Cyberpunk 2077: Sony pulls game from PlayStation while Xbox offers refunds
18/12/2020 | news | business | 540
The unprecedented move comes as players say the game is riddled with bugs and glitches.
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18/12/2020 10:16:57 69 6
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Just like 2020. Riddled with bugs, glitches and prone to crashing. Will wait for the update, 2/10
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18/12/2020 11:52:29 36 5
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I think Astra/Zeneca released the 1.1 Patch. Apparently its 95% compatible with most hardware.
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18/12/2020 12:43:39 0 1
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Don't worry Vodka and Cough syrup will fix 2020!
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18/12/2020 18:54:16 0 2
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Ill say this though. 1.04 patch has had zero crashes for me. It is stable. Latest nvidia drivers have stopped a lot of graphical glitches too. There are still bugs of course and mission breaking oopsies but it doesnt crash now.

AI is still rubbish, that will need a lot of work. Pathfinding still sucks. Bit it does look pretty.
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18/12/2020 10:19:13 91 12
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Cyberpunk 2077 is not the first nor the last game to be released and riddled with bugs and glitches.

It is a massive growing trend amongst developers to do this.

It's about time the industry stepped up and released games that work on day 0 without patching.

It's also about time gamers stopped lapping up every offering they are served like blind sycophants.
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18/12/2020 10:24:02 22 32
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cue googling what "sycophant" means haha
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18/12/2020 11:17:01 4 4
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I can't help but laugh at everyone who pre-ordered this game.

Why pay full price for a promise?
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18/12/2020 12:16:06 1 1
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Good point... back in the day when you only had the CD of the game you generally got a finished product.
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18/12/2020 12:17:57 2 1
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CDPR were lauded as being one of the last standing developers who wouldn't rush a games development to satisfy the board's revenue targets *cough* EA *cough*.

This whole ordeal with Cyberpunk would be extremely sad if it wasn't so funny! The game is playable on PC, but the bugs do take away from a game that was supposed to be so highly polished on release (it had been delayed 4 times afterall!)
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18/12/2020 12:26:26 8 2
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It's not limited to gaming, but software as a whole.

It's a bi-product of "Agile Development" , which basically means, produce a "minimum viable product" then listen to users and release "feature updates" (fixes!) on feedback.

In the days of old goats like me, things were released on physical media, without ANY way of updating them. If it wasn't finished, it would erase profits.
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18/12/2020 12:41:26 2 4
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I'm an indie games developer, don't blame us!

Blame the big corporate studios with shareholders who want an ROI!

If you want a better game, buy indie! :o)
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18/12/2020 18:02:04 0 4
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Patches are just a reality. Even the best games require them. This game is mind-bogglingly stunning. We’re not owed anything but the game we paid for, and I’m loving every second of it, couldn’t ask for more.
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18/12/2020 22:21:33 0 1
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All I can say is it works fine on my PC, only had one glitch and that was when I entered a car and was inside the drivers body looking at the back of their eyeballs :)
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18/12/2020 23:24:04 0 1
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This problem isn’t just prevalent in the gaming industry but in the software industry as a whole. I think there’s a ‘We’ll fix it later’ mentality especially when tight deadlines are involved. I know we’ve already waited a long time for this game but I’d rather have waited longer for a good quality result rather than a buggy mess...
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18/12/2020 10:19:24 3 4
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It's a great game so far, runs fine on xbox one x, though with the odd glitch and crash. Nothing that bothers me though since I just restart and carry on.

It'll be interesting if CDPR are transparent to help themselves (and the wider industry) learn from this. The vocal whingers on the interent do feed into this too, they would not have accepted another delay.
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18/12/2020 10:29:39 0 7
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It's also OK on PS5. I guess it's nice that Xbox X finally has a worthwhile game to play. Should tide you over until 2022 when Halo arrives.
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18/12/2020 10:20:41 3 29
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In the current climate, this drivel is worthy of H.Y.S. Should be put on the back pages, or sent to the recycle bin
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18/12/2020 10:22:59 18 2
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You're absolutely right. The news should just be page after page of criticising the goverment over COVID. That's the kind of negative single-mindedness the media needs right now.

Go do some self care
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18/12/2020 10:30:09 5 2
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A bit like your post but I guess you’d rather be arguing about Brexit or COVID?

There’s more going in the world than just two things and whilst it might not be important to you it might be important to others!
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18/12/2020 10:32:02 7 2
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Then you have no idea how much the gaming industry is worth to UK PLC. Its £2.2 Billion last year and employed around 20,000 people which only makes our digital skills economy stronger-especially important at the moment.
Fishing is 1.4 billion and employs 24,000 in fishing and processing and we know how much coverage thats getting getting
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18/12/2020 11:29:06 1 2
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Better than wall to wall panic over a virus that we have had 9 months of from the media.

I would say this is precisely what HYS needs. To stop us all going even more crazy. Video games are a much needed escape.
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18/12/2020 10:20:47 21 4
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It would have been better to focus on a next gen and PC release for this. They've tied themselves into supporting technology that's about to be replaced.

I'm a big fan of this studio and the work they've done previously. It's a sad benchmark of how much is too much expectations from publishers. This isn't the game they set out to make.
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18/12/2020 10:26:38 15 20
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Sony have insisted that any PS5 game must be playable on PS4. IMO that’s just going to hold back PS5 games.
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18/12/2020 11:47:03 1 1
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Agreed but the marketing & sales side of the gaming business was never going to except that... A target market of a few million new console machines vs a few hundred million console machines.

They'd demand the biggest market every time!
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18/12/2020 15:57:08 0 1
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Seems to me that in that case they shouldn't have released it.
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Removed
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18/12/2020 10:20:23 1 1
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Overpromised under delivered.

Managing expectations 0/10.
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18/12/2020 10:20:41 3 29
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In the current climate, this drivel is worthy of H.Y.S. Should be put on the back pages, or sent to the recycle bin
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18/12/2020 10:22:59 18 2
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You're absolutely right. The news should just be page after page of criticising the goverment over COVID. That's the kind of negative single-mindedness the media needs right now.

Go do some self care
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jay
18/12/2020 10:23:31 131 9
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again and again half made games with a full price tag , until gamers stand up you gonna get the same again and again ,
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18/12/2020 11:13:10 57 6
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And the loot box and in game purchases nonsense too.

Gamers are being hosed, but seem content to just sit and take it.
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18/12/2020 11:37:41 5 7
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The problem here is that gamers were complaining about the delays. As shown by a base games (Not one X/Pro or SX/PS5) its just buggy. The game itself is great and honestly I have yet to see any major bugs, minor graphical glitches (but that is expected of a large game) and unlike bethseda CDPR legit are fixing bugs and this harkens back to Witcher 3. OOB it was glitchy, now a great game.
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18/12/2020 11:51:01 10 1
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Well that's the software industry and has been for decades. Oh and its now also the hardware industry too; how many mobile phones, tvs etc are sold with known bugs? It doesn't make it right, but it's all about the money and is now the norm unfortunately and can be summed up in a single word: Greed.
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18/12/2020 12:05:18 5 1
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Well said. I've been saying that for ages now. And was going to post a comment here to the same effect. Half finished pieces of junk and they get consumers to do the testing for them. I never buy a game until like a year after its been out these days. Let them finish it before they get my money, and you can often find them on sale by then too.
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18/12/2020 17:58:13 1 6
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It’s not half-made, there are some very minor glitches here & there, to be expected with such a massive game.
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18/12/2020 20:21:34 0 1
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It's fully made though just not optimised and it is obviously worth full price.
They spend 20 minutes patching the latest transfers on fifa and charge you £60 so why shouldn't they be allowed to charge for this insanely huge open world built from the ground up?
Even with a few minor bugs (I'm playing on xbone just fine since the patch) this is still a masterpiece worth every penny.
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18/12/2020 21:14:32 0 1
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As I understand it though the game plays well if you have a high spec PC - my friend has been really enjoying playing it. The problem is mainly down to systems not able to deal with the demands of the game
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18/12/2020 23:57:20 1 0
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Its not half made. Its fully made for a good pc/ps5... which is why its harder for a ps4 to cope with. I have it on pc and it runs absolutely perfectly and is a great game. Look at Witcher 3 and what the same developer did with it... almost universally considered one of the best games ever and tell me this company releases half made games.
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18/12/2020 10:24:50 3 2
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Sony are still refusing to issue refunds through the PS store - how can they justify that when they themselves have pulled the game?
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18/12/2020 10:28:22 1 1
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Especially since CDPR already pre-empted this by promising full refunds to anyone not willing to wait for patching.
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18/12/2020 10:38:25 0 1
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Not surprising! They have always been stubborn about issuing refunds.
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18/12/2020 10:34:08 1 1
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I just went through the PS refund bot and it has a short vut straight to a button to submit for refund. took me 20 seconds - really surprised but very easy. Did this this morning.
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18/12/2020 11:05:48 1 1
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The first line of this article says otherwise...
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18/12/2020 10:25:21 3 2
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Part of the problem is consumers having to accept products that are rushed as they generally have no comeback on game purchases.

Developers need to be held more to account by the platforms on some of the garbage that is released although Sony haven’t helped themselves by insisting that all PS5 games must be playable on PS4 given the vast differences in technology between the two consoles.
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18/12/2020 10:30:10 5 1
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Would be better to make sure all current PS4 games are playable on PS5. With HDR upscaling where possible.
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18/12/2020 10:37:01 3 1
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As someone who works in the industry, whilst there are some developers with questionable approaches to releasing titles, many issues are a result of greedy publishers making unrealistic demands. Developers don't want bug-ridden games. Most take pride in their work but unfortunately if publishers demand the game yesterday, there's little developers can do other than their best in the time afforded.
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18/12/2020 11:07:50 0 1
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Rushed? This game was announced in 2012. To be fair I did think it would be 2077 before it actually launched. ??
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18/12/2020 11:17:14 1 1
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When did Sony insist all PS5 games are playable on PS4? Not sure where this myth comes from or why people keep spouting it.
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18/12/2020 10:58:14 0 1
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Sony insisted that any PS4 game released from July 2020 had to be playable on PS5. This info was released around the period where talks of backwards compatibility issues were rife due to Sony's lack of communication on the matter... in stark contrast to Microsoft who were very vocal in their backwards compatibility focus.

I don't believe any promises were made for PS5 games to run on PS4 though?
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18/12/2020 14:19:15 0 1
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"Sony haven’t helped themselves by insisting that all PS5 games must be playable on PS4"

You already said that, then corrected it, incorrectly.

Sony.com is probably a good place to find the facts.
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18/12/2020 10:20:47 21 4
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It would have been better to focus on a next gen and PC release for this. They've tied themselves into supporting technology that's about to be replaced.

I'm a big fan of this studio and the work they've done previously. It's a sad benchmark of how much is too much expectations from publishers. This isn't the game they set out to make.
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18/12/2020 10:26:38 15 20
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Sony have insisted that any PS5 game must be playable on PS4. IMO that’s just going to hold back PS5 games.
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18/12/2020 10:52:59 7 2
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You have it backwards - that's the Xbox approach, not the Playstation one.

Sony want to push the next gen (for example Demon Souls is a PS5 launch exclusive only available on that console) and launching a new controller with new features. Microsoft are looking to push Gamepass and have an Xbox family that will all play the same games but with a higher fidelity on the new hardware.
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18/12/2020 11:04:26 5 1
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That can't be true, what about Astrobot's playroom for a start?
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18/12/2020 11:13:50 13 1
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Why do people make things up in comments sections? It isn't true that Sony have insisted all PS5 games must be playable on PS4, hard to understand what's being gained from that lie.
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18/12/2020 11:18:59 1 3
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It won't, as the leap from PS4 to PS5 is the smallest technological leap of any playstation.
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18/12/2020 11:35:09 2 4
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It doesn't work on the PS5 either. Believe me it's just as bad.
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18/12/2020 12:22:19 0 1
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That’s not true. PS5 games can only be played on PS5 due to adaptive trigger controllers and hardware limitations.

PS4 games can be played on PS5 but only if installed on the SSD.
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18/12/2020 14:25:47 0 2
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https://www.pushsquare.com/guides/will-ps5-games-play-on-ps4#:~:text=The%20short%20answer%20is%3A%20no,won't%20work%20on%20PS4.

The short answer is: no, games designed for PS5 will not play on PS4.
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18/12/2020 10:26:44 16 2
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A good decision. You can't release stuff that is a complete mess and broken. The crunch the developers were put under clearly made things worse as well. Should've just delayed further until the game was ready for actual release.
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18/12/2020 10:27:42 55 3
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I get that games makers are under pressure to recoup, but releasing games with serious flaws is actually a pretty good way to go out of business.

Ubisoft is another company that consistently releases buggy games. Their bugs are - just - tolerable, but they evidently aren't interested in actually fixing the problems.

Then look at Rockstar and Naughty Dog - they're in a different league.
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18/12/2020 10:43:40 29 1
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Ubisoft also usually massively downgrade their games for release. The E3 for watchdogs and Siege v release is the worst example of it.

But EA have to be the worst company for unfinished broken games. ME:A, BFV, FIFA, Anthem and that's just the recent ones.
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18/12/2020 10:44:26 6 1
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Naughty Dog, sure, although they have the luxury of being able to target a single system rather than going multi-platform. However, Rockstar's games are only like that if you play on a console. If you play on the PC, you can go rot as far as they're concerned; Grand Theft Auto IV was an obnoxiously bad port, Red Dead Redemption never even got released and RDR2 wasn't good on release for PC.
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18/12/2020 10:54:26 4 4
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Rockstar are pathetic.

GTA V was the most hacked game ever! Literally thousands of accounts have been hacked, and then banned by Rockstar with nobody to contact about it.
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18/12/2020 11:41:09 3 2
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CDPR unlike the other on this list do actually fix their games. Witcher 3 was infamously buggy on release. it is now considered one of the best games and there are next to no bugs. this also seems to be affecting only Xbox one and PS4 for most of the issues, not hearing much for PS5/XSX, and its holding up on Xbox one X, as I have yet to see any major bugs, seems common for those who own midgen
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18/12/2020 12:47:18 3 1
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Watchdogs Legion is still unplayable on the Xbox 2 months after release. Ubisofts response on their forums was along the lines of "you've give us your money now, not bothered"
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18/12/2020 18:03:11 1 1
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Have you played it? I’ve experienced no serious flaws on PS4.
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18/12/2020 10:28:00 7 7
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Give it a year and the game will be great with bug fixes and extra features.
No Mans Sky was not great on release, but updates and fixes made it great.

Plus in a year it will be a lot cheaper.

Anyway it is Horizon Forbidden West I am waiting for. If it is anywhere as near as good as Zero Dawn it could be THE game for PS5.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:33:06 2 1
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Red Dead 3
GTA VI
Horizon FW
TLOU 3
MGS 6

is what I want to see in the next few years. I have a feeling the last one on the list may not materialise...
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18/12/2020 10:38:18 2 1
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Why are you going to bat for a corporate entity that doesn't care for you and crunches it's employees in an unhealthy work enviroment? The devs have been in a 6 day week crunch for a year.

Theindustry is a cesspit of exploitative practices but here we are with a people that stake their very identity on the next big product the industry releases so much that they have to defend the indefensible.
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18/12/2020 10:48:12 0 1
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Yes but that's the big problem isn't it? If you're going to sell something as a complete product then it NEEDS to be a complete functioning product.

Imagine buying a brand new car and being told you need to wait a year for it to run without breaking down every day. Would that be acceptable to you?
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18/12/2020 11:00:45 0 1
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No Mans Sky...really! you were told lie after lie about No Mans Sky by one of the guys making it & a lot of things in the trailers before release just didnt exist in final build. Now you want you shower that game with praise!?

Heres an idea! stop supporting & giving praise to Devs/Companies who treat Staff/Customers like crap. Until you do you are part of the problem.
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18/12/2020 10:28:08 9 6
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Weird that the even worse Xbox One version, Microsoft is still happy to take the cash for... That's the real story here...
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18/12/2020 11:10:37 1 1
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This may force their hand actually. Be interesting to see how it pans out in the next few days.
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Rob
18/12/2020 12:49:18 0 1
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Watchdogs Legion. Still on sale in the Microsoft store despite never having worked.
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18/12/2020 13:33:43 1 2
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PS4 is the worse version no? Technically on paper xbox one has better specs.
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18/12/2020 10:24:50 3 2
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Sony are still refusing to issue refunds through the PS store - how can they justify that when they themselves have pulled the game?
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18/12/2020 10:28:22 1 1
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Especially since CDPR already pre-empted this by promising full refunds to anyone not willing to wait for patching.
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18/12/2020 10:19:24 3 4
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It's a great game so far, runs fine on xbox one x, though with the odd glitch and crash. Nothing that bothers me though since I just restart and carry on.

It'll be interesting if CDPR are transparent to help themselves (and the wider industry) learn from this. The vocal whingers on the interent do feed into this too, they would not have accepted another delay.
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18/12/2020 10:29:39 0 7
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It's also OK on PS5. I guess it's nice that Xbox X finally has a worthwhile game to play. Should tide you over until 2022 when Halo arrives.
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18/12/2020 10:46:18 0 1
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What does worthwhile mean in this context? Sounds like snobbery to me.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:29:40 203 6
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My approach to buying games is the same as my approach to buying consoles. Wait until they've been around for a while. Firstly they're cheaper, and secondly you know what to avoid.
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18/12/2020 10:41:02 110 4
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Not to mention that when you do eventually buy them, a lot of bugs and problems are usually fixed
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18/12/2020 10:42:57 5 2
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Yeah same, especially as with consoles, you know they will just release an upgraded version at some point.
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18/12/2020 12:14:13 7 30
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Jim sounds like someone who is justifying his sadness at not getting a next gen console on release date... ??
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18/12/2020 15:03:54 3 3
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Yep never buy a first revision console.
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18/12/2020 19:30:51 2 1
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I did the same with operating systems also. Never upgraded until a year or so after all the bugs had been ironed out.
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18/12/2020 21:08:15 1 1
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Thats all very well though if everyone did that then you would still buy games / consoles with issues. You turn your nose up at beta gamers but its them that make your life better
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18/12/2020 21:53:37 2 1
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You are so correct, I refuse to pay the release prices (I use STEAM), especially as PC games now seem to have that added £10 extra console game cost added recently. Wait even a month and you can get massive discounts and an improved game (or know to avoid it completely!).
I've gotten over having to be among the 1st to have a title, like Idiots queuing for the newest Iphone....
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18/12/2020 22:37:05 1 4
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Then you are not a real gamer, you are a casual and it is real gamers that lee the industry in business. If everyone bought the PS5 2 years after release they wouldn’t have made a PS5 lol.
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19/12/2020 09:02:31 0 0
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Does that approach also apply to women?
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18/12/2020 10:20:41 3 29
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In the current climate, this drivel is worthy of H.Y.S. Should be put on the back pages, or sent to the recycle bin
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18/12/2020 10:30:09 5 2
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A bit like your post but I guess you’d rather be arguing about Brexit or COVID?

There’s more going in the world than just two things and whilst it might not be important to you it might be important to others!
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18/12/2020 10:25:21 3 2
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Part of the problem is consumers having to accept products that are rushed as they generally have no comeback on game purchases.

Developers need to be held more to account by the platforms on some of the garbage that is released although Sony haven’t helped themselves by insisting that all PS5 games must be playable on PS4 given the vast differences in technology between the two consoles.
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18/12/2020 10:30:10 5 1
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Would be better to make sure all current PS4 games are playable on PS5. With HDR upscaling where possible.
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18/12/2020 10:37:19 2 1
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Agree completely. Any backwards compatibility should include all games from the previous gen.

To be fair to CDPR they are supposedly working on a PS5 version of The Witcher which will be free to those who own the game on PS4.
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18/12/2020 10:20:41 3 29
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In the current climate, this drivel is worthy of H.Y.S. Should be put on the back pages, or sent to the recycle bin
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18/12/2020 10:32:02 7 2
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Then you have no idea how much the gaming industry is worth to UK PLC. Its £2.2 Billion last year and employed around 20,000 people which only makes our digital skills economy stronger-especially important at the moment.
Fishing is 1.4 billion and employs 24,000 in fishing and processing and we know how much coverage thats getting getting
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18/12/2020 11:33:05 1 1
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Gaming is a UK success story. Like Formula 1. The Mercedes and Red Bull teams are nominally German and Austrian, but based in the UK.

Both are barely mentioned in this light. We specialise in high skilled environments.
Removed
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18/12/2020 10:36:24 20 1
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I'm 58 - thanks for referring to me as a young man
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18/12/2020 10:36:25 9 1
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And older men, and women. So sad that people with no interest in gaming decide to comment on it... Live and let be.
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18/12/2020 10:37:01 16 2
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Sexism, ageism and elitism all rolled into a single sentence. Impressive.
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18/12/2020 10:39:44 13 1
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Haven't you heard? Gamers do have lives... we have infinite lives!

Enjoy your Eastenders xmas special whilst we are all levelling up;)
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18/12/2020 10:41:29 7 1
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All entertainment is a waste of time, thats the point of it, hope you don't do anything other than eat, drink, sleep and breathe or you're wasting time.
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18/12/2020 10:37:06 3 1
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Much better than reading the news.

Think of them as movies where you control the character.
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18/12/2020 10:52:15 0 1
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I dare you to play any one of these games and say gaming is puerile: Journey, Flower, Limbo, Inside, Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, Zelda BOTW.

Just like films have their gems like Force Majeure and The Handmaiden among the Fast and Furious/Marvel super hero/Daniel Craig Bond drivel, video games also have their gems.
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18/12/2020 10:56:55 0 1
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heh, OK, I guess you limit yourself to watching the travelling hellsmouth in the village square on high feast days? (Every form of entertainment has been seen as unbecoming at some point). Nice to be thought of as young though!
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18/12/2020 11:07:45 1 1
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Puerile? Bit like commenting on an internet forum frankly.
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18/12/2020 10:28:00 7 7
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Give it a year and the game will be great with bug fixes and extra features.
No Mans Sky was not great on release, but updates and fixes made it great.

Plus in a year it will be a lot cheaper.

Anyway it is Horizon Forbidden West I am waiting for. If it is anywhere as near as good as Zero Dawn it could be THE game for PS5.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:33:06 2 1
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Red Dead 3
GTA VI
Horizon FW
TLOU 3
MGS 6

is what I want to see in the next few years. I have a feeling the last one on the list may not materialise...
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18/12/2020 10:39:16 4 3
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When (or if) any of those games arrive, the gameplay will pretty much be the same as the current ones, but with better looking grass, water and trees!! There needs to be some new original games...like Cyberpunk attempted to be
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18/12/2020 10:33:11 1 1
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Can't say I've noticed any serious problems on the Xbox one so far ...
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18/12/2020 10:33:35 43 4
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I think developers are taking the agile methodology a bit too far..
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18/12/2020 10:44:15 11 6
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Nothing to do with that. They chose to release the game with too high a level of bugs, which isn’t the fault of Agile.
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18/12/2020 22:32:11 1 1
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Nothing Agile about a big bang release after years of work. Minecraft is a far better example of Agile game development.
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18/12/2020 10:35:04 1 1
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Developers build hype for some AAA games to the point where players believe the game to be something that it never is. It's bad enough realising that half the game is not what you hoped it would be, but to be plagued with game breaking bugs is a real let down. I was lucky and got hold of a PS5 - the game is fine on that console. If Sony had got it's act together and actually made enough of those.!
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18/12/2020 10:35:45 1 2
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Oops sorry I meant I have had any serious problems on my Xbox One X (haven't tried it on the XBox One base console). To be really honest I think it's a great game and I'm enjoying it ... When so many games are huge disappointments and don't live up to a fraction of the hype I've found C77 to be a bit better than I had hoped for
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18/12/2020 10:35:48 38 2
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Anybody remember old consoles like Gamecube and ps2 where bugs were very minor and this sort of nonsense rarely, if ever, happened?
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18/12/2020 10:41:26 27 10
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I remember consoles like the Atari 2600 where half of the games never worked. There have and always will be bugs in games. Game marketing and hype have led to unrealistic expectations, to the point where CDPR were actually receiving death threats if they did not release the game on time.
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18/12/2020 10:46:35 7 1
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Yes, when you only had 32MB RAM so code was far simpler and quicker to test because of limited resources. A modern machine can have around 128GB RAM and game areas are huge in comparison. I was shocked at how simple the code was for some Spectrum and C64 games. I would expect that is not the case anymore with a modern game :)
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18/12/2020 10:52:43 19 1
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Anyone remember loading their games from cassette tape? Setting the volume just right, waiting 10 minutes, then getting FAILED!!!! AAARRRGGGGHHH!!!

Kids these days, eh? :-)
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18/12/2020 11:03:33 4 1
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Look at the size of the current gen games though. PS2 games were what 2.5GB and now we're seeing games like Call of Duty Modern Warfare with c.230GB of data and multiple other games over the 100GB mark.

You can only game test so much and will likely never find all of the issues "real" gamers will do.
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18/12/2020 11:22:25 1 1
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actually this king of nonsense isnt a new trend & has been going on since computer games have been sold. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial on Atari & Superman on the N64 are two obvious examples to give but there are many many many many more.
You also have to understand that most gamers now are very skilled & knowledable, we know how to exploit games & how to find bugs.
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18/12/2020 11:24:16 0 1
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These things happened, you just didn't hear about it as much. A particularly fun one involved a broken demo disc that completely wiped your memory card of all data: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-warns-of-major-glitch-in-holiday-2004-demo-disc/1100-6113984/
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18/12/2020 12:25:35 1 1
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I certainly do (I'm in mid 40's) but those games were smaller/simpler and were not part of a live service
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18/12/2020 12:55:44 1 1
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Jet Set Willie on the ZXSpectrum was impossible to finish, bugs aren’t a new thing.
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18/12/2020 18:03:58 0 1
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The bugs are very minor. Amazing experience.
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CJN
18/12/2020 10:35:57 6 4
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I am playing Cyberpunk on the PS5 and it feels like my experience is the intended experience for the base PS4. It's a great game and will ultimately become a classic, once all the issues are resolved. CDPR have form with this, just look at the Witcher.
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18/12/2020 10:52:23 2 1
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Yes this true, I have it and it's a shame it's now going to sit unplayed for a bit while they patch like crazy for the next couple of months, but it's not like I don't have other games to play while I wait. A lot of the games I buy wait to be played as it is!

This doesn't excuse CDPR though of course, especially the with holding and embargoing the PS4/Xbox footage prior to launch
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18/12/2020 10:36:24 20 1
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I'm 58 - thanks for referring to me as a young man
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18/12/2020 10:36:25 9 1
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And older men, and women. So sad that people with no interest in gaming decide to comment on it... Live and let be.
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18/12/2020 10:41:33 10 1
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I’m 67 and still love games
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18/12/2020 10:36:57 115 27
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The BBC must be gutted. They promoted this game like an Apple product.
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18/12/2020 10:38:23 27 14
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So true
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18/12/2020 11:11:08 5 1
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The BBC wouldn't have gone near the game but for the Canoe Reeves* influence

*anyone for the reference?
They promoted this game like it was child abuse? Removed
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Gab
18/12/2020 11:40:53 5 6
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Yeah, they must be so upset that they still bothered to post your comment. I'm surprised that you even bother to go on a bbc site to post.
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18/12/2020 17:03:11 0 1
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who didn't?!
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18/12/2020 18:56:25 3 1
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tbh, you can't really trust any reviewers nowadays unless you know them personally. Gaming news sites are just as bad.
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18/12/2020 19:37:31 3 3
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Yeah no one else was looking forward to this game and no one else had reviewed it will expectation. Just the one news organisation , no one else in the world at all.
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18/12/2020 21:32:40 0 3
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thought I was the only one that noticed
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18/12/2020 10:37:01 16 2
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Sexism, ageism and elitism all rolled into a single sentence. Impressive.
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18/12/2020 10:25:21 3 2
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Part of the problem is consumers having to accept products that are rushed as they generally have no comeback on game purchases.

Developers need to be held more to account by the platforms on some of the garbage that is released although Sony haven’t helped themselves by insisting that all PS5 games must be playable on PS4 given the vast differences in technology between the two consoles.
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18/12/2020 10:37:01 3 1
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As someone who works in the industry, whilst there are some developers with questionable approaches to releasing titles, many issues are a result of greedy publishers making unrealistic demands. Developers don't want bug-ridden games. Most take pride in their work but unfortunately if publishers demand the game yesterday, there's little developers can do other than their best in the time afforded.
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18/12/2020 10:37:16 26 3
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Never really played my PS4 until lockdown, got loads of cheap games and haven't had a bug or glitch. By the time I finished playing them all, Sony will probably have a Lite cheaper version of PS5 and games won't cost £60, because I'll be getting cheaper second hand ones..
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18/12/2020 15:59:42 1 9
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Erm they do. They have a disk-less PS5 that is quite alot cheaper than the full PS5, and it's exactly the same spec as the full-fat PS5 (unlike the string that Microsoft pulled with the Xbox S that's 1/3rd of the power of the PS5/Xbox X)
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18/12/2020 10:30:10 5 1
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Would be better to make sure all current PS4 games are playable on PS5. With HDR upscaling where possible.
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18/12/2020 10:37:19 2 1
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Agree completely. Any backwards compatibility should include all games from the previous gen.

To be fair to CDPR they are supposedly working on a PS5 version of The Witcher which will be free to those who own the game on PS4.
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18/12/2020 10:28:00 7 7
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Give it a year and the game will be great with bug fixes and extra features.
No Mans Sky was not great on release, but updates and fixes made it great.

Plus in a year it will be a lot cheaper.

Anyway it is Horizon Forbidden West I am waiting for. If it is anywhere as near as good as Zero Dawn it could be THE game for PS5.
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18/12/2020 10:38:18 2 1
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Why are you going to bat for a corporate entity that doesn't care for you and crunches it's employees in an unhealthy work enviroment? The devs have been in a 6 day week crunch for a year.

Theindustry is a cesspit of exploitative practices but here we are with a people that stake their very identity on the next big product the industry releases so much that they have to defend the indefensible.
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18/12/2020 11:05:13 0 1
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I am not going to rush out and buy it on release date. I paid £12 for Zero Dawn earlier this year. I have plenty of other games to play in the meantime.
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18/12/2020 10:36:57 115 27
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The BBC must be gutted. They promoted this game like an Apple product.
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18/12/2020 10:38:23 27 14
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So true
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18/12/2020 10:24:50 3 2
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Sony are still refusing to issue refunds through the PS store - how can they justify that when they themselves have pulled the game?
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18/12/2020 10:38:25 0 1
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Not surprising! They have always been stubborn about issuing refunds.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:33:06 2 1
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Red Dead 3
GTA VI
Horizon FW
TLOU 3
MGS 6

is what I want to see in the next few years. I have a feeling the last one on the list may not materialise...
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18/12/2020 10:39:16 4 3
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When (or if) any of those games arrive, the gameplay will pretty much be the same as the current ones, but with better looking grass, water and trees!! There needs to be some new original games...like Cyberpunk attempted to be
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18/12/2020 11:10:34 1 1
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Not really sure Cyberpunk offers up anything "original" at least not in gameplay or mechanics it doesn't offer anything new that you can't find in other games.
Yes the game looks different & has a new world/cast but again still not original as Cyberpunk has been done before(you could argue even better) in Anachronox & Deus Ex.
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18/12/2020 10:39:44 13 1
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Haven't you heard? Gamers do have lives... we have infinite lives!

Enjoy your Eastenders xmas special whilst we are all levelling up;)
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18/12/2020 10:39:46 9 11
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Great game so far on a PC, if I was running it on a PC from 2013 then I doubt I could say the same. (PS4 was 2013) - hardly surprising that a next gen game is going to be a bit cr@p on old tech. The company are dedicated to a quality game and will fix things unlike most other big game devs and they do care about it, you only have to play their Witcher series to see how polished this will end up.
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18/12/2020 10:47:50 6 1
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The game's been in development for 6+ years when the PS5 current high Spec PC wasn't known and wasn't what was being developed for. So they were developing this for Base PS4/Xbox. Now I'm guessing either A). they decided late in the dev cycle to chase PS5/High end 2020 PC's spec, or B). it was always going t be overambitious and a problem for PS4/Xbox and they've been struggling for a while
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18/12/2020 10:49:53 3 1
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So they should have bitten the bullet and released it when it was polished!

Not the half-@rsed attempt they sent out to ensure their profits rolled in!
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18/12/2020 11:04:13 2 1
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The problem is that this was first announced when PS4 was announced (2012) and the original release date was before PS5 was due to come out so it is obvious they where aiming to be playable on now gen machines
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18/12/2020 11:14:37 4 1
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Have to disagree with you - this was billed as a current gen PS4 game - even the PS store has this under PS4. At no time was it mentioned that it wouldnt run on current gen machines. When you say “The company are dedicated to a quality game” - the release has glitches, crashes, poor texture, terrible story i.e. the opposite of quality.
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18/12/2020 10:40:19 43 5
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Never, NEVER! Pre-order games!
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18/12/2020 10:41:51 4 14
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Nah. Never pre-ordered a game without previous experience with the dev or without doing your homework.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:29:40 203 6
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My approach to buying games is the same as my approach to buying consoles. Wait until they've been around for a while. Firstly they're cheaper, and secondly you know what to avoid.
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18/12/2020 10:41:02 110 4
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Not to mention that when you do eventually buy them, a lot of bugs and problems are usually fixed
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18/12/2020 11:17:58 11 2
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Spot on, Witcher 3 was released by CDprojekt red and was a glitchy mess at first. eventually they patched it into the masterpiece it is today, but I wouldn't have seen it as a masterpiece if I had bought it immediately. Thank god I waited
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18/12/2020 10:35:48 38 2
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Anybody remember old consoles like Gamecube and ps2 where bugs were very minor and this sort of nonsense rarely, if ever, happened?
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18/12/2020 10:41:26 27 10
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I remember consoles like the Atari 2600 where half of the games never worked. There have and always will be bugs in games. Game marketing and hype have led to unrealistic expectations, to the point where CDPR were actually receiving death threats if they did not release the game on time.
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18/12/2020 10:45:19 10 1
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"CDPR were actually receiving death threats if they did not release the game"

That is disgusting and I bet it's the same idiots now complaining about bugs and demanding refunds too.
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18/12/2020 19:12:05 0 1
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I had a 2600 and every single game I had worked perfectly.
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19/12/2020 14:00:28 0 0
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Blame the PC market and the internet, at the time when console games were cartridges, PC games were being released buggy because they could put a patch up on the internet, they still are released buggy and you have to go find the patch for the game unless it has an auto updater. At least with consoles now, they are connected to the internet and auto send any patch to you. Buggy games aren't new.
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18/12/2020 10:41:29 7 1
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All entertainment is a waste of time, thats the point of it, hope you don't do anything other than eat, drink, sleep and breathe or you're wasting time.
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18/12/2020 10:36:25 9 1
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And older men, and women. So sad that people with no interest in gaming decide to comment on it... Live and let be.
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18/12/2020 10:41:33 10 1
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I’m 67 and still love games
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18/12/2020 10:45:46 4 1
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Top man!
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18/12/2020 11:09:36 1 1
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Tell you something, I'm glad I was born when I was as kids today won't get to see the remarkable progress made. Compare Pitfall on the 2600 to Miles Morales. They both having a character swinging over stuff.
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jon
18/12/2020 10:21:48 30 2
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They knew exactly what they were doing. Awful behaviour.
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18/12/2020 11:42:50 12 7
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Blame gamers moaning about the game not being released. They where holding off,
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18/12/2020 10:19:13 91 12
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Cyberpunk 2077 is not the first nor the last game to be released and riddled with bugs and glitches.

It is a massive growing trend amongst developers to do this.

It's about time the industry stepped up and released games that work on day 0 without patching.

It's also about time gamers stopped lapping up every offering they are served like blind sycophants.
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18/12/2020 10:24:02 22 32
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cue googling what "sycophant" means haha
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18/12/2020 11:08:56 4 2
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sycophant /'s?k?fant/

noun
a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage.

Cue Googling "obsequiously"

Back to school for me
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18/12/2020 15:53:13 0 2
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Anyone with half a brain and a secondary school education wouldn't have too.

Dummy .
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18/12/2020 10:30:41 19 2
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Sony hold some responsibility for letting it get this far, but this is good move for the industry. CDPR played on their accumulated, and deserved, goodwill, and let people down - putting profits before gamers. This move tells CDPR and others that their profits can be at risk and pre-sales are not longer bankable ...

I got my refund request in, and will wait and hope :)
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18/12/2020 10:40:19 43 5
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Never, NEVER! Pre-order games!
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18/12/2020 10:41:51 4 14
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Nah. Never pre-ordered a game without previous experience with the dev or without doing your homework.
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18/12/2020 11:16:27 5 1
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This dev has been really good in the past, so your comment doesn't really hold them

As for doing your homework, you can't do much of that when the game hasn't been released.
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18/12/2020 10:58:54 1 4
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Never pre-order a game! Many games i have preordered have been absolutely fine or maybe had minor non game breaking bugs patched out quickly. This is the first game i have been preordered where I have had issues of this magnitude.
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18/12/2020 11:20:39 5 2
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There is nothing to be gained from pre-orders. You are buying a promise.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:29:40 203 6
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My approach to buying games is the same as my approach to buying consoles. Wait until they've been around for a while. Firstly they're cheaper, and secondly you know what to avoid.
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18/12/2020 10:42:57 5 2
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Yeah same, especially as with consoles, you know they will just release an upgraded version at some point.
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18/12/2020 11:19:50 4 1
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Exactly what I did with the PS4, waited nearly 2 years, got the version with all the creases ironed out, with the larger storage and for the same price.
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18/12/2020 12:38:15 0 1
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Yep, I wasn't too bothered about PS4 as had other consoles, got the PS4 Pro when it came out!
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:27:42 55 3
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I get that games makers are under pressure to recoup, but releasing games with serious flaws is actually a pretty good way to go out of business.

Ubisoft is another company that consistently releases buggy games. Their bugs are - just - tolerable, but they evidently aren't interested in actually fixing the problems.

Then look at Rockstar and Naughty Dog - they're in a different league.
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18/12/2020 10:43:40 29 1
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Ubisoft also usually massively downgrade their games for release. The E3 for watchdogs and Siege v release is the worst example of it.

But EA have to be the worst company for unfinished broken games. ME:A, BFV, FIFA, Anthem and that's just the recent ones.
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18/12/2020 11:23:22 1 6
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I've only played the Assassin's Creed games on PS4 from Ubisoft, and never had any issues.
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18/12/2020 18:59:23 1 1
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EA doesn't know how to help developers, unless the game being published is FIFA or Madden, where you do nothing but update the graphics and rasters each year. They just throw out studios and IP if the most recent game doesn't meet sales figures.
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18/12/2020 10:33:35 43 4
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I think developers are taking the agile methodology a bit too far..
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18/12/2020 10:44:15 11 6
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Nothing to do with that. They chose to release the game with too high a level of bugs, which isn’t the fault of Agile.
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18/12/2020 11:07:44 11 3
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It is if you have loads of consultants and managers (product, project, people) telling developers what agile means rather than letting them do the work - see the irony there ?
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18/12/2020 10:51:40 4 1
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Did the developers make that decision?
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18/12/2020 12:13:20 6 2
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That lack of functionality(i.e. to work properly) didn't count as an essential and was classified as "a nice to have" and left out of the artificial sprints chunks of work. Though to be fair not the developers who make the decisions, they just have to endure the numerous periodic agile meetings, time which could have been spent more productively.
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18/12/2020 10:24:50 3 2
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Sony are still refusing to issue refunds through the PS store - how can they justify that when they themselves have pulled the game?
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18/12/2020 10:34:08 1 1
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I just went through the PS refund bot and it has a short vut straight to a button to submit for refund. took me 20 seconds - really surprised but very easy. Did this this morning.
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Jim
18/12/2020 10:27:42 55 3
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I get that games makers are under pressure to recoup, but releasing games with serious flaws is actually a pretty good way to go out of business.

Ubisoft is another company that consistently releases buggy games. Their bugs are - just - tolerable, but they evidently aren't interested in actually fixing the problems.

Then look at Rockstar and Naughty Dog - they're in a different league.
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18/12/2020 10:44:26 6 1
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Naughty Dog, sure, although they have the luxury of being able to target a single system rather than going multi-platform. However, Rockstar's games are only like that if you play on a console. If you play on the PC, you can go rot as far as they're concerned; Grand Theft Auto IV was an obnoxiously bad port, Red Dead Redemption never even got released and RDR2 wasn't good on release for PC.
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18/12/2020 10:41:26 27 10
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I remember consoles like the Atari 2600 where half of the games never worked. There have and always will be bugs in games. Game marketing and hype have led to unrealistic expectations, to the point where CDPR were actually receiving death threats if they did not release the game on time.
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18/12/2020 10:45:19 10 1
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"CDPR were actually receiving death threats if they did not release the game"

That is disgusting and I bet it's the same idiots now complaining about bugs and demanding refunds too.
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18/12/2020 10:58:12 1 2
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I suspect for some of them are the same people. While I do think it's disgusting, I think that the way games are hyped up is equally disgusting. They work people into a fever that makes the game irrestible to them.
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18/12/2020 10:41:33 10 1
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I’m 67 and still love games
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18/12/2020 10:45:46 4 1
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Top man!
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18/12/2020 10:29:39 0 7
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It's also OK on PS5. I guess it's nice that Xbox X finally has a worthwhile game to play. Should tide you over until 2022 when Halo arrives.
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18/12/2020 10:46:18 0 1
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What does worthwhile mean in this context? Sounds like snobbery to me.
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18/12/2020 10:35:48 38 2
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Anybody remember old consoles like Gamecube and ps2 where bugs were very minor and this sort of nonsense rarely, if ever, happened?
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18/12/2020 10:46:35 7 1
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Yes, when you only had 32MB RAM so code was far simpler and quicker to test because of limited resources. A modern machine can have around 128GB RAM and game areas are huge in comparison. I was shocked at how simple the code was for some Spectrum and C64 games. I would expect that is not the case anymore with a modern game :)
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18/12/2020 10:59:31 3 2
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I used to write my own games on an Amstrad 464. Could write a good game in a couple of days.
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18/12/2020 11:06:32 3 1
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Remember games where 100 rooms was considered HUGE? The modern games are frankly enormous and players are actively trying to glitch games for speedrunning purposes. I'm not a fan of the modern FPS type game but watching what players do to them is fascinating.
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18/12/2020 12:47:19 1 2
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32MB, try 1k ZX81!

Oh that Fast Mode, you always knew you were about to die at the hands of some pixellated terror!
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18/12/2020 10:37:06 3 1
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Much better than reading the news.

Think of them as movies where you control the character.
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18/12/2020 10:39:02 1 1
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Haven't played it yet myself but from what I have read it runs reasonably well (with some glitches, few that are game-breaking) on next-gen PC hardware, and is passable on next-gen consoles.

My buddy playing on PC (current gen) is having a blast.

Wondering why on earth they didn't just delay the XBone and PS4 releases. Hard to explain and seems like bad faith, even given CDPR's good reputation.
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18/12/2020 10:51:25 2 1
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It's more than passable on PS5. It suffers from a memory leak after a certain amount of time. I beleive this is due to looted items and other things in the game not resetting. Other than that it's spot on.
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18/12/2020 11:07:56 0 1
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This good rep that the company has, that everyone seems to goes on about. I don't see?

YES the witches 3 was a phenomenal game (eventually). But for months, if not a couple of years? The game ran horribly, graphics, frame rates etc etc.

Cyberpunk will be a phenomenal game, eventually. But not for a year or two.

I'll just play the long waiting game. Wait 4 years till goty comes out
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18/12/2020 10:53:30 0 1
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Although playable on PS5 & Xbox Series X/S there's no actual nextgen SKU yet: these systems are just playing the lastgen code with added CPU/GPU power which comes with the new consoles.

If CDPR had delayed the PS4/PS4 Pro and Xbox One XBox One S and Xbox One X versions, there'd have been no code to play on PS5 or the new Xbox consoles.

I think their marketing deal with Xbox forced release, too.
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18/12/2020 10:39:56 14 1
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Reading the minutes from the board investor call the other day, it seems as though they followed the old addage of 'It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission'. Internal calls from the development team to delay for longer periods were ignored as the board wanted to cash out asap; and now they're dealing with a fiasco. At least the consequences aren't the same as for Boeing.
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18/12/2020 10:39:46 9 11
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Great game so far on a PC, if I was running it on a PC from 2013 then I doubt I could say the same. (PS4 was 2013) - hardly surprising that a next gen game is going to be a bit cr@p on old tech. The company are dedicated to a quality game and will fix things unlike most other big game devs and they do care about it, you only have to play their Witcher series to see how polished this will end up.
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18/12/2020 10:47:50 6 1
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The game's been in development for 6+ years when the PS5 current high Spec PC wasn't known and wasn't what was being developed for. So they were developing this for Base PS4/Xbox. Now I'm guessing either A). they decided late in the dev cycle to chase PS5/High end 2020 PC's spec, or B). it was always going t be overambitious and a problem for PS4/Xbox and they've been struggling for a while
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18/12/2020 10:28:00 7 7
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Give it a year and the game will be great with bug fixes and extra features.
No Mans Sky was not great on release, but updates and fixes made it great.

Plus in a year it will be a lot cheaper.

Anyway it is Horizon Forbidden West I am waiting for. If it is anywhere as near as good as Zero Dawn it could be THE game for PS5.
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18/12/2020 10:48:12 0 1
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Yes but that's the big problem isn't it? If you're going to sell something as a complete product then it NEEDS to be a complete functioning product.

Imagine buying a brand new car and being told you need to wait a year for it to run without breaking down every day. Would that be acceptable to you?
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18/12/2020 10:49:50 4 1
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Remember the early promos? 'Release date: When it's ready'. Guess not. What a bunch of lies.
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18/12/2020 10:39:46 9 11
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Great game so far on a PC, if I was running it on a PC from 2013 then I doubt I could say the same. (PS4 was 2013) - hardly surprising that a next gen game is going to be a bit cr@p on old tech. The company are dedicated to a quality game and will fix things unlike most other big game devs and they do care about it, you only have to play their Witcher series to see how polished this will end up.
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18/12/2020 10:49:53 3 1
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So they should have bitten the bullet and released it when it was polished!

Not the half-@rsed attempt they sent out to ensure their profits rolled in!
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18/12/2020 10:39:02 1 1
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Haven't played it yet myself but from what I have read it runs reasonably well (with some glitches, few that are game-breaking) on next-gen PC hardware, and is passable on next-gen consoles.

My buddy playing on PC (current gen) is having a blast.

Wondering why on earth they didn't just delay the XBone and PS4 releases. Hard to explain and seems like bad faith, even given CDPR's good reputation.
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18/12/2020 10:51:25 2 1
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It's more than passable on PS5. It suffers from a memory leak after a certain amount of time. I beleive this is due to looted items and other things in the game not resetting. Other than that it's spot on.
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18/12/2020 10:52:15 0 1
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I dare you to play any one of these games and say gaming is puerile: Journey, Flower, Limbo, Inside, Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, Zelda BOTW.

Just like films have their gems like Force Majeure and The Handmaiden among the Fast and Furious/Marvel super hero/Daniel Craig Bond drivel, video games also have their gems.
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CJN
18/12/2020 10:35:57 6 4
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I am playing Cyberpunk on the PS5 and it feels like my experience is the intended experience for the base PS4. It's a great game and will ultimately become a classic, once all the issues are resolved. CDPR have form with this, just look at the Witcher.
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18/12/2020 10:52:23 2 1
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Yes this true, I have it and it's a shame it's now going to sit unplayed for a bit while they patch like crazy for the next couple of months, but it's not like I don't have other games to play while I wait. A lot of the games I buy wait to be played as it is!

This doesn't excuse CDPR though of course, especially the with holding and embargoing the PS4/Xbox footage prior to launch
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18/12/2020 10:52:34 7 1
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Sounds like they ought to have spent some of that advertising budget on getting the game to actually work satisfactorily!
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18/12/2020 10:35:48 38 2
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Anybody remember old consoles like Gamecube and ps2 where bugs were very minor and this sort of nonsense rarely, if ever, happened?
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18/12/2020 10:52:43 19 1
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Anyone remember loading their games from cassette tape? Setting the volume just right, waiting 10 minutes, then getting FAILED!!!! AAARRRGGGGHHH!!!

Kids these days, eh? :-)
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18/12/2020 11:42:18 4 1
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Exactly, the old days wasn't the bug free gaming utopia it is made out to be!
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18/12/2020 12:47:59 0 1
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Yep!
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18/12/2020 10:52:53 14 1
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Its clear that CDPR wanted to get the game out in time for the lucrative xmas sales period no matter how buggy it was on the last gen consoles. Using game buyers a beta testers to fix the bugs after release is not the way software should be done. It not like they didn't have access to PS4 and Xbox ones to test it on before releasing it the consoles have been around for years.
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18/12/2020 11:44:49 1 16
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Its only bad on base consoles, XsX and PS5, as well as One X and Pro seem to be less affected suggesting this is more hardware than actual game issues in part. plus its gamers fault not CDPR
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18/12/2020 15:59:56 1 1
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I think deadlines to meet popular release dates cause releases to be rushed, IMO things (Not just games) should only be released when fit for purpose.
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18/12/2020 10:26:38 15 20
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Sony have insisted that any PS5 game must be playable on PS4. IMO that’s just going to hold back PS5 games.
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18/12/2020 10:52:59 7 2
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You have it backwards - that's the Xbox approach, not the Playstation one.

Sony want to push the next gen (for example Demon Souls is a PS5 launch exclusive only available on that console) and launching a new controller with new features. Microsoft are looking to push Gamepass and have an Xbox family that will all play the same games but with a higher fidelity on the new hardware.
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18/12/2020 11:29:04 1 2
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The xbox approach seems more reasonable as the improvements from gen to gen are becoming marginal and incredibly costly.
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18/12/2020 10:27:42 55 3
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I get that games makers are under pressure to recoup, but releasing games with serious flaws is actually a pretty good way to go out of business.

Ubisoft is another company that consistently releases buggy games. Their bugs are - just - tolerable, but they evidently aren't interested in actually fixing the problems.

Then look at Rockstar and Naughty Dog - they're in a different league.
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18/12/2020 10:54:26 4 4
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Rockstar are pathetic.

GTA V was the most hacked game ever! Literally thousands of accounts have been hacked, and then banned by Rockstar with nobody to contact about it.
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18/12/2020 10:55:55 105 3
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"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad"
Shigeru Miyamoto
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18/12/2020 19:41:57 18 2
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They delayed it several times before and were heavily criticised for it.

There's the essence of a really good game in there in this extremely ambitious glitchfest. Witcher III by the same label is considered one of the best games ever by many. Cyberpunk could have been as good, it just needed a bit longer in the oven.
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18/12/2020 19:58:44 1 1
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Nice quote. The man knows the score.
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18/12/2020 20:00:48 2 4
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There are limits to all bits of wisdom like this though. Delaying things didn't help Duke Nukem Forever!
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18/12/2020 23:30:58 0 1
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Miyamoto said that during the cartridge era, and whilst it's a cute quote, it's no longer true. Patches.
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19/12/2020 17:36:55 1 0
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9 years in development, so I guess not rushed....
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18/12/2020 10:56:55 0 1
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heh, OK, I guess you limit yourself to watching the travelling hellsmouth in the village square on high feast days? (Every form of entertainment has been seen as unbecoming at some point). Nice to be thought of as young though!
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18/12/2020 10:56:56 31 1
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In a few months this game will be discounted and running closer to what the developers promised. Launch day buyers pay a premium to become game testers of an unfinished product.
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18/12/2020 11:23:27 4 1
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I got burned pre-ordering DayZ through steam, and after months of inaction from the developer my refund request was denied because the game was technically 'released' (even though it was in beta).

I've not pre-ordered a game since.
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18/12/2020 10:56:56 7 1
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There are quite a few issues with the game. AI is very weak, pathfinding is poor, crowds and cars cannot navigate around a parked car. Police dont drive, foot chase only for a few seconds, police also spawn in right infront of your eyes. Limited combat AI. All traffic lights turn to green as soon as you approach, this causes AI to have a fit sometimes. Games 15 years older have better AI
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18/12/2020 10:59:53 2 1
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Add to this the graphical glitches, NPC with limited options (so many street vendors but none can be used outside a few scripted scenes). BD was a great idea but again only a couple of scripted scenes. RPG elements are mostly pointless - perks give you a couple of % at most - only a few are worth bothering with. Clearly rushed out of the door game. Im sure patches will fix but i'd wait.
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18/12/2020 11:06:07 0 1
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I rarely use a car or bike in the game. I'm still wandering around looking up at buildings. Building I can't go into I admit... but they look great!
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18/12/2020 10:57:59 3 1
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It's amazing that a game can be released like this nowadays when most games go through beta tests. Also, why not select a control group of people a few months before release to play the game and embargo them so that they can't talk about it? Then delay if things need fixing. The industry is badly in need of regulators to ensure fair treatment for consumers. Looking specifically at you EA!
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18/12/2020 10:45:19 10 1
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"CDPR were actually receiving death threats if they did not release the game"

That is disgusting and I bet it's the same idiots now complaining about bugs and demanding refunds too.
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18/12/2020 10:58:12 1 2
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I suspect for some of them are the same people. While I do think it's disgusting, I think that the way games are hyped up is equally disgusting. They work people into a fever that makes the game irrestible to them.
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18/12/2020 10:58:49 16 3
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I never understand why people are front of the queue when games of this size and magnitude are launched, they always have glitches. The days of testing before release are over, instead of doing comprehensive testing these games are now released as "Early Access" which means we cant be bothered to test this so you do it. Now you will see the price of this game be slashed due to the bad press.
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18/12/2020 11:04:32 10 1
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Same reason the vast majority of employees for these development studios can be worked 6 day 90 hour weeks, there is always some new young naive kid that wants to get their break in their "Dream job" that can replace those that got burnt out.
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18/12/2020 18:47:15 0 1
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To be fair, thr reviews wer glowing. There was no mention of the bigs or shallow depth or lack of AI. Only a week after are reviews such as rock paper shotgun giving the real picture.
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18/12/2020 10:46:35 7 1
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Yes, when you only had 32MB RAM so code was far simpler and quicker to test because of limited resources. A modern machine can have around 128GB RAM and game areas are huge in comparison. I was shocked at how simple the code was for some Spectrum and C64 games. I would expect that is not the case anymore with a modern game :)
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18/12/2020 10:59:31 3 2
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I used to write my own games on an Amstrad 464. Could write a good game in a couple of days.
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18/12/2020 10:56:56 7 1
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There are quite a few issues with the game. AI is very weak, pathfinding is poor, crowds and cars cannot navigate around a parked car. Police dont drive, foot chase only for a few seconds, police also spawn in right infront of your eyes. Limited combat AI. All traffic lights turn to green as soon as you approach, this causes AI to have a fit sometimes. Games 15 years older have better AI
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18/12/2020 10:59:53 2 1
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Add to this the graphical glitches, NPC with limited options (so many street vendors but none can be used outside a few scripted scenes). BD was a great idea but again only a couple of scripted scenes. RPG elements are mostly pointless - perks give you a couple of % at most - only a few are worth bothering with. Clearly rushed out of the door game. Im sure patches will fix but i'd wait.
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18/12/2020 13:33:03 0 1
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The AI is substandard but it's not GTA messing with civilians and running away from police, it's an RPG.
GTA doesn't bother with those type of game mechanics, you massively oversimplify the perks some are useful like double jump or high jump and let you gear towards stealthy/hacker type playstyles or melee/ranged options. It's not groundbreaking but that doesn't make it bad.
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18/12/2020 10:28:00 7 7
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Give it a year and the game will be great with bug fixes and extra features.
No Mans Sky was not great on release, but updates and fixes made it great.

Plus in a year it will be a lot cheaper.

Anyway it is Horizon Forbidden West I am waiting for. If it is anywhere as near as good as Zero Dawn it could be THE game for PS5.
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18/12/2020 11:00:45 0 1
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No Mans Sky...really! you were told lie after lie about No Mans Sky by one of the guys making it & a lot of things in the trailers before release just didnt exist in final build. Now you want you shower that game with praise!?

Heres an idea! stop supporting & giving praise to Devs/Companies who treat Staff/Customers like crap. Until you do you are part of the problem.
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18/12/2020 10:35:48 38 2
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Anybody remember old consoles like Gamecube and ps2 where bugs were very minor and this sort of nonsense rarely, if ever, happened?
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18/12/2020 11:03:33 4 1
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Look at the size of the current gen games though. PS2 games were what 2.5GB and now we're seeing games like Call of Duty Modern Warfare with c.230GB of data and multiple other games over the 100GB mark.

You can only game test so much and will likely never find all of the issues "real" gamers will do.
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18/12/2020 14:23:45 0 1
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To be fair, most of that size will be textures and lossless audio (saves processing power on consoles). I think sizes are big just because they can be now. No need to clean your code up with all that free space.
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18/12/2020 19:39:00 0 2
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...and years ago you had coders producing games in their bedrooms, all that has happened is you have even more people working on them for the PS5 so if everybody does their job there shouldn't be any change in quality.
B777 airliners are flown by one computer and aren't falling out of the sky every five minutes. The overall QC on games is dire, some rich gamer should test the water and sue.
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18/12/2020 10:39:46 9 11
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Great game so far on a PC, if I was running it on a PC from 2013 then I doubt I could say the same. (PS4 was 2013) - hardly surprising that a next gen game is going to be a bit cr@p on old tech. The company are dedicated to a quality game and will fix things unlike most other big game devs and they do care about it, you only have to play their Witcher series to see how polished this will end up.
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18/12/2020 11:04:13 2 1
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The problem is that this was first announced when PS4 was announced (2012) and the original release date was before PS5 was due to come out so it is obvious they where aiming to be playable on now gen machines
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18/12/2020 10:26:38 15 20
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Sony have insisted that any PS5 game must be playable on PS4. IMO that’s just going to hold back PS5 games.
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18/12/2020 11:04:26 5 1
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That can't be true, what about Astrobot's playroom for a start?
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18/12/2020 10:58:49 16 3
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I never understand why people are front of the queue when games of this size and magnitude are launched, they always have glitches. The days of testing before release are over, instead of doing comprehensive testing these games are now released as "Early Access" which means we cant be bothered to test this so you do it. Now you will see the price of this game be slashed due to the bad press.
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18/12/2020 11:04:32 10 1
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Same reason the vast majority of employees for these development studios can be worked 6 day 90 hour weeks, there is always some new young naive kid that wants to get their break in their "Dream job" that can replace those that got burnt out.
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18/12/2020 11:04:44 4 5
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Computer games are a leading reason why many young people fail in education. Think what would be possible if those many hours spent playing games were spent studying!
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18/12/2020 11:08:20 4 3
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Something you could say about literally anything.

Watch TV? Think what you could have learnt in that time

Fell in love? what a waste of time, go learn

Cooked a 3 course meal all afternoon? inefficient, you should have eaten a pot noodle and spent the rest of the time learning.

sat with your dying father? what a monster, you gave up time you could be educating yourself!
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18/12/2020 11:24:12 1 2
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Is that whilst the kids aren’t down the mine?
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18/12/2020 12:34:43 0 1
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Mary Whitehouse has spoken!
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18/12/2020 14:50:47 0 1
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Imagine if all the hours you spent whining about video games were instead spent doing charity work!
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18/12/2020 10:38:18 2 1
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Why are you going to bat for a corporate entity that doesn't care for you and crunches it's employees in an unhealthy work enviroment? The devs have been in a 6 day week crunch for a year.

Theindustry is a cesspit of exploitative practices but here we are with a people that stake their very identity on the next big product the industry releases so much that they have to defend the indefensible.
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18/12/2020 11:05:13 0 1
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I am not going to rush out and buy it on release date. I paid £12 for Zero Dawn earlier this year. I have plenty of other games to play in the meantime.
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18/12/2020 11:05:29 0 1
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The game itself if you look beyond the bugs is actually a great game but the bugs do take the fun factor away so hopefully they get it sorted! I for one won't get a refund but I will if nothing is changed.
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18/12/2020 10:24:50 3 2
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Sony are still refusing to issue refunds through the PS store - how can they justify that when they themselves have pulled the game?
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18/12/2020 11:05:48 1 1
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The first line of this article says otherwise...
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18/12/2020 14:21:24 0 1
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Probbly worth reading the rest of the article, then.

"That led to much confusion among players seeking refunds as directed by CD Projekt Red, who were refused such refunds by Sony."

refused such refunds by Sony

refused such refunds by Sony

refused refunds

refused by Sony

refused
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18/12/2020 10:56:56 7 1
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There are quite a few issues with the game. AI is very weak, pathfinding is poor, crowds and cars cannot navigate around a parked car. Police dont drive, foot chase only for a few seconds, police also spawn in right infront of your eyes. Limited combat AI. All traffic lights turn to green as soon as you approach, this causes AI to have a fit sometimes. Games 15 years older have better AI
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18/12/2020 11:06:07 0 1
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I rarely use a car or bike in the game. I'm still wandering around looking up at buildings. Building I can't go into I admit... but they look great!
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18/12/2020 10:46:35 7 1
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Yes, when you only had 32MB RAM so code was far simpler and quicker to test because of limited resources. A modern machine can have around 128GB RAM and game areas are huge in comparison. I was shocked at how simple the code was for some Spectrum and C64 games. I would expect that is not the case anymore with a modern game :)
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18/12/2020 11:06:32 3 1
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Remember games where 100 rooms was considered HUGE? The modern games are frankly enormous and players are actively trying to glitch games for speedrunning purposes. I'm not a fan of the modern FPS type game but watching what players do to them is fascinating.
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18/12/2020 11:06:45 1 1
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Ah I miss the days where the only real problem you had with a game was blowing dust out of the cartridge to get it running again
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18/12/2020 11:32:42 0 1
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I miss the days when you just changed the volume on the cassette player...
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18/12/2020 10:44:15 11 6
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Nothing to do with that. They chose to release the game with too high a level of bugs, which isn’t the fault of Agile.
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18/12/2020 11:07:44 11 3
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It is if you have loads of consultants and managers (product, project, people) telling developers what agile means rather than letting them do the work - see the irony there ?
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18/12/2020 12:52:57 5 3
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AGILE = the latest management buzzword: "get the work done tommorow, make it simple, and make it the minimum that will pass acceptance".

Hate it! Really killing the art of programming when things weren't micromanaged by tools!
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18/12/2020 11:07:45 1 1
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Puerile? Bit like commenting on an internet forum frankly.