Future of economy 'unusually uncertain', warns Bank of England
17/12/2020 | news | business | 323
The Bank of England says trying to predict economic progress is hampered by a lack of a Brexit deal.
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17/12/2020 14:57:12 8 7
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Which bright spark at the Bank of England managed to work that one out?
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17/12/2020 15:05:06 3 3
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If you think you could do better, I'm sure they'd welcome your advice - they need a laugh as much as the rest of us!
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17/12/2020 14:57:12 59 36
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Not helped by being the only country to impose sanctions on itself through the biggest scam ever - Brexit.
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17/12/2020 15:30:35 27 32
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Scam ... lol dear me.
What are you going to do about it apart from moan about it? Absolutely nothing!
If you only managed to persuade 16million out of 46million possible voters to vote to Remain in the EU then frankly you only have yourselves to blame.
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17/12/2020 16:14:54 1 6
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yawn.
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18/12/2020 00:33:21 0 0
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But helped by not having to pay billions for 'free trade' or being asked to chip in to save Southern Europe - which is going to be a very interesting place over the coming months, sink or swim? The ECB and EU must be having nightmares.
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MVP
17/12/2020 14:57:16 51 30
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Corona virus is affecting every country on Earth

Unfortunately Brexit is an act of self harm that will only have a detrimental impact on the United Kingdom.

How have we allowed this to happen?
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:16:32 41 37
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There was a democratic vote, but following 2-3 years of self destruction by Remoaners that significantly weakened & undermined our negotiations, we had another democratic vote in which the Remoaners were all bar thrown out of Parliament

We're now having to deal with the result of that. Had we left 3 years ago we'd already be 3 years into building & cementing sensible trading arrangements
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17/12/2020 15:27:58 7 14
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Ask the Remain camp how after 40 years EU membership they only managed to persuade 16million out of a possible 46million voters to vote to Remain in the EU.
Yes, exactly how did YOU allow it to happen.
Stop blaming others for your own failings.
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17/12/2020 16:18:44 6 3
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Because 17.4 million adults in a democratic country voted for it, mate.! Hard luck if you needed up on the losing side.
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17/12/2020 21:25:46 0 0
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You remember David Cameron, don’t you? The chap who decided a referendum would be a good wheeze.
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18/12/2020 00:34:59 0 0
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The only self-harm was inflicted by you and your ilk, but fear not, you are a declining rump, and in a few weeks, I doubt even the BBC will be providing you with a safe-space to whinge in.
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17/12/2020 14:57:18 5 3
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And the occupant of 221b Baker Street is severely constipated!!!
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17/12/2020 14:58:26 53 12
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The economy will be fine, we've weathered economic storms before, we'll weather this one. We have good infrastructure and some great people in the UK. We just need good leadership to bring it all together.....

hmmm....

about that....
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17/12/2020 16:14:39 26 0
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Unfortunately all politicians from all parties are in it for themselves and very rarely have any expertise in any field.
We should vote for policies, not politicians imho
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17/12/2020 17:13:41 2 1
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Be careful what you wish for. Labour have an unrivalled record in trashing the economy.
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17/12/2020 14:59:02 19 6
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Unusually uncertain. I suppose that this is a step up from the everyday uncertainty which Brexit has given us these last five years. Presumably, the Brexit diviedend will take us back to everyday uncertainty in January?
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17/12/2020 16:17:18 3 11
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There are so many cheerful and optimistic people like you.
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17/12/2020 21:27:44 0 0
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‘Radical uncertainty’ was the phrase of a previous governor, Mervyn King. Perhaps more governments and politicians generally should attend to this concept.
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17/12/2020 14:59:06 23 11
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"It said new coronavirus vaccines boded well for long-term growth, but that a recent jump in cases would drag on the recovery."

You hear that Covidiots, as cases rise due to people flouting the rules, the economy dips

"Uncertainty over the future UK-EU trading relationship also clouded the outlook, it added."

The throw in the brexit argument

2021 is going to be tough
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17/12/2020 15:10:45 19 14
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I believe a lot of 'COVIDIOTS' would have liked the ability to choose 1% risk over nanystate regulation, choose small business over big, choose not to be bailed out by nannystate furlough schemes which in debt our children for generations to come. The future is to be blamed solely on those who enabled heavy media fear mongers and governments to capitalise in on that fear.
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17/12/2020 14:59:51 9 12
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Cue classic project fear, what do they know, Bank of England are a bunch of remoaners responses
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17/12/2020 15:07:05 5 2
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"what do they know"

A lot more than you I suspect
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17/12/2020 15:00:18 12 12
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Obviously factual statement but this hides the real menace in that even a minor tweak upwards in interest rates in the future will render the current UK unable to meet its debt payments on the near £3 trillion debt mountain Comrade Rishi has racked up.

With Brexit coming & Scotland departing the future of the current UK is looking particularly bleak.

Perhaps BoJo should make way now?
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17/12/2020 15:06:46 7 1
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Yeah but which Joker do we replace him with? There is not one person or party in the whole of the UK as it stands that is a credible. Its all spin and weak populism with nobody prepared to lead and make decisions which benefit the whole country for longer than a five year term without an eye on re election.
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17/12/2020 15:12:19 1 2
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Scotland departing will be a good thing, as it's a drain on resources, especially now that oil is so last year.
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17/12/2020 16:22:27 0 0
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Hard luck, mate. Johnson has a majority of 80 seats and there is no election until 2024. There will be no second Scottish referendum.

Why is the UK so full of people who hate their own country, like you, or are they all on the BBC?
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17/12/2020 15:01:23 47 20
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"Unusually" doesn't really cover it. "Uniquely" would be better. The whole Covid effect, plus the self-inflicted Brexit craziness, plus a government that has no previous experience of dealing with one crisis let alone two major ones ..... yeah... "Uniquely" would be far more accurate.
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17/12/2020 16:13:20 19 35
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Brexit will lead to increase prosperity. The EU will descend into inward-looking craziness.
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17/12/2020 16:25:37 3 3
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Agreed. Boris was voted in to finish the Brexit farce and keep Corbyn out of No. 10. Like most governments, Covid floored them.
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18/12/2020 00:31:28 0 0
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Nor do you cover it, the Covid effect is destroying the global economy, try looking at Europe for a start, unless of course you wish to claim the disaster over there is due to Brexit as well, in which case it has hurt them more than it hurt us.
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17/12/2020 15:01:36 0 9
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Not in Herefordshire.
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17/12/2020 15:05:35 0 1
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We've done alright but there's plenty in hospitality that's struggling.
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17/12/2020 15:02:06 20 20
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Brexit is and will continue to ruin the UK economy...permanently.
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17/12/2020 15:14:52 4 8
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Can't ruin what was already trashed by decades of abuse.
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17/12/2020 15:25:21 2 3
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Permanently .... Really?... Where is your evidence to prove that?
Stop making things up you can't prove.
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17/12/2020 15:02:15 84 9
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“It said new coronavirus vaccines boded well for long-term growth, but that a recent jump in cases would drag on the recovery.”

Alternatively, we should be debating an alternative to the impossible concept of infinite growth and focus on sustainability. Infinite growth is causing climate change, other environmental damage and arguably this pandemic as well (and a risk factor for future ones).
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17/12/2020 15:10:13 38 3
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In short they haven't got a scoobie,
And frankly I'm not surprised.

Big thumbs up to the dangerous idea of infinite economic growth btw.
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EB
17/12/2020 15:30:43 9 1
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Absolutely. The concept of fast infinite growth being the only way to advance people in society has been thrown into question since the 80s. It doesn’t take into account the fact that millions remain in poverty and that inequality has been consistently rising. There needs to be a new approach that improves standards of living and doesn’t lead to the destruction of the entire ecosystem.
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17/12/2020 15:38:11 6 1
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Economic growth doesn't inherently require consumption of more resources - we could instead use existing resources more efficiently. For example, renewable energy is on the verge of becoming cheaper than fossil fuels - that's a win both for the environment and the broader economy as it means people can spend more elsewhere instead.
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17/12/2020 15:57:31 7 2
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Absolutely mate, Sustainability should be the goal rather than endless 'growth'
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17/12/2020 16:23:20 2 1
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As long as the rest of the developed world comes along with us on a low growth path. Not keen on being on a hairshirt ride if the rest of the world are on an economic roll. Nice idea, but..................
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17/12/2020 16:26:41 6 0
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Infinite economic growth is mostly a myth as you have inflation to balance it out, meaning you are always "growing" yet unseen is also the decline at the same time meaning you can't simply stop and live on what you've earned but have to keep working.

It's been turned on its head since the 90s though, they replaced inflation with mass immigration, so we literally are always "growing".
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17/12/2020 18:23:27 1 0
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The damage this pandemic has caused to the global economy has yet to be calculated, let alone reported. Govts are shouldering unheard of levels of debt trying to keep their economies alive, but businesses continue to fold and jobs are being lost. Global depression beckons as consumers become the commodity in short supply.

If you're looking for what's coming next, think tariffs and protectionism.
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18/12/2020 01:41:23 0 0
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When the population keeps growing, why shouldn't the economy? If it doesn't, future generations are going to be a lot worse off.
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17/12/2020 15:04:17 9 8
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The collective leadership of the world has locked us down and destroyed the global economy. Thanks for stating the obvious, Bank of England!
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17/12/2020 15:06:59 7 7
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You'd rather have the plebs dying of Covid, would you, your Sirness?
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17/12/2020 15:04:34 25 6
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I'd say it's pretty certain, to be honest: London to become most prominent tax haven of the world and corporate tax breaks abound, while most wages stagnate, wealth divide increases and poverty levels explode (until the definition of poverty is changed and all is well again, of course).

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary from the mind of any respected economists, feel free to share.
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18/12/2020 00:45:54 1 0
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'Respected Economist' - LOL that's an oxymoron.
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17/12/2020 15:04:38 1 8
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What do the economists at
BoE LSE IMF IFS IOD even USA treasury know ? Johnson has told us the economy will be fine. Lord he graduated in English and the classics what he does not know about our economy is not worth knowing. All the brexiters sat in the pub have explained why the economy is going to do fine. Why does the BoE need to worry. We are in Farages and Johnson’s good hands.
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17/12/2020 14:57:12 8 7
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Which bright spark at the Bank of England managed to work that one out?
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17/12/2020 15:05:06 3 3
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If you think you could do better, I'm sure they'd welcome your advice - they need a laugh as much as the rest of us!
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DrR
17/12/2020 15:05:19 4 3
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Wow the BoE are really on the ball. I would have thought just about everyone in the country aged 11 an upwards could see the future is uncertain, but I guess we don't have their insight.

Must be a bit of a slack news day.
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17/12/2020 15:05:32 13 14
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It needs to be said we are destroying the economy to protect people which will probably only have a few more years to live.
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17/12/2020 15:22:47 11 4
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You sound like you probably have a list of people who you would rather the country didn't protect or look out for ... exactly how long is your list and how many deaths would you accept per 1% of GDP growth?
Easier for you to attack vulnerable people than address the root causes of the issue eh? Yeah, thought so fella
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17/12/2020 15:23:54 6 3
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Brexiters? Yes I see your point.
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17/12/2020 15:29:30 5 2
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So you have no elderly friends or relatives, I take it?

Or are you waiting for the reading of the will...
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17/12/2020 15:29:45 5 1
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So by your logic, a 12 year old with untreatable cancer, given 6 months to live by the doctors, should be given a lethal injection instead of wasting all that money on palliative and hospice care
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17/12/2020 15:37:42 2 2
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I can see you were educated at Eton. Or rather, uneducated at Eton.
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17/12/2020 15:54:17 0 1
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I guess you are not one of them?
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17/12/2020 16:42:43 0 1
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Don't believe in it other than a rebranded flu.
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17/12/2020 21:49:09 0 0
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If people are of age and of sound mind they - we - ought to be able to take their own risks, as long as they keep out of others’ way and do not put them at risk. Someone of 75 who wishes to go to the theatre - or teach a ballet class at a dance studio, ought to have been allowed to do so.
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17/12/2020 15:01:36 0 9
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Not in Herefordshire.
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17/12/2020 15:05:35 0 1
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We've done alright but there's plenty in hospitality that's struggling.
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17/12/2020 15:04:24 9 13
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Compared to the economic carnage caused by mindless lockdowns, tier restrictions and crazy quarantines, a no deal Brexit is just a really tiny hiccup.
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17/12/2020 15:12:10 9 4
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Sure, keep deluding yourself.
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17/12/2020 15:05:00 24 15
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This is news that will surprise most of us, we thought locking down a whole country for a 0.5 % death rate would set the grounds for a booming economy. And Boris's (sorry Carrie's) big plans for the future, a green industrial revolution. What could go wrong, and what a great time to take the risk.
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17/12/2020 15:18:59 25 16
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Oh dear , another person in denial over Covid. Just hope you're OK if you catch it and don't need a precious NHS bed
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17/12/2020 15:06:29 25 8
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The Bank of England masters the art of stating the obvious!
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17/12/2020 15:09:24 22 3
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Sometimes you -need- people to point out the blindingly obvious - our glorious leaders don't seem to see it...
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17/12/2020 15:00:18 12 12
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Obviously factual statement but this hides the real menace in that even a minor tweak upwards in interest rates in the future will render the current UK unable to meet its debt payments on the near £3 trillion debt mountain Comrade Rishi has racked up.

With Brexit coming & Scotland departing the future of the current UK is looking particularly bleak.

Perhaps BoJo should make way now?
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17/12/2020 15:06:46 7 1
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Yeah but which Joker do we replace him with? There is not one person or party in the whole of the UK as it stands that is a credible. Its all spin and weak populism with nobody prepared to lead and make decisions which benefit the whole country for longer than a five year term without an eye on re election.
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17/12/2020 15:04:17 9 8
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The collective leadership of the world has locked us down and destroyed the global economy. Thanks for stating the obvious, Bank of England!
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17/12/2020 15:06:59 7 7
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You'd rather have the plebs dying of Covid, would you, your Sirness?
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17/12/2020 15:08:19 1 4
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Lock downs are working, are they?
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17/12/2020 14:59:51 9 12
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Cue classic project fear, what do they know, Bank of England are a bunch of remoaners responses
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17/12/2020 15:07:05 5 2
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"what do they know"

A lot more than you I suspect
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17/12/2020 16:49:56 0 0
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Whoosh...that was my point ??
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17/12/2020 15:08:00 45 17
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What they mean is the Government have destroyed the economy with their response to Covid, primarily.
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17/12/2020 15:12:51 14 8
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Yeah just ignore the other 15 years or so and the £1,800,000,000,000 + debt.
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17/12/2020 15:15:27 0 2
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I love they way people use terms like "destroyed" with no idea of the facts. In October we were 7.9% below February!
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:19:23 1 6
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yep, that and pretty much every country/government around the world, or.... just thinking aloud...could it possibly be that all share the same common denominator, i.e. a 'Global Pandemic'

If you think it's better in France, Germany, USA, then sod off there then!
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17/12/2020 15:57:12 2 1
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It's you and me they plan to destroy not their economy, as with all reports always read the last page.....inflation will be more than any 2% more like 7% to reduce this debt by eating up our savings and pension money while trousering increased profits due to price rise boosting.
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17/12/2020 16:14:15 2 4
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Sure, we would have been much better off in this crisis with a Corbyn government, wouldn't we?
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17/12/2020 16:28:59 0 1
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IIRC there was no financial crash in 2007, it was purely the labour government being incompetent.

Likewise this is nothing to do with covid and everything to do with our government being ultra incompetent.
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17/12/2020 15:06:59 7 7
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You'd rather have the plebs dying of Covid, would you, your Sirness?
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17/12/2020 15:08:19 1 4
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Lock downs are working, are they?
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17/12/2020 15:15:41 3 2
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Why did the death rate drop by a factor of roughly 50 from April to July, if a thorough lockdown doesn't work?
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:08:59 66 11
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The future of the UK's economy is "unusually uncertain"

No S*** Sherlock!!

I'm glad we pay these people huge salaries to come up with these pearls of wisdom
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17/12/2020 16:12:36 12 2
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Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well said AMc.
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17/12/2020 16:20:51 1 1
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Boris and Co should have done the negotiations first and THEN approve the withdrawal agreement.

As usual outright lies and bluster won out.

Easy when you have a hopeless opposition incapable of putting up any concerted opposition to anything.
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17/12/2020 16:58:21 1 0
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You had this advice for free 5 years ago, all us remainers told you this would happen, but you believed Bojo...
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TV
17/12/2020 20:50:45 0 0
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The future of the UK is even more debt, lol
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17/12/2020 15:06:29 25 8
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The Bank of England masters the art of stating the obvious!
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17/12/2020 15:09:24 22 3
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Sometimes you -need- people to point out the blindingly obvious - our glorious leaders don't seem to see it...
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17/12/2020 15:02:15 84 9
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“It said new coronavirus vaccines boded well for long-term growth, but that a recent jump in cases would drag on the recovery.”

Alternatively, we should be debating an alternative to the impossible concept of infinite growth and focus on sustainability. Infinite growth is causing climate change, other environmental damage and arguably this pandemic as well (and a risk factor for future ones).
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17/12/2020 15:10:13 38 3
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In short they haven't got a scoobie,
And frankly I'm not surprised.

Big thumbs up to the dangerous idea of infinite economic growth btw.
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17/12/2020 15:10:19 2 3
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Well the only certainty is the BOE are absolutely useless at predictions (inflation anyone) and just keep repeating the failed policies.

See the New Governor did a cracking job at FCA "again"

Just as predictable that as London put in Teir 3 more money would be coming, the BOE will be wasting another £150,000,000,000 - £250,000,000,000 of our money in QE
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17/12/2020 14:59:06 23 11
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"It said new coronavirus vaccines boded well for long-term growth, but that a recent jump in cases would drag on the recovery."

You hear that Covidiots, as cases rise due to people flouting the rules, the economy dips

"Uncertainty over the future UK-EU trading relationship also clouded the outlook, it added."

The throw in the brexit argument

2021 is going to be tough
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17/12/2020 15:10:45 19 14
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I believe a lot of 'COVIDIOTS' would have liked the ability to choose 1% risk over nanystate regulation, choose small business over big, choose not to be bailed out by nannystate furlough schemes which in debt our children for generations to come. The future is to be blamed solely on those who enabled heavy media fear mongers and governments to capitalise in on that fear.
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17/12/2020 15:23:58 6 7
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Health experts have one mission aim to reduce deaths. However they do not understand each day the economy does not produce income the less in the future for the NHS.
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17/12/2020 16:38:05 6 1
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Jesus christ... its a piece of fabric and a bit of social distance and people seem to think they are being persecuted worse than anyone has ever been persecuted. Plus your choice to not follow guidelines means you are actively endangering the lives of others.... which for other things like driving are heavily regulated but you never argue about that now do you... bloody snowflakes
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17/12/2020 17:16:15 0 1
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Nanny state. Please don't wear a seatbelt. Make a stand!
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17/12/2020 15:11:50 7 4
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"The future of the UK's economy is "unusually uncertain", the Bank of England has said".

Top prize for stating the blindingly obvious goes to ... the BoE!
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17/12/2020 15:04:24 9 13
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Compared to the economic carnage caused by mindless lockdowns, tier restrictions and crazy quarantines, a no deal Brexit is just a really tiny hiccup.
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17/12/2020 15:12:10 9 4
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Sure, keep deluding yourself.
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17/12/2020 15:00:18 12 12
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Obviously factual statement but this hides the real menace in that even a minor tweak upwards in interest rates in the future will render the current UK unable to meet its debt payments on the near £3 trillion debt mountain Comrade Rishi has racked up.

With Brexit coming & Scotland departing the future of the current UK is looking particularly bleak.

Perhaps BoJo should make way now?
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17/12/2020 15:12:19 1 2
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Scotland departing will be a good thing, as it's a drain on resources, especially now that oil is so last year.
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Here is how the global financial system actually works and who is changing the system to stop the central banks, world bank, BIS and IMF etc from harvesting your money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfyc7_k4RPA Removed
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17/12/2020 15:08:00 45 17
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What they mean is the Government have destroyed the economy with their response to Covid, primarily.
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17/12/2020 15:12:51 14 8
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Yeah just ignore the other 15 years or so and the £1,800,000,000,000 + debt.
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18/12/2020 00:29:42 0 0
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OK , how about, Labour and Tory Governments have destroyed the UK with debt?
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17/12/2020 15:02:06 20 20
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Brexit is and will continue to ruin the UK economy...permanently.
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17/12/2020 15:14:52 4 8
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Can't ruin what was already trashed by decades of abuse.
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17/12/2020 15:15:00 7 13
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Brexit will be our saviour.
Removed
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17/12/2020 15:08:00 45 17
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What they mean is the Government have destroyed the economy with their response to Covid, primarily.
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17/12/2020 15:15:27 0 2
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I love they way people use terms like "destroyed" with no idea of the facts. In October we were 7.9% below February!
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17/12/2020 15:08:19 1 4
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Lock downs are working, are they?
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17/12/2020 15:15:41 3 2
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Why did the death rate drop by a factor of roughly 50 from April to July, if a thorough lockdown doesn't work?
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17/12/2020 15:22:48 1 2
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Summertime.
Notice how it's rising again in November? All around the northern hemisphere - even where strict lock downs are imposed, notice? No, I didn't think you would.
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MVP
17/12/2020 14:57:16 51 30
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Corona virus is affecting every country on Earth

Unfortunately Brexit is an act of self harm that will only have a detrimental impact on the United Kingdom.

How have we allowed this to happen?
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:16:32 41 37
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There was a democratic vote, but following 2-3 years of self destruction by Remoaners that significantly weakened & undermined our negotiations, we had another democratic vote in which the Remoaners were all bar thrown out of Parliament

We're now having to deal with the result of that. Had we left 3 years ago we'd already be 3 years into building & cementing sensible trading arrangements
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17/12/2020 15:42:59 9 5
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For a vote to be democratic it needs to be legal. There are 4 rules that need to be satisfied for the referendum or election to be legal: transparency in donations, expenditure, 3rd party campaigning and no foreign govt interference. 1st and 2nd were breached with both parities fined. That in itself rules referendum out. 3rd and 4th also breached - so not democratic really. Just criminal acts.
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17/12/2020 15:43:41 7 4
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So if we had done terrible damage to our country 3 years ago, we would be 3 years into mitigating some of the pointless damage we did in the first place rather then democratically allow people to have a reasonable debate about whether we should be inflicting pointless damage on ourselves at all?

Yeah, sounds legit.
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17/12/2020 16:19:15 4 3
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Absolutely right.
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17/12/2020 16:20:00 9 3
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Wow. What an distorted view of history you're pushing!

As I recall, it was the ERG that stopped MP's voting for a Withdrawal Agreement, and kept us in the EU. Eventually Boris took over and got around it by digging up an agreement that May had dismissed a year or two before, saying no PM would ever agree to it, and at the time Boris agreed! Although has tried to renege on it since.
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17/12/2020 16:28:40 3 1
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Dan
17/12/2020 16:40:51 5 0
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wow. couldn't it actually be because brexit was a ridiculous notion built on a foundation of lies? greedy, duplicitious pigs made out that the complex relationships that were established between UK and EU members could be undone with ease, without appreciation for any of the subtleties eg irish border.
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Pip
17/12/2020 16:56:37 3 2
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Another bl***dy Brexiteer blaming others for the disaster there vote gave us............?
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17/12/2020 17:11:47 1 0
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Funniest thing I've read all day. Well done.
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17/12/2020 17:21:59 1 1
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Just take responsibility for the result of your reckless vote and stop trying to offload the blame. The irony is that a fair proportion of remainers are well off so they will suffer less - particularly if the Bank of England continues inflating asset prices through quantitative easing..........
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17/12/2020 18:49:54 1 1
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Enough with your excuses, and throwing the blame around. Man up and own the mess.
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17/12/2020 19:11:04 1 0
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Oddly it was the ERG that voted down deals, NOT remainers.
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17/12/2020 15:17:47 11 10
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Of course most central banks in the world, approximately 80%, are controlled by private individuals, which could explain BoE's comments on vaccines. I think "the UK economy will shrink by 11.3% this year - the biggest decline in 300 years" shows just how damaging the unnecessary lockdowns/restrictions have been. We'll really see that damage in 2021.
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17/12/2020 15:08:00 5 4
bbc
rodney trotter with his 2 exam passes could have told us that for a lot less than these people are paid
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17/12/2020 15:05:00 24 15
bbc
This is news that will surprise most of us, we thought locking down a whole country for a 0.5 % death rate would set the grounds for a booming economy. And Boris's (sorry Carrie's) big plans for the future, a green industrial revolution. What could go wrong, and what a great time to take the risk.
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17/12/2020 15:18:59 25 16
bbc
Oh dear , another person in denial over Covid. Just hope you're OK if you catch it and don't need a precious NHS bed
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17/12/2020 15:37:34 1 8
bbc
If a “precious” NHS bed is needed it will be provided. Or can we have a lifetime’s tax payments back?
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17/12/2020 16:26:05 0 3
bbc
En Serio has said nothing that indicates Covid denial.... stop making things up. its silly.
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17/12/2020 15:08:00 45 17
bbc
What they mean is the Government have destroyed the economy with their response to Covid, primarily.
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:19:23 1 6
bbc
yep, that and pretty much every country/government around the world, or.... just thinking aloud...could it possibly be that all share the same common denominator, i.e. a 'Global Pandemic'

If you think it's better in France, Germany, USA, then sod off there then!
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17/12/2020 15:25:01 3 5
bbc
Well said. A great problem with the BBC reporting on anything is that it is UK-centric on everything. They have even stopped reporting on EU economic data s that is just as bad as the UK but doesn't fit with their pro-EU philosophy. If you remove China from the equation then the global economy is in recession & will be for most of 2021.
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17/12/2020 15:21:18 67 11
bbc
Will we be bringing back the slogan from the 70's " buy British "
Only problem is we don't make anything any more
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17/12/2020 15:31:12 48 18
bbc
A great opportunity to start making things again though. And employing British people to make them. And then not pay to import those goods. And to sell them.
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17/12/2020 16:17:54 4 0
bbc
Even if we do make it we import all the aw materials and smaller parts to do it. until UK manufacturing becomes truly competitive the cheaper options abroad will always be taken.
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17/12/2020 16:20:14 6 2
bbc
And when we did make them, they were substandard.
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17/12/2020 17:09:17 1 0
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If you read the other comments on this post , then anyone with a grain of common sense would build a boat.
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17/12/2020 17:12:22 1 1
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Certainly. EU rules have prevented us from having a Buy British campaign for 40 years.
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17/12/2020 17:29:27 3 0
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high end & niche manufacturing is about the only sectors we can be competitive in; land, plant, labour costs are all very high so its very hard to compete on high volume manufacturing. Need to be realistic.
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17/12/2020 18:18:18 0 0
bbc
True

But we've been in the EU all that time - theres your answer
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18/12/2020 00:23:55 0 0
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We make a lot Steve, but you clearly don't know that, then again the hi-tech stuff we do make is unlikely to be on sale at Tesco.
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17/12/2020 15:05:32 13 14
bbc
It needs to be said we are destroying the economy to protect people which will probably only have a few more years to live.
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17/12/2020 15:22:47 11 4
bbc
You sound like you probably have a list of people who you would rather the country didn't protect or look out for ... exactly how long is your list and how many deaths would you accept per 1% of GDP growth?
Easier for you to attack vulnerable people than address the root causes of the issue eh? Yeah, thought so fella
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17/12/2020 15:51:43 0 1
bbc
Thumbs up for you Bun, I cant add to your excellent reply.
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17/12/2020 15:15:41 3 2
bbc
Why did the death rate drop by a factor of roughly 50 from April to July, if a thorough lockdown doesn't work?
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17/12/2020 15:22:48 1 2
bbc
Summertime.
Notice how it's rising again in November? All around the northern hemisphere - even where strict lock downs are imposed, notice? No, I didn't think you would.
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17/12/2020 15:34:40 1 1
bbc
I think you'll find it was rising before November, but why let that ruin your view?

What comes next in your argument? Sweden, isn't it?

Even their king admits they got it wrong...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55347021
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17/12/2020 15:48:00 2 2
bbc
Strict lockdowns are imposed, thick plebs ignore them.

There's your problem, right there.
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17/12/2020 15:05:32 13 14
bbc
It needs to be said we are destroying the economy to protect people which will probably only have a few more years to live.
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17/12/2020 15:23:54 6 3
bbc
Brexiters? Yes I see your point.
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17/12/2020 15:10:45 19 14
bbc
I believe a lot of 'COVIDIOTS' would have liked the ability to choose 1% risk over nanystate regulation, choose small business over big, choose not to be bailed out by nannystate furlough schemes which in debt our children for generations to come. The future is to be blamed solely on those who enabled heavy media fear mongers and governments to capitalise in on that fear.
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17/12/2020 15:23:58 6 7
bbc
Health experts have one mission aim to reduce deaths. However they do not understand each day the economy does not produce income the less in the future for the NHS.
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17/12/2020 17:19:26 1 0
bbc
It depends on how long this goes on for. The economy and businesses will recover in time. Lives won't. Would you be prepared to put your life at risk to protect someone's business? You won't . But you are prepared to put others lives at risk?
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:19:23 1 6
bbc
yep, that and pretty much every country/government around the world, or.... just thinking aloud...could it possibly be that all share the same common denominator, i.e. a 'Global Pandemic'

If you think it's better in France, Germany, USA, then sod off there then!
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17/12/2020 15:25:01 3 5
bbc
Well said. A great problem with the BBC reporting on anything is that it is UK-centric on everything. They have even stopped reporting on EU economic data s that is just as bad as the UK but doesn't fit with their pro-EU philosophy. If you remove China from the equation then the global economy is in recession & will be for most of 2021.
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17/12/2020 21:55:21 0 0
bbc
And way beyond, the country was just recovered from 2008 crisis. And between Covid & Brexit this will likely take a lot longer. As Rees Mogg suggested, we'll know in 50 years what the outcome is.
Unlikely of course that he will be aware come that time.
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17/12/2020 15:02:06 20 20
bbc
Brexit is and will continue to ruin the UK economy...permanently.
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17/12/2020 15:25:21 2 3
bbc
Permanently .... Really?... Where is your evidence to prove that?
Stop making things up you can't prove.
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17/12/2020 15:26:59 3 1
bbc
Well if you are a brexiter, surely you have to admit that it's his turn.....
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17/12/2020 15:25:21 2 3
bbc
Permanently .... Really?... Where is your evidence to prove that?
Stop making things up you can't prove.
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17/12/2020 15:26:59 3 1
bbc
Well if you are a brexiter, surely you have to admit that it's his turn.....
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MVP
17/12/2020 14:57:16 51 30
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Corona virus is affecting every country on Earth

Unfortunately Brexit is an act of self harm that will only have a detrimental impact on the United Kingdom.

How have we allowed this to happen?
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17/12/2020 15:27:58 7 14
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Ask the Remain camp how after 40 years EU membership they only managed to persuade 16million out of a possible 46million voters to vote to Remain in the EU.
Yes, exactly how did YOU allow it to happen.
Stop blaming others for your own failings.
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17/12/2020 15:33:52 11 4
bbc
Well 17 million wanted to leave so there really isn't much difference - not sure what you are trying to say.... nonsense as Brexit normal
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17/12/2020 15:05:32 13 14
bbc
It needs to be said we are destroying the economy to protect people which will probably only have a few more years to live.
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17/12/2020 15:29:30 5 2
bbc
So you have no elderly friends or relatives, I take it?

Or are you waiting for the reading of the will...
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17/12/2020 21:50:23 0 0
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People with experience of life are in a better position to judge for themselves whether they wish to see people or ask them to keep away.
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17/12/2020 15:05:32 13 14
bbc
It needs to be said we are destroying the economy to protect people which will probably only have a few more years to live.
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17/12/2020 15:29:45 5 1
bbc
So by your logic, a 12 year old with untreatable cancer, given 6 months to live by the doctors, should be given a lethal injection instead of wasting all that money on palliative and hospice care
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17/12/2020 21:52:47 0 0
bbc
Non sequitur. No connection between adults making decisions for children, and for themselves. Although this govt does not allow adults the right to die even when they’re well on the way. Being adult and of sound mind is the key to entitlement to making one’s own decisions.
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17/12/2020 15:29:49 4 3
bbc
The trouble is there are no good options. Seoul in South Korea, the "success story" that was supposed to show what we could have with a competent government, just ran out of ICU beds, someone died whilst waiting to be admitted to the hospital with Covid, but they aren't willing to lock down further for fear of the economic damage and cases just keep going up. Most Brits will never hear about that.
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17/12/2020 15:50:52 1 3
bbc
Australia, New Zealand
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17/12/2020 14:57:12 59 36
bbc
Not helped by being the only country to impose sanctions on itself through the biggest scam ever - Brexit.
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17/12/2020 15:30:35 27 32
bbc
Scam ... lol dear me.
What are you going to do about it apart from moan about it? Absolutely nothing!
If you only managed to persuade 16million out of 46million possible voters to vote to Remain in the EU then frankly you only have yourselves to blame.
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17/12/2020 16:07:53 8 2
bbc
Let's admit our mistake and re-join.
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17/12/2020 16:11:27 8 1
bbc
No the peddlers of lies are the ones to blame, and the fools who fell for them.
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17/12/2020 16:12:33 10 1
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The other 17m were persuaded by lies. Brexit is built on a bed of lies, which is why it's falling apart.

As this slow motion car crash takes place, support dwindles. It's now down to 38% (YouGov) and falling.
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17/12/2020 17:10:04 1 0
bbc
That fact that you don't believe you were suckered doesn't mean that you weren't. That prince in Nigeria lives people like you.
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17/12/2020 17:11:44 1 2
bbc
Yeah let's not forget that Brexit had nothing to do with economics and everything to do with racism.
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17/12/2020 15:02:15 84 9
bbc
“It said new coronavirus vaccines boded well for long-term growth, but that a recent jump in cases would drag on the recovery.”

Alternatively, we should be debating an alternative to the impossible concept of infinite growth and focus on sustainability. Infinite growth is causing climate change, other environmental damage and arguably this pandemic as well (and a risk factor for future ones).
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17/12/2020 15:30:43 9 1
bbc
Absolutely. The concept of fast infinite growth being the only way to advance people in society has been thrown into question since the 80s. It doesn’t take into account the fact that millions remain in poverty and that inequality has been consistently rising. There needs to be a new approach that improves standards of living and doesn’t lead to the destruction of the entire ecosystem.
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17/12/2020 15:21:18 67 11
bbc
Will we be bringing back the slogan from the 70's " buy British "
Only problem is we don't make anything any more
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17/12/2020 15:31:12 48 18
bbc
A great opportunity to start making things again though. And employing British people to make them. And then not pay to import those goods. And to sell them.
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17/12/2020 15:35:02 21 6
bbc
that sounds great until you realise how few people in the UK understand how to make anything - and most of those who do are immigrants!
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17/12/2020 15:46:34 18 2
bbc
Put me down for an Allegro.
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17/12/2020 16:09:12 8 0
bbc
Only problem is, the UK has zero resources, unless you count rain!.

We have to import all the materials to manufacture anything. Judging by the current issues at ports its going to take years to turn that round and as the saying goes - "a week is a long time in politics" but a week is an eternity in business.
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17/12/2020 16:10:18 8 2
bbc
We don't have the capital. And those that do, don't want to risk it by investing in Brexit Britain.

Welcome to reality.
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17/12/2020 16:14:26 13 8
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Did you mean - setup uncompetitive British manufacturing and try and employ idle Brits that don’t want to work?

Lets go make Spitfires and if Johnny Foreigner won’t buy them we’ll send in the Grand Fleet and gives them a jolly good thrashing what ho!

Another delusional Brexiteer trys to create instant economics.
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17/12/2020 16:20:55 9 0
bbc
Dream on. It would takes decades to build up the skill base to return manufacturing.
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Pip
17/12/2020 16:41:59 2 1
bbc
If we could afford them that is, I fear possibly not.......?
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17/12/2020 17:16:36 3 0
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Wrong! We have a legal minimum wage which makes the manufacture of anything that can also be made in China/ Vietnam/ India instantly uncompetitive no matter how good we are at it. The only answer will be automation of all those production lines. Which will mean absolutely NO JOBS at all (apart from a geek or two). Congratulations, I am sure you worked this all out beforehand.
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17/12/2020 19:39:16 0 0
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Where's the manufacturing sites, materials, workers etc coming from to do this by 31 December?

How are we going to be cost competitive in production with China?

How will we compete against established manufacturers?

Just saying stuff doesn't make it true or possible.
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17/12/2020 19:40:34 0 0
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At least 10 years to train a work force and maybe
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17/12/2020 15:26:20 4 3
bbc
The best thing to inject life into the economy has always been to have a war.
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17/12/2020 15:44:44 2 2
bbc
Good idea. Let's invade the isle of man!
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17/12/2020 15:57:20 1 0
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But nowadays our armed forces couldn't defend Falkirk, let alone the Falklands.
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17/12/2020 15:27:31 3 10
bbc
Excessive money printing by central banks is more of an inflation threat than sterling depreciation. BBC bashing brexit as always.
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17/12/2020 15:31:56 3 11
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I thought Carney had left, must have left his doom and gloom friends behind. They always look on the dark side, bring in Monty Python now they always look on the bright side of life.
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17/12/2020 15:40:17 3 1
bbc
Sung from a crucifix I take it!
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17/12/2020 15:27:58 7 14
bbc
Ask the Remain camp how after 40 years EU membership they only managed to persuade 16million out of a possible 46million voters to vote to Remain in the EU.
Yes, exactly how did YOU allow it to happen.
Stop blaming others for your own failings.
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17/12/2020 15:33:52 11 4
bbc
Well 17 million wanted to leave so there really isn't much difference - not sure what you are trying to say.... nonsense as Brexit normal
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17/12/2020 15:22:48 1 2
bbc
Summertime.
Notice how it's rising again in November? All around the northern hemisphere - even where strict lock downs are imposed, notice? No, I didn't think you would.
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17/12/2020 15:34:40 1 1
bbc
I think you'll find it was rising before November, but why let that ruin your view?

What comes next in your argument? Sweden, isn't it?

Even their king admits they got it wrong...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55347021
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17/12/2020 15:31:12 48 18
bbc
A great opportunity to start making things again though. And employing British people to make them. And then not pay to import those goods. And to sell them.
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17/12/2020 15:35:02 21 6
bbc
that sounds great until you realise how few people in the UK understand how to make anything - and most of those who do are immigrants!
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17/12/2020 15:54:17 9 3
bbc
The uk leads the rest of the 3rd world in making many things! Teenage mothers, a total hash of invading countries based on dodgy american intelligence, a complete mess of our own once beautiful country. Proud to be British!
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17/12/2020 15:36:37 6 2
bbc
At least they're not unsure that they're indecisive about their uncertainty ..probably.
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17/12/2020 15:36:57 14 5
bbc
no deal, fill you boots boys, short the pound,
the plebs will take the hit again (2008)
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17/12/2020 15:18:59 25 16
bbc
Oh dear , another person in denial over Covid. Just hope you're OK if you catch it and don't need a precious NHS bed
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17/12/2020 15:37:34 1 8
bbc
If a “precious” NHS bed is needed it will be provided. Or can we have a lifetime’s tax payments back?
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17/12/2020 15:43:54 1 2
bbc
Where was it said it wouldn't be?

Or are you saying you would rather En Serio had a serious case of covid, which isn't the sort of enlightened response i'd expect...
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17/12/2020 15:05:32 13 14
bbc
It needs to be said we are destroying the economy to protect people which will probably only have a few more years to live.
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17/12/2020 15:37:42 2 2
bbc
I can see you were educated at Eton. Or rather, uneducated at Eton.
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17/12/2020 15:38:01 41 4
bbc
the leader of the house is moving funds to his somerset capital hq in Dublin prior to no deal
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17/12/2020 16:16:07 26 6
bbc
In fact Sumerset Capital actually advised their clients to move their investment out of the UK! That was shortly after the ref., when everyone thought a deal would be the easiest thing in human history (because the lying leave scum bags told us so).

Rees-Moggs father literally write the book on disaster capitalism. So Rees-Mogg will be OK. Don't expect to see him at a food bank anytime soon.
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17/12/2020 16:27:45 8 1
bbc
And the two poster boys of Brexit - Dyson and Ratcliffe - are leaving the sinking ship.
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18/12/2020 00:26:42 0 0
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probably to help bail Ireland out, like we did last time
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17/12/2020 15:02:15 84 9
bbc
“It said new coronavirus vaccines boded well for long-term growth, but that a recent jump in cases would drag on the recovery.”

Alternatively, we should be debating an alternative to the impossible concept of infinite growth and focus on sustainability. Infinite growth is causing climate change, other environmental damage and arguably this pandemic as well (and a risk factor for future ones).
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17/12/2020 15:38:11 6 1
bbc
Economic growth doesn't inherently require consumption of more resources - we could instead use existing resources more efficiently. For example, renewable energy is on the verge of becoming cheaper than fossil fuels - that's a win both for the environment and the broader economy as it means people can spend more elsewhere instead.
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Pip
17/12/2020 16:39:18 0 0
bbc
Indeed, if they had the fiscal means to be somewhere else.........?
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17/12/2020 15:39:17 2 2
bbc
I reckon there will be a deal. Can't imagine the Germans will be keen to pay a tariff to export the BMW Mini. On the other hand, I'd be intrigued to see what a negative base rate does to my tracker mortgage......
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17/12/2020 15:54:21 1 1
bbc
No they'll move production to where the largest market is (they've already said they'll move BMW engine production to Austria in a no-deal situation).

Almost all trackers have terms and conditions that say it can't fall below a certain amount (which is more than zero percent).
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17/12/2020 15:31:56 3 11
bbc
I thought Carney had left, must have left his doom and gloom friends behind. They always look on the dark side, bring in Monty Python now they always look on the bright side of life.
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17/12/2020 15:40:17 3 1
bbc
Sung from a crucifix I take it!
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17/12/2020 15:54:12 1 1
bbc
Why not they say Brexit will crucify the country.
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17/12/2020 15:41:29 4 2
bbc
Looking at the accuracy of most financial forecasts, where they are often 'surprised' by outcomes forecast only a short time ago, it is clear that they don't actually have much of a clue.

Frankly most economic forecasts are worse than useless, no central bank predicted the 2008 recession.
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:16:32 41 37
bbc
There was a democratic vote, but following 2-3 years of self destruction by Remoaners that significantly weakened & undermined our negotiations, we had another democratic vote in which the Remoaners were all bar thrown out of Parliament

We're now having to deal with the result of that. Had we left 3 years ago we'd already be 3 years into building & cementing sensible trading arrangements
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17/12/2020 15:42:59 9 5
bbc
For a vote to be democratic it needs to be legal. There are 4 rules that need to be satisfied for the referendum or election to be legal: transparency in donations, expenditure, 3rd party campaigning and no foreign govt interference. 1st and 2nd were breached with both parities fined. That in itself rules referendum out. 3rd and 4th also breached - so not democratic really. Just criminal acts.
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17/12/2020 16:02:55 7 2
bbc
I voted remain, but I'm pretty sure the boat has sailed on that one, given that we have already actually left...

If you've got a police box handy, perhaps we could do something about it, but as it is, we have to live with it!
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18/12/2020 00:38:51 0 0
bbc
Odd then that every court case against a Brexiteer failed, one resulted in the Electoral Commission board having to resign, another resulted in damages to the brexiteer and the only conviction for election fraud was a Tory in the constituency Farage stood who fiddled the expenses so they outspent everyone, even Cambridge Analytica was cleared of data misuse by the Data Commissioner. Dream on
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17/12/2020 15:43:06 1 3
bbc
"UK economy's future unusually uncertain, says Bank of England"

They do have a way of stating the obvious
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17/12/2020 15:43:08 1 2
bbc
Get ready for a rough ride ahead.
The UK government never even considered a policy of total eradication of covid. That is, closing the country. Australia and NZ did and their economies are in MUCH better shape now. AND, they've got big crowds at sporting events!
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17/12/2020 15:57:51 0 0
bbc
Utter rubbish, on all fronts - I've watched the Super Rugby, it's been empty for years, this year is no different, and their economies have never been particularly good.
So, close our borders, then no trade at all with EU or RoW? Anything short of 3-4 weeks of total isolation will not eradicate the disease, it will remain asymptomatically in clusters and spread when it gets the chance.
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17/12/2020 15:15:00 7 13
bbc
Brexit will be our saviour.
Removed
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AMc
17/12/2020 15:16:32 41 37
bbc
There was a democratic vote, but following 2-3 years of self destruction by Remoaners that significantly weakened & undermined our negotiations, we had another democratic vote in which the Remoaners were all bar thrown out of Parliament

We're now having to deal with the result of that. Had we left 3 years ago we'd already be 3 years into building & cementing sensible trading arrangements
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17/12/2020 15:43:41 7 4
bbc
So if we had done terrible damage to our country 3 years ago, we would be 3 years into mitigating some of the pointless damage we did in the first place rather then democratically allow people to have a reasonable debate about whether we should be inflicting pointless damage on ourselves at all?

Yeah, sounds legit.
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17/12/2020 15:37:34 1 8
bbc
If a “precious” NHS bed is needed it will be provided. Or can we have a lifetime’s tax payments back?
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17/12/2020 15:43:54 1 2
bbc
Where was it said it wouldn't be?

Or are you saying you would rather En Serio had a serious case of covid, which isn't the sort of enlightened response i'd expect...
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17/12/2020 15:26:20 4 3
bbc
The best thing to inject life into the economy has always been to have a war.
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17/12/2020 15:44:44 2 2
bbc
Good idea. Let's invade the isle of man!
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17/12/2020 16:29:24 0 1
bbc
The Isle of Wight is warmer...
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17/12/2020 16:30:34 1 1
bbc
good call we can go their its in tier 1
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17/12/2020 15:45:05 0 2
bbc
why? what excuse have they got this time?
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17/12/2020 15:31:12 48 18
bbc
A great opportunity to start making things again though. And employing British people to make them. And then not pay to import those goods. And to sell them.
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17/12/2020 15:46:34 18 2
bbc
Put me down for an Allegro.
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17/12/2020 15:52:00 13 2
bbc
Awww, you beat me to a BL gag.

A nice brown Maxi for me please.
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17/12/2020 17:44:58 0 1
bbc
bit harsh; surely no need to die to get an Allegro.
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17/12/2020 15:46:52 2 1
bbc
It doesn't really take an economic genius to work this out. But judging by the traffic on the roads I am assuming things are better than they might have been.
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17/12/2020 15:49:46 0 3
bbc
We've never had it so good!
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17/12/2020 15:47:35 11 3
bbc
No news then that a combination of Covid, Brexit and an incompetent government means a loss of jobs and a negative standard of living for years to come.
Where are the "Statesmen" in a time of crisis, certainly not here in the UK.
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17/12/2020 16:20:27 7 4
bbc
Yes, we should have elected Corbyn. That would have been a really competent government, wouldn't it?
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17/12/2020 16:47:01 0 0
bbc
I think you can buy them at a newsagent if you’re that way inclined!
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17/12/2020 15:22:48 1 2
bbc
Summertime.
Notice how it's rising again in November? All around the northern hemisphere - even where strict lock downs are imposed, notice? No, I didn't think you would.
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17/12/2020 15:48:00 2 2
bbc
Strict lockdowns are imposed, thick plebs ignore them.

There's your problem, right there.
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17/12/2020 15:48:07 10 3
bbc
I think with Bojo's negotiating it's pretty certain actually
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17/12/2020 15:46:52 2 1
bbc
It doesn't really take an economic genius to work this out. But judging by the traffic on the roads I am assuming things are better than they might have been.
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17/12/2020 15:49:46 0 3
bbc
We've never had it so good!
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17/12/2020 16:00:27 0 0
bbc
...said Covid.
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bbc
they are throwing money around like fags
night at the bullingdon club
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17/12/2020 15:50:14 0 2
bbc
Stupid headline , did they not expect the obvious?
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17/12/2020 16:00:04 0 1
bbc
If they didn't state the obvious for people in denial then you'd accuse the Bank of not knowing what it's talking about.
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17/12/2020 15:50:30 1 2
bbc
"UK economy's future unusually uncertain" When has any country's economy ever been certain. Any one bought anything made in Japan rececently?
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17/12/2020 15:29:49 4 3
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The trouble is there are no good options. Seoul in South Korea, the "success story" that was supposed to show what we could have with a competent government, just ran out of ICU beds, someone died whilst waiting to be admitted to the hospital with Covid, but they aren't willing to lock down further for fear of the economic damage and cases just keep going up. Most Brits will never hear about that.
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17/12/2020 15:50:52 1 3
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Australia, New Zealand
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17/12/2020 16:20:30 0 0
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Yeah, if you exclude their second waves and the effect on indigenous peoples. And let's see what happens when they've got little to no natural immunity.
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17/12/2020 15:51:35 18 6
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Never has there been a more obvious link between economic decline and government ineptitude
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17/12/2020 16:22:53 3 8
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Never has there been such a vacuous statement.
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17/12/2020 15:22:47 11 4
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You sound like you probably have a list of people who you would rather the country didn't protect or look out for ... exactly how long is your list and how many deaths would you accept per 1% of GDP growth?
Easier for you to attack vulnerable people than address the root causes of the issue eh? Yeah, thought so fella
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17/12/2020 15:51:43 0 1
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Thumbs up for you Bun, I cant add to your excellent reply.
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17/12/2020 15:46:34 18 2
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Put me down for an Allegro.
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17/12/2020 15:52:00 13 2
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Awww, you beat me to a BL gag.

A nice brown Maxi for me please.
Without in any way wishing to criticise our well informed government, I do feel rather sorry for all the people who run small businesses and are seeing them being decimated and worse.
It must be so frustrating watching the result of years of hard work and risked capital being wiped out by rules from state paid employees, who risk nothing, however benevolent and wise they may be.
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17/12/2020 16:17:53 9 5
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Whilst the public sector get ever richer with pay rises and fat pensions. It's utterly sickening
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17/12/2020 15:53:36 8 6
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The sun will never rise on little England RIP.