Housing: Formula for locating new homes revised after Tory backlash
16/12/2020 | news | politics | 447
Urban developments in the Midlands and north of England will now be prioritised in government U-turn.
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16/12/2020 10:37:19 7 10
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Looks like the Red Wall Tory MP's starting to make a difference here for their constituents, about time.
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Rob
16/12/2020 10:40:59 6 4
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To be fair, our new Tory MP has done far more for our local area in 1 year than his labour predecessor did in the last 4 decades!
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16/12/2020 10:42:20 6 1
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Wrong. It's the NIMBYs in the Tory heartlands of South east England that have forced this to keep house prices high for their pension funds.
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16/12/2020 10:38:06 48 12
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Sling em up..............make a profit..............move on.
The motto of Tory donors
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Pip
16/12/2020 11:24:39 17 1
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Absolutely right, tomorrows slums built today.............?
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16/12/2020 10:39:24 14 4
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Hope Jenrick has had some funding to help with any decision.....
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16/12/2020 10:39:55 40 9
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Families need homes, it's not complicated.

Solution?

Either build more homes or manage population growth, it's not complicated.
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16/12/2020 10:48:08 15 16
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OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.
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16/12/2020 11:11:03 15 4
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It's very simple: adopt a one-child-per-couple rule. For around 100 years.
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Pip
16/12/2020 11:11:48 5 3
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I agree we need seriously to look at pop growth, however I don't share your 'not complicated' view. I think that will be extremely complicated............?
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16/12/2020 10:39:55 34 17
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So the plan is to pave over the north and call it levelling up.

That way, home counties' Tories can continue to enjoy the countryside.
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16/12/2020 10:41:47 23 6
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Perhaps read the article re urban and brownfield priority.
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jon
16/12/2020 10:40:09 9 3
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Get on with levelling-up.
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16/12/2020 10:41:44 22 7
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It's not real, you do know that don't you. Just another piece of empty rhetoric from these chancers.
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16/12/2020 10:40:28 7 1
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oh my god, you can turn to carbon neutral and then concrete everything!!

I live north of Newcastle in Norhumberland and there are loads of houses up for sale (old and new)..
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16/12/2020 10:56:28 1 1
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So the person that did a down vote, where do you live?

You can't down vote if you live elsewhere!
If you live where I do then open your eyes!!
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Bob
16/12/2020 10:40:53 97 22
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So basically Tory MPs moaned about building taking place in their own back yards so now they'll build in Labour MPs back yards instead.
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16/12/2020 10:56:17 12 11
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So is that a bad thing? If more people live in Labour areas won't that mean more votes. The true blue areas of the country are no longer that, ie, Buckinghamshire has HS-2 mayhem therefore it will no longer be Tory at the next election. Same with Middlesex and the third r/w. Maybe they don't want to win next time.
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16/12/2020 11:11:19 4 6
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Complete garbage.

Do you think there was no housing problem during the previous Labour governments as well?
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16/12/2020 13:52:32 2 0
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9000k high density hell hole is being built on outskirts of Colchester. The site is terrible with no train station. But it’s just about the only labour area in Tory Essex and the land is owned by a hereditary landowner with generations all going to Eton.Jenkins rubber stamped it.

It’s such a mess and so blatant. If anywhere up north wants these houses you are bloody welcome to them.
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16/12/2020 10:37:19 7 10
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Looks like the Red Wall Tory MP's starting to make a difference here for their constituents, about time.
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Rob
16/12/2020 10:40:59 6 4
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To be fair, our new Tory MP has done far more for our local area in 1 year than his labour predecessor did in the last 4 decades!
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16/12/2020 10:41:00 29 1
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The problem with this bill isn't the housebuilding targets, it's the changes to the use class order which are yet another free gift to dodgy developers and the hospitality industry will do untold damage to town centres and business areas across the country.
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16/12/2020 12:56:56 12 0
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We used to have one of the Highest Standards for the Building Regs in Europe after serial disasters like Ronan Point due to dodgy building and planning regs.
One of the first things Thatcher did when she came to power was to take those Building Regs and drag them down to the lowest in Europe...leaving us with Grenfell and other sites still with Flammable Cladding. Her Party did Well out of it tho
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16/12/2020 10:41:03 13 11
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Just Tories looking after their own. Again
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16/12/2020 11:10:05 1 1
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So there has been no housing problem under previous Labour governments?
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16/12/2020 10:41:16 9 6
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Jenrick won’t be happy, he will have to return the gifts now
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jon
16/12/2020 10:40:09 9 3
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Get on with levelling-up.
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16/12/2020 10:41:44 22 7
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It's not real, you do know that don't you. Just another piece of empty rhetoric from these chancers.
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16/12/2020 10:39:55 34 17
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So the plan is to pave over the north and call it levelling up.

That way, home counties' Tories can continue to enjoy the countryside.
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16/12/2020 10:41:47 23 6
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Perhaps read the article re urban and brownfield priority.
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Bob
16/12/2020 10:46:04 2 0
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The issue with brownfield is that too many sites are not suitable, or too small.

You can repurpose an office block if you like - but that's not going to provide you a useful housing mix. More tiny flats? Joy to the world.
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16/12/2020 10:56:16 3 0
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If they can't build on brownfield they definitely can't build on greenfield. Go figure.
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16/12/2020 10:41:57 67 19
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We need fewer people, not more houses.
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16/12/2020 10:43:55 42 16
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I don't think genocide is the answer
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16/12/2020 10:47:44 19 5
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That may be but it is not a Tory policy. Over the past decade they have opened the floodgates to non EU nationals but present it as an EU problem.
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16/12/2020 10:49:57 12 4
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Are you volunteering, Red Neck?
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16/12/2020 10:52:23 4 0
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We have covid for that.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:53:20 4 0
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johnson's working on it.
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16/12/2020 12:03:41 3 2
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Stop voting Tory then. We have had record-breaking immigration for the past 10 years under their regime.
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16/12/2020 16:34:55 0 0
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ok we'll execute all the over 40's, seems fair doesn't it
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16/12/2020 10:37:19 7 10
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Looks like the Red Wall Tory MP's starting to make a difference here for their constituents, about time.
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16/12/2020 10:42:20 6 1
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Wrong. It's the NIMBYs in the Tory heartlands of South east England that have forced this to keep house prices high for their pension funds.
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16/12/2020 11:02:39 0 0
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Whatever, still works out better for the North and that's welcomed.
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Bob
16/12/2020 10:42:26 25 7
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Houses are needed where people grow up, live and work. Not where someone is going to show the least discontent at those houses being built.
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16/12/2020 10:46:11 5 9
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Are you so easily fooled?
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16/12/2020 11:31:33 4 0
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I'm not sure where people grow up, live and work are the sample place, which is your point i guess. The only way to do that is invest in places other than the south so that people don't move there and stay where they were born or move to where they desire and not be forced to move down south .
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16/12/2020 10:42:50 47 18
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Absolutely zero surprise that the tories look after the dingly dells and trample the north , did anyone really expect anything else
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16/12/2020 11:08:41 8 19
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Yawn.
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16/12/2020 11:26:51 6 0
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Plenty of Tory dingly dells in the North – known as AONB’s. Too late for the south east – already concreted over. So Govt now prioritising BROWNFIELD sites ... many, scattered all across north, midlands and south, would benefit aesthetically by becoming housing. What’s needed is legislation to force landowners to hand it over for redevelopment, instead of hanging onto it as an investment.
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16/12/2020 10:42:56 27 3
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Sort out population growth or build more housing.
You can't have it both ways.
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16/12/2020 10:48:20 6 8
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How ?
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16/12/2020 10:43:02 145 9
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According to multiple sources there are over 200,000 empty properties in the UK. If efforts are made to get as many of these occupied as possible we will go a long way to solving a housing shortage before resorting to building more.
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16/12/2020 10:48:41 62 12
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How about a law that says that properties must not be left vacant for more than a certain amount of time? Not usually a fan of laws for things if they can be avoided but it feels like this problem won't solve itself.
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16/12/2020 10:49:38 15 7
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We need 300,000 new homes each year. Renovating 200,000 homes that may be empty for good reason really isn't touching the sides.
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16/12/2020 10:54:43 7 30
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Many of these houses are in undesirable areas, like the North.
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16/12/2020 11:23:15 15 1
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Overseas wealthy investors buy blocks of flats in London and leave them empty, so they can sell them when the value has gone up. Can't think why we have a housing shortage.
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16/12/2020 11:27:03 11 0
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Does this include all the properties bought up by oligarchs and other foreign 'investors'?
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Bob
16/12/2020 11:30:09 8 1
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1. Empty dwelling does not guarantee a habitable dwelling.
2. If the need is 300,000 per year then 200,000 does not solve the shortage.
3. Where are they? If empty dwellings are miles from where people live and work - fat load of good that is.
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16/12/2020 12:04:23 1 0
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Sorry - that's only about 1% of the total and you're always going to have some market friction from people moving, renovations and so on. It's an even lower percentage in the SouthEast where the excess demand is. Nice idea but not a major solution.
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16/12/2020 12:03:48 3 1
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Lots of empty churches and high street shops. No need to build.
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17/12/2020 02:35:06 1 0
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While the UK population rises by 500k+ per year, reclaiming 200k houses is almost nothing. If you don't want to see the UK built up like Japan then the population rise needs to be brought down.

HINT:- 52% of the population rise is from immigration.
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17/12/2020 10:36:34 0 0
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Maybe stop taxing landlords on a loss & treating them like villains & more might be willing to let properties rather than keep them empty for the capital growth.....
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16/12/2020 10:43:37 71 7
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You say "The government wants to build 300,000 new homes across England each year by the mid-2020s." but that's completely untrue. The government doesn't want to build any homes at all. It wants property developers to build homes at a profit. Come on, get the basic facts right.
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16/12/2020 11:08:21 11 38
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When people like you talk about 'facts', what you are really communicating is your own personal opinion supported by no facts whatsoever.
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16/12/2020 10:41:57 67 19
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We need fewer people, not more houses.
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16/12/2020 10:43:55 42 16
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I don't think genocide is the answer
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16/12/2020 10:53:48 5 5
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Nice engagement of reductio ad absurdum there.
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16/12/2020 11:36:24 7 4
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This kind of answer is so unhelpful. Nobody is suggesting that but you just close down any chance of discussion about preventing population swell. We already do so much damage to the planet, if we keep going there will be consequences out of our control and far more unpleasant than anything you could imagine; crop failure and disease for starters.
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16/12/2020 12:01:34 0 0
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Thought that was what the vaccine was for ;)
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Alf
17/12/2020 08:47:55 0 0
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Stopping mass immigration could be a nice compromise.
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16/12/2020 10:45:19 4 4
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The government now show that they clearly have no intention of building the houses that are needed. They are more concerned about keeping house prices high for their buy to let portfolios.
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16/12/2020 11:06:30 1 1
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Yawn. Another anti-Conservative conspiracy theorist.
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16/12/2020 10:45:39 91 4
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About time the unnecessary desire to build on green fields is controlled.

Knock down and rebuild city areas. Solves transport issues and ultimately better for the environment
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16/12/2020 11:19:27 38 12
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This is called "levelling up".

Verdant Tory constituencies in the prosperous south don't want housing estates which may attract the wrong sort of people!
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16/12/2020 11:20:18 0 0
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Most new housing is in built up areas, particularly those with nearby rail stations.
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Bob
16/12/2020 11:24:54 6 0
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You are being misled.

This does little to protect green field. All it does it provide, what appears to be low, incentives for brownfield development.

It won't make it more profitable. It also will provide flats, flats and more flats. People want houses with space and gardens, not cell blocks.
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16/12/2020 12:05:42 8 0
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And stop building on flood plains.
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16/12/2020 12:37:02 0 0
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In Southampton they knocked down housing and local facilities in order to build large bright shiny shopping malls. The original high street is now a ghost town of boarded up shops. The shopping malls are now struggling. Probably a bad long term economic and social planning decision. Probably a good financial short term financial win for some.
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16/12/2020 10:45:48 107 27
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The problem is not too few houses, it's that too many people own more than one of them!
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16/12/2020 11:05:44 27 9
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Do you know what actual proportion of the population of the UK own more than one property?
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16/12/2020 11:18:36 16 17
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The problem is for decades mass migration into a country that doesn't have enough homes for the existing population to comfortably live...
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DAI
16/12/2020 11:21:01 10 0
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What proportion own two houses and keep one empty. I own 2 houses, but rent one of them to a family. I don't live in two houses.
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16/12/2020 11:31:34 1 4
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Doesn't make any difference who owns the houses, unless owners are keeping them empty for their own use, or for investment. cholmes2 thinks that isn't a problem!
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16/12/2020 11:55:58 2 0
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I think you need to differentiate between 2nd houses and landlords. Landlords own multiple homes but they are occupied and therefore do not negatively impact the overall supply:demand balance.
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16/12/2020 12:08:15 0 0
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Doesn't matter as long as they're occupied. Politics of envy!
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Alf
17/12/2020 08:46:57 0 0
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You mean too much immigration.
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16/12/2020 10:41:47 23 6
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Perhaps read the article re urban and brownfield priority.
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Bob
16/12/2020 10:46:04 2 0
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The issue with brownfield is that too many sites are not suitable, or too small.

You can repurpose an office block if you like - but that's not going to provide you a useful housing mix. More tiny flats? Joy to the world.
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16/12/2020 10:46:11 12 6
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Sick of hearing the words 'u turn'.

Nothing stays the same and as circumstances change policies should change - and they do. Very poor journalism to label it as a u turn every time.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:48:33 5 4
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They get found out you mean.
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16/12/2020 10:51:24 2 2
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Particularly in response to a campaign to get the policy changed.

"Bojo is dreadful, he won't extend free meals for poorer children"

Bojo changes his stance ...

"Bojo is dreadful, he did a u-turn on free meals for poorer children."
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Bob
16/12/2020 10:42:26 25 7
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Houses are needed where people grow up, live and work. Not where someone is going to show the least discontent at those houses being built.
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16/12/2020 10:46:11 5 9
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Are you so easily fooled?
That you are not a cretin? No. Not at all. Removed
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16/12/2020 10:46:32 5 4
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I think the government is relying on Covid to solve its housing crisis. Ostensibly it is trying to protect the elderly, but the 'meet at Christmas' message shows its true intentions. 50,000 OAPs dead and another 50,000 if 'meet at Christmas' is followed by the unwary.
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evz
16/12/2020 10:50:51 0 2
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Don't forget Brexit. Many ppl hoping all Europeans will leave.
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16/12/2020 10:52:26 0 0
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Some would say that as the human race headcount explodes this is nature's way of controlling such exponential growth?
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16/12/2020 11:04:12 0 1
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So are you saying that the government is engaged in some kind of deliberate population culling? The is a dangerous and frankly insane suggestion.
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16/12/2020 10:47:13 5 5
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The house building industry is a Tory Party racket designed to enable the housing cartel to make fabulous profits at the expense of naïve buyers...and raise Conservative Party donations. 'Predict and Provide' models of housing demand are fundamentally flawed...and serve only the interests of Tories and developers.
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16/12/2020 11:02:37 2 1
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The house building industry is concerned only with profits, not with social good. They do not want to build affordable houses, or use ex-industrial land. Big firms only want to construct executive style houses on greenfield sites., and they game the planning system.

This has been the case for many years, under both Labour and Conservatives. Simply ranting about the current government is no use.
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16/12/2020 10:47:26 4 2
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Sounds like a formula to keep the faceless masses warehoused in inadequate converted offices rather than providing homes, heaven forbid, at the end of my garden.
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16/12/2020 10:47:32 133 7
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Where I live in the SE (outside London and M25) they are are building houses almost everywhere. Towns are now starting to merge into each other. No new hospitals, reservoirs etc being built to mange the new influx of people. Crazy! UK population is getting out of control!
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eL
16/12/2020 10:50:15 7 14
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That's because they are just clever breeders.
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16/12/2020 10:53:05 16 1
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I quite agree. In Hertfordshire they have just approved the building of hundreds of home in 'Foster Country' green belt land between Stevenage, Hitchin and surrounding villages. No improvement to public transport and the complete ruin of beautiful countryside. Sad
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16/12/2020 10:56:20 6 0
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Add the south Midlands to that as well!
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16/12/2020 11:08:37 11 0
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Add Cheshire East to that too. The council failed to have a development plan agreed in time, which meant it was open season for developers to build on the outskirts of lots of villages. As usual, no corresponding increase in doctors, schools, hospitals, parking, roads etc etc.
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16/12/2020 11:18:30 13 0
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Not happening up here in the North. Then again, we do have ancient infrastructure and minimal investment up here. I gather we are supposed to move down south to get good jobs and prop up the housing market down there.
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MVP
16/12/2020 11:45:00 3 4
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Most of the water supply in the South East comes out of the ground, not reservoirs. That is why it tastes so bad.
No need for more reservoirs. Just need to dig deeper.
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16/12/2020 11:46:08 7 1
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That's why having been brought up in SE now live English Scottish borders where quality of life is infinitely superiour to that I experienced in the SE.

The SE and Scumdon being places to avoid at all costs...!
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16/12/2020 11:52:39 9 1
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I lived abroad for 15 years and when I came back (to the SE) it was shocking - the roads were almost identical to when I'd left (i.e. no new capacity), but the increased population was huge! As were the traffic queues.
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16/12/2020 12:18:09 5 0
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Agreed. Housebuilding without proper local control and provision of all the services required merely enriches property developers.
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16/12/2020 13:10:36 1 0
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The population is not getting out of control.

The government & councils - OUR leaders - just haven't kept up building the infrastructure needed for the increased population.

The lack of schools, hospitals, GP's, reservoirs etc is a direct result of our lack of planning. It isn't the people - it is our inept leaders.
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Kaa
16/12/2020 13:55:03 0 0
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Take heart with knowing that they are also building here in Hull - its just that absolutely nobody wants to live here because there are no jobs above minimum wage and there are murders every other day
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16/12/2020 10:47:43 9 1
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It's not just a Tory backlash.

Greens and LibDems are backlashing as well.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:49:16 1 3
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So they should ! But the tory dogfight yaps on.
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16/12/2020 10:41:57 67 19
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We need fewer people, not more houses.
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16/12/2020 10:47:44 19 5
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That may be but it is not a Tory policy. Over the past decade they have opened the floodgates to non EU nationals but present it as an EU problem.
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16/12/2020 11:39:46 3 6
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God, the lack of education is rife. Maybe if Britain didn't want to open the floodgates to non eu nationals , it should have thought before colonising large swathes of the non eu world.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:48:02 2 2
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After U, no after U . . .

chancers - and this is just the stuff they release.
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16/12/2020 10:48:07 3 0
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So no doubt the policy of some London councils of not building much social housing in the actual boroughs will continue, and they will ship out those needing it to other places.
While at the same time selling off the better council housing they do have at a discount.
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evz
16/12/2020 10:48:25 4 1
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Build houses where they are needed, yes. But build good quality houses! Upgrade the requirements. These large developers build poor quality & make a fortune. Give more rights & land to individuals to build!
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16/12/2020 10:50:25 9 0
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And of an adequate size. It is a joke to see some new housing and they furnish the show house with special small furniture
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16/12/2020 10:46:11 12 6
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Sick of hearing the words 'u turn'.

Nothing stays the same and as circumstances change policies should change - and they do. Very poor journalism to label it as a u turn every time.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:48:33 5 4
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They get found out you mean.
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16/12/2020 10:43:02 145 9
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According to multiple sources there are over 200,000 empty properties in the UK. If efforts are made to get as many of these occupied as possible we will go a long way to solving a housing shortage before resorting to building more.
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16/12/2020 10:48:41 62 12
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How about a law that says that properties must not be left vacant for more than a certain amount of time? Not usually a fan of laws for things if they can be avoided but it feels like this problem won't solve itself.
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16/12/2020 11:19:35 6 3
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Bear in mind that many of these homes would not meet 'decent homes' standards and it will often be more economical to demolish, rather than upgrade.
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16/12/2020 15:04:17 0 0
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Taxation (or a charge on the vacant property) should have a beneficial effect on prices. At the moment doing nothing with the property seems to increase the wealth of its owner.
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17/12/2020 08:45:16 0 0
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Impossible to police and enforce. Who do you think should be responsible for this? Local Council? What resources do you think they have for that?
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16/12/2020 10:48:59 78 1
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When my house was originally sold in the 1950's it came with fruit trees as an important selling feature. You are lucky to get 4sqft of grass these days. Which is ironic as all the estates being built around my area are destroying arable grassland. Urbanising the countryside so commuters don't feel so out of place when they move from the cities. Brownfield costs more for devs so they don't bother
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16/12/2020 10:47:43 9 1
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It's not just a Tory backlash.

Greens and LibDems are backlashing as well.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:49:16 1 3
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So they should ! But the tory dogfight yaps on.
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16/12/2020 10:39:55 40 9
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Families need homes, it's not complicated.

Solution?

Either build more homes or manage population growth, it's not complicated.
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16/12/2020 10:48:08 15 16
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OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.
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eL
16/12/2020 10:54:34 3 3
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Estrogen.
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16/12/2020 10:55:46 4 2
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First, would you be kind enough to explain,

"... in a way that doesn't involve the loss of lives"?
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Ian
16/12/2020 11:12:18 19 6
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Firstly I would stop all the objections to deportation of criminals at the end of their sentence.

Secondly, insist that asylum seekers follow the international rules and apply for sanctuary in the first democratic country they arrive in.

Thirdly, fill job vacancies with UK citizens. Fit to work means exactly that so remove benefits if they refuse to work.
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Pip
16/12/2020 11:13:27 13 3
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I think reducing the birthrate is probably a reasonable starting place........?
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16/12/2020 11:16:40 7 1
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Birth rate in the U.K. is already below replacement value, so population growth is coming from outside.
Whether that is desirable or not was the basis for Brexit.
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ljs
16/12/2020 11:16:44 11 5
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Scrap child benefit, would be a good start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16/12/2020 11:18:56 6 1
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Restrict immigration.
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16/12/2020 11:28:43 3 1
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Cut child benefits.
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16/12/2020 11:38:02 2 0
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Well I wouldn't ask Boris, the only thing he's managed is increasing the population.
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16/12/2020 10:42:56 27 3
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Sort out population growth or build more housing.
You can't have it both ways.
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16/12/2020 10:48:20 6 8
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How ?
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16/12/2020 11:22:13 6 2
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Don't allow people to have more than 2 children. There will always be a number of people, for a myriad of reasons, who don't have children so that will bring the growth levels right down within a generation.
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16/12/2020 12:05:55 1 0
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Logan's Run.
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16/12/2020 10:49:30 8 0
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One would have thought that planners need to take into account that maybe the population should be spread out a bit more evenly since the pandemic instead of being squashed into one corner of England.
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16/12/2020 10:49:34 9 6
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Don't want to spoil the bucolic views of the Tory heartlands, eh?
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16/12/2020 10:57:54 2 1
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eh ? Do I detect a generalisation?
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16/12/2020 10:43:02 145 9
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According to multiple sources there are over 200,000 empty properties in the UK. If efforts are made to get as many of these occupied as possible we will go a long way to solving a housing shortage before resorting to building more.
46
16/12/2020 10:49:38 15 7
bbc
We need 300,000 new homes each year. Renovating 200,000 homes that may be empty for good reason really isn't touching the sides.
199
16/12/2020 11:32:17 6 4
bbc
Eh? we need 300,000 - 200,000 are available - that meets 2/3 of what is required. It's a damn good start - and makes the glass more than half full.
15
16/12/2020 10:41:57 67 19
bbc
We need fewer people, not more houses.
47
16/12/2020 10:49:57 12 4
bbc
Are you volunteering, Red Neck?
402
16/12/2020 16:36:08 0 0
bbc
we will have a Logan's run carnival every 6 months :)
32
16/12/2020 10:47:32 133 7
bbc
Where I live in the SE (outside London and M25) they are are building houses almost everywhere. Towns are now starting to merge into each other. No new hospitals, reservoirs etc being built to mange the new influx of people. Crazy! UK population is getting out of control!
48
eL
16/12/2020 10:50:15 7 14
bbc
That's because they are just clever breeders.
423
16/12/2020 22:04:10 0 0
bbc
Like Jacob Rees-Mogg. Too many Tories. It's obvious, look how many are in Wetsminster.
49
16/12/2020 10:50:15 4 6
bbc
Galloping Nimbyism by the Tory shires AGAIN, The fact is the housing NEED is greatest in the SE where people WANT TO LIVE. But already in this part of the north we have seen THOUSANDS of new houses being built that are often unneeded and unwanted and serve only to drive DOWN house prices in this region.
134
16/12/2020 11:15:04 0 0
bbc
We do have a sufficiency of working people but not in the right place. There are cheaper houses in the southwest, north east & west, Lincs, etc, so locate new business there. Too many people involved in service industries for the capital only increases prices on small properties, one drives the other. Time to move away from London now that we have the technology to communicate so easily.
37
evz
16/12/2020 10:48:25 4 1
bbc
Build houses where they are needed, yes. But build good quality houses! Upgrade the requirements. These large developers build poor quality & make a fortune. Give more rights & land to individuals to build!
50
16/12/2020 10:50:25 9 0
bbc
And of an adequate size. It is a joke to see some new housing and they furnish the show house with special small furniture
51
16/12/2020 10:50:26 69 3
bbc
Concentrate on developing brownfield sites first. Tackle an explosion in population growth and DO NO develop flood plains - they're there for a good reason! The EA have lost count of the number of times they have appealed a development - only to have that appeal rejected and a wealthy developer wins again!
52
16/12/2020 10:50:39 31 0
bbc
Same problem all over the world. Big business wants to be in the capital, therefore all the ancillary staff have to be there to service it, thus there is a demand for property and housing. Resulting in excessive urban sprawl.
People used to live near 'court' because it was deemed important, that is not the case anymore, decentralise ALL govt' departments and stop vanity projects in London
29
16/12/2020 10:46:32 5 4
bbc
I think the government is relying on Covid to solve its housing crisis. Ostensibly it is trying to protect the elderly, but the 'meet at Christmas' message shows its true intentions. 50,000 OAPs dead and another 50,000 if 'meet at Christmas' is followed by the unwary.
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evz
16/12/2020 10:50:51 0 2
bbc
Don't forget Brexit. Many ppl hoping all Europeans will leave.
54
16/12/2020 10:50:09 7 6
bbc
Of course, it's all semantics - While the Government allows uncontrolled and unplanned immigration to the UK, supply can never meet demand!
81
16/12/2020 10:54:05 1 2
bbc
But I thought your beloved far right govt were stopping immigration ?

Surely they didn't lie to you ?
27
16/12/2020 10:46:11 12 6
bbc
Sick of hearing the words 'u turn'.

Nothing stays the same and as circumstances change policies should change - and they do. Very poor journalism to label it as a u turn every time.
55
16/12/2020 10:51:24 2 2
bbc
Particularly in response to a campaign to get the policy changed.

"Bojo is dreadful, he won't extend free meals for poorer children"

Bojo changes his stance ...

"Bojo is dreadful, he did a u-turn on free meals for poorer children."
56
16/12/2020 10:51:25 8 4
bbc
A Con U-turn?

Surely not!!!

My God these clowns are a bunch of incompetent fools.
69
16/12/2020 10:54:39 3 0
bbc
Agreed but they're only in power due to a glaring lack of a viable alternative!!!
57
DSA
16/12/2020 10:51:33 24 5
bbc
It's not more and more houses we need, it is less people.

The problem will continue to grow year after year unless something is done about it.
82
16/12/2020 10:57:14 4 6
bbc
Is that why the far right want no mask and an open economy?
87
16/12/2020 10:57:52 0 0
bbc
Are you volunteering then, DSA?

'Reducing population' is an excuse often used to avoid actually doing anything about problems. That's not to mention that population is expected to collapse, not increase: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521.
106
16/12/2020 11:04:24 6 0
bbc
The UK birthrate is (and has been for some time) below replacement value. It is only importing of more people (as a sort of pyramid scheme) that continues to drive the population upwards.
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mm
16/12/2020 11:09:23 0 0
bbc
More viruses?
58
eL
16/12/2020 10:51:41 2 2
bbc
The con dogfight yaps on . . .
59
16/12/2020 10:52:11 41 3
bbc
very pleased that the surrender of the countryside and precious natural habitat and green spaces to this algorthym is being over tunred. There is a cae for building whre current infrastructure exists like in urban areas. There's a lack of AFFORDABLE housing crisis because of greedy developers who make more profit from 400k + homes that the real average wage can't afford.
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mm
16/12/2020 11:08:36 21 3
bbc
Affordable maybe but what we really need are good quality RENTABLE homes. We have little mobility of employment in the UK because it can take well over 6 months to sell a house, in a chain stretching from Cornwall to Newcastle. I wonder why Germany manages better?
15
16/12/2020 10:41:57 67 19
bbc
We need fewer people, not more houses.
60
16/12/2020 10:52:23 4 0
bbc
We have covid for that.
29
16/12/2020 10:46:32 5 4
bbc
I think the government is relying on Covid to solve its housing crisis. Ostensibly it is trying to protect the elderly, but the 'meet at Christmas' message shows its true intentions. 50,000 OAPs dead and another 50,000 if 'meet at Christmas' is followed by the unwary.
61
16/12/2020 10:52:26 0 0
bbc
Some would say that as the human race headcount explodes this is nature's way of controlling such exponential growth?
62
16/12/2020 10:52:33 11 2
bbc
The Councils in this area have massively surpassed the quotas from the government to build new houses many of which remain unsold or their value is FALLING. NOW the local authorities are simply Council tax farming, building houses to attract higher levels of council tax revenue, NOT houses of a type NEEDED.
32
16/12/2020 10:47:32 133 7
bbc
Where I live in the SE (outside London and M25) they are are building houses almost everywhere. Towns are now starting to merge into each other. No new hospitals, reservoirs etc being built to mange the new influx of people. Crazy! UK population is getting out of control!
63
16/12/2020 10:53:05 16 1
bbc
I quite agree. In Hertfordshire they have just approved the building of hundreds of home in 'Foster Country' green belt land between Stevenage, Hitchin and surrounding villages. No improvement to public transport and the complete ruin of beautiful countryside. Sad
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Pip
16/12/2020 11:20:15 5 1
bbc
Same here around Newton Abbot, and another 1500 planned, no infrastucture improvements, just a lot of hot air chatter.
64
16/12/2020 10:53:07 8 0
bbc
Sadly, we know that progress and modernisation in the way people shop/communicate/socialise probably means that city centre nuclei are a thing of the past. It's a pity then, that planning has not really kept up with these trends. As a retired urban planner, I would have thought more emphasis should be given to creating small urban nuclei in our sprawling cities prior to expanding them?
103
16/12/2020 11:04:11 7 0
bbc
Absolutely right. Regeneration of uneconomic old retail in town centres to provide more housing, especially in overcrowded South has to be an answer
15
16/12/2020 10:41:57 67 19
bbc
We need fewer people, not more houses.
65
eL
16/12/2020 10:53:20 4 0
bbc
johnson's working on it.
22
16/12/2020 10:43:55 42 16
bbc
I don't think genocide is the answer
66
16/12/2020 10:53:48 5 5
bbc
Nice engagement of reductio ad absurdum there.
67
eL
16/12/2020 10:54:17 2 3
bbc
Palatable

OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.'

Estrogen.
90
16/12/2020 10:58:49 0 0
bbc
Errr...follow Beijing's example -a limit on the number of children per family? Errr... start a new conventional war - perhaps against Brussels?
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16/12/2020 11:02:19 1 0
bbc
Disregarding immigration, the UK (like most Western nations) has had a birth rate below replacement levels for years now. The rate in other advanced nations is also falling. Even third-world birth rates are falling due to more women working, eduction and access to birth control.
42
16/12/2020 10:48:08 15 16
bbc
OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.
68
eL
16/12/2020 10:54:34 3 3
bbc
Estrogen.
56
16/12/2020 10:51:25 8 4
bbc
A Con U-turn?

Surely not!!!

My God these clowns are a bunch of incompetent fools.
69
16/12/2020 10:54:39 3 0
bbc
Agreed but they're only in power due to a glaring lack of a viable alternative!!!
80
16/12/2020 10:56:45 1 0
bbc
Yes, and thankfully that's changed now.
20
16/12/2020 10:43:02 145 9
bbc
According to multiple sources there are over 200,000 empty properties in the UK. If efforts are made to get as many of these occupied as possible we will go a long way to solving a housing shortage before resorting to building more.
70
16/12/2020 10:54:43 7 30
bbc
Many of these houses are in undesirable areas, like the North.
108
16/12/2020 11:05:09 11 2
bbc
"Many of these houses are in undesirable areas, like the north"

You don't appear to like 'the north' then.
113
Pip
16/12/2020 11:08:29 13 2
bbc
Pretty silly comment........?
361
Kaa
16/12/2020 13:47:26 0 0
bbc
Many of these houses are in undesirable areas, like Hull.

Corrected that for you.
71
16/12/2020 10:55:03 3 3
bbc
As turkeys don’t generally vote for Christmas, any one deriving income from residential letting should be excluded from leadership roles in housing policy on the grounds of conflict of interest. There are a few around the cabinet table.
72
16/12/2020 10:52:33 11 3
bbc
Pretty much ever historic village and town near me is now surrounded by houses that narrowly pass as rabbit hutches. Totally ruined the areas.

Get Brexit done means control immigration and the need for further house building.
79
Bob
16/12/2020 10:56:34 10 3
bbc
Building hasn't kept pace with population, even if you discount migration.
94
16/12/2020 11:01:38 0 2
bbc
Absolutely nothing to do with immigration.
99
16/12/2020 11:03:00 0 1
bbc
Fantasy! A little England vision.
110
16/12/2020 11:06:02 0 1
bbc
Those rabbit hutches also provide homes for newly independent young people in your historic towns and villages or are you suggesting they should move away and become immigrants somewhere else? International immigration control was always in the power of HMG with or without Brexit.
42
16/12/2020 10:48:08 15 16
bbc
OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.
73
16/12/2020 10:55:46 4 2
bbc
First, would you be kind enough to explain,

"... in a way that doesn't involve the loss of lives"?
157
16/12/2020 11:20:30 8 1
bbc
Nobody is advocating that! Atm benefits encourage people to have children (oddly, especially poorer families). I know many families that have four children and it's too many for most of them to cope with. That level of growth is completely unsustainable; within ONE generation the population of the world would double to 16Billion. Let's act now before one single crop failure kills millions.
14
16/12/2020 10:41:47 23 6
bbc
Perhaps read the article re urban and brownfield priority.
74
16/12/2020 10:56:16 3 0
bbc
If they can't build on brownfield they definitely can't build on greenfield. Go figure.
303
16/12/2020 12:23:05 0 0
bbc
Tower blocks Rule, OK.
8
Bob
16/12/2020 10:40:53 97 22
bbc
So basically Tory MPs moaned about building taking place in their own back yards so now they'll build in Labour MPs back yards instead.
75
16/12/2020 10:56:17 12 11
bbc
So is that a bad thing? If more people live in Labour areas won't that mean more votes. The true blue areas of the country are no longer that, ie, Buckinghamshire has HS-2 mayhem therefore it will no longer be Tory at the next election. Same with Middlesex and the third r/w. Maybe they don't want to win next time.
122
16/12/2020 11:10:25 8 2
bbc
Peter - I only wish I knew you in person because, as a former resident of South Buckinghamshire, I would wager a lot of money on them staying Tory. Most of the folk I knew were so far Right Wing they thought the Lib Dems were Communists! If they are peed off with the Tories, they'll just vote for them but sigh whilst doing so.

Bob is absolutely right by the way!
359
16/12/2020 13:39:08 1 0
bbc
More votes doesn't equal more MP's in our anti-democratic first past the post voting system.
32
16/12/2020 10:47:32 133 7
bbc
Where I live in the SE (outside London and M25) they are are building houses almost everywhere. Towns are now starting to merge into each other. No new hospitals, reservoirs etc being built to mange the new influx of people. Crazy! UK population is getting out of control!
76
16/12/2020 10:56:20 6 0
bbc
Add the south Midlands to that as well!
7
16/12/2020 10:40:28 7 1
bbc
oh my god, you can turn to carbon neutral and then concrete everything!!

I live north of Newcastle in Norhumberland and there are loads of houses up for sale (old and new)..
77
16/12/2020 10:56:28 1 1
bbc
So the person that did a down vote, where do you live?

You can't down vote if you live elsewhere!
If you live where I do then open your eyes!!
78
16/12/2020 10:56:31 0 2
bbc
another u turn? Who would have thought
72
16/12/2020 10:52:33 11 3
bbc
Pretty much ever historic village and town near me is now surrounded by houses that narrowly pass as rabbit hutches. Totally ruined the areas.

Get Brexit done means control immigration and the need for further house building.
79
Bob
16/12/2020 10:56:34 10 3
bbc
Building hasn't kept pace with population, even if you discount migration.
92
16/12/2020 11:00:21 2 0
bbc
easier Divorce has changed things too.
69
16/12/2020 10:54:39 3 0
bbc
Agreed but they're only in power due to a glaring lack of a viable alternative!!!
80
16/12/2020 10:56:45 1 0
bbc
Yes, and thankfully that's changed now.
54
16/12/2020 10:50:09 7 6
bbc
Of course, it's all semantics - While the Government allows uncontrolled and unplanned immigration to the UK, supply can never meet demand!
81
16/12/2020 10:54:05 1 2
bbc
But I thought your beloved far right govt were stopping immigration ?

Surely they didn't lie to you ?
57
DSA
16/12/2020 10:51:33 24 5
bbc
It's not more and more houses we need, it is less people.

The problem will continue to grow year after year unless something is done about it.
82
16/12/2020 10:57:14 4 6
bbc
Is that why the far right want no mask and an open economy?
83
16/12/2020 10:57:20 0 1
bbc
Good, too easy to get taken in by developers and their well funded lobbying and campaign lovelies.
Its always "the Council" (District/County) that is left to resolve infrastructure, traffic management and to prevent development on flood plains etc.

I live in Banbury, Oxfordshire. Don't move here folks, you can buy but you can't get about. I work in Leamington and its the same if not worse there.
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Lee
16/12/2020 10:57:36 2 6
bbc
Yeah we don't want houses for the poor built on our nice areas, becoming an eyesore for our more important tory selves.
Build them up north.
Now be gone, peasant.
85
16/12/2020 10:57:38 1 1
bbc
There is too much dirty money in property markets. They keep pushing prices up for profits. More then 70% income goes towards rent for private rental. making impossible to save deposit. UK need to address money laundering law, tax avoidance very soon. UK should giving protection to international criminals and their money. political asylum to people wanted by their host countries.
86
16/12/2020 10:57:48 13 1
bbc
It's not just homes that are blighting the Green Belt

Three Rivers are 'considering' an application made to build an M25 Service Station on Green Belt land next to a Grade II listed church and Primary School

It's just madness (and for context it's not in my backyard!)!
102
16/12/2020 11:04:06 2 0
bbc
Yes - when I lived in Surrey the Green Belt was protected - when was that protection removed? Another question - why is the word 'Abbreviation' such a long word?
57
DSA
16/12/2020 10:51:33 24 5
bbc
It's not more and more houses we need, it is less people.

The problem will continue to grow year after year unless something is done about it.
87
16/12/2020 10:57:52 0 0
bbc
Are you volunteering then, DSA?

'Reducing population' is an excuse often used to avoid actually doing anything about problems. That's not to mention that population is expected to collapse, not increase: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521.
45
16/12/2020 10:49:34 9 6
bbc
Don't want to spoil the bucolic views of the Tory heartlands, eh?
88
16/12/2020 10:57:54 2 1
bbc
eh ? Do I detect a generalisation?
89
16/12/2020 10:58:19 5 1
bbc
Re-generation of council estates and less prosperous regions sounds like an excellent idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before??

But also in addition to the obvious need for more affordable housing, we need more premium housing in brownfield locations and where people actually want to live, for example Surrey. Surrey is most certainly NOT overcowded.
93
16/12/2020 11:00:49 4 1
bbc
It will be soon when ex-pats flood home, followed by disillusioned Hong Konger's who hold dual nationality.
67
eL
16/12/2020 10:54:17 2 3
bbc
Palatable

OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.'

Estrogen.
90
16/12/2020 10:58:49 0 0
bbc
Errr...follow Beijing's example -a limit on the number of children per family? Errr... start a new conventional war - perhaps against Brussels?
91
16/12/2020 10:58:52 22 0
bbc
Apart from the comfortably retired most people want houses where there are plenty of good jobs and decent services. It’s no good building them anywhere. So in the North and Midlands I expect it’s about getting more decent jobs and building the economy. In the South, to stop the concreting over argument, start taking out a lot of disused retail and regenerate town centres to get housing development
95
16/12/2020 11:01:53 4 0
bbc
At the rate we're going give over all the high streets to Barratt's!
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Bob
16/12/2020 10:56:34 10 3
bbc
Building hasn't kept pace with population, even if you discount migration.
92
16/12/2020 11:00:21 2 0
bbc
easier Divorce has changed things too.
89
16/12/2020 10:58:19 5 1
bbc
Re-generation of council estates and less prosperous regions sounds like an excellent idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before??

But also in addition to the obvious need for more affordable housing, we need more premium housing in brownfield locations and where people actually want to live, for example Surrey. Surrey is most certainly NOT overcowded.
93
16/12/2020 11:00:49 4 1
bbc
It will be soon when ex-pats flood home, followed by disillusioned Hong Konger's who hold dual nationality.
72
16/12/2020 10:52:33 11 3
bbc
Pretty much ever historic village and town near me is now surrounded by houses that narrowly pass as rabbit hutches. Totally ruined the areas.

Get Brexit done means control immigration and the need for further house building.
94
16/12/2020 11:01:38 0 2
bbc
Absolutely nothing to do with immigration.
281
16/12/2020 12:12:58 2 0
bbc
A population growth rate since yr 2000 that is five times that of the 70's and 80's is around 75% down to persistent high net immigration of fecund migrants and 25% to increased longevity of the domestic stock.
91
16/12/2020 10:58:52 22 0
bbc
Apart from the comfortably retired most people want houses where there are plenty of good jobs and decent services. It’s no good building them anywhere. So in the North and Midlands I expect it’s about getting more decent jobs and building the economy. In the South, to stop the concreting over argument, start taking out a lot of disused retail and regenerate town centres to get housing development
95
16/12/2020 11:01:53 4 0
bbc
At the rate we're going give over all the high streets to Barratt's!
67
eL
16/12/2020 10:54:17 2 3
bbc
Palatable

OK then - explain to me HOW to manage population growth, in a way that doesn't involve loss of lives.'

Estrogen.
96
16/12/2020 11:02:19 1 0
bbc
Disregarding immigration, the UK (like most Western nations) has had a birth rate below replacement levels for years now. The rate in other advanced nations is also falling. Even third-world birth rates are falling due to more women working, eduction and access to birth control.
30
16/12/2020 10:47:13 5 5
bbc
The house building industry is a Tory Party racket designed to enable the housing cartel to make fabulous profits at the expense of naïve buyers...and raise Conservative Party donations. 'Predict and Provide' models of housing demand are fundamentally flawed...and serve only the interests of Tories and developers.
97
16/12/2020 11:02:37 2 1
bbc
The house building industry is concerned only with profits, not with social good. They do not want to build affordable houses, or use ex-industrial land. Big firms only want to construct executive style houses on greenfield sites., and they game the planning system.

This has been the case for many years, under both Labour and Conservatives. Simply ranting about the current government is no use.
16
16/12/2020 10:42:20 6 1
bbc
Wrong. It's the NIMBYs in the Tory heartlands of South east England that have forced this to keep house prices high for their pension funds.
98
16/12/2020 11:02:39 0 0
bbc
Whatever, still works out better for the North and that's welcomed.
174
16/12/2020 11:25:19 1 0
bbc
Except, it doesn't.

The economics of developing in the north, or in many of the souths deprived coastal towns still doesn't stack up. There are many areas of the UK where swathes of development land has an effective negative value because selling prices are so low. In other words all it does is keep house prices higher in Surrey.

But keep drinking the Kool-Aid
72
16/12/2020 10:52:33 11 3
bbc
Pretty much ever historic village and town near me is now surrounded by houses that narrowly pass as rabbit hutches. Totally ruined the areas.

Get Brexit done means control immigration and the need for further house building.
99
16/12/2020 11:03:00 0 1
bbc
Fantasy! A little England vision.
100
16/12/2020 11:03:09 2 0
bbc
Anyone thinking its south=rich only, sorry, wrong. Friends of mine just moved to new build funded by Council and paying less than the going rental rate. Both work, just lucky with how the system works. Bus route to town, good luck to 'em.