MPs slam 'woeful' plans to recover Covid-19 loans
16/12/2020 | news | business | 73
The Public Accounts Committee says taxpayers will lose out because billions of pounds may never be recovered.
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16/12/2020 10:27:05 15 10
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When has the Labour led Public Accounts Committee not criticised the Conservative government.

Politics, eh?
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16/12/2020 10:46:55 15 4
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Is this the same committee that has 5 Labour Members and 9 Conservative members?
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16/12/2020 10:48:22 5 1
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Chaired by Labour, but more Tories than Labour on committee. So democratic, nearly.
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16/12/2020 10:56:21 6 2
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This is what I find so concerning when reading HYS. People post comments such as the above with little or no knowledge in an attempt to discredit. Probably insufficient knowledge resulted in voting for Brexit too?
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jon
16/12/2020 10:32:28 23 12
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Stuff happens in an emergency. We have still not been paid back after Gordon Brown’s tax-payer bail-out of RBS.
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16/12/2020 12:05:26 8 3
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I think you may find the whole world economy was going over a cliff at the time, that included the UK which may come as a surprise.
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16/12/2020 12:06:56 2 2
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Yes, and who has been in power since 2010 and failed to recover money from the banks ?

Can you answer me that one ???
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16/12/2020 12:27:32 2 3
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That's different of course, because it wasn't the "Tories".
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16/12/2020 10:34:27 21 1
bbc
It's the easiest thing in the world to dish out money. It's a totally different ball game getting it back.
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16/12/2020 11:36:30 5 6
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Dishing out money for no good reason is basic incompetence from our government.
Only 5 Covid deaths in the whole of London (populist 9 million) on Saturday, but they have locked us down again.
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16/12/2020 13:55:42 1 2
bbc
Of course they had no plans to get it back, sure a big whack of it went to their mates
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16/12/2020 10:27:05 15 10
bbc
When has the Labour led Public Accounts Committee not criticised the Conservative government.

Politics, eh?
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16/12/2020 10:46:55 15 4
bbc
Is this the same committee that has 5 Labour Members and 9 Conservative members?
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16/12/2020 10:27:05 15 10
bbc
When has the Labour led Public Accounts Committee not criticised the Conservative government.

Politics, eh?
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16/12/2020 10:48:22 5 1
bbc
Chaired by Labour, but more Tories than Labour on committee. So democratic, nearly.
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16/12/2020 10:49:15 5 5
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Well, they had never elevated a cold virus into plague territory before, so they were bound to get somethings wrong.
Hopefully the voodoo scientists and authoritarians will keep a lid on the massive overreaction next time.
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16/12/2020 10:27:05 15 10
bbc
When has the Labour led Public Accounts Committee not criticised the Conservative government.

Politics, eh?
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16/12/2020 10:56:21 6 2
bbc
This is what I find so concerning when reading HYS. People post comments such as the above with little or no knowledge in an attempt to discredit. Probably insufficient knowledge resulted in voting for Brexit too?
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16/12/2020 10:56:38 5 7
bbc
Some people are just born to criticise. No solutions, just problems.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:58:44 2 4
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Rule of law - fixed for you.
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16/12/2020 12:08:27 0 2
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Tory sycophant.
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eL
bbc
These tory billion-pound-bungers aren't worried by fishfood. Removed
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16/12/2020 10:56:38 5 7
bbc
Some people are just born to criticise. No solutions, just problems.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:58:44 2 4
bbc
Rule of law - fixed for you.
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16/12/2020 10:59:59 7 3
bbc
Personally, I wouldn't object to a struggling small business bending the rules a little, because the majority in this category have been caught between a rock & a hard place. What I detest is the 'professional' fraudsters, who're probably not even within our shores & nor too is the money, but as usual, it'll be the easy targets on the doorstep that'll be taken to task.
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16/12/2020 11:04:04 14 6
bbc
We wasted over £400BN on an ineffective response to Covid

Deaths just followed the expected Gompertz Curve based on seasons without deviating (just like Flu)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpSonKVXUAASuRK?format=png

Interventions (e.g. Lockdowns/Tiers) had no discernible effect.

If you can see any impact then I have a Wheres Wally book for you

Hint : Downing Street (when not on holiday)
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16/12/2020 11:05:48 9 3
bbc
Thats why No Lockdown Sweden looks so similar to the multi interventions UK

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?time=2020-03-16..latest&country=SWE~GBR®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7

The virus will naturally evolve to be more infectious but less lethal and in time become just like its earlier Coronavirus Cold sibblings.
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16/12/2020 11:04:04 14 6
bbc
We wasted over £400BN on an ineffective response to Covid

Deaths just followed the expected Gompertz Curve based on seasons without deviating (just like Flu)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpSonKVXUAASuRK?format=png

Interventions (e.g. Lockdowns/Tiers) had no discernible effect.

If you can see any impact then I have a Wheres Wally book for you

Hint : Downing Street (when not on holiday)
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16/12/2020 11:05:48 9 3
bbc
Thats why No Lockdown Sweden looks so similar to the multi interventions UK

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?time=2020-03-16..latest&country=SWE~GBR®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7

The virus will naturally evolve to be more infectious but less lethal and in time become just like its earlier Coronavirus Cold sibblings.
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16/12/2020 11:59:16 2 1
bbc
The Swedish constitution prevented the Swedish government from imposing a lockdown it wasn't an option available to their government.

Any chance you've compared the number of cases between each of the Scandinavian countries as that provides a much better basis for comparison to Sweden? Although Norway, Finland and Denmark all have far fewer Covid cases than Sweden after they imposed lockdowns
Sunak can ask Cummings to pay back the £45,000 bung he received from Johnson. Removed
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16/12/2020 11:33:17 4 5
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Steve-T
Personally, I wouldn't object to a struggling small business bending the rules a little, because the majority in this category have been caught between a rock & a hard place. What I detest is the 'professional' fraudsters, who're probably not even within our shores..
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I would agree its like those that get a 50% pay rise before being sacked, break the rules they devised but go un-punished.
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16/12/2020 10:34:27 21 1
bbc
It's the easiest thing in the world to dish out money. It's a totally different ball game getting it back.
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16/12/2020 11:36:30 5 6
bbc
Dishing out money for no good reason is basic incompetence from our government.
Only 5 Covid deaths in the whole of London (populist 9 million) on Saturday, but they have locked us down again.
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16/12/2020 13:56:47 2 1
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Ah yes, lockdowns should only happen if deaths are spiking even though by that point it is already too late. death spikes occur 3 weeks after covid spikes due to delay, you are better acting while cases go up and bed occupancy increases than wait till its too late
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16/12/2020 15:24:18 0 0
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You do realise that today’s death and from infections 3 to 6 weeks ago ?

It’s not about the current death rate, it’s about what it’s likely to be in a few weeks, London R rate is running out of control if it does not come down a huge increase in hospitalisation and death will follow.
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16/12/2020 11:36:39 5 7
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How much involvement does the Uncivil Service have in these schemes, it’s obvious they think they are in charge.
Bring back Cummings.
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16/12/2020 11:44:59 8 5
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Most of the money was handed to Cummings' chums.
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16/12/2020 12:07:52 1 1
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I bet you support Cummings massive pay rise ?
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16/12/2020 12:12:02 1 1
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Cummings is GONE. Try not to cry.
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16/12/2020 11:36:39 5 7
bbc
How much involvement does the Uncivil Service have in these schemes, it’s obvious they think they are in charge.
Bring back Cummings.
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16/12/2020 11:44:59 8 5
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Most of the money was handed to Cummings' chums.
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16/12/2020 11:51:17 14 3
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I didn't get any grants, any loans, nothing.
I didn't need them because I run my business well and have reserves.
The Government handed out cash with no thought as to how to get it back.
Now they are going to tax my home, my business and my pension to fill the gap.
It's just BS.
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16/12/2020 11:56:36 6 8
bbc
You have to remember that theses committees are actually run by the Labour party who want to do everything they can to hurt the government at every turn.I am one who has not been able to get one penny since March and am very happy in the way the Government has acted in many of the things they have done
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16/12/2020 12:08:41 0 3
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"theses" ?
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16/12/2020 13:15:31 1 1
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There is a conservative majority on these committees so your assertion is nonsense!
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16/12/2020 11:58:49 13 10
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The PAC has just become a Labour mouthpiece for Meg Hillier.

In Spring Labour and the MSM were screeching about how businesses were going bust because applications were taking so long, and the credit checks were too strict. Now they are complaining the rules are too lax and open to fraud.

They are the party of hindsight.
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16/12/2020 11:05:48 9 3
bbc
Thats why No Lockdown Sweden looks so similar to the multi interventions UK

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?time=2020-03-16..latest&country=SWE~GBR®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7

The virus will naturally evolve to be more infectious but less lethal and in time become just like its earlier Coronavirus Cold sibblings.
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16/12/2020 11:59:16 2 1
bbc
The Swedish constitution prevented the Swedish government from imposing a lockdown it wasn't an option available to their government.

Any chance you've compared the number of cases between each of the Scandinavian countries as that provides a much better basis for comparison to Sweden? Although Norway, Finland and Denmark all have far fewer Covid cases than Sweden after they imposed lockdowns
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16/12/2020 12:02:31 14 3
bbc
More Billions lost through poor management, the crims must be laughing all the way.
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jon
16/12/2020 10:32:28 23 12
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Stuff happens in an emergency. We have still not been paid back after Gordon Brown’s tax-payer bail-out of RBS.
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16/12/2020 12:05:26 8 3
bbc
I think you may find the whole world economy was going over a cliff at the time, that included the UK which may come as a surprise.
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MVS
16/12/2020 12:13:55 12 3
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The health alarmists seized the agenda from the off. The MSM - cheerleader in chief the BBC - picked up the chants and helped to put the fear of God into ordinary people, and the government panicked and put us all into lockdown.
In March Sunak put together a reasonable set of measures to mitigate the damage.
Since then any attempt to bring a sense of sanity to the debate is howled down!
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jon
16/12/2020 10:32:28 23 12
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Stuff happens in an emergency. We have still not been paid back after Gordon Brown’s tax-payer bail-out of RBS.
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16/12/2020 12:06:56 2 2
bbc
Yes, and who has been in power since 2010 and failed to recover money from the banks ?

Can you answer me that one ???
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16/12/2020 11:36:39 5 7
bbc
How much involvement does the Uncivil Service have in these schemes, it’s obvious they think they are in charge.
Bring back Cummings.
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16/12/2020 12:07:52 1 1
bbc
I bet you support Cummings massive pay rise ?
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16/12/2020 10:56:38 5 7
bbc
Some people are just born to criticise. No solutions, just problems.
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16/12/2020 12:08:27 0 2
bbc
Tory sycophant.
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16/12/2020 11:56:36 6 8
bbc
You have to remember that theses committees are actually run by the Labour party who want to do everything they can to hurt the government at every turn.I am one who has not been able to get one penny since March and am very happy in the way the Government has acted in many of the things they have done
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16/12/2020 12:08:41 0 3
bbc
"theses" ?
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16/12/2020 11:36:39 5 7
bbc
How much involvement does the Uncivil Service have in these schemes, it’s obvious they think they are in charge.
Bring back Cummings.
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16/12/2020 12:12:02 1 1
bbc
Cummings is GONE. Try not to cry.
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jon
16/12/2020 10:32:28 23 12
bbc
Stuff happens in an emergency. We have still not been paid back after Gordon Brown’s tax-payer bail-out of RBS.
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16/12/2020 12:27:32 2 3
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That's different of course, because it wasn't the "Tories".
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16/12/2020 12:30:12 12 0
bbc
How would these MP'S survive in the real world.......
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16/12/2020 13:24:37 7 1
bbc
The answer, of course, is that they wouldn't ... that's why very few of them have ever had a proper job outside politics - the same goes for all those 'staff' that they employ from within their own family or the family of other MPs.

And now we have multiple generations of MPs, Stephen Kinnock, Hilary Benn, Nick Hurd etc to name a few - even less real world experience.
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16/12/2020 12:40:22 10 4
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Yes the small business should be scrutinised as to how much they were given and if it was legit, BUT, so should all the PPE and track and trace beneficiaries where money was literally thrown at MP's friends and families "businesses" for poor or non-existent resources.
This government has treated our tax-payers money as their personal piggy bank, to give to their favourites, literally £millions
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16/12/2020 12:42:59 8 4
bbc
Its only the taxpayers money after all???

Incompetence with a Glazed Cherry on Top..
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16/12/2020 12:43:45 11 5
bbc
Another World Beating Fiasco from our Clown PM.
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16/12/2020 15:18:25 0 2
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Yet another rabid labour supporters comment here.
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16/12/2020 12:45:10 19 5
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I’ve just paid my corporation tax today. I used to feel I was making a small, but useful contribution to help the smooth running of the country. Today I felt I was throwing my money down the drain to be squandered by an incompetent Government run by a bunch of nincompoops.
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16/12/2020 20:28:14 2 0
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The climate of any organisation comes from the top. Johnson's just not bothered is he? Money's never been an issue in his life so it has no value. And certainly when it's not his.

You can't expect responsibility from people who lead consequence-free lives.
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16/12/2020 13:06:13 7 1
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Fiscally prudent eh? ??
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16/12/2020 13:09:54 15 1
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Thoughtful
11:56
You have to remember that theses committees are actually run by the Labour party who want to do everything they can to hurt the government at every turn.

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Absolute nonsense, there are 16 members of the PAC, 9 of who are conservatives.
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16/12/2020 13:57:50 3 2
bbc
I never realised that Labour Party were actually running the country - They really are making a mess of it.
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16/12/2020 11:56:36 6 8
bbc
You have to remember that theses committees are actually run by the Labour party who want to do everything they can to hurt the government at every turn.I am one who has not been able to get one penny since March and am very happy in the way the Government has acted in many of the things they have done
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16/12/2020 13:15:31 1 1
bbc
There is a conservative majority on these committees so your assertion is nonsense!
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16/12/2020 12:30:12 12 0
bbc
How would these MP'S survive in the real world.......
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16/12/2020 13:24:37 7 1
bbc
The answer, of course, is that they wouldn't ... that's why very few of them have ever had a proper job outside politics - the same goes for all those 'staff' that they employ from within their own family or the family of other MPs.

And now we have multiple generations of MPs, Stephen Kinnock, Hilary Benn, Nick Hurd etc to name a few - even less real world experience.
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16/12/2020 13:33:36 6 1
bbc
When the Furlough plans were first announced people were up in arms. What about me, it doesn't go far enough, I don't have those records! So, it changed over the months. Became easier to claim and by more people. The BBC rolled out someone new who wasn't getting it nearly everyday. Well, less evidence needed makes fraud easier. The ones at fault here are those who claimed fraudulently.
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MVS
16/12/2020 14:43:20 2 2
bbc
Your description of the BBC as cheerleader of every individual hardship case is totally accurate.
Seldom ( if ever!) have I seen or heard on BBC a balanced report suggesting that the Chancellor has in fact covered far more edge cases than any other European country. And those he struggled to cover were largely because the systems to manage fraud for those groups could not be put in place
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16/12/2020 13:42:35 7 1
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Those defending the govt by attacking the Public Accounts Committee for doing its job should read the following extracted from this page:-

In October, the National Audit Office, the government's spending watchdog, estimated that up to 60% of emergency pandemic loans may never be repaid. It said as much as £26bn could be lost from fraud, organised crime or default.

Taxpayers are footing the bill
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16/12/2020 13:55:17 7 2
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Government has "no clear plans" - pretty rich when Johnson's stock tactic (i.e. not answering a question by asking another one) to Starmer at PMQs is asking "what would you do?" - he should add - "because we haven't a clue"
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16/12/2020 10:34:27 21 1
bbc
It's the easiest thing in the world to dish out money. It's a totally different ball game getting it back.
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16/12/2020 13:55:42 1 2
bbc
Of course they had no plans to get it back, sure a big whack of it went to their mates
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16/12/2020 11:36:30 5 6
bbc
Dishing out money for no good reason is basic incompetence from our government.
Only 5 Covid deaths in the whole of London (populist 9 million) on Saturday, but they have locked us down again.
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16/12/2020 13:56:47 2 1
bbc
Ah yes, lockdowns should only happen if deaths are spiking even though by that point it is already too late. death spikes occur 3 weeks after covid spikes due to delay, you are better acting while cases go up and bed occupancy increases than wait till its too late
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16/12/2020 13:09:54 15 1
bbc
Thoughtful
11:56
You have to remember that theses committees are actually run by the Labour party who want to do everything they can to hurt the government at every turn.

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Absolute nonsense, there are 16 members of the PAC, 9 of who are conservatives.
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16/12/2020 13:57:50 3 2
bbc
I never realised that Labour Party were actually running the country - They really are making a mess of it.
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16/12/2020 14:27:06 2 1
bbc
Since no loans have yet fallen due for repayment, why is there as yet any problem at all?
And, if there are later problems re repayment due to fraud, surely that's the fraudsters' fault and nobody else's?
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16/12/2020 14:47:37 4 1
bbc
If the Government is lending taxpayers money it should carry out due diligence to ensure those it lends to will repay it. If you’re running a successful business that’s what you are doing. The Government is being incompetent with the money given to them in taxes. It’s due to successfully run businesses that have the money to squander. Maybe you can understand why I’m pi*sed of with them.
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16/12/2020 19:10:01 0 0
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No, if I come along saying lend me some money, wouldn't you do the odd check to see if you thought I could pay it back? The Government didn't but not only that, they TOLD businesses not to check!
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16/12/2020 13:33:36 6 1
bbc
When the Furlough plans were first announced people were up in arms. What about me, it doesn't go far enough, I don't have those records! So, it changed over the months. Became easier to claim and by more people. The BBC rolled out someone new who wasn't getting it nearly everyday. Well, less evidence needed makes fraud easier. The ones at fault here are those who claimed fraudulently.
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MVS
16/12/2020 14:43:20 2 2
bbc
Your description of the BBC as cheerleader of every individual hardship case is totally accurate.
Seldom ( if ever!) have I seen or heard on BBC a balanced report suggesting that the Chancellor has in fact covered far more edge cases than any other European country. And those he struggled to cover were largely because the systems to manage fraud for those groups could not be put in place
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16/12/2020 14:27:06 2 1
bbc
Since no loans have yet fallen due for repayment, why is there as yet any problem at all?
And, if there are later problems re repayment due to fraud, surely that's the fraudsters' fault and nobody else's?
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16/12/2020 14:47:37 4 1
bbc
If the Government is lending taxpayers money it should carry out due diligence to ensure those it lends to will repay it. If you’re running a successful business that’s what you are doing. The Government is being incompetent with the money given to them in taxes. It’s due to successfully run businesses that have the money to squander. Maybe you can understand why I’m pi*sed of with them.
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16/12/2020 14:55:27 3 1
bbc
Tories no longer get to use the slogan 'Labour spending your money'
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16/12/2020 15:02:56 4 2
bbc
Funny how the Tories are "good" at bookeeping when it suits them, but cos all their friends have dipped into this little pot of taxpayers money, suddenly they cannot account for it...... unnerving in the extreme
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16/12/2020 15:16:14 0 0
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This was rushed because it had to be, if not all those real business that have these loans would have gone bust which would have cost a lot more than 26 billion. This is what media/business asked for at the time now you complain when you were given what you wanted
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16/12/2020 15:16:58 3 3
bbc
I thought labour kept saying the government help to business did not go far enough, now the chair of the PAC, who seems to be a labour MP, is complaining that the government gave too much money to businesses.

I feel sorry for our current government, they really are in a no win situation. Labour and their supporters will complain no matter what the government do.
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17/12/2020 13:22:22 0 0
bbc
It's what oppositions do. As unprincipled as those in power, but less accountable. When are the opposition ever taken to task for their dishonesty!
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16/12/2020 12:43:45 11 5
bbc
Another World Beating Fiasco from our Clown PM.
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16/12/2020 15:18:25 0 2
bbc
Yet another rabid labour supporters comment here.
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16/12/2020 11:36:30 5 6
bbc
Dishing out money for no good reason is basic incompetence from our government.
Only 5 Covid deaths in the whole of London (populist 9 million) on Saturday, but they have locked us down again.
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16/12/2020 15:24:18 0 0
bbc
You do realise that today’s death and from infections 3 to 6 weeks ago ?

It’s not about the current death rate, it’s about what it’s likely to be in a few weeks, London R rate is running out of control if it does not come down a huge increase in hospitalisation and death will follow.
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16/12/2020 15:46:03 2 3
bbc
Hadn't realised that Labour has been in power for the last decade so now totally understand why the Tories/Brexit supporters are blaming them for all the countries current woe's. Sarcasm aside, remember when the Tories blamed the Labour party for the "World" financial meltdown in 2008 (US sub prime), also hadn't realised they were in charge of the whole worlds banking practises.
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16/12/2020 15:48:07 4 0
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Just typical of the people give them a chance to cheat and they will. This is great just add it to the fraud of benefit cheats, what's new. Give people something for nothing and they will take it, meanwhile the hard working Tax payer has to fund it. I know of people who got thousands from this and boast about how easy it was. If you try to tell authorities about these people they dont want to know
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17/12/2020 13:19:35 0 0
bbc
If only someone had the wit to get them to supply evidence of actual loss. Still maybe they can do it retrospectively or is that deemed unfair to fraudsters or just too embarrassing to do so.
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16/12/2020 15:49:25 2 3
bbc
Plan, What Plan. A Government voted in by 45% of the population based on a 3 word slogan "Get Brexit Done". What do people expect from this bunch of liars?
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16/12/2020 16:06:45 0 1
bbc
The Brexit bonus will cover the bill for this.

The government need to start directing the Brexit bonus to cover this loss.
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16/12/2020 19:07:06 1 0
bbc
Their is NO Brexit bonus! They made that bit (and all the rest of the Brexit BS) up! As it happens, this has nothing to do with Brexit but it indicates an attitude of mind. Spend money which you haven't got on something that does little good and blame something or someone else when reality bites.
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16/12/2020 16:29:46 0 0
bbc
And this surprises anybody how exactly?

And they tried to say about £3Billion.

If admitting to £27,000,000,000 you just know its north of £30,000,000,000
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16/12/2020 17:57:34 1 0
bbc
Hopefully the new laws about recovering debts from companies that get 'Phoenixed' (i.e. liquidated and then restarted under a new name by the same directors) will limit this to some degree.
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16/12/2020 18:09:14 1 1
bbc
Sunak the successful businessman on the back of his wife's father.
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16/12/2020 18:13:54 1 0
bbc
Why buy a scratch card, Fill in a government form and win every time.
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16/12/2020 18:43:53 1 0
bbc
Come 1st Jan with no deal, the dosh will come rolling in faster than HM Gov can count it.
That's what Gove said yesterday and he doesn't mislead or lie.
Come on 1st Jan, and let's start rolling in those Brexit greenbacks.
The leavers said we'd be in clover come January, our own money and billions saved every month to spend on what we want.
I do hope Mr Farage and Mr Cummings weren't exaggerating.
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16/12/2020 19:04:10 0 0
bbc
"I do hope Mr Farage and Mr Cummings weren't exaggerating." They weren't exaggerating at all. It's going to be disaster because they said it would be wonderful. You just take the opposite of what they say.
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16/12/2020 18:43:53 1 0
bbc
Come 1st Jan with no deal, the dosh will come rolling in faster than HM Gov can count it.
That's what Gove said yesterday and he doesn't mislead or lie.
Come on 1st Jan, and let's start rolling in those Brexit greenbacks.
The leavers said we'd be in clover come January, our own money and billions saved every month to spend on what we want.
I do hope Mr Farage and Mr Cummings weren't exaggerating.
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16/12/2020 19:04:10 0 0
bbc
"I do hope Mr Farage and Mr Cummings weren't exaggerating." They weren't exaggerating at all. It's going to be disaster because they said it would be wonderful. You just take the opposite of what they say.
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16/12/2020 16:06:45 0 1
bbc
The Brexit bonus will cover the bill for this.

The government need to start directing the Brexit bonus to cover this loss.
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16/12/2020 19:07:06 1 0
bbc
Their is NO Brexit bonus! They made that bit (and all the rest of the Brexit BS) up! As it happens, this has nothing to do with Brexit but it indicates an attitude of mind. Spend money which you haven't got on something that does little good and blame something or someone else when reality bites.
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16/12/2020 14:27:06 2 1
bbc
Since no loans have yet fallen due for repayment, why is there as yet any problem at all?
And, if there are later problems re repayment due to fraud, surely that's the fraudsters' fault and nobody else's?
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16/12/2020 19:10:01 0 0
bbc
No, if I come along saying lend me some money, wouldn't you do the odd check to see if you thought I could pay it back? The Government didn't but not only that, they TOLD businesses not to check!
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16/12/2020 20:06:24 1 0
bbc
Why is it many welfare fraudsters seem to have looted 6 figures before actually caught and sometimes given a derisory sentence? Given the high level of white collar crime ,fraud and sheer naked greed in this country - Did anyone seriously doubt a massive abuse of taxpayers money would be a hall mark of this crisis .
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16/12/2020 12:45:10 19 5
bbc
I’ve just paid my corporation tax today. I used to feel I was making a small, but useful contribution to help the smooth running of the country. Today I felt I was throwing my money down the drain to be squandered by an incompetent Government run by a bunch of nincompoops.
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16/12/2020 20:28:14 2 0
bbc
The climate of any organisation comes from the top. Johnson's just not bothered is he? Money's never been an issue in his life so it has no value. And certainly when it's not his.

You can't expect responsibility from people who lead consequence-free lives.
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16/12/2020 21:22:39 1 0
bbc
Crack down on fraud? Britain invented fraud, so should be good at it.
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16/12/2020 15:48:07 4 0
bbc
Just typical of the people give them a chance to cheat and they will. This is great just add it to the fraud of benefit cheats, what's new. Give people something for nothing and they will take it, meanwhile the hard working Tax payer has to fund it. I know of people who got thousands from this and boast about how easy it was. If you try to tell authorities about these people they dont want to know
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17/12/2020 13:19:35 0 0
bbc
If only someone had the wit to get them to supply evidence of actual loss. Still maybe they can do it retrospectively or is that deemed unfair to fraudsters or just too embarrassing to do so.
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16/12/2020 15:16:58 3 3
bbc
I thought labour kept saying the government help to business did not go far enough, now the chair of the PAC, who seems to be a labour MP, is complaining that the government gave too much money to businesses.

I feel sorry for our current government, they really are in a no win situation. Labour and their supporters will complain no matter what the government do.
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17/12/2020 13:22:22 0 0
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It's what oppositions do. As unprincipled as those in power, but less accountable. When are the opposition ever taken to task for their dishonesty!
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17/12/2020 13:32:00 0 0
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Of course if government took less off us all in taxes, they could legitimately argue it's our responsibility make provisions for a "rainy day", live within our means, etc. but no they want the rush of being able to dole the money out to their own supporters so here we are (again).