Christmas star: Jupiter and Saturn align in the night sky
22/12/2020 | news | science | 828
Jupiter and Saturn - the Solar System's largest planets - have crossed paths in the night sky.
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The turtle moves.
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And will we spot the intrepid chelonauts??
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21/12/2020 14:27:37 27 3
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RIP Terry, you are so much missed.
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21/12/2020 17:41:08 5 1
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Let's hope the elephants don't become extinct.
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21/12/2020 17:46:51 4 1
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Would that be Om when dropped by the eagle??
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21/12/2020 20:03:04 6 0
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Do you know what Tier Ankh-Morpork is now?
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21/12/2020 20:08:01 7 0
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To badly misquote the great Terry Pratchett,

'There is a rumour circulating that I've found God.... I can't even find my car keys... and there is empirical evidence that THEY actually exist...'
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21/12/2020 10:52:49 85 13
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The image is wrong. The sun, Jupiter and Saturn are not in line. Jupiter and Saturn are in line of sight from Earth in the early evening. So that means the line of sight we have is not the same as a line from the Sun to those planets.
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21/12/2020 11:05:57 91 5
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To be honest, the image owes a lot more to art than it does to science.
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Ben
21/12/2020 12:33:46 8 8
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It's just a stock image that shows the relevant planets. Don't be so serious.
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21/12/2020 17:30:34 4 3
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‘We’ll need a picture to go with the story’

‘Ok. I’ll look on Google image. Got it. What about this one?’

‘Yeah - that looks about right. No-one will notice’

Busted!!
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21/12/2020 19:37:03 0 0
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also, we are on the far side of the sun from where the artist is standing
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21/12/2020 21:18:09 0 0
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Amen. This kind of supposedly explanatory graphics really stick in my craw. They are more common than they should be. If it were as the graphic shows, it would be brighter and visible throughout the night.
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21/12/2020 10:55:08 124 21
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Clearly a sign from god. Or possibly Elvis.
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PCS
21/12/2020 11:03:23 55 36
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Clearly you upset a deluded bible thumper with a thumbs down....I just evened it.
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21/12/2020 18:20:22 5 5
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Of course you forgot, 'he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...' Haha
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21/12/2020 20:26:19 6 0
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Elvis is alive and living on the moon, playing cards with Lord Lucan. Bill Gates has the power to bring him home but wont. I am sure thats what the conspiracy nut jobs say anyway.
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21/12/2020 21:31:55 1 0
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They've both left the building...
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22/12/2020 00:17:54 0 0
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Or God listening to Elvis
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22/12/2020 02:54:50 0 0
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It takes a lot to make me laugh, but you made me laugh out loud! Well done,
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22/12/2020 07:27:56 0 0
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I'm going with Elvis at least he was real!
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21/12/2020 10:55:08 124 21
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Clearly a sign from god. Or possibly Elvis.
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21/12/2020 11:03:23 55 36
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Clearly you upset a deluded bible thumper with a thumbs down....I just evened it.
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21/12/2020 17:06:05 2 4
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I don't think he/she is serious.
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21/12/2020 22:29:36 1 0
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Ooh. Go you!????
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22/12/2020 05:09:40 0 0
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Evened? Seriously?
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21/12/2020 10:52:49 85 13
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The image is wrong. The sun, Jupiter and Saturn are not in line. Jupiter and Saturn are in line of sight from Earth in the early evening. So that means the line of sight we have is not the same as a line from the Sun to those planets.
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21/12/2020 11:05:57 91 5
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To be honest, the image owes a lot more to art than it does to science.
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21/12/2020 12:03:27 10 4
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A simple diagram with the correct relative positions would have been MUCH better- but as always on BBC a colourful, if incorrect, graphic wins over a correct diagram. Scale and colour are NOT important here. Positions ARE!!! What's the betting they'll use the same or similar graphics on broadcasts today- if anyone in the UK gets good enough 'seeing'!!
You know that the bible is a work of fiction... you know that... right... Removed
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RS
21/12/2020 11:27:26 0 2
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What about the one in SA?
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21/12/2020 11:28:03 7 2
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The "Chirstmas Star" event we are getting is what is belived to be what the wise men sawon the alleged birth of a bloke named jesus. The bible is indeed fake but there is enough historical evidence to suggest that a blooe was born around the time period implied.
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Ben
21/12/2020 11:45:46 16 3
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Some atheists like to claim it's fiction but historical accounts from the time show that much of it did happen. Of course there will be embellishments and it's a matter of faith if you believe Jesus was the son of god but you can't dismiss the whole thing as fiction.
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21/12/2020 11:56:10 5 3
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No actually I don't know that. Nor do any number of historians.
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21/12/2020 15:00:37 3 1
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Sorry, although not a believer Big Badger, the bible has too many correlatable instances to be just fiction. However it has been pulled together from a variety of early christian texts with those that didn't fit the narrative being omitted. More to the point is that it is not the word of God, but of man, some of whom were likely "touched" by mental illness or drugs. Revelation comes to mind.
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21/12/2020 15:22:49 1 1
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Sadly millions think it is an accurately historical document. I know cos I worked with some of them, some even preached to me on my desk.

As far as the planets go, it’s raining all week so naff all chance of seeing it,
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21/12/2020 16:06:41 0 1
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What amuses me about an organised religion is the way their deities are fashion conscious. So for instance if you rocked up to church on a horse in the 17th century wearing leggings and a wig you'd be greeted with a smile from the cleric - try that today and you get tutted at "disrespectful, inappropriate for the Lords house" and "Isenbird Braine! untie your horse from the font"!
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21/12/2020 16:28:20 0 2
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The Bible does seem to be a record of early Jewish history/folk law. The Adam and Eve story used to calculate the age of the Universe by medieval theologians seems to equate with the founding of the Jewish tribes.
But what is strange are those first few paragraphs of the Bible. It does seem follow the order of the 'Big Bang' through to the evolution of life. Just change 'day' to 'period of time'.
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21/12/2020 17:10:48 1 1
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As a precocious 10 year old I told a very pious Methodist aunt that Jesus was probably born sometime in September according to scientists who had studied astrology, and that his birth was celebrated on 25 December to align with old pagan festivals. She said I shouldn't believe all I read in the newspapers. I said she shouldn't believe all she read in the Bible.
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21/12/2020 11:07:05 129 33
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Science v's divine celestial signs, I'll stick with science as they have a better track record aka covid19 vaccine v's prayer!
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21/12/2020 11:15:28 56 262
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I pray for your faith. Do not rely on man. God holds the future
Seriously? So if you are so filled with logic and science then please enlighten us about the chances of not getting Covid, as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided that science looks like NEW RELIGION Removed
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21/12/2020 13:45:56 1 64
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Seriously? So please tell us about the chances of not getting Covid as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided nowadays that science looks like New Religion without anyone to blame if something goes wrong...
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21/12/2020 17:34:46 21 5
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Indeed. Religion.... the ORIGINAL conspiracy theory.
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21/12/2020 17:37:43 7 19
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Unlike many, I don't see it as EITHER science OR faith. Both have their place. Use the right tool for the job at hand. Science tells you HOW things work, faith is one way of working out WHY they are that way.
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21/12/2020 18:02:29 4 17
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Statistically more scientists are Christian than the general population. Fairly easy to explain, if one tries to fathom the complexity of ourselves, our planet and the universe, it seems pretty unlikely that it could all be an accident!
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21/12/2020 18:06:43 3 20
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Science created covid 19. If men's hearts truly loved god rather than lip service and shopping then maybe prayers would be answered. Maybe best to not wait for your miracle cure dear sir if your heart isn't right with God as it won't come .unless HE knows you when you die he will say ' depart from me you who work iniquity' . Faith in science and man fails always .
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21/12/2020 19:42:42 3 10
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God created science. All of the biggest strides historically have been from scientists who believed in God. Secularists have no basis to hold to the assumptions of things like logic, laws of motion etc etc. In your worldview, there is no logic, no science, nothing but time and chance acting on matter. No good, no evil, no right, no wrong. Your very existence is an absurdity in your worldview.
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21/12/2020 19:48:04 2 0
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Er actually the article is talking about astronomy, which is science, I believe.
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22/12/2020 03:24:01 0 0
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Vaccine Vs prayer. What about diet? Didn't that so called clever guy Steve Jobs try to beat cancer through diet? Clearly he wasn't the brightest at Apple.
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22/12/2020 07:17:59 0 0
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They have a lousy track record over Covid.
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21/12/2020 11:12:58 2 8
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We're all doomed
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21/12/2020 11:07:05 129 33
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Science v's divine celestial signs, I'll stick with science as they have a better track record aka covid19 vaccine v's prayer!
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I pray for your faith. Do not rely on man. God holds the future
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21/12/2020 12:17:31 49 11
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Indoctrinated fool. We are doing fine without your non-existent deity. Thanks.
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21/12/2020 12:59:36 61 10
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If a four year old makes up an invisible friend who they talk to and claims that the friend talks back to them, we just say "Awww, how sweet..."

If I did that I would be told to grow up sharpish.

Deities which people ask things of, which nobody can see, which some people claim "talk" to them, are figments of insecure people's imaginations, very much like that four year old child.
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21/12/2020 13:42:27 3 57
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Exactly. Science is a new religion now so people prefer to pray to scientists instead. The results are quickly to be found though. Just look what the new version of this infamous illness does to us...
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21/12/2020 15:31:12 64 9
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Don't you dare pray for mine. When I look at all the wars and division caused by peoples blind belief in one religion or another, I just see confirmation that there is no benevolent being watching over. And besides the nastiest people I have met all hide behind their beliefs.
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21/12/2020 17:36:39 9 2
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If you go onto a science page and make a statement like this you may get a few negative replies. It’s not that your not entitled to your belief but you need to respect other people’s too and most people on here are scientific and don’t believe what you do.
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21/12/2020 17:49:13 16 5
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There is no god
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21/12/2020 18:55:10 9 1
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Pathetic, Darth Vader is a far more likely candidate for god than any of the other mythical efforts.
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21/12/2020 19:30:06 1 0
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In that case, god made Covid.
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21/12/2020 20:34:28 1 0
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Man speaking to God is prayer; God speaking to man is psychosis.
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21/12/2020 20:38:49 1 0
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Don't bite mate, your faith is enough. People who bait you are not worth worrying about
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21/12/2020 11:20:00 16 6
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'Close' when viewed from Earth only. Still 4X further apart than we're from the Sun.
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21/12/2020 17:19:54 26 1
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Well I am viewing from Earth, where are you viewing from?
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21/12/2020 10:42:39 113 4
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The turtle moves.
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21/12/2020 11:21:47 33 3
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And will we spot the intrepid chelonauts??
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21/12/2020 11:28:49 10 3
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You trust Rincewind a lot more than I do.
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21/12/2020 16:49:52 19 2
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For every grain of sand on Earth there is a planet...

And, some bloody water vapor stops me seeing this event.
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21/12/2020 11:07:05 129 33
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Science v's divine celestial signs, I'll stick with science as they have a better track record aka covid19 vaccine v's prayer!
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Seriously? So if you are so filled with logic and science then please enlighten us about the chances of not getting Covid, as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided that science looks like NEW RELIGION Removed
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21/12/2020 11:29:40 61 13
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Can you explain how your imaginary friend helps then. Science is fact, religion is fake
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21/12/2020 12:18:20 30 3
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You just don't understand science, and it is not our job to educate you.
You know that the bible is a work of fiction... you know that... right... Removed
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RS
21/12/2020 11:27:26 0 2
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What about the one in SA?
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21/12/2020 12:23:41 3 2
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I don't know what you are saying?
You know that the bible is a work of fiction... you know that... right... Removed
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21/12/2020 11:28:03 7 2
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The "Chirstmas Star" event we are getting is what is belived to be what the wise men sawon the alleged birth of a bloke named jesus. The bible is indeed fake but there is enough historical evidence to suggest that a blooe was born around the time period implied.
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21/12/2020 12:22:38 2 1
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What is a blooe?
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21/12/2020 11:21:47 33 3
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And will we spot the intrepid chelonauts??
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21/12/2020 11:28:49 10 3
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You trust Rincewind a lot more than I do.
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21/12/2020 11:29:17 9 6
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don't worry about the weather meaning you are going to miss it....

for a similar, yet profoundly less pleasant experience, just cast your gaze toward the M20 and see all those lorry headlights in perfect alignment.

maybe squint a bit, too. that'll help.
Seriously? So if you are so filled with logic and science then please enlighten us about the chances of not getting Covid, as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided that science looks like NEW RELIGION Removed
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21/12/2020 11:29:40 61 13
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Can you explain how your imaginary friend helps then. Science is fact, religion is fake
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21/12/2020 11:34:43 2 22
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Astrology, pythagorian numerology & Chinese astrology has always been the key to life's road map and sat nav. The churches & the cult use them to glean advantage over those who are not in the know. Nearly every top CEO has an esoteric advisor on its payroll and those who don't "well"? Ask yourself why certain religious libraries has some of the largest collection of books on the subject matters?
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21/12/2020 11:55:55 14 3
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You should be out there stocking up on tinfoil.
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21/12/2020 12:22:25 9 1
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Because the religious elite were the only ones allowed to have libraries for most of history in the West, otherwise they would have been executed for heresy. Why don't you grab one of those books and read it for once?
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x75
21/12/2020 14:44:15 1 1
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Some truth to your comment. Fibonacci and Pi also exert much more of an influence than the average person can hope to understand.
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Ben
21/12/2020 11:45:46 16 3
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Some atheists like to claim it's fiction but historical accounts from the time show that much of it did happen. Of course there will be embellishments and it's a matter of faith if you believe Jesus was the son of god but you can't dismiss the whole thing as fiction.
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21/12/2020 12:21:12 9 4
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Yes, I can. You are talking about a book written in modern langauge, based on events that may have happened 2020 years ago. It's a powerful book, but it is fiction. I sat on a wall yesterday, that was built more than 2000 years ago. It was just a wall.
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21/12/2020 15:24:00 0 1
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No it’s fiction, there is absolutely no evidence any of it happened. Tell me some. You can’t.
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21/12/2020 11:34:43 2 22
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Astrology, pythagorian numerology & Chinese astrology has always been the key to life's road map and sat nav. The churches & the cult use them to glean advantage over those who are not in the know. Nearly every top CEO has an esoteric advisor on its payroll and those who don't "well"? Ask yourself why certain religious libraries has some of the largest collection of books on the subject matters?
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21/12/2020 11:55:55 14 3
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You should be out there stocking up on tinfoil.
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21/12/2020 18:26:15 1 0
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Don't tell him that! There'll be a shortage at the supermarket!
You know that the bible is a work of fiction... you know that... right... Removed
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21/12/2020 11:56:10 5 3
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No actually I don't know that. Nor do any number of historians.
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21/12/2020 12:24:04 2 2
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You do now.
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MP
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the 'milky way'
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Thank you, that made my day!
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21/12/2020 14:42:14 18 1
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What's even more astounding is that our galaxy is just one of millions upon millions and that the gold in my ring originated from supernovas countless eons ago.....
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21/12/2020 17:18:48 15 1
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Milky Way one of billions of Galaxy’s
I guess we know how many "flat-earther's" are currently viewing the BBC website via the number of thumbs down your post gets - at least we can let the care home know where they are. Removed
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21/12/2020 17:44:24 1 1
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Whatever happened to infinity?
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Earth is orbiting the sun at 67,000 mph.
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1037mph, Earth's rotational speed at the equator.........?
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thank you Eric Idle
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What a great song that was !
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Yes, Yes, but where did I leave my keys?
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21/12/2020 19:07:21 0 0
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That's why I couldn't see a thing
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Why
21/12/2020 19:41:22 1 0
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...and why eggs have come down in price when everything else has gone up. Its amazing.
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Excellent old boy!
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Yes, anybody who down votes Python....back of the queue for the vaccine.
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So?? Is this conclusive?
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21/12/2020 20:54:20 1 2
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And in a parallel Universe Everton fans aren't bitter and Ringo was a good drummer...
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21/12/2020 21:28:22 0 6
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Nobody reads the 'highest rated', mate. Plus, you've ripped that off from E. Idle. Poor show.
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This absolutely made my day - you won HYS of the day
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21/12/2020 22:21:33 2 0
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so newtonian !
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21/12/2020 23:15:28 1 0
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And everyone you know and everything you know one day will die. Its just a part of life but by keeping your distance may make that inevitable fact a bit further along for many folks :)
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22/12/2020 01:17:29 0 0
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How fast is the spiral arm moving? Or our galaxy around the universe?
Thank God for Relativity (joke).
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22/12/2020 05:21:41 0 0
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look up animaniacs Universe song :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmfAyK6CeIg . "It`s a great big universe and we are not" .
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22/12/2020 08:50:02 0 0
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You forget that for most brexiters the world is flat and 6024 years old
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22/12/2020 09:45:58 0 0
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Always look on the bright side of life!
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21/12/2020 11:05:57 91 5
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To be honest, the image owes a lot more to art than it does to science.
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21/12/2020 12:03:27 10 4
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A simple diagram with the correct relative positions would have been MUCH better- but as always on BBC a colourful, if incorrect, graphic wins over a correct diagram. Scale and colour are NOT important here. Positions ARE!!! What's the betting they'll use the same or similar graphics on broadcasts today- if anyone in the UK gets good enough 'seeing'!!
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21/12/2020 12:28:49 6 2
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'Correct relative positions' are almost impossible to display. Even within the solar system distances are so gobsmackingly vast that we have no real-world comprehension, let alone being able to show them with a few pixels.
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I pray for your faith. Do not rely on man. God holds the future
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21/12/2020 12:17:31 49 11
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Indoctrinated fool. We are doing fine without your non-existent deity. Thanks.
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21/12/2020 18:05:14 2 2
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Fine you say? Have you looked at the wider World in recent times? What ever you don't believe is not my worry but 'fine'! Who is the fool? Maybe the believer. Quite possibly those who believe we are 'doing fine'.
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21/12/2020 19:36:41 0 2
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Doing fine? Do you read the news?!
Seriously? So if you are so filled with logic and science then please enlighten us about the chances of not getting Covid, as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided that science looks like NEW RELIGION Removed
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21/12/2020 12:18:20 30 3
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You just don't understand science, and it is not our job to educate you.
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Ben
21/12/2020 11:45:46 16 3
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Some atheists like to claim it's fiction but historical accounts from the time show that much of it did happen. Of course there will be embellishments and it's a matter of faith if you believe Jesus was the son of god but you can't dismiss the whole thing as fiction.
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21/12/2020 12:21:12 9 4
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Yes, I can. You are talking about a book written in modern langauge, based on events that may have happened 2020 years ago. It's a powerful book, but it is fiction. I sat on a wall yesterday, that was built more than 2000 years ago. It was just a wall.
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21/12/2020 13:18:17 3 1
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There's a good program about a theory linking the eruption of Santorini 1600 years BC to the ten plagues of Egypt.

1) Volcano explodes, causing night during day, causin
2) Nile runs blood red, because of the sulphur
3) Frogs move to land because of sulphur into houses to escape sunlight.
4) Frogs die, attracts flies
5) Crops fail...ash.
...
10) only first born sons are fed but die from ergot
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Ben
21/12/2020 13:21:37 2 3
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You are just showing your ignorance. If you cared to read up on the subject you would see that much has been verified by independent historical accounts from the time, the bible is not the only point of reference. You should try reading some history rather than just assuming things based on your personal beliefs.
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21/12/2020 16:10:49 0 1
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And if that wall was built in the Middle East it might have been referenced in the Bible also.
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21/12/2020 11:34:43 2 22
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Astrology, pythagorian numerology & Chinese astrology has always been the key to life's road map and sat nav. The churches & the cult use them to glean advantage over those who are not in the know. Nearly every top CEO has an esoteric advisor on its payroll and those who don't "well"? Ask yourself why certain religious libraries has some of the largest collection of books on the subject matters?
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21/12/2020 12:22:25 9 1
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Because the religious elite were the only ones allowed to have libraries for most of history in the West, otherwise they would have been executed for heresy. Why don't you grab one of those books and read it for once?
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x75
21/12/2020 14:46:52 0 1
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Not sure that completely negates his comment though. However I agree with your first sentence 100%
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21/12/2020 11:28:03 7 2
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The "Chirstmas Star" event we are getting is what is belived to be what the wise men sawon the alleged birth of a bloke named jesus. The bible is indeed fake but there is enough historical evidence to suggest that a blooe was born around the time period implied.
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21/12/2020 12:22:38 2 1
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What is a blooe?
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RS
21/12/2020 11:27:26 0 2
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What about the one in SA?
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21/12/2020 12:23:41 3 2
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I don't know what you are saying?
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21/12/2020 11:56:10 5 3
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No actually I don't know that. Nor do any number of historians.
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21/12/2020 12:24:04 2 2
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You do now.
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21/12/2020 16:11:29 0 1
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Sorry, but no.
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21/12/2020 12:03:27 10 4
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A simple diagram with the correct relative positions would have been MUCH better- but as always on BBC a colourful, if incorrect, graphic wins over a correct diagram. Scale and colour are NOT important here. Positions ARE!!! What's the betting they'll use the same or similar graphics on broadcasts today- if anyone in the UK gets good enough 'seeing'!!
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21/12/2020 12:28:49 6 2
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'Correct relative positions' are almost impossible to display. Even within the solar system distances are so gobsmackingly vast that we have no real-world comprehension, let alone being able to show them with a few pixels.
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21/12/2020 14:28:29 7 1
bbc
Analogy I've come across is that if you scaled the solar system down to the size of a 6ft round table, then the sun would be the size of a grain of sand in the middle, the Earth would be an invisible speck of dust one inch from it and the next nearest star would be seven and half miles away.
32
21/12/2020 12:29:36 73 8
bbc
This is portent for the second coming, but when he sees the state of the place when he arrives he may go back home sharpish before anyone notices and leave it until the next conjunction in 2453.
42
21/12/2020 13:02:58 81 73
bbc
Or emigrate to the EU that some people think is today's utopia.
194
bob
21/12/2020 17:33:27 3 4
bbc
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
...
and what rough beast, its hour come round at last
Slouches towards Bethelehem to be born?

Its the one with uncombed blond hair on the central podium at the moment
205
21/12/2020 17:39:52 10 4
bbc
If Jesus were to turn up now He'd have to self-isolate for 10 days...
33
21/12/2020 12:33:22 242 16
bbc
WISE MAN #1: We must pay homage to him.

MANDY: Homage? You're all drunk. It's disgusting. Out! The lot, out!

WISE MAN #1: We were led by a star.

MANDY: Or led by a bottle, more like. Go on. Out!

WISE MAN #1: We must see him. We have brought presents.

MANDY: Out!

WISE MAN #2: Gold. Frankincense. Myrrh.

MANDY: Well, why didn't you say? He's over there. Sorry the place is a bit of a mess.
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x75
21/12/2020 14:38:58 92 21
bbc
A great movie!!! Most readers here won't know though....
129
21/12/2020 17:01:42 22 2
bbc
Indeed. Super movie. I struggle to get passed the Stonning incident without heart failure.

Beard Madam ???
157
21/12/2020 17:14:37 6 1
bbc
What is Myrrh anyway?
222
21/12/2020 17:46:25 28 7
bbc
A ugly and blasphemous film. 0/10. Anyway Merry Christmas from all the lads (and lasses) of the Peoples Front of Judea.
233
21/12/2020 17:49:12 31 2
bbc
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
298
21/12/2020 18:19:40 0 0
bbc
Of course you forgot, 'he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...' Haha
315
21/12/2020 18:29:48 7 0
bbc
Over there - Splitter!
396
21/12/2020 19:38:49 3 0
bbc
Peoples front of judea and Judean people’s front - amazing
460
21/12/2020 20:10:34 10 0
bbc
I'm Brian and so is my wife!
571
21/12/2020 21:35:32 12 0
bbc
Can I get away with - “His name was Bigus Dickus’?
572
21/12/2020 21:37:20 5 0
bbc
Where’s the foetus going to gestate, in a box?
578
21/12/2020 21:44:01 4 0
bbc
'I know where you can get it cheap'

'We've got lumps of it round the back'

Just these two lines had me and my best Mate in absolute stiches, every time!
671
22/12/2020 00:01:15 5 0
bbc
Centurion "Crucifixion lasts hours, it's a slow horrible death"
Old Man "Well, least it gets you out in the open air"
747
22/12/2020 07:14:10 2 0
bbc
Frwee woderick!
789
22/12/2020 08:35:17 2 0
bbc
Funniest film of all time
2
21/12/2020 10:52:49 85 13
bbc
The image is wrong. The sun, Jupiter and Saturn are not in line. Jupiter and Saturn are in line of sight from Earth in the early evening. So that means the line of sight we have is not the same as a line from the Sun to those planets.
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Ben
21/12/2020 12:33:46 8 8
bbc
It's just a stock image that shows the relevant planets. Don't be so serious.
37
21/12/2020 12:49:21 4 8
bbc
Even as a stock image created by an artist, it should not contain two Saturns!
This is posted on the Science section of BBC, so any major inaccuracies are bound to be picked up.
35
21/12/2020 12:40:44 93 10
bbc
The way this year has gone it wouldn't surprise me if this heralded the second coming of Jesus, and I'm an atheist!
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x75
21/12/2020 14:38:03 23 2
bbc
Good one!!!
161
21/12/2020 17:15:47 3 1
bbc
Knowing our luck it will be the spawn of Satan
223
21/12/2020 17:46:41 13 2
bbc
I’m not sure Jesus would be allowed in at the moment. First he’d have to quarantine for a week and then there’s the fish quota...
297
21/12/2020 18:19:02 8 2
bbc
If He came back, He would have to revise the scriptures and his deeds & sermons or He'd be labelled a Commie by the US Christian Alt Right and probably shot .
311
21/12/2020 18:27:48 0 0
bbc
I actually hope it does.
776
22/12/2020 08:20:36 1 0
bbc
He's currently presenting a documentary about himself on Smithsonian! Seriously Robert Powell was so realistic as Jesus I remember feeling as if it was actually him while watching as a teenager in the 70s.
36
21/12/2020 12:43:22 24 2
bbc
No chance.
Piddling down and big hill in way.
276
21/12/2020 18:07:36 9 2
bbc
Solid Fog here. Can't see a thing and been wandering about for ages.

Looks like the Frankincense & Myrrh will have to wait another year or two.
593
21/12/2020 21:54:35 3 0
bbc
Phil, you are well placed to gaze upon this celestial manifestation! So climb that big hill and cast your eyes to the heavens so that you may observe this wondrous conjunction. If it's still raining then pray to Jesus for enlightenment, and the clouds will be parted for you.

Or perhaps they won't.
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Ben
21/12/2020 12:33:46 8 8
bbc
It's just a stock image that shows the relevant planets. Don't be so serious.
37
21/12/2020 12:49:21 4 8
bbc
Even as a stock image created by an artist, it should not contain two Saturns!
This is posted on the Science section of BBC, so any major inaccuracies are bound to be picked up.
39
21/12/2020 12:51:40 7 3
bbc
Recall that, it's Neptune in the background
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Ben
21/12/2020 13:27:50 5 1
bbc
Oh boy! It doesn't show two Saturns, that's Uranus which also has rings and you can see is on it's side. In fact, Jupiter and Neptune also have rings but they are usually too feint to see.
603
21/12/2020 22:05:56 0 0
bbc
Well the inaccuracy of you claiming the image contains "two Saturns" was picked up.
38
21/12/2020 12:50:56 12 1
bbc
The way the weather is over here in Ireland,.. and presumably much of the UK, ..anyone who isn't in an aircraft won't be seeing much of anything by the looks of it.
37
21/12/2020 12:49:21 4 8
bbc
Even as a stock image created by an artist, it should not contain two Saturns!
This is posted on the Science section of BBC, so any major inaccuracies are bound to be picked up.
39
21/12/2020 12:51:40 7 3
bbc
Recall that, it's Neptune in the background
41
21/12/2020 13:02:07 1 2
bbc
And a ring around Uranus
9
21/12/2020 11:15:28 56 262
bbc
I pray for your faith. Do not rely on man. God holds the future
40
21/12/2020 12:59:36 61 10
bbc
If a four year old makes up an invisible friend who they talk to and claims that the friend talks back to them, we just say "Awww, how sweet..."

If I did that I would be told to grow up sharpish.

Deities which people ask things of, which nobody can see, which some people claim "talk" to them, are figments of insecure people's imaginations, very much like that four year old child.
252
21/12/2020 17:58:20 7 3
bbc
You're not mad if you talk to God, only if He talks back.
39
21/12/2020 12:51:40 7 3
bbc
Recall that, it's Neptune in the background
41
21/12/2020 13:02:07 1 2
bbc
And a ring around Uranus
32
21/12/2020 12:29:36 73 8
bbc
This is portent for the second coming, but when he sees the state of the place when he arrives he may go back home sharpish before anyone notices and leave it until the next conjunction in 2453.
42
21/12/2020 13:02:58 81 73
bbc
Or emigrate to the EU that some people think is today's utopia.
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ren
21/12/2020 15:59:08 14 11
bbc
careful, a nutty one has sneaked in. Hope you're all enjoying your brexit now they've closed the tunnel and the airports. Boris should be ecstatic!
598
21/12/2020 22:01:22 2 0
bbc
oh he won't go there, too much bureaucracy, endless H& S with the reindeer
645
21/12/2020 22:57:08 3 0
bbc
A bit harsh. after all, some people in the EU actually decided to delay the start of their Christmas holidays and approve the Covid vaccine today instead of leaving it for a couple of weeks. I mean it's not like it is life or death....
711
22/12/2020 03:31:14 0 0
bbc
No chance the EU hasn't approved the vaccine yet. Typical bureaucracy.
43
21/12/2020 13:09:27 8 4
bbc
Maybe this is a good time for the experimental archeologists to demonstrate how a "star" can lead them across half of the biggest continent on the planet to a specific stable in a small little tow, given as we now know that the "star" is several billion miles away.
They say the bible has all the answers to all questions. Can some good Christian please point to the Tom-Tom button in book of Mathew
54
21/12/2020 13:39:19 7 1
bbc
Exactly. Earth rotates, so stars don't generally stay above a single point. Polaris is the only star that you can use to navigate to a specific point on Earth - and that point is the north pole, not a stable in the middle east.
59
21/12/2020 13:57:22 2 4
bbc
Since you have insisted

Matthew 7,6

is the best

but if you feel that you want to find out more about life than cynism and mockery then

Matthew 7, 8

may actually help you...
44
21/12/2020 13:11:49 3 1
bbc
For the last week I've been watching from the market square in a town in NW France. Clearly visible last Tuesday, 15/12, but since then clouds have had the upper hand. It doesn't look good for tonight.
26
21/12/2020 12:21:12 9 4
bbc
Yes, I can. You are talking about a book written in modern langauge, based on events that may have happened 2020 years ago. It's a powerful book, but it is fiction. I sat on a wall yesterday, that was built more than 2000 years ago. It was just a wall.
45
21/12/2020 13:18:17 3 1
bbc
There's a good program about a theory linking the eruption of Santorini 1600 years BC to the ten plagues of Egypt.

1) Volcano explodes, causing night during day, causin
2) Nile runs blood red, because of the sulphur
3) Frogs move to land because of sulphur into houses to escape sunlight.
4) Frogs die, attracts flies
5) Crops fail...ash.
...
10) only first born sons are fed but die from ergot
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x75
21/12/2020 14:54:43 0 1
bbc
Yes I think I saw that one. There is also a great lecture about how the destruction of certain bronze age civilizations around early Egyptian times was caused by "Sea Peoples" who may have been tribes escaping a climatic event in Europe and central asia. There are several items on the web on this but the lecture I saw was just excellent.
46
21/12/2020 13:18:22 9 3
bbc
God is playing marbles with the planets and the stars.
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x75
21/12/2020 14:37:19 5 2
bbc
Ha! MIB fan I presume?
47
21/12/2020 13:19:43 17 5
bbc
I know somebody who will give birth in 2 to 3 days, just need to find 3 wise men now.
63
21/12/2020 14:06:01 10 3
bbc
I volunteer, but you ain't getting any gold out of me!
65
21/12/2020 14:10:05 3 2
bbc
I can get perfume,
127
21/12/2020 16:59:26 8 2
bbc
3 wise men.....? No chance in Westminster!
158
21/12/2020 17:14:52 4 2
bbc
Look no further than the current uk goverment.............Nope, sorry, no wise men there.
191
GJ
21/12/2020 17:30:56 3 2
bbc
Don’t look in the cabinet....
230
21/12/2020 17:48:46 7 2
bbc
Be careful what you wish for, you could end up with Johnson, Hancock and Cummings. Oh hang on, scrub that....you asked for WISE men.
308
21/12/2020 18:26:04 2 1
bbc
They're not coming sorry.

Some spoilsport told them the Christmas Start was just 2 planets aligning and they said 'F... that, were staying at home and smokin' the Myrrh instead'.
353
DSA
21/12/2020 19:03:03 2 0
bbc
That eliminates all religious believers then.
517
21/12/2020 20:57:07 1 0
bbc
Give BoJo, Vallence and Witty a ring. They think they are wise and know everything.
807
22/12/2020 09:06:32 0 0
bbc
That's one of the problems with the story of Jesus' birth. Where on earth did they find three wise men?
26
21/12/2020 12:21:12 9 4
bbc
Yes, I can. You are talking about a book written in modern langauge, based on events that may have happened 2020 years ago. It's a powerful book, but it is fiction. I sat on a wall yesterday, that was built more than 2000 years ago. It was just a wall.
48
Ben
21/12/2020 13:21:37 2 3
bbc
You are just showing your ignorance. If you cared to read up on the subject you would see that much has been verified by independent historical accounts from the time, the bible is not the only point of reference. You should try reading some history rather than just assuming things based on your personal beliefs.
71
21/12/2020 14:18:18 1 1
bbc
I think the earliest event in the bible that is independently corroborated by contemporary accounts is the sack of Thebes.
107
21/12/2020 15:27:16 1 1
bbc
You must have missed the documentaries on C4 and BBC that could not corroborate any of the major stories in the bible. Even the time span of the book is nonsense. Earth only suppose to be 4000 years old. Genesis is clearly a fairy story, so why is any of the rest of it any truer.
49
21/12/2020 13:04:26 213 26
bbc
but the birth of Christ was not in December. It was moved by Christian bishops to align with a pagan holiday to ease peoples transition from paganism to Christianity.
101
21/12/2020 15:21:35 37 6
bbc
O bother! The planets should have aligned at Easter!
130
21/12/2020 17:01:51 7 3
bbc
It's the old knowing just enough to be dangerous but not enough to be any good syndrome

I'd be a bit surprised if this wasn't mentioned by the editor but knowledge get's such a bad press these days and is way below skills and presentation that it was probably ignored
148
21/12/2020 17:11:38 47 23
bbc
If there was a 'christ'. Or even a bloke called Jesus who came from Nazareth. There is about as much chance of Jesus being the son of a god (or even the existence of a god) as there is Brian being our 'saviour'.
171
dc
21/12/2020 17:21:18 4 5
bbc
Bah humbug David.
268
21/12/2020 18:04:54 13 31
bbc
Oh God... what a bore... Let us just enjoy what's left of our version of humanity. You celebrate whatever it is that you have, We'll celebrate Xmas (or Saturnalia... whatever) I won't bother you with whatever it is that I believe in... and please don't bother me with whatever non-belief you enjoy. And don't, please, think, you're all that smart just because you're a critic. You're just a critic.
295
21/12/2020 18:17:47 3 24
bbc
Bore
296
21/12/2020 18:18:53 12 6
bbc
Of course you forgot, 'he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...' Ha ha.
318
21/12/2020 18:31:13 8 5
bbc
Was there even a birth of christ?
321
Pip
21/12/2020 18:34:51 4 2
bbc
And back again, prefer Saturnalia as a holiday.........?
345
21/12/2020 18:56:32 8 2
bbc
And Christmas I beleieve was nicked from the Pagans who celebrated Sol Invictus, didn't want to give it up in the big transition to Christianity, so rebranded it to Christmas and moved big J's birthday to align it all comfotably?
348
MDK
21/12/2020 18:59:26 0 2
bbc
Please insert the word ...allegedly... as appropriate
364
21/12/2020 19:09:16 11 8
bbc
No such thing as Christ so it doesn’t really matter!
383
21/12/2020 19:25:42 1 4
bbc
Looks like somebody has been reading Dan Brown books
399
21/12/2020 19:39:36 2 0
bbc
Not sure it was moved

I suspect it was just a takeover in order to have a midwinter festival which is a clearly a logical time to have one
411
21/12/2020 19:44:03 6 19
bbc
Not true. This is a classic case of secularists watching a youtube video, or hearing the odd quip from an anti-theist like Dawkins or Hitchens, and thinking they're experts on a subject they actually know nothing about.
426
21/12/2020 19:50:31 10 0
bbc
Not sure that’s relevant, which is probably why they missed it out. It doesn’t happen every 2020 to the day. There could have been an aligning of planets in March, May or whenever he was born...the suggestion is that this is the same type of event that is referred to.

(Not that this proves anything...but the month isn’t relevant)
449
ben
21/12/2020 19:53:12 0 11
bbc
The celebration of the Nativity is far from pagan. It is prophetically foretold that Gentiles would celebrate the birth of the Lord.
Easter is also not pagan, its passover.
its a common myth
461
21/12/2020 20:10:42 7 1
bbc
At one time there were only 11-months to the year and the year started in March. January was later added by the Romans. The catholic church then changed the start of the year to January which is why all the months are out by 2 (September was the 7th month, now the 9th, etc). So Christ's claimed birth has always been on the move to suit whatever festival the Catholic church was trying to eradicate.
502
21/12/2020 20:47:08 3 0
bbc
?Grianstad Sona?

Absolutely-he was probably a Taurean! Born in May.

Happy Solstice-celebrating moving from dark to light-a hope/wish for the World.
504
21/12/2020 20:48:55 0 0
bbc
The redeemer king cometh
526
21/12/2020 21:05:34 2 2
bbc
This set me thinking ...and yes, after a quick Google, the big conjunctions of the past happened at different times of year - not always in December. Seems there was a big one in 7BC, so I suppose that might be when our saviour was born, but my Google skills didn't discover the date before I got bored. Anyone know?
600
21/12/2020 22:02:48 0 0
bbc
There is also no reason to believe an event involving two other planets would happen at a particular time of year. Astronomers could quite easily back-calculate the positions of these planets 2000 years and answer the "suggestion".
615
21/12/2020 22:17:57 0 0
bbc
And the bible makes no mention we should celebrate his birthday .
635
21/12/2020 22:46:06 0 0
bbc
If it was moved.. what was the original date?
However... Christians certainly celebrated it instead of any other festivals... You do know that the date of Christmas wasn't fixed in England... Don't you?
686
22/12/2020 00:45:41 1 0
bbc
Which pagan holiday? Saturnalia, Brumalia? Juvenalia? Sol Invictus? The trouble is the Romans and other pagans of the time had so many festivals there's just about no date they could have chosen that wouldn't leave them open to the same accusation. Which is why most other Christian feasts and saints' days are also supposedly nicked from the pagans
760
22/12/2020 07:45:52 0 0
bbc
He never excisted......!
823
22/12/2020 09:51:18 0 0
bbc
Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! It couldn't possibly be. The Christinas adopted Roman and Pagan holidays for Christmas and Easter. Well I never; I've never heard such knowledge or insight!!!! I'm going to stop celebrating Christmas now and stop believing in Christ. I've heard that they also adopted Norse and Roman gods for the days of the week, NOOOOOOOOOO - it cannot be!!! Give the man a medal!! Nobel??
50
21/12/2020 13:26:50 129 28
bbc
I think faith is very much a personal matter and people who have it shouldn't be ridiculed by others. I do find it strange in the 21st century, however, that there are people about who take what it is says in the bible as the literal truth. One correspondent to my local newspaper argues geologists and cosmologists don't know how the Earth formed because they weren't there but God was!
57
21/12/2020 13:50:52 11 96
bbc
Trust him. He speaks The Truth...
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x75
21/12/2020 14:36:24 23 7
bbc
Yes I agree. The book The Age of Reason clearly demonstrates the weakness in the supposed biblical texts. But faith is usually more powerful than politics so best not argue with "true believers" since it doesn't take much to upset them..... in some cases to the point where they blow themselves up in your face for their version of religion.
95
21/12/2020 15:01:23 1 9
bbc
apart from those two, how many alternate logins do you have?
144
21/12/2020 17:09:30 30 4
bbc
Why should faith be exempt from ridicule? I'm sure an all-knowing, all-powerful god doesn't need its ego protecting.
173
21/12/2020 17:21:56 4 5
bbc
Even people who claim to know 'when' and 'how' are stumped if it comes to 'why'!
324
21/12/2020 18:37:43 18 7
bbc
Faith is a belief in fables and the unprovable. Such people are all deluded without exception. Why do they deserve respect?
736
Moz
22/12/2020 05:58:02 2 0
bbc
People can believe in whatever they want but need to stop trying to force the influence of their beliefs onto everyone else and into everyday life.

Absolutely no law or rule or policy anywhere should be made based on religious beliefs or motives.
758
22/12/2020 07:40:45 2 0
bbc
Strange that someone who demands peer-reviewed literature would defend religion.
My view is: If religion doesn't want to be ridiculed, it shouldn't be so ridiculous. If it doesn't want to be hated, it shouldn't be so hateful. If it doesn't want to be the victim of prejudice, it shouldn't be the perpetrator.

The baby Jesus went on to invent eternal damnation & hellfire.
37
21/12/2020 12:49:21 4 8
bbc
Even as a stock image created by an artist, it should not contain two Saturns!
This is posted on the Science section of BBC, so any major inaccuracies are bound to be picked up.
51
Ben
21/12/2020 13:27:50 5 1
bbc
Oh boy! It doesn't show two Saturns, that's Uranus which also has rings and you can see is on it's side. In fact, Jupiter and Neptune also have rings but they are usually too feint to see.
52
21/12/2020 13:30:34 42 1
bbc
Whilst the weather isn't on our side it's worth pointing out that they will appear very close to one another for a few days so grab any clear evening you can (as soon as it gets dark). And if you have access to even a small telescope this will be the only opportunity you'll have in your lifetime to see both Jupiter and Saturn simultaneously through the eyepiece.
53
21/12/2020 13:34:26 55 4
bbc
Unlikely to get good image locally in Cambridge tonight but two great recent days show convergence of Saturn with Jupiter and four major moons. Interesting how moons reposition dramatically due to orbits and rotation times. Humidity in atmosphere causes light scatter blurred images and minute by minute changes in moon visibility. Merry Christmas and Happy View Here??
228
21/12/2020 17:48:16 54 2
bbc
Typically, as in all once in a lifetime astronomical events in this country of ours - Halley's Comet, eclipses, meteor showers, I could go on. I have seen it all (or not seen it). Britain's awful weather strikes again to ruin it for us.
43
21/12/2020 13:09:27 8 4
bbc
Maybe this is a good time for the experimental archeologists to demonstrate how a "star" can lead them across half of the biggest continent on the planet to a specific stable in a small little tow, given as we now know that the "star" is several billion miles away.
They say the bible has all the answers to all questions. Can some good Christian please point to the Tom-Tom button in book of Mathew
54
21/12/2020 13:39:19 7 1
bbc
Exactly. Earth rotates, so stars don't generally stay above a single point. Polaris is the only star that you can use to navigate to a specific point on Earth - and that point is the north pole, not a stable in the middle east.
61
21/12/2020 13:59:32 1 1
bbc
Polaris is used for navigation, it gives you north, thats how ancient mariners and travellers navigated the globe.
466
21/12/2020 20:12:45 1 0
bbc
Nah the stable was over here - If Typhoo put the T in Britain, who put the stable in Dunstable?
9
21/12/2020 11:15:28 56 262
bbc
I pray for your faith. Do not rely on man. God holds the future
55
21/12/2020 13:42:27 3 57
bbc
Exactly. Science is a new religion now so people prefer to pray to scientists instead. The results are quickly to be found though. Just look what the new version of this infamous illness does to us...
72
21/12/2020 14:20:56 41 2
bbc
"Science is a new religion..."

Sure you're not thinking of Scientology, which is basically a scam invented by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.
187
21/12/2020 17:28:55 19 5
bbc
Bet you anything you like science will steer us through this, while churches will try and claim the credit in the name of their imaginary friend.
247
RPH
21/12/2020 17:55:01 15 2
bbc
Your point is valid. So long as you question your faith every day, and reject any part of it that you cannot prove with empirical, repeatable, experimentation. Otherwise you just plain wrong in claiming they are the same. t's not an impressive god that needs his followers to lie .....
381
21/12/2020 19:23:31 15 0
bbc
"people prefer to pray to scientists instead"

I think you'll find that with effort and education, you can actually become a scientist.

That trick doesn't work so well with deities....
7
PCS
21/12/2020 11:07:05 129 33
bbc
Science v's divine celestial signs, I'll stick with science as they have a better track record aka covid19 vaccine v's prayer!
56
21/12/2020 13:45:56 1 64
bbc
Seriously? So please tell us about the chances of not getting Covid as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided nowadays that science looks like New Religion without anyone to blame if something goes wrong...
74
21/12/2020 14:25:30 49 3
bbc
But in science, you must question anything and everything that is put to you as fact. In religion you must believe what is presented to you as fact by the acolytes of the religion without question. Otherwise recriminations might follow eg. ex-communication.
217
21/12/2020 17:44:39 25 1
bbc
Multiple side effects reported all over the world??? No dear, just people talking rubbish on FB and Twitter. For FACTS, you need to look at actual real scientific evidence. You clearly have not.
320
21/12/2020 18:34:28 11 0
bbc
Stated from poster - “Multiple side effects reported all over the world” - Evidence please (and showing me your tinfoil hat doesn’t count)
384
21/12/2020 19:26:08 11 0
bbc
You've been doing your "research" on YouTube, haven't you?

Just because there are lots of comments, that doesn't make it peer reviewed!
455
21/12/2020 20:06:12 0 0
bbc
You lie
Idiot Removed
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21/12/2020 20:28:50 6 0
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1. There's no evidence that any of the mutations to date reduce the efficacy of the vaccine. 2. Please tell us where it says that there are supposed to be no side effects? According to the CDC (Center for Disease Control) "like all vaccines, a COVID-19 vaccine can cause side effects. These side effects are normal signs that your body is building protection". Facts and evidence please!
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21/12/2020 13:26:50 129 28
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I think faith is very much a personal matter and people who have it shouldn't be ridiculed by others. I do find it strange in the 21st century, however, that there are people about who take what it is says in the bible as the literal truth. One correspondent to my local newspaper argues geologists and cosmologists don't know how the Earth formed because they weren't there but God was!
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21/12/2020 13:50:52 11 96
bbc
Trust him. He speaks The Truth...
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21/12/2020 19:05:02 3 1
bbc
The nit about earth in the centre of the universe and everything going round it was twaddle - and so is the rest.
For proof look at Jupiter with moons going around it - but you will need to make the clouds go away
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21/12/2020 19:40:06 3 1
bbc
Not in the case of Noah's Flood and the Garden of Eden he doesn't!
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21/12/2020 20:20:34 0 0
bbc
Totally wrong. God is a woman.
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22/12/2020 09:39:57 0 0
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So do geologists and cosmologists
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21/12/2020 13:54:51 3 2
bbc
OK Not not be a party whatever but it's just that Jesus Christ was not even born around December 25th
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21/12/2020 13:59:14 3 6
bbc
Thanks for admitting that HE was born...
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21/12/2020 14:10:52 0 2
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So then when ? date possibly
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21/12/2020 13:09:27 8 4
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Maybe this is a good time for the experimental archeologists to demonstrate how a "star" can lead them across half of the biggest continent on the planet to a specific stable in a small little tow, given as we now know that the "star" is several billion miles away.
They say the bible has all the answers to all questions. Can some good Christian please point to the Tom-Tom button in book of Mathew
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21/12/2020 13:57:22 2 4
bbc
Since you have insisted

Matthew 7,6

is the best

but if you feel that you want to find out more about life than cynism and mockery then

Matthew 7, 8

may actually help you...
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21/12/2020 14:14:55 2 3
bbc
I assume the digits 6 & 8 are referring to particular paragraphs. If so I've just had a look and I still believe it is a load of old cobblers. Now how is my belief and less valid than someone who does believe in deities?
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21/12/2020 17:50:39 3 1
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You are aware Matthew didn’t actually write all that.
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21/12/2020 19:18:55 4 0
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Matthew 10 maybe

“Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine."

He really does sound like a total charmer at times. Any wonder so many of you are running around confusing fear with love.
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21/12/2020 13:54:51 3 2
bbc
OK Not not be a party whatever but it's just that Jesus Christ was not even born around December 25th
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21/12/2020 13:59:14 3 6
bbc
Thanks for admitting that HE was born...
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21/12/2020 14:09:16 9 5
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Yeah historians prove he was born, doesn't mean your imaginary friend is real. I can make up a God and claim I am born from him make a fairy tale. A bloke named jesus was born around the time period implied. God however is not real, just a means to manipulate tribes into obeying you.
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21/12/2020 13:39:19 7 1
bbc
Exactly. Earth rotates, so stars don't generally stay above a single point. Polaris is the only star that you can use to navigate to a specific point on Earth - and that point is the north pole, not a stable in the middle east.
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21/12/2020 13:59:32 1 1
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Polaris is used for navigation, it gives you north, thats how ancient mariners and travellers navigated the globe.
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21/12/2020 14:04:36 3 3
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Would be a little bit of brightness penetrating this gloomy Christmas , looking at the murky outside won't hold my breath.
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21/12/2020 15:58:26 0 2
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Everything is a bit gloomy at the moment, I've not even been able to go a football match, are you a Portsmouth fan?
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21/12/2020 13:19:43 17 5
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I know somebody who will give birth in 2 to 3 days, just need to find 3 wise men now.
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21/12/2020 14:06:01 10 3
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I volunteer, but you ain't getting any gold out of me!
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22/12/2020 05:09:27 0 0
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Wise men?
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21/12/2020 13:59:14 3 6
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Thanks for admitting that HE was born...
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21/12/2020 14:09:16 9 5
bbc
Yeah historians prove he was born, doesn't mean your imaginary friend is real. I can make up a God and claim I am born from him make a fairy tale. A bloke named jesus was born around the time period implied. God however is not real, just a means to manipulate tribes into obeying you.
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21/12/2020 16:56:42 2 1
bbc
Agreed with Suicidebadger. And, to Zjawka:

I only said that whatever alignment causing a very bright star happening around now did not happen around the real date of the birth of this guy named Jesus Christ or "The Anointed".

Whatever else you want to believe, be my guest.
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21/12/2020 13:19:43 17 5
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I know somebody who will give birth in 2 to 3 days, just need to find 3 wise men now.
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21/12/2020 14:10:05 3 2
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I can get perfume,
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21/12/2020 16:26:50 7 2
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Oh no no no I'm not being the weirdo bringing myrrh as a birthing gift... If they ask I went halves with you on the perfume!
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21/12/2020 14:10:08 1 2
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apart from the clouds obscuring a great sight.
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21/12/2020 13:54:51 3 2
bbc
OK Not not be a party whatever but it's just that Jesus Christ was not even born around December 25th
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21/12/2020 14:10:52 0 2
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So then when ? date possibly
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21/12/2020 14:14:14 1 1
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The month is belived to be January,
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21/12/2020 14:14:03 48 3
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Lovely and clear in Cambodia tonight, been watching them getting closer all week.
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21/12/2020 17:14:07 39 1
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All I can see from Leeds is clouds. Let me out of this hell hole already, oh wait......
Removed
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21/12/2020 14:10:52 0 2
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So then when ? date possibly
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21/12/2020 14:14:14 1 1
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The month is belived to be January,
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21/12/2020 14:32:12 3 1
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I had read later than January, but the key point is that Christmas Day was selected by the early Christian church to align the birth of the christ with pagan celebrations. This helped cement the date in the minds of the uneducated masses. There is much about early christianity that would surprise the believers, nonetheless I am not disputing that a man called Jesus existed.
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21/12/2020 13:57:22 2 4
bbc
Since you have insisted

Matthew 7,6

is the best

but if you feel that you want to find out more about life than cynism and mockery then

Matthew 7, 8

may actually help you...
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21/12/2020 14:14:55 2 3
bbc
I assume the digits 6 & 8 are referring to particular paragraphs. If so I've just had a look and I still believe it is a load of old cobblers. Now how is my belief and less valid than someone who does believe in deities?
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21/12/2020 17:42:27 4 1
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I too found a load of old cobblers. Perhaps Matthew was trying to set up a shoe repair business:

"Shoes wearing down? Walked all the way from afar? Come to Bethlehem Boots for quality re-soles, and while here why not get a spare key for your valuables? Lock up your gold, frankincense and myrrh with a quality product. Just say you're looking for cobblers - you'll find exactly what you'd expect."
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Ben
21/12/2020 13:21:37 2 3
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You are just showing your ignorance. If you cared to read up on the subject you would see that much has been verified by independent historical accounts from the time, the bible is not the only point of reference. You should try reading some history rather than just assuming things based on your personal beliefs.
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21/12/2020 14:18:18 1 1
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I think the earliest event in the bible that is independently corroborated by contemporary accounts is the sack of Thebes.
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21/12/2020 13:42:27 3 57
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Exactly. Science is a new religion now so people prefer to pray to scientists instead. The results are quickly to be found though. Just look what the new version of this infamous illness does to us...
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21/12/2020 14:20:56 41 2
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"Science is a new religion..."

Sure you're not thinking of Scientology, which is basically a scam invented by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.
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21/12/2020 12:11:05 353 21
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MP
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the 'milky way'
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21/12/2020 14:24:02 48 8
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Thank you, that made my day!
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21/12/2020 13:45:56 1 64
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Seriously? So please tell us about the chances of not getting Covid as it's changing so quickly, using this amazing vaccine. This vaccine suppose to have no side effects and only 2 weeks after taking it there are multiple side effects reported all over the world. Science... People are so one sided nowadays that science looks like New Religion without anyone to blame if something goes wrong...
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21/12/2020 14:25:30 49 3
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But in science, you must question anything and everything that is put to you as fact. In religion you must believe what is presented to you as fact by the acolytes of the religion without question. Otherwise recriminations might follow eg. ex-communication.
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21/12/2020 17:53:01 3 17
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Don't get me wrong here, i'm an engineer so I believe in science not religion; however, your comment is not so different to something like the Large Hadron Collider - we're told by a group of scientists that a higgs boson has been detected and it can only be done with their machine and we should continue to pay them millions in taxes to continue to prove it; but i've no way of confirming it's true
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21/12/2020 19:38:55 1 3
bbc
A simplistic and inaccurate interpretation of religion as you will find anywhere.
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21/12/2020 10:42:39 113 4
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The turtle moves.
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21/12/2020 14:27:37 27 3
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RIP Terry, you are so much missed.
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21/12/2020 12:28:49 6 2
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'Correct relative positions' are almost impossible to display. Even within the solar system distances are so gobsmackingly vast that we have no real-world comprehension, let alone being able to show them with a few pixels.
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21/12/2020 14:28:29 7 1
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Analogy I've come across is that if you scaled the solar system down to the size of a 6ft round table, then the sun would be the size of a grain of sand in the middle, the Earth would be an invisible speck of dust one inch from it and the next nearest star would be seven and half miles away.
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21/12/2020 14:14:14 1 1
bbc
The month is belived to be January,
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x75
21/12/2020 14:32:12 3 1
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I had read later than January, but the key point is that Christmas Day was selected by the early Christian church to align the birth of the christ with pagan celebrations. This helped cement the date in the minds of the uneducated masses. There is much about early christianity that would surprise the believers, nonetheless I am not disputing that a man called Jesus existed.
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21/12/2020 14:40:08 1 2
bbc
Yeah, can't remember the date, I do think the orthodox Christians are the ones that actually celebrate Jesus's proper birth. But yeah classic Chirstianity, By sheer luck you happen to have chosen the same day. Its the same with All Hallows Day (Halloween). Originaly All Hallows day (All Saints Day) was in april, but they moved it to october, one of the only true pagen fesitiveity that we still do
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21/12/2020 13:26:50 129 28
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I think faith is very much a personal matter and people who have it shouldn't be ridiculed by others. I do find it strange in the 21st century, however, that there are people about who take what it is says in the bible as the literal truth. One correspondent to my local newspaper argues geologists and cosmologists don't know how the Earth formed because they weren't there but God was!
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x75
21/12/2020 14:36:24 23 7
bbc
Yes I agree. The book The Age of Reason clearly demonstrates the weakness in the supposed biblical texts. But faith is usually more powerful than politics so best not argue with "true believers" since it doesn't take much to upset them..... in some cases to the point where they blow themselves up in your face for their version of religion.
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21/12/2020 13:18:22 9 3
bbc
God is playing marbles with the planets and the stars.
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x75
21/12/2020 14:37:19 5 2
bbc
Ha! MIB fan I presume?
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21/12/2020 12:40:44 93 10
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The way this year has gone it wouldn't surprise me if this heralded the second coming of Jesus, and I'm an atheist!
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x75
21/12/2020 14:38:03 23 2
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Good one!!!
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21/12/2020 21:23:48 0 1
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do you know how I know you're an alias?
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21/12/2020 12:33:22 242 16
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WISE MAN #1: We must pay homage to him.

MANDY: Homage? You're all drunk. It's disgusting. Out! The lot, out!

WISE MAN #1: We were led by a star.

MANDY: Or led by a bottle, more like. Go on. Out!

WISE MAN #1: We must see him. We have brought presents.

MANDY: Out!

WISE MAN #2: Gold. Frankincense. Myrrh.

MANDY: Well, why didn't you say? He's over there. Sorry the place is a bit of a mess.
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x75
21/12/2020 14:38:58 92 21
bbc
A great movie!!! Most readers here won't know though....
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21/12/2020 17:09:01 0 4
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you can't avoid serpo barkingskinians alternate logins in the science section.
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21/12/2020 18:22:40 5 1
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The Satranic verses was a good book too but I don't remember a fatwah being issued against John Cleese or Terry Jones.
Oh and you forgot.... he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy Haha.
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21/12/2020 19:41:17 2 0
bbc
Oh yes we do..!
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21/12/2020 19:41:21 1 2
bbc
(it's called being under 60)
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Sam
21/12/2020 23:10:04 2 0
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Albatross!Get your albatross! ??
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x75
21/12/2020 14:32:12 3 1
bbc
I had read later than January, but the key point is that Christmas Day was selected by the early Christian church to align the birth of the christ with pagan celebrations. This helped cement the date in the minds of the uneducated masses. There is much about early christianity that would surprise the believers, nonetheless I am not disputing that a man called Jesus existed.
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21/12/2020 14:40:08 1 2
bbc
Yeah, can't remember the date, I do think the orthodox Christians are the ones that actually celebrate Jesus's proper birth. But yeah classic Chirstianity, By sheer luck you happen to have chosen the same day. Its the same with All Hallows Day (Halloween). Originaly All Hallows day (All Saints Day) was in april, but they moved it to october, one of the only true pagen fesitiveity that we still do
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21/12/2020 15:20:00 0 2
bbc
Bad luck this time. Halloween is a day before All Saints Day which happens on the 1st of November
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21/12/2020 14:41:51 5 11
bbc
"That became known as the Star of Bethlehem".

I naively assumed that BBC News would be reporting facts, rather than hearsay and speculation. Where's the verification?

Prove it BBC, or accept that the licence fee should be scrapped.
You are not following your own guidelines.
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21/12/2020 14:48:52 11 5
bbc
Are you incapable of reading more than a few sentences before you are overtaken by the need to rant illogoically about the BBC?
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21/12/2020 14:53:06 8 1
bbc
Back under your bridge. The article talks about a bright light in the sky 2,000 becoming "...known as the Star of Bethlehem".

This is an established and widley accepted part of the Christian tradition of Christmas. The article does not make claim that the conjunction "became known as..."

Life above the bridge is way better.
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21/12/2020 15:10:53 5 1
bbc
This is an excellent article by the BBC for people that are interested in this sort of thing, obviously it doesn't interest you so why bother to comment.
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21/12/2020 15:22:18 5 1
bbc
Seriously, I know lockdown is hard but you really do need to get a life. Should the BBC stop commenting on anything historic in nature as so many things are very difficult to prove as Facts.
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21/12/2020 12:11:05 353 21
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MP
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the 'milky way'
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x75
21/12/2020 14:42:14 18 1
bbc
What's even more astounding is that our galaxy is just one of millions upon millions and that the gold in my ring originated from supernovas countless eons ago.....
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21/12/2020 17:09:26 2 64
bbc
evidence?
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21/12/2020 11:34:43 2 22
bbc
Astrology, pythagorian numerology & Chinese astrology has always been the key to life's road map and sat nav. The churches & the cult use them to glean advantage over those who are not in the know. Nearly every top CEO has an esoteric advisor on its payroll and those who don't "well"? Ask yourself why certain religious libraries has some of the largest collection of books on the subject matters?
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x75
21/12/2020 14:44:15 1 1
bbc
Some truth to your comment. Fibonacci and Pi also exert much more of an influence than the average person can hope to understand.
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21/12/2020 12:22:25 9 1
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Because the religious elite were the only ones allowed to have libraries for most of history in the West, otherwise they would have been executed for heresy. Why don't you grab one of those books and read it for once?
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x75
21/12/2020 14:46:52 0 1
bbc
Not sure that completely negates his comment though. However I agree with your first sentence 100%
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21/12/2020 14:41:51 5 11
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"That became known as the Star of Bethlehem".

I naively assumed that BBC News would be reporting facts, rather than hearsay and speculation. Where's the verification?

Prove it BBC, or accept that the licence fee should be scrapped.
You are not following your own guidelines.
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21/12/2020 14:48:52 11 5
bbc
Are you incapable of reading more than a few sentences before you are overtaken by the need to rant illogoically about the BBC?
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21/12/2020 15:00:19 0 3
bbc
hi serpy.
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21/12/2020 14:51:16 4 1
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I'm really looking forward to seeing this, hopefully we'll have a clear evening although it doesn't look great at the moment.
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21/12/2020 14:41:51 5 11
bbc
"That became known as the Star of Bethlehem".

I naively assumed that BBC News would be reporting facts, rather than hearsay and speculation. Where's the verification?

Prove it BBC, or accept that the licence fee should be scrapped.
You are not following your own guidelines.
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21/12/2020 14:53:06 8 1
bbc
Back under your bridge. The article talks about a bright light in the sky 2,000 becoming "...known as the Star of Bethlehem".

This is an established and widley accepted part of the Christian tradition of Christmas. The article does not make claim that the conjunction "became known as..."

Life above the bridge is way better.
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21/12/2020 17:09:45 1 2
bbc
" established and widley accepted part of the Christian tradition of Christmas"

... on the basis of a few words in only one of the four gospels (six or more, if you include the Apocrypha)?

I'd respectfully suggest a bright light in the sky around the time of the winter solstice was significant to ancient civilisations. Comet or supernova, more likely comet IMHO.
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21/12/2020 13:18:17 3 1
bbc
There's a good program about a theory linking the eruption of Santorini 1600 years BC to the ten plagues of Egypt.

1) Volcano explodes, causing night during day, causin
2) Nile runs blood red, because of the sulphur
3) Frogs move to land because of sulphur into houses to escape sunlight.
4) Frogs die, attracts flies
5) Crops fail...ash.
...
10) only first born sons are fed but die from ergot
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x75
21/12/2020 14:54:43 0 1
bbc
Yes I think I saw that one. There is also a great lecture about how the destruction of certain bronze age civilizations around early Egyptian times was caused by "Sea Peoples" who may have been tribes escaping a climatic event in Europe and central asia. There are several items on the web on this but the lecture I saw was just excellent.
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21/12/2020 14:53:56 1 2
bbc
It's all coming true, just like Tomb Raider! Where's Laura Croft when you need her!
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21/12/2020 14:57:31 1 2
bbc
Bright and clear in the sky from North Dorset at 4:45pm on 20th.
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21/12/2020 17:02:17 0 1
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That was yesterday.
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21/12/2020 14:48:52 11 5
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Are you incapable of reading more than a few sentences before you are overtaken by the need to rant illogoically about the BBC?
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21/12/2020 15:00:19 0 3
bbc
hi serpy.
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21/12/2020 15:08:08 4 1
bbc
Don't think I know you, fortunately!
You know that the bible is a work of fiction... you know that... right... Removed
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x75
21/12/2020 15:00:37 3 1
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Sorry, although not a believer Big Badger, the bible has too many correlatable instances to be just fiction. However it has been pulled together from a variety of early christian texts with those that didn't fit the narrative being omitted. More to the point is that it is not the word of God, but of man, some of whom were likely "touched" by mental illness or drugs. Revelation comes to mind.
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21/12/2020 13:26:50 129 28
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I think faith is very much a personal matter and people who have it shouldn't be ridiculed by others. I do find it strange in the 21st century, however, that there are people about who take what it is says in the bible as the literal truth. One correspondent to my local newspaper argues geologists and cosmologists don't know how the Earth formed because they weren't there but God was!
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21/12/2020 15:01:23 1 9
bbc
apart from those two, how many alternate logins do you have?
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21/12/2020 19:41:05 2 0
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No need to demonstrate that your intellectual ability doesn't stretch to counting!
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21/12/2020 15:08:01 4 2
bbc
And in typical fashion, solid overcast skies and nothing to be seen on the 21st. What a disappointment.
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21/12/2020 15:00:19 0 3
bbc
hi serpy.
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21/12/2020 15:08:08 4 1
bbc
Don't think I know you, fortunately!
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21/12/2020 14:41:51 5 11
bbc
"That became known as the Star of Bethlehem".

I naively assumed that BBC News would be reporting facts, rather than hearsay and speculation. Where's the verification?

Prove it BBC, or accept that the licence fee should be scrapped.
You are not following your own guidelines.
98
21/12/2020 15:10:53 5 1
bbc
This is an excellent article by the BBC for people that are interested in this sort of thing, obviously it doesn't interest you so why bother to comment.
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21/12/2020 15:19:46 2 3
bbc
Agree. It good to read about astronomy and related sciences. At least in lockdown we can learn about the night sky to cheer us up.

We have had too much bad news this year with doom laden predictions from financial astrologers (economists) getting it wrong!!
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21/12/2020 15:10:53 5 1
bbc
This is an excellent article by the BBC for people that are interested in this sort of thing, obviously it doesn't interest you so why bother to comment.
99
21/12/2020 15:19:46 2 3
bbc
Agree. It good to read about astronomy and related sciences. At least in lockdown we can learn about the night sky to cheer us up.

We have had too much bad news this year with doom laden predictions from financial astrologers (economists) getting it wrong!!
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21/12/2020 15:24:54 1 1
bbc
During the first lockdown would have been the ideal time for this to happen, I've never seen the skies so clear, it was fascinating watching the night sky while out walking my little day at night, so much more to see with the naked eye than normal.
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21/12/2020 14:40:08 1 2
bbc
Yeah, can't remember the date, I do think the orthodox Christians are the ones that actually celebrate Jesus's proper birth. But yeah classic Chirstianity, By sheer luck you happen to have chosen the same day. Its the same with All Hallows Day (Halloween). Originaly All Hallows day (All Saints Day) was in april, but they moved it to october, one of the only true pagen fesitiveity that we still do
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21/12/2020 15:20:00 0 2
bbc
Bad luck this time. Halloween is a day before All Saints Day which happens on the 1st of November