Complex dental care 'threatened by NHS targets'
17/12/2020 | news | health | 28
Dentists warn targets in England could make them prioritise routine check-ups over complex cases.
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17/12/2020 10:25:49 0 3
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i would like a check up, but at the moment you cant get one unless youre teeth are falling out, soon everyone will be in trouble.... TIP invest your money in dentures manufacturing it will become a gold mine
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17/12/2020 10:28:37 1 1
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Its been over a year now since I've had a check up. My child has never had one because we've had our routine appointments cancelled 5 times. Surely a lack of routine appointments is going to escalate the number of urgent cases later down the line. Prevention is better in my opinion. Ideally everyone gets seen regardless of routine appt or emergency appt. A balance needs to be found
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17/12/2020 10:57:00 0 7
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If you want decent dental health care go private.
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17/12/2020 11:30:57 6 0
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No just find a 1st class NHS dentist. And whatever anyone tells you yes they can be found.
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17/12/2020 17:11:42 1 0
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The point is these new targets will make it more difficult to get complex care on the NHS and not everyone can afford private. Plus Matt Hancock has today lied to the House when he replied to a question saying that the profession had agreed these changes. This is patently untrue. Look at the BDA website if you don't believe me and by the way I'm not a dentist.
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17/12/2020 10:57:12 10 0
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I cracked a tooth during lockdown contacted my dentist, had a phone consultation over the phone she promised me that as soon as they were able to do urgent work she would contact me. She was as good as her word the day after lockdown was eased was contacted and sorted next day. I have nothing but praise for her.
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17/12/2020 10:57:00 0 7
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If you want decent dental health care go private.
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17/12/2020 11:30:57 6 0
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No just find a 1st class NHS dentist. And whatever anyone tells you yes they can be found.
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17/12/2020 17:44:48 0 0
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Yes , they can but are few and far between , many NHS practices have large staff turnovers because the NHS is target driven which means dentists are pressured into reaching targets. I.e volume at the expense of quality. Quality takes time ...Private Dentistry has no targets.
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17/12/2020 11:42:17 5 4
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Yes sounds about right Cherry Pick the easy cases to make the figures look better???

Its appalling how the NHS is manipulated by this Government its a scandal actually.. With outstanding hospital operations topping 4 million and UNICEF looking to feed parts of our population for the first time in 70 years since its formation..

Still this is what we vote for....
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17/12/2020 11:44:54 2 2
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Dental care, what dental care? I haven't been able to see a Dentist in over 12 months. My appointments have been cancelled due to Covid-19 and lack of appropriate PPE
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17/12/2020 11:56:02 1 6
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It's all available if you can afford to pay with it.

As with everything to do with these lockdowns and restrictions, they will hardly touch you if you have got deep pockets, like BJ and the rest of his Downing Street clowns.
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dls
17/12/2020 13:46:57 0 0
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You do not have a very patient focussed dentist.
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17/12/2020 11:42:43 3 6
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Sounds like the government is very happy for dentists to pull a lot more teeth: far quicker than filling them. But they would get through vastly more treatments without these insane covid rules.

By the way, in case people didn't know, if you need a root canal on a rear molar on the NHS then you are out of luck. But if you can pay then you will keep those teeth for many years to come.
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17/12/2020 13:16:33 4 0
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Factually incorrect
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dls
17/12/2020 13:49:06 6 0
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We have completed many NHS molar root fillings this week.
7
17/12/2020 11:44:54 2 2
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Dental care, what dental care? I haven't been able to see a Dentist in over 12 months. My appointments have been cancelled due to Covid-19 and lack of appropriate PPE
9
17/12/2020 11:56:02 1 6
bbc
It's all available if you can afford to pay with it.

As with everything to do with these lockdowns and restrictions, they will hardly touch you if you have got deep pockets, like BJ and the rest of his Downing Street clowns.
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17/12/2020 12:54:06 4 7
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The reality is that most 'NHS' practices are just fronts for private treatment. You are upsold at every opportunity, and it's the private work that will be prioritised, you may depend on it.
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17/12/2020 13:42:36 3 4
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Cant understand you being marked down for stating the obvious?

Just goes to show..
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17/12/2020 17:15:10 3 0
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Absolute rubbish! My son is an NHS dentist in a deprived North Eastern area. he does no private work, his clientele couldn't possibly afford it. Plus Matt Hancock has just lied to the House in his answer to a question on this. He said these changes had been agreed by the profession, patently untrue. Read the BDA website.
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17/12/2020 20:39:20 0 0
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You evidently have no clue how the system works.
NHS dentists are contracted and paid to do a set number of units of activity for the NHS. The practice is not in control of how much NHS contracted work it is awarded. They have to supplement with private to stay viable, once NHS contract is met any work above that the NHS will not pay the dentist to do. Hence why they must do private work.
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17/12/2020 13:05:25 5 3
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NHS dental care should be a basic service to keep healthy teeth, if you have abused your teeth by bad diet and lack of care then expect to pay. Private treatment is good value if you have taken care of oral hygiene, and you can get an appointment with a few days notice, had an issue in August NHS no chance private not an issue.
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17/12/2020 11:42:43 3 6
bbc
Sounds like the government is very happy for dentists to pull a lot more teeth: far quicker than filling them. But they would get through vastly more treatments without these insane covid rules.

By the way, in case people didn't know, if you need a root canal on a rear molar on the NHS then you are out of luck. But if you can pay then you will keep those teeth for many years to come.
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17/12/2020 13:16:33 4 0
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Factually incorrect
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18/12/2020 11:34:55 0 0
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I guess it depends on where you live. I couldn’t get any NHS treatment so ended up paying £600 at a private practice.
10
17/12/2020 12:54:06 4 7
bbc
The reality is that most 'NHS' practices are just fronts for private treatment. You are upsold at every opportunity, and it's the private work that will be prioritised, you may depend on it.
13
17/12/2020 13:42:36 3 4
bbc
Cant understand you being marked down for stating the obvious?

Just goes to show..
7
17/12/2020 11:44:54 2 2
bbc
Dental care, what dental care? I haven't been able to see a Dentist in over 12 months. My appointments have been cancelled due to Covid-19 and lack of appropriate PPE
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dls
17/12/2020 13:46:57 0 0
bbc
You do not have a very patient focussed dentist.
8
17/12/2020 11:42:43 3 6
bbc
Sounds like the government is very happy for dentists to pull a lot more teeth: far quicker than filling them. But they would get through vastly more treatments without these insane covid rules.

By the way, in case people didn't know, if you need a root canal on a rear molar on the NHS then you are out of luck. But if you can pay then you will keep those teeth for many years to come.
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dls
17/12/2020 13:49:06 6 0
bbc
We have completed many NHS molar root fillings this week.
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17/12/2020 20:40:49 0 0
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Yep. I started one today in NHS practice, on an unregistered patient no less. He's coming back for me to finish it in January.
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17/12/2020 14:03:49 4 0
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Having dental issues can literally be a 'pain'.

We are fortunate here in having superb dentists. They have remained open all year albeit with a rota system for rooms- client in a surgery- end of appointment- dentist moves to another room with next patient- clean old room- repeat and so on

They take NHS patients as well as private patients, complex procedures as well as check-up

All deserve this
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18/12/2020 08:22:21 0 0
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No they have not. My mum not been able to see her dentist this year. They only taking on urgent cases. She may end up having to go private and pay through the nose.
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18/12/2020 11:28:18 1 0
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I couldn’t get any NHS treatment, as they said they weren’t doing fillings. To get the treatment I needed I had to go to a private practice and pay an extortionist amount of money but I have to say the treatment I received was far better than the NHS treatment I have received in the last 7 years as it has suffered by lack of government funding - much like the rest of the NHS.
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17/12/2020 15:44:19 0 2
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just blame any failings on i.t,that always seems to work
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17/12/2020 10:57:00 0 7
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If you want decent dental health care go private.
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17/12/2020 17:11:42 1 0
bbc
The point is these new targets will make it more difficult to get complex care on the NHS and not everyone can afford private. Plus Matt Hancock has today lied to the House when he replied to a question saying that the profession had agreed these changes. This is patently untrue. Look at the BDA website if you don't believe me and by the way I'm not a dentist.
10
17/12/2020 12:54:06 4 7
bbc
The reality is that most 'NHS' practices are just fronts for private treatment. You are upsold at every opportunity, and it's the private work that will be prioritised, you may depend on it.
19
17/12/2020 17:15:10 3 0
bbc
Absolute rubbish! My son is an NHS dentist in a deprived North Eastern area. he does no private work, his clientele couldn't possibly afford it. Plus Matt Hancock has just lied to the House in his answer to a question on this. He said these changes had been agreed by the profession, patently untrue. Read the BDA website.
5
17/12/2020 11:30:57 6 0
bbc
No just find a 1st class NHS dentist. And whatever anyone tells you yes they can be found.
20
17/12/2020 17:44:48 0 0
bbc
Yes , they can but are few and far between , many NHS practices have large staff turnovers because the NHS is target driven which means dentists are pressured into reaching targets. I.e volume at the expense of quality. Quality takes time ...Private Dentistry has no targets.
10
17/12/2020 12:54:06 4 7
bbc
The reality is that most 'NHS' practices are just fronts for private treatment. You are upsold at every opportunity, and it's the private work that will be prioritised, you may depend on it.
21
17/12/2020 20:39:20 0 0
bbc
You evidently have no clue how the system works.
NHS dentists are contracted and paid to do a set number of units of activity for the NHS. The practice is not in control of how much NHS contracted work it is awarded. They have to supplement with private to stay viable, once NHS contract is met any work above that the NHS will not pay the dentist to do. Hence why they must do private work.
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dls
17/12/2020 13:49:06 6 0
bbc
We have completed many NHS molar root fillings this week.
22
17/12/2020 20:40:49 0 0
bbc
Yep. I started one today in NHS practice, on an unregistered patient no less. He's coming back for me to finish it in January.
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18/12/2020 07:45:22 0 0
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It is safe to say "we were well prepared" Hancock was NOT well prepared for any kind of virus on the loose. Everything is made up weekly. The latest is schools, they have promised something(i got bored listening to the minister) for Jan 4th, whatever it is - it wont happen on Jan 4th.
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17/12/2020 14:03:49 4 0
bbc
Having dental issues can literally be a 'pain'.

We are fortunate here in having superb dentists. They have remained open all year albeit with a rota system for rooms- client in a surgery- end of appointment- dentist moves to another room with next patient- clean old room- repeat and so on

They take NHS patients as well as private patients, complex procedures as well as check-up

All deserve this
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18/12/2020 08:22:21 0 0
bbc
No they have not. My mum not been able to see her dentist this year. They only taking on urgent cases. She may end up having to go private and pay through the nose.
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18/12/2020 11:10:57 2 0
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The UK dental system was in a mess before Covid-19. It is always done on the cheap. When I needed dental treatment in California we went to a purpose built dental clinic - everything done of site. Even dentures made while U wait for those needing them. In UK most dentists are located in a grotty converted domestic house or a cramped area above a run-down high street shop. It is disgraceful.
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17/12/2020 14:03:49 4 0
bbc
Having dental issues can literally be a 'pain'.

We are fortunate here in having superb dentists. They have remained open all year albeit with a rota system for rooms- client in a surgery- end of appointment- dentist moves to another room with next patient- clean old room- repeat and so on

They take NHS patients as well as private patients, complex procedures as well as check-up

All deserve this
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18/12/2020 11:28:18 1 0
bbc
I couldn’t get any NHS treatment, as they said they weren’t doing fillings. To get the treatment I needed I had to go to a private practice and pay an extortionist amount of money but I have to say the treatment I received was far better than the NHS treatment I have received in the last 7 years as it has suffered by lack of government funding - much like the rest of the NHS.
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17/12/2020 13:16:33 4 0
bbc
Factually incorrect
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18/12/2020 11:34:55 0 0
bbc
I guess it depends on where you live. I couldn’t get any NHS treatment so ended up paying £600 at a private practice.