Brexit: 'Narrow path' in view for trade deal - EU chief
16/12/2020 | news | politics | 5,963
The president of the EU Commission says the "next few days" will be decisive for trade negotiations.
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16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
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Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
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16/12/2020 10:45:51 26 13
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Another deal rolled over, can she do the EU too or do we get something far far worse than we already had...........
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16/12/2020 10:46:15 12 9
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Whoo, hoo. Halfway to where we were before.
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16/12/2020 10:45:50 4 4
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You must sit and wait for Brexit HYS’s to open.
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16/12/2020 10:48:22 9 7
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Wow! Another cut 'n' paste deal! These are just soooooo hard to do, you'll need that rest over Xmas, after the effort!??
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16/12/2020 10:52:09 9 14
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All shows how inflexible EU are. I bet Mexico didn't ask for fishing rights and signing up to Mexican law.
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16/12/2020 10:52:37 11 3
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Ctrl C, Ctrl V

Ain't Liz great, oh and CHEESE!
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16/12/2020 10:55:33 15 4
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It's a rolled over continuity deal - ie a deal that we already had, courtesy of our being in the EU. Nice of Mexico to agree to roll it over but it's not a new deal and will not make the uk one peso better off than it was.
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16/12/2020 10:58:16 8 4
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A narrow path indeed, or as the pirates used to say " walk the plank" which is a wee bit ironic as it is a plank who took us to this impasse.
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16/12/2020 10:43:36 22 22
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Boris wants the EU to be seen to walk away first so he can blame them for his no deal. What can he do to offend them? Just be yourself Boris and it'll happen naturally.
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VC
16/12/2020 10:48:05 7 4
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Boris has set 3 deadlines to walk away and has not. I cannot see how you have interpreted in the manner that you have. This deal will be done, as neither can operate efficiently without the other. Stop with nonsensical nationalistic drivel.
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16/12/2020 10:56:07 0 7
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The EU should've got shot of us years ago and swallow the invoices.
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16/12/2020 10:43:41 1 1
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https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1338992761861791744

Video

#Newsnight Political Editor
@nicholaswatt
reported today a buzz among Tory MPs of a deal with the EU. Nick later spoke to senior Brexiteer
@SirGrahamBrady
about a possible joint dispute mechanism on how to handle possible future divergences from EU standards

The buzz

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1338878071483543568
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16/12/2020 10:43:45 5 4
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SO LE prospects for a deal looking HALE BUT, MULL IT over all they like, and SKATE around a deal, Macron EEL veto it for sure
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16/12/2020 10:43:51 559 28
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‘A "narrow path" has opened up for the UK and EU to strike a post-Brexit trade deal’

Take a walk on the wild side then and get a deal sorted that suits Both sides.

We cannot have another meaningless deadline looming only to be replaced by another meaningless deadline
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16/12/2020 10:58:47 96 24
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Those deadlines are "management speak" - said to "focus the mind" and "get things done". The senior management (Johnson/von der Leyen) don't look at detail.

Hear those deadlines whoosh by..
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16/12/2020 11:02:44 32 55
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There’s going to be a lot of unhappy remainers if we get a deal. They’ve been pinning their hopes on ‘no deal’ so they can rush around bleating ‘we told you so’.

When does their rejoin campaign start - presumably when St Tony of Blair kicks it off?
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16/12/2020 11:14:09 22 17
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So long as we do not concede too much to get a deal.
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16/12/2020 11:39:59 4 0
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Precisely.
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16/12/2020 11:50:59 14 0
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Agreed, but I think it's more a question of finding a deal that will save face for both sides (I think we're well beyond a deal that will "suit" both sides).
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16/12/2020 11:56:35 16 2
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the deadline is 1 January to stop an utter s***show, it will still be very bad for the UK and bad for the EU, but much less so either way. You seem to be thinking this is a negotiation of equals. It isn't, nor was the Japan deal which is why it is 83% in Japans favour. Britain will need a deal in the New Year anyway.
16/12/2020 12:03:22 7 5
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YOU voted for this.

Deal with it, Flappy.
16/12/2020 12:23:24 2 0
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Douglas Adams (author of Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy and others) said; "I love deadlines; I love the wooshing sound they make as they fly by."
16/12/2020 12:36:00 11 6
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Remain don't want a UK disaster to prove a point, the Brexit vote has done that already. Coments like, when this or that happens it will be all OK are just stupid, We will loose long term, the deals and collaberation that would have happened won't. This is what will grind us down, the drip drip loss, combined with now being a smaller player. Brexit has no positive.
16/12/2020 12:49:37 0 0
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HI
16/12/2020 12:56:51 5 5
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Not going to happen. Britain to me is not in a position to dictate on anything now. You are in decline and good, we need a new global outlook that no longer incorporates England or its few allies, mainly the United States dictating what is always INCORRECT to the rest of us + you are in decline and have no economy worth a carrot :). You are a joke to the bigger powers like China, Brazil, etc
16/12/2020 13:16:51 0 6
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About as wide as a plank on the side of a ship. At the end is the end of UK sovereignty. I for one don't want a 'yoke' around my neck!
16/12/2020 13:22:01 0 0
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None of 'em want to be seen to be making concessions. You know, the bread & butter aspect of ALL negotiations. What a shower! The whole lot of 'em should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Will they be? Not on your nellie! Arrogant & useless, all.
16/12/2020 13:34:50 4 2
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As opposed to meaningless soundbites by a meaningless Govt?
16/12/2020 14:06:50 0 3
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There is no path, listen to what she actually said! We recognise UK sovereignty over its waters but we must have unchanged access to those waters and UK must follow our rules. Then there is this: MEP's pass Commission No Deal contingency plans. No 4 on those plans is extend CFP UK/EU till 31 Dec 2021. End Nov beginning Dec UK passes 2020 Fisheries Act. Sound like respect from EU to you.
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16/12/2020 10:43:55 14 16
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This is terrible news! An agreement would signal the end of a HYS on Brexit and vindication of the role of Boris, Cummings, Farage etc. Boo Hooo!
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16/12/2020 10:44:33 8 10
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15 days of the Transition period left
Parliament recess this Friday and is not scheduled to return until January 7th
Listen out for an announcement from Jacob Rees-Mogg . Parliament to be sitting next Monday and Tuesday?
Its called squeaky bum time Brussels!!!
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16/12/2020 10:52:55 7 6
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But NOT for the EU
For the UK
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NM
16/12/2020 10:57:52 4 1
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This isn't the first deal that the EU has done, so I'm pretty sure that they are used to this.
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16/12/2020 10:44:47 40 38
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The EU doing their level best to get a deal that works for eveyone.

Johnson simply negative.
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16/12/2020 10:47:36 19 23
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no deal is better than a bad deal

free trade ain't free cost
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16/12/2020 10:50:17 4 6
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yes but when the deal is done this allows him to claim he played hard ball. in reality he is just a buffoon
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16/12/2020 10:51:54 3 6
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Nobody voted for a deal.
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16/12/2020 10:52:26 5 1
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Details of EU "Diong their level best" please.
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16/12/2020 10:57:00 2 6
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The EU said negative to red lines
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16/12/2020 11:29:09 2 0
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It is hard that anyone on planet Earth actually believes this.
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16/12/2020 10:44:48 15 14
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narrow path! more like a highway of regulations
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16/12/2020 10:56:01 14 5
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What is wrong with regulations ?

Please explain why we don't need regulations ?.

I have worked in various areas where it is only regulations that allow people to work safely.

Are all people expendable for the sake of a few pounds ?
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16/12/2020 10:56:15 1 0
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That's only if there isnt a deal
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16/12/2020 10:44:53 14 18
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I see the race to create Singapore-on-Thames has started! So reinforcing the EUs concerns! Watch out UK workers, your rights will not be far behind!??
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16/12/2020 10:47:55 5 5
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what worker rights, we never had a lot compared to EU.
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16/12/2020 10:48:36 0 11
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what uk workers?
The jobs have gone or have been given to cheaper EU citizens
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16/12/2020 10:44:50 9 13
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Any more concessions Boris?

Lol
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16/12/2020 10:45:02 16 15
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That path is Boris caving in to protect his own self-interests and selling it to the Cultists as a great deal
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AK
16/12/2020 10:45:06 16 20
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for Gods sake, enough of this crap. walk out and the deal will follow
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16/12/2020 10:53:54 9 3
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Says someone who thinks "they need us more than we need them", sigh.......
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16/12/2020 10:55:07 4 2
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Do you not understand that if we had this power, the British government would have been done by now? The reality is, we don't 'hold all the cards'.
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16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
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Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
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16/12/2020 10:45:51 26 13
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Another deal rolled over, can she do the EU too or do we get something far far worse than we already had...........
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16/12/2020 10:53:10 15 10
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The Brexit people are thick.

They have not checked the details.

In some of the deals struck, they are copies of the EU deal, but with added clauses which make them worse.

The Brexiteers have sold out the UK.
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16/12/2020 10:53:48 1 6
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LOL what a pity they open new talks in 2021
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16/12/2020 10:45:58 14 16
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Worst. Government. Ever. (*)

With apologies to Comic Book Guy in the Simpsons
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16/12/2020 10:46:01 15 5
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We have left.
We need a deal.
We need to negotiate.
All deals need compromise.
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16/12/2020 10:49:22 6 26
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we don't need a deal

free trade is too expensive
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16/12/2020 10:51:34 5 7
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Brexiters do not do compromise. It's the England Uber Alles mindet. Everyone must bow down before the English Brexit Reich. Then they call it "bullying" when the EU fails to be impressed.
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16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
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Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
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16/12/2020 10:46:15 12 9
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Whoo, hoo. Halfway to where we were before.
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MX
16/12/2020 10:46:30 337 132
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The EU have been forthright with their conditions for entry.
2 admittance criteria:
1.If any country wants access to the single market (worlds largest) then they must abide by the EU rules.
2.An appropriate amount of tariffs are applied to the entry countries goods and services.
They have never deviated from this.
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16/12/2020 10:56:38 227 286
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Access to the single market ? We sell them stuff and they sell us stuff. It’s not complicated. Why are tariffs even considered.
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Pip
16/12/2020 10:59:11 40 21
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And why should they, they hold all the cards..........?
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16/12/2020 11:00:07 87 17
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We all knew what was in store for the UK once we left.

It is not rocket science to realise that we would have to abide by regulations etc.

The problem is, that too many people absolved their thinking to believe in the slogans that were meaningless, and that Brexit was nothing but good.

Despite a possible deal, January 2021 will show us what Brexit is going to be - severe import problems.
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16/12/2020 11:02:22 38 30
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Apart from when they have agreed trade deals with other countries!
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16/12/2020 11:04:26 25 9
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Ah yes - but you are forgetting we hold all the cards.

________________________
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16/12/2020 11:05:42 19 25
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1 - No, they must abide by standards for goods and any relevant tariffs and quotas, they do not need to apply any EU law domestically, the EUs position is far from anything they've agreed with another country in an FTA and is more akin to membership
2 - This is understood
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16/12/2020 11:11:43 16 27
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Wrong. Did they insist on Canada signing up and agreeing to follow EU worker rights? Nope. Does Canada have to follow EU rules on state subsidies for businesses? Nope. So why should we.
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16/12/2020 11:18:51 9 21
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Their lack of deviation and flexibility is precisely the problem. They are a bureaucratic monolith.
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16/12/2020 11:44:19 5 5
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"Forthright" they maybe - consistant they are not....

oh have a canada deal - oh wait your too close geographically.
complete change of tact on fishing rights at the 11 hour.
complete change on "level playing field" at the 11 hour.

some of the blinkared views from both Leave and Remain are just luaghable.

Im genuinly ammazed at how many sensible comments there are today though!
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16/12/2020 11:47:57 3 2
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Until late summer the EU were asking for dynamic alignment, if they changed a law then the UK had to follow suit. They also wanted the deal to be enforced by the EU court.

The UK wanted the same sort of deal the EU made with Canada and Japan.

Macron is the spanner in the works. According to him a Canada deal is not possible because the UK are too close to France for that.
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16/12/2020 11:56:36 2 4
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We don’t want to abide by their “rules”
16/12/2020 12:13:32 3 5
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Wrong.

1. We want the same access as Canada. Nothing more. Yet the EU don't expect Canada to abide by this - so it's hardly 'any country' is it MX, it's just the UK.

2. The tariffs that they seek the UK to impose were not insisted upon any other country entering into a trade agreement including Canada.

Both of the above are punitive measures tailored only for the UK and demanding FISH too!?
16/12/2020 12:16:08 1 1
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You forgot ...
3. and full access to your waters ... Its like saying you can have your bath, but others have priority in using it :)
16/12/2020 12:41:05 0 3
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But the UK are simply asking to be treated as any other independent country, no special favours, no cherry picking, no cake eating. It's only the remainstream media that try to portray the UK as demanding things without giving anything in return.
16/12/2020 12:42:37 1 0
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"If any country wants access to the single market (worlds largest) then they must abide by the EU rules" - in which case how does the EU import anything from China given their record on workers rights, zero health and safety in their factories and zero environmental standards?
16/12/2020 12:43:50 0 3
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I really don't give a monkeys what the EU thinks, Leave bugger any deal!
bnc
16/12/2020 13:04:01 1 0
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So does Japan abide by eu rules. According to my Japanese wife they do not?
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16/12/2020 10:46:30 24 6
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All spin, we will get a deal
16/12/2020 15:21:19 7 4
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52% voted to leave believing that a deal was promised.

48% voted to keep the existing deal.

No deal was not put forward as an option.
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16/12/2020 10:46:32 7 21
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not narrow enough !

Make business pay their tariff taxes

free trade with single market access is too expensive
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16/12/2020 10:50:11 7 5
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Well it is YOU who be paying the taxes on imports and YOU who will be made unemployed when exporting businesses collapse because they are no longer competitive
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16/12/2020 10:46:51 15 20
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Why can't the EU agree with the UK on the existing basis Norway & Iceland already have for fishing? Or it is just EU punishment for daring to leave "the Club?"
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16/12/2020 10:48:42 14 11
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It's the other way around, the UK refuses that agreement.
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16/12/2020 10:49:08 5 3
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Very ignorant comment. No wonder brexit happened
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16/12/2020 10:47:03 16 10
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More like a zip wire than a narrow path. Boris is bound to get stuck!
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16/12/2020 11:05:16 4 1
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He only got stuck on that zipwire because he couln't even tell the truth about how much he weighed.. he lied bigly and thus got stuck..

The man - just lies..nto sure he even knows when he is doing it anymore
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MVP
16/12/2020 10:47:30 148 105
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The UK cannot possibly run that risk of no trade deal with the EU

Access to the single market is too important to the UK and it is reckless to even consider losing this
Grow up ! Removed
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16/12/2020 11:45:21 8 18
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Check out which trading partners are actually profitable for UK business. We make a surplus with the USA, Japan etc but a huge deficit with the EU.
16/12/2020 12:59:59 14 6
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"Check out which trading partners are actually profitable for UK business. We make a surplus with the USA, Japan etc but a huge deficit with the EU."

Economic illiteracy will get you nowhere.

Tiny amounts of trade with Japan. And we have 22 trade treaties with the USA. Through the EU.

Those US agreements? All gone in two weeks.

Well done.
Pat
16/12/2020 13:35:12 2 9
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No its not
Good lord. Go hang off your mother's apron strings while the grown ups take care of this. Removed
16/12/2020 14:02:13 6 7
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We will always have access to the single market, as long as the items sold meet Eu regs. It’s just that they will come with some tariffs, that’s all.
16/12/2020 20:50:34 0 0
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Actually we don’t have a trade deal with the US and tariffs.. They are our biggest single trading partner.
A no deal doesn’t mean trade stops. It is more expensive until a genius comes up with zero tariffs to each market.
So needlessly tiresome
16/12/2020 22:12:45 1 2
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Why? Yes, it would be incovenient in the short term but we will adapt our policies to attract investors and find other markets. That's exactly why the EU are still talking.
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16/12/2020 10:44:47 40 38
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The EU doing their level best to get a deal that works for eveyone.

Johnson simply negative.
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16/12/2020 10:47:36 19 23
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no deal is better than a bad deal

free trade ain't free cost
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16/12/2020 10:47:36 332 91
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Johnson will do the deal at the last minute to avoid scrutiny. Parliament will be voting on it after it has started.
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16/12/2020 11:13:40 300 38
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The whole thing is like some tedious, third-rate pantomime. I think the strategy seems to be to bore us (the general public) into submission?

After many faux "setbacks" and much theatre, what's the betting we'll accept what was essentially being offered 3 months ago, but with non-material, minor wording changes to fool the gullible into thinking we've hard won some "victory"?

Cynical? You betcha
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16/12/2020 11:17:01 2 29
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Another negative comment, so frequent on the BBC.
16/12/2020 13:31:29 12 0
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Didn't parliament vote to not have any say in the future trade deal? I remember writing to my Tory MP to point out he had just voted not to represent his constituents, like the good little toe-the-party-line muppet he is.

Yes Brexit is like a pantomime, full of washed-up hasbeen entertainers like Boris.
16/12/2020 16:38:55 2 0
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I suppose it's better to hand in the homework late, however crap it is, than to pretend the dog ate it.
16/12/2020 18:08:50 0 0
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Maybe he's not so stupid after all
PS
16/12/2020 21:33:52 1 1
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What else did u expect from the french cheese monkeys
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W1A
16/12/2020 10:45:46 10 22
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No thanks ursula, we`ll go no deal then start talks when you and barnier get it the uk is completely independant from th eu...
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16/12/2020 10:50:37 10 5
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But we're not
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16/12/2020 10:53:43 3 3
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Well the UK seems independent from reality, so only a short step!??
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16/12/2020 10:54:53 2 3
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only england is
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16/12/2020 10:45:49 353 31
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Ursula von der Leyen said the "next few days are going to be decisive"

How many times have we heard that?
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16/12/2020 10:50:24 441 273
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That's because Bojo's not going to walk away. All that bluff got him nowhere.
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16/12/2020 10:51:25 32 5
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not from Ursula though
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16/12/2020 10:56:49 4 10
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My thoughts exatly! I hardly take notice of that anymore
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16/12/2020 11:07:15 6 3
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Yes, but this time she has said it to an empty room.
MEPS have gone home for Christmas.

__________________________
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16/12/2020 11:30:42 10 23
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It would be worse if Corbin was in charge !
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16/12/2020 11:35:12 2 0
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I suppose given it's now mid December this is actually likely to be true for once. Otherwise if things will run into next week maybe some Christmas good cheer will help.
16/12/2020 12:18:59 2 3
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Nicer to hear from this smart, intelligent lady than from a drunken Luxembourgian(?) though!
16/12/2020 13:17:36 2 0
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Will somebody please change the record!
16/12/2020 14:21:47 0 0
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Even she must be fed up saying it lol
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16/12/2020 10:45:50 5 18
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She has nothing to negotiate with, their abuse and cruelty is unbearable at this stage, I happily renounce European Romanian passport, it is official.
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16/12/2020 10:53:07 7 1
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What cruelty? What abuse? Do grow up!??
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16/12/2020 10:54:38 1 1
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new blue one not made in uk says everything
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Max
16/12/2020 11:01:05 0 4
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Renounce your romanian citizenship while you are at it, but you are never going to be recognized british by many
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16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
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Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
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16/12/2020 10:45:50 4 4
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You must sit and wait for Brexit HYS’s to open.
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jon
16/12/2020 10:47:48 12 19
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Sovereignty must be respected including sovereignty of our waters, either through a deal or no-deal.
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16/12/2020 10:49:44 17 4
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Britain never lost its sovereignty, nor did any EU nation.

You're confusing it with dispute mechanisms, which by their nature involve compromise in order to make an agreement enforceable.
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16/12/2020 10:49:58 8 3
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There is no such thing as absolute sovereignty - it is always shared and compromised. Otherwise we could not belong to the UN, or NATO or make any trade agreements with anyone
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16/12/2020 10:54:04 2 2
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keep your waters then and walk away cowards
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16/12/2020 11:05:25 4 1
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You must be deluded if you thing that the rest of the EU countries don't think they have sovereignty

The whole sovereignty argument was a sham peddled by Farage and Cummings
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16/12/2020 10:44:53 14 18
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I see the race to create Singapore-on-Thames has started! So reinforcing the EUs concerns! Watch out UK workers, your rights will not be far behind!??
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16/12/2020 10:47:55 5 5
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what worker rights, we never had a lot compared to EU.
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16/12/2020 10:56:47 2 1
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That was down to the UK Govt then! Try to pay attention!??
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16/12/2020 10:43:36 22 22
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Boris wants the EU to be seen to walk away first so he can blame them for his no deal. What can he do to offend them? Just be yourself Boris and it'll happen naturally.
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VC
16/12/2020 10:48:05 7 4
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Boris has set 3 deadlines to walk away and has not. I cannot see how you have interpreted in the manner that you have. This deal will be done, as neither can operate efficiently without the other. Stop with nonsensical nationalistic drivel.
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16/12/2020 10:48:07 8 4
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There's nothing left to say except what a dumb way to hold a negotiation. On both sides.

Wait until it's too late and then make concessions.
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16/12/2020 10:58:05 4 0
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was always going to be the way.both sides saying victory
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16/12/2020 10:48:20 14 13
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Reuters reports:
"Failure to get a deal would damage economies on both sides of the English Channel, send shockwaves through markets, snarl borders and cause chaos in supply chains across Europe as it struggles with COVID-19".

Nice balanced reporting.
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16/12/2020 10:52:28 4 4
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If the BBC said that the Brexiters would implode! Brexit is only bad for the EU in their blinkered view!??
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16/12/2020 10:59:03 2 2
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It's the truth, though.

You are obviously one of those people who thinks that if there is an earthquake, the papers should also report that there wasn't an earthquake, just to be balanced.
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16/12/2020 11:03:10 1 2
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Probably more damage to UK as France can continue to trade freely with the other EU countries
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16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
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Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
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16/12/2020 10:48:22 9 7
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Wow! Another cut 'n' paste deal! These are just soooooo hard to do, you'll need that rest over Xmas, after the effort!??
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16/12/2020 10:48:34 21 19
bbc
Macron will be flapping now if we have a deal that doesn't include fishing. Will you do as Germany say or play your veto Emmanuelle?

Well, do you feel lucky punk?
97
16/12/2020 10:53:31 6 3
bbc
he does he has the tunnel and calais
184
16/12/2020 10:56:58 1 1
bbc
macron.needs to be seen to be doing something for the french.france in a state.madame guilotine making her voice heard.
10
16/12/2020 10:44:53 14 18
bbc
I see the race to create Singapore-on-Thames has started! So reinforcing the EUs concerns! Watch out UK workers, your rights will not be far behind!??
37
16/12/2020 10:48:36 0 11
bbc
what uk workers?
The jobs have gone or have been given to cheaper EU citizens
199
16/12/2020 10:59:57 2 2
bbc
No they haven't! Jeez to Brexiters ever look at details!

p.s. If, as you want, all the 'cheap' EU citizens go home, where will all the cheap labour now be? Oh yes, they'll be in the EU! Maybe that's why Brexiter turncoat Jim Ratcliffe turned his back on the UK in favour of France to build his new car???
38
16/12/2020 10:48:37 9 8
bbc
good, get it done for all our benefits
66
16/12/2020 10:51:05 2 15
bbc
If it ain't BREXIT it ain't done.
94
16/12/2020 10:53:07 0 3
bbc
it has to be no deal,brexiteers need that lesson learned
21
16/12/2020 10:46:51 15 20
bbc
Why can't the EU agree with the UK on the existing basis Norway & Iceland already have for fishing? Or it is just EU punishment for daring to leave "the Club?"
39
16/12/2020 10:48:42 14 11
bbc
It's the other way around, the UK refuses that agreement.
799
16/12/2020 11:45:47 2 1
bbc
My understanding is the UK want to agree fishing quotas annually (as is the case for Norway, the Faroe Isles and Iceland) but the EU are (currently) demanding a 10yr deal from the UK? My point is not about the size of the annual catch but rather why the EU/UK can't fall in line with existing Norway/Iceland terms?
40
16/12/2020 10:48:53 89 19
bbc
The fishing issue is just a money thing. There will be some financial compensation to French fishermen for giving up the permits they legally bought - they're just haggling over how much.
165
16/12/2020 10:57:56 54 61
bbc
AND!! most of UK fish catches are exported to EU.....But if you ban EU fishermen from catching fish,,,are they going to buy yours? No way..so the UK fishing industry if finished as well..Its about money ok ...but in Whalsay and UK Fishermens pockets!
179
16/12/2020 10:58:53 8 0
bbc
Recent article that covered UK & EU positions on fishing. Admittedly, Guardian but not a left-leaning piece, more adding clarity to a murky issue. Have to say, it seems negotiations were much more nuanced & imaginative than I'd given either side credit for. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/uk-drops-push-for-renationalising-of-fishing-vessels-in-brexit-talks
192
16/12/2020 10:59:15 4 0
bbc
Most of the UK quotas were sold to countries other than France
242
16/12/2020 11:02:25 14 2
bbc
Its about Whalsay and UK Fishermen saying;

" We want to exclude EU from fishing..We want all the fishing rights for ourselves ...BUT...AND ..
We want the EU to agree to BUY all the extra fish that we catch ( that would have been THEIR catch) from us...and not put any tarrif on it"

Thats fair isnt it??

Anyone who wouldn't agree to that is ( fill in the Brexiteers insult for EU politicians)
354
16/12/2020 11:10:18 12 3
bbc
But what about the British fishermen who fish in other waters? Not to mention the British fishermen who sell to ports in the EU? Odd how those who bang on about fishing never think of such significant details.
760
16/12/2020 11:43:08 4 1
bbc
Take the compensation for French fishermen out of the outrageous CAP subsidies French farmer get for producing really healthy food like wine and sugar.
16/12/2020 14:06:36 1 1
bbc
I don't remember UK fishermen getting compensation when they had to revoke their licence's when we joined the EU
gbs
16/12/2020 17:47:35 0 0
bbc
The permits were specific times, not for ever!
Speak to the fishermen, not some media 'expert'!
17/12/2020 03:40:52 0 0
bbc
French fishermen legally bought EU permits to fish for an amount of fish determined by an EU quota.

What does this have to do with the UK and why on earth would an EU permit granting an EU quota have anything to do with British waters?
41
16/12/2020 10:48:53 15 23
bbc
The sticking points are entirely in the EU's court. No self respecting nation could accept these demands.
53
16/12/2020 10:50:24 10 7
bbc
In order.... No, they aren't. Yes, they can & have. Look up the terms of EEA & EFTA, some time.
67
16/12/2020 10:51:07 0 3
bbc
Oh good, we'll accept them then!??
74
16/12/2020 10:51:34 1 3
bbc
Bet we do
77
16/12/2020 10:51:46 3 4
bbc
we arent self respecting we are self destructing
228
16/12/2020 11:01:54 1 2
bbc
Any sensibile negotiator would recognise the possible consequences of excluding French boats - they will blocade French ports and keep ferries out (as in the past)
Anti compeitive rules work both ways - we wont like it if France subsidises quotes for new UK rolling stock and wins the order
42
16/12/2020 10:49:00 14 16
bbc
The UK and EU trading relationship will remain fractious while UK insists upon departing from EU rules, while the UK population femains in the dark about what the Tory has in mind for those changes in regulations.

Going forwards, I can see UK's rolled over EU deals with Canada, Singapore and Japn unravelling as UK departs from EU standards:

.. until Labour get into power and reverse changes.
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jon
16/12/2020 10:51:14 6 7
bbc
Labour would have capitulated to Brussels.
21
16/12/2020 10:46:51 15 20
bbc
Why can't the EU agree with the UK on the existing basis Norway & Iceland already have for fishing? Or it is just EU punishment for daring to leave "the Club?"
43
16/12/2020 10:49:08 5 3
bbc
Very ignorant comment. No wonder brexit happened
861
16/12/2020 11:50:46 2 1
bbc
Norway, the Faroe Islands and Iceland agree fishing quota's each year with the EU. My understanding is the EU are demanding a 10yr deal from the UK. Hence why can't the EU form an agreement with the UK along the same lines? Maybe negotiations have moved on in the last day or so and IF the EU have agreed to annual quotas from UK then I will happily remove my post but ignorant it is not!
16
16/12/2020 10:46:01 15 5
bbc
We have left.
We need a deal.
We need to negotiate.
All deals need compromise.
44
16/12/2020 10:49:22 6 26
bbc
we don't need a deal

free trade is too expensive
45
16/12/2020 10:48:22 32 38
bbc
Fishing rights have NOTHING to do with a trade deal. It's like me trying to sell a car and a prospective buyer saying he'd like to buy it but only if I let him come round and sleep with my wife every Saturday night.
This has to be a line in the sand. Disgusting, blackmailing, EU crooks.
65
16/12/2020 10:51:02 10 14
bbc
europe is magic uk is crap
124
16/12/2020 10:55:28 1 1
bbc
so selling linguistines to Europe has nothing to do with a trade deal?

And if you were previously growing cabbages(fish) on common ground ( north sea)and you were then banned from using the common ground..would you be happy to buy your cabbages from the person who banned you or might you say you would buy your cabbages somewhere else? Would that make you a disgusting blackmailing crook?
157
16/12/2020 10:57:06 2 0
bbc
"Fishing rights have NOTHING to do with a trade deal"

Yes they do. All trade deals are based on reciprocation. If you want this, you can have it if we have this. We will offer you this in return for that. etc.
168
16/12/2020 10:58:11 1 0
bbc
Bertie, I thought we had agreed on every OTHER Saturday night !!!
202
16/12/2020 11:00:07 3 1
bbc
But in your analogy, you already sold rights of access to your wife under Thatcher's government.
Now you're complaining!
30
jon
16/12/2020 10:47:48 12 19
bbc
Sovereignty must be respected including sovereignty of our waters, either through a deal or no-deal.
46
16/12/2020 10:49:44 17 4
bbc
Britain never lost its sovereignty, nor did any EU nation.

You're confusing it with dispute mechanisms, which by their nature involve compromise in order to make an agreement enforceable.
166
16/12/2020 10:57:57 3 4
bbc
Utter rubbish, no EU nation has any sovereignty, each is told what to do via Brussels, if they had any sovereignty they could do bespoke agreements with the rest of the world. Will become clear in a few years time when the EU becomes the federal states of Europe.
416
16/12/2020 11:14:54 0 4
bbc
Could we deport foreign terrorists who called for the murder of British citizens in our own country? No. Could we control our own waters? No. Could we decide laws that suited us if the EU disagreed? No. Could we intervene to save companies of cultural importance or key to defence? No. Doesn't sound very sovereign to me.
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jon
16/12/2020 10:47:48 12 19
bbc
Sovereignty must be respected including sovereignty of our waters, either through a deal or no-deal.
47
16/12/2020 10:49:58 8 3
bbc
There is no such thing as absolute sovereignty - it is always shared and compromised. Otherwise we could not belong to the UN, or NATO or make any trade agreements with anyone
196
16/12/2020 10:59:40 3 1
bbc
You can walk away from both the UN and NATO wirhout being punished!
48
16/12/2020 10:50:06 2 2
bbc
And the Dog and Pony Show continues..
20
16/12/2020 10:46:32 7 21
bbc
not narrow enough !

Make business pay their tariff taxes

free trade with single market access is too expensive
49
16/12/2020 10:50:11 7 5
bbc
Well it is YOU who be paying the taxes on imports and YOU who will be made unemployed when exporting businesses collapse because they are no longer competitive
16/12/2020 12:26:54 0 1
bbc
I'd suggest those whose jobs have already been lost to "near-shoring" may no agree that all job loses are one direction. (Nearshoring is where UK companies sent many back office functions/low skilled manufacture to low wage EU countries over many years) plus the EU removing all tariffs on Japanese cars by 2026 killed the UK car industry long before Brexit.
8
16/12/2020 10:44:47 40 38
bbc
The EU doing their level best to get a deal that works for eveyone.

Johnson simply negative.
50
16/12/2020 10:50:17 4 6
bbc
yes but when the deal is done this allows him to claim he played hard ball. in reality he is just a buffoon
51
16/12/2020 10:50:22 13 6
bbc
That's us stuffed - Boris can't keep to the straight and narrow!
231
16/12/2020 11:01:58 4 2
bbc
You are so right and he has never pulled out before.
27
16/12/2020 10:45:49 353 31
bbc
Ursula von der Leyen said the "next few days are going to be decisive"

How many times have we heard that?
52
16/12/2020 10:50:24 441 273
bbc
That's because Bojo's not going to walk away. All that bluff got him nowhere.
128
16/12/2020 10:55:40 52 21
bbc
His threat of walking away was diminished given the number of times he's said it and then agreed to an extension.

All this indecision and uncertainty being caused by the tories is terrible for business, they should just agree the deal.
234
16/12/2020 11:02:05 43 30
bbc
It was the realization that we might walk away that has brought the change in language. The 'bluff' (if you believe its a bluff) got us here. Both parties are at it. Its called negotiation and is no different to most complex negotiations. Well done - keep going in good faith.
333
16/12/2020 11:08:17 26 29
bbc
Is it bluff though. Remainers accuse BJ of not being up to the job, jingoistic along with a lot of othe less savoury descrptiions. As such, he may just have the mindset to tell the European bUnion to "Sod this for a game of soldiers, Im' orf"!
418
16/12/2020 11:15:03 42 39
bbc
Rubbish. If he had not played hardball the EU would have trampled all over us.
482
16/12/2020 11:20:27 20 17
bbc
He was willing to walk away weeks ago as he was not happy that significant progress was being made. She was the one who requested negotiations to continue with more intense and focused meetings.
16/12/2020 12:12:02 1 7
bbc
Boho doesn’t need to walk away, he is going to get a deal. EU is going to cough now. Bluster has all been on the EU side.
16/12/2020 12:17:04 2 5
bbc
He will walk away. The question is will the French and it is basically them, back down on demanding to fish in UK waters...?
16/12/2020 12:22:36 8 0
bbc
You assume Johnson is in control of his own actions. Post Cummings (still being paid his salary after the £45k hike by the way) Johnson just doesn't know which destructive button to fall on on any given day. Clearly made a fool of himself at that dinner last week too - probably told a few gynaecologist jokes before throwing the buns! Oh what a very expensive education can do for a fool!
16/12/2020 12:08:38 4 1
bbc
and even if we go past January 1, he will still need a deal.
16/12/2020 12:21:26 1 5
bbc
Hey Strawman, that is only your wishful thinking, he WILL walk away but only when there is no other option open to him. All of your remoaner sentiment is wasted, just like the 3 years you wasted trying to overturn the referendum and cost both sides valuable negotiating time. In any event we will be free from EU control, new laws emanating from there, and the EU army which is soon to rear its head.
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16/12/2020 10:48:53 15 23
bbc
The sticking points are entirely in the EU's court. No self respecting nation could accept these demands.
53
16/12/2020 10:50:24 10 7
bbc
In order.... No, they aren't. Yes, they can & have. Look up the terms of EEA & EFTA, some time.
54
16/12/2020 10:50:27 0 5
bbc
doot-doot-doodle-oodle oot doot do do
doot-doot-doodle-oodle oot doot do do
doot-doodle oot doot
doot-doodle oot doot
doodle oodle oodle oodle oodle oodle oo doo
84
16/12/2020 10:52:14 2 7
bbc
Alfred Hitchcock theme tune?
55
16/12/2020 10:50:27 6 6
bbc
I am sure a path has been there and agreed all along and this was just theatrics for politicians on both sides to appear tough in the eyes of their respective electorates. Meanwhile, ordinary people and businesses (UK and EU alike) have been played ping pong balls
56
16/12/2020 10:50:30 16 10
bbc
As Liz Truss does another cut 'n' paste rollover deal, Boris was heard asking why can't we do the same with the EU?

Apparently several of the UK negotiating team had to be pulled off him!??
57
16/12/2020 10:50:33 250 67
bbc
Anyone like to bet their christmas pudding on an extension of the transition period?
174
16/12/2020 10:58:33 156 75
bbc
I think this is the most likely outcome. Using the pandemic as a excuse for a 6 month (or longer) extension.
224
16/12/2020 11:01:35 17 6
bbc
That would be the most logical position to take at this stage, therefore is it really very likely?
250
16/12/2020 11:02:39 22 36
bbc
Absolutely. There is no legal way to extend it, so suck it up and cry into your latte, we are OUT of the EU and nothing is going to extend membership
439
16/12/2020 11:16:22 1 2
bbc
What are the bookies saying about this?
452
16/12/2020 11:17:27 5 0
bbc
I doubt there is time to pass the primary legislation required to extend the transition period.
476
16/12/2020 11:19:37 14 2
bbc
No it won't happen, we may have a 6 month 'Period of Transition' or a 6 month 'Implementation Period' or 'Period of Implementation'. But Johnson will not back down; the 'Transition Period' will end on 31st December as reliably as a DFS sale.
16/12/2020 12:17:21 3 1
bbc
A very foolish thing to do. A six month extension will mean nothing gets done for five and a half months and then we have the same rushing around like headless chickens in the last days up to any new deadline. Extensions should be done on a week at a time basis or nothing gets done. How much longer must this drag on.
16/12/2020 12:36:16 0 0
bbc
You won't get odds, it's a near certainty. Weren't the EU asking for a 10 or 20 year extension at one stage?
16/12/2020 12:45:51 0 4
bbc
Good Lord, this country and its people have zero backbone. We all knew the British Government would cave, Its seem that's what we are now a Nation of Surrender Monkeys.. You all make me sick!
16/12/2020 12:59:38 1 1
bbc
Hope so - 30 years would be good. By that time Johnson and his cronies will be long gone.
16/12/2020 13:07:16 0 0
bbc
Christmas pudding is too precious to waste
Ant
16/12/2020 13:58:44 3 0
bbc
Hopefully! The longer we retain our freedom of movement, the longer our citizens' fundamental rights will be upheld, before BoJo&Co throw them on the bonfire.
16/12/2020 14:23:04 0 0
bbc
No I like my pudding too much to lose it.
16/12/2020 14:30:09 0 0
bbc
I'll see your christmas pudding and raise you a turkey and a magnum of prosecco. We've already had two extensions; they achieved precisely nothing except to prolong the agony; nobody in their right mind would ever support another.

If we can't agree a deal by now, it will NEVER happen.
16/12/2020 15:48:00 0 1
bbc
I sincerely hope there are no more extensions! I'm sick of it and to hell with the controlling EU.
16/12/2020 15:46:24 0 0
bbc
No one can now accept and extension as too many statements have been made.
It will be like the game show anme

Deal or No Deal.

At the moment I'd put my money on the later
16/12/2020 16:02:01 0 0
bbc
Political suicide to go for another extension, far more likely an agreement in principle and continue negotiations
16/12/2020 16:42:06 1 0
bbc
My Christmas pudding is stuck in Felixstowe along with all the other Chinese goods stuck in the Brexit stockpiling.
16/12/2020 18:10:16 0 0
bbc
Don't waste your pudding
16/12/2020 18:32:36 0 0
bbc
Any extension of the transition period will be the death knell for Boris, it is not going to be extended...
17/12/2020 01:02:16 0 0
bbc
It would be the pragmatic and sensible course, so you can guarantee that Brexiteers will refuse it.
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W1A
16/12/2020 10:45:46 10 22
bbc
No thanks ursula, we`ll go no deal then start talks when you and barnier get it the uk is completely independant from th eu...
58
16/12/2020 10:50:37 10 5
bbc
But we're not
59
16/12/2020 10:50:40 12 15
bbc
europe playing a stormer leading johnson to the edge of the cliff and then letting him fall over without a parachute,great stuff for the eu to keep talks going knowing full well johnon has no tricks left but wto and tariffs,brexiteers live ina land of hope thinking they will easily get their way,wto here you come courtesy of the eu and not boris failue johnson,your out and you deserve all you get
188
16/12/2020 10:59:11 1 1
bbc
A more succinct summary of negotiating in bad faith would be difficult to find!
I thought it was about benefiting both parties but if the EU plan was to wreck UK one wonders why we actually bothered to go to the table.
60
16/12/2020 10:50:49 9 11
bbc
Looks like the old fisherfolk of England are about to be sold down The Swannee by the Tories
155
16/12/2020 10:57:01 3 2
bbc
If we exlcude Fr boats we wont be able to continue to sell the 60% of UK caught fish in Fr ports. In fact it would be silly for a UK boat to enter a Fr port.
If the Fr boats can't fish UK waters they are quite likely to blocade Fr ports and prevent the ferries from entering - including the new UK contract boats that are going to prop up our food supplies.
The consequences would be disasterous
61
16/12/2020 10:50:53 137 24
bbc
Ah just when we thought there was no more pointless wild conjecture, bile and insults to be hurled over a Brexit HYS, here we are, come on, go to the well, drag yourselves to the keyboard, tape up your blistered fingers for yet another round, go politico peloton go..
16/12/2020 13:39:49 87 34
bbc
The BBC does it deliberately. They are trolling the general public!
16/12/2020 17:54:27 0 0
bbc
Just like you here?
62
16/12/2020 10:50:58 26 20
bbc
Bobby Brexit from Sunderland says:
"I don't care about the economy. I just want brexit."
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. #HowTheBritsMuggedThemselves
191
16/12/2020 10:59:13 8 5
bbc
And "never mind that we all work for Nissan, Boris will make sure we will have other jobs to go to and sovereignty will pay for dinner".
63
16/12/2020 10:50:59 3 1
bbc
Well well well. Who would have thought it?
64
16/12/2020 10:51:02 832 81
bbc
Oh dear, am I late again for the daily slanging match between Remain and Leave?
I shall be glad when the sound bites from both sides are a distant memory. The EU have a perfect right to protect their interests, just as we in UK do. Let the negotiators just get on with it without all this background noise.
114
16/12/2020 10:54:55 509 24
bbc
Whatever we write, nobody pays us any attention. We're simply enjoying the opportunity to vent our spleens.
303
16/12/2020 11:06:04 61 11
bbc
The BBC love us all to engage in a daily slanging match.....they automatically open up any kind of Brexit story to HYS!!!
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eL
16/12/2020 11:07:33 14 1
bbc
Best not add to the cacophony ?
609
16/12/2020 11:30:34 41 64
bbc
"Oh dear, am I late again for the daily slanging match between Remain and Leave?"

Said the Leaver, whose tantrum about something else entirely caused this £200bn (so far) car-crash?
614
16/12/2020 11:31:00 15 6
bbc
Well said
732
16/12/2020 11:40:34 34 0
bbc
In terms of managing expectations suspect remain/leave sound bites/spleen venting will only continue for the next 10-15 years.
885
16/12/2020 11:52:41 4 2
bbc
Nailed it perfectly, well for MOST.
895
16/12/2020 11:54:22 6 1
bbc
The aftermath of Brexit will dominate UK politics for the foreseeable future and you are going to be waiting decades for the time when "the sound bites from both sides are a distant memory."
965
16/12/2020 12:01:57 10 6
bbc
Possibly the most sensible post on this subject I have ever read, nothing more than BBC setting the scene for more in/out bile they think is conducting a newsworthy HYS - AGAIN
16/12/2020 12:08:55 14 9
bbc
I must admit, the pro-EU BBC were much later than usual today in starting their daily Brexit HYS, letting everyone argue all day long, keeping the country divided. Perhaps the HYS manager was late getting into the office?
16/12/2020 12:13:09 8 1
bbc
I expect you are going to be waiting longer than it takes Britain or perhaps Scotland, England and Wales to rejoin the EU before sound bites become a distant memory.
16/12/2020 12:07:09 5 15
bbc
However the EU has far more power to enforce the protection of their interests, the empire ended many years ago.
16/12/2020 12:33:09 3 5
bbc
If that’s how you feel about the comments, why on earth would you click on the comments button? Ye gods.
16/12/2020 12:44:33 5 1
bbc
And they will. The only 'say' that the electorate had was in June 2016. Everything else is now a case out out of their control rather than taking back control. Just hope everyone recognises that.
16/12/2020 12:48:37 3 0
bbc
Hi
CEP
16/12/2020 12:57:08 4 3
bbc
Don't spoil the BBC's fun .... what will they do when this is all sealed? lol
16/12/2020 13:07:07 7 5
bbc
Brexiteers, they believe Europe is trying to hold on to too much control.

Remainers, they don't back Britain to survive independently of the EU.

Brexiteers will not sacrifice sovereignty for trade and will therefore accept "No Deal" if that's the price.

Remainers will not sacrifice trade for sovereignty and will therefore not accept "No Deal".

But we've left. So sovereignty must prevail.
16/12/2020 13:10:15 4 9
bbc
Brexit isn't going away. It will take us decades to recover from, and all the time the remain/leave divide will be there, with plenty of blame to go around.

Johnson lied when he said he would get brexit done, it's never going to be done.
16/12/2020 13:19:53 5 2
bbc
The best comment on this whole saga for months.
16/12/2020 13:51:30 4 0
bbc
They never will be a distant memory. That division is there to stay. Every time there is boom or bust the wound will open up. It's designed that way. The division is deliberate.
16/12/2020 14:17:36 2 0
bbc
The ongoing leaks to the press are the reason for all the sound bites they don't help anyone, what they do is wind up both camps!
16/12/2020 14:55:26 3 1
bbc
Oh you will spoil all my fun. the rantings of the doom and gloom merchants lighten my day
VC
16/12/2020 15:12:51 3 0
bbc
Must be some interest in what is being said, otherwise why join the conversation? By the way, I do not disagree, both parties have their interests in mind, but we should also be allowed to express an opinion, informed or not (in the majority of cases!). Additionally, comments on this forum can't be filtering their way to the negotiators, as otherwise we would have already resolved the impasse!
16/12/2020 16:26:24 1 0
bbc
Spot on!
16/12/2020 16:34:02 0 2
bbc
Indeed, but remember both sides are negotiating for something worse than the current arrangements. That makes it unique in the history of trade negotiations.
16/12/2020 17:26:56 1 0
bbc
It’s over there is no consensus they’re just running the clock down
16/12/2020 17:37:29 1 0
bbc
So what would you do about the fish? And should we have free and unfettered acces to the vineyards and cellars? You don't say much about what you think?
16/12/2020 17:50:14 0 1
bbc
ROLL ON BREXIT = ITS A DEAD DUCK !
16/12/2020 17:58:59 0 0
bbc
There are no remainers, we’ve left.
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16/12/2020 10:48:22 32 38
bbc
Fishing rights have NOTHING to do with a trade deal. It's like me trying to sell a car and a prospective buyer saying he'd like to buy it but only if I let him come round and sleep with my wife every Saturday night.
This has to be a line in the sand. Disgusting, blackmailing, EU crooks.
65
16/12/2020 10:51:02 10 14
bbc
europe is magic uk is crap
160
16/12/2020 10:57:45 1 0
bbc
I hope that you don't reside in the UK? If you don't then fair comment
172
16/12/2020 10:58:28 1 0
bbc
You must have 'learned' your grammar in the UK. Not to mention your exquisite thought process ;)
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W1A
16/12/2020 10:55:54 4 0
bbc
Off you trot then...
201
DSA
16/12/2020 11:00:04 3 1
bbc
I suggest you move to the EU, we don't want people with your attitude in the UK.
38
16/12/2020 10:48:37 9 8
bbc
good, get it done for all our benefits
66
16/12/2020 10:51:05 2 15
bbc
If it ain't BREXIT it ain't done.
253
16/12/2020 11:02:55 1 3
bbc
Brexit had been done, we have lost our rights, protections, benefits.
Now we're just discussing whether they want to buy any of our stuff from the companies that are already owned by foreigners.
Do keep up!
41
16/12/2020 10:48:53 15 23
bbc
The sticking points are entirely in the EU's court. No self respecting nation could accept these demands.
67
16/12/2020 10:51:07 0 3
bbc
Oh good, we'll accept them then!??
42
16/12/2020 10:49:00 14 16
bbc
The UK and EU trading relationship will remain fractious while UK insists upon departing from EU rules, while the UK population femains in the dark about what the Tory has in mind for those changes in regulations.

Going forwards, I can see UK's rolled over EU deals with Canada, Singapore and Japn unravelling as UK departs from EU standards:

.. until Labour get into power and reverse changes.
68
jon
16/12/2020 10:51:14 6 7
bbc
Labour would have capitulated to Brussels.
102
16/12/2020 10:53:44 4 2
bbc
Labour wanted a closer EU relationship .... That is not capitulation.

Maybe take the knotted hanky off the head and get some vitamin D.

It's good for general health.
127
16/12/2020 10:55:37 4 2
bbc
Capitulated? Brexiters are obsessed with war and conflict. Even the words they use are aggressive and nonsensical
69
16/12/2020 10:49:50 11 7
bbc
free trade with single market access is too expensive
——
Less than half the cost of Brexit Customs red tape alone?

What was your rationale?
70
16/12/2020 10:50:10 4 9
bbc
There always just anrrow path . that is why the people voted to leave .. silly woman .. PS . stop spying on me ... tracking me and ... opressing my freedom to speech you wrong " uns "
135
16/12/2020 10:56:04 1 2
bbc
Yet another brexiteer showing their appalling command of the English language - quite ironic really given their views.
71
16/12/2020 10:50:20 43 40
bbc
There is value in fighting for Britain, unlike labour who still have no Brexit stance unless it’s now any deal at any cost.
167
16/12/2020 10:58:09 10 16
bbc
That's always been Labour's stance!

Just sit back and watch, if it fails demand resignations, if it works try and take the credit.

Fortunately for the UK, Labour are irrelevant now.
195
16/12/2020 10:58:25 2 1
bbc
The BRINO offered by the EU is in the UK’s interest.

When will Brexiters “fight” for that?
215
16/12/2020 11:01:06 1 0
bbc
Would that be the 'better' deal Labour were going to negotiate ... and then vote against ?
334
16/12/2020 11:08:27 1 1
bbc
Labour had a stance on Brexit; re-evaluate it and do it properly if people still wanted it. Somehow this was too complicated for people, but then it was deliberately misconstrued.
510
16/12/2020 11:22:21 2 0
bbc
There is no fight, and we are not at war.

Johnson the liar, and the ERG have damaged, and are damaging the UK. Their incompetence and corruption is very self evident.

Yet, you and others seem to want to blame the political party who is not in government, for the Johnson the liars et al incompetence.

This is typical Brexiteers - everyone else is to blame, but themselves.

Own your mess.
27
16/12/2020 10:45:49 353 31
bbc
Ursula von der Leyen said the "next few days are going to be decisive"

How many times have we heard that?
72
16/12/2020 10:51:25 32 5
bbc
not from Ursula though
16
16/12/2020 10:46:01 15 5
bbc
We have left.
We need a deal.
We need to negotiate.
All deals need compromise.
73
16/12/2020 10:51:34 5 7
bbc
Brexiters do not do compromise. It's the England Uber Alles mindet. Everyone must bow down before the English Brexit Reich. Then they call it "bullying" when the EU fails to be impressed.
41
16/12/2020 10:48:53 15 23
bbc
The sticking points are entirely in the EU's court. No self respecting nation could accept these demands.
74
16/12/2020 10:51:34 1 3
bbc
Bet we do
75
16/12/2020 10:51:36 241 100
bbc
Does anyone else feel a Boris backdown coming on?
90
16/12/2020 10:52:41 147 65
bbc
Every time
116
16/12/2020 10:55:09 16 3
bbc
Already happened on NI border
118
16/12/2020 10:55:12 11 3
bbc
Done anyone feel a deluge of vitriol whatever Boris does coming on?
267
16/12/2020 11:03:45 3 9
bbc
No!
555
16/12/2020 11:26:14 3 6
bbc
Does anyone feel that a decent deal is in the offing?
643
16/12/2020 11:33:52 16 3
bbc
Absolutely not that he needs to worry. The EU could demand full fishing rights, the first born of every UK household and Boris doing Swan Lake in a pink Tutu, and the Fail and Excress would still say he had delivered a stunning victory. And fools would believe it.
16/12/2020 12:39:25 9 2
bbc
Yup - that ditch still has his name on it...
16/12/2020 13:04:23 5 0
bbc
Absolutely guaranteed.It's what he does-every time.
16/12/2020 14:00:53 4 0
bbc
100%
16/12/2020 14:12:35 8 0
bbc
It's what he does.

I am struggling to think of a single policy that he hasn't changed because people didn't like it; the man is desperate to be liked and has no care for the consequences of his indecision.

The antithesis of leadership.
gbs
16/12/2020 17:43:25 0 2
bbc
Nope.
xlr
16/12/2020 20:34:32 2 0
bbc
It's the same old old with the Tories. They're not for turning... until the industry billionaires start ringing the special No.10 telephone.
76
16/12/2020 10:51:43 10 9
bbc
Why are they dragging this out? Blatantly obvious, neither side is prepared to give an inch. Draw a line under it, stop wasting time and move on
96
16/12/2020 10:53:30 2 1
bbc
Neither side has the gumption to do that, as each side wants to blame the other for the failure of the negotiations (regardless of what they say).
41
16/12/2020 10:48:53 15 23
bbc
The sticking points are entirely in the EU's court. No self respecting nation could accept these demands.
77
16/12/2020 10:51:46 3 4
bbc
we arent self respecting we are self destructing
78
16/12/2020 10:51:54 106 89
bbc
EU redlines. Level playing field. Any diversion by UK; UK will be fined.

State Aid / Standards etc

Governance; UK must abide by ECJ

And now this!

Keep the EU’s feet to the No Deal Brexit fire UK.

Reality now beginning to make Brussels blink!

As for fish, Macron on course for 100% of nothing!

Go UK
31/12/20
??????
173
16/12/2020 10:58:31 88 59
bbc
Nonsense. The EU 27 have always understood that brexit would damage them. They know that it will damage the UK more, but they are still desperate to get a deal. Why? Because, unlike "**** business" Boris and Nigel the Swindler, and the rest of your heroes, they actually care about their countries and their citizens and their businesses. That is why.
16/12/2020 12:38:31 4 1
bbc
The Brexiters have spent decades saying that the EU is akin to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, totalitarian and dictatorial, and a ‘protectionist racket’. Yet they seem to have predicated Brexit on the starry-eyed belief that it would be cuddly and nice, and a pushover in the negotiations.
16/12/2020 16:34:12 0 1
bbc
You obviously were not around in the early 1970's, and therefore can't remember why we joined the EEC in the first place - mostly out of desperation. And you obviously forget that Margaret Thatcher - very big on talking tough for the benefit of the Daily Mail and the Telegraph, but in reality she recognised where Britain's future lay so signed up for the EU.
8
16/12/2020 10:44:47 40 38
bbc
The EU doing their level best to get a deal that works for eveyone.

Johnson simply negative.
79
16/12/2020 10:51:54 3 6
bbc
Nobody voted for a deal.
310
16/12/2020 11:06:41 1 3
bbc
They were sold the easiest deal in history
80
16/12/2020 10:51:59 337 211
bbc
Brexit
All the pain
Absolutely NO gain
291
16/12/2020 11:05:19 204 243
bbc
That's what defeatists have said about every freedom movement in history.
294
16/12/2020 11:05:27 23 54
bbc
Only someone with no backbone or ambition would view it that way.
689
16/12/2020 11:37:08 10 19
bbc
Terrible thing this democracy lark isn't it!
16/12/2020 12:38:08 6 23
bbc
Not so - short term pain long term gain and that is coming from a French company working in London.
16/12/2020 13:25:15 3 2
bbc
Absolutely correct the UK quota as an independent state will still be decided by the existing allocations. So there can be no increase in UK quota unless by international agreement. EU countries will struggle to catch their quota allocation if the are excluded from UK waters. They can either not take it or rent it to UK vessels. Probably very good for fish stocks though.
Pat
16/12/2020 13:27:32 1 0
bbc
No VAT on your Tampons
16/12/2020 13:55:10 2 1
bbc
Agree, no gain in any of this. Time will prove that despite tory spin.
16/12/2020 15:28:30 1 2
bbc
Through your blinkered, short-sighted eyes perhaps.
16/12/2020 16:48:47 1 0
bbc
Freedom is a heavy responsability indeed
16/12/2020 18:18:07 1 0
bbc
It hasn't happened yet ask the question in 10 years time
17/12/2020 00:43:50 0 0
bbc
And you know this even before we have left, clever you are.
81
MVP
16/12/2020 10:52:07 10 12
bbc
Boris Johnson needs to swallow his pride now an accept what the EU are offering

The alternative is economic disaster for the UK
92
16/12/2020 10:52:59 6 3
bbc
Err, no he doesn't
82
16/12/2020 10:52:08 7 10
bbc
The consumption of fish in the UK has been reducing consistently for decades, and fishing rights is an emotive subject for a very small (yet none the less important) number of coastal folk. Stop making everyone suffer for the few. The fish caught in UK waters are not that important to most people in the UK.
133
evz
16/12/2020 10:55:59 1 3
bbc
On the same grounds(small number of folk affect) then forego all Covid restrictions & let us all get on with life as per a year ago??
1
16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
bbc
Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
83
16/12/2020 10:52:09 9 14
bbc
All shows how inflexible EU are. I bet Mexico didn't ask for fishing rights and signing up to Mexican law.
129
16/12/2020 10:55:44 3 3
bbc
No Johnson must wear a sombrero and do the Mexican hat dance on Strictly with Ann Widdecombe.
16/12/2020 18:23:45 0 0
bbc
I wonder why Mexico might not be as interested in fishing rights within UK waters as the EU....
54
16/12/2020 10:50:27 0 5
bbc
doot-doot-doodle-oodle oot doot do do
doot-doot-doodle-oodle oot doot do do
doot-doodle oot doot
doot-doodle oot doot
doodle oodle oodle oodle oodle oodle oo doo
84
16/12/2020 10:52:14 2 7
bbc
Alfred Hitchcock theme tune?
85
16/12/2020 10:52:23 139 48
bbc
At the start I said we should have negotiated the deal before deciding to leave. What we've done is a bit like signing a binding contract to buy a house then starting to negotiate the price!

We're stuck with this stupidity, but so is the EU. With both parties expecting huge losses if no deal is agreed, some sort of fudge is likely. I just hope it doesn't prove too traumatic!
125
16/12/2020 10:55:32 135 7
bbc
That would have been good, but EU rules specifically excluded any negotiation on a "deal" before Article 50 had been invoked.
170
16/12/2020 10:58:18 21 21
bbc
The reason why we voted to leave is precisely the same reason that we cannot reach a deal now - the EU is not willing to negotiate, the unelected assembly just decides what it is going to do and we have to just comply..... think of it as someone you have never met before telling you how to spend your wages and you get the idea !
277
16/12/2020 11:04:48 9 0
bbc
Sure. But article 50 clearly states that negotiations are for withdrawal accounting for future relationship. Rather than all at once.
297
16/12/2020 11:05:35 17 10
bbc
What we should have done is drawn out what our aims and goals were for brexit and put it to a public vote before article 50. Instead it was all forced through as quickly as possible with next to no thought with as little parliamentary scrutiny as possible (hence things like Gina Miller's case)
318
16/12/2020 11:07:00 10 7
bbc
That makes no sense what country would want to negotiate before a referendum and without knowing the result and be honest it was a result the majority did not expect including us that voted for Brexit
896
16/12/2020 11:54:32 7 2
bbc
Article 50 was designed to be non invokable; in fact for countries in the Eurozone it pretty much is.

It was introduced with the Lisbon treaty in order to achieve political union without having to mess around with referendum's after the collapse of the constitution.

Were it possible to invoke article 50 gracefully it would have been a big fail!
16/12/2020 12:07:49 11 9
bbc
The EU is a rules based organisation and it is quite straight forward to work out what you need to do in order to gain the level of access you want. Unfortunately rather than present a credible Brexit plan to voters in 2016, Brexit has always been based on lies and wishful thinking rather than reality, portraying the EU as unreasonable for not giving the UK a better deal than actual EU members.
16/12/2020 12:15:55 4 3
bbc
You are correct. The referendum should have been taken as a 'sounding board' to get the views of the people. It could have then been used as a 'stick' from within. As any political opposition party knows .. it's difficult to get those with the power to change ,if you haven't got any clout. Just ask Labour
16/12/2020 13:38:46 2 3
bbc
I guess you've never been lucky enough to go through a divorce.

The decision to split comes first. The eye watering cost is agreed later. And once you see how much she wants to sting you for, you realise that splitting was the best thing that ever happened to you. You realise what she was really like.
16/12/2020 13:55:17 0 0
bbc
In that scenario, the Eu would give absolutely nothing to the Uk - to force a no vote on the “deal”. Put another way, what labour wanted, despite the referendum and their earlier words.
16/12/2020 15:57:00 0 0
bbc
That would have been the righ tthings but the EU didn't want that as it would mean members could leave without being punished for destroying the EU federalists dream of the US of E
16/12/2020 20:04:48 0 0
bbc
Oh no I hate Fudge.
86
16/12/2020 10:52:23 20 16
bbc
A gentle reminder that we have access to French waters currently because we're part of the EU. It's not all one-way traffic.
107
16/12/2020 10:54:04 12 10
bbc
Gibberish
131
16/12/2020 10:55:53 2 0
bbc
France has the largest exclusive economic zone in the world. UK are fifth.

So why are they so obsessed with ours?
143
16/12/2020 10:56:35 6 3
bbc
We do but we dont need French waters. The French need ours though. That is for certain.
8
16/12/2020 10:44:47 40 38
bbc
The EU doing their level best to get a deal that works for eveyone.

Johnson simply negative.
87
16/12/2020 10:52:26 5 1
bbc
Details of EU "Diong their level best" please.
740
16/12/2020 11:41:02 0 1
bbc
work it out yourself
34
16/12/2020 10:48:20 14 13
bbc
Reuters reports:
"Failure to get a deal would damage economies on both sides of the English Channel, send shockwaves through markets, snarl borders and cause chaos in supply chains across Europe as it struggles with COVID-19".

Nice balanced reporting.
88
16/12/2020 10:52:28 4 4
bbc
If the BBC said that the Brexiters would implode! Brexit is only bad for the EU in their blinkered view!??
1
16/12/2020 10:43:28 40 37
bbc
Liz Truss Strikes again! Deal Number 58 and an important one if we are to join the CPTPP.
The UK yesterday signed a trade deal with Mexico, locking in tariff-free trade and other benefits for British businesses and consumers.
That is now 7 of the 11 CPTPP members we now have new deals with. Australia and New Zealand will follow Shortly.
Guess where we are headed?
Keep them coming Liz!!
89
16/12/2020 10:52:37 11 3
bbc
Ctrl C, Ctrl V

Ain't Liz great, oh and CHEESE!
75
16/12/2020 10:51:36 241 100
bbc
Does anyone else feel a Boris backdown coming on?
90
16/12/2020 10:52:41 147 65
bbc
Every time
576
16/12/2020 11:28:01 3 4
bbc
If he does not show any flexibility, and we get no deal, you will then be on the next BBC discussion bitterly complaining that he is reckless and uncaring.
7
16/12/2020 10:44:33 8 10
bbc
15 days of the Transition period left
Parliament recess this Friday and is not scheduled to return until January 7th
Listen out for an announcement from Jacob Rees-Mogg . Parliament to be sitting next Monday and Tuesday?
Its called squeaky bum time Brussels!!!
91
16/12/2020 10:52:55 7 6
bbc
But NOT for the EU
For the UK
81
MVP
16/12/2020 10:52:07 10 12
bbc
Boris Johnson needs to swallow his pride now an accept what the EU are offering

The alternative is economic disaster for the UK
92
16/12/2020 10:52:59 6 3
bbc
Err, no he doesn't
28
16/12/2020 10:45:50 5 18
bbc
She has nothing to negotiate with, their abuse and cruelty is unbearable at this stage, I happily renounce European Romanian passport, it is official.
93
16/12/2020 10:53:07 7 1
bbc
What cruelty? What abuse? Do grow up!??
38
16/12/2020 10:48:37 9 8
bbc
good, get it done for all our benefits
94
16/12/2020 10:53:07 0 3
bbc
it has to be no deal,brexiteers need that lesson learned
14
16/12/2020 10:45:51 26 13
bbc
Another deal rolled over, can she do the EU too or do we get something far far worse than we already had...........
95
16/12/2020 10:53:10 15 10
bbc
The Brexit people are thick.

They have not checked the details.

In some of the deals struck, they are copies of the EU deal, but with added clauses which make them worse.

The Brexiteers have sold out the UK.
76
16/12/2020 10:51:43 10 9
bbc
Why are they dragging this out? Blatantly obvious, neither side is prepared to give an inch. Draw a line under it, stop wasting time and move on
96
16/12/2020 10:53:30 2 1
bbc
Neither side has the gumption to do that, as each side wants to blame the other for the failure of the negotiations (regardless of what they say).
36
16/12/2020 10:48:34 21 19
bbc
Macron will be flapping now if we have a deal that doesn't include fishing. Will you do as Germany say or play your veto Emmanuelle?

Well, do you feel lucky punk?
97
16/12/2020 10:53:31 6 3
bbc
he does he has the tunnel and calais
98
16/12/2020 10:53:37 1 4
bbc
Deal is done, has been for a while, this is all posturing so when the bad news comes about the content they can say it’s better than no deal
99
VC
16/12/2020 10:53:37 90 26
bbc
This is positive. The two main points are nearing agreement, fishing and the level playing field. Britain needs access to EU markets on fishing, as most fish caught by UK fishermen are sold in Europe. In terms of the level playing field, the EU is seeking a high degree of alignment by the UK with its standards on workers rights, the environment and particularly state aid for businesses.
409
16/12/2020 11:14:20 140 94
bbc
Level playing field, what they mean is that the EU is an expensive club to be in and do not want the UK to be able to produce goods far cheaper than they can.
726
16/12/2020 11:40:10 14 13
bbc
The EU needs access to our international waters, that's where the fish are. The UK already has higher standards than the EU on worker's rights, workers safety, road safety, air pollution and animal welfare.
844
16/12/2020 11:49:32 10 7
bbc
Except that EU countries don't actually abide by their own state aid rules ;-)
977
16/12/2020 12:02:43 3 0
bbc
Will that level playing field with regards to state aid be reciprocal?
16/12/2020 12:35:35 0 0
bbc
What alternatives do they have to fish from UK waters?
16/12/2020 12:36:35 1 1
bbc
There is no difference in standards on workers rights; the UK has not altered any since leaving the EU. What the EU want is the right to change standards, and to be able to force the UK to adopt any changes.
16/12/2020 12:59:09 0 0
bbc
"the EU is seeking a high degree of alignment by the UK with its standards on workers rights, the environment and particularly state aid for businesses" This would mean that the UK could not improve environmental standards or animal welfare and make that a positive during sales, to me that would be shame.
16/12/2020 13:16:25 1 0
bbc
Why is it that you and most people on here have no knowledge on workers rights ? Britain has led the world in most areas of workers rights post WW2 - and yet you think it is the EU that introduced these laws - bearing in mind until the mid 1990's - it did not even have any powers - please read our own Factories Acts, British Standards and Health and Safety Acts . We only follow EU laws now!.
16/12/2020 15:12:34 0 0
bbc
Germany and France having bunged thier national airlines bilions, contary to EU competion rules, so they can clean up after Covid have a bit of a sauce taiking about level playing fields.
16/12/2020 18:26:36 0 0
bbc
The second is a mute point, at the moment we are compliant but there's a lack of trust that other EU countries don't observe state aid rules
100
16/12/2020 10:53:38 14 7
bbc
Why do we have to get this endless rhetoric on the negotiations? its almost as if the EU pandering to the media for a dramatic headline, all very tedious
181
16/12/2020 10:55:50 10 8
bbc
You can see in the way they talk that they are very much a danger to freedom and democracy .. i pit the children of tomorrow i really do ... better to get out now and create a strong society that can fight back if need be . ...