UK and US in talks over mini trade deal
17/12/2020 | news | business | 1,221
US trade chief Robert Lighthizer says he is working with Liz Truss on a deal to reduce trade tariffs.
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17/12/2020 10:18:35 68 51
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Mini-chlorine nuggets.

Cheers 'brexit' - Not.
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17/12/2020 10:30:01 46 27
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Love the comment

"outside of the EU, the UK had "no authority" ...

Taking Back CONtrol
Two nations with administrations that are struggling to come to terms with and implement the results of democratic votes.

But with the difference that the USA will be far better off after Trexit.
The boundless hypocrisy of die-hard EU apologists.

Let's be honest here, if it was EU torture food horsemeat marinated in bleach you'd be on here making excuses about the single market and freedom of choice.
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17/12/2020 10:26:25 10 16
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Surely not a trade deal with the US? I thought all you remainer types were backing Biden to put Ireland’s interests before that of the UK?

Seems our defence relationship trumps all that nonsense.

PS - less chlorine than in a quinoa and mung bean salad.
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17/12/2020 10:44:27 8 10
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Prefer your EU horse lasagne?
17/12/2020 15:51:49 0 1
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I came here for the "bleached chicken" comments, wasn't disappointed.
Re-joiners are just so predictable.
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17/12/2020 10:18:56 25 27
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Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken.
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17/12/2020 10:24:26 19 15
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Yet I bet you swim in a swimming pool full of much stronger Chlorine.
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17/12/2020 10:30:00 9 5
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I suspect you have done little research into the chlorine chicken argument. After all the chlorine itself isn't the issue, bagged salad is washed in chlorine before it gets to you. It's about making sure the practices prior are good.

Also if it did ever come to pass you wouldn't actually have to buy it... ??
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17/12/2020 10:27:55 4 3
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It won’t. It really won’t. I’m guessing you used to get hot under the collar when people dissed EU rules about straight bananas?
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17/12/2020 10:39:38 3 2
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Here's a shock, if you see chicken on the shelves from USA you don't have to buy it. Buy the more expensive chicken.
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17/12/2020 11:13:11 2 2
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Even if it did come here you would not be obliged to eat it.
I only eat British chicken so I have no worries.
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17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
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Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:22:25 5 10
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Trade deals often take years and years to set up while this will have taken less a month.... should we trust such a thing?

#slight tongue in cheek comment intesnded (used the anti-vax argument for trade)
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17/12/2020 10:23:48 3 8
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Clutching at straws?
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17/12/2020 10:24:52 4 12
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If it is anyth8ing like the Japan deal then it won't be to the benefit of the UK. You also seem to have conveniently forgotten that the majority of UK based Manufacturing/Engineering Co. are multinational; so without a Free Trade Deal with EU we cannot compete & they will close these firms & move to EU. That is why BrExthick Supporter Jim Ratcliffe decided to set up in France to be close to EU.
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17/12/2020 10:27:35 3 11
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I don't think anyone ever said that. But the deal the UK will get will be a very bad one (eg having to accept lower food and farming welfare standards) as we have put ourselves in a very weak position by leaving the EU.
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17/12/2020 10:28:31 3 8
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A good trade deal takes years. This is the status quo + some benefits to the USA (bourbon, steel, etc) and one for the UK (whisky). And it has to be ratified surely, and will the democrat house let this pass at this stage in the government handover?

Undoubtedly it will be massively one-sided, and not in the UK's favour.
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17/12/2020 10:35:31 2 6
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BrEthick supporters clutching at straws. Anything to make Brexit look worthwhile as it is currently looking like the only winners will be the Super Rich who will continue to enjoy the benefits of offshore tax havens
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OwO
17/12/2020 10:20:30 17 17
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Yet another HYS on Brexit, BBC, where we have nothing concrete but an attempt to make a deal. Why? Let us talk about something else for a change.
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17/12/2020 10:22:16 8 3
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HYS on UK trade deals as Brexit has been done.
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17/12/2020 10:23:30 2 7
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Sure brexit already happened, this is an international trade story.

you won, get over it
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17/12/2020 10:42:06 3 2
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Yeah, let's pretend Brexit (and Covid) don't exist shall we.

PS Why are you here then?
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17/12/2020 10:55:24 2 1
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Sunny uplands and unicorns presumably? Why are you here?
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17/12/2020 10:21:15 185 23
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Boris should really be talking to the Biden / Harris administration about something long term
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17/12/2020 10:23:54 77 27
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Politics requires good headlines to counteract the UK/EU negotiation headlines.
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17/12/2020 10:30:09 8 34
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No point. Biden and Harris are so implacably hostile to the UK we need to get something in place and wait for the next Republican president for a full trade deal.
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17/12/2020 10:42:44 8 18
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Why? They’re not in office.
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17/12/2020 10:43:59 8 28
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Good luck with that!

Biden HATES the UK based on his Irish roots and Harris sees the UK as the purveyor of slavery rather than the country who put a stop to it worldwide via our naval might.

Trump, for all his faults, loves the UK.
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17/12/2020 10:44:21 22 2
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Too right. Lightizer knows damn well that He or his President have absolutely no mandate or power to conclude a deal, as that has to be ratified by Congress on a Majority which they don't have.

This has nothing to do with a 'Special get it before its gone' deal, but far more about making the UK part of the Scorched Earth policy for the incoming administration.
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17/12/2020 10:51:15 3 21
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Biden is not President yet, a quick deal seems prudent...
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17/12/2020 10:59:23 10 1
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The implication in your comment is that the idiot would be doing something sensible.
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17/12/2020 11:06:20 8 1
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Quite right. Judging from the comments above, Lighthizer's been tone deaf to the last 2 years of public reaction on chicken, NHS and the like. Given that and the congress situation and I dont think this is going to come to much.
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17/12/2020 10:47:34 0 6
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Long term? Have you seen uncle joe lately? We have four years at best from him
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17/12/2020 10:57:50 4 0
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They don't like the clown , won't be their number one priority.
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17/12/2020 11:00:10 2 0
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I think Biden has enough on his plate just trying to gain access to the Whitehouse to be bothered with trade negotiations lol
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17/12/2020 12:02:49 0 3
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Hence a mini deal? Stepping stone to something more comprehensive later.
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17/12/2020 12:30:34 1 4
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At the moment Trump is still President, so we have to deal with him.
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17/12/2020 13:39:21 1 2
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130% (dominion mathematics) Biden will be president elect for around 37 days if he’s lucky!
MVS
17/12/2020 15:03:57 1 0
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And do you actually think that he and Raab and the entire F&CO are not?
Pip
17/12/2020 15:50:32 2 0
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But he still thinks his mate hasn't lost............?
17/12/2020 16:34:32 0 1
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he,s not the president yet duh
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17/12/2020 10:21:15 144 27
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I get the importance of getting a trade deal negotiated with the USA, but are we negotiating with the wrong people? I mean a completely different administration will be taking over in less than a month.
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17/12/2020 10:22:49 47 63
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Governments change all the time.
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17/12/2020 10:45:55 5 25
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Yes they will and we will be at 'the back of the queue' again.

Democrats are not only the historic party of slavery and Jim Crow but also the party who historically despises the UK.

Get it done whilst we have our friends in office, they aren't there for much longer!
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17/12/2020 10:46:45 8 3
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There is no way this will get anywhere in a month, especially as in the US all trade deals need to be agreed by both houses, unlike in the UK where MPs voted away their rights to scrutinise deals. This is just a news diversion by the Tories.
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17/12/2020 10:52:23 2 10
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It's important to get things started.

An interim deal is good for both sides; and it will be more difficult politically for Biden to abandon something that's already in progress, than to be in no rush to initiate something that hasn't yet started.
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17/12/2020 12:03:53 0 1
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The current session can still pass what is touted as a mini-deal. The next administration can work on something more comprehensive if they wish.
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17/12/2020 13:42:40 1 2
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Election was 130% rigged! Only blind idiots that refuse to look at the evidence could state otherwise! I do nothing think TRUMP is going anywhere Biden will concede when the real evidence is exposed!
17/12/2020 15:51:37 0 1
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As here the people on the front page are NOT the people who run the country. We are run by the civil service, all oxbridge educated and UK hating (same as Philby, Blunt et al). The US is hardly a friend either, look at what they forced the Labour party to do to TSR2 and by extension the total US instructed demolition of our aerospace industry because we make better planes than them!
17/12/2020 20:23:51 0 0
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tbh both sides should refrain from penning anything. There is uncertainty regarding what the next US admin will do/say, and uncertainty as to what post-brexit UK economic rules will be.
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17/12/2020 10:21:57 183 17
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“Mr Lighthizer confirmed that the Trump administration were still planning to hit back against countries levying digital services tax hitting big US tech firms "unfairly".”

This is completely wrong. He might claim to be looking out for US interests, but not the interests of all citizens. Tech firms must be taxed fairly to ensure fairer competition and gain much needed tax revenue.
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17/12/2020 11:05:59 35 29
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He is right. There is no place for spite based taxation. Taxes should be fair to all, not related to a particular more modern efficient method. They happen to be largely usa based, and so look and are anti one place. Changing local busines taxes to turnover charged and paid in the local area for all budiness equally would be more sensible.
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17/12/2020 11:08:38 9 5
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Agreed, but an interesting point - in recent days Bezo's ex-wife has donated $4.2 billion to help those in need from the pandemic.

So in a way, tax avoiders are actually looking after the poor better than the US government.

What a weird situation.
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17/12/2020 11:09:59 1 6
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Not surprising though, why would US want to lose all the tax revenue? Just like we don't want to lose all our fish to Europe! In both cases, it would be much more fair for everyone to share in the pie...
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17/12/2020 12:50:56 1 2
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Lighthizer said " particularly the current government of the UK - are not big subsidisers"

If that is the case, why the problem over subsidies in the EU trade talks? It should be easy for the UK to accept the EU concerns over state subsidies if we're not doing it. Why also accept US state subsidies on Boeing if we're not going to use them? Sounds like some double standards going on.
17/12/2020 15:48:22 0 0
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Its simple enough, change our tax rules to tax companies on the money they take in the UK. Money taken online is money taken in the UK. Simple enough, if facebook, google, amazon et al dont like it then they can take a hike, we can do without them.
17/12/2020 20:20:57 0 0
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He is looking out for US interests and being treated fairly, as he should do. As for fairness.. well what is "fair"? Tech companies pay what they owe countries for property, employees, and digital sales. You can't run around say "tax them fairly" while targeting them unfairly. Taxes on tech should be equal on all, both foreign and domestic otherwise it is a tariff veiled under egalitarian words.
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17/12/2020 10:20:30 17 17
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Yet another HYS on Brexit, BBC, where we have nothing concrete but an attempt to make a deal. Why? Let us talk about something else for a change.
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17/12/2020 10:22:16 8 3
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HYS on UK trade deals as Brexit has been done.
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17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
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Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:22:25 5 10
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Trade deals often take years and years to set up while this will have taken less a month.... should we trust such a thing?

#slight tongue in cheek comment intesnded (used the anti-vax argument for trade)
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17/12/2020 10:22:44 81 46
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"He also indicated that the US team were never convinced that the UK was actually going fully to depart from EU trade rules, because of the sheer amount of UK-EU trade, despite that being the stated policy of the current government."

Seems everybody in the world knows Bozo is a liar.... except Brexiteers.
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17/12/2020 10:35:48 16 10
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He’s going to walk away one day ??
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17/12/2020 10:21:15 144 27
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I get the importance of getting a trade deal negotiated with the USA, but are we negotiating with the wrong people? I mean a completely different administration will be taking over in less than a month.
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17/12/2020 10:22:49 47 63
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Governments change all the time.
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17/12/2020 10:24:49 22 7
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Yes but given what Trump is like, who knows if he is trying to wreck things / benefit himself before he is escorted out of the white house
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17/12/2020 10:33:37 19 8
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OK, let's get rid of ours, NOW!
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17/12/2020 11:52:51 2 0
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This one changes in weeks
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17/12/2020 12:57:52 0 0
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Oh yeah ! Never spotted that.
17/12/2020 16:22:29 0 1
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Not if you have a socialist government they don't.
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17/12/2020 10:23:18 14 14
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Laughable. This is why we are back or the queue. Johnson still pandering to trump and alienating the power for the next decade...Kamala Harris
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17/12/2020 10:28:44 7 8
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Given that the US Democrats are generally hostile to the UK there is no point in trying to appease Mr Biden or Ms Harris. Both are anti-British and Mr Biden was as supporter of the IRA when they were bombing Britain. In trying for a small trade agreement the UK is acting sensibly.
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17/12/2020 10:23:28 102 27
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Beats me. US companies are all over the UK. US Amazon is wrecking retail. Why do we need a trade deal? It seems to me the US can do whatever it wants.
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17/12/2020 10:48:19 25 85
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Yep, filling in the gaps caused by greedy local councils who have strangled the high street and incompetent boards running uk companies.
And don’t forget the idiot scientists instilling the fear of God in us all and making us stay at home.
Maybe you could point us in the direction of a decent UK equivalent?
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17/12/2020 11:34:51 3 3
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We don't really need a trade deal with the US, we operate a massive surplus with it. Unlike the EU which we have a huge deficit with. No Deal would probably be best with the EU, would help to balance trade and manufacturing. And for those going 'tariffs on cars bla bla bla', most German badged cars sold in the UK are actually made in South Africa, so no deal would not affect them!
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OwO
17/12/2020 10:20:30 17 17
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Yet another HYS on Brexit, BBC, where we have nothing concrete but an attempt to make a deal. Why? Let us talk about something else for a change.
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17/12/2020 10:23:30 2 7
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Sure brexit already happened, this is an international trade story.

you won, get over it
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17/12/2020 10:23:37 73 42
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The US is well aware how weak and desperate Bozo is now...
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17/12/2020 10:26:48 54 8
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US is probably trying to scupper future Biden negotiations with UK.
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17/12/2020 10:45:27 4 2
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just like Trump
17/12/2020 18:47:07 0 0
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If he has an 80 seat majority he is not weak.
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17/12/2020 10:23:45 77 47
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Please stop with the HYS on Brexit, BBC. People can only speculate anyway and it seems you just want to invite and incite deeper divisions. Get with the season and try to create harmony when we need that more than ever just now.
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17/12/2020 10:24:46 45 41
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no chance hys is awesome
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17/12/2020 10:30:30 16 14
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If it's a problem, stop contributing to it.

If you genuinely have a complaint make it in the complaints section.

It really isn't difficult...
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17/12/2020 10:34:52 15 19
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Brexiteer putting fingers in ears and humming loudly while dreaming of those unicorn and sunny uplands - marvellous!
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17/12/2020 10:29:38 13 5
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The BBC has changed the HYS formats and number they open to drive traffic to their website. They are looking to how they can maximise advertising revenue once the Government pull the licence fee.
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17/12/2020 11:55:45 2 2
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We need harmony due to Brexit which is a Tory decision and the tories have muddled the handling of the negotiations.

What do you want the bbc to report? Happy stores about Boris at home with his kids on Xmas day? We don’t even know how many kids he has
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17/12/2020 12:16:13 2 1
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This is thr real world. Critical journalism is needed more than ever. Thank you BBC for telling facts and not harmony fairy tales from Russia. We need transparency over Brexit messs. Not harmony lies.
Boris says use your personal judgement re Christmas. Judging by this comment and the support for it, it appears many people are incapable of making their own choices. If a Brexit HYS causes you problems you can choose to avoid it.
Do you really need the BBC to decide what you debate?
17/12/2020 18:18:37 0 0
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so you want to live in an authoritarian regime.
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17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
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Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:23:48 3 8
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Clutching at straws?
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17/12/2020 10:21:15 185 23
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Boris should really be talking to the Biden / Harris administration about something long term
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17/12/2020 10:23:54 77 27
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Politics requires good headlines to counteract the UK/EU negotiation headlines.
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17/12/2020 11:36:37 2 0
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it is very unlikely they would get deal anyway, Biden would just cancel it.
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17/12/2020 11:52:38 1 0
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And COVID crisis
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17/12/2020 10:18:56 25 27
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Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken.
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17/12/2020 10:24:26 19 15
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Yet I bet you swim in a swimming pool full of much stronger Chlorine.
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17/12/2020 10:34:13 5 4
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Why are you so clueless about the reason US chicken is chlorinated?

Are you being deliberately ignorant?
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17/12/2020 10:38:18 4 4
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After all this time you STILL don't know what the issue is? You must deliberately avoid or deny information to be so ignorant for so long!

It's NOT the chlorine, it's the need to use it because the chicken is riddled with bugs due to poor intensive rearing processes.

OK?
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17/12/2020 12:12:22 0 0
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Yum !
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17/12/2020 10:24:34 4 15
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Global trade is a climate change enabler.
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17/12/2020 12:15:23 0 0
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Would you prefer trump ?
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17/12/2020 10:24:37 76 22
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It's a shame that Brexit timelines have meant this process be sped up but seems good news to start with a mini trade deal to help things continue before talking more post-Brexit.

Also the fact that tarrifs look set to be reduce on both sides is a good thing.
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17/12/2020 10:46:55 35 7
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All the same, if we wait until end of January we might get a better deal.
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17/12/2020 12:13:12 0 2
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Wrong. Airbus will shut down its plants in UK. Meaning more unemployed people. Brexit is a big lose for UK, since our small country is not able to be competitive all one in a globalized world.
17/12/2020 16:40:39 1 0
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Tariff reduction is a good thing if you are exporting more than importing. Now in the case of USA it does depend on whose figures you look at. UK figures claim we do best, US figures that they do... I wonder what the real truth is? Probably never find out
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17/12/2020 10:23:45 77 47
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Please stop with the HYS on Brexit, BBC. People can only speculate anyway and it seems you just want to invite and incite deeper divisions. Get with the season and try to create harmony when we need that more than ever just now.
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17/12/2020 10:24:46 45 41
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no chance hys is awesome
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17/12/2020 10:27:23 16 9
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Oh the horror, we would miss your incisive and balanced comments.
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17/12/2020 11:07:50 1 0
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Hys is brilliant. Ever since the referendum it's been a daily delight for the referendum winners to lord it over the losers.

And visa versa as the losing side were able to block brexit for over three years and rightly lorded it over leavers. It's all harmless fun
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17/12/2020 10:22:49 47 63
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Governments change all the time.
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17/12/2020 10:24:49 22 7
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Yes but given what Trump is like, who knows if he is trying to wreck things / benefit himself before he is escorted out of the white house
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17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
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Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:24:52 4 12
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If it is anyth8ing like the Japan deal then it won't be to the benefit of the UK. You also seem to have conveniently forgotten that the majority of UK based Manufacturing/Engineering Co. are multinational; so without a Free Trade Deal with EU we cannot compete & they will close these firms & move to EU. That is why BrExthick Supporter Jim Ratcliffe decided to set up in France to be close to EU.
Liz Truss? The cheese woman? Her? it’s just comical the absolute dolts we have: her, Williamson, Hancock and worzil gummidge leading it all. Private education really does get you somewhere with no talent whatsoever. Removed
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17/12/2020 10:25:03 4 10
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Darth Tory
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"Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken."

I love chlorine, fluorine, iodine,bromine....
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17/12/2020 10:31:32 3 5
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Fluorine is added to tap water in the UK so you'd better stop drinking that too.
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17/12/2020 10:25:46 4 6
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Bojo still trying to outsmart the EU
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17/12/2020 10:41:09 5 1
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Really? He ouldn't outsmart his own comb!
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17/12/2020 10:26:00 10 16
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Let’s play chlorinated chicken bingo. Have a drink everyone a remoaner says it, even though it’s already been stated many times that it won’t be imported. Cheers!
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17/12/2020 10:30:29 13 3
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The same chlorine washing process used on EU vegetables that we happily eat now. It's not the chlorine that's the issue - it's the poor sanitation methods its covering up. If the US wants to sell us their chicken, they need to meet our animal welfare and hygiene standards.
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17/12/2020 10:36:10 3 2
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Who said it won't be imported and when?
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17/12/2020 10:42:56 3 2
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It's been stated many times by... politicians, who have a bit of a reputation for saying one thing and then doing something different. Do you actually trust them?
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17/12/2020 10:49:41 2 1
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Chlorine wash does not permeate deep into the meat and remove any harmful bacteria there.

So if you have carcasses hanging around in dirty areas, a chlorine wash is not going to suffice.

Which is why we have high hygiene standards in abattoirs.
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17/12/2020 10:23:37 73 42
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The US is well aware how weak and desperate Bozo is now...
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17/12/2020 10:26:48 54 8
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US is probably trying to scupper future Biden negotiations with UK.
Got it on the nail Crasie.

Been trying to explain why the Trump administration can't possibly do Trade deals now, or ever could unless they had won the Election AND a two thirds majority in Congress.

They only have to check this out online, but the thickos with the blinkers just don't get it's a complete con by Lightizer with the UK as useful Idiot.
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17/12/2020 10:27:07 41 13
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Is it me or does this seem like desperation? Try and hold onto a shred of a positive outcome in the face of a no deal scenario? It seems completely redundant to be negotiating this with an outgoing administration. The Biden administration has made it clear that their absolute priority is preserving the GFA, which 'no deal' undermines - it won't get through Congress for the same reasons.
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17/12/2020 10:30:02 21 24
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It's you.
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17/12/2020 11:03:15 2 5
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Yep, definitely you.
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17/12/2020 11:18:03 0 4
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Yuo have to remember that Irish Americans do not run congress, nor do they have any form of majority. There are plenty of GB sympathisers in the US, and more specifically anti-Irish in Congress to help.
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17/12/2020 12:17:24 1 1
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It's desperation.
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17/12/2020 13:32:23 1 2
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Keep up...the contentious clause has been removed from the Internal Markets Bill as we have reached a separate agreement with the EU to avoid cross border checks!

Something that could have been worked out years ago had the EU been negotiating good faith. Ireland was always the achilles heel that would derail Brexit which is why they made such a meal of it!
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17/12/2020 10:24:46 45 41
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no chance hys is awesome
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17/12/2020 10:27:23 16 9
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Oh the horror, we would miss your incisive and balanced comments.
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17/12/2020 10:27:28 17 27
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I'd much rather have the USA as a trading partner than the EU. Shared language, shared values, more reliable, richer.

Europe has just dragged the UK down for the last 100 years. Two world wars (thanks Germany) have bankrupted us twice. The creation of the EU in the 90s was done to enslave the UK, not to make it prosper.

The EU is finished, the USA is still growing.
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17/12/2020 10:31:56 12 4
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Prediction of the EU's imminent demise #300,991.
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17/12/2020 10:33:16 11 2
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What are you on about shared values, when did the British ever believe in the right to carry arms, no national health service & the highest poverty rate in the western world etc etc etc.
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17/12/2020 10:35:04 11 3
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I don't see many shared values with the US. A puritanical religious society that puts money above all else, doesn't even provide free health care, loves guns, and extremely right wing.

We are next to the EU and have been shaped by this geographic fact for thousands of years.

"Enslave' what tosh, take a good hard look at yourself.
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17/12/2020 10:38:40 2 4
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You are right Limey you be doing that enslaving for centuries Now let the US do it to you
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Groan!
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17/12/2020 10:40:29 5 1
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Shared values?
Like US firearm laws?
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17/12/2020 10:44:15 6 1
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US values:
- Intentionally poor education to raise factory workers
- Appalling wage inequality
- Making money out of sick people
- Bare faced corruption
- Suing at every opportunity to get rich
- Absolutely no respect for the environment

Yeh there is a lot to be respected there...

Getting closer to the American market will just flood us with their cheap rubbish.
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17/12/2020 10:47:35 4 1
bbc
A large slice of that bankrupting was at the hands of 'our friends' the USA. High interest loans to pay for military equipment bought from the USA. You seem to forget that the USA prospered from World War 2 . They are no longer the prosperous nation you seem to think. China is out stripping them
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17/12/2020 11:19:49 2 0
bbc
Drivel!
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17/12/2020 10:27:30 11 7
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Good luck with that, the moment Trump catches wind of proceedings he will want to be personally involved with a list of demands given to him by the pharmaceutical industry.

We need to be damn wary of last minute deals, that's how US law-making works, ridiculous amendments are thrown in at the last minute, changing or adding to the entire function of the bill.
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17/12/2020 10:32:42 6 3
bbc
We seem to like rushed last minute deals with US and EU both on the go at the same time.

What could possibly go wrong !
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17/12/2020 10:27:32 20 20
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Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't. That's the wonderful thing about living in a free society, we have choice. And if people don't eat the stuff, then there wont be a market for it. So they will stop exporting it.
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17/12/2020 10:30:34 35 5
bbc
The problem with Chlorinated Chicken is the cruel farming methods that result in the requirement to treat the carcasses with chlorine. And even so, cases of food poisoning from chicken in the US are far higher than in the UK or EU. Food safety regulations actually matter.

Also, cheap US chicken will kill off UK chicken farms who won't be able to compete.
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17/12/2020 10:31:40 15 2
bbc
You only have a choice if the Chicken is clearly labelled

"CHLORINATED Chicken"

Which the supplier would be very keen to avoid for obvious reasons.
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17/12/2020 10:38:02 12 3
bbc
I'd agree if the chickens were clearly and prominently labelled, but they won't be, will they?
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17/12/2020 10:39:09 12 2
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You won't know. The Americans are demanding the removal of information as part of a deal.
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17/12/2020 10:47:10 7 2
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I think that you'll find that they will also insist that the origin of chicken is not allowed to be shown, so that consumers can not discriminate against their chicken!
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17/12/2020 11:19:04 2 0
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You won't know!
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17/12/2020 11:21:34 2 0
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Atomtrasher, look at what the US want, it isn't just that we accept their lower standards, they also want us to remove the country of origin. So no you won't be able to make an informed decision, we won't be living in a "free society" where we have choice, we'll be unable to tell what food we are eating from where.
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17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
bbc
Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:27:35 3 11
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I don't think anyone ever said that. But the deal the UK will get will be a very bad one (eg having to accept lower food and farming welfare standards) as we have put ourselves in a very weak position by leaving the EU.
Duty free shopping on Amazon US is the holy grail.
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17/12/2020 10:51:24 0 0
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Nah.
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17/12/2020 10:28:28 14 10
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Hahaha. .. I missed a trick; I wish I was a consultant to the government and getting paid shedloads to arrange these deals !!! What a shambles
3
17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
bbc
Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:28:31 3 8
bbc
A good trade deal takes years. This is the status quo + some benefits to the USA (bourbon, steel, etc) and one for the UK (whisky). And it has to be ratified surely, and will the democrat house let this pass at this stage in the government handover?

Undoubtedly it will be massively one-sided, and not in the UK's favour.
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17/12/2020 10:23:18 14 14
bbc
Laughable. This is why we are back or the queue. Johnson still pandering to trump and alienating the power for the next decade...Kamala Harris
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17/12/2020 10:28:44 7 8
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Given that the US Democrats are generally hostile to the UK there is no point in trying to appease Mr Biden or Ms Harris. Both are anti-British and Mr Biden was as supporter of the IRA when they were bombing Britain. In trying for a small trade agreement the UK is acting sensibly.
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17/12/2020 10:45:20 3 2
bbc
That's a pretty serious allegation which would be challenged in court if you came out of hiding! I think you'll find they are 'hostile' to the right wing extremes which we have in our current government, not Britain as such. The GFA is sacrosanct.
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17/12/2020 12:14:16 0 0
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The old ones are the best, eh.
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17/12/2020 10:29:48 97 54
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Great just what we need, a race to the bottom with the US. The UK is an global embarrassment.

Why is it that with polls showing that the public mood nolonger favours Brexit are the governemnt still blindly driving this forward.
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17/12/2020 10:44:11 51 12
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Brexit has already happened Chris, the government are trying to negotiate a trade deal for when the transition period ends, that is all.
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17/12/2020 10:49:31 11 12
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Why the race to the bottom? I thought we were at the bottom when we were dictated to by the EU?
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17/12/2020 10:50:01 12 6
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"Why is it that with polls showing that the public mood nolonger favours Brexit are the governemnt still blindly driving this forward."

It's following through on it's mandate, you cannot govern by following the fluctuations in the opinion polls. The Conservatives were often being hammered in the opinion polls during the 80s but stuck to their task and kept getting re-elected.
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17/12/2020 11:34:16 6 7
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It's because all of the polls you read are funded by rejoin supporting groups and are therefore biased. So they just support your view.
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17/12/2020 11:41:02 6 3
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What we in the UK seem to be obsessed with is telling anyone and everyone just how bad the UK is at everything. I've spent time in many countries, in Europe and further afield. It may come as a shock but it's not all milk and honey every where else.
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17/12/2020 11:04:36 6 3
bbc
This'll be the same polls that predicted a Remain win in 2016 and a hung parliament in 2019 then. If you bother to look and read you'll find that the public mood is to get the negotiations over and get on with our lives, either with or without a deal.
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17/12/2020 11:38:43 3 6
bbc
The Eu reputation world wide is in absolute ruins everyone looks how they try do trade with a democratic free country and squirms in embarrassment they are looking like a evil mafia club. Were if you want trade with the your gone have bend over and take pain.

The EU is willing cut a leg off the Uk but will loose two legs and 4 million jobs and risk riots as people loose Business THEY are crazy.
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17/12/2020 12:35:11 1 2
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And where are these Polls taken Chris Islington? They certainly do not represent the rest of the country. The government received a huge majority giving them the mandate to carry out the will of the people. Inventing fake poll figures may make you remainers feel better but the reality is you are the minority and the will of the people be done.
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17/12/2020 13:20:12 0 0
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Chris. That's democracy I'm afraid. I didn't vote for it and wish it wasn't happening. I didn't vote for lots of things which have impacted me and I did vote for lots of things which are important to me and haven't happened. The decision is made rightly or wrongly. I'm not sure how quite it will be a race to the bottom though?
17/12/2020 17:18:09 0 0
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Because the polls have forever shown that because of the limited places they choose to run them but the actual votes have every time shown we want to leave.
Besides, race to the bottom? I have no clue where you consider you found that gem... The US and UK are two of the biggest economies in the world and no I dont like them and no I dont trust them but yes I expect we will talk to them.
17/12/2020 18:45:48 0 0
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Because we voted for it and they have a mandate to deliver it. This is democracy.. Hard luck.
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17/12/2020 10:30:00 120 30
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Two administrations in dire need of a quick deal to make them look good. What could possibly go wrong.
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17/12/2020 10:49:31 20 12
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What are you talking about?
UK, US, or UK, EU?

Imo, always likely to get a bad deal if you have a timebound element to getting it done.
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17/12/2020 10:18:56 25 27
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Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken.
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17/12/2020 10:30:00 9 5
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I suspect you have done little research into the chlorine chicken argument. After all the chlorine itself isn't the issue, bagged salad is washed in chlorine before it gets to you. It's about making sure the practices prior are good.

Also if it did ever come to pass you wouldn't actually have to buy it... ??
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17/12/2020 10:37:32 4 3
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Unless the US gets their way and refuses to allow their chlorinated chicken/hormone-pumped beef to be labelled as such.
1
17/12/2020 10:18:35 68 51
bbc
Mini-chlorine nuggets.

Cheers 'brexit' - Not.
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17/12/2020 10:30:01 46 27
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Love the comment

"outside of the EU, the UK had "no authority" ...

Taking Back CONtrol
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17/12/2020 10:40:38 16 5
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Exactly. They said it will need a bit of give and take. The UK gives them some concessions and the US takes the rest!
30
17/12/2020 10:27:07 41 13
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Is it me or does this seem like desperation? Try and hold onto a shred of a positive outcome in the face of a no deal scenario? It seems completely redundant to be negotiating this with an outgoing administration. The Biden administration has made it clear that their absolute priority is preserving the GFA, which 'no deal' undermines - it won't get through Congress for the same reasons.
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17/12/2020 10:30:02 21 24
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It's you.
5
17/12/2020 10:21:15 185 23
bbc
Boris should really be talking to the Biden / Harris administration about something long term
45
17/12/2020 10:30:09 8 34
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No point. Biden and Harris are so implacably hostile to the UK we need to get something in place and wait for the next Republican president for a full trade deal.
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17/12/2020 10:52:38 16 4
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Nope, we need to tidy up our own stupid, greedy, incompetent government. Republicans don’t do politics, they do power grabbing.
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17/12/2020 11:03:09 10 1
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And what do you think the Biden administration will do with any mickey mouse mini deal we do with the Trump administration
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17/12/2020 11:23:09 9 1
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So eight years then before a full trade deal. What a Wonderful Blinkered Strategy.
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17/12/2020 11:33:51 9 3
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They're not hostile to the UK; they're hostile to corrupt populist right wingers like Johnson, as are all other world leaders save other corrupt right wing populists, like Trump, Bolsonaro, Putin, Orban, Duterte, Kim Jong-un etc.

There's a reason these nations all appear closer since these guys took over - they're all nasty, egotistical people who lack a decent moral compass.
46
17/12/2020 10:30:14 28 15
bbc
Does that mean sovereign anymore because the yanks can tell us what to do?
55
17/12/2020 10:32:06 19 10
bbc
Does that mean we won't be sovereign anymore because the yanks can tell us what to do?
124
17/12/2020 10:43:25 3 5
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No just free to do trade deals with 180 other countries not just 27.
47
17/12/2020 10:30:15 7 16
bbc
VDL pleads for fishing access – as she admits deal may NEVER be done
Pleads lol Give them nothing Boris run the clock down
75
17/12/2020 10:35:52 5 3
bbc
Metal window frame manufacturing accounts for more revenue than fishing.
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17/12/2020 11:15:15 0 0
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When we've finished with our nose which parts should we start cutting off?
28
17/12/2020 10:26:00 10 16
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Let’s play chlorinated chicken bingo. Have a drink everyone a remoaner says it, even though it’s already been stated many times that it won’t be imported. Cheers!
48
17/12/2020 10:30:29 13 3
bbc
The same chlorine washing process used on EU vegetables that we happily eat now. It's not the chlorine that's the issue - it's the poor sanitation methods its covering up. If the US wants to sell us their chicken, they need to meet our animal welfare and hygiene standards.
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17/12/2020 12:16:48 0 0
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Ignorance or lie I wonder.
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17/12/2020 10:23:45 77 47
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Please stop with the HYS on Brexit, BBC. People can only speculate anyway and it seems you just want to invite and incite deeper divisions. Get with the season and try to create harmony when we need that more than ever just now.
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17/12/2020 10:30:30 16 14
bbc
If it's a problem, stop contributing to it.

If you genuinely have a complaint make it in the complaints section.

It really isn't difficult...
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17/12/2020 10:27:32 20 20
bbc
Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't. That's the wonderful thing about living in a free society, we have choice. And if people don't eat the stuff, then there wont be a market for it. So they will stop exporting it.
50
17/12/2020 10:30:34 35 5
bbc
The problem with Chlorinated Chicken is the cruel farming methods that result in the requirement to treat the carcasses with chlorine. And even so, cases of food poisoning from chicken in the US are far higher than in the UK or EU. Food safety regulations actually matter.

Also, cheap US chicken will kill off UK chicken farms who won't be able to compete.
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17/12/2020 10:58:45 0 5
bbc
It’s not just about chicken. If you’re that concerned about getting back into the EU, nip over and see if the French or Germans will have you? I would recommend an inflatable dingy from Dover to aid your cause, you won’t get in otherwise.
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17/12/2020 11:09:09 0 2
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Wrong Graham, UK chicked farms will flourish as they can use the sales banner British Chlorine Free Chicken, all of the remainers will buy it, although in hindsight that's not a very big market share is it?
51
17/12/2020 10:31:18 119 42
bbc
It will have to be a seriously desperate UK to sign a rushed trade deal with Lame Duck Trump and his soon to be departed administration.
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17/12/2020 10:42:19 51 24
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Silly it is not a trade deal. They are just removing the tariff the EU imposed on Boeing. We can do that from 1st January.
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17/12/2020 10:49:44 3 5
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Why?
331
17/12/2020 11:18:16 3 9
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The Lame Duck administration has yet to take office.
Got to keep in with Donald. In 4 years time he'll be back in the White House.
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17/12/2020 12:32:05 1 2
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You can be sure we're talking to the incoming administration, but they are not yet in power so can not yet conduct national deals. Dealing now with the outgoing admin is purely finishing off work that had started before the election.
17/12/2020 14:10:01 0 0
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Trade deals are complex legal agreements, and those take time to negotiate and scrutinise.

Given the short time frame you can take it as read that it ain't going to happen!
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17/12/2020 10:25:03 4 10
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Darth Tory
10:18
"Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken."

I love chlorine, fluorine, iodine,bromine....
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17/12/2020 10:31:32 3 5
bbc
Fluorine is added to tap water in the UK so you'd better stop drinking that too.
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17/12/2020 10:36:19 1 1
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Tell Darth, not me... I love a good dose of halogens in the morning!
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17/12/2020 10:40:18 2 1
bbc
fluoride.
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17/12/2020 12:16:13 0 0
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This may be a bit deep, but do you know Why the US chlorinated its meat ?
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17/12/2020 10:27:32 20 20
bbc
Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't. That's the wonderful thing about living in a free society, we have choice. And if people don't eat the stuff, then there wont be a market for it. So they will stop exporting it.
53
17/12/2020 10:31:40 15 2
bbc
You only have a choice if the Chicken is clearly labelled

"CHLORINATED Chicken"

Which the supplier would be very keen to avoid for obvious reasons.
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17/12/2020 10:27:28 17 27
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I'd much rather have the USA as a trading partner than the EU. Shared language, shared values, more reliable, richer.

Europe has just dragged the UK down for the last 100 years. Two world wars (thanks Germany) have bankrupted us twice. The creation of the EU in the 90s was done to enslave the UK, not to make it prosper.

The EU is finished, the USA is still growing.
54
17/12/2020 10:31:56 12 4
bbc
Prediction of the EU's imminent demise #300,991.
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17/12/2020 12:18:02 0 0
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Fitting username for 'leave'.
46
17/12/2020 10:30:14 28 15
bbc
Does that mean sovereign anymore because the yanks can tell us what to do?
55
17/12/2020 10:32:06 19 10
bbc
Does that mean we won't be sovereign anymore because the yanks can tell us what to do?
190
17/12/2020 10:51:50 2 6
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No, just a trade deal, no controlling our borders/waters/judicial decisions/shape of fruit and veg.
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17/12/2020 10:32:08 9 9
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Atomtrasher
10:27
"Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't".

Problem is that it won't be labeled as American will it.
65
17/12/2020 10:34:19 1 4
bbc
7 days to Christmas
Then 7 more and its over
I just love Democracy
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17/12/2020 10:40:48 0 2
bbc
Won't it most packaging has country of origin on it. Did you know all bagged salad items in the EU is washed in chlorinated water.
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17/12/2020 10:41:26 0 2
bbc
If that's your argument, how do you know you're not eating it now? If the French are happy to re-label horsemeat as beef, do you think changing the country of origin label is beyond them or any other country?
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17/12/2020 10:32:16 9 10
bbc
Ooooooo, a mini deal. Well that's made it all worthwhile.
1
17/12/2020 10:18:35 68 51
bbc
Mini-chlorine nuggets.

Cheers 'brexit' - Not.
Two nations with administrations that are struggling to come to terms with and implement the results of democratic votes.

But with the difference that the USA will be far better off after Trexit.
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17/12/2020 10:32:37 34 17
bbc
I can't see how doing a rushed 'mini deal' with the sulking outgoing administration is going to help us strike a proper one with the Biden administration on its way in. Trumps lot are toxic and Biden's will be keen to protect the Good Friday Agreement.

Still, with our incompetent lot in a Brexit panic anything could happen!
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17/12/2020 10:36:35 21 30
bbc
Yet another remainer objecting to the democratic result of referendum then has the cheek to moan a Trump. Another hypocrite.
33
17/12/2020 10:27:30 11 7
bbc
Good luck with that, the moment Trump catches wind of proceedings he will want to be personally involved with a list of demands given to him by the pharmaceutical industry.

We need to be damn wary of last minute deals, that's how US law-making works, ridiculous amendments are thrown in at the last minute, changing or adding to the entire function of the bill.
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17/12/2020 10:32:42 6 3
bbc
We seem to like rushed last minute deals with US and EU both on the go at the same time.

What could possibly go wrong !
32
17/12/2020 10:27:28 17 27
bbc
I'd much rather have the USA as a trading partner than the EU. Shared language, shared values, more reliable, richer.

Europe has just dragged the UK down for the last 100 years. Two world wars (thanks Germany) have bankrupted us twice. The creation of the EU in the 90s was done to enslave the UK, not to make it prosper.

The EU is finished, the USA is still growing.
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17/12/2020 10:33:16 11 2
bbc
What are you on about shared values, when did the British ever believe in the right to carry arms, no national health service & the highest poverty rate in the western world etc etc etc.
11
17/12/2020 10:22:49 47 63
bbc
Governments change all the time.
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17/12/2020 10:33:37 19 8
bbc
OK, let's get rid of ours, NOW!
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17/12/2020 10:33:55 15 5
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As long as we don't have to take their food.
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17/12/2020 10:39:38 13 5
bbc
Have you actually checked how much agricultural products we already import from the USA and have for years? You really think we would be starting from zero?
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17/12/2020 10:24:26 19 15
bbc
Yet I bet you swim in a swimming pool full of much stronger Chlorine.
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17/12/2020 10:34:13 5 4
bbc
Why are you so clueless about the reason US chicken is chlorinated?

Are you being deliberately ignorant?
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17/12/2020 10:32:08 9 9
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Atomtrasher
10:27
"Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't".

Problem is that it won't be labeled as American will it.
65
17/12/2020 10:34:19 1 4
bbc
7 days to Christmas
Then 7 more and its over
I just love Democracy
66
17/12/2020 10:34:23 23 3
bbc
Levying digital services tax hitting big US tech firms "unfairly".

Amount of UK tax paid and revenue generated 2019

Facebook: £28.5m / £1.6bn
Amazon: £290m / £14bn
Netflix: £0 / £1.1bn
Google: £44m / £1.6bn

2018 they paid 0% and in some cases it was a negative amount because they got tax rebates!
85
17/12/2020 10:37:08 23 5
bbc
True but they've taken Meghan and Harry so we owe them something......
91
17/12/2020 10:38:08 7 1
bbc
As we know tax is generated on profit not revenue . . . . but I think we all get the point, and agree.
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17/12/2020 10:56:41 2 2
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Agreed this a major issue and very blatantly unfair. We should wait till we have a full trade deal with the US though, and only then hit the big tech firms you mentioned with a tax based on profits earned in this country.
67
17/12/2020 10:34:24 8 4
bbc
Are we buying Mini's from them or them from us?
16
17/12/2020 10:23:45 77 47
bbc
Please stop with the HYS on Brexit, BBC. People can only speculate anyway and it seems you just want to invite and incite deeper divisions. Get with the season and try to create harmony when we need that more than ever just now.
68
17/12/2020 10:34:52 15 19
bbc
Brexiteer putting fingers in ears and humming loudly while dreaming of those unicorn and sunny uplands - marvellous!
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17/12/2020 10:45:53 14 11
bbc
Still not accepted it have you?
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17/12/2020 10:27:28 17 27
bbc
I'd much rather have the USA as a trading partner than the EU. Shared language, shared values, more reliable, richer.

Europe has just dragged the UK down for the last 100 years. Two world wars (thanks Germany) have bankrupted us twice. The creation of the EU in the 90s was done to enslave the UK, not to make it prosper.

The EU is finished, the USA is still growing.
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17/12/2020 10:35:04 11 3
bbc
I don't see many shared values with the US. A puritanical religious society that puts money above all else, doesn't even provide free health care, loves guns, and extremely right wing.

We are next to the EU and have been shaped by this geographic fact for thousands of years.

"Enslave' what tosh, take a good hard look at yourself.
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17/12/2020 10:19:43 18 21
bbc
Are you watching Remoaners

You know... when you said the USA will NEVER EVER do a deal with us now.

#sarcasm intended
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17/12/2020 10:35:31 2 6
bbc
BrEthick supporters clutching at straws. Anything to make Brexit look worthwhile as it is currently looking like the only winners will be the Super Rich who will continue to enjoy the benefits of offshore tax havens
71
17/12/2020 10:35:37 39 11
bbc
The EU already has many mini trade deals with the US
225
17/12/2020 10:57:54 21 8
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And a trade war as well
230
17/12/2020 10:58:51 4 3
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And we're leaving the EU so will need one of our own...stating the obvious is very easy.
1
17/12/2020 10:18:35 68 51
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Mini-chlorine nuggets.

Cheers 'brexit' - Not.
The boundless hypocrisy of die-hard EU apologists.

Let's be honest here, if it was EU torture food horsemeat marinated in bleach you'd be on here making excuses about the single market and freedom of choice.
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17/12/2020 10:43:49 18 7
bbc
Except there is no 'EU torture food horsemeat marinated in bleach' is there? So why raise that as an example?

There are very few EU apologists. Most remainers understand that the UK was stronger in the EU (a market of 500m has far more weight behind it than a market of 65m), and as we are part of it geographically, it made sense that this was the trade bloc we would be part of.
10
17/12/2020 10:22:44 81 46
bbc
"He also indicated that the US team were never convinced that the UK was actually going fully to depart from EU trade rules, because of the sheer amount of UK-EU trade, despite that being the stated policy of the current government."

Seems everybody in the world knows Bozo is a liar.... except Brexiteers.
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17/12/2020 10:35:48 16 10
bbc
He’s going to walk away one day ??
618
17/12/2020 11:59:41 2 0
bbc
We know that! he walks away from his partners frequently, and got the long walk from most of his jobs
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17/12/2020 10:35:51 11 7
bbc
Reducing tariffs on aerospace? Guaranteed to make our E.U. partners in Aerospatiale even more upset with us, not to mantion Bae, a major partner in Airbus. Just when we might have been on the verge of a Brexit deal, Buffoon Johnson strikes again.
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17/12/2020 11:00:30 2 4
bbc
So you suggest that because Aerospatiale will be upset with us, we shouldn't seek to trade internationally? Ridiculous.
422
17/12/2020 11:35:13 1 0
bbc
Aerospatiale no longer exists. BAe sold off the last of its shares in Airbus, in 2006.
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17/12/2020 11:25:52 1 0
bbc
Bill, wind your neck in. Once we leave the EU their tarrifs are theirs alone, we do NOT have to follow them. Our Aerospace industries do more with the US than the EU because defence is also included, not just commercial, so it would appear to make more sense to keep them sweet rather than Airbus et al. Btw, I work in Aerospace and have done for over 40 years so I DO know what I'm talking about.
47
17/12/2020 10:30:15 7 16
bbc
VDL pleads for fishing access – as she admits deal may NEVER be done
Pleads lol Give them nothing Boris run the clock down
75
17/12/2020 10:35:52 5 3
bbc
Metal window frame manufacturing accounts for more revenue than fishing.
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17/12/2020 10:35:54 10 12
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The BBC just couldn't help themselves could they. They had to include a picture of chickens even though they re not mentioned in the story!
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17/12/2020 10:37:19 9 7
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But you clearly understood the context though
88
17/12/2020 10:37:43 4 1
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They needed to trigger the loons.
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17/12/2020 10:43:22 0 3
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You just couldn't stop yourself could you. You had to make this about the BBC.

#thinkHARDER
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17/12/2020 10:35:55 3 8
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Assuming we get no deal with the EU, a series of mini deals on specific subjects is the likely way forward. No deal now doesn't mean no deals ever of any size or any scope. I believe this is the government's and the EU's Plan B at this point.
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17/12/2020 10:42:29 3 2
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Can I sell you a second hand boat? One owner and no holes.

#thinkHARDER
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17/12/2020 10:50:58 0 1
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Getting the excuse in early.
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17/12/2020 10:51:30 0 3
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I guess you mean the truly wonderful deals like that negotiated with Japan. which is far poorer than the one we currently enjoy with them via the EU.
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17/12/2020 11:08:57 1 1
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For Gods sake. Try reading up on US Trade deals please.

Its a CON!

We cant get ANY deal through via Trumps administration. Theres no mandate left at all in Constitutional Law for that. Trump doesn't even have a required majority in Congress.

We're just being roped in as useful idiots on the scorched earth policy for the incoming Biden Administration. We need to distance ourselves asap.
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17/12/2020 10:26:00 10 16
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Let’s play chlorinated chicken bingo. Have a drink everyone a remoaner says it, even though it’s already been stated many times that it won’t be imported. Cheers!
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17/12/2020 10:36:10 3 2
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Who said it won't be imported and when?
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17/12/2020 10:18:35 68 51
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Mini-chlorine nuggets.

Cheers 'brexit' - Not.
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17/12/2020 10:26:25 10 16
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Surely not a trade deal with the US? I thought all you remainer types were backing Biden to put Ireland’s interests before that of the UK?

Seems our defence relationship trumps all that nonsense.

PS - less chlorine than in a quinoa and mung bean salad.
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17/12/2020 10:46:52 14 6
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The government removed the clauses that broke the treaty from the relevant bills, so technically Boris has already acquiesced regarding Ireland's interests. The issue with Chlorine as a wash is not that it's Chlorine, it's the fact the birds are raised in very bad conditions due to lacking animal farming standards unlike in the EU. Enjoy the food poisoning if those birds come over here.
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17/12/2020 12:50:58 0 1
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'PS - less chlorine than in a quinoa and mung bean salad/

No chlorine should need to be used to clean faeces from dead chickens.

ps quinoa and mung beans come dried or in the case of beans cooked in tins.
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al
17/12/2020 13:30:25 0 0
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You realise Biden's not in power, right?
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17/12/2020 10:18:56 25 27
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Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken.
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17/12/2020 10:27:55 4 3
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It won’t. It really won’t. I’m guessing you used to get hot under the collar when people dissed EU rules about straight bananas?
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17/12/2020 10:28:31 10 15
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Remainers still can't get it into their heads... we are out of the wretched EU. It's like a football fan picking over the bones of 'that' match that they lost four years ago. Nothing will change the result, get over it.
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17/12/2020 10:39:53 9 4
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Brexiters still saying 'get over it, we won' when they don't know what they won still!

We left the EU in January, everyone knows that. Remainers want a good deal to keep our businesses successful. Brexiters want to burn everything to the ground.
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17/12/2020 10:40:39 4 1
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What will change it is if in the New Year we don't have any sensible trade deals, there are shortages and increased prices. If brexit does not rapidly produce benefits the saner brexiteers will go off it.
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17/12/2020 10:49:59 2 1
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Fairly clear who is obsessed here.
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17/12/2020 11:13:27 1 1
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How can one get over the impending devastation of our country?
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17/12/2020 10:23:45 77 47
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Please stop with the HYS on Brexit, BBC. People can only speculate anyway and it seems you just want to invite and incite deeper divisions. Get with the season and try to create harmony when we need that more than ever just now.
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17/12/2020 10:29:38 13 5
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The BBC has changed the HYS formats and number they open to drive traffic to their website. They are looking to how they can maximise advertising revenue once the Government pull the licence fee.
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17/12/2020 11:38:21 4 1
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Exactly. It is also why the Guardian is full of inflammatory articles. Clicks generate cash, which the Guardian desperately needs!
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17/12/2020 10:32:37 34 17
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I can't see how doing a rushed 'mini deal' with the sulking outgoing administration is going to help us strike a proper one with the Biden administration on its way in. Trumps lot are toxic and Biden's will be keen to protect the Good Friday Agreement.

Still, with our incompetent lot in a Brexit panic anything could happen!
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17/12/2020 10:36:35 21 30
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Yet another remainer objecting to the democratic result of referendum then has the cheek to moan a Trump. Another hypocrite.
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17/12/2020 10:47:20 8 3
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Try and work out the difference between "objecting to" and "trying to overturn", there's a good lad jak.
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17/12/2020 10:48:22 5 3
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You have no idea and you are wrong. Are you claiming Trump isn't on the way out then?
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kai
17/12/2020 10:36:53 15 7
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What a pointless exercise,trumps lot have about 30days then they are out.Doing this sort of thing knowing that Bidden will be president wont do is any favours in the future when looking to make deals with him..ridiculous. But I dont expect much from our government have proved themselves to be total incompetent and out of their depth so no surprises really..
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17/12/2020 11:02:17 3 5
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So agreeing a mini trade deal on a few items now, will negatively impact negotiations for a full trade deal later? How so?
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17/12/2020 10:34:23 23 3
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Levying digital services tax hitting big US tech firms "unfairly".

Amount of UK tax paid and revenue generated 2019

Facebook: £28.5m / £1.6bn
Amazon: £290m / £14bn
Netflix: £0 / £1.1bn
Google: £44m / £1.6bn

2018 they paid 0% and in some cases it was a negative amount because they got tax rebates!
85
17/12/2020 10:37:08 23 5
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True but they've taken Meghan and Harry so we owe them something......
76
17/12/2020 10:35:54 10 12
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The BBC just couldn't help themselves could they. They had to include a picture of chickens even though they re not mentioned in the story!
86
17/12/2020 10:37:19 9 7
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But you clearly understood the context though
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17/12/2020 10:48:29 0 2
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Why did they not show chlorinated salads products from the EU?
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17/12/2020 10:30:00 9 5
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I suspect you have done little research into the chlorine chicken argument. After all the chlorine itself isn't the issue, bagged salad is washed in chlorine before it gets to you. It's about making sure the practices prior are good.

Also if it did ever come to pass you wouldn't actually have to buy it... ??
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17/12/2020 10:37:32 4 3
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Unless the US gets their way and refuses to allow their chlorinated chicken/hormone-pumped beef to be labelled as such.
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17/12/2020 10:35:54 10 12
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The BBC just couldn't help themselves could they. They had to include a picture of chickens even though they re not mentioned in the story!
88
17/12/2020 10:37:43 4 1
bbc
They needed to trigger the loons.
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17/12/2020 10:37:48 50 6
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Lightizer can only be trying to muddy the waters for the incoming Administration and create mischief which the UK would be party to by association if we even tried it.

He knows He has absolutely no mandate as does his President for negotiating or ratifying any Trade Deal as that has to be done by a Majority in Congress.
None of that will stop the Nasty Party (rebranded to the Baby Killer Party) from trying to make this look like a (Trumpian?) win. Removed
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17/12/2020 10:27:32 20 20
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Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't. That's the wonderful thing about living in a free society, we have choice. And if people don't eat the stuff, then there wont be a market for it. So they will stop exporting it.
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17/12/2020 10:38:02 12 3
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I'd agree if the chickens were clearly and prominently labelled, but they won't be, will they?
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17/12/2020 10:34:23 23 3
bbc
Levying digital services tax hitting big US tech firms "unfairly".

Amount of UK tax paid and revenue generated 2019

Facebook: £28.5m / £1.6bn
Amazon: £290m / £14bn
Netflix: £0 / £1.1bn
Google: £44m / £1.6bn

2018 they paid 0% and in some cases it was a negative amount because they got tax rebates!
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17/12/2020 10:38:08 7 1
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As we know tax is generated on profit not revenue . . . . but I think we all get the point, and agree.
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17/12/2020 11:20:32 2 1
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Sure. But they offloaded the profits by recharging offshore. Difficult to police that if not impossible.

How can anyone believe a tech company like FB or Amazon nets out around 5% profit on turnover in the UK when it nearer 4-5x that in the US.

DTS is the only solution
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17/12/2020 13:48:17 0 0
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transfer pricing is hiding profit generated in the UK
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17/12/2020 10:24:26 19 15
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Yet I bet you swim in a swimming pool full of much stronger Chlorine.
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17/12/2020 10:38:18 4 4
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After all this time you STILL don't know what the issue is? You must deliberately avoid or deny information to be so ignorant for so long!

It's NOT the chlorine, it's the need to use it because the chicken is riddled with bugs due to poor intensive rearing processes.

OK?
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17/12/2020 10:31:32 3 5
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Fluorine is added to tap water in the UK so you'd better stop drinking that too.
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17/12/2020 10:36:19 1 1
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Tell Darth, not me... I love a good dose of halogens in the morning!
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17/12/2020 10:27:28 17 27
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I'd much rather have the USA as a trading partner than the EU. Shared language, shared values, more reliable, richer.

Europe has just dragged the UK down for the last 100 years. Two world wars (thanks Germany) have bankrupted us twice. The creation of the EU in the 90s was done to enslave the UK, not to make it prosper.

The EU is finished, the USA is still growing.
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17/12/2020 10:38:40 2 4
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You are right Limey you be doing that enslaving for centuries Now let the US do it to you
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17/12/2020 10:27:32 20 20
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Any trade made easier is good. Of course there are concerns but I do think some people are overexaggerating it. Look, if you don't want to eat Chlorinated chicken, then don't. That's the wonderful thing about living in a free society, we have choice. And if people don't eat the stuff, then there wont be a market for it. So they will stop exporting it.
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17/12/2020 10:39:09 12 2
bbc
You won't know. The Americans are demanding the removal of information as part of a deal.
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17/12/2020 11:52:31 1 0
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The Brexiteers are excruciatingly thick.

They claim sovereignty and yet are willing to allow the UK people to be told what they can and cannot know about their food, by another nation state.

Why should the US force the UK people to eat chlorinated chicken ?

The Brexiteers will never answer that.
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17/12/2020 10:39:11 19 13
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Sadly for remainer, who cant seem to think for themselves, cant read food packets. This might come as a revelation to you but if you your chicken says 'USA' on it you dont have to buy it if you're that concerned. Counrty of origin MUST be on the label as according to food standards agency but please proceed with you daily meltdon.
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17/12/2020 10:42:55 11 4
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Wrong. US trade deals will stipulate that the country of origin of food will have to be removed from food labelling.

Oh well, I always fancied turning veggie. This will be the opportunity to do that....
165
17/12/2020 10:47:40 2 1
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Why not get the US to label the chicken to say that it's chlorinated or not. We've taken back control supposedly.
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17/12/2020 10:48:26 4 3
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far too simplistic as usual. What about say a chicken pie made in this country using imported USA chlorine chicken, the label would not indicate that. The same applies to many other products,. Sadly it is Brexiters that are unable to think for themselves and rely on what someone told them.
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17/12/2020 10:52:27 2 3
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Sadly you are referring to current UK/EU labelling legislation - not the legislation the US is demanding which excludes such labelling.

There's an enormous amount of consumer protection legislation in the EU which we are walking away from.
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17/12/2020 11:11:02 1 2
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Wrong!
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17/12/2020 10:27:28 17 27
bbc
I'd much rather have the USA as a trading partner than the EU. Shared language, shared values, more reliable, richer.

Europe has just dragged the UK down for the last 100 years. Two world wars (thanks Germany) have bankrupted us twice. The creation of the EU in the 90s was done to enslave the UK, not to make it prosper.

The EU is finished, the USA is still growing.
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17/12/2020 10:39:37 4 1
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Groan!
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17/12/2020 10:18:56 25 27
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Yep, here comes the chlorinated chicken.
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17/12/2020 10:39:38 3 2
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Here's a shock, if you see chicken on the shelves from USA you don't have to buy it. Buy the more expensive chicken.
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17/12/2020 11:08:15 2 3
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Only issue is that it'll be cheaper than the local produce, thus pushing the better quality foods off the shelf and putting local farms out of business as they can't compete.
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17/12/2020 11:56:18 1 0
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It's not whole chicken that's so much of a problem. It's things you but that have chicken as an ingredient. Unlikely to be labelled with the origin of all ingredients.
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17/12/2020 10:33:55 15 5
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As long as we don't have to take their food.
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17/12/2020 10:39:38 13 5
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Have you actually checked how much agricultural products we already import from the USA and have for years? You really think we would be starting from zero?
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17/12/2020 10:28:31 10 15
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Remainers still can't get it into their heads... we are out of the wretched EU. It's like a football fan picking over the bones of 'that' match that they lost four years ago. Nothing will change the result, get over it.
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17/12/2020 10:39:53 9 4
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Brexiters still saying 'get over it, we won' when they don't know what they won still!

We left the EU in January, everyone knows that. Remainers want a good deal to keep our businesses successful. Brexiters want to burn everything to the ground.