'Just a few hours' left to agree Brexit trade deal, says Michel Barnier
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Michel Barnier says it is now "the moment of truth", while Boris Johnson warns of "difficult" talks.
And then one wonders why the country feels more divided than ever...
Turkey voting for Christmas again
To think you may be old enough to vote for noperead dope
Brexiteers will never accept the truth. They will always blame someone else.
That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!
Remainers seem to have a special talent for demonising and othering those that they disagree with; thoroughly rancid behaviour.
Another brexit HYS where a infinitesimally small minority of the population, who have never meet shout the same things at one another, like they have done for over 4 years. lol
Remainers will never accept the truth, they lost the vote twice. and still can't get over it
What truth? The only truth here is that we have a bunch of traitors in opposition who do not want to accept a lawful referendum and have tried to derail negotiations at every turn. It’s no wonder it’s down the wire now. We were fighting this with both hands tied throughout the last 4 years
Remainers will not accept the result of a democratic vote, even after four years.
The TRUTH as you put it is we wanted out 4.5 years ago.
The TRUTH is that it is Remoaners who have undermined the UK's negotiations, made Parliament the laughing stock of the world, have been spineless and subservient to a bunch of EU bureaucrats.
Well now you will reap your harvest of a total no deal as a result, exactly what you didn't want, but will blame everyone else for it.
The TRUTH is that it is Remoaners who have undermined the UK's negotiations, made Parliament the laughing stock of the world, have been spineless and subservient to a bunch of EU bureaucrats.
Well now you will reap your harvest of a total no deal as a result, exactly what you didn't want, but will blame everyone else for it.
The truth is what we make of our future, not listening to drivel like yours.
'Huss' now and listen
Trade talks are very fishy
We've lost our Sole
Good Cod, man.
I'm a Dab hand at this
Johnson, Eel be sorry
& singing a different Tuna
We've Haddock our chips
Oyster by our own petard
Even Sturgeon doesn't want our navy
nor would Salmon(d)
Their cavalry won't Scallop into war
The EU are trying to out Mussel us
Like the Cray(fish) brothers might
I'll have to Prawn my posessions
Trade talks are very fishy
We've lost our Sole
Good Cod, man.
I'm a Dab hand at this
Johnson, Eel be sorry
& singing a different Tuna
We've Haddock our chips
Oyster by our own petard
Even Sturgeon doesn't want our navy
nor would Salmon(d)
Their cavalry won't Scallop into war
The EU are trying to out Mussel us
Like the Cray(fish) brothers might
I'll have to Prawn my posessions
...and Winkle out a existence
It's like drinking a goblet of Poisson
Playing Sardines in holidays queues
Good deal? Snapper their hand off
here's the sick Squid I owe you too
Anyway I won't Carp any longer
Just try to keep Clam...
It's like drinking a goblet of Poisson
Playing Sardines in holidays queues
Good deal? Snapper their hand off
here's the sick Squid I owe you too
Anyway I won't Carp any longer
Just try to keep Clam...
What a miserable lot you 'hys' bunch are.
Off the scales.....
Off the scales.....
Eeeh! I love trawling through these comments.
Decision time Boris. Who will you support ?
Your country or your party ?
Your country or your party ?
Well I'd choose the country & go for no deal - every time.
Yo have to ask? Tories are Party EVERY time!
What sort of question is that? People that voted to leave have gotten far more from Johnson than May. It’s the people that don’t understand what a democratic vote is screaming hell from the rooftops
He will support our country, our sovereignty. So if the EU cant understand this then it has to be a no deal. The same as I cant enforce what you do in your own home.
Self comes before both of those
Its a no brainer his party of course..... Now let me see Boris, there's a good ole English name just like Farage...
My country, get us out NOW, stop wasting time with the Eurocrats.
We should have left 4 years ago.
We should have left 4 years ago.
BOTH
He will do what the voters put him in power to do. Leave on WTO.
And what it the difference? - on the terms offers the decision for the country is clear - no deal and the Conservatives would agree with that.
He's supporting the country pretty well in these negotiations. You aren't.
Boris - he support Boris and Boris means Boris. We'll get what he thinks will keep him PM longest so check the gravity in the party.
He supports the people and is doing what his voters said. Get sovereignty, stop freedom of movement.
Neither. He'll support the millionaires who put him in power to do a job for their investments.
Both. Top job.
"L'Etat, C'est moi" (I am the state.) Said by king Louis 14th.
Well, we know the answer to that, don't we?
NEITHER
He'll support BoZo the lying clown, same as he always has
He'll support BoZo the lying clown, same as he always has
The country. He is honouring the result of the ref, which is what May should have done.
Spot on - I suspect he will support his party and the ERG unless he does a u-turn. And now Johnson might have another lockdown, another u turn then?
Since the party was elected by the country on the basis of leave - with no deal if the EU forced it on us - then supporting one is automatically supporting both - isn't it?
He will support himself and his rich chums.
Us plebs? Forget it!
Us plebs? Forget it!
Give it a rest Beeb, these continuous HYS on brexit trade talks are getting really tiresome.
Why bother commenting then ?
How many sock accounts do you have?
It looks like you're in the denial phase!
'Huss' now and listen
Trade talks are very fishy
We've lost our Sole
Good Cod, man.
I'm a Dab hand at this
Johnson, Eel be sorry
& singing a different Tuna
We've Haddock our chips
Oyster by our own petard
Even Sturgeon doesn't want our navy
nor would Salmon(d)
Their cavalry won't Scallop into war
The EU are trying to out Mussel us
Like the Cray(fish) brothers might
I'll have to Prawn my posessions
Trade talks are very fishy
We've lost our Sole
Good Cod, man.
I'm a Dab hand at this
Johnson, Eel be sorry
& singing a different Tuna
We've Haddock our chips
Oyster by our own petard
Even Sturgeon doesn't want our navy
nor would Salmon(d)
Their cavalry won't Scallop into war
The EU are trying to out Mussel us
Like the Cray(fish) brothers might
I'll have to Prawn my posessions
We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible
Not going too well is it?
Not going too well is it?
Appalling mismanagement by this shambolic government.
On the contrary, it's going very well thanks. We've left the EU, the transition period is ending and, so far, we have avoided a BRINO FTA. No FTA will guarantee no hidden traps, no stealth colony status.
All I want for Christmas is No Deal
Contrast the civilised respectful style of Barnier with the offensive, blaming style of Johnson.
Remainers are going to look the biggest fools ( as if they couldn’t look as idiotic as they do now) in history when Brexit Britain thrives post Brexit.
A Commonwealth bloc is being built right now. It will be huge with nations like UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand etc.
The future is CANZUK, Anglosphere and the Commonwealth and friends around the world.
Bye bye EU
A Commonwealth bloc is being built right now. It will be huge with nations like UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand etc.
The future is CANZUK, Anglosphere and the Commonwealth and friends around the world.
Bye bye EU
Which ports are being blockaded? I haven't seen that in the news, or have you just speculated what you think / hope will happen, or maybe just made that statement up?
they are trying to punish us ... but for many millions it cant get any worse ... even the JAMS were at least recognised in 2016 ..... for them it can only get better and perhaps that is what Remain are afraid of .... 2008 Economic collapse burden sharing ?
Australia Deal? I must be losing track of it all I thought we were going for the Narnia Deal!
The French make ridiculous demands and you blame your Prime Minister. Strange.
Yawn
It's going fine No deal means we are finally free of the EU and all it's offices. I only fear a sellout at the last minute.
Not to mention the wasted £bn getting here. Our gov out of their depth.
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Your comment is a rubbish heap of Remainer cliches and hackneyed phrases..
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Sadly it was never going too. The liars we call government are busy rewriting history to suit their narrative. Meanwhile the country collapses. Australia deal - they don't have one. Can it get any worse for us?
AS for unicef they are playing politics,, never again will support them!
Please can the BBC stop posting this platform as the predictability of the comments is becoming tiresome
Why do you come on them then. You do know it’s optional don’t you ?
You have to click to view the comments section so, if you find the comments to be tiresome, why did you view them?
What I suspect is that it the reality is dawning on you and you don't want your internal World view to be challenged. Am I right?
What I suspect is that it the reality is dawning on you and you don't want your internal World view to be challenged. Am I right?
Its time for this bomb to go off and allow us all to get on with the clear up operation...There will be no "winners" with this, its simply going to be a self inflicted wound that needs to heal with time...Sad days!
It’s only self-inflicted if you voted for it.
The fact that this is a very apt description actually just shows how bloody stupid voting for brexit is/was
No winners but one side will be the lesser loser. It’s is not UK.
It's self inflickted if you don't stand behind it and shout all day from your soap box.
Brexit will lead to greater prosperity for our country. The EU is a cul-de-sac.
Don't waste your time being sad get on with it if it's bad make it better if it isn't as bad make it good
After the wound gangrene frequently sets in.
“Grandad, why did your grandfather vote for Brexit? Why are we so poor compared to those Germans that work so hard?”
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to pass, I suspect maybe because many will once again leave for the US, Australia etc, just like they did for decades until recently.
If I was 21 again, and an engineering graduate I wouldn’t stay now, that’s for sure. Why would you?
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to pass, I suspect maybe because many will once again leave for the US, Australia etc, just like they did for decades until recently.
If I was 21 again, and an engineering graduate I wouldn’t stay now, that’s for sure. Why would you?
So the Tories are incapable of negotiating the easiest deal in human history.
Pee-up and brewery spring to mind.
Pee-up and brewery spring to mind.
The electorate were warned. They were to busy screaming 'Antisemite' at the left to see it.
Garbage springs to mind when I read your post.
Just think of the huge mess Labour would have generated. Look at how badly they fared in the Corbyn era. Would you wish that on the UK ?
Well neither are the EU.
And Remoaners were incapable of winning the Brexit vote, and despite making Parliament the laughing stock of the world were then incapable of winning the election, in fact it turned out to be a landside in the opposite direction.
Remoaners and their cause are the most incapable.
And Remoaners were incapable of winning the Brexit vote, and despite making Parliament the laughing stock of the world were then incapable of winning the election, in fact it turned out to be a landside in the opposite direction.
Remoaners and their cause are the most incapable.
The EU have no intention of agreeing a deal, it’s all about punishment for leaving.
So, your saying 'No Deal' is a bad thing now? You can't have it both ways.
Not really, because we KNOW you were lied to, fed false hopes and ultimately CONNED. That is the truth that you will not admit.
"That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!"
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On the basis that they didn't vote for it, how can they be to blame for it?
I don't think you've thought this one through.
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On the basis that they didn't vote for it, how can they be to blame for it?
I don't think you've thought this one through.
No we've been blaming Brexiteers for every change and all the uncertainty. Since none of the change or uncertainty (or slower growth, or business relocations or weakening of our currency or loss of access to security data etc) would be happening if we hadn't voted leave, that seems valid?
Unless you're blaming remainers for leave winning the Brexit referendum in which case I doubt your sanity.
Unless you're blaming remainers for leave winning the Brexit referendum in which case I doubt your sanity.
Well we didn't vote to leave and nor did the EU but you arrogantly expect them to dance to your tune. Naive, deluded and entitled all at the same time......
What was that? An easy 'oven ready' free trade deal?
What's that exactly? There are 14m versions and none are better than the current deal.
On BBC news this morning.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
Doesn't matter if you wanted Brexit or not
This is awful
4 years and it's come to this.
"oven ready deal"
This is awful
4 years and it's come to this.
"oven ready deal"
Fishing rights stand in the way of a deal. Little Englanders have a romantic notion about the fishing industry - a similar rose tinted delusion to the whole Brexit idea, pining for a bygone era of British greatness that no longer exists.
Brits don't even like the fish that are found in UK waters.
What will we do with all that fish that we don't want, when UK fishing boats are banned from EU ports? Removed
Brits don't even like the fish that are found in UK waters.
What will we do with all that fish that we don't want, when UK fishing boats are banned from EU ports? Removed
Blame May and Hammo Hammond for wasting time.
The EU were never going to let us go easily if at all, for that guarantees their own ultimate doom. Thank gawd we are finally getting out of the Protectionist Blackmailing Cartel.
The 17.4M Liever voters who voted for this must either:
1. Feel pretty stupid, now that they see they were conned and lied to by Farage.
2. Be grasping at straws, drowning in their own dissonance, trying to defend their eroding position, trying to convince themselves and others that they were right, before they go to their graves.
1. Feel pretty stupid, now that they see they were conned and lied to by Farage.
2. Be grasping at straws, drowning in their own dissonance, trying to defend their eroding position, trying to convince themselves and others that they were right, before they go to their graves.
Smaller agreements have taken decades to iron out even if both sides were amicable and doing what’s best for all, but that really doesn’t apply here when some have continuously derailed negotiations for the last 4 years and now claim it was never going to work. It’s astonishing how certain political parties won’t accept the results of a referendum and still expect public support afterward.
Yawn. I have read this phrase literally hundreds of times being used by Remainers, and all of them fail to understand that it referred to the Withdrawal Agreement, not the trade talks. Same with you.
It was but the EU is refusing to switch the oven on.
Yet another person perpetuating the deliberate misrepresentation of the "oven ready deal" phrase by suggesting it applied to anything other than the Withdrawal Agreement.
And I thought they (EU) held all the cards in this negotiation... Obviously not.
Well they do... it's just the jingoistic Tories are delusional.
The same sticking points were there back in Feb. It will be no-deal. There is no time to look at the 1000+ pages before 31st Dec. No deal and Merry Christmas to everyone.
Because it isn't going to be a happy New Year.
Just a few hours to save Brexit!
Its like some wretched TV show and waiting to see who will win and who will lose.
Its like some wretched TV show and waiting to see who will win and who will lose.
We will lose. Every one of us proles will lose.
That’s why the media has a lot to answer for the state of our politics. They create this charade
We all lose.
"Just a few hours to save Brexit!"
Nope.
You have lost that already. You bitter remoaners -
Lost the Ref
Lost the A50 (it was passed by big majority in HoC, HoL)
Lost the GE (1)
Lost the EU vote
Lost the GE (2)
Lost the WA (it was done last year)
Lost leaving the EU (Jan 2020)
- Out of CAP, CU, ECJ, CFP, FoM
Lost the Trade Agreement
(No brino for you losers, see above leaving the EU)
You lose
Nope.
You have lost that already. You bitter remoaners -
Lost the Ref
Lost the A50 (it was passed by big majority in HoC, HoL)
Lost the GE (1)
Lost the EU vote
Lost the GE (2)
Lost the WA (it was done last year)
Lost leaving the EU (Jan 2020)
- Out of CAP, CU, ECJ, CFP, FoM
Lost the Trade Agreement
(No brino for you losers, see above leaving the EU)
You lose
Is that your final answer?
Fishing 0.1% of our economy and we don't even eat the fish from our waters, mackerel and herring. It is all idealogical, about Our British Waters, what what. The Empire Loyalist mindset in the shires and their backwoods MPs
It's odd then that you're so relaxed about the colonial mindset adopted by the EU...control of territorial waters. Perhaps your logic is a bit confused?
If it's so unimportant...why are they so insistent upon it?
It's "ideological" by the way but then...you're the intelligent part of the population ;-)
If it's so unimportant...why are they so insistent upon it?
It's "ideological" by the way but then...you're the intelligent part of the population ;-)
No, it's about trading what we don't consume ourselves; a bit like the French selling the excess wine they don't consume. It's 0.1% because the industry has been decimated over the yrs, it would be more if we had a full quota. Coastal communities have suffered deprivation due to this. You may not care about folk 'in the shires' but they are human beings with their own valid concerns. Stop sneering
UK will do fantastic after Brexit.
The exciting news is that UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand are on their way to forming a huge Commonwealth trade bloc along with USA, Japan and other friends around the world.
UK has signed 59 trade deals and deals with India and US are on the way too.
What exciting time to be alive as Global Britain moves forward?
The exciting news is that UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand are on their way to forming a huge Commonwealth trade bloc along with USA, Japan and other friends around the world.
UK has signed 59 trade deals and deals with India and US are on the way too.
What exciting time to be alive as Global Britain moves forward?
Wow, I hope you're right, it's a shame that Robert Lighthizer (the current US trade negotiator) doesn't seem to know about any of this or he would have been trumpeting it as an achievement from the time of the Trump administration.
Perhaps you'd like to cite your source for this optimism?
Perhaps you'd like to cite your source for this optimism?
An important piece of legislation held up by a "few fish"
Anyone would think either side didn't actually want a deal.
Anyone would think either side didn't actually want a deal.
I eagerly await a last-minute climbdown by Johnson, and a proclamation of victory.
It is not a 'few fish,' but an issue of sovereignty.
For the avoidance of doubt, this is a supremely important piece of legislation, and the EU is the side with the strong negotiating position. A last-minute climbdown is the UK's best achievable outcome.
This is all about the EU survival.
One side needs the deal. The other side is OK with it but not at any cost. Guess who it is.
It is crazy economically, but there is a principle at stake here. Hopefully the French and Germany car manufacturers will force the EU to back-off.
Who would have thought it ended up coming down to a load of pollocks.
For some EU countries, particular France there is a lot to be gained from a no deal exit by the UK. If we leave the EU with no deal a lot of our financial services and industries are no longer going to be viable in the UK. So what are they going to do? Many will move to Europe, particularly France. Paris will take over from London as the financial capital of Europe.
Clearly France and the EU don’t think this is about a few fish.
The EU aren’t bothered, they don’t need a deal, bozza is desperate to cling on to something that he can say he was successful in negotiating, looks like he’s put everything on fish. Not surprising given close resemblance to the species
No this is it honestly.
EU - 'bye'
UK - 'bye'
EU - you're still there aren't you?'
UK - 'yes'
EU - 'no deal then?'
UK - 'no deal'
EU - '?????'
Fill the rest in till 31/12/20 yourself.
All a bit pathetic now.
EU - 'bye'
UK - 'bye'
EU - you're still there aren't you?'
UK - 'yes'
EU - 'no deal then?'
UK - 'no deal'
EU - '?????'
Fill the rest in till 31/12/20 yourself.
All a bit pathetic now.
EU- 'no don't go yet.....we might do it...just wait a bit longer...'
It's all a bit pathetic really. Reasonable and responsible people could have sorted this out three years ago.
....only until 31/12/20?? Think it will go on much longer....
Dear Brexiteers:
We cannot implement any of the restrictions for No Deal because this government has not done the correct preparation or employed the correct number of Border and Customs officials.
The UK is insisting on a deadline we have already acknowledged we cannot hit.
Now being specific (as in telling me exactly what I did to cause this lack of preparation) how is this remoaner's fault?
We cannot implement any of the restrictions for No Deal because this government has not done the correct preparation or employed the correct number of Border and Customs officials.
The UK is insisting on a deadline we have already acknowledged we cannot hit.
Now being specific (as in telling me exactly what I did to cause this lack of preparation) how is this remoaner's fault?
You seem to have missed the point, I don't think it's the ERG and Farage who decide what to have an HYS on.
I feel like every day is "just a few hours left".
Don’t worry, a deal will be signed at the “last”minute - they need us desperately and the French can’t do without our fishing waters
Love Europe
Hate the EU
Love Europe
Hate the EU
Down vote me all you want you Euro loving sycophants, but we’re leaving whether you like it or not
That’s called democracy
That’s called democracy
No Deal Brexit will break the UK.
Don't even think about it, Johnson.
Don't even think about it, Johnson.
You're in for a shock then.
If it breaks the UK as far as Union then makes us weaker but will survive. If you mean Economically it will not.
‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
The negotiating tactic of appointing negotiators who do not themselves have the authority to agree a deal is about to backfire on both sides.
Good, the 50 Million will be delighted if that happens.
The majority voted out!
You mean the majority who support a deal and the majority who are now opposed to Brexit. That majority?
"He will sort the majority he knows it makes sense"
By far the vast majority of *Leave* voters would prefer to remain in the SM...
...as per exit polls on the day of the referendum and every poll of leave voters since!
By far the vast majority of *Leave* voters would prefer to remain in the SM...
...as per exit polls on the day of the referendum and every poll of leave voters since!
The majority don’t even want Brexit anymore. Never mind a no deal Brexit. Here’s all the polls if you don’t believe it from your Brexit bubble.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
No. Boris will do what suites Boris. We just have to hope that coincides with the UKs interests.
Big moment for Johnson .....
No more hiding in fridges, no more lies, no more avoiding interviews.
This is all on you .......
No more hiding in fridges, no more lies, no more avoiding interviews.
This is all on you .......
He didn’t”hide” in a fridge
If you have to use that as your reference point then it shows that you have no argument and zero knowledge of the situation
Stick to reading the Mirror Removed
If you have to use that as your reference point then it shows that you have no argument and zero knowledge of the situation
Stick to reading the Mirror Removed
No more rubbish from you, hopefully.
Big moment for everyone in the UK and the EU. Why be so narrow minded ?
There have been no lies,,, the E/U lot were DICTATORS, STILL ARE,, Thats why we as a country got fed up!! had a referendum,, DECIDED TO LEAVE<< but the dictators in Europe will not listen?? possibly NOW OUR FUNDS PROBABLY WILL GO ELSE WHARE,, and THOUSANDS OF JOBS GO!! IN Germany/France and others,, they will learn from their past ARROGANCE??
Also hopefully no more leading questions of the "when did you stop beating your wife" type that are impossible to answer without self incrimination. The 10pm pub closing time was portrayed as stupid by the media because a few people would leave the pub at the same time but opening of theatres is deemed ok because they are "safe" ..... until 2000 people walk out together which is never mentioned.
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The UK fishing industry is worth 0.1% to UK GDP. UK fishing industry feels that a no deal Brexit will destroy their industry as it relies on the EU market for the sale of the majority of their catch:
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/18523742.letter-no-deal-brexit-will-destroy-fishing-industry/
Rights over the years have also been sold off, which no amount of jingoism can legally resolve.
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/18523742.letter-no-deal-brexit-will-destroy-fishing-industry/
Rights over the years have also been sold off, which no amount of jingoism can legally resolve.
Believe me, that's not how the international community are viewing this! Whatever the outcome, the EU's handing of Brexit has been a PR disaster and severely damaged their standing in the world. Just because you wish for something to be true, it doesn't make it true.
That's not true is it.
Camoron started this then ran and hid.
Maybot failed
Cordym the useless.. Failed
Johnson the covidiot.. Is beyond excuse but tory party and MPs selected him.
Ukpublic then left with hobsons choice of
Cordym and dementum
Or
BJ.
Camoron started this then ran and hid.
Maybot failed
Cordym the useless.. Failed
Johnson the covidiot.. Is beyond excuse but tory party and MPs selected him.
Ukpublic then left with hobsons choice of
Cordym and dementum
Or
BJ.
Boris hides In fridge, 5 second news, who lies ? do you, I've seen him interviewed, this post a non-event.
Surely an extending the transition period is the only realistic outcome. Even if it's only for six months until we have broken the back of the pandemic.
The EU already proffered that idea, but was wholly rejected by Boris 'Get It Done' Johnson.
You could extend the transition for 10 years and the EU would spin it out, not talk for years and then ask for another extension at the last moment, and probably charge us for the privilege of having a trade deficit with them after having pillaged our fish.
Sadly, realistic and Brexit don't go together.
If three and a half years haven't been enough, what difference will another 6 months make?
‘Very grave!' Barnier says just HOURS left for Brexit deal as he pleads with Boris to cave
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?
It appears the BBC is more interested in supporting its PRO EU bias, and creating animosity by having these comments repeated ad nauseam, and I am someone who voted to remain.
The BBC, aka the official mouthpiece of the Tory Party, have been pro Brexit throughout.
With no deal imminent, can Brexiteers please explain why this is a good thing for all of us?
This is my Xmas gift to you, a chance to have your Bexiteer wish list at the top of the forum. Please, educate us.
This is my Xmas gift to you, a chance to have your Bexiteer wish list at the top of the forum. Please, educate us.
No deal is a result of the EU failing to respect our sovereignty. It's not the outcome most people wanted but caving into French demands is worse as it would weaken our position in negotiating any other trade deals. You just need to accept that people voted for Brexit and stop greeting
I've lost track of the amount of posts explaining exactly what the benefits of Brexit can be, yet people keep on asking. You won't listen no matter how many times you're told, so why keep asking? Even a quick google search will give you a lot of info about potential benefits, you don't have to agree it's correct, but to say the points don't even exist is just being wilfully blind/deaf.
Your present will be tier 3.
Our elected politicians are now fully responsible for the direction the U.K. takes and if you don’t like it you can vote them out and vote in someone who’s direction you like. Unlike the Eu who shoehorn in people like the whole kinnock family and you have no say. As for Von de lioness, she was the only candidate for president , strange that.
This not how any negotiation should go. Anyone who think it is probably needs counselling.
EU seeking to exempt critical industries from state aid rules yet seeking to deny the UK the same
Run by Germany & France for Germany & France the UK has always been just making up the numbers
No deal the best deal
Run by Germany & France for Germany & France the UK has always been just making up the numbers
No deal the best deal
On BBC news this morning.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
I can understand wanting to maintain standards but why not just say "anything the EU imports must meet our standards"
What you do elsewhere you can sort out between yourselves.
What you do elsewhere you can sort out between yourselves.
We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible
Not going too well is it?
Not going too well is it?
Transition extension is the only sane option at this stage.... shame our government are insane.
And why do you think more time will make any difference. The reason there is no deal is because of the EU’s ludicrous demands, dragging things out will not change their position. We cannot accept what is on the table and no deal is the only option, so the sooner we get on and build a post Brexit Britain the better.
No Deal is our best option. We won't be rebuilding our economy in a way that's best for the people of the UK post Covid-19 if we are tied to EU rules. Yet the EU will continue to allow France / Germany to break EU rues and unfairly give their farmers and industry an advantage over the rest.
On BBC news this morning.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
Mon Dieu Michel, you are zee biggest tease in 'istory!!
No, I won't......oh just stay a bit longer and maybe I will.....no its impossible.....oh don't go....maybe in a few hours.... Removed
No, I won't......oh just stay a bit longer and maybe I will.....no its impossible.....oh don't go....maybe in a few hours.... Removed
I think I know her
Just a few hours to save Brexit!
Its like some wretched TV show and waiting to see who will win and who will lose.
Its like some wretched TV show and waiting to see who will win and who will lose.
Remainer gloom.
even if there was a last minute "Road to Damascus" last minute conversion by HMG they have already caused so much damage that it will take decades to recover.
What was it calculated by chief cultist JRM? 50 Years. I will be dead by then and my kids pensioners
What was it calculated by chief cultist JRM? 50 Years. I will be dead by then and my kids pensioners
Not true , those in the NE that have been ignored for decades by both main parties have nothing . Virtually no investment since the 80s , even the amount spent on kids in school was far lower than London . The referendum was a call for change , any change could only be for the better . Got less than £100 in life savings , nothing to lose .
Give it a rest Beeb, these continuous HYS on brexit trade talks are getting really tiresome.
It does seem a bit absurd that the EU expect unfettered access to another countries territorial waters. No other country allows this. If you want the fish from our waters, buy them from our catch. A bit like when we want wine from France - we buy it rather than driving over to France and helping ourselves to the vineyards crop. It works both ways.
Water moves as do fish!
How do you propose to keep the waters and fish static?
How do you propose to keep the waters and fish static?
Even if you ignore the fish issue, the others will never be solved " in a few hours" if it cant be done in a few years.
Not totally correct, the EU want access to our fishing waters in exchange for a free trade deal with no tariffs. You seem to indicate that this is unacceptable.
Or if you take a more balanced view, it seems a bit absurd that the UK expect unfettered access to the EU single market, without offering anything in return. Fishing is part of the negotiation, just like it was when we gave the fishing rights away in the first place, and got a lot back in return.
The tories sold something like 30% of the quote previously. This fishing argument is nonsense.
Totally agree and what I cant figure is that the EU would rather have 0% of something than a smaller % of something... but then the EU has form when it comes to political vision - if the EU had given Cameron something on immigration we would not be discussing leaving the EU
Its called a trade negotiation. For success it needs give and take. Single market access is a major give by the EU. We should know, it was our idea...
We also fish in French waters, our fishing industry have said no deal will be catastrophic for the industry and to put it in context London in tier 3 for 2weeks will cost the economy 150% more than a years fishing. That's forgetting we were involved in setting up the EU fishing policy, Farage didn't turn up for the meetings, and our fishing industry sold the fishing rights to make a quick profit.
It seems a ' bit absurd' that half the English and Welsh quota has been sold to EU fishing boats. We are ageuing over a quota which we don't even utilise now !
As far as trade is concerned buy it from EU and vice versa, you have absolute no knowledge of a trade deal
EU already buys about 70% of UK catch.
We then buy what we want from Iceland (the country) & Norway
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-norway-and-iceland-signtrade-continuity-agreement
We then buy what we want from Iceland (the country) & Norway
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-norway-and-iceland-signtrade-continuity-agreement
It's called a trade deal... Keep up...
They already have access, they want continuity like we do with access to the world's largest trading block.
Simples, eh?
P.S. You've forgotten the decimal point in your title.
P.S. You've forgotten the decimal point in your title.
That's what already happens, since we don't have markets for most of the fish we catch.
What we do eat, comes from Scandinavian waters.
What we do eat, comes from Scandinavian waters.
It begs the question did the fish vote for or against Brexit? Con or labour?
And what are your thoughts about the millions of pounds EU fishermen paid to British fishermen for their quota’s?
It could be to do with the fact that there are no clear/consice territorial waters with france, simply because the channel isn't wide enough to allow space for seperate territorial waters.
The EU have tried to help the UK. As usual an arrogant TORY government knows best (throughout history this has been the case) and fails the majority of the population.
Was ever thus and shows no sign of ever changing.
Was ever thus and shows no sign of ever changing.
The EU doesn’t want a level playing field it wants the North face of the Eiger!
It wants 750 Billion Euros not to count as state aid the money is filtered through the EU.
There is a term for this, it’s money laundering.
It wants 750 Billion Euros not to count as state aid the money is filtered through the EU.
There is a term for this, it’s money laundering.
Why do you think Junkers got the top job after making Luxembourg one of the biggest money laundering states in the world?
The illusion is finally fading.
Within hours the world will know if Britain has a worse deal than it had already, or no deal at all.
To those who will still deny reality to save face - Merry Christmas, and get stuffed.
Within hours the world will know if Britain has a worse deal than it had already, or no deal at all.
To those who will still deny reality to save face - Merry Christmas, and get stuffed.
And the same to you. Enjoy.
The EU is contemptible. When the uk gave up or was kicked out of its imperialism, we didn’t ask to be able to continue the plunder the natural resources of the places we left. If we did and i’m not aware of it, i apologise because that’s contemptible too. But here it is laid bare that is the EU’s agenda, to plunder resource.
No we complete did do that by implementing puppet administrations and ensuring that companies like Rio Tinto Zinc, BP and others had in perpetuity land and mineral rights.
Perhaps not overtly, but in common with other ex-imperialists, the UK continued to manipulate ex-colonies in support of its own interests, for example, its oil interests.
That doesn't apply to the remoaners of course!
Or too ignorant, lazy or arrogant to think about the ramifications.
That statement can be made both ways bds. Maybe folk who voted leave simply felt the best way forward was different to your opinion of what is the best way forward. Holding a different viewpoint does not mean someone must have been lied to. Your view that you must be right and others cannot hold a different view is a little arrogant, and just a bit fascist too
"Just a few more hours" before a new deadline is put in place, and another 2 weeks of getting nowhere begins all over again.
....easiest deal in history. Oven-ready.....repeat to obscurity.
Classic EU behaviour. They grind down democracy, because they don't respect it.
17.4 million Lievers must now be either:
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.
Get ready for another extension. Was it a 10 or 20 year extension to the transition period the EU were asking for at one point?
I understand the EU position, UK companies want access to EU areas and expect reciprocal agreements, but when its fishing those reciprocal agreements are denied by the UK
The negotiations will not get anywhere until the UK move position, and lets be clear here, conservative party's future is at stake here, no deal and the people of the UK will never forgive or forget who started - finished Brexit
The negotiations will not get anywhere until the UK move position, and lets be clear here, conservative party's future is at stake here, no deal and the people of the UK will never forgive or forget who started - finished Brexit
I'm afraid you're right. Apparently individual EU countries are talking of bypassing Barnier to keep talks going on and on.
They have until the 23rd Dec that's the final point the EU can vote on this. All the politicians know this, they're playing up for the cameras and their home teams.
You know why? Because the best deal was the one was had, the one where we were a paid up, voting member in the EU.. that's why they can't find a deal, we want all the benefits but give noting up to get the. It's insane. Bit not as insane as people in denial they they haven't been taken for a ride by the brexit party and Tories with endless lies
After 31st December UK stops the regular membership payments to the EU, I think deadlines will be pointless, if anyone wants a deal it will be continuing negotiations till they get a deal. The demands and competition of the business world will probably lead to deal in the end.
The same sticking points were there back in Feb. It will be no-deal. There is no time to look at the 1000+ pages before 31st Dec. No deal and Merry Christmas to everyone.
Ooh the benefits! Can't you just taste 'em?
The lorry drivers in today's 20 mile queue into Dover must be jigging up and down in anticipation now the party's getting started.
The lorry drivers in today's 20 mile queue into Dover must be jigging up and down in anticipation now the party's getting started.
Jigging up & down trying to find a loo.
No - they're jigging up & down 'cos they need the loo ;)
Yawn.
Ain't the new future Grand! Queues and congestion, air pollution, lorry parks on fields, food and meds shortages...I'm so glad some of you voted for this.
They are already queueing up and the ports are blocked so there won't be much change there.
And if it is the case they will trade elsewhere.
Freeports then they will bring the goods here, we have been there before it worked then it will work now.
And if it is the case they will trade elsewhere.
Freeports then they will bring the goods here, we have been there before it worked then it will work now.
The queues at the ports are due to the effects of Covid-19 around the world. Every country has these problems at present, even your's.
Assuming you were telling the truth , how long is the queue to get into Calais on the French side ? How long till NE France is gridlocked ?
As usual, a numpty stating the (unknown) obvious...... but ommiting the real factual reasons...... let's all despair.
No Queue in France then.Do you think we are going to pay for rotten held in France on its way here.
The lorry drivers are mainly European who have dropped product off in the UK. It is the EU that will suffer most if France blockade the UK a la Napoleon.
bit racist, what about the Lorry drivers in the Calais queue? You do know why the queue don't you? 50% more traffic through Calais than usual - so a Brexit bonus in these covid lock-down times. ;-)
They get more time to enjoy sovereign nation and the freedom to wait in a trffic jam for 8+hours before boarding.
Walk away now on WTO
It’s not perfect but it does establish a clean break...... for good or bad.
It’s ip to us as a country to pull together and make something of this mess.
It’s not perfect but it does establish a clean break...... for good or bad.
It’s ip to us as a country to pull together and make something of this mess.
Brexit is all about keeping UK politicians in a job.
All the benefits of being a member of the largest single market in the world are being lost.
All the benefits of being a member of the largest single market in the world are being lost.
Johnson will go down in history as the man the UK public were stupid enough to be anywhere near No.10. Our version of Trump, just as big a liar, just as incompetent and just as corrupt.
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That's a valid point of view, but I would ask the question - if BoJo really is half as inept/bad/corrupt as people like to claim, then how bad must the opposition have been for his party to have been voted into government?
Or are you of the view that the voters are too stupid to realise who they should have been voting for?
Or are you of the view that the voters are too stupid to realise who they should have been voting for?
yawn, either agree something or just shut up about it.
The USA economic model is not a bad one to follow from an economic success point of view. If the states of the USA were sovereign nations, they would make up the majority of countries in the G20.
UK will resemble an isolationist economy in a few years time, like say, North Korea, whilst EU on the other hand will continue to thrive.
UK will resemble an isolationist economy in a few years time, like say, North Korea, whilst EU on the other hand will continue to thrive.
Why not say nothing, then inform us when something has happened as its the same regurgitated nonsense every day with the NEW European Broadcasting Corporation EBC
Another brexit HYS where a infinitesimally small minority of the population, who have never meet shout the same things at one another, like they have done for over 4 years. lol
Looking down on freedom of speech is not a very attractive quality.
Imagine what a dump the UK would be if all the people were like that...
It's great fun
Going to be funnier next year and the year after
Going to be funnier next year and the year after
Well it remains something that significantly demands shouting about! Those who care, cannot just shrug, and walk away. It should not be happening! And, because this ludicrous, laughable government persists in driving us into Brexit oblivion, we have to address what we are going to do about it!
Can you write this in English please?
100% correct
Well people need to get more involved in local politics - I know it's distasteful but it's the only way that the deceitful don't get to become MPs.
You clearly keep coming back to read it.
UK will do fantastic after Brexit.
The exciting news is that UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand are on their way to forming a huge Commonwealth trade bloc along with USA, Japan and other friends around the world.
UK has signed 59 trade deals and deals with India and US are on the way too.
What exciting time to be alive as Global Britain moves forward?
The exciting news is that UK, Canada, Australia, India and New Zealand are on their way to forming a huge Commonwealth trade bloc along with USA, Japan and other friends around the world.
UK has signed 59 trade deals and deals with India and US are on the way too.
What exciting time to be alive as Global Britain moves forward?
We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible
Not going too well is it?
Not going too well is it?
Is this the first admission by the EU that it believes it is a sovereign entity i.e. the United States of Europe whose President is above its constituent nation state leaders?
More the first time it's been quite so obvious France and Germany are using the EC as a political shield - if it goes well, they'll take the credit, if it goes badly they'll let the Commission bureaucracy take the blame - hence the reason the Commission has been playing for no deal from day one, no upside to them in a 'pretty good' or 'win-win' deal.
It wouldn't work otherwise. The USA model is not a bad one to follow in any case from an economic success point of view. If the states of the USA were sovereign nations, they would make up the majority of countries in the G20.
UK will resemble an isolationist economy in a few years time, like say, North Korea,
UK will resemble an isolationist economy in a few years time, like say, North Korea,
Well done Sir, nailed it.
This is the logical progression from the Maastricht Treaty in 1993 which provides the framework for political union.
It was always the intention, Churchill was very keen on it in 1946 but the USA rather thwarted it by creating NATO in 1949.
Backstop was the EEC, achieve aim by bringing economies closer together.
Referendum in 1993 should have stopped this, didn't happen!
This is the logical progression from the Maastricht Treaty in 1993 which provides the framework for political union.
It was always the intention, Churchill was very keen on it in 1946 but the USA rather thwarted it by creating NATO in 1949.
Backstop was the EEC, achieve aim by bringing economies closer together.
Referendum in 1993 should have stopped this, didn't happen!
No.
They all get a vote on whether to condemn us back to obscurity, or not.
They all get a vote on whether to condemn us back to obscurity, or not.
Yes, wait until they change their name again to the European Democratic Republic. Then they can begin to centralise their operation back to Germany and do away with the old national goverments. All controlled by Elites who are not ellected by the people. In other words a Facist State, the 4th Reich!
Read up on pooled sovereignty. Every nation does it, and when we sign a trade deal with the US we will lose some of our sovereignty. We will have trade rights but will also have obligations we must follow. If you don't want to lose any sovereignty, then you are alone in the world.
Had the same thought when reading that the EU will retain it's sovereign right to......
Yes, I noticed that, EU sovereignty, this will send a shiver down the spines of lots of smaller EU countries.
Dream on.
von der Leyen has a higher status but no more power than Barnier.
She represents 27 nations that long ago agreed their common negotiating position - and its red lines.
Little room for manoeuvre as any one of them can veto a deal they don't like.
Boris has been pretty slow to grasp this.
von der Leyen has a higher status but no more power than Barnier.
She represents 27 nations that long ago agreed their common negotiating position - and its red lines.
Little room for manoeuvre as any one of them can veto a deal they don't like.
Boris has been pretty slow to grasp this.
The EU have no intention of agreeing a deal, it’s all about punishment for leaving.
what cant be done in a few years wont be done in a few hours ....move along nothing to see here
17.4 million Lievers must now be either:
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.
Probably by now the use of pejorative terms like 'gammon' 'remoaner' 'brexitard' should be treated as hate crime. I hope for all our sakes a level of respect and co-operation can return within this country and with others in the EU/rest of the world otherwise we have all lost.
You seem to be implying that the hateful remarks are emanating from within this country. But bear in mind it is easy for an agent from St Putinsburg, Paris, Berlin, New York or elsewhere to post their divisive comments here.
17M Lievers will now be feeling:
1. Stupid, as they realise they were lied to, conned, hoodwinked by Farage and Bozon.
2. Desperate, as they are forced to become ever more dissonant, seeking to defend their indefensible, senseless, poor choice to dispense with all the advantages of trading with the most powerful, wealthiest, nearest trading bloc next door.
1. Stupid, as they realise they were lied to, conned, hoodwinked by Farage and Bozon.
2. Desperate, as they are forced to become ever more dissonant, seeking to defend their indefensible, senseless, poor choice to dispense with all the advantages of trading with the most powerful, wealthiest, nearest trading bloc next door.
Very difficult to rebuild unity. I suspect the Brexit issue will become like Irish partition in Ireland and Scottish Nationalism in Scotland the dividing line of English politics and English politics will become increasingly bitter as in the Celtic countries. Does not help that Boris is oblivious to the problem.
Unfortunately I think that respect and especially co-operation returning to this country are about as likely as Travis catching the Liberator. Like America we are massively divided and too caught up in jingoistic nonsense to see the wood for the trees.
Completely agree.. It's nice that some of the top comments are actually like this, down the middle & just wanting a fair deal and an end to the hate.
We need to move forward together.
Blame on both sides but both sides want a deal.
Sadly top comment is still a ridiculous remain-tinted farce but there have been leave comments just as bad.
We're leaving & majority voted for it so let's move on.
We need to move forward together.
Blame on both sides but both sides want a deal.
Sadly top comment is still a ridiculous remain-tinted farce but there have been leave comments just as bad.
We're leaving & majority voted for it so let's move on.
I suppose the term "remoaner" just implied a person wanted to remain but moaned about it a lot, hardly hate crime is it. In any case "remainer/remoaner" don't apply anymore as one can't remain in a place they have already left?
Definitely a nice change to have a sensible comment instead of the usual hatred - and patronising comments from remain and wind-up comments from Brexiters.
I don't believe Brexit is a root cause of increased divisiveness, but it's a topic that shows it up. It's creeping into society in general, with people increasingly bigoted in their views and less tolerant of those who think differently.
I don't believe Brexit is a root cause of increased divisiveness, but it's a topic that shows it up. It's creeping into society in general, with people increasingly bigoted in their views and less tolerant of those who think differently.
The damage is done. You voted for a duplicitous, divisive, xenophobic, incompetent Govt., who have no intention to heal, only to start blame wars to cover their inhuman, self-enriching agenda - they can't even feed the country's children, and seem to be proud of it.
Both sides of the Brexit divide feel the other is working against their interests. But your Govt. is working against all of you.
Both sides of the Brexit divide feel the other is working against their interests. But your Govt. is working against all of you.
Only one of those has the racist, sexist and ageist basis to qualify for hate crime status - but as it's the left who like using it the Beeb will continue allowing it.
What... how is it a hate crime to use these phrases, gammons and remoaners are not a protected group by the UKs own human rights laws and being a member of either group does not denote your full political ideology, age, disabilty, race, religion or sexual orientation.
Don't be such a snowflake
Don't be such a snowflake
Most name calling is from EU nationals. Not dirty remoaners. (I'm joking)
I'll continue to call people out for their short-sighted xenophobia, and Gammons they shall stay. Uneducated, wetherspoons-dwelling troglodytes the lot of em.
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The division was created when the losing side refused to accept the democratic vote
And judging by the posts on this site continues to today
And judging by the posts on this site continues to today
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Federation Commander Travis! It important it’s seen
Federation Commander Travis! It important it’s seen
No need to be such a snowflake. I for one will never forgive the damage Brexiteers are bringing on our country
Or snowflake, woke, commie, fascist, nazi, traytor
Or we accept HYS supports robust debate. I think BBC get it about right - a little name-calling does no-one any harm
As a firm opponent of the harm this Brexit nonsense is causing UK & also an older male white person, I don't mind being called any of these terms - I know who & what I am some random stranger shouting idiocy is of no account
Or we accept HYS supports robust debate. I think BBC get it about right - a little name-calling does no-one any harm
As a firm opponent of the harm this Brexit nonsense is causing UK & also an older male white person, I don't mind being called any of these terms - I know who & what I am some random stranger shouting idiocy is of no account
The country is lost, the UK will limp along for a decade at best, my money is on Irish reunification very soon in the case of no deal and Scottish independance vote in less than two years. RIP United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland killing by the Conservative and Unionist Party. Can't wait personally, the very end of the empire is within grasp.
We have all lost. The damage (not least a divided country) is done and cannot be undone. It is too late.
Dream on, no level playing field when it comes to that! Remainers would justify the terms you list as being "fair comment" and that the people they are directed at "deserve it". They are "other". Not like us. Deplorables. Won't find them in Waitrose. Seems like the BBC moderators share the same view given their relaxed approach to such comments.
I agree. I saw someone use the phrase 'whitewashed' yesterday. Surely that can be added to the list of offensive terms.
Fingers crossed!
The simple issue here is that the UK is no longer negotiating with the EU. It is negotiating with France. This is a French position that is of secondary importance to most EU Member States.
Only the French could possibly believe that the EU's position on fisheries is remotely reasonable!
The EU is the creation of the French political elite and continues to behave that way.
Only the French could possibly believe that the EU's position on fisheries is remotely reasonable!
The EU is the creation of the French political elite and continues to behave that way.
Which is a total lie ...
Classic Frenchie bashing. Some say Brexit is a futile attempt to take us back to the 1950s. In fact, it's a futile attempt to take us back to the 1800s. Wellington, Nelson, that bloke Sean Bean played on TV, all giving the frogs a damn good thrashing. Meanwhile, in the real world, the French are our partners in scientific and industrial endeavours that are now at risk because of mindless jingoism.
Spot on! You must have lived in France or worked with them at some point. I'm a total Francophile but find it pathetic they can't get rid of that massive chip against us Brits. I voted Remain by the way but after my experiences with these goons would have voted the other way
BIG WRONG! LOOK UP WHAT DEAR OLD MAGGIE DID - She created "Single Market" so that UK will have "unfettered access to all EU countries">
Helps to read and UNDERSTAND history!
Helps to read and UNDERSTAND history!
I thought most of the fish quotas went to Spain and Poland?
The guillotine dodgers then?
Macron has been told to keep his nose out, after giving Barnier instructions lest week. Merkel also has stated that she is not getting personally involved. But if you believe all that .....
But wait a minute, i was led to believe that the UK, within the EU, had no democratic influence...so our elected officials always had influence, well that's a game changer!
NO
It was created by Germany & France to prevent another war
Now then, stop talking xenophobic rubbish
It was created by Germany & France to prevent another war
Now then, stop talking xenophobic rubbish
Actually, anything decided now has to be approved by the EU members and UK government. So while France may have a bigger stake in fishing, beware that there are other EU members who are looking at voting no. Why might that be? A no deal means a lot of companies will move out of the UK and into the EU and that is good for EU business.
I remember the days when France said Non, non to get us into the Single Market. If in the future we will want to join the club, it will be another, non, non.
Wrong on so many counts. I think Konrad Adenauer of Germany has something to do with the creation of the EU.
That's raw French hatred!
Soooooo, will Boris the invincible be forced into Brino to save country, or will he again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory ?
Same time, same place, next week ............................
Same time, same place, next week ............................
So the Tories are incapable of negotiating the easiest deal in human history.
Pee-up and brewery spring to mind.
Pee-up and brewery spring to mind.
Funny how it turned out they were actually anti semite. If they lied about that what else are they lying about?
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Please learn how to spell Darth. They say "ignorance is bliss", you must be happy a lot of the time?
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It must be great to be so wise and far-seeing, compared with the stupid electorate of 35 million people.
What an utterly hateful comment. How can one be 'too busy' to call out a dangerous form of racism ingrained within the political elite? And why would this be the reason the electorate neglected to heed your co called warnings? May you are an apologist for antisemites? Or just an ignoramus?
On BBC news this morning.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling.
Counter argument HMG should use. The individual countries stick to state subsidies rule and Westminster provide similar to what Brussels provides. Bet they don’t like that
Since when has the UK ever provided state aid anyway? Normaly just lets companies colapse or move abroad. Anyway gov. is broke now.
The EU relief fund goes to help regions in the form of road infrastructure etc..and not companies. This is the major difference
You do realise the US Govt took the EU to the WTO and put tarriffs on UK gods over state aid to Airbus?
This 'unacceptable EU demand' is basically the same the UK has been asking for in the negotiations all along: unilateral right to not keep to EU rules of standards/state aid allowing UK to undercut the EU, while still wanting tariff-free access to SM. Refusal by the EU to accept this was called 'fear of UK competition'. Now the EU asks something similar, UK finds it 'unacceptable'. See a pattern?
The direct subsidies from EU most commonly are infrastructure investment in areas of deprivation. For instance EU has funded roads and forestry in the highlands.
This chart is quite an eye-opener if you want to see what a level playing field looks like:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/charts/total-state-aid
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/charts/total-state-aid
The reason talks failed is because the english are obtuse... end of. Mate.
Shows the fickle, dishonest even, nature of the EU.
Such a good thing we left on 31 Jan this year.
Such a good thing we left on 31 Jan this year.
Perhaps they should have thought about that before calling a referendum. Nothing has changed since 2016!
Lol,
you believed that did you?
still falling for the ol "its that horrible EUs fault"
Pathetic.
you believed that did you?
still falling for the ol "its that horrible EUs fault"
Pathetic.
Very good point, but remember the U.K. is not famous for giving state aid; whereas the French and the Germans do as they like!
Level playing field means the same level. Is it too difficult to absorb?
The EU's position is not dissimilar to that of the UK, which distributes funds to the devolved nations all the time.
Unregulated state aid gives an unfair trading advantage. Both the EU and WTO do not allow this. They allow regulated and agreed state aid, to ensure mutual benefit to the trading bloc, and not to individual countries outside of the rules.
You mean like very high sub-state ownership of the French railways?
The EU never thought about a level playing field with Freedom of Movement when they devised a scheme that allowed millions of workers on a fraction of UK minimum wage the right to roam and flood the UK with cheap Labour.
See Boeing V Airbus and maybe you'll work it out.
If the UK subsidizes e.g. steel like China and floods the EU market, it is unfair to those in the EU who are not subsidized. That results in retaliations and trade wars on all sides
If the UK subsidizes e.g. steel like China and floods the EU market, it is unfair to those in the EU who are not subsidized. That results in retaliations and trade wars on all sides
Individual states have already ploughed billions into keeping certain sectors alive, during the pandemic. Then there aer ways round these rules, such as the French state maintaining a % share of companies such as EDF and Air France, so they can legally provide them with support as necessary.
But EU say member state can subside right? Maybe I am not getting it
Scott 100% - I have advised in this area for 20 years and worried about the news blackout all week diverting attention to fisheries, a far smaller concern- Boris has already given away our ability to compete freely in negotiations - as we cannot accept such a deal we can today agree that there will be no deal. As someone who voted for Boris - I blame him for conceding and not being transparent.
Yes, you couldn't make it up.
We can't give state aid. But the EU can.
This is an example of why we needed a clean break from the EU.
We can't give state aid. But the EU can.
This is an example of why we needed a clean break from the EU.
The vast majority of people see a 'level Playing Field' rather like a see-saw with the same weight on each end.
The EU see 'level' as being 20 stone -- themselves-- on one end and 10 stone -- everybody else --- on the other.
To the EU 'State Aid is allowable if it benefits an entity WITHIN the EU but if the UK, or anyone else, want to hand out support then it is 'Unfair' & 'Inappropriate'.
The EU see 'level' as being 20 stone -- themselves-- on one end and 10 stone -- everybody else --- on the other.
To the EU 'State Aid is allowable if it benefits an entity WITHIN the EU but if the UK, or anyone else, want to hand out support then it is 'Unfair' & 'Inappropriate'.
Just because you type it on the screen doesn't make it true
We are deliberately cutting ourselves off from receiving EU aid
We are deliberately cutting ourselves off from receiving EU aid
The EU Dictatorship's idea of a "level playing field" is one that slopes steeply in their favour!
There is no chance of a Deal:-
- anything acceptable to the UK will be vetoed by France
- anything acceptable to the French will be unacceptable to the UK
There is no chance of a Deal:-
- anything acceptable to the UK will be vetoed by France
- anything acceptable to the French will be unacceptable to the UK
And again if independent state they are not limited by EU state subsidy, or fishing rules.
Try getting your view from somewhere other than the tabloids - EU funding - i.e. CAP, regional development programmes, environmental protections, money to alleviate deprivation etc. - is paid to all member states and is one of the primary purposes of the EU. It is ironic that while the UK was a member, Brexiteers were moaning that the UK didn't get its fair share
The EU doesn’t want a level playing field it wants the North face of the Eiger!
It wants 750 Billion Euros not to count as state aid the money is filtered through the EU.
There is a term for this, it’s money laundering.
It wants 750 Billion Euros not to count as state aid the money is filtered through the EU.
There is a term for this, it’s money laundering.
The EU is contemptible. When the uk gave up or was kicked out of its imperialism, we didn’t ask to be able to continue the plunder the natural resources of the places we left. If we did and i’m not aware of it, i apologise because that’s contemptible too. But here it is laid bare that is the EU’s agenda, to plunder resource.
Transition extension is the only sane option at this stage.... shame our government are insane.
And why do you think more time will make any difference. The reason there is no deal is because of the EU’s ludicrous demands, dragging things out will not change their position. We cannot accept what is on the table and no deal is the only option, so the sooner we get on and build a post Brexit Britain the better.
Goodness me the keyboard socialists are all sat at home this morning instead of doing their bit.
Are you all UNICEF sponsored?
Are you all UNICEF sponsored?
And are you as ignorant as Mogg.
Go through the right channels by talking to Frost. It is what Brussels want !!
"Just hours remaining" the LIAR is at it again. Give them nothing Boris
Macron has gone into hiding, where is your Veto now? Remoaners are not all there he threatens to veto and remoaners cheer who needs a negotiator lol?