'Just a few hours' left to agree Brexit trade deal, says Michel Barnier
18/12/2020 | news | politics | 13,556
Michel Barnier says it is now "the moment of truth", while Boris Johnson warns of "difficult" talks.
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18/12/2020 10:17:36 26 51
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‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!

"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris

Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
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18/12/2020 10:20:40 21 20
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"Remoaner" is such a juvenile term.
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18/12/2020 10:22:09 1 1
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What?
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18/12/2020 10:22:41 6 2
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And then one wonders why the country feels more divided than ever...
18/12/2020 14:41:30 1 3
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Turkey voting for Christmas again
18/12/2020 16:27:41 0 1
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To think you may be old enough to vote for noperead dope
18/12/2020 19:42:51 0 1
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Bozo will concede - he has nothing and nowhere to go!

You've been had!
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18/12/2020 10:17:51 151 145
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Brexiteers will never accept the truth. They will always blame someone else.
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18/12/2020 10:19:59 140 67
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That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!
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18/12/2020 10:20:12 9 13
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As long as we get what we voted for.
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18/12/2020 10:26:26 19 18
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Remainers seem to have a special talent for demonising and othering those that they disagree with; thoroughly rancid behaviour.
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18/12/2020 10:29:09 13 1
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Another brexit HYS where a infinitesimally small minority of the population, who have never meet shout the same things at one another, like they have done for over 4 years. lol
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18/12/2020 10:33:48 7 4
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Remainers will never accept the truth, they lost the vote twice. and still can't get over it
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18/12/2020 10:44:58 4 2
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What truth? The only truth here is that we have a bunch of traitors in opposition who do not want to accept a lawful referendum and have tried to derail negotiations at every turn. It’s no wonder it’s down the wire now. We were fighting this with both hands tied throughout the last 4 years
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18/12/2020 10:50:30 4 1
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Remainers will not accept the result of a democratic vote, even after four years.
AMc
18/12/2020 11:17:01 3 1
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The TRUTH as you put it is we wanted out 4.5 years ago.

The TRUTH is that it is Remoaners who have undermined the UK's negotiations, made Parliament the laughing stock of the world, have been spineless and subservient to a bunch of EU bureaucrats.

Well now you will reap your harvest of a total no deal as a result, exactly what you didn't want, but will blame everyone else for it.
18/12/2020 12:03:34 2 1
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The truth is what we make of our future, not listening to drivel like yours.
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18/12/2020 10:17:59 26 10
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'Huss' now and listen
Trade talks are very fishy
We've lost our Sole
Good Cod, man.
I'm a Dab hand at this
Johnson, Eel be sorry
& singing a different Tuna
We've Haddock our chips
Oyster by our own petard
Even Sturgeon doesn't want our navy
nor would Salmon(d)
Their cavalry won't Scallop into war
The EU are trying to out Mussel us
Like the Cray(fish) brothers might
I'll have to Prawn my posessions
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18/12/2020 10:18:52 19 3
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...and Winkle out a existence
It's like drinking a goblet of Poisson
Playing Sardines in holidays queues
Good deal? Snapper their hand off
here's the sick Squid I owe you too
Anyway I won't Carp any longer
Just try to keep Clam...
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18/12/2020 10:30:58 4 1
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What a miserable lot you 'hys' bunch are.
Off the scales.....
18/12/2020 12:45:23 3 1
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Eeeh! I love trawling through these comments.
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18/12/2020 10:18:18 14 18
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Please bbc, no more HYS on Brexit, it just creates animosity
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18/12/2020 10:22:05 11 12
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Maybe the Grexit lovers should have realised what they were doing, so stop blaming the BBC for the ERG, Farage at al and their lies.
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18/12/2020 10:18:26 22 52
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Walk away and stop letting the EU bully us ...
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18/12/2020 10:20:33 15 15
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Diddums, bless.
18/12/2020 23:19:52 0 0
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We're being bullied now are we? Thought we were a tough little country. Standing upto the enemy across the Channel. But if they're bullying poor old little Britain. Diddums. Maybe you should try some of that "lefty" growing up stuff.
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18/12/2020 10:18:30 660 149
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Decision time Boris. Who will you support ?

Your country or your party ?
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18/12/2020 10:22:32 152 173
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He will sort the majority he knows it makes sense
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18/12/2020 10:26:24 23 113
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Well I'd choose the country & go for no deal - every time.
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18/12/2020 10:29:10 55 6
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Yo have to ask? Tories are Party EVERY time!
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18/12/2020 10:31:56 21 91
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What sort of question is that? People that voted to leave have gotten far more from Johnson than May. It’s the people that don’t understand what a democratic vote is screaming hell from the rooftops
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18/12/2020 10:35:44 19 81
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He will support our country, our sovereignty. So if the EU cant understand this then it has to be a no deal. The same as I cant enforce what you do in your own home.
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18/12/2020 10:38:55 68 5
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Self comes before both of those
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18/12/2020 10:55:10 16 4
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Its a no brainer his party of course..... Now let me see Boris, there's a good ole English name just like Farage...
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18/12/2020 10:59:25 11 3
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His mates with dodgy contracts?
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18/12/2020 11:03:09 8 4
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Neither, himself is all this is about.
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AMc
18/12/2020 11:07:18 5 13
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My country, get us out NOW, stop wasting time with the Eurocrats.
We should have left 4 years ago.
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18/12/2020 11:09:34 1 6
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BOTH
18/12/2020 11:11:43 3 14
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Both want the same you Remoaner
18/12/2020 11:15:21 1 10
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He will do what the voters put him in power to do. Leave on WTO.
18/12/2020 11:16:41 0 7
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And what it the difference? - on the terms offers the decision for the country is clear - no deal and the Conservatives would agree with that.
18/12/2020 11:28:06 4 1
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He will support himself.
18/12/2020 11:32:16 1 6
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He's supporting the country pretty well in these negotiations. You aren't.
18/12/2020 11:47:05 3 1
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Boris - he support Boris and Boris means Boris. We'll get what he thinks will keep him PM longest so check the gravity in the party.
18/12/2020 11:42:29 1 3
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He supports the people and is doing what his voters said. Get sovereignty, stop freedom of movement.
18/12/2020 12:13:31 3 2
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Neither. He'll support the millionaires who put him in power to do a job for their investments.
18/12/2020 12:42:29 0 2
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Both. Top job.
18/12/2020 12:49:39 2 1
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Daft question: for tories party trumps all.
18/12/2020 12:51:07 0 1
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"L'Etat, C'est moi" (I am the state.) Said by king Louis 14th.
18/12/2020 12:51:54 2 1
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Well, we know the answer to that, don't we?
18/12/2020 12:53:45 1 1
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NEITHER
He'll support BoZo the lying clown, same as he always has
18/12/2020 12:58:43 0 2
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The country. He is honouring the result of the ref, which is what May should have done.
18/12/2020 13:03:26 1 1
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Spot on - I suspect he will support his party and the ERG unless he does a u-turn. And now Johnson might have another lockdown, another u turn then?
18/12/2020 13:05:43 1 1
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His own backside, no doubt.
18/12/2020 13:17:50 0 4
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Since the party was elected by the country on the basis of leave - with no deal if the EU forced it on us - then supporting one is automatically supporting both - isn't it?
18/12/2020 13:24:43 2 1
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He will support himself and his rich chums.
Us plebs? Forget it!
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18/12/2020 10:18:39 11 23
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Give it a rest Beeb, these continuous HYS on brexit trade talks are getting really tiresome.
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18/12/2020 10:23:34 14 3
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Why bother commenting then ?
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18/12/2020 10:28:46 3 2
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How many sock accounts do you have?
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18/12/2020 10:30:16 2 2
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It looks like you're in the denial phase!
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18/12/2020 10:17:59 26 10
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'Huss' now and listen
Trade talks are very fishy
We've lost our Sole
Good Cod, man.
I'm a Dab hand at this
Johnson, Eel be sorry
& singing a different Tuna
We've Haddock our chips
Oyster by our own petard
Even Sturgeon doesn't want our navy
nor would Salmon(d)
Their cavalry won't Scallop into war
The EU are trying to out Mussel us
Like the Cray(fish) brothers might
I'll have to Prawn my posessions
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18/12/2020 10:18:52 19 3
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...and Winkle out a existence
It's like drinking a goblet of Poisson
Playing Sardines in holidays queues
Good deal? Snapper their hand off
here's the sick Squid I owe you too
Anyway I won't Carp any longer
Just try to keep Clam...
18/12/2020 20:16:08 0 0
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You just sold your Sole to the Devil (fish)
VS
18/12/2020 21:55:41 1 0
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You have made my day..brilliant post
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18/12/2020 10:18:52 946 595
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We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible

Not going too well is it?
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18/12/2020 10:23:19 758 540
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Appalling mismanagement by this shambolic government.
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18/12/2020 10:25:00 55 112
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On the contrary, it's going very well thanks. We've left the EU, the transition period is ending and, so far, we have avoided a BRINO FTA. No FTA will guarantee no hidden traps, no stealth colony status.
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18/12/2020 10:30:25 44 49
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Same comment day in day out. Getting soooooo boooorrrring!
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18/12/2020 10:32:28 34 70
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All I want for Christmas is No Deal
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18/12/2020 10:33:34 82 37
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Contrast the civilised respectful style of Barnier with the offensive, blaming style of Johnson.
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18/12/2020 10:33:56 45 96
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Remainers are going to look the biggest fools ( as if they couldn’t look as idiotic as they do now) in history when Brexit Britain thrives post Brexit.

A Commonwealth bloc is being built right now. It will be huge with nations like UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand etc.

The future is CANZUK, Anglosphere and the Commonwealth and friends around the world.

Bye bye EU
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18/12/2020 10:34:27 26 31
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Which ports are being blockaded? I haven't seen that in the news, or have you just speculated what you think / hope will happen, or maybe just made that statement up?
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18/12/2020 10:34:40 16 36
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they are trying to punish us ... but for many millions it cant get any worse ... even the JAMS were at least recognised in 2016 ..... for them it can only get better and perhaps that is what Remain are afraid of .... 2008 Economic collapse burden sharing ?
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18/12/2020 10:35:43 56 13
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Australia Deal? I must be losing track of it all I thought we were going for the Narnia Deal!
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18/12/2020 10:36:55 15 29
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The French make ridiculous demands and you blame your Prime Minister. Strange.
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18/12/2020 10:39:09 6 17
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Yawn
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18/12/2020 10:39:20 11 24
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It's going fine No deal means we are finally free of the EU and all it's offices. I only fear a sellout at the last minute.
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18/12/2020 10:39:36 18 7
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Not to mention the wasted £bn getting here. Our gov out of their depth.
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18/12/2020 10:41:20 3 3
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It takes two to tango.
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Your comment is a rubbish heap of Remainer cliches and hackneyed phrases.. Removed
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18/12/2020 10:45:01 9 5
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Sadly it was never going too. The liars we call government are busy rewriting history to suit their narrative. Meanwhile the country collapses. Australia deal - they don't have one. Can it get any worse for us?
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18/12/2020 10:47:39 2 9
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AS for unicef they are playing politics,, never again will support them!
Your one of the "useful idiots" that get spoken about with your dumb comments about Unicef, where do you think they get the money from in the first place. Removed
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18/12/2020 10:19:19 11 19
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Please can the BBC stop posting this platform as the predictability of the comments is becoming tiresome
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18/12/2020 10:20:48 9 5
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You don’t have to read or comment on this platform
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18/12/2020 10:22:19 4 1
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Why do you come on them then. You do know it’s optional don’t you ?
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18/12/2020 10:24:06 4 1
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Oh the irony!!!
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18/12/2020 10:28:16 2 1
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You have to click to view the comments section so, if you find the comments to be tiresome, why did you view them?

What I suspect is that it the reality is dawning on you and you don't want your internal World view to be challenged. Am I right?
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18/12/2020 10:19:46 248 122
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Its time for this bomb to go off and allow us all to get on with the clear up operation...There will be no "winners" with this, its simply going to be a self inflicted wound that needs to heal with time...Sad days!
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18/12/2020 10:30:13 224 186
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It’s only self-inflicted if you voted for it.
18/12/2020 11:57:24 19 5
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The fact that this is a very apt description actually just shows how bloody stupid voting for brexit is/was
18/12/2020 12:28:44 13 2
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No winners but one side will be the lesser loser. It’s is not UK.
18/12/2020 12:42:35 0 12
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It's self inflickted if you don't stand behind it and shout all day from your soap box.
18/12/2020 12:45:27 0 12
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Brexit will lead to greater prosperity for our country. The EU is a cul-de-sac.
18/12/2020 13:11:44 1 5
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Don't waste your time being sad get on with it if it's bad make it better if it isn't as bad make it good
18/12/2020 17:24:29 1 0
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After the wound gangrene frequently sets in.
ET
18/12/2020 21:22:56 0 0
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“Grandad, why did your grandfather vote for Brexit? Why are we so poor compared to those Germans that work so hard?”

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to pass, I suspect maybe because many will once again leave for the US, Australia etc, just like they did for decades until recently.

If I was 21 again, and an engineering graduate I wouldn’t stay now, that’s for sure. Why would you?
19/12/2020 15:47:54 0 0
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Well depends on why you wanted to leave the EU.
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18/12/2020 10:19:50 150 132
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So the Tories are incapable of negotiating the easiest deal in human history.

Pee-up and brewery spring to mind.
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18/12/2020 10:25:56 87 102
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The electorate were warned. They were to busy screaming 'Antisemite' at the left to see it.
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18/12/2020 10:32:55 13 11
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Perhaps the EU are also incapable....n'est pas?
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18/12/2020 10:50:57 4 3
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Garbage springs to mind when I read your post.
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R1
18/12/2020 10:58:25 6 6
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Just think of the huge mess Labour would have generated. Look at how badly they fared in the Corbyn era. Would you wish that on the UK ?
AMc
18/12/2020 11:20:06 3 2
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Well neither are the EU.
And Remoaners were incapable of winning the Brexit vote, and despite making Parliament the laughing stock of the world were then incapable of winning the election, in fact it turned out to be a landside in the opposite direction.

Remoaners and their cause are the most incapable.
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18/12/2020 10:19:52 15 32
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The EU have no intention of agreeing a deal, it’s all about punishment for leaving.
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18/12/2020 10:25:16 8 2
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So, your saying 'No Deal' is a bad thing now? You can't have it both ways.
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18/12/2020 10:17:51 151 145
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Brexiteers will never accept the truth. They will always blame someone else.
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18/12/2020 10:19:59 140 67
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That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!
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bds
18/12/2020 10:24:01 20 16
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Not really, because we KNOW you were lied to, fed false hopes and ultimately CONNED. That is the truth that you will not admit.
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Bob
18/12/2020 10:28:00 23 15
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"That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!"

___

On the basis that they didn't vote for it, how can they be to blame for it?

I don't think you've thought this one through.
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18/12/2020 10:28:44 7 4
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Yeah, and what is your truth today?
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18/12/2020 10:49:04 0 4
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Counter arguing is moaning is it?
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18/12/2020 10:45:09 1 2
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Not when they opposed berxit from day 1 - of course not.
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18/12/2020 10:58:32 0 4
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No we've been blaming Brexiteers for every change and all the uncertainty. Since none of the change or uncertainty (or slower growth, or business relocations or weakening of our currency or loss of access to security data etc) would be happening if we hadn't voted leave, that seems valid?

Unless you're blaming remainers for leave winning the Brexit referendum in which case I doubt your sanity.
18/12/2020 11:21:39 0 4
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Well we didn't vote to leave and nor did the EU but you arrogantly expect them to dance to your tune. Naive, deluded and entitled all at the same time......
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18/12/2020 10:17:51 151 145
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Brexiteers will never accept the truth. They will always blame someone else.
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18/12/2020 10:20:12 9 13
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As long as we get what we voted for.
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18/12/2020 10:28:36 8 10
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What was that? An easy 'oven ready' free trade deal?
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18/12/2020 10:29:47 2 2
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Who is "we"?
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18/12/2020 10:32:00 2 6
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What's that exactly? There are 14m versions and none are better than the current deal.
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18/12/2020 10:45:20 1 4
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Didn't people vote to give the NHS 350m a week......it hasn't got that
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18/12/2020 10:18:26 22 52
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Walk away and stop letting the EU bully us ...
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18/12/2020 10:20:33 15 15
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Diddums, bless.
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18/12/2020 10:31:12 1 4
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On BBC news this morning.

The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...

… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.

How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
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Bob
18/12/2020 10:20:34 531 302
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Doesn't matter if you wanted Brexit or not

This is awful

4 years and it's come to this.

"oven ready deal"
Fishing rights stand in the way of a deal. Little Englanders have a romantic notion about the fishing industry - a similar rose tinted delusion to the whole Brexit idea, pining for a bygone era of British greatness that no longer exists.
Brits don't even like the fish that are found in UK waters.
What will we do with all that fish that we don't want, when UK fishing boats are banned from EU ports?
Removed
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18/12/2020 10:31:07 19 28
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Blame May and Hammo Hammond for wasting time.
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18/12/2020 10:34:50 36 38
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The EU were never going to let us go easily if at all, for that guarantees their own ultimate doom. Thank gawd we are finally getting out of the Protectionist Blackmailing Cartel.
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18/12/2020 10:35:59 27 48
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The 17.4M Liever voters who voted for this must either:
1. Feel pretty stupid, now that they see they were conned and lied to by Farage.
2. Be grasping at straws, drowning in their own dissonance, trying to defend their eroding position, trying to convince themselves and others that they were right, before they go to their graves.
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18/12/2020 10:39:44 15 5
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Smaller agreements have taken decades to iron out even if both sides were amicable and doing what’s best for all, but that really doesn’t apply here when some have continuously derailed negotiations for the last 4 years and now claim it was never going to work. It’s astonishing how certain political parties won’t accept the results of a referendum and still expect public support afterward.
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18/12/2020 10:48:01 5 6
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Yawn. I have read this phrase literally hundreds of times being used by Remainers, and all of them fail to understand that it referred to the Withdrawal Agreement, not the trade talks. Same with you.
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18/12/2020 11:04:45 2 4
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It was but the EU is refusing to switch the oven on.
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18/12/2020 11:08:12 3 4
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Yet another person perpetuating the deliberate misrepresentation of the "oven ready deal" phrase by suggesting it applied to anything other than the Withdrawal Agreement.
AMc
18/12/2020 11:12:44 3 8
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You lot love that slogan,
Boris said it should be 'Easy', it should be 'Oven Ready'

But 4.5 years of Remoaners undermining the UK's negotiation stance and outrageous demands from the EU has got us to this point

But, Remoaners will never own up to that.
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18/12/2020 10:20:36 22 19
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And I thought they (EU) held all the cards in this negotiation... Obviously not.
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18/12/2020 10:24:32 24 12
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Well they do... it's just the jingoistic Tories are delusional.
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18/12/2020 10:19:19 11 19
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Please can the BBC stop posting this platform as the predictability of the comments is becoming tiresome
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18/12/2020 10:20:48 9 5
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You don’t have to read or comment on this platform
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18/12/2020 10:20:50 7 4
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The same sticking points were there back in Feb. It will be no-deal. There is no time to look at the 1000+ pages before 31st Dec. No deal and Merry Christmas to everyone.
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18/12/2020 10:24:02 5 3
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Because it isn't going to be a happy New Year.
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18/12/2020 10:20:51 50 14
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Just a few hours to save Brexit!

Its like some wretched TV show and waiting to see who will win and who will lose.
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18/12/2020 10:23:33 111 104
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We will lose. Every one of us proles will lose.
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18/12/2020 10:29:24 8 6
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That’s why the media has a lot to answer for the state of our politics. They create this charade
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18/12/2020 10:31:22 12 4
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We all lose.
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18/12/2020 10:34:52 6 13
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"Just a few hours to save Brexit!"

Nope.

You have lost that already. You bitter remoaners -
Lost the Ref
Lost the A50 (it was passed by big majority in HoC, HoL)
Lost the GE (1)
Lost the EU vote
Lost the GE (2)
Lost the WA (it was done last year)
Lost leaving the EU (Jan 2020)
- Out of CAP, CU, ECJ, CFP, FoM

Lost the Trade Agreement
(No brino for you losers, see above leaving the EU)

You lose
18/12/2020 12:00:01 1 1
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Is that your final answer?
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Bob
18/12/2020 10:21:23 11 24
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Keep with it Boris don't give way to the EU dictate 100% Sovereignty
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18/12/2020 10:28:32 7 3
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Ignorance personified.
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18/12/2020 10:21:25 23 15
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Fishing 0.1% of our economy and we don't even eat the fish from our waters, mackerel and herring. It is all idealogical, about Our British Waters, what what. The Empire Loyalist mindset in the shires and their backwoods MPs
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18/12/2020 10:33:11 9 8
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It's odd then that you're so relaxed about the colonial mindset adopted by the EU...control of territorial waters. Perhaps your logic is a bit confused?

If it's so unimportant...why are they so insistent upon it?

It's "ideological" by the way but then...you're the intelligent part of the population ;-)
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18/12/2020 10:40:23 5 3
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No, it's about trading what we don't consume ourselves; a bit like the French selling the excess wine they don't consume. It's 0.1% because the industry has been decimated over the yrs, it would be more if we had a full quota. Coastal communities have suffered deprivation due to this. You may not care about folk 'in the shires' but they are human beings with their own valid concerns. Stop sneering
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18/12/2020 10:21:35 5 5
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It appears the EU understood this government cannot afford to walk away. So they're taking BoJo out of his misery and declaring 'no deal' on our behalf. Take back control!
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18/12/2020 10:21:44 15 26
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UK will do fantastic after Brexit.

The exciting news is that UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand are on their way to forming a huge Commonwealth trade bloc along with USA, Japan and other friends around the world.

UK has signed 59 trade deals and deals with India and US are on the way too.

What exciting time to be alive as Global Britain moves forward?
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18/12/2020 10:24:55 7 3
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Wow, I hope you're right, it's a shame that Robert Lighthizer (the current US trade negotiator) doesn't seem to know about any of this or he would have been trumpeting it as an achievement from the time of the Trump administration.

Perhaps you'd like to cite your source for this optimism?
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18/12/2020 10:56:56 2 1
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Atlas at the ready
Where are the EU countries?
Where are the countries you refer to?
'Just in Time'
Ring any bells?
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18/12/2020 10:21:45 187 62
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An important piece of legislation held up by a "few fish"
Anyone would think either side didn't actually want a deal.
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18/12/2020 10:43:23 202 197
bbc
I eagerly await a last-minute climbdown by Johnson, and a proclamation of victory.
662
18/12/2020 10:54:20 5 17
bbc
It is not a 'few fish,' but an issue of sovereignty.
741
18/12/2020 10:45:48 1 1
bbc
ERG don't £££££
18/12/2020 11:25:48 12 4
bbc
For the avoidance of doubt, this is a supremely important piece of legislation, and the EU is the side with the strong negotiating position. A last-minute climbdown is the UK's best achievable outcome.
18/12/2020 11:49:37 3 13
bbc
This is all about the EU survival.
18/12/2020 12:28:02 6 1
bbc
One side needs the deal. The other side is OK with it but not at any cost. Guess who it is.
18/12/2020 12:37:59 1 9
bbc
It is crazy economically, but there is a principle at stake here. Hopefully the French and Germany car manufacturers will force the EU to back-off.
18/12/2020 13:24:14 2 1
bbc
Who would have thought it ended up coming down to a load of pollocks.
18/12/2020 14:18:03 2 1
bbc
For some EU countries, particular France there is a lot to be gained from a no deal exit by the UK. If we leave the EU with no deal a lot of our financial services and industries are no longer going to be viable in the UK. So what are they going to do? Many will move to Europe, particularly France. Paris will take over from London as the financial capital of Europe.
Kim
18/12/2020 18:41:03 0 0
bbc
It’s a slippery deal!
18/12/2020 18:38:50 0 1
bbc
Clearly France and the EU don’t think this is about a few fish.
18/12/2020 20:01:15 1 0
bbc
The EU aren’t bothered, they don’t need a deal, bozza is desperate to cling on to something that he can say he was successful in negotiating, looks like he’s put everything on fish. Not surprising given close resemblance to the species
18/12/2020 21:10:17 0 1
bbc
Nothing to do with fish.All to do with control.
27
18/12/2020 10:21:48 54 13
bbc
No this is it honestly.
EU - 'bye'
UK - 'bye'
EU - you're still there aren't you?'
UK - 'yes'
EU - 'no deal then?'
UK - 'no deal'
EU - '?????'

Fill the rest in till 31/12/20 yourself.
All a bit pathetic now.
106
18/12/2020 10:27:04 46 17
bbc
EU- 'no don't go yet.....we might do it...just wait a bit longer...'
128
18/12/2020 10:28:18 7 2
bbc
It's all a bit pathetic really. Reasonable and responsible people could have sorted this out three years ago.
18/12/2020 11:28:43 1 1
bbc
....only until 31/12/20?? Think it will go on much longer....
18/12/2020 12:11:42 1 1
bbc
Humm who's going to pay the phone bill?
28
18/12/2020 10:21:57 1 9
bbc
Close the door on the way-out, Boris: BRINO and you've been played.
29
18/12/2020 10:21:58 7 11
bbc
The EU are like a bad dream
749
18/12/2020 10:58:24 4 2
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And we were a member in January of this year
Making the rules
Where did the bad dream come from?
30
18/12/2020 10:22:03 17 12
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Dear Brexiteers:

We cannot implement any of the restrictions for No Deal because this government has not done the correct preparation or employed the correct number of Border and Customs officials.

The UK is insisting on a deadline we have already acknowledged we cannot hit.

Now being specific (as in telling me exactly what I did to cause this lack of preparation) how is this remoaner's fault?
4
18/12/2020 10:18:18 14 18
bbc
Please bbc, no more HYS on Brexit, it just creates animosity
31
18/12/2020 10:22:05 11 12
bbc
Maybe the Grexit lovers should have realised what they were doing, so stop blaming the BBC for the ERG, Farage at al and their lies.
73
18/12/2020 10:24:36 1 2
bbc
You seem to have missed the point, I don't think it's the ERG and Farage who decide what to have an HYS on.
32
18/12/2020 10:17:57 0 3
bbc
Thank goodness for that...
33
18/12/2020 10:18:26 12 9
bbc
“Oven ready” ????????????
34
18/12/2020 10:18:56 10 18
bbc
i voted remain but seeing how the protectionist EU have treated the UK im glad we've left.
54
Bob
18/12/2020 10:23:31 5 4
bbc
bollx
35
18/12/2020 10:19:03 12 14
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Stay firm Boris!!
97
bds
18/12/2020 10:26:22 3 2
bbc
If you must, but please try and keep it inside your trousers.
36
18/12/2020 10:19:06 31 1
bbc
I feel like every day is "just a few hours left".
37
18/12/2020 10:22:08 10 14
bbc
Don’t worry, a deal will be signed at the “last”minute - they need us desperately and the French can’t do without our fishing waters

Love Europe

Hate the EU
119
18/12/2020 10:27:58 2 5
bbc
Down vote me all you want you Euro loving sycophants, but we’re leaving whether you like it or not

That’s called democracy
38
18/12/2020 10:20:01 11 16
bbc
No Deal Brexit will break the UK.

Don't even think about it, Johnson.
50
18/12/2020 10:23:16 3 1
bbc
You're in for a shock then.
79
18/12/2020 10:24:56 0 1
bbc
If it breaks the UK as far as Union then makes us weaker but will survive. If you mean Economically it will not.
Feel free to take your overdraft elsewhere then Jock! Removed
1
18/12/2020 10:17:36 26 51
bbc
‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!

"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris

Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
39
18/12/2020 10:20:40 21 20
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"Remoaner" is such a juvenile term.
85
18/12/2020 10:25:32 5 5
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What like QUITTER?
177
18/12/2020 10:30:57 8 9
bbc
I agree. 'Trumpster' is far more fitting for those who attempt to deny the results of legitimate votes.
1
18/12/2020 10:17:36 26 51
bbc
‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!

"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris

Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
40
18/12/2020 10:22:09 1 1
bbc
What?
10
18/12/2020 10:19:19 11 19
bbc
Please can the BBC stop posting this platform as the predictability of the comments is becoming tiresome
41
18/12/2020 10:22:19 4 1
bbc
Why do you come on them then. You do know it’s optional don’t you ?
42
18/12/2020 10:22:28 4 4
bbc
The negotiating tactic of appointing negotiators who do not themselves have the authority to agree a deal is about to backfire on both sides.
823
18/12/2020 11:01:39 1 1
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As of this week the EU 27 were emphasising that Barnier is in charge of the negotiation with a clear mandate
6
18/12/2020 10:18:30 660 149
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Decision time Boris. Who will you support ?

Your country or your party ?
43
18/12/2020 10:22:32 152 173
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He will sort the majority he knows it makes sense
490
18/12/2020 10:42:47 11 3
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LOL - it's the way you tell them !
514
18/12/2020 10:48:13 6 12
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Good, the 50 Million will be delighted if that happens.
857
18/12/2020 11:03:57 2 12
bbc
The majority voted out!
996
18/12/2020 11:11:25 13 3
bbc
You mean the majority who support a deal and the majority who are now opposed to Brexit. That majority?
18/12/2020 11:14:41 12 2
bbc
"He will sort the majority he knows it makes sense"

By far the vast majority of *Leave* voters would prefer to remain in the SM...

...as per exit polls on the day of the referendum and every poll of leave voters since!
18/12/2020 11:36:23 7 2
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The majority don’t even want Brexit anymore. Never mind a no deal Brexit. Here’s all the polls if you don’t believe it from your Brexit bubble.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
18/12/2020 12:05:41 2 2
bbc
You mean he will scrap brexit?
Makes sense for the majority
18/12/2020 13:05:30 1 1
bbc
what does that even mean?
18/12/2020 13:06:03 1 1
bbc
hahahahaha
18/12/2020 13:06:32 3 1
bbc
No. Boris will do what suites Boris. We just have to hope that coincides with the UKs interests.
44
18/12/2020 10:22:39 572 214
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Big moment for Johnson .....

No more hiding in fridges, no more lies, no more avoiding interviews.

This is all on you .......
He didn’t”hide” in a fridge

If you have to use that as your reference point then it shows that you have no argument and zero knowledge of the situation

Stick to reading the Mirror
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18/12/2020 10:49:21 5 13
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No more rubbish from you, hopefully.
643
R1
18/12/2020 10:53:37 2 6
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Big moment for everyone in the UK and the EU. Why be so narrow minded ?
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18/12/2020 10:54:17 7 50
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There have been no lies,,, the E/U lot were DICTATORS, STILL ARE,, Thats why we as a country got fed up!! had a referendum,, DECIDED TO LEAVE<< but the dictators in Europe will not listen?? possibly NOW OUR FUNDS PROBABLY WILL GO ELSE WHARE,, and THOUSANDS OF JOBS GO!! IN Germany/France and others,, they will learn from their past ARROGANCE??
959
18/12/2020 11:09:30 4 10
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Big time for democracy.
18/12/2020 11:14:39 15 4
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And may God help us all
18/12/2020 11:19:02 2 3
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Also hopefully no more leading questions of the "when did you stop beating your wife" type that are impossible to answer without self incrimination. The 10pm pub closing time was portrayed as stupid by the media because a few people would leave the pub at the same time but opening of theatres is deemed ok because they are "safe" ..... until 2000 people walk out together which is never mentioned.
18/12/2020 12:05:20 7 3
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The UK fishing industry is worth 0.1% to UK GDP. UK fishing industry feels that a no deal Brexit will destroy their industry as it relies on the EU market for the sale of the majority of their catch:

https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/18523742.letter-no-deal-brexit-will-destroy-fishing-industry/

Rights over the years have also been sold off, which no amount of jingoism can legally resolve.
18/12/2020 12:15:00 5 1
bbc
" Where's my ditch?"
18/12/2020 12:40:41 1 7
bbc
Believe me, that's not how the international community are viewing this! Whatever the outcome, the EU's handing of Brexit has been a PR disaster and severely damaged their standing in the world. Just because you wish for something to be true, it doesn't make it true.
18/12/2020 13:41:24 0 1
bbc
That's not true is it.
Camoron started this then ran and hid.
Maybot failed
Cordym the useless.. Failed
Johnson the covidiot.. Is beyond excuse but tory party and MPs selected him.

Ukpublic then left with hobsons choice of
Cordym and dementum
Or
BJ.
18/12/2020 14:48:52 1 1
bbc
Yes and a great job he is doing as well.
18/12/2020 18:30:32 0 0
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Boris hides In fridge, 5 second news, who lies ? do you, I've seen him interviewed, this post a non-event.
19/12/2020 10:16:37 0 0
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he is carrying out the wish of the majority- its his job the eu played theresa may like a fiddle -Boris i hope will prove to be not so week
45
18/12/2020 10:22:40 20 15
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Surely an extending the transition period is the only realistic outcome. Even if it's only for six months until we have broken the back of the pandemic.
135
18/12/2020 10:28:39 5 4
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The EU already proffered that idea, but was wholly rejected by Boris 'Get It Done' Johnson.
248
18/12/2020 10:35:13 2 3
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You could extend the transition for 10 years and the EU would spin it out, not talk for years and then ask for another extension at the last moment, and probably charge us for the privilege of having a trade deficit with them after having pillaged our fish.
577
18/12/2020 10:50:53 2 2
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Sadly, realistic and Brexit don't go together.
18/12/2020 17:09:57 0 0
bbc
If three and a half years haven't been enough, what difference will another 6 months make?
1
18/12/2020 10:17:36 26 51
bbc
‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!

"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris

Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
46
xx
18/12/2020 10:22:41 6 2
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And then one wonders why the country feels more divided than ever...
47
18/12/2020 10:22:55 98 44
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It appears the BBC is more interested in supporting its PRO EU bias, and creating animosity by having these comments repeated ad nauseam, and I am someone who voted to remain.
104
18/12/2020 10:26:51 31 125
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The BBC, aka the official mouthpiece of the Tory Party, have been pro Brexit throughout.
127
18/12/2020 10:28:17 25 4
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The BBC have done nothing but fulley suport the EU and is still at it never ever has it given a none neutral view or said one good thing about the brexit.
48
18/12/2020 10:22:56 27 22
bbc
With no deal imminent, can Brexiteers please explain why this is a good thing for all of us?

This is my Xmas gift to you, a chance to have your Bexiteer wish list at the top of the forum. Please, educate us.
162
18/12/2020 10:30:01 29 17
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No deal is a result of the EU failing to respect our sovereignty. It's not the outcome most people wanted but caving into French demands is worse as it would weaken our position in negotiating any other trade deals. You just need to accept that people voted for Brexit and stop greeting
338
18/12/2020 10:40:21 2 3
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I've lost track of the amount of posts explaining exactly what the benefits of Brexit can be, yet people keep on asking. You won't listen no matter how many times you're told, so why keep asking? Even a quick google search will give you a lot of info about potential benefits, you don't have to agree it's correct, but to say the points don't even exist is just being wilfully blind/deaf.
18/12/2020 12:08:28 0 1
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Your present will be tier 3.
18/12/2020 19:42:11 0 0
bbc
Our elected politicians are now fully responsible for the direction the U.K. takes and if you don’t like it you can vote them out and vote in someone who’s direction you like. Unlike the Eu who shoehorn in people like the whole kinnock family and you have no say. As for Von de lioness, she was the only candidate for president , strange that.
49
18/12/2020 10:23:04 3 1
bbc
This not how any negotiation should go. Anyone who think it is probably needs counselling.
38
18/12/2020 10:20:01 11 16
bbc
No Deal Brexit will break the UK.

Don't even think about it, Johnson.
50
18/12/2020 10:23:16 3 1
bbc
You're in for a shock then.
51
18/12/2020 10:23:16 12 10
bbc
EU seeking to exempt critical industries from state aid rules yet seeking to deny the UK the same
Run by Germany & France for Germany & France the UK has always been just making up the numbers
No deal the best deal
149
18/12/2020 10:29:04 6 3
bbc
On BBC news this morning.

The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...

… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.

How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
221
18/12/2020 10:33:47 0 1
bbc
I can understand wanting to maintain standards but why not just say "anything the EU imports must meet our standards"
What you do elsewhere you can sort out between yourselves.
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18/12/2020 10:18:52 946 595
bbc
We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible

Not going too well is it?
52
18/12/2020 10:23:19 758 540
bbc
Appalling mismanagement by this shambolic government.
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jj
18/12/2020 10:40:29 4 10
bbc
And you could have done so much better could you not?
435
18/12/2020 10:44:58 3 7
bbc
Yep, we should have elected Corbyn, and then we would have had a truly brilliant government. Their performance would have been so much more decisive, wouldn't it?
53
18/12/2020 10:23:30 14 13
bbc
Transition extension is the only sane option at this stage.... shame our government are insane.
95
18/12/2020 10:26:14 9 5
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And why do you think more time will make any difference. The reason there is no deal is because of the EU’s ludicrous demands, dragging things out will not change their position. We cannot accept what is on the table and no deal is the only option, so the sooner we get on and build a post Brexit Britain the better.
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18/12/2020 10:29:47 1 3
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No Deal is our best option. We won't be rebuilding our economy in a way that's best for the people of the UK post Covid-19 if we are tied to EU rules. Yet the EU will continue to allow France / Germany to break EU rues and unfairly give their farmers and industry an advantage over the rest.
34
18/12/2020 10:18:56 10 18
bbc
i voted remain but seeing how the protectionist EU have treated the UK im glad we've left.
54
Bob
18/12/2020 10:23:31 5 4
bbc
bollx
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18/12/2020 10:29:45 1 1
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On BBC news this morning.

The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...

… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.

How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
Mon Dieu Michel, you are zee biggest tease in 'istory!!

No, I won't......oh just stay a bit longer and maybe I will.....no its impossible.....oh don't go....maybe in a few hours....
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18/12/2020 10:36:02 0 1
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I think I know her
21
18/12/2020 10:20:51 50 14
bbc
Just a few hours to save Brexit!

Its like some wretched TV show and waiting to see who will win and who will lose.
56
18/12/2020 10:23:33 111 104
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We will lose. Every one of us proles will lose.
704
18/12/2020 10:56:26 3 8
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Remainer gloom.
18/12/2020 11:56:49 5 1
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even if there was a last minute "Road to Damascus" last minute conversion by HMG they have already caused so much damage that it will take decades to recover.

What was it calculated by chief cultist JRM? 50 Years. I will be dead by then and my kids pensioners
18/12/2020 14:25:22 0 2
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Not true , those in the NE that have been ignored for decades by both main parties have nothing . Virtually no investment since the 80s , even the amount spent on kids in school was far lower than London . The referendum was a call for change , any change could only be for the better . Got less than £100 in life savings , nothing to lose .
xlr
18/12/2020 20:13:00 0 0
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If we do, Jacob Reese-Mogg will find our poverty offensive.
7
18/12/2020 10:18:39 11 23
bbc
Give it a rest Beeb, these continuous HYS on brexit trade talks are getting really tiresome.
57
18/12/2020 10:23:34 14 3
bbc
Why bother commenting then ?
58
18/12/2020 10:23:39 1988 549
bbc
It does seem a bit absurd that the EU expect unfettered access to another countries territorial waters. No other country allows this. If you want the fish from our waters, buy them from our catch. A bit like when we want wine from France - we buy it rather than driving over to France and helping ourselves to the vineyards crop. It works both ways.
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18/12/2020 10:27:17 399 1308
bbc
Water moves as do fish!
How do you propose to keep the waters and fish static?
146
18/12/2020 10:29:01 89 12
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Even if you ignore the fish issue, the others will never be solved " in a few hours" if it cant be done in a few years.
234
18/12/2020 10:34:25 216 136
bbc
Not totally correct, the EU want access to our fishing waters in exchange for a free trade deal with no tariffs. You seem to indicate that this is unacceptable.
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18/12/2020 10:45:30 243 256
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Or if you take a more balanced view, it seems a bit absurd that the UK expect unfettered access to the EU single market, without offering anything in return. Fishing is part of the negotiation, just like it was when we gave the fishing rights away in the first place, and got a lot back in return.
462
18/12/2020 10:46:18 178 141
bbc
The tories sold something like 30% of the quote previously. This fishing argument is nonsense.
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18/12/2020 10:46:45 282 88
bbc
Totally agree and what I cant figure is that the EU would rather have 0% of something than a smaller % of something... but then the EU has form when it comes to political vision - if the EU had given Cameron something on immigration we would not be discussing leaving the EU
482
18/12/2020 10:47:11 147 57
bbc
Its called a trade negotiation. For success it needs give and take. Single market access is a major give by the EU. We should know, it was our idea...
491
18/12/2020 10:43:13 29 60
bbc
0.12% - joker.
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18/12/2020 10:52:38 65 38
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We also fish in French waters, our fishing industry have said no deal will be catastrophic for the industry and to put it in context London in tier 3 for 2weeks will cost the economy 150% more than a years fishing. That's forgetting we were involved in setting up the EU fishing policy, Farage didn't turn up for the meetings, and our fishing industry sold the fishing rights to make a quick profit.
628
18/12/2020 10:52:56 56 32
bbc
It seems a ' bit absurd' that half the English and Welsh quota has been sold to EU fishing boats. We are ageuing over a quota which we don't even utilise now !
652
18/12/2020 10:54:00 7 8
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As far as trade is concerned buy it from EU and vice versa, you have absolute no knowledge of a trade deal
734
18/12/2020 10:57:52 15 3
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EU already buys about 70% of UK catch.

We then buy what we want from Iceland (the country) & Norway

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-norway-and-iceland-signtrade-continuity-agreement
769
18/12/2020 10:59:20 9 10
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It's called a trade deal... Keep up...
803
18/12/2020 11:00:57 19 15
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They already have access, they want continuity like we do with access to the world's largest trading block.
861
18/12/2020 11:04:14 4 7
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Simples, eh?
P.S. You've forgotten the decimal point in your title.
986
18/12/2020 11:10:51 4 5
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That's what already happens, since we don't have markets for most of the fish we catch.
What we do eat, comes from Scandinavian waters.
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Soo
18/12/2020 11:11:08 4 3
bbc
It begs the question did the fish vote for or against Brexit? Con or labour?
18/12/2020 11:13:00 11 9
bbc
And what are your thoughts about the millions of pounds EU fishermen paid to British fishermen for their quota’s?
18/12/2020 11:14:56 3 14
bbc
It could be to do with the fact that there are no clear/consice territorial waters with france, simply because the channel isn't wide enough to allow space for seperate territorial waters.
59
18/12/2020 10:23:42 11 16
bbc
The EU have tried to help the UK. As usual an arrogant TORY government knows best (throughout history this has been the case) and fails the majority of the population.
Was ever thus and shows no sign of ever changing.
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18/12/2020 10:26:46 6 1
bbc
Tried to help us after making ridiculous demands no country could ever accept?
117
18/12/2020 10:27:53 1 1
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Maybe you should try and see what both sides want before making judgement on the UK
60
18/12/2020 10:23:46 19 18
bbc
The EU doesn’t want a level playing field it wants the North face of the Eiger!
It wants 750 Billion Euros not to count as state aid the money is filtered through the EU.
There is a term for this, it’s money laundering.
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18/12/2020 10:26:02 6 5
bbc
Why do you think Junkers got the top job after making Luxembourg one of the biggest money laundering states in the world?
61
18/12/2020 10:23:48 13 9
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The illusion is finally fading.

Within hours the world will know if Britain has a worse deal than it had already, or no deal at all.

To those who will still deny reality to save face - Merry Christmas, and get stuffed.
180
18/12/2020 10:31:06 0 2
bbc
And the same to you. Enjoy.
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18/12/2020 10:23:59 14 15
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The EU is contemptible. When the uk gave up or was kicked out of its imperialism, we didn’t ask to be able to continue the plunder the natural resources of the places we left. If we did and i’m not aware of it, i apologise because that’s contemptible too. But here it is laid bare that is the EU’s agenda, to plunder resource.
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18/12/2020 10:26:09 4 1
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No we complete did do that by implementing puppet administrations and ensuring that companies like Rio Tinto Zinc, BP and others had in perpetuity land and mineral rights.
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RM
18/12/2020 10:29:03 0 2
bbc
Nonsense!
EU and BE are very different indeed.
641
18/12/2020 10:53:28 2 1
bbc
Perhaps not overtly, but in common with other ex-imperialists, the UK continued to manipulate ex-colonies in support of its own interests, for example, its oil interests.
934
18/12/2020 11:07:54 2 1
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Perhaps need to broaden your library of history books
14
18/12/2020 10:19:59 140 67
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That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!
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bds
18/12/2020 10:24:01 20 16
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Not really, because we KNOW you were lied to, fed false hopes and ultimately CONNED. That is the truth that you will not admit.
101
18/12/2020 10:26:33 8 11
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Or too ignorant, lazy or arrogant to think about the ramifications.
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18/12/2020 10:30:24 11 3
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That statement can be made both ways bds. Maybe folk who voted leave simply felt the best way forward was different to your opinion of what is the best way forward. Holding a different viewpoint does not mean someone must have been lied to. Your view that you must be right and others cannot hold a different view is a little arrogant, and just a bit fascist too
582
18/12/2020 10:51:07 3 1
bbc
PMSL.......Lied to in the fact that we knew the EU would play hardball & try to punish the UK to deter others from leaving the protection racket EU!
64
18/12/2020 10:24:02 542 24
bbc
"Just a few more hours" before a new deadline is put in place, and another 2 weeks of getting nowhere begins all over again.
765
18/12/2020 10:59:08 446 404
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....easiest deal in history. Oven-ready.....repeat to obscurity.
786
18/12/2020 11:00:05 22 36
bbc
Classic EU behaviour. They grind down democracy, because they don't respect it.
863
18/12/2020 11:04:18 33 29
bbc
17.4 million Lievers must now be either:
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.
18/12/2020 11:44:51 15 20
bbc
Oh, please no. Let's get out now, deal or no deal.
18/12/2020 12:37:20 6 2
bbc
Get ready for another extension. Was it a 10 or 20 year extension to the transition period the EU were asking for at one point?
18/12/2020 13:45:00 4 3
bbc
I understand the EU position, UK companies want access to EU areas and expect reciprocal agreements, but when its fishing those reciprocal agreements are denied by the UK

The negotiations will not get anywhere until the UK move position, and lets be clear here, conservative party's future is at stake here, no deal and the people of the UK will never forgive or forget who started - finished Brexit
18/12/2020 14:37:50 0 1
bbc
I'm afraid you're right. Apparently individual EU countries are talking of bypassing Barnier to keep talks going on and on.
18/12/2020 14:51:02 0 0
bbc
They have until the 23rd Dec that's the final point the EU can vote on this. All the politicians know this, they're playing up for the cameras and their home teams.
18/12/2020 22:58:35 1 0
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You know why? Because the best deal was the one was had, the one where we were a paid up, voting member in the EU.. that's why they can't find a deal, we want all the benefits but give noting up to get the. It's insane. Bit not as insane as people in denial they they haven't been taken for a ride by the brexit party and Tories with endless lies
19/12/2020 02:05:06 0 0
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After 31st December UK stops the regular membership payments to the EU, I think deadlines will be pointless, if anyone wants a deal it will be continuing negotiations till they get a deal. The demands and competition of the business world will probably lead to deal in the end.
19/12/2020 16:36:51 0 0
bbc
You jumped the gun. Should wait for Andrew Marrs Sunday.... for another Borris's crony to announce it.
20
18/12/2020 10:20:50 7 4
bbc
The same sticking points were there back in Feb. It will be no-deal. There is no time to look at the 1000+ pages before 31st Dec. No deal and Merry Christmas to everyone.
65
18/12/2020 10:24:02 5 3
bbc
Because it isn't going to be a happy New Year.
66
18/12/2020 10:24:05 5 5
bbc
Are you sure now BBC?

Because every few days we are told x is a crucial deadline; the absolute the last opportunity to do a deal. Until you report the next one.
10
18/12/2020 10:19:19 11 19
bbc
Please can the BBC stop posting this platform as the predictability of the comments is becoming tiresome
67
18/12/2020 10:24:06 4 1
bbc
Oh the irony!!!
68
18/12/2020 10:24:12 14 14
bbc
The EU want trade dominance not a fair trade deal.
108
18/12/2020 10:27:09 7 4
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Do they? Or are they just really good at protecting the interests of the trade bloc we just walked out of?
69
18/12/2020 10:24:21 240 139
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Ooh the benefits! Can't you just taste 'em?
The lorry drivers in today's 20 mile queue into Dover must be jigging up and down in anticipation now the party's getting started.
336
18/12/2020 10:40:09 178 17
bbc
Jigging up & down trying to find a loo.
492
18/12/2020 10:44:08 2 2
bbc
No - they're jigging up & down 'cos they need the loo ;)
710
18/12/2020 10:56:40 5 17
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Yawn.
817
18/12/2020 11:01:27 23 10
bbc
Ain't the new future Grand! Queues and congestion, air pollution, lorry parks on fields, food and meds shortages...I'm so glad some of you voted for this.
18/12/2020 11:55:40 7 8
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They are already queueing up and the ports are blocked so there won't be much change there.
And if it is the case they will trade elsewhere.
Freeports then they will bring the goods here, we have been there before it worked then it will work now.
18/12/2020 12:50:34 9 10
bbc
The queues at the ports are due to the effects of Covid-19 around the world. Every country has these problems at present, even your's.
18/12/2020 14:16:43 4 4
bbc
Assuming you were telling the truth , how long is the queue to get into Calais on the French side ? How long till NE France is gridlocked ?
18/12/2020 14:44:55 4 6
bbc
As usual, a numpty stating the (unknown) obvious...... but ommiting the real factual reasons...... let's all despair.
18/12/2020 15:32:35 0 1
bbc
That's why everyone should carry an empty bottle!
18/12/2020 18:06:29 1 0
bbc
No Queue in France then.Do you think we are going to pay for rotten held in France on its way here.
18/12/2020 18:41:05 1 2
bbc
The lorry drivers are mainly European who have dropped product off in the UK. It is the EU that will suffer most if France blockade the UK a la Napoleon.
18/12/2020 21:52:57 1 2
bbc
just the EU being petty at the ports,,very childish
19/12/2020 15:21:19 0 0
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bit racist, what about the Lorry drivers in the Calais queue? You do know why the queue don't you? 50% more traffic through Calais than usual - so a Brexit bonus in these covid lock-down times. ;-)
19/12/2020 16:45:12 0 0
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They get more time to enjoy sovereign nation and the freedom to wait in a trffic jam for 8+hours before boarding.
hoo
19/12/2020 17:51:51 1 0
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BY all accounts, more EU citizens drive those HGVs than UK citizens, so Ha! Ha! Ha!
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GH
18/12/2020 10:24:25 12 13
bbc
Walk away now on WTO

It’s not perfect but it does establish a clean break...... for good or bad.

It’s ip to us as a country to pull together and make something of this mess.
89
18/12/2020 10:25:56 2 5
bbc
Ignorance personified.
210
18/12/2020 10:33:18 0 2
bbc
It's the opposite of perfect, it's a situation where prices will increase and the poorer in this country will struggle to cope. Why trade on WTO? it's not good for either side.
18
18/12/2020 10:20:36 22 19
bbc
And I thought they (EU) held all the cards in this negotiation... Obviously not.
71
18/12/2020 10:24:32 24 12
bbc
Well they do... it's just the jingoistic Tories are delusional.
72
18/12/2020 10:24:34 13 10
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Brexit is all about keeping UK politicians in a job.

All the benefits of being a member of the largest single market in the world are being lost.
31
18/12/2020 10:22:05 11 12
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Maybe the Grexit lovers should have realised what they were doing, so stop blaming the BBC for the ERG, Farage at al and their lies.
73
18/12/2020 10:24:36 1 2
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You seem to have missed the point, I don't think it's the ERG and Farage who decide what to have an HYS on.
Johnson will go down in history as the man the UK public were stupid enough to be anywhere near No.10. Our version of Trump, just as big a liar, just as incompetent and just as corrupt. Removed
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18/12/2020 10:31:56 0 1
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That's a valid point of view, but I would ask the question - if BoJo really is half as inept/bad/corrupt as people like to claim, then how bad must the opposition have been for his party to have been voted into government?

Or are you of the view that the voters are too stupid to realise who they should have been voting for?
75
18/12/2020 10:24:50 46 7
bbc
yawn, either agree something or just shut up about it.
18/12/2020 11:23:52 20 79
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The USA economic model is not a bad one to follow from an economic success point of view. If the states of the USA were sovereign nations, they would make up the majority of countries in the G20.
UK will resemble an isolationist economy in a few years time, like say, North Korea, whilst EU on the other hand will continue to thrive.
76
18/12/2020 10:24:50 11 9
bbc
Why not say nothing, then inform us when something has happened as its the same regurgitated nonsense every day with the NEW European Broadcasting Corporation EBC
77
18/12/2020 10:24:53 325 52
bbc
Another brexit HYS where a infinitesimally small minority of the population, who have never meet shout the same things at one another, like they have done for over 4 years. lol
663
18/12/2020 10:54:28 161 88
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Looking down on freedom of speech is not a very attractive quality.
687
18/12/2020 10:55:41 7 4
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Imagine what a dump the UK would be if all the people were like that...
740
18/12/2020 10:58:17 8 1
bbc
It's great fun

Going to be funnier next year and the year after
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R1
18/12/2020 10:59:20 4 1
bbc
Thank you for your continuing interest.
Soo
18/12/2020 11:16:08 3 1
bbc
Is that your reason for posting here?
18/12/2020 13:01:26 2 2
bbc
Well it remains something that significantly demands shouting about! Those who care, cannot just shrug, and walk away. It should not be happening! And, because this ludicrous, laughable government persists in driving us into Brexit oblivion, we have to address what we are going to do about it!
18/12/2020 13:07:42 2 3
bbc
Can you write this in English please?
18/12/2020 17:38:04 0 1
bbc
100% correct
18/12/2020 18:53:21 0 0
bbc
Well people need to get more involved in local politics - I know it's distasteful but it's the only way that the deceitful don't get to become MPs.
19/12/2020 14:52:06 0 0
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You clearly keep coming back to read it.
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18/12/2020 10:21:44 15 26
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UK will do fantastic after Brexit.

The exciting news is that UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand are on their way to forming a huge Commonwealth trade bloc along with USA, Japan and other friends around the world.

UK has signed 59 trade deals and deals with India and US are on the way too.

What exciting time to be alive as Global Britain moves forward?
78
18/12/2020 10:24:55 7 3
bbc
Wow, I hope you're right, it's a shame that Robert Lighthizer (the current US trade negotiator) doesn't seem to know about any of this or he would have been trumpeting it as an achievement from the time of the Trump administration.

Perhaps you'd like to cite your source for this optimism?
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18/12/2020 10:20:01 11 16
bbc
No Deal Brexit will break the UK.

Don't even think about it, Johnson.
79
18/12/2020 10:24:56 0 1
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If it breaks the UK as far as Union then makes us weaker but will survive. If you mean Economically it will not.
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18/12/2020 10:18:52 946 595
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We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible

Not going too well is it?
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18/12/2020 10:25:00 55 112
bbc
On the contrary, it's going very well thanks. We've left the EU, the transition period is ending and, so far, we have avoided a BRINO FTA. No FTA will guarantee no hidden traps, no stealth colony status.
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Kev
18/12/2020 10:31:51 64 23
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"Stealth colony" lol

I think you need a reality check.
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18/12/2020 10:33:36 71 27
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Wait to see the cost of your shopping basket in a month before saying it is all going well! you might have a surprise!
81
18/12/2020 10:25:11 320 109
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Is this the first admission by the EU that it believes it is a sovereign entity i.e. the United States of Europe whose President is above its constituent nation state leaders?
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18/12/2020 11:09:57 173 69
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More the first time it's been quite so obvious France and Germany are using the EC as a political shield - if it goes well, they'll take the credit, if it goes badly they'll let the Commission bureaucracy take the blame - hence the reason the Commission has been playing for no deal from day one, no upside to them in a 'pretty good' or 'win-win' deal.
18/12/2020 11:13:23 12 11
bbc
It wouldn't work otherwise. The USA model is not a bad one to follow in any case from an economic success point of view. If the states of the USA were sovereign nations, they would make up the majority of countries in the G20.
UK will resemble an isolationist economy in a few years time, like say, North Korea,
18/12/2020 11:32:01 11 8
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Well done Sir, nailed it.
This is the logical progression from the Maastricht Treaty in 1993 which provides the framework for political union.
It was always the intention, Churchill was very keen on it in 1946 but the USA rather thwarted it by creating NATO in 1949.
Backstop was the EEC, achieve aim by bringing economies closer together.
Referendum in 1993 should have stopped this, didn't happen!
18/12/2020 12:26:18 4 4
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No.
They all get a vote on whether to condemn us back to obscurity, or not.
18/12/2020 12:42:45 6 9
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Yes, wait until they change their name again to the European Democratic Republic. Then they can begin to centralise their operation back to Germany and do away with the old national goverments. All controlled by Elites who are not ellected by the people. In other words a Facist State, the 4th Reich!
18/12/2020 13:00:01 7 3
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Read up on pooled sovereignty. Every nation does it, and when we sign a trade deal with the US we will lose some of our sovereignty. We will have trade rights but will also have obligations we must follow. If you don't want to lose any sovereignty, then you are alone in the world.
18/12/2020 18:36:57 0 0
bbc
Had the same thought when reading that the EU will retain it's sovereign right to......
18/12/2020 18:36:50 0 1
bbc
Yes, I noticed that, EU sovereignty, this will send a shiver down the spines of lots of smaller EU countries.
18/12/2020 20:35:46 1 0
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Dream on.
von der Leyen has a higher status but no more power than Barnier.
She represents 27 nations that long ago agreed their common negotiating position - and its red lines.
Little room for manoeuvre as any one of them can veto a deal they don't like.
Boris has been pretty slow to grasp this.
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18/12/2020 10:19:52 15 32
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The EU have no intention of agreeing a deal, it’s all about punishment for leaving.
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18/12/2020 10:25:16 8 2
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So, your saying 'No Deal' is a bad thing now? You can't have it both ways.
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jay
18/12/2020 10:25:17 168 20
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what cant be done in a few years wont be done in a few hours ....move along nothing to see here
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18/12/2020 11:07:05 233 377
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17.4 million Lievers must now be either:
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.
thats odd jay is my name here as well and I did not post the original post here. Removed
84
18/12/2020 10:25:27 12 9
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£200bn + cost and 4 years of wasted time and we are still not sorted. Farce. Bj is a clown.
39
18/12/2020 10:20:40 21 20
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"Remoaner" is such a juvenile term.
85
18/12/2020 10:25:32 5 5
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What like QUITTER?
86
18/12/2020 10:25:38 789 134
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Probably by now the use of pejorative terms like 'gammon' 'remoaner' 'brexitard' should be treated as hate crime. I hope for all our sakes a level of respect and co-operation can return within this country and with others in the EU/rest of the world otherwise we have all lost.
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18/12/2020 10:43:02 411 134
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You seem to be implying that the hateful remarks are emanating from within this country. But bear in mind it is easy for an agent from St Putinsburg, Paris, Berlin, New York or elsewhere to post their divisive comments here.
Brexitard is a good one! Sums it up perfectly. Removed
597
18/12/2020 10:51:38 75 88
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17M Lievers will now be feeling:
1. Stupid, as they realise they were lied to, conned, hoodwinked by Farage and Bozon.
2. Desperate, as they are forced to become ever more dissonant, seeking to defend their indefensible, senseless, poor choice to dispense with all the advantages of trading with the most powerful, wealthiest, nearest trading bloc next door.
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18/12/2020 10:52:11 71 21
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Very difficult to rebuild unity. I suspect the Brexit issue will become like Irish partition in Ireland and Scottish Nationalism in Scotland the dividing line of English politics and English politics will become increasingly bitter as in the Celtic countries. Does not help that Boris is oblivious to the problem.
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18/12/2020 10:52:52 52 11
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Unfortunately I think that respect and especially co-operation returning to this country are about as likely as Travis catching the Liberator. Like America we are massively divided and too caught up in jingoistic nonsense to see the wood for the trees.
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18/12/2020 10:55:20 41 46
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Completely agree.. It's nice that some of the top comments are actually like this, down the middle & just wanting a fair deal and an end to the hate.

We need to move forward together.

Blame on both sides but both sides want a deal.

Sadly top comment is still a ridiculous remain-tinted farce but there have been leave comments just as bad.

We're leaving & majority voted for it so let's move on.
883
18/12/2020 11:05:31 20 8
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I suppose the term "remoaner" just implied a person wanted to remain but moaned about it a lot, hardly hate crime is it. In any case "remainer/remoaner" don't apply anymore as one can't remain in a place they have already left?
936
18/12/2020 11:08:02 37 5
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Definitely a nice change to have a sensible comment instead of the usual hatred - and patronising comments from remain and wind-up comments from Brexiters.

I don't believe Brexit is a root cause of increased divisiveness, but it's a topic that shows it up. It's creeping into society in general, with people increasingly bigoted in their views and less tolerant of those who think differently.
958
18/12/2020 11:09:24 20 19
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The damage is done. You voted for a duplicitous, divisive, xenophobic, incompetent Govt., who have no intention to heal, only to start blame wars to cover their inhuman, self-enriching agenda - they can't even feed the country's children, and seem to be proud of it.

Both sides of the Brexit divide feel the other is working against their interests. But your Govt. is working against all of you.
985
18/12/2020 11:10:49 10 12
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Only one of those has the racist, sexist and ageist basis to qualify for hate crime status - but as it's the left who like using it the Beeb will continue allowing it.
18/12/2020 11:12:42 6 15
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What... how is it a hate crime to use these phrases, gammons and remoaners are not a protected group by the UKs own human rights laws and being a member of either group does not denote your full political ideology, age, disabilty, race, religion or sexual orientation.

Don't be such a snowflake
18/12/2020 11:16:24 5 13
bbc
Most name calling is from EU nationals. Not dirty remoaners. (I'm joking)
I'll continue to call people out for their short-sighted xenophobia, and Gammons they shall stay. Uneducated, wetherspoons-dwelling troglodytes the lot of em. Removed
18/12/2020 11:24:10 11 13
bbc
The division was created when the losing side refused to accept the democratic vote

And judging by the posts on this site continues to today
18/12/2020 11:47:23 0 3
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Everyone LIKE this comment from
Federation Commander Travis! It important it’s seen
18/12/2020 11:51:23 11 9
bbc
No need to be such a snowflake. I for one will never forgive the damage Brexiteers are bringing on our country
18/12/2020 12:09:27 0 1
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Keep hoping.
Very unlikely, I would think.
18/12/2020 12:18:33 5 3
bbc
Or snowflake, woke, commie, fascist, nazi, traytor

Or we accept HYS supports robust debate. I think BBC get it about right - a little name-calling does no-one any harm

As a firm opponent of the harm this Brexit nonsense is causing UK & also an older male white person, I don't mind being called any of these terms - I know who & what I am some random stranger shouting idiocy is of no account
18/12/2020 12:20:00 4 4
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The country is lost, the UK will limp along for a decade at best, my money is on Irish reunification very soon in the case of no deal and Scottish independance vote in less than two years. RIP United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland killing by the Conservative and Unionist Party. Can't wait personally, the very end of the empire is within grasp.
18/12/2020 12:27:01 2 3
bbc
We have all lost. The damage (not least a divided country) is done and cannot be undone. It is too late.
18/12/2020 12:29:23 2 6
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Dream on, no level playing field when it comes to that! Remainers would justify the terms you list as being "fair comment" and that the people they are directed at "deserve it". They are "other". Not like us. Deplorables. Won't find them in Waitrose. Seems like the BBC moderators share the same view given their relaxed approach to such comments.
18/12/2020 12:58:11 0 4
bbc
I agree. I saw someone use the phrase 'whitewashed' yesterday. Surely that can be added to the list of offensive terms.
18/12/2020 13:06:31 1 4
bbc
Such a snowflake.
Ben
18/12/2020 13:07:07 3 3
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Personally I prefer "Brexi'diots".
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18/12/2020 10:25:38 0 2
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Fingers crossed!
88
18/12/2020 10:25:55 969 374
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The simple issue here is that the UK is no longer negotiating with the EU. It is negotiating with France. This is a French position that is of secondary importance to most EU Member States.

Only the French could possibly believe that the EU's position on fisheries is remotely reasonable!

The EU is the creation of the French political elite and continues to behave that way.
595
18/12/2020 10:51:34 379 594
bbc
Which is a total lie ...
599
18/12/2020 10:51:41 83 74
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Classic Frenchie bashing. Some say Brexit is a futile attempt to take us back to the 1950s. In fact, it's a futile attempt to take us back to the 1800s. Wellington, Nelson, that bloke Sean Bean played on TV, all giving the frogs a damn good thrashing. Meanwhile, in the real world, the French are our partners in scientific and industrial endeavours that are now at risk because of mindless jingoism.
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Rob
18/12/2020 10:47:44 77 44
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Spot on! You must have lived in France or worked with them at some point. I'm a total Francophile but find it pathetic they can't get rid of that massive chip against us Brits. I voted Remain by the way but after my experiences with these goons would have voted the other way
747
18/12/2020 10:58:20 54 63
bbc
Nonsense, xenophobic claptrap.
984
18/12/2020 11:10:48 44 36
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BIG WRONG! LOOK UP WHAT DEAR OLD MAGGIE DID - She created "Single Market" so that UK will have "unfettered access to all EU countries">
Helps to read and UNDERSTAND history!
18/12/2020 11:43:46 5 1
bbc
I thought most of the fish quotas went to Spain and Poland?
18/12/2020 11:41:11 3 4
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Dead simple :)
18/12/2020 11:53:14 1 8
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Spot on
18/12/2020 12:09:44 0 4
bbc
The guillotine dodgers then?
18/12/2020 12:13:06 14 11
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More claptrap made up from the usual little englanders.
18/12/2020 12:17:55 8 5
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Brexit Lies.
18/12/2020 12:44:07 3 2
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Macron has been told to keep his nose out, after giving Barnier instructions lest week. Merkel also has stated that she is not getting personally involved. But if you believe all that .....
18/12/2020 12:53:03 5 1
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But wait a minute, i was led to believe that the UK, within the EU, had no democratic influence...so our elected officials always had influence, well that's a game changer!
18/12/2020 12:55:16 3 3
bbc
NO
It was created by Germany & France to prevent another war
Now then, stop talking xenophobic rubbish
18/12/2020 13:02:37 2 1
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Actually, anything decided now has to be approved by the EU members and UK government. So while France may have a bigger stake in fishing, beware that there are other EU members who are looking at voting no. Why might that be? A no deal means a lot of companies will move out of the UK and into the EU and that is good for EU business.
18/12/2020 13:05:54 1 1
bbc
I remember the days when France said Non, non to get us into the Single Market. If in the future we will want to join the club, it will be another, non, non.
18/12/2020 13:12:43 1 1
bbc
Wrong on so many counts. I think Konrad Adenauer of Germany has something to do with the creation of the EU.
18/12/2020 13:16:30 0 2
bbc
That's raw French hatred!
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GH
18/12/2020 10:24:25 12 13
bbc
Walk away now on WTO

It’s not perfect but it does establish a clean break...... for good or bad.

It’s ip to us as a country to pull together and make something of this mess.
89
18/12/2020 10:25:56 2 5
bbc
Ignorance personified.
90
18/12/2020 10:25:56 4 5
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Soooooo, will Boris the invincible be forced into Brino to save country, or will he again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory ?

Same time, same place, next week ............................
So the Tories are incapable of negotiating the easiest deal in human history.

Pee-up and brewery spring to mind.
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18/12/2020 10:25:56 87 102
bbc
The electorate were warned. They were to busy screaming 'Antisemite' at the left to see it.
Funny how it turned out they were actually anti semite. If they lied about that what else are they lying about? Removed
Please learn how to spell Darth. They say "ignorance is bliss", you must be happy a lot of the time? Removed
486
18/12/2020 10:37:20 2 2
bbc
Hmmm.....still true though isn't it? Officially now.....
606
18/12/2020 10:52:01 3 4
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It must be great to be so wise and far-seeing, compared with the stupid electorate of 35 million people.
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18/12/2020 11:09:40 3 2
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What an utterly hateful comment. How can one be 'too busy' to call out a dangerous form of racism ingrained within the political elite? And why would this be the reason the electorate neglected to heed your co called warnings? May you are an apologist for antisemites? Or just an ignoramus?
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18/12/2020 10:26:02 1291 186
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On BBC news this morning.

The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...

… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.

How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
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18/12/2020 10:32:25 551 66
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Counter argument HMG should use. The individual countries stick to state subsidies rule and Westminster provide similar to what Brussels provides. Bet they don’t like that
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18/12/2020 10:38:19 31 59
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Since when has the UK ever provided state aid anyway? Normaly just lets companies colapse or move abroad. Anyway gov. is broke now.
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18/12/2020 10:50:07 32 33
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The EU relief fund goes to help regions in the form of road infrastructure etc..and not companies. This is the major difference
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18/12/2020 11:00:40 43 4
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You do realise the US Govt took the EU to the WTO and put tarriffs on UK gods over state aid to Airbus?
18/12/2020 11:15:40 26 51
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This 'unacceptable EU demand' is basically the same the UK has been asking for in the negotiations all along: unilateral right to not keep to EU rules of standards/state aid allowing UK to undercut the EU, while still wanting tariff-free access to SM. Refusal by the EU to accept this was called 'fear of UK competition'. Now the EU asks something similar, UK finds it 'unacceptable'. See a pattern?
18/12/2020 11:11:10 7 3
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The direct subsidies from EU most commonly are infrastructure investment in areas of deprivation. For instance EU has funded roads and forestry in the highlands.
18/12/2020 11:26:05 8 1
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This chart is quite an eye-opener if you want to see what a level playing field looks like:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/charts/total-state-aid
18/12/2020 11:55:18 2 18
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The reason talks failed is because the english are obtuse... end of. Mate.
18/12/2020 11:56:51 10 4
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Shows the fickle, dishonest even, nature of the EU.

Such a good thing we left on 31 Jan this year.
18/12/2020 12:03:10 3 8
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Perhaps they should have thought about that before calling a referendum. Nothing has changed since 2016!
18/12/2020 12:06:56 4 11
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Lol,
you believed that did you?
still falling for the ol "its that horrible EUs fault"

Pathetic.
18/12/2020 12:11:08 9 2
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Very good point, but remember the U.K. is not famous for giving state aid; whereas the French and the Germans do as they like!
18/12/2020 12:19:18 3 1
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Level playing field means the same level. Is it too difficult to absorb?
18/12/2020 12:22:13 2 5
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The EU's position is not dissimilar to that of the UK, which distributes funds to the devolved nations all the time.
18/12/2020 12:30:57 1 3
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Unregulated state aid gives an unfair trading advantage. Both the EU and WTO do not allow this. They allow regulated and agreed state aid, to ensure mutual benefit to the trading bloc, and not to individual countries outside of the rules.
18/12/2020 12:36:20 5 1
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You mean like very high sub-state ownership of the French railways?
18/12/2020 12:38:54 8 1
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The EU never thought about a level playing field with Freedom of Movement when they devised a scheme that allowed millions of workers on a fraction of UK minimum wage the right to roam and flood the UK with cheap Labour.
18/12/2020 12:40:36 1 2
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See Boeing V Airbus and maybe you'll work it out.
If the UK subsidizes e.g. steel like China and floods the EU market, it is unfair to those in the EU who are not subsidized. That results in retaliations and trade wars on all sides
18/12/2020 12:41:05 2 1
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Individual states have already ploughed billions into keeping certain sectors alive, during the pandemic. Then there aer ways round these rules, such as the French state maintaining a % share of companies such as EDF and Air France, so they can legally provide them with support as necessary.
18/12/2020 12:41:18 0 3
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But EU say member state can subside right? Maybe I am not getting it
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18/12/2020 12:41:54 0 2
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Scott 100% - I have advised in this area for 20 years and worried about the news blackout all week diverting attention to fisheries, a far smaller concern- Boris has already given away our ability to compete freely in negotiations - as we cannot accept such a deal we can today agree that there will be no deal. As someone who voted for Boris - I blame him for conceding and not being transparent.
18/12/2020 12:54:07 0 1
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What they want to buy the rules? How bizarre!
18/12/2020 13:03:29 3 2
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Yes, you couldn't make it up.
We can't give state aid. But the EU can.
This is an example of why we needed a clean break from the EU.
18/12/2020 13:15:47 4 2
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The vast majority of people see a 'level Playing Field' rather like a see-saw with the same weight on each end.

The EU see 'level' as being 20 stone -- themselves-- on one end and 10 stone -- everybody else --- on the other.

To the EU 'State Aid is allowable if it benefits an entity WITHIN the EU but if the UK, or anyone else, want to hand out support then it is 'Unfair' & 'Inappropriate'.
18/12/2020 13:17:19 1 5
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Just because you type it on the screen doesn't make it true
We are deliberately cutting ourselves off from receiving EU aid
18/12/2020 13:21:18 3 2
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The EU Dictatorship's idea of a "level playing field" is one that slopes steeply in their favour!

There is no chance of a Deal:-

- anything acceptable to the UK will be vetoed by France

- anything acceptable to the French will be unacceptable to the UK
18/12/2020 13:37:09 0 1
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And again if independent state they are not limited by EU state subsidy, or fishing rules.
18/12/2020 13:47:40 1 1
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Try getting your view from somewhere other than the tabloids - EU funding - i.e. CAP, regional development programmes, environmental protections, money to alleviate deprivation etc. - is paid to all member states and is one of the primary purposes of the EU. It is ironic that while the UK was a member, Brexiteers were moaning that the UK didn't get its fair share
18/12/2020 13:56:28 0 3
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The EU has never provided state aid to private business so your statement makes no sense. Nations may do so but never the EU so you be exempting them from a limit of zero.
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18/12/2020 10:23:46 19 18
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The EU doesn’t want a level playing field it wants the North face of the Eiger!
It wants 750 Billion Euros not to count as state aid the money is filtered through the EU.
There is a term for this, it’s money laundering.
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18/12/2020 10:26:02 6 5
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Why do you think Junkers got the top job after making Luxembourg one of the biggest money laundering states in the world?
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18/12/2020 11:06:29 0 1
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So glad the UK would never do that :-)
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18/12/2020 10:23:59 14 15
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The EU is contemptible. When the uk gave up or was kicked out of its imperialism, we didn’t ask to be able to continue the plunder the natural resources of the places we left. If we did and i’m not aware of it, i apologise because that’s contemptible too. But here it is laid bare that is the EU’s agenda, to plunder resource.
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18/12/2020 10:26:09 4 1
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No we complete did do that by implementing puppet administrations and ensuring that companies like Rio Tinto Zinc, BP and others had in perpetuity land and mineral rights.
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18/12/2020 10:23:30 14 13
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Transition extension is the only sane option at this stage.... shame our government are insane.
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18/12/2020 10:26:14 9 5
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And why do you think more time will make any difference. The reason there is no deal is because of the EU’s ludicrous demands, dragging things out will not change their position. We cannot accept what is on the table and no deal is the only option, so the sooner we get on and build a post Brexit Britain the better.
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18/12/2020 10:31:54 1 1
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Absolutely. It would only prolong the agony. Better to bite the bullet.
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18/12/2020 11:04:38 0 1
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You just don't understand the concept of the EU do you?
There is more to it than £
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18/12/2020 10:26:15 11 10
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Goodness me the keyboard socialists are all sat at home this morning instead of doing their bit.
Are you all UNICEF sponsored?
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18/12/2020 10:27:20 6 3
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You must be one of them seeing you are on here.
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18/12/2020 10:28:38 1 2
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And are you as ignorant as Mogg.
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18/12/2020 10:29:39 2 1
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spoons closed ?
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18/12/2020 10:32:16 2 3
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touched a nerve!

1 self employed working from home.
2 'Ignorant as Mogg' - none taken but it looks like you can dish it out but can't take it!
3 don't drink in spoons
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18/12/2020 10:19:03 12 14
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Stay firm Boris!!
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18/12/2020 10:26:22 3 2
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If you must, but please try and keep it inside your trousers.
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18/12/2020 10:20:01 11 16
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No Deal Brexit will break the UK.

Don't even think about it, Johnson.
Feel free to take your overdraft elsewhere then Jock! Removed
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18/12/2020 10:18:30 660 149
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Decision time Boris. Who will you support ?

Your country or your party ?
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18/12/2020 10:26:24 23 113
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Well I'd choose the country & go for no deal - every time.
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18/12/2020 10:17:51 151 145
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Brexiteers will never accept the truth. They will always blame someone else.
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18/12/2020 10:26:26 19 18
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Remainers seem to have a special talent for demonising and othering those that they disagree with; thoroughly rancid behaviour.
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18/12/2020 10:30:03 1 4
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I think you'll find that's Farage. Remember those posters?