Coronavirus: UK R number back above one
18/12/2020 | news | health | 4,148
Office for National Statistics figures suggest one in every 95 people in England has the virus.
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18/12/2020 13:46:03 16 7
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So much for Christmas mixing being the action that starts the third wave (or whatever we want to call it).
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18/12/2020 13:53:25 39 13
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If the third wave has starte, the Xmas mixing will make it a tsunami
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18/12/2020 13:46:17 214 155
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So after all the restrictions we've endured since March, infections still on the rise.
The solution? More lock downs.
This really is "science". What a shower.
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18/12/2020 13:50:08 135 86
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Its a scandal that this farce continues.
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18/12/2020 13:53:07 46 19
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But the March lockdown brought a massive decrease in cases which we then blew by eat out to help out and Uni students going back to campus
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18/12/2020 13:54:24 62 16
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Lockdowns are not the problem. People making them last longer by ignoring the simple rules and spreading an infection are the actual problem.
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18/12/2020 13:54:51 43 20
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It's always been science encumbered by politics, the real science would say - we have this virus that spreads exponentially, let's lock down once and hard to eradicate it, then get on with out lives. But Boris Johnson missed that boat by miles, didn't even attend the cobra meetings about the virus. And did he learn his lesson? No he was too late again with the autumn second wave
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18/12/2020 13:55:09 47 4
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The "science" is that the virus spreads on close contact between humans.

The restrictions can't end the epidemic, but they do damp it down - so it's all about a balance between saving lives and saving jobs. This really is a fairly simple concept.
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18/12/2020 14:02:04 2 2
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pfft!
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18/12/2020 14:04:21 32 11
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Two points:

1. How bad would it have been without the Lockdowns?

2. Perhaps if the Lockdowns were more stringent and properly enforced they would be more effective? If a large proportion of the population break the rules their efficacy is significantly reduced.
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18/12/2020 14:10:47 15 6
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It's not the government's fault if people aren't paying attention. The government isn't forcing people to beaches in record numbers, to house parties and raves, into shops without masks or any semblance of social distancing... maybe instead of pointing the finger at a faceless entity as an easy cop out, start challenging people you encounter breaking the rules... no? Didn't think so.
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Les
18/12/2020 14:11:39 23 5
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What do you expect. The only way to stop the virus is to reduce transmission between people. Unfortunately too many people seem to think rules and guidance to maintain social distancing do not apply to them. If they will not do it voluntarily then the only way is to introduce much stronger measures, and unfortunately then everybody suffers. The selfish few spoil it for everyone.
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18/12/2020 14:14:02 22 9
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Each time there has been a strict lockdown, infections have fallen. Each time they have lifted that lockdown, even other restrictions in place for parts of the country, infections have risen.

But, of course, lockdowns don't work....
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18/12/2020 14:14:51 8 17
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One can only have respect and admiration for the scientists who have developed the vaccines. I wish I could have the same respect for the rest of the scientists who have kept the world in one form of lockdown or another until the vaccine arrives.
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18/12/2020 14:18:22 17 5
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Last 3 days, Covid deaths in Italy 846, 680 and 683; Germany 910, 729 and 754; USA 3025, 3611 and 3293. The problem is the virus, not the government.
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18/12/2020 14:18:36 9 7
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The science was right from the beginning but the gov ignored it and did a mamby pamby lockdown. NO leardership.
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18/12/2020 14:38:29 13 4
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Maybe because the govt keeps changing the tactics it keeps using to fight the virus & have no consistency.
Ignore it.
No we need to lock down again.
No go out & enjoy yourself.
Ooops lock down again.
Actually only certain regions we randomly decide can have freedom.
Screw it all enjoy Christmas.
Ooops we need to lock down again for a third time.
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18/12/2020 14:52:50 7 4
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The science supports full lock down. It is politics that has prevented that, not science. I'd say you can't tell the difference but your posts over time clearly show you do understand politics, and are being political.
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18/12/2020 14:54:48 10 5
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Had the duty moron not gone to the beach, or a rave, or a protest, or a wedding/funeral in mass numbers against advice, then perhaps the lockdowns might have been more effective. However, as a nation of know-alls we are stuck with this virus until we recognise science above tin foil hats
18/12/2020 15:29:56 3 1
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And your solution is....... ?
18/12/2020 15:39:40 2 2
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and if you understood the science you would understand the reasons.

Shame you don't on both accounts it has been made clear to those who would listen and try to understand what has REALLY been going on.
18/12/2020 15:54:43 3 1
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Have you not looked what is happening right across Europe we are all in the same boat. Even the great Germsny are in total lockdown right now. No country in europe has a handle on it properly. And i am not a Boris supporter.
18/12/2020 17:16:15 2 2
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If people did what they were told, it wouldn't be a problem. Don't blame the science when you're not equipped to understand it. Sorted.
tym
18/12/2020 17:27:22 2 1
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And your answer?
18/12/2020 17:28:45 1 3
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Here Here
18/12/2020 18:36:33 2 3
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When we locked down, cases dropped as expected.

When we ignored the science, had a half-hearted set of restrictions on things that didn't cause much transmission of the virus yet left the big spreaders up and running, cases kept climbing.

The probelm isn't the science, it's the government ignoring the science.
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18/12/2020 13:47:04 194 46
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As a respiratory virus Covid will spread in every environment humans use. Therefore it’s wrong to blame a specific behaviour or setting as being wholly responsible for its problems.

This Christmas it’s not just important to try and reduce Covid spread where possible, but we must not spread blame and division either. The latter can do more damage to society long-term than Covid ever could.
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18/12/2020 13:55:07 121 45
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NO we cant dare to make society and indiv8ual responsible for their actions . after all we have has 30 years of successive governments telling people its alright for people to do whatever pleases them selves.
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18/12/2020 13:55:37 10 15
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Don't worry, the BBC will blame the older generation for you!
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18/12/2020 13:57:17 15 13
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Blame, there is blame alright. Those that willfuly help spread this!
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18/12/2020 14:56:45 7 5
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Brilliantly put! ??
18/12/2020 15:56:30 11 7
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Oh well, I will just accept anybody talking on their mobile with their mask (if they even have one) on their chin while talking on their mobile in a public space (bus/shop) in future. They are not to blame or even have a finger wagged at them!
18/12/2020 16:10:21 10 7
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'This Christmas it’s not just important to try and reduce Covid spread where possible, but we must not spread blame and division either. The latter can do more damage to society long-term than Covid ever could.'

No it can't. An ongoing disagreement about the rights and wrongs of action taken (or not), will not cause the same damage as death.
18/12/2020 16:58:15 5 1
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Spreading blame and division? How can anybody believe in such a concept with the BBC's HYS and all the other fabulous examples of social media platforms worldwide refusing to stoke the flames and offering a chance for peace on earth and goodwill to all at every possible juncture.
18/12/2020 20:02:08 2 2
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Why not, to people who ignore the basic advice are spreading the virus and are to blame.
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18/12/2020 13:47:20 60 45
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Oh to have a government like New Zealand's
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18/12/2020 13:49:07 40 14
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New zealand has a population of 10 million
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18/12/2020 13:51:25 22 5
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Hmm.. and also to live on an island rather isolated from the rest of the world, with few international travellers and tiny spread out population? Their situation and ours is vastly different.

BTW their last outbreak was traced back to imported frozen ready meals from China. Covid will get in whatever you do.
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18/12/2020 13:52:17 16 1
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And a population density like theirs
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18/12/2020 13:52:48 21 19
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May be 10 million understand social distancing better than the ignorant 50 million in the Uk who flout every rule and kept on mixing at univerisities and throwing house parties in the North and Midlands and in pubs and bars across the county , believing it was their inalienable right to spread the virus
MK
18/12/2020 23:28:25 1 0
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Our government is not at fault. Those not keeping their distance are to blame. If only more people followed the rules. Simple solution!
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DJG
18/12/2020 13:47:25 430 237
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Can we please start reporting on the rest of the news? Or maybe some analysis of the carnage being caused by restrictions. Or all the other deaths? Some context please.
Only other news is Boris seeking a no deal brexit under the orders of his banker owners. Removed
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18/12/2020 13:53:13 60 57
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It was said from the beginning of the year there would be massive problems due to Covid, including additional deaths and economic problems. Those issues will not go until people stop spreading Covid.

That is not a difficult concept.

If you are unsure, speak to an ICU nurse about this entire disease....
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18/12/2020 14:03:47 19 37
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it would make sense

the BBC is not suited to covid. the BBC doesn't know how to present information that's actually quite serious. the Beeb is all image, smartness, and procedure. if anything happens which actually really matters, all of Beeb's protocols go out the window.

"best British tea", "the evolution of paint over the years" - needs to stick to things like that
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18/12/2020 14:04:58 36 39
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Sir, this is a propanganda outlet for the govt, please try the next window.
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18/12/2020 14:06:47 37 18
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What part of the fact that no one forces or makes you read, listen or watch any of the news regarding the virus are you struggling to understand ???

The real question is... Why did you deliberately choose to go to a news story you clearly have no interest in ???

PS: There is plenty of other news out there, try actually going to that instead of things you claim you don't want to read....
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18/12/2020 14:04:56 76 20
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Yes, I want to know:

Cancer deaths due to missed diagnoses and/or treatments?
Heart disease deaths due to unable to see GP or go to A&E?
Seasonal flu deaths (NOT COVID-19)?
Deaths of those who were expected to die this year regardless?
Increase in suicides?

Of course, the above are figures that will NEVER be provided.
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Dee
18/12/2020 14:10:25 49 19
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You can go to the ONS website and look at the data for previous years. Last November, with an unusually low winter death rate, had 1500 people dying each week from flu and pneumonia. This November we have 1100 dying in an entire month from flu and pneumonia, the rest put down as covid. Would be nice to have some real journalism into the truth behind the statistics presented to the public.
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VoR
18/12/2020 14:45:46 4 2
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They do, if you understand the data they are sharing.
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18/12/2020 14:52:57 13 7
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There never has been any context at all since March. I would like to see how many infected people are ill, and how many are asymptomatic. And I'd like to see the figures showing how many people have died OF Covid and how many have died WITH Covid present. One of the causes of my mum's death was Alzheimer's Disease from which she had suffered for years. That didn't kill her, but pneumonia did.
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18/12/2020 14:59:29 4 2
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Need some uplifting vaccine news,soon.
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18/12/2020 15:12:51 6 5
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Don't think that the BBC includes context anymore - article yesterday re the no of scans that the NHS hasn't done because of lockdown didn't include the useful how many scans the NHS does in a year.
18/12/2020 16:08:32 0 2
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well said
al
18/12/2020 16:10:16 2 2
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All of this is already being done.
18/12/2020 16:27:50 2 1
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Brexit!! I understand the media always go over the top and that turns people off, they never learn. this pandemic has taught us many lessons but sadly they will be forgotten for people desparate to get back to 'normal' even though 'normal' isn't good enough
18/12/2020 17:06:04 1 2
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You aren't *forced* to click on these stories, there are many, many others. As for carnage, you mean stupid human interest stories meant to sway opinions and distract, there are loads of those too - even a "Covid" section on the site, but don't allow all that to prevent you from complaining about something you can avoid completely, eh?!
18/12/2020 17:35:00 1 5
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I presume you are one of those referred to in other comments about how selfish many people are. I think you should read those comments carefully.
18/12/2020 18:43:28 0 1
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Look out for Nick Triggle's content. The only one providing any perspective.
18/12/2020 19:28:59 2 1
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There's plenty of other news, including problems associated with restrictions, being reported - if you choose to ignore it, then that's your choice.

And if you think the restrictions are causing "carnage", you have no idea of the carnage that would happen without. Giving the virus free rein would cause many more deaths, and give the virus plenty of chances to mutate into something truly deadly.
18/12/2020 19:31:30 3 1
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The rest of the news ?

Did you not know that with most of the planet in some form of lock down all other news sort of just....stopped.

Its the same on most other news sources:
Covid
Brexit
US Election

Good luck finding news on anything else!
18/12/2020 19:39:17 1 1
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You sound like a Covid Denier!
18/12/2020 20:00:37 1 1
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What makes you think it's s binary choice between Covid and other illnesses? To you and others who believe in herd immunity and god knows what other theories, any opportunity to spread the virus and kill people seems to be fair game.
18/12/2020 19:58:55 1 2
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Yes let’s do that - was it really necessary to subsidise people eating and drinking out during a pandemic? What about all those who couldn’t go a year without a holiday to Spain? And the science-deniers...

Yes, let’s talk about the damage these super-spreaders have done.
18/12/2020 21:34:15 1 3
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You mean there actually is other news? Really? Next thing we will be hearing is that when we get Covid under control people will start dying of other things. Remember when old age and heart attacks used to kill us?
18/12/2020 23:00:04 1 1
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Could talk about the Brexit negotiations...
19/12/2020 00:36:10 0 1
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The BBC won't give you context
What do you expect when we live in a country of people who drive in the middle lane of the motorway for there entire journey ! Removed
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18/12/2020 13:52:25 211 56
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....and who cannot spell even basic English words...
spelling you idiot! "their" Removed
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18/12/2020 14:26:36 18 2
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Class, had one yesterday, in the 2nd fasted lane out of four doing 55mph, totally oblivous that the two inside lanes of traffic were under taking him!! Watched him for miles and stayed in the same lane. Pandemic seems to have lowered the Brit's IQ expotentially!!!
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18/12/2020 14:37:57 2 4
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Oh you sad individual
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18/12/2020 14:38:36 1 5
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Their entire journey
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18/12/2020 14:48:03 0 5
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people who live in glass houses should learn to spell.
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18/12/2020 15:02:26 1 3
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You do realise that it is a peculiar British invention that insists on everybody bunching up in one lane?
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18/12/2020 15:03:39 1 4
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Most of the comments here seem to blame others rather than the decisions made by the government, can anyone imagine if Boris said in a daily briefing, "Well it's all your fault that the R number is above 1, back in lockdown you all go."
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18/12/2020 15:05:32 3 2
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I misspelt it once, but I think I got away with it.
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18/12/2020 15:10:06 2 4
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I do find that the number of bad drivers on the road has exponentially grown in line with a decrease in general volume if traffic.

My scientific findings therefor prove that bad drivers are IMMUNE from Covid.
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18/12/2020 13:47:38 1156 108
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I'm no fan of the way that the government has handled a lot of this crisis, but much of the responsibility also rests with individuals.
Everyone has a part to play in making sensible decisions not only about their health and well-being but also the health of those they come into contact with.
Make an informed choice this winter, and own the consequences of your actions.
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18/12/2020 13:51:23 1071 148
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This year has served as a lesson that at least a third of the population are naturally selfish.
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18/12/2020 13:54:12 98 224
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It’s been nearly 9 months now, I’m more than happy to admit I don’t care anymore.
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18/12/2020 14:05:53 93 131
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You mean the same individuals who voted in favour to leave the EU are the same individuals who are incapable of common sense and thinking critically?

Wow. Shocker.
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18/12/2020 14:09:15 36 92
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I am so sick of people saying own this or own that on BBC HYS. What does it actually mean? Nothing . Nada. Zilch.
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18/12/2020 14:13:36 59 12
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Totally agree. Also a lot of the fault is in our "culture" of not obeying every rule (not necessarily a bad thing) and where the UK sits in terms of access to Western Countries. Comparing UK to remote islands like NZ and Oz is like comparing apples and bananas. We haven't done the best with Covid but neither has most of the developed world with similar population and adherence to govt advice/rules
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18/12/2020 14:14:48 29 47
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Unless you live in a country where they can truly enforce a lockdown they are really a waste and cause no end of damage to businesses and mental well being. All we are shown is the infections and deaths. We should also be presented with the data of individuals who test positive and have little to no symptoms. No wonder some are irrationally acting like this virus is a guaranteed death sentence.
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18/12/2020 14:16:07 70 16
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We live in a society that is not cohesive, we live with strangers and as a result nobody cares about each other because we can't even recognise each other, we've just learned to all ignore and keep our mouths shut or risk being labelled.

Countries like New Zealand, Korea etc. that actually got control of the virus are MUCH more cohesive societies where people actually care about each other.
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18/12/2020 14:21:43 24 11
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People are selfish, and vague inconsistent communication from the Government lets them believe that they can get away with their selfish behaviour.
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18/12/2020 14:24:18 11 11
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I think it’s natural to blame people on a pandemic when you see people flouting the rules.

However I don’t think we have properly explained the effect that front line workers and children being at school has had on the numbers.
That’s at least 20% of the population still in regular contact with people.

It doesn’t mean that we are a country of selfish idiots
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18/12/2020 14:23:46 3 7
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I have thanks. Pub pub pub
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18/12/2020 14:30:17 20 1
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People have failed to take responsibility for their health and wellbeing for a very long time. That's the real reason the NHS is so over-burdened. It's not just about this winter.
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18/12/2020 14:30:23 2 3
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and if you effect someone adversely.. how do you own that?
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18/12/2020 14:41:36 1 19
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Liar Johnson and his useless lying corrupt Tory government has DELIBERATELY spread confusion

In the hope that they wouldn't get the blame for 85,000 deaths and counting

Your comment suggests they ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT

If it wasn't against the law to rob banks

We would all be having a go
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18/12/2020 13:48:12 15 19
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Cases falling in the North yet still the restrictions remain in place damaging businesses and livelihoods. North/South divide is alive and well.
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18/12/2020 14:03:22 0 4
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It will all be irrelevant as the "experts" have already laid their claim for another national lockdown after Christmas
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18/12/2020 14:16:03 1 1
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Let's open everything up again so the north can catch up with the south
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18/12/2020 13:48:38 14 14
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Absolute insanity, but it's what I have come to expect under Boris.
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18/12/2020 13:49:03 10 20
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Utter madness that the pm is still allowing Christmas meet ups.

The children of today will pay for this, well into thier adult lives.
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18/12/2020 13:51:31 8 9
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Pay in what way? It seems to me the young will be paying the price of the consequences of the lockdowns, not the meet ups for Christmas
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18/12/2020 13:47:20 60 45
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Oh to have a government like New Zealand's
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18/12/2020 13:49:07 40 14
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New zealand has a population of 10 million
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18/12/2020 13:52:01 14 2
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Indeed. And enough land to be able to feed the ten million.

The UK hasn't. It is entirely dependent on other countries. It is not currently self-sustainable
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18/12/2020 13:53:40 4 4
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Quality over quantity ...
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18/12/2020 14:00:38 19 13
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Yes - where as we have nearly 70 M, but doesn't alter the fact they've from Day 1. made sensible decisions & carried the population with them. We however have dithered, made constant U Turns, relied totally on discredited 'modelling, so the public have totally lost faith in Government's decisions & handling of the crisis.
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18/12/2020 14:05:39 17 3
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New Zealand's population is less than 5 million. Its population density is just 15 per sq/km compared to 275 in the UK. And there's the small matter of nearly 1,000nmiles of water between it and the next major area of population. Hardly surprising that they can keep Covid out, unlike most parts of the planet.
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18/12/2020 14:10:12 2 1
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Less than 5 million, in fact.
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18/12/2020 14:27:58 5 6
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So what , the majority live in towns just like us. So you'd expect them to have approx 15% of our death and case rate . They haven't . ALSO Australia has about 30 million and they've done rather well . But then again it's easier for them because they're islands . Oh hang on!
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18/12/2020 14:49:59 3 1
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Only 5 million actually! Smaller than Scotland.
18/12/2020 15:44:51 2 1
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Make that more like 4.88 million.
18/12/2020 16:09:50 2 1
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4.8M actually
18/12/2020 17:00:57 1 1
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about what we should have as the land mass is similar
18/12/2020 19:27:50 1 1
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NZ has a population of 5 million
MrW
18/12/2020 21:31:04 0 2
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And like the UK, it's an island. Thank God we had the wisdom to take 100% control over our borders...Sheesh.
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18/12/2020 13:49:14 57 28
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Great idea to mix households at Christmas and spread the virus and then go into lockdown.
Boris please get a grip of this situation and show some leadership.
We, the people you are serving, are pleading with you..
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18/12/2020 13:54:00 57 27
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Speak for yourself, I'm looking forward to seeing family members at last. Most will be sensible about it; meanwhile the ones flout the rules would do so no matter how strict they were.
18/12/2020 15:27:24 12 1
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You don't have to mix at christmas
18/12/2020 16:05:38 3 11
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Plead give me a sreak - we should have a general strike and kick this gov out.
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18/12/2020 13:49:15 4 10
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Meanwhile on another stage Bojo the clown says Alas, we’ll just Alas.

That about sums him up.
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18/12/2020 13:49:47 9 5
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But this is before the Christmas relaxation period has even started!
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18/12/2020 13:53:22 9 7
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All due to the insane desire for a holly jolly Christmas Shopping experience. Total madness to allow shops to be open!
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18/12/2020 13:46:17 214 155
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So after all the restrictions we've endured since March, infections still on the rise.
The solution? More lock downs.
This really is "science". What a shower.
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18/12/2020 13:50:08 135 86
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Its a scandal that this farce continues.
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18/12/2020 14:03:24 21 12
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Agreed, letting the idiots ruin this for everyone is taking the piss. Repeat rule breakers should be locked up until the end the pandemic so we can remove this variable and get the infection rate down. If it doesn't work, the the problem lies elsewhere.
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18/12/2020 14:05:45 19 13
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some people might almost think the government doesn't know what it's doing

the scandal is that some people are still listening to them.
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18/12/2020 14:45:42 4 4
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"Its a scandal that this farce continues."

You don't have to post...
18/12/2020 16:17:23 2 1
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Is that the farce where we rely on the common sense of the public? I sincerely hope not!
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18/12/2020 13:50:18 17 7
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It is a really difficult situation for all, including the government, and whatever they do someone will be stuffed...But it would be really nice if they had (or seemed to have) a plan longer than 7 days in advance. We all know that if we relax restrictions cases will go up, none of what is going on is a surprise to anyone, so stop trying to bodge it and come up with a plan
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18/12/2020 13:50:28 14 11
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Of course, the conspiracy theorists are still of the opinion Covid doesn't exist and will be rattling on about NWO, plandemics and their expertise in laboratory testing until this entire thing is over.....
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18/12/2020 14:03:37 3 10
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Nonsensical drivel. Try again.
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18/12/2020 13:50:28 12 20
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i'm so glad i stopped paying attention after the 1st one , teir group, i wouldn't even begin to wonder what group im supposed to be in or what restrictions are ,seriously not a clue ,you lot are mad to follow these and call them leaders !
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18/12/2020 13:55:55 13 3
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This explains why the infection rate is increasing when people are ignoring the rules.
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18/12/2020 14:05:00 2 1
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Rather than saying “i wouldn't even begin to wonder what group im supposed to be in“, how hard is it just to enter your postcode at the website that will tell you what Tier you’re in ?
MK
18/12/2020 23:38:53 1 0
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How do you manage to get through life at all?? The tier you're in just takes a few seconds to find out. Talk about lack of effort!!!
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18/12/2020 13:50:51 23 12
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We might be able to avoid another lockdown if the Christmas relaxation of current rules was stopped. The disappointment of losing Christmas celebrations will be irrelevant in a few weeks time.
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18/12/2020 13:53:59 7 13
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So to avoid a lock down we, er, have a lock down?
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18/12/2020 14:21:04 1 3
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You are going to have these lockdowns because they want them fella - they dangle the little scape goats in front of you and you fall for it every time. Its students...its Christmas.....they are following what they are told by the ECDC and that means more lockdowns for us all....France, Germany, Italy, Greece all doing excatly the same at the same time
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18/12/2020 13:50:55 44 34
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Why is the percentage of those being tested, and found to be “positive”, not being published. This is the crucial figure, the number cases without context is meaningless. Does the percentage not fit the narrative which enables this ongoing pantomime of going around in circles for a virus which is not deadly to most.
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18/12/2020 13:54:46 13 5
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It is every day on the government web site.

MERS fatality rate is 35.5% so most people who catch that will also be ok.
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18/12/2020 14:18:31 5 7
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if you are tested in hospital, and prove Covid positive, this is added to the Covid admissions figure, another blatant bending of the facts.
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18/12/2020 14:22:23 4 1
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Well the ONS tell us there's currently 1 in every 95 people infected
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18/12/2020 14:28:11 7 5
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Yep fatality rate is probably less than 1%, fairly rough estimate. 600,000 deaths sound Ok to you, out of UK population? Of course then there is the people with severe effects but don't die.

Don't forget that the hospitals would go under long before we reached those totals so people with other serious afflictions couldn't be treated.

Definitely worth keeping those pubs open :)
18/12/2020 15:46:35 3 1
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It is being published and it is dead easy to find.
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18/12/2020 13:47:38 1156 108
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I'm no fan of the way that the government has handled a lot of this crisis, but much of the responsibility also rests with individuals.
Everyone has a part to play in making sensible decisions not only about their health and well-being but also the health of those they come into contact with.
Make an informed choice this winter, and own the consequences of your actions.
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18/12/2020 13:51:23 1071 148
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This year has served as a lesson that at least a third of the population are naturally selfish.
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18/12/2020 14:02:47 44 298
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You mean those that want to imprison us and seperate loved ones and want to make vaccinations mandatory do you mean ..
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18/12/2020 14:03:21 92 207
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Remember people! It is YOU who are to blame. You, you, you!!!

You have lost your jobs, your income, your livelihoods, everything, but it is still YOU to blame according to Julian.
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18/12/2020 14:04:56 21 55
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just the ones in a turn-of-the-century office building in Westminster
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18/12/2020 14:05:36 42 77
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And it's also served as a lesson that 43.6% of statistics are completely made up.
Who knew!
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18/12/2020 14:05:54 55 141
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More of your drivel, attacking large portions of society from behind your keyboard.
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18/12/2020 14:09:31 84 44
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and that the NHS is unfit for purpose, it has been mis managed for years, both locally and nationally.
this is what is causing the inward collapse of the country right now, I have many friends working within the NHS, the stories they tell are horrendous...
You should be 'served a lesson', of that there can be no doubt. Removed
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18/12/2020 14:16:17 58 7
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I think it also highlights that the price of democracy and freedom is that those who are naturally selfish will undoubtedly affect those who are not. Trouble is you either accept ID cards and travel documents etc. or you accept that there will always be a significant minority prepared to break or bend the rules for their own personal gain.
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18/12/2020 14:13:30 28 61
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And at least a third are sanctimonious, self righteous and more than likely on a big, fat secure income.
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18/12/2020 14:17:58 25 48
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The selfish ones are the ones who demand indefinite lockdowns for a disease which will most likely give you either a mild illness or no symptoms whatsoever.

What benefit is this to anyone under the age of 50 or the newly unemployed or those who've had their mental health ruined? And it won't be those we've locked down to protect who'll be paying for it either, it'll be the young.
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Tv
18/12/2020 14:20:40 0 2
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I'll double the blind.
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18/12/2020 14:23:01 15 24
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Unfortunately, it's not selfishness, its that Sunak has done a very very poor job in his financial support. 3 Million self employed getting nothing for starters, I could go on. bottom line is who is going to take notice of test and trace and go into isolation for 14 days watching whilst their business go's down the pan????
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18/12/2020 14:24:26 9 5
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only a third ? i would say more than half
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18/12/2020 14:40:17 8 8
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No the year has shown you can’t stop nature from taking it natural course. Lockdown is a blunt and ineffectual measure. People ought to recall we’ve not locked down as evident from the Supermarkets being open and replenished by the supply chain, power and clean water available in our homes, and the post and packaged still be delivered.
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18/12/2020 14:42:27 2 2
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Surprised you needed a year to tell you that.
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18/12/2020 13:47:20 60 45
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Oh to have a government like New Zealand's
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18/12/2020 13:51:25 22 5
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Hmm.. and also to live on an island rather isolated from the rest of the world, with few international travellers and tiny spread out population? Their situation and ours is vastly different.

BTW their last outbreak was traced back to imported frozen ready meals from China. Covid will get in whatever you do.
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CT
18/12/2020 13:49:03 10 20
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Utter madness that the pm is still allowing Christmas meet ups.

The children of today will pay for this, well into thier adult lives.
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18/12/2020 13:51:31 8 9
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Pay in what way? It seems to me the young will be paying the price of the consequences of the lockdowns, not the meet ups for Christmas
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18/12/2020 14:21:06 1 3
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You are blikered. making your point bonkers
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18/12/2020 14:44:32 1 1
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Further lockdowns are an inevitable consequence of Christmas meet ups,
we shall all be paying the price for them.
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18/12/2020 13:51:40 7 17
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I think the Government knows that we will have to go into lockdown and this one will cover a significant chunk of 2021, probably 4-6 months. Support for lockdown is still very high even for an extended period.
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18/12/2020 13:57:56 2 6
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Troll. Feel free to lock yourself up for 6 months.
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18/12/2020 13:50:33 15 7
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Meanwhile in China, they are having parties.
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18/12/2020 13:57:35 20 5
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Could the Chinese be telling lies, like when they said this virus didn't exist?
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18/12/2020 14:18:16 1 1
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and? pfft !
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18/12/2020 13:51:53 12 12
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Numbers on the increase! What did they expect? The only way to control this is to close the flaming shops. Instead they're allowing herds of people to mingle and merrily spread their germs. We'll probably see around 1000 UK deaths a day by Xmas day. And who know what's in store beyond into the NY.
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18/12/2020 13:55:50 3 2
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Some people’s jobs depend on the shops being open. As with schools, if they close then some parents have to take unpaid leave.
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 0 3
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Drivel.
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18/12/2020 13:49:07 40 14
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New zealand has a population of 10 million
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18/12/2020 13:52:01 14 2
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Indeed. And enough land to be able to feed the ten million.

The UK hasn't. It is entirely dependent on other countries. It is not currently self-sustainable
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18/12/2020 13:59:20 6 7
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We have the land, we just badly manage it!
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18/12/2020 13:52:02 104 44
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The boarders, airports and schools are all open and the infections are going up?

Hmmmmm, now why would that be?
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18/12/2020 13:57:36 68 8
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They've been open for months.
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18/12/2020 14:07:21 1 1
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Tier 2 has been open too long as well. This is also a cause of rising cases.
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18/12/2020 14:17:45 17 1
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Presumably the boarders are stuck in their rooms self-isolating?
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18/12/2020 14:26:39 3 3
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The airports were all open all over the summer and we didn't have a problem then ....but the schools were closed.
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18/12/2020 14:48:01 0 1
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I don’t know, tell me?
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18/12/2020 15:12:16 2 5
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Thank goodness everyone doesn't have your selfish attitude or the travel sector really would be in trouble.
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18/12/2020 15:19:43 5 1
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Are these boarders all at boarding schools or are you thinking of something else?
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18/12/2020 15:20:05 12 2
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Because they should have closed them in March ??? Like the islands of Australia and New Zealand did.

We could then be enjoying Christmas rather than cowering through it. Tough love then would have stopped the majority of the deaths, economic pain and ongoing misery. If only we had that sort of political will and leadership.
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18/12/2020 15:21:46 6 2
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Who are these boarders or did you mean BORDERS. What really needs to be done is to legislate to make people stay within their Covid tier area and not transmit infection around the country!!
18/12/2020 15:58:38 2 1
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the word is 'Borders'
18/12/2020 17:17:49 0 1
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The boarders in the schools do you mean? Boarding schools? Not sure they are relevant!
Or maybe you just can't spell......
18/12/2020 17:21:50 0 1
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Irish border is open with visitors arriving daily.
18/12/2020 23:47:34 0 0
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Where are these boarders staying?
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JL
18/12/2020 13:52:14 13 30
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99%+ survival rate and those who die *with Covid live on average LONGER than those who die without Covid.

But yeah, lock down the world!
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18/12/2020 13:58:03 5 1
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Any plans for how YOU would stop ICUs being filled when your masterplan to "crack on" and spread the virus takes off?

Nah, thought not.

Just tropes.
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18/12/2020 14:00:55 0 1
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How on earth do you know that those who have Covid live longer? Citation please.
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18/12/2020 14:01:51 2 1
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"those who die *with Covid live on average LONGER than those who die without Covid."

So are you implying that catching covid increases your life expectancy? Don't be so stupid.
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18/12/2020 14:06:13 2 1
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"99+%" math is not your strong point. More b s does not help anybody; least yourself!
18/12/2020 19:38:08 0 1
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How can somebody who dies with Covid live longer?
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18/12/2020 13:47:20 60 45
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Oh to have a government like New Zealand's
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18/12/2020 13:52:17 16 1
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And a population density like theirs
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18/12/2020 13:57:24 9 19
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Population density has nothing to do with it. The virus doesn't care whether you'd travelled 10meters or 100miles to see someone.

It can't travel more than 2m on it's own, and nowhere does population density itself force people that close together.
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18/12/2020 13:52:19 215 14
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I'm amazed London and South East has not been harder hit earlier given its density and population i.e. Population 1.3 times that of Scotland and in a land mass area 1/50th the size. We all need to take care and not lower our guard to mitigate hospital admissions wherever - but at some point next year we really will need to consider living with this rather than reacting - bring on the vaccines
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18/12/2020 13:54:12 96 78
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They were worried about jobs there, @#£& the rest of us.
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18/12/2020 13:55:35 13 12
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Why?

Population density isn't the issue. It's social contact that matters. The virus doesn't care whether you travelled 10 meters or 100 miles to see someone.

Anything over 2m is entirely due to social contacts not population density. Nowhere is the population so dense that people forced within 2m of each other due to population density.
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18/12/2020 15:17:13 6 3
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These areas were hit really badly in March. Brent and Ealing in London were probably the first hot spots before lockdown. There's probably some degree of herd immunity involved in their hospital admissions not spiking to levels seen back in March.
18/12/2020 15:39:39 3 4
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Dense certainly has a lot to do with it!
18/12/2020 15:43:26 8 3
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I agree. The population of London and the South East is the densest in the UK.
18/12/2020 16:15:00 1 4
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Isn't it amazing how the numbers have risen so quickly? Almost like the numbers were previously understated.
18/12/2020 17:16:45 3 3
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It has been hit hard for weeks and months. Labour and Cons are London Centric, that is the problem.
18/12/2020 17:57:35 2 1
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Why change policy just because of Covid? Lets just build more houses in the South East because that's where the work is. In offices. And lets plough a High Speed Train right though the chalk aquifer that supplies the drinking water.
18/12/2020 18:24:19 0 2
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Get that vaccine distributed NOW
18/12/2020 18:42:52 1 2
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You'll get some northerners, with the usual massive chip on their shoulders, making accusations about favouritism but you have to remember that London is mainly office based work so they are working at home. Also, London is a massive city. Covid wasn't high in all areas of London. It is now hence tier3
18/12/2020 18:58:35 1 2
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That’s the reason they have a new strain of covid, serves them right bragging about not being in tier3 like the north and the Midlands, now you’ve got a stronger strain, get used to losing more of your loved one’s now.
18/12/2020 19:02:55 2 1
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Yes, London where I live, has a greater population than Sweden. I always wear a mask, but many people don't care, until they discover that the guard at the entrance to H&M, won't allow them in. AS he is a large burly man, refusniks tend to comply or to go away.
What do you expect when we live in a country of people who drive in the middle lane of the motorway for there entire journey ! Removed
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18/12/2020 13:52:25 211 56
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....and who cannot spell even basic English words...
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18/12/2020 14:03:03 34 15
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What do you expect when we live in a country of people who drive in the middle lane of the motorway for their entire journey! Is that better I've now turned off my EU spell checker !
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18/12/2020 14:08:00 3 15
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your quick
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18/12/2020 14:25:24 9 12
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And of course, perfect english is so much more important than what people actually have to say, isn't it, oh Grammer Plice Person...

(Spelling deliberate, for the avoidance of doubt)
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18/12/2020 14:33:11 4 3
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they should of listened to there teecher
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ken
18/12/2020 14:35:49 5 4
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It's about comments not an English exam if you have nothing to say than don't respond
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18/12/2020 14:38:21 0 3
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??????
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rne
18/12/2020 14:41:35 2 2
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Right spelling, wrong word!
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18/12/2020 14:43:31 0 5
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There were no incorrectly spelled words in that comment.

One word was misplaced for another but it was still correctly spelled.
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18/12/2020 14:49:19 6 3
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When people "misspell" basic words, particularly "there" and "their", it might be predictive text auto-correcting.
However, "should of", just being thick.
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18/12/2020 13:47:20 60 45
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Oh to have a government like New Zealand's
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18/12/2020 13:52:48 21 19
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May be 10 million understand social distancing better than the ignorant 50 million in the Uk who flout every rule and kept on mixing at univerisities and throwing house parties in the North and Midlands and in pubs and bars across the county , believing it was their inalienable right to spread the virus
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18/12/2020 14:30:15 2 2
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So if southerners are such saints, why tier 3?
18/12/2020 16:11:33 0 2
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and more self righteous nonsense -0.2 % found at University of Portsmouth , 10000 tested at Cambridge , 9 found in fact all false positives because the test is not fit for purpose , surely its 67 million who are ignorant except you ?
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18/12/2020 13:52:55 84 79
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The Tories have been incompetent and negligent in their handling of the coronavirus pandemic. Over 66k official deaths, and rising....

In contrast:

Japan - less than 3k deaths.
South Korea - less than 1k deaths.

Oh, for a competent government!
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18/12/2020 13:56:33 79 26
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In contrast, Italy....
And we have a vaccine. In fact the first in the world. I suppose that is "incompetent and negligent", is it?
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18/12/2020 13:58:10 14 3
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Would you really want to live under the Korean regime??
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18/12/2020 14:00:01 4 2
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About 500000 lives saved, should total competence.
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18/12/2020 14:00:41 25 3
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Comparing and belittling the UK to just 2 countries is highly biased. We have not done well, nor have many others. Also, it's not totally the government's fault. Individual responsibility here in the UK by so many is simply poor.
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18/12/2020 14:03:05 17 1
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The people spread the disease. Having lived in both there is a significant difference in the way their people behave. Photos in the press demonstrate much of our behavour.
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18/12/2020 14:06:28 21 2
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That's because Japan has a culture or respecting others and doing what your told !
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18/12/2020 14:09:52 18 2
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Different culture, different view on personal responsibility. Oh for a community that actually cares for each other and we might have seen the UK deaths at lower levels. The pandemic is not government (any government), responsibility it is a personal one.
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18/12/2020 14:14:39 4 10
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how do you know there have been 66k deaths purely caused by Covid, no one else does.
still waiting to hear how many people have died of flu this year, no one seems to know that either.....
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18/12/2020 14:15:00 11 1
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Cases per 100, 000 of population
England............ 2.7% with 0.95% deaths
Wales..................3.2% with 0.91% deaths
Scotland............2.0% with 0.08% deaths

So in fact the Tory English Government are neither much worse than Welsh Labour, or much better than SNP Scotland, and given the fact that the virus seems to spread more in built up areas, probably about on a par
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18/12/2020 14:16:52 5 5
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Oh, for the opportunity to vote for an alternative to the two political parties that have made a less than brilliant job of governing Britain for many decades!
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18/12/2020 14:17:19 11 2
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You cannot possibly compare us with Japan and South Korea. Society their has immeasurably more social and personal responsibility; the government asked and the people listened and acted accordingly. We are nothing alike... here people refuse to be inconvenienced and they know the deaths they cause won't be traced back to them so they just carry on. Pathetic.
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18/12/2020 14:33:42 0 1
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Or a totalitarian one all the time such that the population always do as they are told. Our freedom allowed this, a minority of stupid people caused it
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18/12/2020 15:03:10 0 1
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Here, here!
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18/12/2020 15:11:44 1 3
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....oh for a compliant population.
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18/12/2020 15:23:18 1 3
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Are you saying all counties apart from Japan and Korea have incompetent governments as we are no worse than other counties. And what would you had done better!! In Japan they are used to wearing masks normally.if every body wore masks as soon they go outside the front door. We would be in a better position.
18/12/2020 15:50:04 0 1
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I wonder if there is some differences in reporting - ie in the UK a death is "anyone who has died for any reason with 28 days of testing positive" - are the Japanese and South Koreans using that or "anyone where covid has been determined as the cause of death" - the numbers will differ, not sure whether the difference will be substantial but it is possible they are
18/12/2020 16:39:47 0 1
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Don't blame the government for the morons.
18/12/2020 18:32:46 0 1
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But those 66,000 deaths are not purely deaths from Covid19 alone!! I bet about 59,950 are deaths from other reasons within 28days of positive Covid19 test !! So possibly 50 people died from Covid19 only !! Media sensationalism and promoting Govts Project Fear with impunity !!
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DJG
18/12/2020 13:47:25 430 237
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Can we please start reporting on the rest of the news? Or maybe some analysis of the carnage being caused by restrictions. Or all the other deaths? Some context please.
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Only other news is Boris seeking a no deal brexit under the orders of his banker owners. Removed
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18/12/2020 14:06:28 53 19
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Steady on. People are allowed to die of anything except covid. Cancer, heart disease, all fine. As long as you aren't one of the 98% that either don't have any symptoms or have very mild ones from covid, then you are free to shuffle off.
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18/12/2020 14:45:08 2 3
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Yawn .... thanks Karl!
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18/12/2020 13:46:17 214 155
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So after all the restrictions we've endured since March, infections still on the rise.
The solution? More lock downs.
This really is "science". What a shower.
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18/12/2020 13:53:07 46 19
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But the March lockdown brought a massive decrease in cases which we then blew by eat out to help out and Uni students going back to campus
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18/12/2020 14:01:27 5 27
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Are yo sure about that? You know it, do you? Or just making it up?
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18/12/2020 15:01:47 6 7
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The weather brought a massive decrease in cases. It's called 'summer'.
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18/12/2020 15:11:34 5 10
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Eat out did not bring the rise in this virus. This virus thrives in winter and the associated indoor breeding ground. Lockdowns kick the can down the road and merely slow it down. This continued locking down of the country is killing just as many through other illnesses and as for the economy, it'll take decades to recover. Change of policy is needed especially with the vaccination here.
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DJG
18/12/2020 13:47:25 430 237
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Can we please start reporting on the rest of the news? Or maybe some analysis of the carnage being caused by restrictions. Or all the other deaths? Some context please.
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18/12/2020 13:53:13 60 57
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It was said from the beginning of the year there would be massive problems due to Covid, including additional deaths and economic problems. Those issues will not go until people stop spreading Covid.

That is not a difficult concept.

If you are unsure, speak to an ICU nurse about this entire disease....
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18/12/2020 14:01:43 52 57
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Well done for avoiding the question and towing the Party line Julian.

Baaaaaaaaa
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18/12/2020 14:06:08 18 24
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Drivel.
18/12/2020 19:07:27 1 2
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I regular speak to the ICU/Critical Care staff and they are thoroughly fed up of it and the hysterical reporting of it it seems
18/12/2020 22:47:30 0 2
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It’s a virus not a disease...but like a cold or flu, or even SARs; remember how that was going to kill us all. And swine flu, oh and bird flu!! ??????????????
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18/12/2020 13:49:47 9 5
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But this is before the Christmas relaxation period has even started!
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18/12/2020 13:53:22 9 7
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All due to the insane desire for a holly jolly Christmas Shopping experience. Total madness to allow shops to be open!
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18/12/2020 13:46:03 16 7
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So much for Christmas mixing being the action that starts the third wave (or whatever we want to call it).
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18/12/2020 13:53:25 39 13
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If the third wave has starte, the Xmas mixing will make it a tsunami
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18/12/2020 13:49:07 40 14
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New zealand has a population of 10 million
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18/12/2020 13:53:40 4 4
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Quality over quantity ...
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18/12/2020 13:53:40 279 105
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"Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown"

Hope? How about some competent, decisive action?

You allow the "Boris saves Christmas" amnesty nonsense to go ahead, then just abdicate responsibility for its potential outcome by delegating critical public health choices to the people.
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18/12/2020 14:02:20 174 56
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The "Boris saves Christmas" amnesty hasn't started yet and yet new cases are already going through the roof. What do you want, total lockdown until the majority have been vaccinated? What is your idea of decisive action?
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18/12/2020 14:02:36 21 11
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Christmas get togethers leads to increase in cases leads to lockdown in January.
Might as well lock them down now.
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18/12/2020 14:25:04 50 6
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The Christmas 'amnesty' is really just giving people a little leeway, any sensible person still does the minimum, they clearly realised that the majority of the population would break the rules, so better to relax them a little.

No one should actually need rules, its very obvious what to do to protect you, your loved ones and the rest of society. Sadly many will still carry on regardless.
18/12/2020 15:28:10 13 3
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Yes the government know that the Christmas will cause an increase in infections. Yes this will cause more deaths.

Having weighed up the pros and cons they've decided that the long term benefits to our society of allowing families to see each other over Christmas outweigh the damage of a few thousand extra deaths.

If you disagree with them then there will be an election in 2024.
18/12/2020 15:36:32 3 3
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how about some competant decisive action from the likes of you
18/12/2020 15:44:16 5 1
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The Christmas amnesty is just an acknowledgement that lockdowns only work with majority support from the public and since the majority of the public will be doing Christmas (pretty much) as normal, introducing rules you know you can't enforce is just setting yourself up for a fall.

People will mix at Christmas so politically its just about deciding which side of the PR fall out you want to be on
18/12/2020 17:09:48 1 3
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You’re up for a facist state the? Ever thought of moving to Russia or Korea, you’ll get plenty of direction there.
18/12/2020 17:14:53 1 3
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Take responsibility for your own actions. Listen to the advice and use commonsense. Government takes decisive action, you moan, they react late, you moan.
18/12/2020 18:11:45 0 3
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The media reports, "Boris saves Christmas", " Nicola Sturgeon cancels Christmas". See what's going on here? Both Countries require enforced lockdown and immediate vaccination.
18/12/2020 20:39:15 1 1
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Avondale47
I have just collected my Grandson from school. Even though the school requested parents to wear masks I think about 50/60% complied. I don't care what the PM said, it is still down to everyone to help prevent the spread of the virus. I have lost three family members to the virus, so as far as I'm concerned they were killed by the selfish people.
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18/12/2020 13:53:45 963 148
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Please people , make space, wear a mask

My wife is upstairs coughing away having contracted covid at the shop where she works. My daughter has cronic asthma and has now contracted covid probably from my wife. Im having to care for them both even though im in a vulnerable group with type2 diabetes.

All because some selfish people (that's the polite version) think the rules don't apply to them.
Yes, masks prevent spreading, lol Removed
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18/12/2020 13:55:20 198 61
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This is why we need lockdown. People are too stupid and selfish to follow guidelines.
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18/12/2020 14:12:34 92 190
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sad, but true, you cannot close down the world for a disease that simply makes most people cough, it's ridiculous.
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18/12/2020 14:16:13 131 53
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Best wishes to your wife and daughter.
It is only a matter of time before the maskless are highlighted as the main cause...!
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18/12/2020 14:23:21 97 96
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Why do people think the virus only spreads because of the actions of selfish people? Viruses have been honing their skills for millions of years and will do for millions more.
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18/12/2020 14:32:28 21 9
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Well said and completely true. Hope you all get better soon
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18/12/2020 14:45:27 18 17
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Letting people shop without masks is beyond me. No mask No service should of been the call months ago.
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18/12/2020 14:46:02 11 5
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Hope all recover well.
Regards masks - A lot of what people are wearing are less than 20% effective and that includes any cloth covering.
People who wear masks rarely social distance, they think masks protect them!
The rates of infection in countries like Spain where masks are mandatory in all public space has increased rapidly - How?
Without doubt there are questions that need to be asked
700
18/12/2020 14:54:06 18 15
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You don't know that your wife contracted COVID from someone being selfish.
795
18/12/2020 15:05:11 11 16
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Try taking some personal responsibility ... so scared of the virus, so vulnerable then why didn't you all stay at home? You are aware this is seasonal flu time. ou don't need personal responsibility though do you, we live in the blame culture.
18/12/2020 15:23:46 7 6
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Well said and I hope all is OK, I am however horrified as to why idiots chose to down vote this, unbelievable ... ??
18/12/2020 15:25:30 4 3
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Maybe these selfish people are thinking they'll get a £45,000 pay rise if they break the rules more than once?
43
18/12/2020 13:53:47 10 20
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Less than 1% of those infected with this very moderate virus will experience severe symptoms. My sympathies to them, but a more rational approach is surely on the horizon.
70
18/12/2020 13:56:38 12 3
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So, how would you deal with the massive demand on ICU beds when your plan to "crack on" makes the virus spread further?

Answers on a postcard to your nearest critical care nurse.
75
18/12/2020 13:57:06 3 1
bbc
Yes must not get in the way of your holidays and pub visits.
268
18/12/2020 14:13:09 0 1
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"1%"; you are deluded!
MrW
18/12/2020 21:47:01 0 0
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Please tell us with enough detail to implement what your more rational approach is. That would be brilliant....
19
18/12/2020 13:50:51 23 12
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We might be able to avoid another lockdown if the Christmas relaxation of current rules was stopped. The disappointment of losing Christmas celebrations will be irrelevant in a few weeks time.
44
18/12/2020 13:53:59 7 13
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So to avoid a lock down we, er, have a lock down?
244
18/12/2020 14:10:50 1 1
bbc
To avoid the situation getting even more out of control. seems you have; Trumpian cognitive issues.
18/12/2020 19:33:29 0 1
bbc
To avoid lockdown we act sensibly when asked to observe social distancing,wear a face mask and wash hands frequently.Have these simple answers evaded your few brain cells?
MrW
18/12/2020 21:34:08 0 1
bbc
Or we have...?
12
18/12/2020 13:49:14 57 28
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Great idea to mix households at Christmas and spread the virus and then go into lockdown.
Boris please get a grip of this situation and show some leadership.
We, the people you are serving, are pleading with you..
45
18/12/2020 13:54:00 57 27
bbc
Speak for yourself, I'm looking forward to seeing family members at last. Most will be sensible about it; meanwhile the ones flout the rules would do so no matter how strict they were.
101
18/12/2020 13:59:15 16 15
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Great, meet your family members then moan to the high heavens when there's a lockdown implemented due to the selfish individuals who think the rules don't apply to them...
18/12/2020 17:42:15 1 3
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Have a lovely Christmas.
46
18/12/2020 13:54:03 21 8
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Depends where you live. Rates per 100,000 in my area are less than a third of what they were pre November lockdown.
124
18/12/2020 14:00:58 5 10
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So, YorkshireAndProud, in your expert opinion what is a safe rate per 100,000 ?
MrW
18/12/2020 21:48:24 0 1
bbc
At the moment.. it will change one way or the other. Your point is?
31
18/12/2020 13:52:19 215 14
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I'm amazed London and South East has not been harder hit earlier given its density and population i.e. Population 1.3 times that of Scotland and in a land mass area 1/50th the size. We all need to take care and not lower our guard to mitigate hospital admissions wherever - but at some point next year we really will need to consider living with this rather than reacting - bring on the vaccines
47
18/12/2020 13:54:12 96 78
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They were worried about jobs there, @#£& the rest of us.
975
18/12/2020 15:21:33 8 8
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' streets aint paved in gold down here'
its killing all groups, Please grow up
18/12/2020 17:08:37 3 5
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... and another ridiculous response.
18/12/2020 18:34:51 1 4
bbc
Living with it is correct but not through vaccination, less than half the country can be vaccinated in a year and it only last 6-9 months so at that point the first need vaccinating again...... vaccination not a long term solution, lets face it nature dictates survival of the fittest, always has and always will
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18/12/2020 13:47:38 1156 108
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I'm no fan of the way that the government has handled a lot of this crisis, but much of the responsibility also rests with individuals.
Everyone has a part to play in making sensible decisions not only about their health and well-being but also the health of those they come into contact with.
Make an informed choice this winter, and own the consequences of your actions.
48
18/12/2020 13:54:12 98 224
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It’s been nearly 9 months now, I’m more than happy to admit I don’t care anymore.
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Rob
18/12/2020 14:11:26 161 24
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Yep, we all feel like we've had enough, but it kills people and the only reason it hasn't killed a lot more is because of the sacrifices everybody has made. The media need to start showing inside A&Es and ICUs again to remind people of what we were seeing earlier this year... rather than people partying in the street which just encourages others to join them.
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Mop
18/12/2020 13:54:23 56 53
bbc
All bozo cares about is getting a no deal brexit and serving his banker owners even more.
205
18/12/2020 14:06:49 29 27
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Bozo has never cared about anyone but himself.
Grow up you melt. Removed
18/12/2020 15:53:29 1 1
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Snore. Any evidence for this rubbish or is it pure speculation? And don’t just point me towards a hedge fund that has some short positions in some companies - this proves nothing.
2
18/12/2020 13:46:17 214 155
bbc
So after all the restrictions we've endured since March, infections still on the rise.
The solution? More lock downs.
This really is "science". What a shower.
50
18/12/2020 13:54:24 62 16
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Lockdowns are not the problem. People making them last longer by ignoring the simple rules and spreading an infection are the actual problem.
121
18/12/2020 14:00:55 4 41
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No, you're the problem.
194
18/12/2020 14:06:09 1 10
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it's so simple. so simple. so simply simply simple.

sing along.
51
18/12/2020 13:54:45 80 22
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So no increase in 17 to 24 year olds when the pubs are shut, strange that.
296
18/12/2020 14:12:14 88 33
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These days if you walked into a pub you would probably see very few 17-24 year olds. Most common age of people in the pub these days are 35 plus and their kids or grand kids as you pass the 50 bracket. The days of pubs being packed out by students and carefree people in their 20s ended in the early 2000s
18/12/2020 16:42:11 2 1
bbc
Could be something to do with all the Universities being closed
18/12/2020 18:51:16 7 1
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That's because they're all at a house party in Nottingham
52
18/12/2020 13:54:46 5 15
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I have been told by a reliable source ,someone who went for a Covid drive through test left before being tested because they had to go to the toilet and could not find one. They had a positive test through the door even though the test was not conducted.
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18/12/2020 14:01:53 0 2
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I am aware of a similar scenario : the person was booked in for a test but felt better on the day so did not go - received confirmation that their test for covid was positive ! Explain that .
53
18/12/2020 13:54:46 17 21
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Lockdowns are an utter waste of time and money.
196
18/12/2020 14:06:14 0 3
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...and peoples lives as their jobs have gone and they see no future for themselves....bj and mh should be prosecuted for ALL suicides where a note states its due to job loss rona related
MrW
18/12/2020 21:51:19 0 1
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Seatbelts are an utter waste of time and money.
Stop being contrary.
20
18/12/2020 13:50:55 44 34
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Why is the percentage of those being tested, and found to be “positive”, not being published. This is the crucial figure, the number cases without context is meaningless. Does the percentage not fit the narrative which enables this ongoing pantomime of going around in circles for a virus which is not deadly to most.
54
18/12/2020 13:54:46 13 5
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It is every day on the government web site.

MERS fatality rate is 35.5% so most people who catch that will also be ok.
108
18/12/2020 14:00:07 10 7
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And for covid it is considerably less than 1%, but let’s all hide away for ever just in case.
239
18/12/2020 14:10:14 9 2
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You don't expect a professional moaner to read the government website, let alone believe it?

What would they complain about then...
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18/12/2020 13:46:17 214 155
bbc
So after all the restrictions we've endured since March, infections still on the rise.
The solution? More lock downs.
This really is "science". What a shower.
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18/12/2020 13:54:51 43 20
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It's always been science encumbered by politics, the real science would say - we have this virus that spreads exponentially, let's lock down once and hard to eradicate it, then get on with out lives. But Boris Johnson missed that boat by miles, didn't even attend the cobra meetings about the virus. And did he learn his lesson? No he was too late again with the autumn second wave
203
18/12/2020 14:06:38 10 20
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According to remoaners, EU nations acted decisively and in timely fashion. Have you seen what's happening in EU countries? Try relaxing your Boris derangement syndrome for a while and look around you.
815
18/12/2020 15:07:25 4 9
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No, the real problem is that SAGE believe that only they are correct and there is no alternative to what they say. However there are plenty of eminent scientists in UK universities who have questioned SAGE's interpretation and decision making but the SAGE juggernaut will not change. One of the biggest problems is the hubris of Johnson, Witty, Vallance and Van Tham.
952
18/12/2020 15:19:48 5 5
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This virus is here for the foreseeable future, sadly many more lives will be lost over the next decade or so. This virus won't be eradicated and the sooner people realise this the better. Chris Withy admitted this and said it's a political decision what is an acceptable level of deaths for covid. We have to learn to live with covid despite the vaccination so why lockdown again when it don't work.
jez
18/12/2020 15:46:59 4 2
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Yes we should have gone earlier and harder like Wales did, then we would be in a much better position. Just ask anyone in Wales right now. Oh hang on........
18/12/2020 18:45:19 2 1
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If your blaming Boris then Nicola and Mark are in the same bracket as they’ve messed up too
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18/12/2020 13:53:45 963 148
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Please people , make space, wear a mask

My wife is upstairs coughing away having contracted covid at the shop where she works. My daughter has cronic asthma and has now contracted covid probably from my wife. Im having to care for them both even though im in a vulnerable group with type2 diabetes.

All because some selfish people (that's the polite version) think the rules don't apply to them.
Yes, masks prevent spreading, lol Removed
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18/12/2020 13:56:59 109 23
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They do
YES they do you idiot.... why do you think asia has virtually zero covid???? 100% mask wearing from day 1. Removed
You really are a heartless knight, aren't you?

And a clueless one!
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18/12/2020 14:26:36 178 69
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Masks do prevent the spread. Every study has show that. To say otherwise is simply fake news.
444
18/12/2020 14:29:23 19 9
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Please don’t lol it spreads the virus. Some folks never learn.
465
18/12/2020 14:31:20 37 26
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No. They reduce the risk of it spreading. Which is why your attitude is so selfish.
469
18/12/2020 14:31:46 34 25
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Yes they do. That’s why we wear them
515
18/12/2020 14:36:03 26 10
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People seem to have no problem with indirectly causing a person's death after all they don't know them and it imposes on their personal freedoms and their obviously scientific knowledge take priority
Explain why the economy is going to crash again.
Hopefully the vaccine works otherwise the consequences are going to be dire
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VoR
18/12/2020 14:44:40 24 9
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As ignorant as you are dangerous.
617
18/12/2020 14:46:25 14 17
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Masks do stop the spread and it's only attitudes likes yours that don't stop the spread, hurt and upset.... go wash your hands, bet you don't do that either!
622
18/12/2020 14:46:40 6 7
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they do, actually. I work with vulnerable people and I completely agree and sympathise with frank220
684
18/12/2020 14:52:24 16 9
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Eh? They're passably effective at inhibiting the spread of microbe-laden droplets of mucus when somebody coughs or sneezes but clearly ineffective at general control of infection. We've had them on buses and in shops for months when the infection rate has been low, compliance has been near total and still the C19 nfection rate has shot up.

Essentially they're all but useless.
696
18/12/2020 14:53:48 11 7
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What an absolute goon you are.
716
18/12/2020 14:56:06 18 11
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why do you think they wear them in operating theatres - to hide? written like a true spreader.
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Ian
18/12/2020 15:14:16 1 2
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Correct, they do. Or were you really stating the obvious?
916
18/12/2020 15:16:11 3 7
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Why would you ever think they don't ? There was a chart produced recently from scientific evidence highlighting if two individuals both wear a mask correctly the risk of infection is reduced by over 95%. This virus is only caught by droplets of fluid from an infected person picked up by another. So if the mouth and nose have a layer of protection then logically a mask must help. Its obvious.
994
18/12/2020 15:23:17 2 1
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Another expert
57
18/12/2020 13:54:56 101 68
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~40 years of massive underfunding of the NHS to keep income taxes down. Didn’t quite take this into account did it?
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18/12/2020 13:58:47 73 73
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40 years of doctors giving up on supporting their patients and prescribing a pill for an ill instead led to this ...
522
18/12/2020 14:36:34 31 11
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The NHS is not and never has been under-funded. It is desperately inefficient with the money that is thrown at it. It has become a drain on this country.
526
18/12/2020 14:37:02 28 5
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40 years of treading on egg shells, whilst NHS trusts build empires of managers, the top of the pile who earn a lot more than the PM. They are paid to effectively plan and deliver their services. Shambled, need to start again.
971
18/12/2020 15:21:12 15 3
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Single biggest employer in Europe. Fourth or fifth (depending on method of measurement) biggest employer in the world.
18/12/2020 15:40:56 15 3
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NHS has not been underfunded. Take a look at local Trust accounts and where money is spent and how fraud rears its ugly head. Example - toner cartridges ordered for non existent printers, sold on e-bay by NHS member of staff who was prosecuted for fraud and dismissed. I discovered this whilst undertaking an audit. It then took many weeks of investigation, and tracing.
18/12/2020 18:03:09 3 1
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40 years of PHE dreaming up new things for the NHS to provide then crying that it needs more and more money to fund their "wouldn't it be nice to have this on the NHS" wishlists.
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18/12/2020 13:47:04 194 46
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As a respiratory virus Covid will spread in every environment humans use. Therefore it’s wrong to blame a specific behaviour or setting as being wholly responsible for its problems.

This Christmas it’s not just important to try and reduce Covid spread where possible, but we must not spread blame and division either. The latter can do more damage to society long-term than Covid ever could.
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18/12/2020 13:55:07 121 45
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NO we cant dare to make society and indiv8ual responsible for their actions . after all we have has 30 years of successive governments telling people its alright for people to do whatever pleases them selves.
Guess who started the "there is no such thing as society? Hint--she hated ted heath! Guess who stated the whole e.u. balls-up? Hint.Thatcher hated him! Removed
18/12/2020 15:27:37 17 13
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So you'd like to live in a world where your everyday freedoms are curtailed by a government that controls every aspect of your life? Sure, that country exists already - the pandemic started there.
18/12/2020 19:07:16 0 4
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Yes, and we have the misfortune to have a rule breaker in chief as PM.
19/12/2020 01:52:46 0 1
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So who are you going to blame? The people catching it for not living in a sealed room?
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18/12/2020 13:46:17 214 155
bbc
So after all the restrictions we've endured since March, infections still on the rise.
The solution? More lock downs.
This really is "science". What a shower.
59
18/12/2020 13:55:09 47 4
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The "science" is that the virus spreads on close contact between humans.

The restrictions can't end the epidemic, but they do damp it down - so it's all about a balance between saving lives and saving jobs. This really is a fairly simple concept.
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18/12/2020 14:04:48 19 35
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Simple concept, is it? I'm still waiting for a simple answer as to why it's suddenly started spreading when we've all been socially distant and wearing stupid masks for months. I know that snobs will claim it's because of "people ignoring the rules". So people started ignoring the rules in November and not before, did they?
597
18/12/2020 14:45:09 1 1
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"This really is a fairly simple concept."

Are people -allowed- to talk sense on HYS...

(Given how wel humour works with some of the bridge dwellers on here, I'm agreeing with you)
60
18/12/2020 13:55:10 8 13
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Until we don't get rid of this gov we will never solvd the problem
68
18/12/2020 13:56:32 12 2
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Germany is in lock down ... should Germany get rid of Merkel ?
119
18/12/2020 14:00:49 0 1
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Did you mean “until we get rid of this government we won’t solve the problem”? (best to submit posts in English on this site...)
42
18/12/2020 13:53:45 963 148
bbc
Please people , make space, wear a mask

My wife is upstairs coughing away having contracted covid at the shop where she works. My daughter has cronic asthma and has now contracted covid probably from my wife. Im having to care for them both even though im in a vulnerable group with type2 diabetes.

All because some selfish people (that's the polite version) think the rules don't apply to them.
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18/12/2020 13:55:20 198 61
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This is why we need lockdown. People are too stupid and selfish to follow guidelines.
31
18/12/2020 13:52:19 215 14
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I'm amazed London and South East has not been harder hit earlier given its density and population i.e. Population 1.3 times that of Scotland and in a land mass area 1/50th the size. We all need to take care and not lower our guard to mitigate hospital admissions wherever - but at some point next year we really will need to consider living with this rather than reacting - bring on the vaccines
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18/12/2020 13:55:35 13 12
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Why?

Population density isn't the issue. It's social contact that matters. The virus doesn't care whether you travelled 10 meters or 100 miles to see someone.

Anything over 2m is entirely due to social contacts not population density. Nowhere is the population so dense that people forced within 2m of each other due to population density.
LJ
18/12/2020 15:35:42 13 5
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"Nowhere is the population so dense that people forced within 2m of each other due to population density."

This absolutely IS the case in many major cities - especially London.
18/12/2020 16:25:11 13 4
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How about on a the Tube during rush hour? I try to avoid people all the time but people regularly wander within 2m of me in shops and cues or on paths etc. How can population density NOT be a factor in a disease spread by human contact?
18/12/2020 19:39:25 0 2
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Pretty much the whole of epidemiological history disagrees with you, but don't let that stop you posting nonsense under a silly political pseudonym.
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18/12/2020 13:47:04 194 46
bbc
As a respiratory virus Covid will spread in every environment humans use. Therefore it’s wrong to blame a specific behaviour or setting as being wholly responsible for its problems.

This Christmas it’s not just important to try and reduce Covid spread where possible, but we must not spread blame and division either. The latter can do more damage to society long-term than Covid ever could.
63
18/12/2020 13:55:37 10 15
bbc
Don't worry, the BBC will blame the older generation for you!
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18/12/2020 13:51:53 12 12
bbc
Numbers on the increase! What did they expect? The only way to control this is to close the flaming shops. Instead they're allowing herds of people to mingle and merrily spread their germs. We'll probably see around 1000 UK deaths a day by Xmas day. And who know what's in store beyond into the NY.
64
18/12/2020 13:55:50 3 2
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Some people’s jobs depend on the shops being open. As with schools, if they close then some parents have to take unpaid leave.
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jay
18/12/2020 13:50:28 12 20
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i'm so glad i stopped paying attention after the 1st one , teir group, i wouldn't even begin to wonder what group im supposed to be in or what restrictions are ,seriously not a clue ,you lot are mad to follow these and call them leaders !
65
18/12/2020 13:55:55 13 3
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This explains why the infection rate is increasing when people are ignoring the rules.
18/12/2020 15:40:10 1 2
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No it doesn't. What it does do is get you to blame each other, instead of questioning the actual data. Why test the asymptomatic when there have been many studies that say there's rarely any asymptomatic spread? Genuine studies? Cambridge University recently tested 9000 students. They found 5 positives. 5. And when they retested, it turns out every single one was false. 1 in 95 has the disease?
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18/12/2020 13:55:58 260 50
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I see no one mentions the Swedish Covid Plan anymore ... all went a bit pear shaped.
97
18/12/2020 13:58:58 23 155
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And the relevance of Sweden is?
155
18/12/2020 14:03:07 28 15
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No doubt Farage is still spouting on about it.
317
18/12/2020 14:15:42 15 28
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any worse than ours if you believe our governments narrative? More dead, more infections, only way to survive is to bunker down in your houses with zero human contact for potentially years
18/12/2020 15:53:07 26 11
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At least their leaders had the honest decency to come out and admit they were wrong: try getting our politicians to that for literally anything.
18/12/2020 16:37:32 6 2
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"I see no one mentions the Swedish Covid Plan anymore ... all went a bit pear shaped."

With schnapps and lingonberry jus
18/12/2020 16:58:22 13 1
bbc
What the Swedish plan does show is that both government intervention and personal responsibility is needed. With something near full freedom they've managed rates around the levels of us and the other worst hit European nations who all took drastic measures.

A diligent population with no rules is just as bad as an ignorant population with rules, you need both for a good response!
dan
18/12/2020 18:09:40 3 4
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Look at average annual death rates, Sweden has completely normal rates of annual deaths (no excess deaths)
18/12/2020 18:24:14 5 1
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Favourite one of the conspiracy theorists at the start . Was thinking the same .
18/12/2020 19:49:26 2 2
bbc
their top man has apologized for the massive mess up they made of it ,bbc said why dont we do what sweden and germany are doing, hugh pym has gone very quiet on his may forecast, yes i know this comment will be removed
18/12/2020 20:10:55 3 2
bbc
Not really, they're about 25th in the list of worst hit countries, far better than us, Italy, Spain etc., and although they're having a second wave, its far smaller than ours. Yes, worse than Norway, but give it time, and of course Norway's population density is extremely low. Their economic damage has been far less than ours. Only time will tell who was 'right', by which I mean lucky.
18/12/2020 20:26:17 4 1
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Sweden is going into winter with much higher rates of compliance because they haven't spent the last 9 months pushing their citizens to the mental limit with little benefit. It's at the very least a lesson in how to keep the public on side, which quite clearly isn't happening here (with a higher death rate to boot).
18/12/2020 20:40:48 5 2
bbc
Sweden, with much more relaxed restrictions, has been on the same curve as everyone else. Makes you wonder.
18/12/2020 21:04:58 1 1
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And still not as pear shaped as the UK!!
18/12/2020 23:05:56 1 2
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To some extent yes it did - but they have still had a much lower death rate (per % of population) than the UK. So they did something else right. Perhaps people social distancing which so many here don't do?
19/12/2020 00:37:53 1 0
bbc
Actually it hasn't they if you care to look at the graphs, are following virtually the same curves, but at a different time scale to all the 'hard lock-down' states, which may go to show, it doesn't matter what you do, the virus will do as a virus does, infect people.
67
18/12/2020 13:56:14 45 26
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there is no pantomime this Christmas,except the one being played out by the goverment and media,12 o'clock and no sign of dick,no sign of brexit either.
398
18/12/2020 14:24:56 35 6
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And they wonder why the virus is spreading.

Pre-xmas crowded shopping streets clearly have nothing to do with it.

Plonkers!!
420
18/12/2020 14:26:47 2 3
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How many people are breaking the rules ?

Is the rise in the spread of the virus solely down to them ?

People break the rules all the time, so why is it, that winter is seeing the increase if people are behaving exactly as before ?

Is it possible that winter is a factor, and not just the insinuated rule breakers ?

I am assuming that the numbers of rule breakers is a near constant.
No sign of dick?
There’s a palace in Westminster rammed full of them.
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60
18/12/2020 13:55:10 8 13
bbc
Until we don't get rid of this gov we will never solvd the problem
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18/12/2020 13:56:32 12 2
bbc
Germany is in lock down ... should Germany get rid of Merkel ?
106
18/12/2020 13:59:54 0 1
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No. Germany took appropriate steps at the appropriate time, Merkel let the regions set some restrictions but when it was shown not to be working the national government took over.
Basically, she was informed by the science. Do you see the difference?
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18/12/2020 13:52:55 84 79
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The Tories have been incompetent and negligent in their handling of the coronavirus pandemic. Over 66k official deaths, and rising....

In contrast:

Japan - less than 3k deaths.
South Korea - less than 1k deaths.

Oh, for a competent government!
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18/12/2020 13:56:33 79 26
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In contrast, Italy....
And we have a vaccine. In fact the first in the world. I suppose that is "incompetent and negligent", is it?
301
18/12/2020 14:16:29 10 3
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as you are clearly not aware, the vaccine was developed mainly by a European company, and is manufactured in Europe, so I guess as you won't be taking it when offered?
337
18/12/2020 14:19:59 7 1
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Made by a German firm,manufactured on the continent!
358
18/12/2020 14:21:52 7 2
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By we I assume you mean the American pharmaceutical giant along with the Germans and the manufacturer in Belgium.
512
18/12/2020 14:35:43 3 1
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WE don’t have a vaccine. It’s a joint effort by other nations, part funded by our government. We just approved it quicker.
Let’s not forget the Oxford one wasn’t without its bodges too.
606
18/12/2020 14:45:36 3 3
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The Tories didn't develop the vaccine, they are however in charge of Government Covid response. Notice how the S.Korea an Japanese numbers mean that unless being first with a vaccine means we can turn back time we still in worse place than either Japan or Korea
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18/12/2020 15:06:42 2 3
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Decisions regarding Covid should be made by scientists, not the Government.
MrW
18/12/2020 21:43:26 0 1
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Stop being contrary.
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18/12/2020 13:53:47 10 20
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Less than 1% of those infected with this very moderate virus will experience severe symptoms. My sympathies to them, but a more rational approach is surely on the horizon.
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18/12/2020 13:56:38 12 3
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So, how would you deal with the massive demand on ICU beds when your plan to "crack on" makes the virus spread further?

Answers on a postcard to your nearest critical care nurse.
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18/12/2020 14:07:56 0 2
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its WINTER ..the yearly time when the NHS does really get a tad over whelmed!! Due to guess what , that scary virus that was on annual leave last year FLU ...and all associated health issues ALL winter related..
18/12/2020 15:46:51 1 1
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There isn't a massive demand for ICU beds - we just have hardly any. We have 8 icu beds in the whole of Cornwall. A massive demand for us is 9 people.
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18/12/2020 13:56:41 238 135
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The only way this pandemic will be beaten is when the vaccine kicks after enough people have had the jab.All the lockdowns, social distancing etc will never work ,we are no better off now than we were months ago.All that has happened is thousands have lost their jobs and millions of lives have been made miserable.. We just have to live with it if you catch it so be it.
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18/12/2020 14:01:32 88 72
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Correct
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18/12/2020 14:34:15 31 17
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Or die with it if you catch it, or end up with long term illness without it, or end up off work with no pay while you recover from it. Or live without treatment because there’s no hospital beds. Or live with the cost/cut/taxes of paying for the NHS to treat it or SSP etc.
It’s not as simple as ‘just get on with it’
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18/12/2020 14:41:33 23 5
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locking down and distancing isn't about a long-term solution it's about reducing spread and stopping people getting it who are most at risk. The vaccine is the long term solution, but what we do is reduce the number killed by it while we wait for that to kick in. So we are better off, many who would have died are still alive. Just living with catching it is big talk from one who is not high risk
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18/12/2020 14:47:54 18 10
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Except the 70000 excess deaths of people who couldn’t live with it
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VoR
18/12/2020 14:51:12 20 7
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We are far better off. The virus spreads exponentially, and during lack of lockdown numbers rocket fast. The NHS would run out of capacity to treat. Deaths would be enormous. Lockdowns will have saved a lot of lives even though they have been half baked.
777
18/12/2020 15:03:06 6 8
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at which point they will find another excuse to panic about
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18/12/2020 15:23:00 11 4
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The only way to beat this pandemic is to switch off the television. You’ll find then that Covid doesn’t exist.
18/12/2020 15:23:28 8 3
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Absolutely spot on. The virus is in the community like the flu. All lockdowns do is suppress it. As you say, until enough have caught it and built up antibodies and/or have been vaccinated the virus will continue to grow. The lockdowns have resulted in 1.7 million losing their jobs since March. That’s an awful lot of further misery to be factored in.
18/12/2020 15:41:52 4 8
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Without it the NHS would have collapsed.Do you have a brain?
18/12/2020 16:38:02 4 3
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Maybe if we take that route you catch it and die with it..........
SJ
18/12/2020 17:24:10 4 4
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Obviously you don't work in a hospital. My wife does. You need a reality check.
18/12/2020 18:39:48 0 1
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But the devolved governments seem to think otherwise and seem hellbent on locking down regardless of the economic catastrophe that’s happening
s-t
18/12/2020 18:45:17 0 1
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not been touched by it then
18/12/2020 19:01:44 2 3
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“We just have to live with it and if you catch it so be it”

Really? You try saying that to the families of the 60,000+ people who have died in the UK because of Covid. It was obvious in March that nothing but a vaccine would get us out of this. BUT I for one am willing to sacrifice my freedom to keep my fellow citizens alive. I pity those people close to you as seem happy to see them die.
18/12/2020 19:08:31 2 2
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I hope that you enjoy your time on a respirator, Russell.
Les
18/12/2020 20:22:54 2 1
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No, what has happened is thousands more people have died unnecessarily, all because a significant minority are too selfish. They are also partly to blame for people losing their jobs. If they would only follow the rules then we would not have had the latest lockdowns and closure of businesses.
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18/12/2020 21:21:01 1 1
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BBC blocked my reply to russell3 as apparently it's offensive to have an opinion which which may offend snowflakes.
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18/12/2020 13:56:46 140 62
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Sorry Boris but if you don't want another lockdown wrecking the economy you have to man up and tell Carrie Christmas is cancelled. Or get Chris, Patrick and Matt to do it for you, at least you can sack Matt later to appease Carrie
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 88 35
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He can't, the "Boris saves Christmas" fiasco is too important to stop now
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18/12/2020 14:49:00 20 6
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Nothing stops you from cancelling Christmas for you and your family. If you want a total lockdown then why not just do it?
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18/12/2020 15:02:21 6 5
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Cancelling Christmas would have no impact on Covid transmission. Regardless of the rules we will see a spike.
Some behaviorists would theorise that allowing Christmas to happen may actually had short-term benefits
Has the thought of Christmas meant that compliance has been higher in the lead up?
Will January lockdown compliance be higher because people have had a chance to mix?
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18/12/2020 15:15:06 15 2
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If Boris cancelled christmas it wouldn't make any difference.the sensible ones will celebrate it sensibly and the those who want to visit loved ones or party will do so. So please be responsible this christmas and let us avoid lockdown in the new year.
18/12/2020 16:00:53 3 2
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Another lockdown is only on the agenda because cases in London and the South East, we never heard anything about a possible lockdown when the North and Midlands had higher cases. No justification to lockdown these areas when they have lower cases than they had when they came out of lockdown.
18/12/2020 16:56:52 3 2
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You have the choice to have a simpler Christmas. Being an adult you can choose to scale back and only see you imediate family, or do as normal and risk spreading virus. Its called being given freedom of choice. Personally I will just be with wife and wont see rest of family, I consider that safest option and the right thing to do. You may feel different.
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mc
18/12/2020 13:55:39 6 15
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what a surprise as they want to inprison us so they have to rise
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 4 2
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You've dropped your tin foil hat!
Yes, masks prevent spreading, lol Removed
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18/12/2020 13:56:59 109 23
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They do
808
18/12/2020 15:06:21 10 12
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They do not. Stay home if you're so scared.
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18/12/2020 13:53:47 10 20
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Less than 1% of those infected with this very moderate virus will experience severe symptoms. My sympathies to them, but a more rational approach is surely on the horizon.
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18/12/2020 13:57:06 3 1
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Yes must not get in the way of your holidays and pub visits.
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18/12/2020 13:59:31 1 6
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I don't drink, grow a pair.
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18/12/2020 13:47:04 194 46
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As a respiratory virus Covid will spread in every environment humans use. Therefore it’s wrong to blame a specific behaviour or setting as being wholly responsible for its problems.

This Christmas it’s not just important to try and reduce Covid spread where possible, but we must not spread blame and division either. The latter can do more damage to society long-term than Covid ever could.
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18/12/2020 13:57:17 15 13
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Blame, there is blame alright. Those that willfuly help spread this!
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18/12/2020 15:14:48 5 13
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Nobody has done this. This is just fake news!
18/12/2020 21:17:52 0 2
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You mean the NHS ?
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18/12/2020 13:52:17 16 1
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And a population density like theirs
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18/12/2020 13:57:24 9 19
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Population density has nothing to do with it. The virus doesn't care whether you'd travelled 10meters or 100miles to see someone.

It can't travel more than 2m on it's own, and nowhere does population density itself force people that close together.
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18/12/2020 14:08:55 2 2
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*scratches head

nothing really matters

anyone can see
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18/12/2020 14:16:28 11 1
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Population density has a lot to do with it.

That's why Belgium, UK have suffered badly, whilst low pop. density countries like New Zealand etc. have come through much better.

Population density isn't just living space: it's about shops, public transport etc. where (even with a mask) one cough can infect a dozen people. The fewer people there are in a given vicinity, the less likely that is.
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CG
18/12/2020 13:57:26 27 2
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This whole thing would not be out of place in an episode of The Twilight Zone.
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18/12/2020 13:50:33 15 7
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Meanwhile in China, they are having parties.
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18/12/2020 13:57:35 20 5
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Could the Chinese be telling lies, like when they said this virus didn't exist?
MrW
18/12/2020 21:40:59 0 1
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Yes, they were lying. All govts lie. Makes no difference to the virus. It exists, lies or no. I'm not a Chinese govt apologist and the Chinese govt are despicable. Stop being contrary.
19/12/2020 16:07:43 0 0
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Of course they're telling lies. That's their plan. Infect the world, and blame someone else, then dominate and control.
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18/12/2020 13:52:02 104 44
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The boarders, airports and schools are all open and the infections are going up?

Hmmmmm, now why would that be?
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18/12/2020 13:57:36 68 8
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They've been open for months.
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VoR
18/12/2020 14:54:20 4 2
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Not in the winter, which is when viruses like this one tend to spread faster.
Yes, masks prevent spreading, lol Removed
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YES they do you idiot.... why do you think asia has virtually zero covid???? 100% mask wearing from day 1. Removed
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18/12/2020 13:57:45 6 9
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Who is advising the government? As clearly they don’t understand virus’s are all. Like flu this will never leave us. We just have to live with it. Apparently to date, just over 72 million have caught it ( and I bet it’s a lot higher then this) that’s about the size of the uk, and 1.6 Million Have died and most have health issues. That shows it’s no worse then flu. It’s all getting silly now
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18/12/2020 14:00:09 4 2
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History proves many SARS type viruses (like Covid) DO go away for many years.

As for "flu", try talking to a critical care nurse before you spout such garbage.
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18/12/2020 14:04:43 0 0
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it got silly and all about control once there were no bodies just piling up in the streets as the propoganda from wuhan implied was the case.
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18/12/2020 13:57:47 18 8
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The problem the authorities have in all this is that they are facing two pandemics. Covid 19 and the pandemic of ignorance and nescience prevalent amongst the population. I find it really quite frightening that so many people in this country think all this is a scam and it appears from the evidence on Social Media and the News Forums like this one that this ignorance is increasing exponentially.
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18/12/2020 14:00:19 6 5
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Well said, plus, for those of us with intelligence, it was clear this was going to happen.. the clues were there in the media for weeks. I for one would volunteer to track down those who breach the lockdown regulations, with some level of eagerness
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18/12/2020 14:00:23 3 5
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Looks like The Flatulent Sheep has swallowed the line hook, line and sinker.

Baaaaaaaa
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18/12/2020 14:02:27 4 2
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Most of the conspiracy theories were started by the antivax lobby, who want people to think Covid is not real and/or it is influenza. The same idiots have claimed in previous years that influenza does not cause death, yet this year are blaming it for 65k UK deaths.

Mixed up bunch.
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18/12/2020 14:02:33 0 2
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If Dominic Cummings could, so is everyone.
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18/12/2020 14:03:24 2 4
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go back to the original scenes ha ha from wuhan..people dropping like flies in the street ...in front of cameras ......still believe this do you?A bug does exist ..it is clearly Host specific as to who succumbs ......yet you believe 98% of the population should have their human rights breached because of it.
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18/12/2020 13:51:40 7 17
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I think the Government knows that we will have to go into lockdown and this one will cover a significant chunk of 2021, probably 4-6 months. Support for lockdown is still very high even for an extended period.
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18/12/2020 13:57:56 2 6
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Troll. Feel free to lock yourself up for 6 months.
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18/12/2020 14:01:02 3 2
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You will be locked down like the rest so grow up and shut up.
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18/12/2020 14:12:15 2 2
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all collaborators lock themselves away ..give up their jobs ..if they have them , to those of us who have lost them due to ronarules ....and dont come outside nor preach their rhetoric on any www pages...get the hint my job gone directly due to diktats so i dont give a flying one about this BS nor the ones clearly financially stable regardless..respond to that if you can
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JL
18/12/2020 13:52:14 13 30
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99%+ survival rate and those who die *with Covid live on average LONGER than those who die without Covid.

But yeah, lock down the world!
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18/12/2020 13:58:03 5 1
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Any plans for how YOU would stop ICUs being filled when your masterplan to "crack on" and spread the virus takes off?

Nah, thought not.

Just tropes.
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18/12/2020 14:09:58 0 1
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probably space ther beds out again ..guess what ...you get more beds !!!! oh and maybe HM Govt shouldnt have screwed the nhs over the past god knows how many years ......
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18/12/2020 13:58:09 4 3
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Better lockdown than an uncontrollable outbreak. Would also give time for GOV.UK to get everyone on board. Or pull the ladder up Jack.
18/12/2020 17:12:44 0 1
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the evidence of power and control is simple. Since when has any Gov, least of all a Tory one ever cared about your health or granny?
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18/12/2020 13:52:55 84 79
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The Tories have been incompetent and negligent in their handling of the coronavirus pandemic. Over 66k official deaths, and rising....

In contrast:

Japan - less than 3k deaths.
South Korea - less than 1k deaths.

Oh, for a competent government!
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18/12/2020 13:58:10 14 3
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Would you really want to live under the Korean regime??
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18/12/2020 14:53:16 2 2
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South Korea is not the same as North!
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18/12/2020 13:58:18 5 6
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Ignore restrictions and ignore lockdowns.

Most importantly ignore the Bias Gov't Sponsored BBC.
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18/12/2020 14:00:19 3 0
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I have a friend who's got Covid ... I will get him to pop round and see you.
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18/12/2020 13:58:34 4 3
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Concerned Peter : "Lockdowns are an utter waste of time and money."

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Yes they are because the Great British Public don't realise that masks, distancing, washing hands are preventative measures, not cloaks of invincibility. They need to also take care.

Imagine what would happen if there weren't lockdowns and idiots acted like that - oh, hang on, you don't have to ... just look at the US.
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18/12/2020 13:58:43 89 13
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Public Health England say Shops and schools most responsible for transmission, both were in full swing....is this any suprise?
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18/12/2020 15:08:00 60 2
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A lot of people have been miss-reading into the data regarding places visited prior to a positive test.
Given that most families visit the super market once a week, and its one of the few places open at the moment its not a surprise it features high on the list.

Same with schools. Upwards of 10m children in education. What a surprise it's up there.
18/12/2020 21:21:46 1 0
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Do you think PHE are going to own up to transmission from the NHS ?

How is the virus getting into the shops in the first place ? (if it is - agree with Ash 15:08)
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18/12/2020 13:58:45 22 11
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Tiers aren't working.
18/12/2020 15:51:02 5 2
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Tier 3 seemed to do the job in Liverpool and Manchester.
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18/12/2020 13:51:53 12 12
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Numbers on the increase! What did they expect? The only way to control this is to close the flaming shops. Instead they're allowing herds of people to mingle and merrily spread their germs. We'll probably see around 1000 UK deaths a day by Xmas day. And who know what's in store beyond into the NY.
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 0 3
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Drivel.
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 15 7
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Infections on the rise, lockdown 3on the horizon. Why on earth are the government allowing a 5 day relaxation over Xmas?This PM has had no idea from day one. Being led by the science, rubbish. He had no plan A no plan B and when he reaches plan Z no one will care.
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18/12/2020 14:18:12 4 0
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if he had no plan A and no plan B how on earth is he going to get to plan Z.
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mc
18/12/2020 13:55:39 6 15
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what a surprise as they want to inprison us so they have to rise
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 4 2
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You've dropped your tin foil hat!
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18/12/2020 13:56:46 140 62
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Sorry Boris but if you don't want another lockdown wrecking the economy you have to man up and tell Carrie Christmas is cancelled. Or get Chris, Patrick and Matt to do it for you, at least you can sack Matt later to appease Carrie
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18/12/2020 13:58:46 88 35
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He can't, the "Boris saves Christmas" fiasco is too important to stop now
19/12/2020 00:11:27 0 0
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I believe that your comment has not taken into account the caveat, just because you can do something doesn't make it wise, people willalwaysblame othersfor their failure.
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18/12/2020 13:54:56 101 68
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~40 years of massive underfunding of the NHS to keep income taxes down. Didn’t quite take this into account did it?
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18/12/2020 13:58:47 73 73
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40 years of doctors giving up on supporting their patients and prescribing a pill for an ill instead led to this ...
ps
18/12/2020 17:38:51 11 2
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My GP Surgery gave up looking after patients in March. They 'washed their hands' of us and are still not open for business. They should gown up and get on with looking after their patients. Do what we are paying you for.
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18/12/2020 13:55:58 260 50
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I see no one mentions the Swedish Covid Plan anymore ... all went a bit pear shaped.
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18/12/2020 13:58:58 23 155
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And the relevance of Sweden is?
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18/12/2020 15:21:28 40 13
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It was the deniers' 'proof' that we were oing it wrong - we were (still are) but Sweden wasn't the answer after all!
18/12/2020 15:41:33 37 8
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The deniers claimed that they had the magic formula, they didn't as current stas show and their King has admitted they got it really wrong.
18/12/2020 17:34:02 2 1
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Quite high for those who live there
18/12/2020 17:34:39 5 1
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They were being lauded as the way forward by the covid know-alls. Of which there are many
18/12/2020 18:13:07 4 4
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The anti maskers used it as an example of a success as they had no lock down. It’s been a disaster
18/12/2020 18:53:33 0 1
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Use Google, read what Sweden did and decide whether they did the right thing. Better than a sarcastic comment...
18/12/2020 19:45:47 4 6
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The relevance is that because more liberal minded people saw hope in Sweden as an example of how to deal with a pandemic without criminalising everyday behaviour and treating people like children. The instinctively authoritarian lefties absolutely hated that because their only solution to everything is to ban, restrict and legislate. Such people are very good at hating.
18/12/2020 19:48:22 1 3
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they are in a right mess ,more deaths per capita than most countries
18/12/2020 20:42:15 2 1
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None - although if you look at the actual numbers deaths and cases per 1 million population significantly below Britain , Italy , France and many others . Sweden horrified re failings in care homes in particular - looking at our numbers we should be ashamed . Doris please comment.
18/12/2020 22:50:04 1 1
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It was held out a shining example of how to deal with the pandemic as opposed to the UK approach
18/12/2020 23:40:00 1 1
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The relevance is numpties completley ignoring the best efforts of major European Countries to control the virus coming to nought; because of course it is all Boris fault.
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18/12/2020 13:59:03 2 2
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More power hungry politicians love the words - SHUT YOU DOWN!!!!!!
18/12/2020 17:13:40 0 1
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the evidence of power and control is simple. Since when has any Gov, least of all a Tory one ever cared about your health or granny?
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18/12/2020 13:59:04 12 3
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remember Matt Hancock saying don't kill granny now it's bring her to your house for five days
18/12/2020 16:17:55 1 1
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That's because he has just realized that his share portfolio has undertaking stock in it!
18/12/2020 17:13:57 0 0
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the evidence of power and control is simple. Since when has any Gov, least of all a Tory one ever cared about your health or granny?
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18/12/2020 13:59:05 1 1
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A friend of mine argues that seeing loved ones and having a jolly at Christmas is his right.

He plans to maximise every minute of the relaxed rules whatever the outcome may be.

I argued it's a selfish approach, he said this is a democracy!! And the West prices itself on freedom and democracy - much the same way they liberated Iraq ... from a dictatorship.
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18/12/2020 14:01:26 1 1
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Hope your friend understands the price of democracy ... and I hope they don't pay too much or blame others if they do.
Your friend sounds like an idiot Removed