexit was supposed to provide?
251
20/12/2020 00:45:01 14 3
bbc
Annual budget's £130 Billion. More like 330 mil/day.
514
20/12/2020 03:40:56 20 9
bbc
But that's not from the Brexit Bonus is it?
That's additional spending to take them somewhere closer to where spending, in real terms, was in 2010
The Brexit Bonus is on top of that
So where is it?
jjs
20/12/2020 09:22:02 8 2
bbc
Your NHS figure is about £7.50 a day per capita. The EU costs us less than a pint of beer each per week. Every figure can be divided by 65 000 000 to get an idea of the cost per capita.
20/12/2020 11:15:21 1 1
bbc
? Please check your figures as they seem high
20/12/2020 12:01:29 1 0
bbc
It is not "they" the NHS is US.
20/12/2020 12:39:45 0 0
bbc
Think?
20/12/2020 13:03:56 0 0
bbc
Fake news.
20/12/2020 13:48:31 0 0
bbc
That's not 'extra'...
20/12/2020 16:11:08 0 0
bbc
Yes, maybe NHS is getting 500 million currently more, but that money is debt; not some saved money from brexit.
4
20/12/2020 00:09:28 608 220
bbc
...and so we have finally realised that the EU are a competitor as we, courtesy of Brexit voters, have become a third country to them.
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20/12/2020 00:32:31 294 138
bbc
So you too think of the EU as “them” that’s kind of how we got here
166
20/12/2020 00:49:31 36 11
bbc
Them in the OPs sentence was a pronoun. Don't project you prejudice onto others.
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20/12/2020 01:02:22 60 12
bbc
Following the Brexit car-crash, of course it is "us" and "them"
That was the intention, wasn't it?
For England to become a competitor to the largest trading block on the planet, right on their doorstep
That's what you voted for
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ET
20/12/2020 06:42:34 32 11
bbc
Once again a demonstration of total lack of anything. “Them” in this context is correct use of grammar, not a way of thinking.
We got here by 52-48, four years ago. Somehow that’s turned into sacrifice everything trade wise for a blue passport. Oh and “sovereignty”. Are we getting a new one?
20/12/2020 08:50:26 2 2
bbc
We all do now we’re out.
20/12/2020 10:18:30 2 3
bbc
Well they are them now. We already left.
20/12/2020 10:53:37 1 6
bbc
The EU made themselves hostile to us.
20/12/2020 11:13:16 3 1
bbc
Well they certainly aren't 'us' anymore as we left. So they must by default be 'them'

or can you not see the obvious?
20/12/2020 12:00:37 1 0
bbc
Apparently, because "we" chose to be. You complaining?
20/12/2020 12:12:09 2 2
bbc
On this occasion it has always been them - we were only ever there to contribute and be told what to do, or else.
20/12/2020 12:57:15 0 1
bbc
If the EU is 'them' , I'm on their side.
20/12/2020 18:02:35 0 0
bbc
The EU have always been them we were never been a good fit
20/12/2020 18:46:30 0 0
bbc
Ask Greece what they think of the EU. Or Italy, Poland etc etc. Its a corrupt dictatorship run by Germany & France, who think they have a say.
20/12/2020 19:20:14 0 0
bbc
Did you think it was "us" - it was never "us" - the EU was conceived to keep the UK down.
20/12/2020 19:54:53 0 0
bbc
Sadly, the EU is 'them' now, and has been for nearly a year.
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20/12/2020 00:32:32 2 2
bbc
Substantial SHIFT

there has been substantial shift from all sides

I'm sick of thist shift
10
20/12/2020 00:11:15 33 30
bbc
Time now to face facts and postpone Brexit until end of the financial year (a tidy ending). Two reasons: we are clearly not prepared for 1 January 2021, and Covid-19 will make things worse before they get better. Time for statesmanship from Mr Johnson.
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20/12/2020 00:32:37 13 4
bbc
Having had 4.5 years to get ready to leave putting the date back by 3 months is hardly going to make any difference in being ready. And that is without the problems us remaining in transition for another 3 months in the EU’s new 7 year budget plan.
73
20/12/2020 00:35:05 3 3
bbc
I would happily support an extension beyond Easter. What do you suggest?
65
20/12/2020 00:32:50 23 5
bbc
Isn't it a bit embarrassing for both sides to claim a deal is likely on Monday, a deal will never happen by Tuesday, then a slim but hopefully chance by Wednesday, very little chance by Thursday and back to extending talks by the weekend...

Just get on with it and give us the verdict. It's like watching someone air their dirty washing about their failing relationship on Facebook!
123
20/12/2020 00:41:22 9 1
bbc
Yes but Sunday is the final deadline again and again and again .
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smg
20/12/2020 01:24:30 0 1
bbc
Its a negotiation. This is normal bargaining. I got a sick grandmother... Etc
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