Heathrow wins court battle to build third runway
16/12/2020 | news | business | 990
In a blow to campaigners, judges say ministers' decision to approve the runway was legitimate.
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16/12/2020 10:43:10 7 23
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Its just a matter of time. Heathrow needs a 3rd runway. Global britain and all that
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BTJ
16/12/2020 10:51:36 6 6
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Demolish Terminal 5 to build it. Business travel is projected to fall by 50% post Covid.
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16/12/2020 10:43:20 62 20
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No longer needed, so no need for Johnson to dodge the bulldozers.
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16/12/2020 16:48:16 5 0
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Like HS2 - another white elephant in the offing?
Things are DIFFERENT now.
Need to re-evaluate and research to find out IF it is still needed.
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16/12/2020 10:43:47 264 55
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Do we get to see Johnson lying in front of a bulldozer? Mind you he's lied in front of many other things recently so why not..........
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16/12/2020 11:16:17 78 16
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Unlikely.

The third runway won't be operational until at least 2030 by which time Boris will be political history!
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16/12/2020 11:39:43 0 2
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What lies? I have I it ever hear d the truth.
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Us
16/12/2020 11:51:22 11 4
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Can they dig the ditch that he said would die in while they are at it? Why not throw in a freezer or two as well...
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16/12/2020 12:14:06 2 12
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Remainers are so unoriginal, and not in the slightest bit funny. We but Boris in to get Brexit done. He will be gone soon. Then you will have Rishi to contend with, an altogether more fearsome prospect for lefties.
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16/12/2020 12:49:38 1 2
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Can I please drive that bulldozer.
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16/12/2020 14:28:38 2 0
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Currently, Boris looks like he's been run over by a bulldozer!
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16/12/2020 14:51:05 1 0
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No you get to see Boris driving the Bulldozer. He loves getting in the cab wearing his hi-vis and hard hat! Last time was when he knocked down that wall of white boxes to get Brexit Done!
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16/12/2020 10:43:58 352 112
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A majority probably don’t want any Heathrow expansion, not just for environmental reasons but for too much focus on London and South East, yet multiple Governments have been adamant on it, showing how out of touch they are and have been on the issue.

Combined with the long-term reductions in flight traffic projected, a third runway seems even more unnecessary now.
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16/12/2020 10:50:59 172 188
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Which majority ?

How do you know this ?
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16/12/2020 10:59:15 39 57
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Please don’t get caught up in the BBC world of ‘could would probably’ to further your cause.
Multiple Governments no doubt base the need for development on facts available to them.
Your opinion of what the majority probably want has has no substance whatsoever unless supported by evidence.
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16/12/2020 11:01:04 37 80
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reduction in flight traffic?? what are you on about? - because of the brief blip that was covid?? jesus wept

get heathrow done
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16/12/2020 11:02:54 17 30
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Any chance you could cite your sources for the claim regarding flight traffic projections because there's a variance with many results from the most popular search engines regarding long-term air traffic projections and slot demand at Heathrow?
Please help educate those high-maintenance souls like me who don't immediately accept social media posts as the truth and only believe credible papers.
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16/12/2020 11:27:39 28 2
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Indeed, so much for 'levelling up' and 'northern powerhouse' sloganizing, making ATC simpler and safer by de-congesting air corridors and so on.
Why not put the runway at one of HS2 termini so passengers can get to London (IF they actually want to) rather than having to go to London then travel out?
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16/12/2020 11:38:12 5 3
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I for one do not want the centralising of future air travel to be in the South East while regional airports are closing, thank you.
Who really wants to travel to London just for a 40 minute flight to the Med for a relaxing holiday?? (Ok just the people in the South East then!)
Far too much "infrastructure" centralised in the South East.
Anyway, what's wrong with reopening Gatwick fully!
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16/12/2020 12:04:21 3 0
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"A majority probably" is how to recognise somebody's personal opinion

I'm not saying you're incorrect, but there's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion without trying to validate it by guessing other people feel the same way

Personally I'm not against it, international travel isn't going to go away so we need science and industry to make it more sustainable
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16/12/2020 12:08:01 2 1
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Concerned residents of Hertfordshire need to mobilise. Many Heathrow aircraft fly north after take off over Watford, Radlett, St, Albans, Harpenden, Hitchin and Stevenage. A Third Runaway will lead to a large increase in noise pollution over these areas.
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16/12/2020 12:40:22 1 1
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A bit like HS2 to be honest so it's easy to see that our rulers don't give a hoot about what we think and want
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16/12/2020 12:45:55 1 0
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You sound omniscient.
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16/12/2020 13:44:21 1 0
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yet multiple Governments have been adamant on it, showing how out of touch they are and have been on the issue.

Or perhaps a majority of people have no idea about financial considerations and are infact NIMBYs
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16/12/2020 14:15:02 0 1
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By the time it's finished, air traffic will be back to normal so yep, let's get it built for the good of Brexit Britain !!!

There's a few nice properties going to be lost but demolition of the villages concerned will make the area look a lot nicer and tidier - if you've driven through there recently, you'll agree with me
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16/12/2020 15:02:21 0 0
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Many people here seem not very well informed - benefits of extra runway @ Heathrow v Gatwick almost the same (circa £3billion less for Gatwick) yet 2nd runway @ Gatwick much quicker & cheaper to build (£11 billion less) plus it will introduce competition (unlike adding a 3rd @ Heathrow).
But do we need extra runways? likely lesiure flights will remain very popular but expect less business flights.
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AMc
16/12/2020 15:16:40 0 0
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"Combined with the long-term reductions in flight traffic projected"

Sorry this lying spin has to be called out. Long term projections are that it will increase not decrease.
STOP making up fake news to fit your agenda.
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16/12/2020 10:44:07 9 3
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Get the bulldozer ready for Boris.
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16/12/2020 10:47:30 10 1
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How about a raffle for charity for who gets to drive it!
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16/12/2020 10:44:45 94 15
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So is Bojo going to lie in front of the bulldozers as promised? Last time there was a vote, he organised an unnecessary trip to Afghanistan just to avoid it. Pathetic.
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16/12/2020 10:46:25 65 5
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He's the Prime Minister. He has people to lie in front of bulldozers for him now.
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16/12/2020 10:46:35 12 2
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"So is Bojo going to lie in front of the bulldozers as promised?"

Why not, I mean he lies everywhere else.
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16/12/2020 15:16:46 0 0
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Probably not, but seeing as Dominic Cummings is short of a gig, I'm sure he'd step up. For a price, obviously :)
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16/12/2020 10:45:00 165 34
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Ahhh, the pester power runway.

Can we have a new runway? No.
Can we have a new runway? No.
Can we have a new runway? No.
Can we have a new runway? No.
Can we have a new runway? No.
Can we have a new runway? Yes.

You can have 100 'no's but you only need one yes and you have a runway forever. It makes the runway inevitable. They should only be able to ask once every 10 years by law.
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16/12/2020 11:26:40 102 44
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Tell that to the Supreme Leader of Holyrood
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16/12/2020 11:45:07 14 8
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Kind of like brexit. Once you've voted for it, you're stuck with it.
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16/12/2020 11:52:08 12 8
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Sounds like the way the EU conduct business! Keep having votes till they get the answer they want. At least Heathrow is a busy airport, unlike some of the EU funded airports in southern Europe!
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16/12/2020 12:53:57 6 0
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It is like all planning negotiations, you only have to win once but have to oppose it multiple times as they keep applying for permission.
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16/12/2020 13:02:56 3 0
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Indeed standard planning approval, approach. Totally agree the planning system is not fit for purpose. But in this case I think the issue is cheap fuel than damages the environment making it too profitable. Pricing in carbon would resolve it.
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16/12/2020 13:34:05 0 4
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The same tactic worked for brexit, and may well work for the SNP.
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16/12/2020 15:40:34 0 0
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They didn't ask again. They have used the appeals process to take the case to a higher level of court.
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16/12/2020 15:57:19 0 0
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A bit like Scottish Independence vote?
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16/12/2020 10:45:33 4 8
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So the Supreme Court is either;

- Unintelligent enough to see the pollution & congestion problems around Heathrow.

or:

- On the take.
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BTJ
16/12/2020 10:49:11 6 2
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People connected to government are making millions from Covid, HS2 & a third runway.
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16/12/2020 10:51:09 2 2
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Maybe you missed one option:

Reviewed precedence and the evidence, and made a conclusion without political slant or bias on the legality of the matter.

Unlike you.
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16/12/2020 10:45:40 20 8
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This runway is simply not needed now, and is of no benefit to anyone but big business. Our money should be spent on more useful priorities.
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16/12/2020 10:44:45 94 15
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So is Bojo going to lie in front of the bulldozers as promised? Last time there was a vote, he organised an unnecessary trip to Afghanistan just to avoid it. Pathetic.
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16/12/2020 10:46:25 65 5
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He's the Prime Minister. He has people to lie in front of bulldozers for him now.
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16/12/2020 10:53:27 5 2
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Fellow English nationalists you mean?
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16/12/2020 11:12:57 3 1
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He could start with Gove!
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16/12/2020 13:01:01 0 0
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Pity.
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16/12/2020 14:38:35 0 0
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eg. Matt 'Canon fodder' Hancock...the inspiration behind the phrase 'they made a real hancock of that'
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16/12/2020 10:44:45 94 15
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So is Bojo going to lie in front of the bulldozers as promised? Last time there was a vote, he organised an unnecessary trip to Afghanistan just to avoid it. Pathetic.
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16/12/2020 10:46:35 12 2
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"So is Bojo going to lie in front of the bulldozers as promised?"

Why not, I mean he lies everywhere else.
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16/12/2020 10:47:01 87 28
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More money for the South...
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16/12/2020 11:07:01 52 14
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"More money for the South"

How is the levelling up going so far?
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16/12/2020 11:09:44 14 3
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"Levelling up"
And other titles by Hans Christian Anderson
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16/12/2020 11:36:20 8 2
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Harsh fact but why would passengers from Asia-Pac or North America want to use an airport hundreds of miles away London? By far and away the majority of business travellers and foreign visitors gateway through London. Just a fact
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16/12/2020 13:25:27 1 3
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Dassit! Exactly it. Heathrow is in a terrible place. The roads around there can't cope, the train cannot cope either. Why not expand another airport somewhere further north in the middle of nowehere far from people oso that their homes won't have to be flattened and it would rebalnce the economy
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16/12/2020 19:21:56 1 0
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If it ever happens its 100% funded by the owners of the airport , not a penny of government money , unlike the funds that paid for the expansion of Manchester and Birmingham airports.
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16/12/2020 10:47:05 67 16
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If we must build HS2, give expansion to Birmingham. You could get there just as quick from London on HS2 as you can get to Heathrow.
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16/12/2020 11:18:04 10 3
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"If we must build HS2, give expansion to Birmingham"

This has been going on for ten years already. We don't want it going on for another ten.
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16/12/2020 12:10:32 3 0
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However, given the current rail fares situation, it would be cheaper to have flown halfway around the world to LHR than the short journey fro BHX to central London or other directions
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16/12/2020 12:39:34 1 2
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we should stop both idiotic projects.
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16/12/2020 14:55:58 0 0
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Heathrow to London is 15 mins on crossrail
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16/12/2020 15:51:58 0 0
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Heathrow express 15 minutes
HS2 Birmingham airport to London 38 minutes.
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16/12/2020 10:47:11 129 30
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The Heathrow area is an overdeveloped, overpopulated hell with 2 runways. Much better to develop regional airports, eg Bristol and Cardiff instead. Madness.
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16/12/2020 10:49:52 39 61
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Should do both.
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16/12/2020 10:53:17 10 8
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As international hubs Bristol and Cardiff don't work - people want to fly into London.

Are we going to stretch reality further - London Bristol & London Cardiff airports ?!?!

Manchester could expand but in the past 5 years has cut international long haul capacity as the demand wasn't there.
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16/12/2020 11:06:03 9 1
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Go ahead if you can find an investor. Heathrow's runway investment is backed by private money.
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16/12/2020 11:10:08 1 3
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Better to put the cargo airports in the region of a decent motorway. Like Exeter, they have a lot of wind down there, not many people down there & with a large number of elderly locals who dont believe in the IPCC probable forecasts then they got themselves to blame.
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16/12/2020 11:15:00 10 2
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"Much better to develop regional airports, eg Bristol and Cardiff instead"

They probably would if there was demand. This isn't about sharing airport capacity out, it's about where people want to fly to and from.
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Bob
16/12/2020 13:21:59 5 0
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Bristol's runway runs at around half it's capacity. Why would you want to add another one there?

People keep saying expand regional airports instead but the demand isn't there. "Madness" would be to expand those, not airports that are full!
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16/12/2020 14:30:22 0 0
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annd Carlisle.
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16/12/2020 17:43:10 0 1
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Bristol/Cardiff - too close to London. Manchester/Edinburgh however...

With retiring 747s and no more A380s being built, long-haul will be dominated by the 787/777/767 and A350/A330 families which don't need the longer runways at Heathrow. The "regional" hubs' time may have come... but you can't have too many of them and they can't be too close to the "national" hub.
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16/12/2020 18:39:35 0 0
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Bristol doesn't want an airport expansion either, thank you!
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16/12/2020 19:16:39 0 0
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why, do you think there is a great deal of demand from people who live near London (40% of the population ) to drive all the way down the M4 to catch a flight ? It's not how these things work.
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16/12/2020 10:44:07 9 3
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Get the bulldozer ready for Boris.
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16/12/2020 10:47:30 10 1
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How about a raffle for charity for who gets to drive it!
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16/12/2020 10:47:35 8 6
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I don't understand why we cant build a new runway because of emissions.

That argument relies on the assumption that all planes will be fossil fuel powered forever.

So therefore we shouldn't be able to build any new roads, trainlines, factories, houses. All of these produce emissions through fossil fuels.
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16/12/2020 10:59:42 1 1
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Your dream of electric or hydrogen powered airliners is far, far removed from reality. Check the science on energy density and work required. Perhaps light aircraft, which don't need massive runways; anything bigger is a long-term goal, made possible by massive technology changes - literally game-changing technologies that will mean all bets will be off.
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16/12/2020 10:47:39 10 16
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Heathrow is the best place for hub airport and connectivity

Calling for expansion of airport in other places of UK wont serve the purpose of international hub

Other UK cities need some airport I agree. But Heathrow must be expanded to compete with Dubai and Amsterdam
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16/12/2020 11:42:37 2 0
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Absolute tosh. Fly to New York from Manchester or Heathrow, Fly to other hubs from Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Glasgow, Birmingham etc, etc, quicker, easier CHEAPER and more convenient.
Heathrow is NOT the easiest airport to get to by any method except probably by plane but then.........
No Schipol/Frankfurt are excellent hubs, easy to fly to and easy to traverse.
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16/12/2020 10:46:01 5 9
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It's hearting to see that our judges have a sense of humour, even if it is slightly twisted.

This is a bit like authorising a dam after the river has dried up. Thanks to this government's insane lockdowns and restrictions, our aviation industry has been so badly damaged that a third Heathrow runway will probably not be needed for decades, if ever.
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16/12/2020 11:16:47 3 0
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Purpose of Judges is to see that the law is upheld, not to make new laws based on dogma & zealotry.
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16/12/2020 10:46:01 8 9
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We can be fairly certain that the economy will recover, and the requirement for air travel will increase. Heathrow was always at or near capacity.

I do feel for those who will be disrupted, but it will be made worse for them by endless appeals and blocks by 'campaigners'. Just do it!
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16/12/2020 11:06:54 3 0
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"I do feel for those who will be disrupted, but it will be made worse for them by endless appeals and blocks by 'campaigners'. Just do it!"

We tried that with Brexit, and that's working out well for us, considering how easy it was supposed to be.....
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16/12/2020 10:46:07 11 6
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Where's Boris with his bulldozer when you need him?
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16/12/2020 10:51:53 10 1
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he's busy in his ditch
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BTJ
16/12/2020 10:47:56 9 11
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Just like HS2, a third runway is no longer needed in a state controlled, post Covid world.
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16/12/2020 10:48:23 146 55
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No one wants it; no one needs it. Just stop with these stupid vanity projects. You can't set a load of climate/environmental targets and then do things like this.
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16/12/2020 10:50:37 81 147
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"No one wants it; no one needs it. Just stop with these stupid vanity projects. "

Wrong. Wrong. And it isn't. Its called an intregrated travel network, and its vital for business as well as pleasure.
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16/12/2020 11:04:28 13 21
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more and more younger people are living and working around the world. just because the over 50's dont want it and arent interested in leaving their parishes, isnt cause for it not to happen
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16/12/2020 11:27:16 11 8
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"No one wants it; no one needs it."

I think you mean you don't want or need it. Heathrow does or they wouldn't be building it.
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16/12/2020 13:45:56 4 1
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Capitalism was thriving long before airports and cheap polluting air flights to "other cultures". Most people are mind hacked into thinking what big business wants them to think, they even write about it on their facebook/instagram diarrhoea . Destroying the planet for a piss up on a beach is abhorrent.
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16/12/2020 10:47:09 265 78
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Stupid idea. We should be flying less in the future, not more. And just when the M25 is actually reasonable to drive on, they want to add a few years chaos to that as well. No thanks, we don;t need another runway.
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16/12/2020 10:49:39 65 32
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For once, I actually agree with you.
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16/12/2020 11:02:32 6 16
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stupid idea because "you think so" - some people actually desire more international travel - some people aren't confined to one place for a lifetime. More people are working all over the world. This is just gargoyle mentality
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Jay
16/12/2020 11:13:17 5 4
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What about cargo and imports/exports? It's not just people that need to fly. It's quicker that sea … and less likely to be hijacked or stolen. With Brexit we may have to start importing/exporting with countries further away and people today have much less patience to wait for food and items then they used too.
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16/12/2020 11:32:59 3 3
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Yeah ! Its young peoples fault for voting for so called Tony Blair 15 years ago !
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16/12/2020 12:25:25 0 2
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Nonsense. We'll all have flying cars in the future.
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16/12/2020 12:42:39 1 4
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Why should we be flying less? When all the alternative non politing fuels become more main stream we will.be flying even more especially as we will have more leisure time.
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16/12/2020 12:42:42 0 4
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M25 actually reasonable to drive on... I don't know what time you venture on to this, at times giant car park. Having less air travel can only increase the traffic on our roads.
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16/12/2020 14:17:54 0 1
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Yeah that's right - let's all use HS2 instead.....oh wait
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16/12/2020 10:49:07 4 9
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Living in the south west, I release lots of emissions by either driving to Gatwick or worse getting a connecting flight from Amsterdam to go to the USA.

Expanding LHR might make it affordable.
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16/12/2020 10:53:44 1 1
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it won't be affordable when it goes over time and over budget. Even the base plan will see airport charges (already the most expensive charges in the world) rise by at least 10%
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16/12/2020 10:45:33 4 8
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So the Supreme Court is either;

- Unintelligent enough to see the pollution & congestion problems around Heathrow.

or:

- On the take.
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BTJ
16/12/2020 10:49:11 6 2
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People connected to government are making millions from Covid, HS2 & a third runway.
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FF
16/12/2020 11:12:20 0 0
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The Great British Public voted these cretins into power. You asked for this and got it.
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MVP
16/12/2020 10:49:23 156 62
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This is a disaster for the environment

The world has changed and fewer people will be using air travel post COVID

This is a blinkered decision and the Supreme Court is potentially out of touch here
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16/12/2020 10:54:09 54 19
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Supreme Court issue Rui kings brought against what is in front of them. They aren’t out of touch, just ruining according to laws.

I don’t like it either but blame the government for building it.
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16/12/2020 11:11:43 11 12
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"The world has changed and fewer people will be using air travel post COVID"

The problem with spouting rubbish online is that no one can fact check you or censure false statements..

The above is a good example
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16/12/2020 11:11:15 13 6
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"The world has changed and fewer people will be using air travel post COVID"

I think you'll find passenger demand will return pretty quickly. And this is about freight too.
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16/12/2020 11:15:20 11 7
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Aviation is less than 5% of global CO2 emissions, so a new runway is hardly a 'disaster'. Agriculture is responsible for a quarter of emissions, but I don't see the environmentalists chaining themselves to farmers' tractors.
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16/12/2020 11:27:59 4 0
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It was a finding based on the decision's legality and nothing more. Yes, it is an environmental disaster but that was not the legal issue.
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16/12/2020 12:20:49 7 1
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"This is a blinkered decision and the Supreme Court is potentially out of touch here"

The Supreme Court rules on points of law. They have no mandate in relation to public opinion.
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16/12/2020 12:44:01 2 3
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"fewer people will be using air travel post COVID" - very bold statement with no evidence to back it up. There will be slow up-take again but almost "business as usual" I would guess in a few years - the world is far too inter-connected now not to travel regularly by air.
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16/12/2020 12:46:36 4 2
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I'm staggered by this assumption that fewer people will be using air travel after Covid. The majority of people I speak to of all walks of life cannot wait to get away for a holiday abroad. I acknowledge your environment point but lets not kid ourselves people are going to stop wanting to use air travel.
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16/12/2020 14:47:31 1 0
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Has the 'Supreme Court' ever been In Touch with anything?
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16/12/2020 15:31:10 3 1
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So your wanting the Supreme Court to get involved in politics, not rule on the law of the land as it is written. It will be a sad day if our Supreme Court becomes like the American one.
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16/12/2020 16:08:21 0 1
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Unless you and others agree to stop flying abroad you can be labelled as hypocrites. Protestors cannot say one thing... But then fly!
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16/12/2020 10:49:24 5 5
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There's definitely a much bigger case for a 2nd runway at Gatwick now instead !
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JJM
16/12/2020 10:49:29 7 7
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The government’s position is that it is to be funded privately and not by the tax payer. It isn’t “our money”.
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16/12/2020 10:53:35 12 3
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This means yet again the UK is privatised. If the fund are private, the prices will be high and the profit goes to the richest among us.

Nothing for those of low income, squeeze those of middle income for the benefit of those at high income.

Lovely society.
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16/12/2020 11:09:48 0 0
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You don't pay tax on future investment. So it is OUR money they will be using.
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16/12/2020 11:19:25 0 0
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"The government’s position is that it is to be funded privately and not by the tax payer."

Unless the construction contactor goes bust, then it will be.
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16/12/2020 13:43:51 0 0
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Like Hinkley and Sizewell?
Beholden to foreign states is your preference?
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16/12/2020 10:49:50 3 8
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Yoghurt knitters won't be happy about that.
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16/12/2020 10:47:11 129 30
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The Heathrow area is an overdeveloped, overpopulated hell with 2 runways. Much better to develop regional airports, eg Bristol and Cardiff instead. Madness.
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16/12/2020 10:49:52 39 61
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Should do both.
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16/12/2020 15:26:29 0 0
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Why? More efficient aircraft carrying more will do more than merely having more aircraft that carry less.
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16/12/2020 17:42:34 1 0
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Why fly at all? Stupid idea.
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16/12/2020 10:50:41 10 6
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If you got off a plane in Heathrow and didn't know where you were, the last place you'd think it was would be UK.

It's an absolute hell-hole, avoid like the plague.

Gatwick's even worse!
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16/12/2020 10:52:20 7 10
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Immigration application turned down again ?
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16/12/2020 10:53:07 0 2
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Here would you think you are and why?
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16/12/2020 10:43:58 352 112
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A majority probably don’t want any Heathrow expansion, not just for environmental reasons but for too much focus on London and South East, yet multiple Governments have been adamant on it, showing how out of touch they are and have been on the issue.

Combined with the long-term reductions in flight traffic projected, a third runway seems even more unnecessary now.
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16/12/2020 10:50:59 172 188
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Which majority ?

How do you know this ?
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16/12/2020 11:02:50 56 8
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There isn't much admittingly but a YouGov poll a year ago has around two-thirds of respondents at least concerned about the climate impact, with only 25% backing it. Can't find more recent ones but don't see 2020's events improving support.
https://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2019/10/polling-reveals-64-of-britons-are-concerned-about-the-climate-impact-of-heathrow-3rd-runway-and-only-about-25-back-it/
184
16/12/2020 11:26:39 23 7
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They have fifty seven thumbs up compared to seventeen thumbs down
270
16/12/2020 11:46:46 5 4
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The majority that have down voted your response.
424
16/12/2020 12:41:23 1 0
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The word probably was used in the comment just in case you missed that part so before you take a dig have another read ;-)
437
16/12/2020 12:44:57 2 2
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Ask ten folk if their in favour of it or not.
Do your own poll, easy.
450
16/12/2020 12:48:33 1 3
bbc
Look at the number of upvotes VS downvotes on JJHandley's comment - there's your majority who don't want it right there.
739
16/12/2020 15:04:40 0 1
bbc
"Which majority ?

How do you know this ?"

Conservative manifesto policy. When it suits you lot you go on about mandates, right up to the very point where it involves a Tory keeping their word, when it APPARENTLY stops mattering at all.

You clowns don't care what lies Johnson tells you. The more the merrier.

Don't assume that that this makes you a realist.

It makes you the worst kind of sucker
752
16/12/2020 15:17:11 0 0
bbc
The word 'probably' was used.
826
16/12/2020 16:09:31 1 1
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In 2001, air travel was dealt a massive blow by the 11 September attacks, and the effects lasted years. But this was a ripple compared to what Covid-19 will do. Heathrow plans to increase flights by 50% to 740,000 a year within two years of the third runway being completed. But people are already looking for ways to "reduce" the amount of times they now fly, due to CO2 emissions.

8
16/12/2020 10:45:33 4 8
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So the Supreme Court is either;

- Unintelligent enough to see the pollution & congestion problems around Heathrow.

or:

- On the take.
33
16/12/2020 10:51:09 2 2
bbc
Maybe you missed one option:

Reviewed precedence and the evidence, and made a conclusion without political slant or bias on the legality of the matter.

Unlike you.
164
16/12/2020 11:19:25 0 0
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That is one possibility. I would counter that any person arguing for the third runway at Heathrow either has a vested interest or does not see the big picture.
23
16/12/2020 10:47:09 265 78
bbc
Stupid idea. We should be flying less in the future, not more. And just when the M25 is actually reasonable to drive on, they want to add a few years chaos to that as well. No thanks, we don;t need another runway.
34
16/12/2020 10:49:39 65 32
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For once, I actually agree with you.
22
16/12/2020 10:48:23 146 55
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No one wants it; no one needs it. Just stop with these stupid vanity projects. You can't set a load of climate/environmental targets and then do things like this.
35
16/12/2020 10:50:37 81 147
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"No one wants it; no one needs it. Just stop with these stupid vanity projects. "

Wrong. Wrong. And it isn't. Its called an intregrated travel network, and its vital for business as well as pleasure.
147
16/12/2020 11:14:44 9 6
bbc
There is NOTHING integrated about the UK travel network
Mind you as Boris has just nationalised the railways, perhaps he has a plan. Or, knowing Boris, perhaps not
364
16/12/2020 12:15:09 4 1
bbc
**** business
434
16/12/2020 12:43:11 14 2
bbc
What world do you live in? One without the internet, Zoom, and all the other tools businesses should be using I presume? Instead of jollying around the planet, killing it as they do
436
16/12/2020 12:44:26 16 1
bbc
No it's not vital for business at all that's just your opinion as mine is mine
457
16/12/2020 12:51:28 4 9
bbc
These green types are too far gone for rational discussion, sir/madam. They can only 'feel' things.
479
16/12/2020 12:56:20 6 2
bbc
The new runway should be built at one of the northern airports. Travel to Heathrow is expensive.
480
16/12/2020 12:57:20 3 1
bbc
Why is more people flying vital for business?
534
16/12/2020 13:21:18 1 2
bbc
Clown - Vital for business? We've had vital for business which brought us Covid-19
717
DrR
16/12/2020 14:47:54 1 1
bbc
Expanding Heathrow was wrong for so many reasons, Gatwick, the other front runner or expanding a regional airport would have made more sense.

However, you have to realise that UK airports aren't state run, they are private businesses, in competition with each other and the money for Heathrow expansion doesn't come from the UK government.

That is why it is at Heathrow and not Manchester.
741
16/12/2020 15:07:31 0 2
bbc
"Its called an intregrated travel network, and its vital for business as well as pleasure."

We need to tear down west London to make a bigger version of something we already have, when the current one is empty and likely to remain so for years?

Gibberish.

This is all about lucrative contracts for Tory donors, after the current PM achieved power in part by swearing blind it would never happen
770
16/12/2020 15:25:34 0 0
bbc
It is neither necessary or useful. Total capacity of what is carried matters, not capacity for aircraft. Efficiently delivering more would achieve all the needs of business without a single extra aircraft.
855
16/12/2020 16:32:38 0 0
bbc
It isn't a integrated travel network its a London travel network
Idiot. Removed
983
17/12/2020 10:21:51 0 0
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It’s only integrated if you live in / around London, otherwise its distributed.
It’s not vital for anything, business and tourism can use other hubs.
It’s a vanity project promoted by business interests over public need.
It’s going against common sense and the trend to reduce emissions.
It’s not required period!
1
16/12/2020 10:43:10 7 23
bbc
Its just a matter of time. Heathrow needs a 3rd runway. Global britain and all that
36
BTJ
16/12/2020 10:51:36 6 6
bbc
Demolish Terminal 5 to build it. Business travel is projected to fall by 50% post Covid.
37
Rob
16/12/2020 10:51:50 8 5
bbc
Ridiculous. If the news was to be believed Gatwick has halved in use- surely there's no business case for this runway now? The money would be better spent improving our sea ports.
38
16/12/2020 10:51:53 10 10
bbc
Probably too late to retain our place as an aviation hub. Overtaken long ago by other European airports. Heathrow has long been unfit for purpose. If we had wanted to retain our place in the forefront of aviation we should have grasped the nettle 20 years ago and build an airport fit for the 21st century on the Thames Estuary.
150
16/12/2020 11:15:37 1 0
bbc
It's a protected area. https://rsis.ramsar.org/ris/1025
20
16/12/2020 10:46:07 11 6
bbc
Where's Boris with his bulldozer when you need him?
39
16/12/2020 10:51:53 10 1
bbc
he's busy in his ditch
40
16/12/2020 10:51:58 6 5
bbc
If you're going to have HR3 does that mean you also need 3rd runways at Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds Bradford, Prestwick, Aberdeen, Exeter, etc ad nauseam.

No? Why not?

Because they're totally unnecessary and unjustifiable!
And bloody silly.

So EXACTLY the same situation as HR3 then?
31
16/12/2020 10:50:41 10 6
bbc
If you got off a plane in Heathrow and didn't know where you were, the last place you'd think it was would be UK.

It's an absolute hell-hole, avoid like the plague.

Gatwick's even worse!
41
16/12/2020 10:52:20 7 10
bbc
Immigration application turned down again ?
258
16/12/2020 11:43:51 1 1
bbc
You got the word immigration right.

4 other words weren't needed x
42
16/12/2020 10:51:02 5 8
bbc
Good decision, we need space to grow to compete.
117
16/12/2020 11:08:32 1 0
bbc
Everything isn't about money. If climate change is not stopped there will be more deaths globally, in which case all economies shrink or we as a race will not survive. If not in our lifetime this us a reality for generations to come.
43
16/12/2020 10:52:44 7 7
bbc
Just can't help thinking that the Heathrow runway is just like HS2 - it's been pushed through by those in Govt for their fat cat construction industry boss mates who get to make yet another fortune. This Tory government is corrupt and self-serving to the core. Sooner they're out, the better
624
16/12/2020 13:58:44 0 0
bbc
And every possible alternative is every bit as bad if not worse.
Remember the BS schemes that originated under Labour and were continued by the Tories instead of being canned on the spot.

And if you want evidence get off your high horse and look at the last General Election result.
44
16/12/2020 10:53:00 5 4
bbc
Those against the new runway should not worry.

Boris Johnson said he would lie down in front of the bulldozers to stop it being built.
90
16/12/2020 11:00:48 3 1
bbc
If there is one thing that Boris is good at, it is lying
45
16/12/2020 10:53:00 19 13
bbc
Oh to be driving the bulldozer if Johnson keeps his promise

“My hand slipped Honestly Guv I couldn’t stop”
31
16/12/2020 10:50:41 10 6
bbc
If you got off a plane in Heathrow and didn't know where you were, the last place you'd think it was would be UK.

It's an absolute hell-hole, avoid like the plague.

Gatwick's even worse!
46
16/12/2020 10:53:07 0 2
bbc
Here would you think you are and why?
47
16/12/2020 10:53:16 3 6
bbc
I'll be protesting against this disaster of a third runway. There are already enough planes in the sky from all the other nearby airport and these planes put out a lot of emissions and noise. I'm fairly certain the locals to my area will have a petition ready to go in short order.
14
16/12/2020 10:47:11 129 30
bbc
The Heathrow area is an overdeveloped, overpopulated hell with 2 runways. Much better to develop regional airports, eg Bristol and Cardiff instead. Madness.
48
16/12/2020 10:53:17 10 8
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As international hubs Bristol and Cardiff don't work - people want to fly into London.

Are we going to stretch reality further - London Bristol & London Cardiff airports ?!?!

Manchester could expand but in the past 5 years has cut international long haul capacity as the demand wasn't there.
430
16/12/2020 12:28:16 0 0
bbc
"Are we going to stretch reality further - London Bristol & London Cardiff airports?"

I think London Gatwick in Sussex is as far as we want to stretch that one.
49
16/12/2020 10:53:19 4 10
bbc
Whatever the rhetoric/spin is, the benefits of expansion far outweigh the negatives

- More domestic and international connections
- 1000's more jobs
- Planes are only going to get greener and quieter
- Billions in economic revenue
- Demonstrates after Brexit we are about the bigger picture
- Extra green space around Heathrow
- Way more logistics options in the UK, reducing road/rail freight
50
16/12/2020 10:53:22 3 4
bbc
We won't need it now the travel industry is on its knees, however using for cargo and freight would be more useful
10
16/12/2020 10:46:25 65 5
bbc
He's the Prime Minister. He has people to lie in front of bulldozers for him now.
51
16/12/2020 10:53:27 5 2
bbc
Fellow English nationalists you mean?
52
16/12/2020 10:53:27 6 7
bbc
Appreciate it doesn’t seem a priority right now, but we will need to make a decision on aviation capacity soon, whether it’s Heathrow or other regions. We are way behind our competitors like Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam. They have their capacity already we can’t even make a decision!
128
16/12/2020 11:11:48 1 1
bbc
Oh great another landing area for the next disease to arrive.
240
16/12/2020 11:36:17 1 0
bbc
"They have their capacity already we can’t even make a decision!"

China has built around 50 new airports in the ten years we have taken to argue about a new runway. This country really is pathetic on so many levels,
28
JJM
16/12/2020 10:49:29 7 7
bbc
The government’s position is that it is to be funded privately and not by the tax payer. It isn’t “our money”.
53
16/12/2020 10:53:35 12 3
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This means yet again the UK is privatised. If the fund are private, the prices will be high and the profit goes to the richest among us.

Nothing for those of low income, squeeze those of middle income for the benefit of those at high income.

Lovely society.
180
16/12/2020 11:21:07 0 0
bbc
"This means yet again the UK is privatised. If the fund are private, the prices will be high and the profit goes to the richest among us."

Profit from any commercial enterprise goes to shareholders, the largest of which are pension funds.
360
16/12/2020 12:13:17 0 0
bbc
But it is fair.

Why should someone else pay for others to fly? Or are you just after cheap flights for yourself?
24
16/12/2020 10:49:07 4 9
bbc
Living in the south west, I release lots of emissions by either driving to Gatwick or worse getting a connecting flight from Amsterdam to go to the USA.

Expanding LHR might make it affordable.
54
16/12/2020 10:53:44 1 1
bbc
it won't be affordable when it goes over time and over budget. Even the base plan will see airport charges (already the most expensive charges in the world) rise by at least 10%
55
MB
16/12/2020 10:53:56 2 2
bbc
Anyone surprised? False sense of actually having a say is what politicians do, they will ask you for opinion as it matters (ye right) and then will do what brings money to their pockets. Nothing new really..
56
16/12/2020 10:54:06 12 7
bbc
I have said it before, but I will say it again: Let's support the groups that are trying to save the planet. Here are a few of them:

https://friendsoftheearth.uk/

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/

rel="ugc nofollow noopener noreferrer"http://www.jri.org.uk/

https://greenchristian.org.uk/
.
61
16/12/2020 10:55:46 8 7
bbc
I will support anyone that cares for the planet, but not Christians!
64
16/12/2020 10:56:50 0 2
bbc
Sorry, one of those links did not seem to work.

Here it is again.

http://www.jri.org.uk/
.
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MVP
16/12/2020 10:49:23 156 62
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This is a disaster for the environment

The world has changed and fewer people will be using air travel post COVID

This is a blinkered decision and the Supreme Court is potentially out of touch here
57
16/12/2020 10:54:09 54 19
bbc
Supreme Court issue Rui kings brought against what is in front of them. They aren’t out of touch, just ruining according to laws.

I don’t like it either but blame the government for building it.
65
16/12/2020 10:56:51 10 12
bbc
"The world has changed and fewer people will be using air travel post COVID"

Wrong.
133
16/12/2020 11:11:50 15 1
bbc
"I don’t like it either but blame the government for building it."

The Govt isn't building it. Nor are they funding it.
228
16/12/2020 11:34:39 0 1
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Private investment that is building it!
477
16/12/2020 12:56:07 2 0
bbc
"They aren’t out of touch, just ruining according to laws."

Typo or not, this one made me giggle.
58
16/12/2020 10:54:26 199 19
bbc
Didn't a certain former London mayor promise to lay down in front of the bulldozers if the third runway was approved? Wonder what became of him.
69
16/12/2020 10:57:23 112 19
bbc
Check the fridge
Or he may have gone to Afghanistan for the day. Again...
76
16/12/2020 10:58:23 1 21
bbc
He grew up.
388
16/12/2020 12:09:40 7 0
bbc
"Wonder what became of him."

He is currently in a bit of a muddle over relaxing and tightening Christmas rules at the same time.
451
16/12/2020 12:48:38 1 6
bbc
He became Prime Minister, got access to more information, and changed his mind?

Ah yes, I remember those days, when all this internet were fields, when you could change your mind. It was considered a completely normal human behaviour.
513
16/12/2020 12:51:22 3 1
bbc
Yes, the same mayor who is a serial liar.
627
16/12/2020 13:59:42 2 0
bbc
He now appears on a weekly TV show you might have seen it Spitting Image.
853
16/12/2020 16:31:54 0 0
bbc
A third runway still hasn't been approved
59
16/12/2020 10:54:31 43 17
bbc
Will Boris lie down in front of the bulldozers?
Will Boris die in a ditch?
Will he marry Carrie?
Will he get the book deal and just * off?
Wait for the nest THRILLING INSTALMENT of Dick Johnson, Lying **** !!
60
16/12/2020 10:54:31 11 6
bbc
Luckily local protest groups can go to the EU courts and... oh, wait...
66
16/12/2020 10:56:52 5 4
bbc
Added bonus.
87
16/12/2020 11:00:04 0 1
bbc
Ha ha
56
16/12/2020 10:54:06 12 7
bbc
I have said it before, but I will say it again: Let's support the groups that are trying to save the planet. Here are a few of them:

https://friendsoftheearth.uk/

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/

rel="ugc nofollow noopener noreferrer"http://www.jri.org.uk/

https://greenchristian.org.uk/
.
61
16/12/2020 10:55:46 8 7
bbc
I will support anyone that cares for the planet, but not Christians!
686
16/12/2020 14:21:47 0 0
bbc
I am sorry that your Christophobia appears to be stronger than your concern for the planet and our children's future.
62
jon
16/12/2020 10:55:50 7 4
bbc
More competition for Paris CDG!
63
SP
16/12/2020 10:56:09 11 8
bbc
People no need to cry foul

Unlike HS2 , Heathrow expansion is NOT DONE on tax payers money

Its done commercially for profit using Heathrow's own money.

They won't expand the airport in Leeds or Sheffield where they can't get any profit

Its done in London for a reason. To make it as international hub where they can get the investment back.
75
16/12/2020 10:58:22 4 1
bbc
You mean we lost investment?
How can that be?
56
16/12/2020 10:54:06 12 7
bbc
I have said it before, but I will say it again: Let's support the groups that are trying to save the planet. Here are a few of them:

https://friendsoftheearth.uk/

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/

rel="ugc nofollow noopener noreferrer"http://www.jri.org.uk/

https://greenchristian.org.uk/
.
64
16/12/2020 10:56:50 0 2
bbc
Sorry, one of those links did not seem to work.

Here it is again.

http://www.jri.org.uk/
.
57
16/12/2020 10:54:09 54 19
bbc
Supreme Court issue Rui kings brought against what is in front of them. They aren’t out of touch, just ruining according to laws.

I don’t like it either but blame the government for building it.
65
16/12/2020 10:56:51 10 12
bbc
"The world has changed and fewer people will be using air travel post COVID"

Wrong.
60
16/12/2020 10:54:31 11 6
bbc
Luckily local protest groups can go to the EU courts and... oh, wait...
66
16/12/2020 10:56:52 5 4
bbc
Added bonus.
67
16/12/2020 10:56:54 7 6
bbc
Third runway just for Spitfires for the Gammons and flag wavers seems a bit OTT......
94
16/12/2020 11:02:28 1 4
bbc
Hope the 3rd runway comes with a detention centre to house all the illegals being sent back.
190
16/12/2020 11:24:29 1 0
bbc
"Third runway just for Spitfires for the Gammons and flag wavers"

This one is for the Brexit Flying Pig squadron.
68
16/12/2020 10:57:05 3 2
bbc
Well that went under the radar..........
58
16/12/2020 10:54:26 199 19
bbc
Didn't a certain former London mayor promise to lay down in front of the bulldozers if the third runway was approved? Wonder what became of him.
69
16/12/2020 10:57:23 112 19
bbc
Check the fridge
Or he may have gone to Afghanistan for the day. Again...
70
16/12/2020 10:57:31 5 6
bbc
Now go and and get this done. Is there another country on earth so paralysed in making planning decisions as the UK? The objectors have had their say, many times, and that should be the end of it. Are a final decision within 6 months, no more reviews or objections.
71
16/12/2020 10:57:31 8 5
bbc
Don't panic, it won't happen. Demand for air travel will never return to pre pandemic levels, no demand = no money.
125
16/12/2020 11:09:38 2 3
bbc
"Demand for air travel will never return to pre pandemic levels"

Of course it wont.

LOL.
72
16/12/2020 10:57:41 5 8
bbc
Investing in infrastructure like this is absolutely the right thing to do. It may not seem like it now but this and HS2 are project that’s must go ahead.
73
16/12/2020 10:57:41 6 10
bbc
The third Runway won't be needed for a while, but when air traffic goes back to pre-crisis levels, and indeed starts growing the way it did, it is good to know that the much needed expansion will not be stopped by tree-huggers.
83
16/12/2020 10:59:40 2 1
bbc
Don't worry, it won't be built for a while either
74
16/12/2020 10:58:21 9 7
bbc
Any politician serious about Climate Change would abolish the state subsidies for child-bearers, AKA child benefits, and reward the childless.
A single child = 60 tonnes of CO2 per annum, equivalent to driving 500,000 miles in an average car.
226
16/12/2020 11:33:29 1 0
bbc
Not 100% as it depends on which country you live.

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita

I cant see how a child could generate more CO2 than the average.

Emission per capita (tons per person)
Trinidad ,Tobago=25.4
Luxembourg=17.5
USA=15.5
Germany,Netherlands=9.5
China=7.4
UK=5.6

World=4.8
515
16/12/2020 12:53:50 0 0
bbc
So only rich people can have children ? Tad unfair. Maybe ban all children?

Interesting that China and Japan are both very concerned about the lack of children being born. As society gets more prosperous and more equal there are fewer children...
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SP
16/12/2020 10:56:09 11 8
bbc
People no need to cry foul

Unlike HS2 , Heathrow expansion is NOT DONE on tax payers money

Its done commercially for profit using Heathrow's own money.

They won't expand the airport in Leeds or Sheffield where they can't get any profit

Its done in London for a reason. To make it as international hub where they can get the investment back.
75
16/12/2020 10:58:22 4 1
bbc
You mean we lost investment?
How can that be?
88
SP
16/12/2020 11:00:14 0 3
bbc
We will invest only in those place where we can get Investment back as profit .

Hope you understood atleast now
58
16/12/2020 10:54:26 199 19
bbc
Didn't a certain former London mayor promise to lay down in front of the bulldozers if the third runway was approved? Wonder what became of him.
76
16/12/2020 10:58:23 1 21
bbc
He grew up.
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xx
16/12/2020 11:02:25 23 1
bbc
when did that happen?
I must have missed it...
77
16/12/2020 10:58:37 51 7
bbc
Never understood this. Land at Birmingham Airport, get on the train next door and be in London Euston in a little over an hour.

From Heathrow to Euston is only about 15 minutes quicker by train.
489
16/12/2020 13:02:45 13 1
bbc
Careful, that almost makes sense in bulding HS2 as part of an integrated travel policy.
642
16/12/2020 14:04:31 3 0
bbc
This assumes that you are trying to get to London. The busiest airport in the world is Atlanta, Georgia, not because everybody wants to get to Atlanta, but because it is a hub and people connect to other flights within the same airport. This doesn't work very well if you need to transfer to another airport to get to your connecting flight.
937
16/12/2020 19:24:20 0 0
bbc
Perhaps a quick check of the price of a one way ticket from Birmingham to London , when you don't know precisely which train you will be catching is the answer.
78
16/12/2020 10:58:42 4 8
bbc
Professional Protesters........ Perhaps it would be more constructive if they just got a proper job.
142
16/12/2020 11:14:15 1 1
bbc
Extinction Rebellion using disposable mobile phones to foil police during their protests last year.

You couldn't make it up
179
16/12/2020 11:25:18 0 0
bbc
The irony is how far they drive in old rust buckets to protest about pollution??

Years ago driving into Bristol, at the bottom of the M32 there was a old van with an XR logo on it, how the van was road legal is a mystery. Talk about hypocrisy from the zealots. Does anyone know whether it is still there?
79
16/12/2020 10:58:53 13 4
bbc
Heathrow is no longer a good airport to travel from, apart from the fact that it will be years before another runway would be needed. Far better to improve an airport centrally in the country.
106
16/12/2020 11:05:03 8 15
bbc
Heathrow is a hub for international travel, not intended for those those in central England going off on their annual holiday.
It’s about the U.K. being on the world stage, not about the convenience of getting to Gran Canaria.
159
16/12/2020 11:17:00 5 0
bbc
Following a dreadful experience of BA and Terminal 5 I will never again use Heathrow for onward travel. I always go KLM via Schiphol.
80
16/12/2020 10:58:54 9 3
bbc
With HS2 reducing the travel time (supposedly), from Birmingham to London it would make sense to expand a midlands airport.
86
16/12/2020 10:59:51 5 9
bbc
because you put two seconds of thought into it?
121
16/12/2020 11:08:13 1 1
bbc
HS2 is not about reducing travel time.
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Bob
16/12/2020 13:15:13 3 0
bbc
Countless people trotting out this nonsense.

If other airports can't fill their slots as it stands, why would they expand?

Heathrow and others are full. They are not expanding because it will be a bit of a laugh, they are expanding to fulfil demand.
81
16/12/2020 10:59:11 3 3
bbc
Thank god I don't have to use the M25 on my commute that will be absolutely shocking when that starts!

Still it's creating jobs for thousands of people as it's a huge project. So luck at the positives.
4
16/12/2020 10:43:58 352 112
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A majority probably don’t want any Heathrow expansion, not just for environmental reasons but for too much focus on London and South East, yet multiple Governments have been adamant on it, showing how out of touch they are and have been on the issue.

Combined with the long-term reductions in flight traffic projected, a third runway seems even more unnecessary now.
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16/12/2020 10:59:15 39 57
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Please don’t get caught up in the BBC world of ‘could would probably’ to further your cause.
Multiple Governments no doubt base the need for development on facts available to them.
Your opinion of what the majority probably want has has no substance whatsoever unless supported by evidence.
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sA
16/12/2020 14:13:31 0 0
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Very apt message/reply.
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16/12/2020 10:57:41 6 10
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The third Runway won't be needed for a while, but when air traffic goes back to pre-crisis levels, and indeed starts growing the way it did, it is good to know that the much needed expansion will not be stopped by tree-huggers.
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16/12/2020 10:59:40 2 1
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Don't worry, it won't be built for a while either
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16/12/2020 11:04:39 0 0
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I agree, but when (and indeed if) it does, I hope the time for quibbling is over.
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16/12/2020 10:47:35 8 6
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I don't understand why we cant build a new runway because of emissions.

That argument relies on the assumption that all planes will be fossil fuel powered forever.

So therefore we shouldn't be able to build any new roads, trainlines, factories, houses. All of these produce emissions through fossil fuels.
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16/12/2020 10:59:42 1 1
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Your dream of electric or hydrogen powered airliners is far, far removed from reality. Check the science on energy density and work required. Perhaps light aircraft, which don't need massive runways; anything bigger is a long-term goal, made possible by massive technology changes - literally game-changing technologies that will mean all bets will be off.
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16/12/2020 11:15:32 1 0
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Actually, DocDelete, there are already electric planes, Airlander & solid hydrogen fuel cells (prototypes) that are twice as dense as fuel.
There is a lot of research in how to make aviation less fossil fuel dependant & further efficiencies are there.

Ignore the advances of technology if you like, Caroline Lucus MP does & still flies to the USA 4x per year.
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16/12/2020 11:47:53 0 0
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Then in the not too distant future, flying will disappear. As the fuel disappears.

Or, maybe technology will move on. Only 100 years ago, commercial airlines were a pipe dream
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16/12/2020 10:59:47 4 5
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Didn't Johnson say "lie in front of those bulldozers and stop the building, stop the construction of that third runway".

Has he changed his mind, similar to what he did the night before Brexit.

Clearly a person of truth and integrity.

Oh, any word of a Cobra meeting to review the Xmas guidelines and the pending NHS crisis in January?
Oop. I forgot Johnson doesn't do Cobra meetings.
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16/12/2020 11:03:53 1 2
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Probably because it involves the inept Keir Starmer.
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16/12/2020 10:58:54 9 3
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With HS2 reducing the travel time (supposedly), from Birmingham to London it would make sense to expand a midlands airport.
86
16/12/2020 10:59:51 5 9
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because you put two seconds of thought into it?
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16/12/2020 10:54:31 11 6
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Luckily local protest groups can go to the EU courts and... oh, wait...
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16/12/2020 11:00:04 0 1
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Ha ha
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16/12/2020 10:58:22 4 1
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You mean we lost investment?
How can that be?
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SP
16/12/2020 11:00:14 0 3
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We will invest only in those place where we can get Investment back as profit .

Hope you understood atleast now
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16/12/2020 11:12:39 0 0
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You sound like you are not from round here
Does SP stand for Saint Pete's?
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16/12/2020 11:00:23 1 4
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Plenty of room for a runway now the Tories have blocked plans for new houses in the South East :)
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16/12/2020 10:53:00 5 4
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Those against the new runway should not worry.

Boris Johnson said he would lie down in front of the bulldozers to stop it being built.
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16/12/2020 11:00:48 3 1
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If there is one thing that Boris is good at, it is lying
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16/12/2020 10:43:58 352 112
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A majority probably don’t want any Heathrow expansion, not just for environmental reasons but for too much focus on London and South East, yet multiple Governments have been adamant on it, showing how out of touch they are and have been on the issue.

Combined with the long-term reductions in flight traffic projected, a third runway seems even more unnecessary now.
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16/12/2020 11:01:04 37 80
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reduction in flight traffic?? what are you on about? - because of the brief blip that was covid?? jesus wept

get heathrow done
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16/12/2020 12:22:03 2 1
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Remote working and video conferences have saved a fortune for businesses and individuals. Covid will have long term effects to everything. At the moment it's too hard to tell what those effects will be.
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16/12/2020 12:54:18 2 2
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The science behind global warming hasn't changed, but public and the gov't have seen the different the temporarily reduced pollution makes. CO2 is unseen but the message still comes across, the environment is more important now than it was.
There is no real societal need for more, cheap, high speed aviation in and out of London, the price of carbon needs to be built into the costs.
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16/12/2020 11:01:18 71 36
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Our kids will look back in anger at these decisions. Expanding airport capacity - will result in more flights - and more emissions - which will exacerbate climate change. Suicidal bonkers.
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16/12/2020 11:03:11 5 2
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Queue for a song.
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16/12/2020 11:03:42 9 4
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If we don't do it someone else will cater for the traffic e.g. Paris CDG. The world keeps turning it is what it is and no amount of placards will stop freight/multi nationals/trade etc
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16/12/2020 11:08:32 9 6
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eh? they will look back in anger at the fact that no one can get anywhere before being put on a waiting list, because a minority of nimbys held back progress AGAIN
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16/12/2020 11:22:18 3 2
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"Expanding airport capacity - will result in more flights - and more emissions"

It's OK, our new wind farms will blow it away.
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16/12/2020 12:09:57 3 2
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There is no climate change, except insofar as the climate has always 'changed' for millions of years and will always do so, regardless of what humans do or don't do.
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16/12/2020 13:31:05 2 1
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Expansion airport doesn't kill the planet, people do.
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16/12/2020 15:28:10 0 0
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We can carry more cargo with fewer aircraft, so if cargo matters we don't need an expansion of anything other than intelligence.
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16/12/2020 10:58:23 1 21
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He grew up.
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xx
16/12/2020 11:02:25 23 1
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when did that happen?
I must have missed it...
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16/12/2020 10:56:54 7 6
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Third runway just for Spitfires for the Gammons and flag wavers seems a bit OTT......
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16/12/2020 11:02:28 1 4
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Hope the 3rd runway comes with a detention centre to house all the illegals being sent back.
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16/12/2020 10:47:09 265 78
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Stupid idea. We should be flying less in the future, not more. And just when the M25 is actually reasonable to drive on, they want to add a few years chaos to that as well. No thanks, we don;t need another runway.
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16/12/2020 11:02:32 6 16
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stupid idea because "you think so" - some people actually desire more international travel - some people aren't confined to one place for a lifetime. More people are working all over the world. This is just gargoyle mentality
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16/12/2020 11:07:23 12 12
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No. Green is the way forward. People burning fossil fuels for fun are the backwards ones. ICE cars are dinosaurs now, nobody sensible is buying one. And aviation fuel should be taxed properly, at similar levels to petrol and diesel. Then people would pay a lot more for their flights, and many couldn't afford it. :-)
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16/12/2020 13:48:26 0 0
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And where do you want to fly that you can't already from Heathrow?
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16/12/2020 11:02:34 3 8
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Great news, now please no further delays and dithering, get digging.
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ljs
16/12/2020 11:02:41 9 5
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The VAST MAJORITY of the population of the UK,

DO NOT stay anywhere near Heathrow.

WHY OH WHY build MORE runways in the south east of england !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16/12/2020 11:04:45 4 6
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Completely missing the point of it being a hub there.
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Bob
16/12/2020 16:24:36 0 0
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So no one lives near it, yet more people use Heathrow than any other airport....
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16/12/2020 10:50:59 172 188
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Which majority ?

How do you know this ?
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16/12/2020 11:02:50 56 8
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There isn't much admittingly but a YouGov poll a year ago has around two-thirds of respondents at least concerned about the climate impact, with only 25% backing it. Can't find more recent ones but don't see 2020's events improving support.
https://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2019/10/polling-reveals-64-of-britons-are-concerned-about-the-climate-impact-of-heathrow-3rd-runway-and-only-about-25-back-it/
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16/12/2020 11:22:49 26 39
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So what you should have said is 64% of the 2,017 sampled for a YouGov Survey conducted on behalf of Friends of the Earth are concerned about the climate impact of a 3rd runway.....

Wow it doesn't have the same impact as your statement, does it.

Having concerns and being against are completely different.
I have concerns about the England manager, it doesn't mean I am against him.
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16/12/2020 11:41:14 9 1
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"but a YouGov poll a year ago has around two-thirds of respondents at least concerned about the climate impact"

They probably would say that if you asked whether they were concerned about the climate impact. If you asked whether they liked the construction jobs and economic benefits of a new runway they'd probably say yes to that too.
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16/12/2020 16:07:50 0 1
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People are worried about the "climate impact" of another runway in London but have no concerns about the 450 new airports being built in China. How very strange but predictable from the climate zealots.
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16/12/2020 10:43:58 352 112
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A majority probably don’t want any Heathrow expansion, not just for environmental reasons but for too much focus on London and South East, yet multiple Governments have been adamant on it, showing how out of touch they are and have been on the issue.

Combined with the long-term reductions in flight traffic projected, a third runway seems even more unnecessary now.
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16/12/2020 11:02:54 17 30
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Any chance you could cite your sources for the claim regarding flight traffic projections because there's a variance with many results from the most popular search engines regarding long-term air traffic projections and slot demand at Heathrow?
Please help educate those high-maintenance souls like me who don't immediately accept social media posts as the truth and only believe credible papers.
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16/12/2020 11:14:14 39 17
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High carbon travel needs to be abandoned immediately. This expansion is completely at odds with the Paris Climate Agreement. I recommend reading the 2020 paper from Kevin Anderson if you want to read the science for yourself. And watch this interview: https://youtu.be/97e-6-tlZy8
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16/12/2020 11:01:18 71 36
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Our kids will look back in anger at these decisions. Expanding airport capacity - will result in more flights - and more emissions - which will exacerbate climate change. Suicidal bonkers.
100
16/12/2020 11:03:11 5 2
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Queue for a song.
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16/12/2020 12:51:54 5 0
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Cue
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16/12/2020 15:18:12 1 0
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Is that the same queue as it is to get on a plane?