BA drops 15 long-haul routes including Seoul and Seychelles
17/12/2020 | news | business | 536
The news comes as many airlines cut staff and drop routes as passengers cut travel amid the pandemic.
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17/12/2020 12:49:22 171 3
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Makes sense if no one is flying.

It would be stupid not to.
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adi
17/12/2020 14:40:17 69 90
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The problem is that no one will be flying anymore exept the rich. The rest shall stay home, work as animals, and enjoy the joys of virtual world to save the planet, nhs and God knows what
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17/12/2020 16:10:05 0 0
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Sensible - and a business needs to re-evaluate running costs etc.
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17/12/2020 17:14:07 0 0
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Maybe the answer is stop flights that have barely sold seats! I was on a flight from Chile to the UK a year ago, a BA 787 and there about 50 passengers. Reduce the amount of flights.

Also put that vile airline RyanAir out of business ASAP.
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17/12/2020 12:49:55 15 40
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There should be no non-essential air travel until the pandemic is over. Afterwards it should be severely curtailed to help tackle climate change which is an even greater threat than the covid-19 pandemic.
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17/12/2020 12:59:46 13 8
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"Afterwards it should be severely curtailed to help tackle climate change" The Government deny my wife and step son a visa to live in the UK so I have to travel to see them. In your draconian World would family visit flights also be banned.
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17/12/2020 13:11:02 4 4
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Climate change? There won't be any economy left after Covid-19. Climate change is the least of our worries.
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17/12/2020 21:41:42 0 0
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How I spend my time & money should up to me after the pandemic & not be dictated. Lots of people want the freedom to visit places and be with their friends & family once it is safe to do so.
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17/12/2020 12:50:18 39 14
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BA is not a UK company its shareholders are foreign so is most of its senior management, plus it is dropping hubs with little or few connections to anywhere else !!
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:09:31 41 5
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IAG are listed on the London Stock Exchange and you can buy shares any time you want. If you have a pension or unit trust, etc. you may already indirectly own shares.
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17/12/2020 13:45:48 4 0
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I’m not ‘foreign’ so please avoid the generalisations.
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17/12/2020 13:53:20 6 0
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BA is a commercial enterprise,they will quite correctly only fly routes where they can see a profit,there will be other airlines to take up the slack on these routes.
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17/12/2020 14:53:56 2 1
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Rubbish. IAG is listed in London and I, like many others are UK shareholders.
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17/12/2020 19:00:06 0 0
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What difference does that make it case of passengers being allowed visit countries and routes being profitable. There are not a charity they exist for the benefit of shareholders eg. the pension funds
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17/12/2020 12:53:40 159 39
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Heathrow won't be needing that 3rd runway now.
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17/12/2020 13:33:01 91 122
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But it will by the time it is built and that's the reason why it should be built now...
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17/12/2020 14:42:09 11 11
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"Previously, BA has said it does not expect international travel to return to pre-pandemic levels until 2023."

The runway won't be complete until the 30's Heathrow is desperately going to need that runway.
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17/12/2020 15:01:05 3 5
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Especially with Bozo (the well known & sacked for it - fibbing porker) lying down in front of those bulldozers (or maybe jetting off somewhere to avoid a vote on it... again)!
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17/12/2020 15:10:08 3 0
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Could it be useful as a plane parking area?
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17/12/2020 15:24:51 0 10
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get it built while its quiet
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17/12/2020 16:13:03 0 0
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Brilliant observation!
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17/12/2020 16:15:06 7 1
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Just like HS2, won't need that as everyone will work from home?
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17/12/2020 16:51:14 2 1
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I agree.

I believe that flying will, in the future, be largely limited to long-haul. European destinations will be served by other means.

With the amount of air traffic we are likely to see in, say, twenty years time, the only justification for a third runway at Heathrow will be to move traffic from and cause the closure of other airports. No! No! No!
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17/12/2020 18:37:22 0 1
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That short term I suspect it change in eighteen months it will change. This county needs a world class airport for handle the freight and passengers
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17/12/2020 12:53:50 18 8
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ba,doesnt expect international travel to return to pre-pandemic levels until 2023.try 2025.
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17/12/2020 13:50:56 21 3
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Try never. For better or worse, this is a watershed moment for civilisation let alone IAG/BA. If we just return to doing what we always did, (and I, regrettably, travelled on business 2 weeks out of 4 at one stage), we will have spent a year not learning lessons from this appalling pandemic apart from how to hide or die.
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17/12/2020 12:54:45 75 6
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What BA has not disclosed is that they have been selling tickets for routes that they have not been permitted to operate! We had tickets booked to Sydney in January, I called BA and was assured the route was operational but they could not guarantee the flight. Only after my wife spoke to someone at Australia House was she told catagorically that BA were not operating in to Australia currently!
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17/12/2020 13:09:27 127 39
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If you booked your ticket after March then I have no sympathy, anyone booking a flight after this date could reasonably assume that the risks were too great until the all clear sounded, a second wave was predicted back then.
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17/12/2020 13:35:24 14 3
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So do you plan for the future or do everything last minute? BA still has to plan as if flights will be allowed to operate. Its no good waiting and then trying to put on flights at the last minute and try and sell them, its far easier to plan and then cancel if needed.
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17/12/2020 15:01:33 4 0
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That I assume is more to do with Australia still being CLOSED to everyone except Australian Citizens, thus no one can travel there (lesiure) so no need to opertate the route, alhtough they could take some sort of freight !
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17/12/2020 20:10:13 1 0
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BA are not operating to Sydney now , they are scheduled to resume in January 2021, and plan to operate them currently. Perhaps you should ask people the RIGHT questions .
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17/12/2020 12:49:55 15 40
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There should be no non-essential air travel until the pandemic is over. Afterwards it should be severely curtailed to help tackle climate change which is an even greater threat than the covid-19 pandemic.
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17/12/2020 12:59:46 13 8
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"Afterwards it should be severely curtailed to help tackle climate change" The Government deny my wife and step son a visa to live in the UK so I have to travel to see them. In your draconian World would family visit flights also be banned.
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17/12/2020 14:00:38 6 5
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Nobody is forcing you to fly back and forward, it's not the UK's fault you chose to marry somebody from another country, you made that choice
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17/12/2020 13:04:55 146 4
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If people can't fly, how can BA keep routes open. It would be madness to fly empty planes
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17/12/2020 14:14:42 13 38
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They kinda have to due to regualtions for planes to keep them air worthy
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17/12/2020 14:44:31 7 2
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But we continue to see empty trains travelling up and down the country for no good reason at all. Inter city services could probably be cut by at least half now.
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17/12/2020 15:23:26 6 2
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Not necessarily madness if you have already sold the tickets - running the plane empty is cheaper than running it full.

If BA cancel, then they need to give a cash refund,. If you cancel, then BA only need to give you vouchers for future travel - which they make very difficult to use and will later bump the price up so that you have to pay even more to be able to use the voucher .
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17/12/2020 16:07:26 3 1
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They need to keep their airport slots valid
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17/12/2020 16:32:46 0 0
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Freight is what makes the airline money
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17/12/2020 18:33:34 0 0
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Cargo in the hold that what subsidises what passengers pay
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17/12/2020 13:05:20 80 24
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London Airways doesn't even want to fly from Manchester, Birmingham or Edinburgh, so I can't say this news bothers me.
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:11:37 84 17
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I suspect that there is not enough passengers to justify flying from those airports. Who should subsidise? They are running a business not a charity!
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17/12/2020 14:10:27 7 0
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If there isn't the demand to fly from Manchester, Birmingham or Edinburgh then why would they run the routes? They aren't a charity.
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17/12/2020 14:15:30 8 1
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Well said. BA built a huge new terminal especially for their use at BHX... then stopped flying from there a few years later! Typical BA poor management; just a load of excuses now. Lord King would turn in his grave if he knew how his airline has fallen so low.
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17/12/2020 14:48:19 2 2
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But London Airways has hundreds of planes 'furloughed' for convenience at Cardiff Airport!
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17/12/2020 16:24:12 0 0
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Re Manchester, cost issues, they have got around that with Aer Lingus (UK) operating from 2021
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17/12/2020 16:34:57 0 0
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I'd be happy to stick the Hub up there some where. We've been blighted by too much aircraft travel for too long down here.
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17/12/2020 13:06:24 13 25
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Makes the 3rd Runway Decision the Joke it is, who the hell is going to be able to afford to fly after Bozo and the Muppets have left this Country knee deep in S**te
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17/12/2020 13:09:46 24 13
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We were already knee deep in Sh**e. Bozo hasn't helped but thank your lucky stars that you haven't got Welsh labour Mark Drakeford who makes Bozo look like the essence of competence.
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17/12/2020 13:06:37 28 3
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Surprised to see Seoul in that list. I suppose Etihad with their A380s and Malaysia airlines will be filling the demand for the KL and Abu Dhabi routes.
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17/12/2020 13:40:16 25 1
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I think a lot of the reason for cancelling the flights to Seoul, like some other places on this list of cancelled flights, are the restrictions placed by the destination on who is allowed to go there. South Korea, it is mainly just Korean nationals
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17/12/2020 15:19:47 0 0
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And they are both much better than BA in addition to not having the bizarre 'plan your trip to include a weekend in it to get the lowest fare' rule.
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17/12/2020 15:22:24 1 1
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Most A380s are grounded - few will fly again
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17/12/2020 15:36:26 0 0
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When I flew that route, I've never known such thorough security. Clearly they saw the BA flight as hugely vulnerable, so might play into thi as well?
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17/12/2020 12:54:45 75 6
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What BA has not disclosed is that they have been selling tickets for routes that they have not been permitted to operate! We had tickets booked to Sydney in January, I called BA and was assured the route was operational but they could not guarantee the flight. Only after my wife spoke to someone at Australia House was she told catagorically that BA were not operating in to Australia currently!
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17/12/2020 13:09:27 127 39
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If you booked your ticket after March then I have no sympathy, anyone booking a flight after this date could reasonably assume that the risks were too great until the all clear sounded, a second wave was predicted back then.
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17/12/2020 13:43:24 12 16
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Open your eyes to other countries not making a complete mess of this! Most of Far East have smashed it and it’s people abide by the rules.
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17/12/2020 15:12:36 6 5
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There is no such thing as a second or the projected third wave. Where we are now is a result of total incompetence of the luvvies in givernment and the civil service. They failed miserably with the initial infection and the result was these so-called second and third waves. The UK is still suffering from the initial infection phase.
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17/12/2020 15:59:20 2 1
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I don't think anyone was asking for your sympathy.
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17/12/2020 16:07:39 0 1
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we booked tickets in December 2019 for a once in a lifetime trip to Australia via Singapore and Bangkok in August 2020. It was cancelled but we were told it would go ahead in summer 2021. I'm not sure if it will go ahead now but as only some of the flights have been cancelled I wont get any money back
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17/12/2020 16:27:10 0 2
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Any one 'booking a flight after this date' could reasonably assume that BA would be flying on the date as stated on the ticket. Knowingly taking peoples money for a flight that they knew may well be cancelled is fraud.
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17/12/2020 12:50:18 39 14
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BA is not a UK company its shareholders are foreign so is most of its senior management, plus it is dropping hubs with little or few connections to anywhere else !!
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:09:31 41 5
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IAG are listed on the London Stock Exchange and you can buy shares any time you want. If you have a pension or unit trust, etc. you may already indirectly own shares.
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17/12/2020 13:43:29 1 12
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What a mad suggestion - BA is heading for the big Black Hole in the sky and you are suggesting buying their shares? Most of the UK-based (utilities) and private companies are now in foreign hands - the list is huge - even if you bought only one stock in every business you would be bankrupt before you got halfway down the list.
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17/12/2020 13:43:52 3 2
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True it is listed on LSE, but foreign organisations can still have big shareholdings.
With IAG, Qatar Airways with a stake of 20.01% is the biggest shareholder.
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17/12/2020 16:05:17 0 0
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And you should be concerned that Government policy is killing these companies because it will kill your pension too.
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17/12/2020 17:52:49 0 0
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I want an efficient airline not an investment ...
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17/12/2020 13:06:24 13 25
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Makes the 3rd Runway Decision the Joke it is, who the hell is going to be able to afford to fly after Bozo and the Muppets have left this Country knee deep in S**te
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17/12/2020 13:09:46 24 13
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We were already knee deep in Sh**e. Bozo hasn't helped but thank your lucky stars that you haven't got Welsh labour Mark Drakeford who makes Bozo look like the essence of competence.
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17/12/2020 14:28:00 0 0
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So the excuse for supporting an incompetent bumbling fool whose advisors and attachments wrap him round their fingers is to say better him than someone who was never going to be elected.................
Now we know how psychopathic dictators get to be in power.
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17/12/2020 12:49:55 15 40
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There should be no non-essential air travel until the pandemic is over. Afterwards it should be severely curtailed to help tackle climate change which is an even greater threat than the covid-19 pandemic.
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17/12/2020 13:11:02 4 4
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Climate change? There won't be any economy left after Covid-19. Climate change is the least of our worries.
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17/12/2020 13:46:38 3 2
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No, it really isn't the least of our worries. Covid will seem like a minor inconvenience compared to the potential impact of Climate change if we don't start to change our ways now.
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17/12/2020 13:05:20 80 24
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London Airways doesn't even want to fly from Manchester, Birmingham or Edinburgh, so I can't say this news bothers me.
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:11:37 84 17
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I suspect that there is not enough passengers to justify flying from those airports. Who should subsidise? They are running a business not a charity!
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17/12/2020 13:51:02 7 1
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Chicken & egg. Not enough flights to places people want to go, so they use LHR, so not enough passengers fly to make the routes worthwhile. When I travelled for work, I much preferred flights from Manchester to the US. Saved a day either way getting to/from LHR and sitting around. And usually better connections at the other end.
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17/12/2020 13:57:24 7 3
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Not enough passengers. Every single time I have been to Manchester at any time of day, its has been jam packed.
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17/12/2020 14:18:31 3 1
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So how come Aer Lingus, another part of the IAG (owner of London Airways), are starting services from Manchester direct to the USA next year?.........
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17/12/2020 14:20:22 10 2
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They have deliberately run that market down by not operating it. We’d’ve been using it more if it were available. It ws done to make things easier for the airline, not its [potential] passengers.

Naturally the interests of the south-east must take priority.

And since London Airways doesn’t want to serve me, I don’t much give a stuff what happens to it.
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17/12/2020 14:20:47 2 4
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(Patronizing ...)
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17/12/2020 14:50:51 11 2
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Given that all the major US airlines fly in to Manchester and the Middle East airlines have multiple flights a day (pre-covid times) that would suggest that there are the passengers to justify it
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17/12/2020 15:06:56 5 2
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Rubbish, BA stopped flying regional well before CCP-virus, they used to do long haul in the 70's then started centralising everything into LHR following the US model. Fares from MAN-DXB are usually more expensive than from LHR due to supply demand, if airlines like Hainan, Cathay, MEB3, Singapore, Pakistan, Oman can make a go of Manchester then our 'flag carrier' can, they just don't want to.
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17/12/2020 16:15:23 0 0
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Indeed. We don't want a taxpayer bailout. We've been bailing out everything else constantly for 50 years. That's why there's -'Them & Us'.
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17/12/2020 17:19:55 1 0
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Actually BA and Heathrow airport exist on the basis of servicing regional airports. Those 'promises' were broken before the ink had dried on the signatures on the agreement. It is a disgrace that so many are forced to travel to a dump like Heathrow to fly anywhere these days. I'd be more than happy to fly from Birmingham or Manchester if there were connecting flight from Bristol or Exeter.
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17/12/2020 17:48:33 0 0
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EXCEPT BA was allowed to expand at Heathrow based on promises made to 'service regional airports', that is, provided connecting flights to and from these regional airports. It was the basis foe expanding regional airports in the first place - hub and spoke. Millions of £££s provide to BA for them to renege is 'classic' as to how all this 'corruption' exists without recourse.
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17/12/2020 13:17:10 5 1
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As far as I know BA stopped flying to Calgary 2 or 3 years ago
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17/12/2020 14:53:38 3 0
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No, they were definitely flying 787s to Calgary in June 2019, I know because I went in one
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17/12/2020 15:06:36 0 0
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They stopped flying to Calgary in the winter, and resumed from April/May until October.
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17/12/2020 13:23:09 10 1
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BA is out of the game. Saw a 1970's Thatcher documentary recently talking about building a 3rd runway at Heathrow. So how did that turn out? Did they take the runway away again and build 1930's style semi's on it? The houses look quite authentic by the way.
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17/12/2020 13:43:06 6 0
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Not to mention Maplin Sands.
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17/12/2020 13:31:48 46 1
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At this rate they will only have a twice weekly Lydd to Le Treport service operated by an army surplus Sopwith camel by 2025.
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17/12/2020 13:42:26 24 1
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No chance - the Camel is the only a/c the army have now. The 'swan' pedalos have closed down in Exmouth though - they might be able to get hold of one of those.
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17/12/2020 13:49:27 12 0
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Tut-tut
It's not army surplus, it's Royal Flying Corps surplus.
Schoolboy error.

And for political correctness compliance the term schoolboy is a deeply embedded vernacular figure of speech fully inclusive of both sexes and all 57 genders.
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17/12/2020 14:21:05 4 0
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After all the rain lately the ground might be too wet for a Bristol Freighter to take off. Happy memories!
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17/12/2020 15:18:58 2 0
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I live near Lydd so can't wait....
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17/12/2020 15:21:29 3 0
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The RAF flew Camels, the army only admired them from below. And Lydd is reserved for Border Farce drones to spot illegal immigrants so they can get the taxis out pronto to collect them.
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17/12/2020 16:22:27 1 0
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I don't think there are any army surplus Sopwith Camel's. Most are still in active service since the last round of cuts.
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17/12/2020 13:31:57 111 4
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I thought under current restrictions that the only people allowed to travel were two sheep farmers living in Cornwall. And MPs.
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17/12/2020 13:38:00 87 2
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Wrong! One of the sheep farmers has tested positive so can't travel.
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17/12/2020 14:08:59 8 1
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Its allowed if you are going for an eye test
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17/12/2020 14:59:11 2 0
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Don't forget Cummings, probably on a day trip somewhere near a Specsavers opticians I hear...
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JB
17/12/2020 15:58:18 1 0
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Johnson's dad farms sheep?
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17/12/2020 16:00:32 1 0
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VERY GOOD POINT ELV
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17/12/2020 17:04:21 0 0
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Dont forget Johnson Senior...
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17/12/2020 12:53:40 159 39
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Heathrow won't be needing that 3rd runway now.
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17/12/2020 13:33:01 91 122
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But it will by the time it is built and that's the reason why it should be built now...
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17/12/2020 13:50:05 15 22
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By the time it is built it will be needed,failure to build would result in thousands of job losses,traffic losses and millions of pounds of revenue to European airports.
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17/12/2020 16:48:39 0 1
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Absolutely correct.
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17/12/2020 17:14:13 0 1
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Thbat's the lame excuse that has been around these last 40-years! Makes no sense at all to be building a 3rd runway at Heathrow. No other country would ever consider such an expansion within it's major ring road. What is needed is 'forward planning', NOT regurgitating the same old planning from 50-years ago. We need new airports but let's be building them future proofed for 90-years.
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17/12/2020 17:27:55 0 0
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Wow, what certainty! Did you see this pandemic coming too? Why didn't you tell us earlier?
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17/12/2020 12:54:45 75 6
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What BA has not disclosed is that they have been selling tickets for routes that they have not been permitted to operate! We had tickets booked to Sydney in January, I called BA and was assured the route was operational but they could not guarantee the flight. Only after my wife spoke to someone at Australia House was she told catagorically that BA were not operating in to Australia currently!
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17/12/2020 13:35:24 14 3
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So do you plan for the future or do everything last minute? BA still has to plan as if flights will be allowed to operate. Its no good waiting and then trying to put on flights at the last minute and try and sell them, its far easier to plan and then cancel if needed.
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17/12/2020 16:30:15 0 0
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Next year? LAST MINUTE.
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17/12/2020 13:36:06 37 2
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NatWest travel insurance does not cover covid from January. Beware!
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17/12/2020 14:12:42 47 4
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No travel insurance will cover you after covid became a known event. Insurance is to cover unexpected risks, not known hazards.
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17/12/2020 16:23:39 3 0
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Amazingly, my insurance also doesn't cover me for sports such as "Parachuting without a Parachute", and "Lion taming". These insurance companies are little scamps.
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17/12/2020 16:45:58 0 0
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YES it does cover you...to a degree. Anything booked BEFORE 5 January 2021 is COVID-covered until you return from the trip whenever that may be. Anything booked AFTER 5 January 2021 has some, but limited COVID cover, but it is misleading to make a blanket statement that no cover is provided by NatWest Travel Insurance from January. Our package holiday in 2023 is fully COVID covered by NatWest.
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17/12/2020 13:31:57 111 4
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I thought under current restrictions that the only people allowed to travel were two sheep farmers living in Cornwall. And MPs.
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17/12/2020 13:38:00 87 2
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Wrong! One of the sheep farmers has tested positive so can't travel.
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Da
17/12/2020 13:48:06 10 0
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And now the other one has to self isolate...
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17/12/2020 14:59:33 2 0
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Baaah! :o)
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17/12/2020 15:15:18 6 0
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And the other is booked for Newsnight to discuss LGBT and BAME rights for hill farm workers.
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17/12/2020 17:04:56 0 0
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The sheep can though...
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Uzz
17/12/2020 13:38:23 10 12
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IF we are to get net zero CO2 emissions they will have to stop all routes!
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17/12/2020 14:03:54 2 1
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Or switch to different forms of propulsion, as is now being developed. Creating false dichotomies does not bring realistic solutions to problems.

Travel broadens the mind, and we should seek balanced solutions
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17/12/2020 21:54:10 0 0
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Make homes better insulated and develop alternative fuels for all for transport and stop wasting time electric vehicles whose batteries have have limited number of times they can be used and batteries need to be sent abroad once they reached end of maximum number of charges.
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17/12/2020 13:06:37 28 3
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Surprised to see Seoul in that list. I suppose Etihad with their A380s and Malaysia airlines will be filling the demand for the KL and Abu Dhabi routes.
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17/12/2020 13:40:16 25 1
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I think a lot of the reason for cancelling the flights to Seoul, like some other places on this list of cancelled flights, are the restrictions placed by the destination on who is allowed to go there. South Korea, it is mainly just Korean nationals
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17/12/2020 15:18:19 1 0
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And probably because Korean Air and Asiana also fly the route
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17/12/2020 13:40:48 26 8
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BA is an awful Spanish airline anyway
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17/12/2020 15:30:06 2 12
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You're talking about Iberia, BA is British
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17/12/2020 13:40:54 4 8
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I’ve had three months of issues rebooking a trip to Thailand from 2019, still not sorted, 8 calls, nearly 3 hours all told on hold and now you cancel my trip and tell me I can have a refund of 6k!!! Cheers BA, your on your knees now, hope you disappear forever! BA took away the refund choice online, took the option button away and asked for a refund amenity from the government. Go away
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17/12/2020 13:53:12 2 0
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Wow hope they disappear? Bet all the workers are jumping with joy at that comment.

Strangely I got a cash refund for my 3 club class tickets to Lima, took about 5 minutes on the phone and my AMEX was refunded within 5 hours.
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17/12/2020 13:41:47 76 21
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Smell that clean air! Ahhhhhh!
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ps
17/12/2020 14:50:52 39 8
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Also less noise, lovely...
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17/12/2020 13:41:56 4 10
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The problem with BA is that unless you really have to, no one wants to fly with them, and the pandemic has just acerbated the problem. BA cattle class is worse than conditions actual cattle have to put up with, business is a little better, but still far worse than competitors as is first which is over priced and under serviced. Competitors on short or long haul outdo BA on every level.
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17/12/2020 13:51:17 6 1
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Really?

Before the pandemic BA was the most profitable airline in Europe and regularly received awards for its business class and premium economy products

The 47 million people who flew with them in 2019 must all be wrong then....
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17/12/2020 13:42:19 3 2
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I hear BA is getting into electric scooters ... far more profitable apparently
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17/12/2020 15:13:48 1 0
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But their inept management will f**k that up.
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17/12/2020 13:31:48 46 1
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At this rate they will only have a twice weekly Lydd to Le Treport service operated by an army surplus Sopwith camel by 2025.
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17/12/2020 13:42:26 24 1
bbc
No chance - the Camel is the only a/c the army have now. The 'swan' pedalos have closed down in Exmouth though - they might be able to get hold of one of those.
116
17/12/2020 14:16:36 4 0
bbc
Wow - I didn't know there were swan pedalos in Exmouth even after living not very far away for more than 50 years! 'Man lernt nie aus', as the Germans say.
443
17/12/2020 17:18:30 0 0
bbc
Not with the current outbreak of bird flu...
33
17/12/2020 13:42:49 6 8
bbc
Misleading by BBC - the Muscat and Abu Dhabi is the same flight to Muscat via Abu Dhabi - more fake news
44
17/12/2020 13:47:26 9 4
bbc
So what? Get a life !
18
17/12/2020 13:23:09 10 1
bbc
BA is out of the game. Saw a 1970's Thatcher documentary recently talking about building a 3rd runway at Heathrow. So how did that turn out? Did they take the runway away again and build 1930's style semi's on it? The houses look quite authentic by the way.
34
17/12/2020 13:43:06 6 0
bbc
Not to mention Maplin Sands.
12
17/12/2020 13:09:27 127 39
bbc
If you booked your ticket after March then I have no sympathy, anyone booking a flight after this date could reasonably assume that the risks were too great until the all clear sounded, a second wave was predicted back then.
35
17/12/2020 13:43:24 12 16
bbc
Open your eyes to other countries not making a complete mess of this! Most of Far East have smashed it and it’s people abide by the rules.
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JB
17/12/2020 13:58:43 28 4
bbc
Totally agree! Much of south-east Asia is operating normally... Hong Kong is completely back to normal. The reason? People wear masks routinely when they have any respiratory illness even a cold, they tend to abide by rules that make sense for the overall community, they respect each other.....
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:09:31 41 5
bbc
IAG are listed on the London Stock Exchange and you can buy shares any time you want. If you have a pension or unit trust, etc. you may already indirectly own shares.
36
17/12/2020 13:43:29 1 12
bbc
What a mad suggestion - BA is heading for the big Black Hole in the sky and you are suggesting buying their shares? Most of the UK-based (utilities) and private companies are now in foreign hands - the list is huge - even if you bought only one stock in every business you would be bankrupt before you got halfway down the list.
49
17/12/2020 13:49:55 11 1
bbc
I think you need to read what was said, not what you think was said!

EmC said you CAN buy shares, not you SHOULD buy shares.

But, why let a fact get in the way of a good rant!
79
17/12/2020 13:58:44 0 0
bbc
You would this the share price would have gone down today. Depends if you think its likely to bounce back and for how long you're willing to invest for.
208
17/12/2020 15:03:29 3 0
bbc
Rubbish, IAG has increased its share price from 97p to 161 since late September. The rights issue was fully taken up. The FTSE 100 has risen from 5822 to 6572. The introduction of the vaccine will continue to support the stock market. In 2017, there were just over 2.4 million registered non-financial businesses in the UK, of which 1.1% were owned by businesses outside the UK (foreign-owned).
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17/12/2020 13:43:46 10 13
bbc
We really have to stop this madness, more jobs will go in associated sectors as well and that will ripple out again to even more businesses, ever less tax revenue to give us the NHS, Welfare system, etc. The cure is far worse than the illness, in fact the cure is killing the patient.
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17/12/2020 14:18:19 1 0
bbc
How do people vote down facts/reality. The governments own figures state up to October tax receipts down by over £70 billion for the fiscal YTD, plus £300 billion additional borrowing. This alone has taken the country to 103% of GDP, as each month goes by it gets worse and some off you on here think there are not going to be cuts to public services/massive tax hikes in the next couple of years?
13
EmC
17/12/2020 13:09:31 41 5
bbc
IAG are listed on the London Stock Exchange and you can buy shares any time you want. If you have a pension or unit trust, etc. you may already indirectly own shares.
38
17/12/2020 13:43:52 3 2
bbc
True it is listed on LSE, but foreign organisations can still have big shareholdings.
With IAG, Qatar Airways with a stake of 20.01% is the biggest shareholder.
39
17/12/2020 13:43:55 43 9
bbc
Well passenger number have fallen hugely so it makes sense. Why run a route with only a few passengers. It will be a long time if ever that we get back to air travel like we had pre covid. The world has changed as have people work habits and that has had a huge impact. Why spend £1000 return to New York when you can meet on Zoom?...and cut CO2 into the bargain?
212
17/12/2020 15:04:28 19 6
bbc
Rich "businessmen" don't give a stuff about CO2.
255
17/12/2020 15:19:57 2 0
bbc
Because that's a shit life, that's why
370
17/12/2020 16:24:42 0 0
bbc
Yes! I'm planning a zoom holiday to Barbados later this year!
525
17/12/2020 22:06:56 0 0
bbc
Always staggered by the perception that those who travel ‘on’ business ‘own’ the business... or are flying around in private jets! First Class might look fancy but the work culture that goes with it certainly isn’t (you know it’s punishing when you turn around faster than the crew).

As others have remarked, Zoom replacement ‘everything’ will be un-productive and un-useful.
526
17/12/2020 22:08:55 0 0
bbc
By the way - £1000 return biz to NY? Not sure when you last booked a ticket but time to refresh your numbers. It’s not been that cheap since you had to stand on the wing and they served soup and threw you a bread roll for lunch...
40
DrR
17/12/2020 13:44:26 12 2
bbc
I have a flight booked for June next year. I hope it gets cancelled because I don't think this mess will be sorted out by then.
85
17/12/2020 14:01:34 13 1
bbc
Erm, you could always cancel it yourself? Took me about ten minutes on the phone to get a full refund for my skiing holiday flights.
3
17/12/2020 12:50:18 39 14
bbc
BA is not a UK company its shareholders are foreign so is most of its senior management, plus it is dropping hubs with little or few connections to anywhere else !!
41
17/12/2020 13:45:48 4 0
bbc
I’m not ‘foreign’ so please avoid the generalisations.
250
17/12/2020 15:19:16 2 2
bbc
We are all originally African so they say, so I'm classing myself as a world citizen, subsection EU (forever)! :o)
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FSG
17/12/2020 13:46:02 8 3
bbc
Glad I didn't bother with the BA sales around Black Friday.
15
17/12/2020 13:11:02 4 4
bbc
Climate change? There won't be any economy left after Covid-19. Climate change is the least of our worries.
43
17/12/2020 13:46:38 3 2
bbc
No, it really isn't the least of our worries. Covid will seem like a minor inconvenience compared to the potential impact of Climate change if we don't start to change our ways now.
48
17/12/2020 13:49:29 3 3
bbc
Here we go again. Based on what evidence? There's a lot of speculation and a great willingness by the "tell you how to live" zealots to take the worst predictions and further exagerate them
33
17/12/2020 13:42:49 6 8
bbc
Misleading by BBC - the Muscat and Abu Dhabi is the same flight to Muscat via Abu Dhabi - more fake news
44
17/12/2020 13:47:26 9 4
bbc
So what? Get a life !
What’s the point of reporting inaccurate info , which YOU read as not worth it - so why do you comment are you brain dead? Removed
24
17/12/2020 13:38:00 87 2
bbc
Wrong! One of the sheep farmers has tested positive so can't travel.
45
Da
17/12/2020 13:48:06 10 0
bbc
And now the other one has to self isolate...
92
17/12/2020 14:07:08 13 0
bbc
Actually the other sheep farmer has formed a travel tunnel / bubble (Tubble) with the Isle of Wight. Sorry what was the news item about?
46
17/12/2020 13:48:24 21 1
bbc
The routes being temporarily axed are all covered by other carriers so it makes economic sense not to duplicate services in a much reduced market. BA have only said they are asking the routes for 2021 and I am sure they will reinstate them once demand returns.
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Ray
17/12/2020 13:52:17 8 4
bbc
Not true. Osaka is not flown non stop by any other airline.
19
17/12/2020 13:31:48 46 1
bbc
At this rate they will only have a twice weekly Lydd to Le Treport service operated by an army surplus Sopwith camel by 2025.
47
17/12/2020 13:49:27 12 0
bbc
Tut-tut
It's not army surplus, it's Royal Flying Corps surplus.
Schoolboy error.

And for political correctness compliance the term schoolboy is a deeply embedded vernacular figure of speech fully inclusive of both sexes and all 57 genders.
144
17/12/2020 14:31:51 3 0
bbc
The Royal Flying Corps was part of the army, so any RFC surplus is army surplus.

Schoolboy error.
184
17/12/2020 14:54:01 2 0
bbc
Actually Royal Air Force surplus not Royal Flying Corps, the RAF was created on April 1, 1918, months before the end of WWI and surplus Sopwith Camels
43
17/12/2020 13:46:38 3 2
bbc
No, it really isn't the least of our worries. Covid will seem like a minor inconvenience compared to the potential impact of Climate change if we don't start to change our ways now.
48
17/12/2020 13:49:29 3 3
bbc
Here we go again. Based on what evidence? There's a lot of speculation and a great willingness by the "tell you how to live" zealots to take the worst predictions and further exagerate them
36
17/12/2020 13:43:29 1 12
bbc
What a mad suggestion - BA is heading for the big Black Hole in the sky and you are suggesting buying their shares? Most of the UK-based (utilities) and private companies are now in foreign hands - the list is huge - even if you bought only one stock in every business you would be bankrupt before you got halfway down the list.
49
17/12/2020 13:49:55 11 1
bbc
I think you need to read what was said, not what you think was said!

EmC said you CAN buy shares, not you SHOULD buy shares.

But, why let a fact get in the way of a good rant!
21
17/12/2020 13:33:01 91 122
bbc
But it will by the time it is built and that's the reason why it should be built now...
50
17/12/2020 13:50:05 15 22
bbc
By the time it is built it will be needed,failure to build would result in thousands of job losses,traffic losses and millions of pounds of revenue to European airports.
419
17/12/2020 16:55:06 0 0
bbc
Is there any reason we should believe your prediction. Have you a track record of success in crystal ball gazing?
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MVP
17/12/2020 13:50:11 77 30
bbc
The 3rd runway at Heathrow is looking like it is no longer needed then
59
17/12/2020 13:52:15 64 34
bbc
It never was.
145
17/12/2020 14:32:09 8 1
bbc
You really think mid/long term fewer people are going to fly?

Pre Covid they were already so overcapacity, there were always delays to fly/land Heathrow.

Come 2022, there will be as many or more people flying and no work even started on a run way.
224
17/12/2020 15:11:10 4 2
bbc
Don't you worry, No deal Brexit and there won't be any need for business travel as that's all gone to the EU.

Now ask the Tories how much inward investment to the UK has dropped by since the 2016 referendum (it's 30% down to £83bn) and how much job creation has fallen by (it's 19% down) and watch them squirm!

10yrs of incompetence!
5
17/12/2020 12:53:50 18 8
bbc
ba,doesnt expect international travel to return to pre-pandemic levels until 2023.try 2025.
52
17/12/2020 13:50:56 21 3
bbc
Try never. For better or worse, this is a watershed moment for civilisation let alone IAG/BA. If we just return to doing what we always did, (and I, regrettably, travelled on business 2 weeks out of 4 at one stage), we will have spent a year not learning lessons from this appalling pandemic apart from how to hide or die.
353
17/12/2020 16:17:02 0 0
bbc
Actually that is about all we will learn (plus a new appreciation of Government capacity to lie to an entire population day in day out).
Trust in elected leaders was on life support anyway. Now it is dead.
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:11:37 84 17
bbc
I suspect that there is not enough passengers to justify flying from those airports. Who should subsidise? They are running a business not a charity!
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FSG
17/12/2020 13:51:02 7 1
bbc
Chicken & egg. Not enough flights to places people want to go, so they use LHR, so not enough passengers fly to make the routes worthwhile. When I travelled for work, I much preferred flights from Manchester to the US. Saved a day either way getting to/from LHR and sitting around. And usually better connections at the other end.
484
17/12/2020 18:45:40 0 0
bbc
Depends what's the most coinvent of getting from A to B , cost might anther factor rather getting a direct flight
54
17/12/2020 13:51:12 12 13
bbc
Good, we need to wean ourselves away from ever increasing travel, for the sake of the planet. We have such a beautiful isle here in the UK, it has everything you need.
71
17/12/2020 13:55:08 6 4
bbc
No.
94
17/12/2020 14:06:11 7 0
bbc
Need to wean ourselves off over population too, that will have much more of a benificial effect on the planet!
512
17/12/2020 19:56:33 0 0
bbc
That's just your opinion and not for to to dictate to everyone
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Ray
17/12/2020 13:51:13 195 25
bbc
If your story is about long-haul routes for goodness sake show a picture of a long-haul aeroplane. Simple!
70
17/12/2020 13:55:02 79 3
bbc
Ha ha, you tell 'em Ray
76
17/12/2020 13:55:26 30 8
bbc
Ahhh Ray, that would mean a BBC journalist doing some actual research, no chance :)
77
17/12/2020 13:58:38 24 7
bbc
Any old airplane will suffice for those not wearing anoraks
101
17/12/2020 14:10:48 18 2
bbc
The BA A318 flies from LCY via SHN to JFK.
Will that route do as Long Haul?
124
17/12/2020 14:20:11 30 3
bbc
The Daily Mail have probable got a picture of a Spitfire on their version
201
17/12/2020 15:00:45 1 0
bbc
They don't have any!
228
17/12/2020 15:13:11 4 2
bbc
You're lucky they're even showing a BA plane!
313
17/12/2020 15:56:39 0 1
bbc
Why?
318
17/12/2020 15:59:54 1 0
bbc
WELL SAID RAY LAD
391
17/12/2020 16:35:36 1 0
bbc
Hi not everyone is an anorak like you or I
432
17/12/2020 17:06:25 0 0
bbc
haha...that was my first thought :)
487
17/12/2020 18:41:10 0 0
bbc
I thought it was quite a nice airplane in the photograph!
513
17/12/2020 20:00:06 0 1
bbc
You obviously have nothing better to do with your life than question a picture of about a plane. You need to get out more ! Simple !
30
17/12/2020 13:41:56 4 10
bbc
The problem with BA is that unless you really have to, no one wants to fly with them, and the pandemic has just acerbated the problem. BA cattle class is worse than conditions actual cattle have to put up with, business is a little better, but still far worse than competitors as is first which is over priced and under serviced. Competitors on short or long haul outdo BA on every level.
56
17/12/2020 13:51:17 6 1
bbc
Really?

Before the pandemic BA was the most profitable airline in Europe and regularly received awards for its business class and premium economy products

The 47 million people who flew with them in 2019 must all be wrong then....
171
17/12/2020 14:49:46 0 0
bbc
Guess you are a BA employee give all the other replies you have made, didn’t say they were not profitable, said people avoid if they can, on many routes they can’t because they are uk flag carrier and get preferential treatment for slots. Wee Willie took them from a luxury carrier to bargain basement service unless you are celeb, govt, xtra wealthy then you get arse lick service.
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RKM
17/12/2020 16:45:38 0 0
bbc
Yes they are all wrong. NEVER FORGET FLIGHT 149

It may be 30 years since BA voluntarily flew their delayed flight into Kuwait several hours after every other airline had cancelled, resulting in every passenger and crew member being taken hostage (and some raped and murdered) but NOBODY should trust BA to get them safely to their destination since!
57
17/12/2020 13:51:52 41 23
bbc
Excellent - no need for that 3rd runway at Heathrow anymore then!
517
17/12/2020 20:16:57 0 1
bbc
Many many other airlines use Heathrow.
58
17/12/2020 13:52:14 13 3
bbc
Oh! Now it makes sense...
Is the reduction in flights, destinations & passenger numbers why Heathrow needs a 3rd runway?
86
17/12/2020 14:01:59 7 0
bbc
It will take 10 years to build that runway if it ever happens.
51
MVP
17/12/2020 13:50:11 77 30
bbc
The 3rd runway at Heathrow is looking like it is no longer needed then
59
17/12/2020 13:52:15 64 34
bbc
It never was.
159
17/12/2020 14:45:00 5 2
bbc
It has been operating at full capacity for over the last decade - it was needed 10 years ago, let alone disparately needed now. This is just a cushy argument to jump on to show your xenophobia and anti-capitalist sentiment.
251
17/12/2020 15:19:16 4 0
bbc
It always was, while the UK dithered Paris built a world beating airport at CDG, close to the city and with loads of space to expand.
46
17/12/2020 13:48:24 21 1
bbc
The routes being temporarily axed are all covered by other carriers so it makes economic sense not to duplicate services in a much reduced market. BA have only said they are asking the routes for 2021 and I am sure they will reinstate them once demand returns.
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Ray
17/12/2020 13:52:17 8 4
bbc
Not true. Osaka is not flown non stop by any other airline.
239
17/12/2020 15:17:01 1 0
bbc
I think the US military did, but that was March 13 - August 14, 1945.
243
17/12/2020 15:17:57 1 0
bbc
Correct Ray, we fly there (well used to and hopefully will again) on a regular basis, BA offers the only direct option from the UK though for a lot of people still requires a change at the 'row.
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vin
17/12/2020 17:45:27 1 0
bbc
Non stop from Amsterdam via KLM.
Amsterdam is a major hub airport now.
44
17/12/2020 13:47:26 9 4
bbc
So what? Get a life !
What’s the point of reporting inaccurate info , which YOU read as not worth it - so why do you comment are you brain dead? Removed
28
17/12/2020 13:40:54 4 8
bbc
I’ve had three months of issues rebooking a trip to Thailand from 2019, still not sorted, 8 calls, nearly 3 hours all told on hold and now you cancel my trip and tell me I can have a refund of 6k!!! Cheers BA, your on your knees now, hope you disappear forever! BA took away the refund choice online, took the option button away and asked for a refund amenity from the government. Go away
62
17/12/2020 13:53:12 2 0
bbc
Wow hope they disappear? Bet all the workers are jumping with joy at that comment.

Strangely I got a cash refund for my 3 club class tickets to Lima, took about 5 minutes on the phone and my AMEX was refunded within 5 hours.
3
17/12/2020 12:50:18 39 14
bbc
BA is not a UK company its shareholders are foreign so is most of its senior management, plus it is dropping hubs with little or few connections to anywhere else !!
63
17/12/2020 13:53:20 6 0
bbc
BA is a commercial enterprise,they will quite correctly only fly routes where they can see a profit,there will be other airlines to take up the slack on these routes.
64
17/12/2020 13:54:38 0 0
bbc
Yes,,including too many people.
65
17/12/2020 13:43:03 68 5
bbc
Why tell us 'more than 15 routes have been axed' and then only name 13 of them? Usual shoddy/lazy journalism I'm afraid.
446
17/12/2020 17:21:15 13 0
bbc
Yup, and a stock photo that isn't a BA long haul aircraft.
66
17/12/2020 13:44:08 18 5
bbc
BA is a has been company anyway. Spanish owned, poorer standards than some budget airlines and moving all UK based jobs abroad too.

They were on their way out of business prior to the current travel issues so this will just speed up the demise of this once great British institute.
67
17/12/2020 13:46:03 32 10
bbc
Why was it controversial to make 10,000 staff redundant in the summer? The management have to make a decision based on the information that they have and expectations of the future. It is highly likely the air travel will be reduced for a significant period of time. Is BA and other companies meant to never make employees redundant.
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17/12/2020 14:10:13 27 14
bbc
Because they did it whilst they were still eligible for full furlough payments and so retaining those staff wasn't costing them much, it was odd and somewhat cruel to not wait and make all those people unemployed despite it not really saving money to do it then.
276
17/12/2020 15:27:02 2 1
bbc
Making the reduncies ... Not contoversial. The way they initially planned to do it, very controversial.
330
17/12/2020 16:04:41 4 0
bbc
As I recall it was laying the staff off and then taking them back on at lower pay and with worse contracts.
68
17/12/2020 13:54:47 14 2
bbc
All those routes are flown by alternative airlines. Truth is, they cannot compete on price, service, and quality.
69
17/12/2020 13:47:43 2 4
bbc
Spent probably 16+ hours on the phone to British Airways over the pandemic, trying to get a refund, changing flights...Only for them to cancel again. Oh well....
55
Ray
17/12/2020 13:51:13 195 25
bbc
If your story is about long-haul routes for goodness sake show a picture of a long-haul aeroplane. Simple!
70
17/12/2020 13:55:02 79 3
bbc
Ha ha, you tell 'em Ray
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17/12/2020 14:33:20 11 3
bbc
Ha good one Ray
The picture displays an A319 -131 G-EUPS which is a Heathrow based short haul aircraft. It has today operated ABZ-LHR, LHR-DUS-LHR, and is currently flying to Edinburgh. Busy day in crazy times.
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17/12/2020 13:51:12 12 13
bbc
Good, we need to wean ourselves away from ever increasing travel, for the sake of the planet. We have such a beautiful isle here in the UK, it has everything you need.
71
17/12/2020 13:55:08 6 4
bbc
No.
84
17/12/2020 14:01:15 2 1
bbc
Would you like to expand on that a little?.... ??????
72
17/12/2020 13:56:05 5 8
bbc
BA is 1 of the worst airlines over priced tickets...cramped seats Aeroflot emirates Norwegian 10 times better
82
17/12/2020 13:59:55 7 1
bbc
If Norwegian are still flying by Spring I will be amazed.
73
17/12/2020 13:56:40 2 14
bbc
"BA has said it does not expect international travel to return the pre-pandemic levels until 2023."

If they think the pandemic will be over by 2023 they are having a laugh. This one is here to stay without a 1 year lock down and thats not going to happen. Forget international travel unless 100% essential in Future...
80
17/12/2020 13:58:59 9 10
bbc
I've still managed to travel abroad for holidays several times this year with no issues. You just have to adapt. Don't be so defeatist!
91
17/12/2020 14:04:55 0 0
bbc
I managed to get a trip in September.

Meant 14 days at home when I got back.

International travel will return next year once people are vaccinated.
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17/12/2020 13:57:19 43 6
bbc
Probably just as well for the passengers flying the dropped routes. I stopped flying BA long haul (Brazil & Argentina) 20 years ago when its service went frankly, down the pan. I do occasionally fly them in Europe, when its convenient due to a direct flight or flight timing that no other airline has & I can report that absolutely nothing has changed. Mediocre BA is still alive & just about kicking
259
17/12/2020 15:21:52 17 2
bbc
I concur, I did exactly the same. BA's value proposition just does not cutit.
284
17/12/2020 15:30:11 3 1
bbc
Agree completely from bitter experience. Their attitude to customers is appalling. My worse flight ever was with BA. A relative who was flying business class all over the world now refuses to fly with them again after his flight was diverted and he was left all night in the wrong airport with zilch assistance.
292
17/12/2020 15:38:08 3 1
bbc
I agree, I went to Australia 20 years ago by BA and the cabin service was awful. After that I used Emirates, Singapore, Cathay etc and all brilliant. A trip to Cape Town last year on BA showed that their cabin service was just as awful as 20 years ago.
434
17/12/2020 17:07:18 0 1
bbc
I gave up with them a couple of years ago when they cancelled my Jeddah flight when I was on the way to the airport. Customer Service just told me to rebook the following day. They did not care that I needed to be there for the morning for work. I was a silver Exec Club but still treated like s**t and have had more cancellations since. Now fly LH and Emirates for work. Great ??
454
17/12/2020 17:28:46 0 1
bbc
More 'bailing wire and gaffer tape' than 'alive' same as with the crap Heathrow experience. Back in the '80s 90s I thought Beijing was 'poor', then I returned to UK for a trip and realised Heathrow was a stronger contender for 'worst out there' and flying with 'BA' the depths of despair.
490
17/12/2020 18:47:51 0 1
bbc
My father worked almost 40 years for BOAC / BA and would be spinning in his grave at the way they operate now. Service levels are disturbingly low for a national carrier.
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EmC
17/12/2020 13:11:37 84 17
bbc
I suspect that there is not enough passengers to justify flying from those airports. Who should subsidise? They are running a business not a charity!
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pTc
17/12/2020 13:57:24 7 3
bbc
Not enough passengers. Every single time I have been to Manchester at any time of day, its has been jam packed.
98
17/12/2020 14:09:12 5 0
bbc
passengers don't equal revenue necessarily, just because a flight is busy it doesn't mean it is profitable
55
Ray
17/12/2020 13:51:13 195 25
bbc
If your story is about long-haul routes for goodness sake show a picture of a long-haul aeroplane. Simple!
76
17/12/2020 13:55:26 30 8
bbc
Ahhh Ray, that would mean a BBC journalist doing some actual research, no chance :)
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Ray
17/12/2020 13:51:13 195 25
bbc
If your story is about long-haul routes for goodness sake show a picture of a long-haul aeroplane. Simple!
77
17/12/2020 13:58:38 24 7
bbc
Any old airplane will suffice for those not wearing anoraks
172
17/12/2020 14:50:27 7 2
bbc
Or an IQ lower than average.
273
17/12/2020 15:26:30 2 0
bbc
Why?
422
17/12/2020 16:59:06 0 0
bbc
not really. "inform and educate"

so do it
35
17/12/2020 13:43:24 12 16
bbc
Open your eyes to other countries not making a complete mess of this! Most of Far East have smashed it and it’s people abide by the rules.
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JB
17/12/2020 13:58:43 28 4
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Totally agree! Much of south-east Asia is operating normally... Hong Kong is completely back to normal. The reason? People wear masks routinely when they have any respiratory illness even a cold, they tend to abide by rules that make sense for the overall community, they respect each other.....
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17/12/2020 14:46:26 15 3
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Quite, if Europe's society behaved more like the Chinese this epidemic would have never started in the first place - hang on, wait a minute, I need to think this through.
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17/12/2020 20:11:10 1 0
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Hong Kong is nowhere near normal , they recently banned eating out .. its not normal or even close to it.
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17/12/2020 13:43:29 1 12
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What a mad suggestion - BA is heading for the big Black Hole in the sky and you are suggesting buying their shares? Most of the UK-based (utilities) and private companies are now in foreign hands - the list is huge - even if you bought only one stock in every business you would be bankrupt before you got halfway down the list.
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17/12/2020 13:58:44 0 0
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You would this the share price would have gone down today. Depends if you think its likely to bounce back and for how long you're willing to invest for.
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17/12/2020 13:56:40 2 14
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"BA has said it does not expect international travel to return the pre-pandemic levels until 2023."

If they think the pandemic will be over by 2023 they are having a laugh. This one is here to stay without a 1 year lock down and thats not going to happen. Forget international travel unless 100% essential in Future...
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17/12/2020 13:58:59 9 10
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I've still managed to travel abroad for holidays several times this year with no issues. You just have to adapt. Don't be so defeatist!
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17/12/2020 14:02:00 0 1
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Well covids been with us a years now, how are we doing so far ?
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17/12/2020 14:11:52 1 0
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Life for some people is just one big holiday, lucky you, nothing is going to stop you enjoying yourself !
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18/12/2020 11:03:00 1 0
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'I've still managed to travel abroad for holidays several times this year with no issues.'

Except the risk of carrying a new virus from one country to another that could contain it if it weren't for tourism - not to mention the permanent environmental damage. Did you calculate the risk of someone dying before flying?

There are ways of having fun without being completely oblivious.
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17/12/2020 13:59:20 10 2
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Most of those routes are probably covered by the "One World" alliance of which BA is part of. It makes sense to code share these flights...........
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17/12/2020 13:56:05 5 8
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BA is 1 of the worst airlines over priced tickets...cramped seats Aeroflot emirates Norwegian 10 times better
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17/12/2020 13:59:55 7 1
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If Norwegian are still flying by Spring I will be amazed.
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17/12/2020 15:25:41 0 0
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That Aeroflot are flying at all, I am amazed
520
17/12/2020 21:25:20 0 0
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Many travel companies and airlines will be in trouble if people don't book trips abroad in the Summer
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17/12/2020 12:59:46 13 8
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"Afterwards it should be severely curtailed to help tackle climate change" The Government deny my wife and step son a visa to live in the UK so I have to travel to see them. In your draconian World would family visit flights also be banned.
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17/12/2020 14:00:38 6 5
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Nobody is forcing you to fly back and forward, it's not the UK's fault you chose to marry somebody from another country, you made that choice
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17/12/2020 13:55:08 6 4
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No.
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17/12/2020 14:01:15 2 1
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Would you like to expand on that a little?.... ??????
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DrR
17/12/2020 13:44:26 12 2
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I have a flight booked for June next year. I hope it gets cancelled because I don't think this mess will be sorted out by then.
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17/12/2020 14:01:34 13 1
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Erm, you could always cancel it yourself? Took me about ten minutes on the phone to get a full refund for my skiing holiday flights.
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17/12/2020 13:52:14 13 3
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Oh! Now it makes sense...
Is the reduction in flights, destinations & passenger numbers why Heathrow needs a 3rd runway?
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17/12/2020 14:01:59 7 0
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It will take 10 years to build that runway if it ever happens.
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17/12/2020 14:15:50 2 0
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specially with BoJo lying down in front of the bulldozers.
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17/12/2020 17:23:12 1 0
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If its like HS2 make it more like 30 years and 5000% overspent
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17/12/2020 18:16:50 0 0
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The poiunt is that it allows the Heathrow Monopoly to continue for another 80-years when in reality a new hub airport is needed and Heathrow redeveloped for housing and small businesses. Criminal we have an airport within the capital's main ring road. No other country considers this the 'future', ONLY Heathrow Airport Monopoly Ltd.
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17/12/2020 13:58:59 9 10
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I've still managed to travel abroad for holidays several times this year with no issues. You just have to adapt. Don't be so defeatist!
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17/12/2020 14:02:00 0 1
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Well covids been with us a years now, how are we doing so far ?
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17/12/2020 14:03:27 3 6
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T3 article on same page as little girl killed by air pollution.
Travel is a very British thing with has been celebrities making the same old documentaries whilst doing millions of air miles and not one including Attenborough had ever acknowledged their actions.Millions inspired to follow them .Awful for jobs lost,but tell that to the Amazon loggers.We are no better.
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17/12/2020 14:03:45 2 2
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.... and if there's a need for the routes in the future, someone else will pick them up ... Wowzer's there's some news !
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17/12/2020 14:08:30 0 0
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If there's sufficient demand in the future, BA will reinstate the routes.
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Uzz
17/12/2020 13:38:23 10 12
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IF we are to get net zero CO2 emissions they will have to stop all routes!
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17/12/2020 14:03:54 2 1
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Or switch to different forms of propulsion, as is now being developed. Creating false dichotomies does not bring realistic solutions to problems.

Travel broadens the mind, and we should seek balanced solutions
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17/12/2020 15:19:49 0 0
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Agree with your last point, but you can forget other forms of propulsion- The best science in the world can't manage it, apart from a few unrealistic non- real world demos.
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17/12/2020 13:56:40 2 14
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"BA has said it does not expect international travel to return the pre-pandemic levels until 2023."

If they think the pandemic will be over by 2023 they are having a laugh. This one is here to stay without a 1 year lock down and thats not going to happen. Forget international travel unless 100% essential in Future...
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17/12/2020 14:04:55 0 0
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I managed to get a trip in September.

Meant 14 days at home when I got back.

International travel will return next year once people are vaccinated.
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Da
17/12/2020 13:48:06 10 0
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And now the other one has to self isolate...
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17/12/2020 14:07:08 13 0
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Actually the other sheep farmer has formed a travel tunnel / bubble (Tubble) with the Isle of Wight. Sorry what was the news item about?
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17/12/2020 14:59:02 4 0
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Don't mention the Isle of Wight, we're being invaded by Down From London types .DFL. They are everywhere like headless chickens .
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17/12/2020 14:07:15 6 0
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BA, one of Thatcher's great success stories. Don't they dare come to public purse begging bowl.
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17/12/2020 15:07:34 2 0
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Oh they will, they will.
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17/12/2020 13:51:12 12 13
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Good, we need to wean ourselves away from ever increasing travel, for the sake of the planet. We have such a beautiful isle here in the UK, it has everything you need.
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17/12/2020 14:06:11 7 0
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Need to wean ourselves off over population too, that will have much more of a benificial effect on the planet!
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17/12/2020 14:03:45 2 2
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.... and if there's a need for the routes in the future, someone else will pick them up ... Wowzer's there's some news !
95
17/12/2020 14:08:30 0 0
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If there's sufficient demand in the future, BA will reinstate the routes.
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17/12/2020 13:31:57 111 4
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I thought under current restrictions that the only people allowed to travel were two sheep farmers living in Cornwall. And MPs.
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17/12/2020 14:08:59 8 1
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Its allowed if you are going for an eye test
Perhaps they can ask for a EU handout before we leave, under the level playing-field no state aid rules the EU gave Lufthansa £12 billion and Air France/KLM £11billion this year.
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17/12/2020 15:31:50 3 2
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No, they did not,

Lufthansa got 9bn euros from the German Govt in exchange for 20% of the company, ergo didn't break any EU rules on state aid.

Air France/KLM took repayable LOANS, not "subsidies" from the French & Dutch Govt's.

"the aid came in the form of direct loans and guarantees "

Stop telling porkies!
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pTc
17/12/2020 13:57:24 7 3
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Not enough passengers. Every single time I have been to Manchester at any time of day, its has been jam packed.
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17/12/2020 14:09:12 5 0
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passengers don't equal revenue necessarily, just because a flight is busy it doesn't mean it is profitable
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17/12/2020 13:46:03 32 10
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Why was it controversial to make 10,000 staff redundant in the summer? The management have to make a decision based on the information that they have and expectations of the future. It is highly likely the air travel will be reduced for a significant period of time. Is BA and other companies meant to never make employees redundant.
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17/12/2020 14:10:13 27 14
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Because they did it whilst they were still eligible for full furlough payments and so retaining those staff wasn't costing them much, it was odd and somewhat cruel to not wait and make all those people unemployed despite it not really saving money to do it then.
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17/12/2020 14:21:22 6 4
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The other side of that argument would be, why should a company use tax payers money to retain staff they know are going to be made redundant. Furlough is there to ensure staff are retained for when business opens up. It is clear this will be a long time for airlines, far longer than any furlough scheme will last.
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17/12/2020 14:28:32 6 3
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Perhaps a bit cruel but then people with no prospect of a job after furlough ends should not be kept on furlough at all - it’s supposed to be for viable jobs.

Furlough costs tax payers - some of those people will find other jobs, reskill, some will have savings and the rest should be supported by the state through unemployment benefits.
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17/12/2020 14:38:59 5 1
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Wasn't costing them much? Well other than the 20% of their salary. Which for 10000 staff is, well a lot. Given the income they were getting was close to zero.
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17/12/2020 16:09:06 1 0
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It was cruel and unrealistic to keep people on in jobs that no longer exist. Only Johnson and Sunak believe in doing that - using borrowed money that will load future generations with unsustainable debt - just to rig the unemployment figures. Wait till furlough ends. You ain't seen nothing yet!
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17/12/2020 13:05:20 80 24
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London Airways doesn't even want to fly from Manchester, Birmingham or Edinburgh, so I can't say this news bothers me.
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17/12/2020 14:10:27 7 0
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If there isn't the demand to fly from Manchester, Birmingham or Edinburgh then why would they run the routes? They aren't a charity.
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17/12/2020 15:51:04 1 0
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Pre pandemic there was demand, which is why other airlines operate flights. BA have primarily become a London based airline, and have become largely irrelevant to a large part of the country. Easier to fly now to a continental hub such as Amsterdam