Brexit: UK wants EU trade deal but not 'at any cost' - Boris Johnson
15/12/2020 | news | politics | 2,937
UK and EU negotiators are trying to agree a post-Brexit trade deal by 31 December.
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15/12/2020 15:19:55 8 8
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Wants a deal
But
talks are still "most likely" to end without an agreement

Can someone please translate?
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15/12/2020 15:31:21 4 21
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"We don't understand this sovereignty you speak of"
- EU
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15/12/2020 15:38:28 1 3
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Simples: EU intransigence.
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15/12/2020 15:20:09 64 13
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"Negotiators are racing to strike a deal". Racing since 2016, and likely to be "racing" for many years to come, if EU and UK taxpayers continue paying the negotiators' expenses bills. In any divorce, it is the lawyers who win.
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15/12/2020 15:41:12 76 4
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The same irreconcilable problem remains. UK sovereignty vs EU single market integrity... i.e. can't have your cake and eat it. The last 4 years have been a can kicking exercise
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15/12/2020 16:01:12 2 1
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How many more times. They have been negotiating for 9 months only.
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15/12/2020 15:20:35 16 10
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Hooray, another Brexit HYS. Instead could the Beeb show us some useful preparatory materials like a re-run of 'Passport to Pimlico'?
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15/12/2020 16:15:18 13 12
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Sorry but no. You seem to be confusing the BBC with a useful national braodcaster with British interests at heart and in touch with its public and not.....well enough said.
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15/12/2020 15:20:36 34 28
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Johnson the liar playing chicken with our livelihoods. There is no positive of no deal
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15/12/2020 15:33:54 10 26
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The positive of no deal is that we don't get BRINO at any cost and we can all draw a line under it.
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15/12/2020 15:20:39 29 14
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What a mess!
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15/12/2020 15:35:03 17 38
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Walk away and let the EU clean it up.
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15/12/2020 15:22:24 24 24
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The price the EU wants is far too high.

Many voted to leave because they wanted to vote for their own lawmakers.

The EU seem to want the UK bound to their laws, over which we have no say.
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15/12/2020 15:24:31 20 11
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You want to sell into a market, you have to follow the rules for that market. Its quite simple. Given 40% exports go to the EU only an idiot would want WTO rules that punishes our exporters and us as consumers.
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15/12/2020 15:27:41 0 1
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Will we still be eligible for Eurovision? What can we offer to trade off against that?
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15/12/2020 15:32:27 6 5
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Sigh - it's like trying to teach feral children.

- We wanted to leave the club
- We leave and we lose access
- We left and now we don't have access unless we make some deal that benefits the club obvs.
- When was the last time you expected to get into a members only gym with full access for nothing?

The illiterate arrogance of UK Brexiteers is quite astonishing.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:22:54 21 14
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Is anyone actually being fooled by either side's posturing. There is no deal to be done that can possibly suit everyone, and it is long-past time for the charade to end.
Everyone will be inconvenienced by no deal, but as that is the only solution to the impasse, better both sides agree now and let the World continue (as it inevitably will) buying and selling goods and services in the new era.
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15/12/2020 15:27:10 18 15
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We wont be inconvenienced, our exporters will lose one of their biggest markets overnight as tariffs make their products uncompetitive. At the same time you and me will pay significantly more for what we buy. That is if it is not stuck in transit as freight companies (who know more than Brexiters about trade) says its going to be a disaster. So I will take the deal not a trip to the 40s
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15/12/2020 15:23:12 12 13
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Boris promised an oven ready deal. You even said it would be a failure of statecraft to not get a deal as a rebuttal to remoaner project fear. If its no deal, Boris has to go. This country needs winners not losers. In business if a CEO promised to bring home a deal and did not, they would be gone. Fact is no deal Brexit will cripple this country
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:25:58 8 12
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The oven ready deal he referred to was the WA, which he managed to get signed and ratified. But don't let history distort your facts.
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15/12/2020 15:26:15 1 2
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Blahblahblah
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15/12/2020 15:22:24 24 24
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The price the EU wants is far too high.

Many voted to leave because they wanted to vote for their own lawmakers.

The EU seem to want the UK bound to their laws, over which we have no say.
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15/12/2020 15:24:31 20 11
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You want to sell into a market, you have to follow the rules for that market. Its quite simple. Given 40% exports go to the EU only an idiot would want WTO rules that punishes our exporters and us as consumers.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:28:55 3 1
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We can sell into the same market without a FTA. It is how most trade around the World is conducted.
If BOTH sides want quota and tariff free access to each other's markets, only then do we need a FTA.
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15/12/2020 15:45:20 5 1
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That is always true. We sell to countries throughout the world and have to supply goods that meet the legal requirements in each country, we don’t however have to adopt their laws. Rest of the world sell into the Eu and don’t have to follow their employment laws for example, but their products have to meet Eu standards.
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15/12/2020 16:09:51 3 0
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Fantastic insight! So the EU will be signing up to UK laws then to comply with our market I trust?

Especially given the recent articles where our standards outstrip theirs.

I'll wait.
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15/12/2020 15:24:47 8 9
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I don't believe it. Johnson will do a deal, signs are all there, since he already made a concession on the ratchet clause, which is precisely what the EU's been waiting for.

Now the EU can make a concession about fish, which will do well in the tabloids, and allow Johnson to claim victory. But the result will be a small prize for the UK (the fish) and a major one for the EU (level playing field).
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15/12/2020 15:38:34 1 1
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Both sides will make concessions. Even if the U.K. makes some concessions to get a deal it will still be better than the deal they could have made last week, or indeed a month ago.
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15/12/2020 15:24:52 3 4
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That's exactly what the EU says
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15/12/2020 15:24:56 7 9
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Whether we get a deal before the end of the year or not, we still need a trade deal with the EU, better now that at the end of a long queue. Not one fisherman will lose their job with a deal, the EU are not asking to increase their quota, at worst our fishing industry stands still but most likely it will gain. At worst we all lose.
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15/12/2020 16:19:44 0 0
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99.98% GDP lose out with a No Deal
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15/12/2020 15:25:14 7 6
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Both sides have backed themselves in corners and now its very difficult for both to come looking like they have "won". Neither side now wants to look like they have backed down and given in. The bravado from both sides over the last year has been really destructive to a negotiation that needed to end in a deal (and a good deal for both).
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15/12/2020 15:32:18 2 0
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Did you really expect a deal by now? Both sides know a deal is needed, but still hoping the other will blink first. It will be done at the last possible moment
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15/12/2020 15:23:12 12 13
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Boris promised an oven ready deal. You even said it would be a failure of statecraft to not get a deal as a rebuttal to remoaner project fear. If its no deal, Boris has to go. This country needs winners not losers. In business if a CEO promised to bring home a deal and did not, they would be gone. Fact is no deal Brexit will cripple this country
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:25:58 8 12
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The oven ready deal he referred to was the WA, which he managed to get signed and ratified. But don't let history distort your facts.
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15/12/2020 15:28:42 9 3
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That is complete rubbish. There are countless videos of him claiming he had the whole thing sewn up - not referring to the agreement but a deal. I think everyone is sick of these Brexiter lies.
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:31:21 1 1
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To MVS - But didn't Boris want to break the withdrawal agreement? Which suggests perhaps a desire not to turn the oven on? Or maybe the sell by date had expired?
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TC
15/12/2020 15:31:46 4 2
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That's the current tory narrative. The fact that it is not true bothers them as much as all the other lies.
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15/12/2020 15:34:06 4 1
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Ah. Memory of a goldfish. Maybe that explains the fishy dreams of Brexiters. There are countless examples of the clown spaffing his way through deal promises in dumspter-fire shambolic bluster and buffoonery. Check: read the Tory manifesto from a year ago.
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15/12/2020 15:46:03 1 0
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Obviously you distort the facts as much as your messiah. Johnson stated clearly that his oven ready deal was not the withdrawal agreement. But don't let your blinkered far right views cloud you worshipping the pathological liar.
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15/12/2020 15:23:12 12 13
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Boris promised an oven ready deal. You even said it would be a failure of statecraft to not get a deal as a rebuttal to remoaner project fear. If its no deal, Boris has to go. This country needs winners not losers. In business if a CEO promised to bring home a deal and did not, they would be gone. Fact is no deal Brexit will cripple this country
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15/12/2020 15:26:15 1 2
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Blahblahblah
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15/12/2020 15:26:17 10 11
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As an ardent fan of people who don't know what they are doing, I fully admire Boris Johnson.
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15/12/2020 15:30:22 6 2
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He knows what he is doing. At the moment both sides in the negotiations waiting to see who blinks first. If a deal had been done already it would mean one side hadn’t done their job properly.
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15/12/2020 15:26:56 7 13
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Ho! Ho! Ho ! Johnson will sign off on a deal at some point. This panto just keeps giving. But it's why you voted for him.
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15/12/2020 15:23:52 7 11
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"play by our rules" or else.
That's that then, not much good faith on show from EU. Crawling over broken glass and UK will come begging. The EU mask has slipped.
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15/12/2020 15:30:13 1 1
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Not really. It's "or else obviously you can't expect to keep getting the benefits of totally unfettered access to a club of which you're not a member". The issue is the mechanism and fairness of the process, and it looks like there is some movement on that. The objection is that one side can't be judge and jury alone.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:22:54 21 14
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Is anyone actually being fooled by either side's posturing. There is no deal to be done that can possibly suit everyone, and it is long-past time for the charade to end.
Everyone will be inconvenienced by no deal, but as that is the only solution to the impasse, better both sides agree now and let the World continue (as it inevitably will) buying and selling goods and services in the new era.
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15/12/2020 15:27:10 18 15
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We wont be inconvenienced, our exporters will lose one of their biggest markets overnight as tariffs make their products uncompetitive. At the same time you and me will pay significantly more for what we buy. That is if it is not stuck in transit as freight companies (who know more than Brexiters about trade) says its going to be a disaster. So I will take the deal not a trip to the 40s
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:31:44 7 3
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Blahblahblahbalhblah.
Maybe, just maybe, most exporters have already taken most of this into account, and most trade will continue without most panic stories coming true.
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15/12/2020 15:27:37 9 10
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Are we not forgetting that we paid £350 million a month to have a free trade deal. Now we expect a free trade deal and pay nothing. The UK has to give something, so let it be the fish, not going to harm as many people as a no deal. But I think no del is coming
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15/12/2020 15:35:37 5 2
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Hang on, as the name suggests, free trade should be free. Why should we pay the EU when others don't? How much should EU pay for 'free' trade with UK?
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15/12/2020 16:29:24 0 0
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Especially as we don't eat the type of fish they catch and export 90% of what we do catch
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15/12/2020 15:27:41 11 11
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Let's just get on with it and get out without a trade deal. There will be change, and there will be winners and loosers, but life will go on. Three years from now it will all be behind us, and things will improve. It's been four years since the vote, and we are a democracy and must go with with the majority. There's been too much being dictated to and crawling on broken glass already.
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15/12/2020 15:31:13 1 10
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Democracy my ar$e!
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15/12/2020 15:22:24 24 24
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The price the EU wants is far too high.

Many voted to leave because they wanted to vote for their own lawmakers.

The EU seem to want the UK bound to their laws, over which we have no say.
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15/12/2020 15:27:41 0 1
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Will we still be eligible for Eurovision? What can we offer to trade off against that?
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15/12/2020 17:17:38 1 0
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Yes. Who do you think pays for it?
15/12/2020 21:12:06 0 0
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Hope so, then they can be "Making Their Mind Up"
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15/12/2020 15:27:46 9 9
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He wanted brexit at any cost, so why not a deal at any cost? Seems to me that he just wants to make life as miserable as possible for as many Brits as possible. He needs to be removed - at any cost.
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15/12/2020 15:27:46 5 19
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Might as well go for no deal as a deal is too late to change events on 1st Jan
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15/12/2020 15:30:31 9 4
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If we go no deal have you ever though that everyone will see that project fear was actually project truth and might be angry at the bunch of conniving liars running our country and loudly supported by idiots
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15/12/2020 15:27:47 10 12
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Sounds a lot like Boris is pursuing a no-deal Brexit at 'any cost' given the cataclysmic impact on this country already.

It's what we deserve for voting in a racist, xenophobic charlatan as PM with a proven track record of dishonesty and corruption. We will all soon be waiting to get rid of this govt and cabinet and re-join for our sanity and the good of our children.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:25:58 8 12
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The oven ready deal he referred to was the WA, which he managed to get signed and ratified. But don't let history distort your facts.
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15/12/2020 15:28:42 9 3
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That is complete rubbish. There are countless videos of him claiming he had the whole thing sewn up - not referring to the agreement but a deal. I think everyone is sick of these Brexiter lies.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:33:19 1 3
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As I say, don't let history (or even actual facts) distort your perfect view.
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15/12/2020 15:28:46 10 8
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By repeating that negotiating with the EU would be a walk in the park, by denying the unequal balance of power with the Twenty-Seven, Boris Johnson lied to the British. By claiming that he can get both free access to the European market and the return to full sovereignty, the British Prime Minister has hampered the search for the compromise that is now much needed.
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15/12/2020 15:28:49 29 10
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Even you both want a deal then sort one and stop delaying it.

We've had enough Placebo 'deadlines'
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15/12/2020 15:38:52 11 33
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Canada plus plus plus or bust.
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15/12/2020 15:24:31 20 11
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You want to sell into a market, you have to follow the rules for that market. Its quite simple. Given 40% exports go to the EU only an idiot would want WTO rules that punishes our exporters and us as consumers.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:28:55 3 1
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We can sell into the same market without a FTA. It is how most trade around the World is conducted.
If BOTH sides want quota and tariff free access to each other's markets, only then do we need a FTA.
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15/12/2020 15:29:02 8 8
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I can't see what the problem is as they knew what they were voting for!!!!
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15/12/2020 15:29:22 11 12
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I always believed a good deal was most likely outcome even though the distrust between UK & EU is mutual. However, at this late stage BJ should trust no-one, least of all Merkel [as Cameron found to his cost].
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:38:03 4 1
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BJ doesn't strike me as someone to be trusted.
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15/12/2020 15:30:08 13 24
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No country in EU has experienced sovereignty for 90 years

how can they be expected to understand the concept?
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15/12/2020 15:34:24 8 5
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If we had no sovereignty how come we left on the 1st January. Sounds like you are talking rubbish
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:36:39 1 1
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Yes wait till they see our shiny sovereignty that gives us the right to cease trading with our partners. that will show them!!!
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15/12/2020 15:38:26 1 1
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I don't understand it either. Having a deal means accepting conditions that are imposed by the other side.
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15/12/2020 15:23:52 7 11
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"play by our rules" or else.
That's that then, not much good faith on show from EU. Crawling over broken glass and UK will come begging. The EU mask has slipped.
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15/12/2020 15:30:13 1 1
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Not really. It's "or else obviously you can't expect to keep getting the benefits of totally unfettered access to a club of which you're not a member". The issue is the mechanism and fairness of the process, and it looks like there is some movement on that. The objection is that one side can't be judge and jury alone.
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15/12/2020 16:58:01 0 0
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The French fishermen are demanding full access to UK waters and they are not in the British club. They have threatened to block ports to UK ferries. One side doesn't want to be judge and jury, one side would be satisfied with the ICC International Court of Arbitration
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15/12/2020 15:30:18 8 9
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Take the deal Boris, you were always going to be the taker in this tussle, suck it up and try to pretend it was a victory, failing that blame the EU, the gammons love that sort of stuff. Lets get on with being a rule taker. Leavers you could not make this up, we gave up a seat at the table where we had influence for this crock of poop and most of you have not got the decency to own it, sad so sad
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15/12/2020 15:27:47 10 12
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Sounds a lot like Boris is pursuing a no-deal Brexit at 'any cost' given the cataclysmic impact on this country already.

It's what we deserve for voting in a racist, xenophobic charlatan as PM with a proven track record of dishonesty and corruption. We will all soon be waiting to get rid of this govt and cabinet and re-join for our sanity and the good of our children.
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15/12/2020 15:26:17 10 11
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As an ardent fan of people who don't know what they are doing, I fully admire Boris Johnson.
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15/12/2020 15:30:22 6 2
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He knows what he is doing. At the moment both sides in the negotiations waiting to see who blinks first. If a deal had been done already it would mean one side hadn’t done their job properly.
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15/12/2020 15:35:06 1 0
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There's a massive difference between a person who is competent and a person who is a confident bluffer ... Johnson is the latter, though I suspect he believes himself to be the former.
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15/12/2020 15:27:46 5 19
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Might as well go for no deal as a deal is too late to change events on 1st Jan
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15/12/2020 15:30:31 9 4
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If we go no deal have you ever though that everyone will see that project fear was actually project truth and might be angry at the bunch of conniving liars running our country and loudly supported by idiots
Who Dares Wins - so lets dare to leave without a bad deal and escape the eus plans to control the UK.
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15/12/2020 15:32:58 3 1
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Er...has it occurred to you that Who Dares Wins could be a non-factual cliché?
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15/12/2020 15:35:18 1 0
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A fiendish plan no doubt, hatched by a mad professor in a laboratory on the moon!!

On the other hand, we are leaving a large free trade area in order to .... er something or other. And we don't quite understand what happens when you leave a free trade area.
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15/12/2020 15:31:05 4 12
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Words: No deal is better than a bad deal

Actions: A bad deal is better than no deal.

A betrayal of Brexit as we head to BRINO, but that seems to be the reality unfortunately.
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15/12/2020 15:37:30 0 1
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Pathetic.
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15/12/2020 15:27:41 11 11
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Let's just get on with it and get out without a trade deal. There will be change, and there will be winners and loosers, but life will go on. Three years from now it will all be behind us, and things will improve. It's been four years since the vote, and we are a democracy and must go with with the majority. There's been too much being dictated to and crawling on broken glass already.
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15/12/2020 15:31:13 1 10
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Democracy my ar$e!
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15/12/2020 16:05:45 0 0
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Look it up.
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15/12/2020 15:31:17 2 6
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I was about buying a house in the UK in 2016 and then Brexit mess came. Now, could anyone tell me if it is the right time to exchange all savings from £ to Euro?
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15/12/2020 15:36:13 0 1
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Is that a serious question?! It depends on what your goals are. I would seriously advise you not to take financial advice from anyone here!
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15/12/2020 15:39:21 0 0
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...maybe you should have done the conversion 3 or 4 years ago? Or, if you believe in success of Brexit, wait another 5 years to get the benefit of it.
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15/12/2020 15:41:27 0 0
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Yup
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15/12/2020 15:19:55 8 8
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Wants a deal
But
talks are still "most likely" to end without an agreement

Can someone please translate?
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15/12/2020 15:31:21 4 21
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"We don't understand this sovereignty you speak of"
- EU
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:25:58 8 12
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The oven ready deal he referred to was the WA, which he managed to get signed and ratified. But don't let history distort your facts.
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:31:21 1 1
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To MVS - But didn't Boris want to break the withdrawal agreement? Which suggests perhaps a desire not to turn the oven on? Or maybe the sell by date had expired?
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15/12/2020 15:40:50 0 0
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It was a negotiating tactic. By suggesting it and then giving it up it looks as if he has given a concession, but the reality is that he hasn’t given up anything.
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15/12/2020 15:31:28 3 8
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It really is simple
FISHING - A 3 year transition period where EU reduces its capacity in a planned contraction while the UK rebuilds it's fleet. Saves Dutch and French fighting in French waters.
LAWS - We have copied and pasted current laws into UK law so we are aligned. Future laws belong to either the UK or the EU only.
OVERSIGHT - An independent arbiter neither EU or UK run.
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15/12/2020 15:31:28 16 14
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If the EU doesn't want a country on their borders having a competitive edge over them then one can only assume that they would prefer the UK to be tied into a trade deal.

Well we will see in the next two weeks I suppose.
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15/12/2020 15:33:14 22 7
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Having the competitive edge over 27 nations working together? Come on give me a break.
15/12/2020 21:11:02 0 0
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That's some major codswallop you're talking there.
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15/12/2020 15:27:10 18 15
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We wont be inconvenienced, our exporters will lose one of their biggest markets overnight as tariffs make their products uncompetitive. At the same time you and me will pay significantly more for what we buy. That is if it is not stuck in transit as freight companies (who know more than Brexiters about trade) says its going to be a disaster. So I will take the deal not a trip to the 40s
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:31:44 7 3
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Blahblahblahbalhblah.
Maybe, just maybe, most exporters have already taken most of this into account, and most trade will continue without most panic stories coming true.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:25:58 8 12
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The oven ready deal he referred to was the WA, which he managed to get signed and ratified. But don't let history distort your facts.
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TC
15/12/2020 15:31:46 4 2
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That's the current tory narrative. The fact that it is not true bothers them as much as all the other lies.
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15/12/2020 15:25:14 7 6
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Both sides have backed themselves in corners and now its very difficult for both to come looking like they have "won". Neither side now wants to look like they have backed down and given in. The bravado from both sides over the last year has been really destructive to a negotiation that needed to end in a deal (and a good deal for both).
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15/12/2020 15:32:18 2 0
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Did you really expect a deal by now? Both sides know a deal is needed, but still hoping the other will blink first. It will be done at the last possible moment
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15/12/2020 16:03:12 0 0
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I fear that both now have made so much noise that they cannot make a deal without one side losing face therefore they will end up with no deal. There was no question it would end up going to the wire just it should have been in a much more constructive manner. I also appreciate some of this is for "the cameras" or their own countries view of how their leaders are managing it.
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15/12/2020 15:22:24 24 24
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The price the EU wants is far too high.

Many voted to leave because they wanted to vote for their own lawmakers.

The EU seem to want the UK bound to their laws, over which we have no say.
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15/12/2020 15:32:27 6 5
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Sigh - it's like trying to teach feral children.

- We wanted to leave the club
- We leave and we lose access
- We left and now we don't have access unless we make some deal that benefits the club obvs.
- When was the last time you expected to get into a members only gym with full access for nothing?

The illiterate arrogance of UK Brexiteers is quite astonishing.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:38:01 2 4
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The patronising pomposity of comments like yours are wonderfully funny.
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15/12/2020 16:05:00 1 1
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Well Bojo has mates with 30 days free pass. He can ask Macron for one then Merkel for another, then Rutte 90 days to cosy up to Duda and get some advice on how to remove the rule of law and Press freedoms. Move on to Orban learn to sell off BBC to the Russians make it a state secrete for 30 years like their dodgy Nuke power station. Almost summer time so hit Spain for a free pass next no issues
15/12/2020 21:16:34 0 0
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not really.
Wanted to Leave - Left
Leave and lose access - so do they, which the big 6 EU countries can ill afford to do
We are in transition - trying to finalise a mutually beneficial deal.
Never - when was the last time you expected to follow their rules once you'd left?

Patronising and insulting people who do not agree with you shows a lack of emotional and intellectual maturity.
Who Dares Wins - so lets dare to leave without a bad deal and escape the eus plans to control the UK.
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15/12/2020 15:32:58 3 1
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Er...has it occurred to you that Who Dares Wins could be a non-factual cliché?
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15/12/2020 15:32:25 11 12
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The UK and E.U are like a couple that are breaking up.
But still want to be 'friends with benefits'

For the sake of us all, get on with it!
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15/12/2020 16:15:10 0 0
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FWB? Who's going to "shaft" who?
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15/12/2020 15:31:28 16 14
bbc
If the EU doesn't want a country on their borders having a competitive edge over them then one can only assume that they would prefer the UK to be tied into a trade deal.

Well we will see in the next two weeks I suppose.
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15/12/2020 15:33:14 22 7
bbc
Having the competitive edge over 27 nations working together? Come on give me a break.
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15/12/2020 16:03:49 1 2
bbc
So why are the EU so adamant about it then?
375
15/12/2020 16:20:34 1 4
bbc
You think the other 27 nations are working together?
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15/12/2020 15:28:42 9 3
bbc
That is complete rubbish. There are countless videos of him claiming he had the whole thing sewn up - not referring to the agreement but a deal. I think everyone is sick of these Brexiter lies.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:33:19 1 3
bbc
As I say, don't let history (or even actual facts) distort your perfect view.
54
15/12/2020 15:33:41 15 12
bbc
the E. U. can trust doris, he has the family
values of king henry 8
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15/12/2020 15:36:35 3 4
bbc
Poor Doris
4
15/12/2020 15:20:36 34 28
bbc
Johnson the liar playing chicken with our livelihoods. There is no positive of no deal
55
15/12/2020 15:33:54 10 26
bbc
The positive of no deal is that we don't get BRINO at any cost and we can all draw a line under it.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:25:58 8 12
bbc
The oven ready deal he referred to was the WA, which he managed to get signed and ratified. But don't let history distort your facts.
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15/12/2020 15:34:06 4 1
bbc
Ah. Memory of a goldfish. Maybe that explains the fishy dreams of Brexiters. There are countless examples of the clown spaffing his way through deal promises in dumspter-fire shambolic bluster and buffoonery. Check: read the Tory manifesto from a year ago.
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DG
15/12/2020 15:34:19 72 56
bbc
Macron won't put his name to any deal that does not permit French fishing boats in our waters. As history has shown, the French have wanted everything their way since 1307.
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15/12/2020 15:39:19 63 43
bbc
As history has shown, UK fishermen have had free access to French, Irish, Belgian, Dutch, German and Danish waters for decades.
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15/12/2020 15:39:48 12 9
bbc
Please define our waters? International Law set a Countries territorial waters as the 12 mile limit. So in most cases this means straight down the middle. the only exception being The Minkies (a group of uninhaboted islands about 5 miles off the Brittany coast) so at that point UK territorial waters would include that section of France. You also seem to forget that we are French - 1066
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15/12/2020 16:09:01 12 4
bbc
We let the French fish for us because our narrow UK tastes mean we won't eat around 80% of the catch. How often do you seen herring fillets and gutted sprats on the normal counters in Tesco. Or even the fish counter.

It won't be economic for British fisherman - the British won't eat most of the catch, and the EU will slap hefty export tariffs. May as well let them come and get it.
482
15/12/2020 16:37:30 5 0
bbc
How do the fish know how to stay in UK waters and not stray in to French waters? Are we issuing them passports?
483
15/12/2020 16:37:41 7 0
bbc
Ironic that this week's Sunday Times carries a story about Scottish fishermen hoping to register their boats in Northern Ireland so that they can continue to benefit from from the EU Single Market as if they were NI vessels.
Even fishermen, who were so vociferous about wanting to leave the EU, have belatedly realised what a catastophic mistake Brexit has been.
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15/12/2020 16:53:12 3 0
bbc
You havent studies much history then have you as it shows nothing of the sort. Presumably you take your historical lessons from whatever partisan garbage is thrown up on the pages of the Mail?
15/12/2020 18:50:26 0 0
bbc
We,re catching up, if only from 2016.
16/12/2020 01:34:35 0 0
bbc
???????????????
32
15/12/2020 15:30:08 13 24
bbc
No country in EU has experienced sovereignty for 90 years

how can they be expected to understand the concept?
58
15/12/2020 15:34:24 8 5
bbc
If we had no sovereignty how come we left on the 1st January. Sounds like you are talking rubbish
5
15/12/2020 15:20:39 29 14
bbc
What a mess!
59
15/12/2020 15:35:03 17 38
bbc
Walk away and let the EU clean it up.
163
15/12/2020 15:50:26 5 2
bbc
Brexit wasn't even on the agenda at the last EU meeting. I think they are washing their hands of us.
15/12/2020 21:27:25 1 0
bbc
Wouldn't surprise me if you then blame the EU for not cleaning up the mess you made.
16/12/2020 01:36:35 1 0
bbc
Ignorance personified.
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15/12/2020 15:30:22 6 2
bbc
He knows what he is doing. At the moment both sides in the negotiations waiting to see who blinks first. If a deal had been done already it would mean one side hadn’t done their job properly.
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15/12/2020 15:35:06 1 0
bbc
There's a massive difference between a person who is competent and a person who is a confident bluffer ... Johnson is the latter, though I suspect he believes himself to be the former.
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15/12/2020 15:35:09 108 30
bbc
A deal is easy:
Fishing rights - EU buy a fishing licence from he UK
Government Aid - Agree EU matched government aid on any exports to EU
Policing - 3 judges each from EU Supreme Court and UK Supreme Court
Clearly someone doesn't want a deal to happen to the detriment of both parties.
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15/12/2020 15:46:01 87 9
bbc
Stop being practical and act like a politician.

You need to look for reasons to blame others and how to stop things being done quickly, the longer things take the more career politicians think they look better.
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15/12/2020 15:53:35 5 19
bbc
sounds great but the EU will say no because their pig headed and have to have it all their own way and why because their dictators.
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15/12/2020 15:55:18 17 6
bbc
"Fishing rights - EU buy a fishing licence from he UK"

Those Vessels have already paid once for it.

It is the rouge UK trying to sell it again...
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15/12/2020 16:03:26 11 1
bbc
"Government Aid - Agree EU matched government aid on any exports to EU"

Impossible. I think by now it's pretty clear that the UK wants to diverge from EU regulations. If not, there'd be a deal already.

My feeling is that the UK's government want to give UK's corporations tax exemptions and subsidies that are incompatible with the single market, so it's impossible to reach a deal.
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15/12/2020 16:04:40 9 3
bbc
"fishing licence" was already bought from the UK by EU companies. The government ignoring that suites UK fishermen. Lot of lawsuits from the EU companies in the coming months.
Boris is fooling the EU, wasting Barnier's time. A façade to please both Brexiters (they'll get what they want) and remainers (he's done everything in his power to get a deal But nasty EU didn't want to).
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15/12/2020 16:23:51 3 3
bbc
Andy mate - you don't understand. FFFFIIIISSSSHHHH. No matter that it's unimportant, minor and the fish won't be sold to the French as apparently we need to fight the people we want to sell to with gunboats. Plsu they already have boguht a license. But. FFFFFIIIISSSHHHH. Stop having rationale plans. It's not good for you. (Plus your comment doesn't solve the real problem - single market!)
486
15/12/2020 16:38:23 1 1
bbc
There are many EU boats that already have fishing quotas to UK waters.
882
15/12/2020 17:57:55 2 1
bbc
Eu and others have already bought quotas and licensed.- you want to make them pay again now

Uk judges like USA judges have no say in eu courts

How would you feel with USA eu or any other judges in uk courts

If you want uk judges part of eu courts then remain/rejoin

Govt aid happens now within the rules in uk and eu27. Plenty of examples from banking to manufacturing
15/12/2020 18:53:59 0 0
bbc
Europe suggest a single system of dispute resolution one justice system all disputes resolved.
Johnson proposes each trade area has separate system unique to its trade to resolve disputes.
Johnson has picked perhaps the dumbest most illogical position.
15/12/2020 20:26:18 0 0
bbc
3 judges from UK supreme Court appointed by Johnson. Now why could that happen.
15/12/2020 20:33:00 0 0
bbc
Why does little England get as many judges as the EU?
15/12/2020 20:39:19 0 0
bbc
Hmmm rather simplistic some rules have to be across the board so affects British trade elsewhere. Free trade means exactly that!
15/12/2020 21:02:31 0 0
bbc
EU operators already paid us for the rights to fish in our waters.

Now you want to take back those rights and keep the money.

Remind me not to take your business 101 course.......
16/12/2020 04:29:03 0 0
bbc
You forget that we are negotiating with 27 countries, not one. 450 million people to 66 million. We get to access 27 countries and they access one.
Why would they think that a 50/50 compromise is fair?

BTW, they already bought fishing quotas from us. That is the basis of the fishing problem - we don't want to buy them back or compensate Dutch and French fishermen.
16/12/2020 07:26:04 0 0
bbc
Scotland leave the Union, and England lose a good chunk of fishing waters, imagine English fishermen purchasing fishing rights from Scotland, of course that would be after the EU fishermen have been allocated.

breaking a deal on fish could cost more than England realises as a final deal.
Who Dares Wins - so lets dare to leave without a bad deal and escape the eus plans to control the UK.
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:35:18 1 0
bbc
A fiendish plan no doubt, hatched by a mad professor in a laboratory on the moon!!

On the other hand, we are leaving a large free trade area in order to .... er something or other. And we don't quite understand what happens when you leave a free trade area.
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15/12/2020 15:35:21 13 17
bbc
Hey - we already had the best deal ever imaginable before as well as being 'sovereign'.

It was called being a core member of the EU.

Remind me again why we ever voted to leave? Worse off in EVERY possible way. Oh and we hate each other too now.
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15/12/2020 15:43:48 4 3
bbc
We voted to leave before the EU morphed even further away from its initial idea as a trade block to the United states of Europe.
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tv
15/12/2020 15:48:22 1 0
bbc
Core member . Have you been on the sauce, we have always look in from the outside, France and Germany pull the strings and we have just been mugs until Brexit.
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15/12/2020 15:27:37 9 10
bbc
Are we not forgetting that we paid £350 million a month to have a free trade deal. Now we expect a free trade deal and pay nothing. The UK has to give something, so let it be the fish, not going to harm as many people as a no deal. But I think no del is coming
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15/12/2020 15:35:37 5 2
bbc
Hang on, as the name suggests, free trade should be free. Why should we pay the EU when others don't? How much should EU pay for 'free' trade with UK?
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15/12/2020 15:35:47 9 14
bbc
We already have a free trade deal with the EU, it's called membership of the EU.
As for the racists, the fascists, xenophobes, imperialists, idealogues and those unable to accept the 21st century and that slavery was abolished some time ago, then tough on them. The world is moving on. One tends to get the politicians one deserves and Thatcher, May, Cameron and Johnson appear to confirm this.
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15/12/2020 15:44:10 1 0
bbc
Beware the ides of March my friend
118
15/12/2020 15:44:50 0 0
bbc
I'm sorry but "We already HAD a free trade deal with the EU, it WAS called membership of the EU."
Uk has already left - unfortunately imo.
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15/12/2020 15:44:53 1 0
bbc
I’m sure there were some of the above that voted for Brexit, but bigotry works both ways. If you are so glued to an ideology and believe the EU to be above reproach, then you are no better that the list of people you seem to despise. You can be an extreme leftist as well as extreme right wing, you just sit outside the 90% more moderate population
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tv
15/12/2020 15:47:02 1 1
bbc
You still don’t get it do you ??
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15/12/2020 15:35:51 2 5
bbc
It's a game of CHICKEN but instead of children playing it is (adults?).
They will deside to not-deside until 31 Dec.
Let them get on with their game the public (you) will just have wait and see.
You can't change anything at this stage so belt up and stop moaning.
67
15/12/2020 15:36:01 36 6
bbc
50,000 to deal with E. U. paper work
based in India
508
15/12/2020 16:41:41 21 18
bbc
Explains why Priti Patel is so keen on Brexit then. Jobs for the mother country.
585
15/12/2020 16:54:43 1 0
bbc
Now India will need to deal with even more paperwork hahaha!
68
15/12/2020 15:36:10 9 9
bbc
People are just sniping at each other on this HYS over something that we cannot influence one way or the other Brexit is done and deal or no deal things will be very different..please BBC can we not discuss something else like for instance the forced labour in the cotton fields in China where many are suffering
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:46:24 1 4
bbc
We can influence it longer term. I reckon we will be rejoining eventually.
140
15/12/2020 15:47:30 0 0
bbc
Perhaps Mr Jeremy Corbyn might lend his weight to the plight of the Chinese people imprisoned for their religious or political beliefs for which he would be richly rewarded, as opposed to setting up some kind of cabal to continue with his left wing rhetoric from 17/01/21, which will do nothing other then cause further splinters within the Labour Party.
156
15/12/2020 15:49:08 1 0
bbc
Unfortunately Brexit getting done at exactly the same time as covid arriving has put paid to any thoughts for others. Nice species humans, eh?
276
15/12/2020 16:09:40 1 0
bbc
Spot on.
41
15/12/2020 15:31:17 2 6
bbc
I was about buying a house in the UK in 2016 and then Brexit mess came. Now, could anyone tell me if it is the right time to exchange all savings from £ to Euro?
69
15/12/2020 15:36:13 0 1
bbc
Is that a serious question?! It depends on what your goals are. I would seriously advise you not to take financial advice from anyone here!
54
15/12/2020 15:33:41 15 12
bbc
the E. U. can trust doris, he has the family
values of king henry 8
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15/12/2020 15:36:35 3 4
bbc
Poor Doris
32
15/12/2020 15:30:08 13 24
bbc
No country in EU has experienced sovereignty for 90 years

how can they be expected to understand the concept?
71
Zig
15/12/2020 15:36:39 1 1
bbc
Yes wait till they see our shiny sovereignty that gives us the right to cease trading with our partners. that will show them!!!
72
15/12/2020 15:36:39 9 6
bbc
The thing which I find difficult to understand is that it is the country that imposes the tariffs which is increasing the cost to its people. For example if the U.K. applied a tariff on Irish Beef it is the British consumer that pays the increased cost, and the U.K. Government that pockets the money, so the U.K. overall hasn’t lost out.
116
15/12/2020 15:44:35 11 3
bbc
but brexit was supposed to make things better, not a damage limitation excercise
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eL
15/12/2020 15:44:49 2 0
bbc
Nor the Caymans.
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:45:26 2 1
bbc
It leads to inefficiency in the longer term as British beef producers don't need to be competitively priced compared with others selling in to the UK. So over time your British Beef will become less efficiently produced and so more expensive.
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15/12/2020 15:51:03 1 0
bbc
It's an attack on Irish Beef farmers, who will find it harder to export.

Of course there will be a retaliation, and thel result is farmers being penalised for exporting and going to the wall. Same with welsh lamb being exported to the continent.
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15/12/2020 16:07:26 0 1
bbc
Supposed to protect our own beef, in fact it is as you say just another Government Scam to increase Tax revenue. They are all at it.
73
15/12/2020 15:36:56 4 6
bbc
"Not at any cost". What is the cost of not having a trade deal?
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:41:26 3 3
bbc
Some costs for you - Lost jobs, lower GDP, reduced freedom to travel, live and work in other European countries.

Time for a bit of honesty. Did anyone vote Brexit thinking we would be better off financially?
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CDB
15/12/2020 15:44:09 0 0
bbc
To start with a £3 billion cost to the consumer in tariffs
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eL
15/12/2020 15:44:21 1 0
bbc
Just little people. Well, any non-ERG really.
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tv
15/12/2020 15:45:14 0 2
bbc
Sovereignty
39
15/12/2020 15:31:05 4 12
bbc
Words: No deal is better than a bad deal

Actions: A bad deal is better than no deal.

A betrayal of Brexit as we head to BRINO, but that seems to be the reality unfortunately.
74
15/12/2020 15:37:30 0 1
bbc
Pathetic.
75
15/12/2020 15:37:53 4 15
bbc
Which side is most fearful that 1st January will be uneventful?
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eL
15/12/2020 15:43:43 0 1
bbc
'leave'- at a casual glance ?
76
15/12/2020 15:37:58 5 7
bbc
If its 1 fish the cost is far to high
90
15/12/2020 15:40:20 2 3
bbc
you right the price of cod at the chippy !
130
CDB
15/12/2020 15:46:19 0 0
bbc
I think you mean the respect the 29 (Population) or 37 (Electorate)
136
15/12/2020 15:46:59 0 0
bbc
Lunacy in action
49
15/12/2020 15:32:27 6 5
bbc
Sigh - it's like trying to teach feral children.

- We wanted to leave the club
- We leave and we lose access
- We left and now we don't have access unless we make some deal that benefits the club obvs.
- When was the last time you expected to get into a members only gym with full access for nothing?

The illiterate arrogance of UK Brexiteers is quite astonishing.
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:38:01 2 4
bbc
The patronising pomposity of comments like yours are wonderfully funny.
31
15/12/2020 15:29:22 11 12
bbc
I always believed a good deal was most likely outcome even though the distrust between UK & EU is mutual. However, at this late stage BJ should trust no-one, least of all Merkel [as Cameron found to his cost].
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:38:03 4 1
bbc
BJ doesn't strike me as someone to be trusted.
32
15/12/2020 15:30:08 13 24
bbc
No country in EU has experienced sovereignty for 90 years

how can they be expected to understand the concept?
79
15/12/2020 15:38:26 1 1
bbc
I don't understand it either. Having a deal means accepting conditions that are imposed by the other side.
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:53:18 0 0
bbc
St Vitus - do you take that view when buying your groceries or at a job interview? Were the groceries or the job requirements 'imposed' on you?
1
15/12/2020 15:19:55 8 8
bbc
Wants a deal
But
talks are still "most likely" to end without an agreement

Can someone please translate?
80
15/12/2020 15:38:28 1 3
bbc
Simples: EU intransigence.
317
15/12/2020 16:15:37 1 0
bbc
That'd be the EU that we told we didn't want to play with anymore, and they aren't falling over themselves to be helpful?

Why is anyone with more than 3/16ths of a brain cell surprised by that....
81
15/12/2020 15:38:31 19 17
bbc
I don't buy ANYTHING from the EU. All is made in China or Morocco or Turkey or Vietnam. But Australian wine, Argentine beef, New Zealand lamb, Norwegian fish. No trade agreement needed.
92
15/12/2020 15:40:53 5 11
bbc
car ?
99
eL
15/12/2020 15:42:41 5 1
bbc
But you are a fictitious character, who to believe ? ? ? ?
100
15/12/2020 15:42:45 9 1
bbc
liar
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15/12/2020 15:42:53 11 0
bbc
That is great for you but that doesn't help British Manufacturing Industry; they currently trade freely without tariffs. If you consider the lifecycle of something like a BMW Mini or an Airbus Aircraft the relevant parts transfer between the UK and EU multiple times. Unlike you, International Trade isn't simple.
104
15/12/2020 15:43:42 13 1
bbc
The Covid vaccine is made in Belgium. Nuff said!
133
15/12/2020 15:46:32 6 0
bbc
Some people eat a varied diet. You should try it some time.
148
15/12/2020 15:48:08 1 5
bbc
the last joint of beef I bought came from Ukraine as for cars I will stick with Japan because their cars work unlike the French
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:49:40 3 1
bbc
Vaccines?
203
15/12/2020 15:58:44 4 0
bbc
To think that it's all fine because, personally, for you, you don't buy EU made products. Quite small minded really.
You think it doesn't affect you, but in reality it does, you just don't realise it. You know just because a product doesn't say "made in EU" on it, doesn't mean that there is no involvement from an EU company somewhere in the supply chain. UK also exports A LOT to the UK.
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15/12/2020 16:01:07 0 1
bbc
Gammon and stinky fish
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15/12/2020 16:07:32 4 0
bbc
Well, that is your prerogative and you can try and do this even without Brexit. Why do you want to force everything to do the same. Also, your carbon footprint may be rather high if you don't try to buy local or from your nearer neighbours. That's BJ's carbon ambitions for the UK out of the window...
721
15/12/2020 17:20:35 1 0
bbc
HP sauce? most of the margarines sold in the uk are made in the EU. Dolmio pasta sauces. lots of yogurts are made in the EU. fresh fruits and vegetables. the list goes on and on. a bit like you do.
10
15/12/2020 15:24:47 8 9
bbc
I don't believe it. Johnson will do a deal, signs are all there, since he already made a concession on the ratchet clause, which is precisely what the EU's been waiting for.

Now the EU can make a concession about fish, which will do well in the tabloids, and allow Johnson to claim victory. But the result will be a small prize for the UK (the fish) and a major one for the EU (level playing field).
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15/12/2020 15:38:34 1 1
bbc
Both sides will make concessions. Even if the U.K. makes some concessions to get a deal it will still be better than the deal they could have made last week, or indeed a month ago.
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15/12/2020 15:53:38 1 0
bbc
True David, which is why it's in Johnson's interest to wait as long as he possibly can, since he's not only dealing with the EU but also with the ERG. That said, it can only possibly be a flimsy mitigating deal at this point.
83
15/12/2020 15:38:38 4 4
bbc
if doris pulls it of he is guaranteed free
breakfasts for life at spoons
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15/12/2020 15:28:49 29 10
bbc
Even you both want a deal then sort one and stop delaying it.

We've had enough Placebo 'deadlines'
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15/12/2020 15:38:52 11 33
bbc
Canada plus plus plus or bust.
15/12/2020 19:13:08 1 0
bbc
We will be..matter of fact. after covid. we will be anyway
15/12/2020 23:48:43 1 0
bbc
Canada Deal does not include "services"
80% of UK economy is "services"
Additionally Canada has VAST mineral wealth of value to the EU
We just have "services"
So I think you were spot on with 'bust'
85
15/12/2020 15:39:11 141 20
bbc
Back in 2018, both Theresa May and Michel Barnier stated "Brexit deal is 90% done". Indeed, it was that led to the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement by both the UK and EU Parliaments.

Over 2yrs later and the headlines read "we are 90% of the way there"

Come on folks - what are these politicians, senior civil servants and specialist consultants being paid for - it is certainly not success!
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15/12/2020 15:48:05 177 92
bbc
This is planned by the ERG.

They know exactly what they are doing, by not agreeing to obvious fairness.

The sharp shock of importing failing for 1 month in January 2021 will be a test to see if the public will accept the problem.

These sick individuals don't care about those who will have little food due to import blocking.
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15/12/2020 16:02:15 35 8
bbc
Spot on, we have not progressed since Theresa was PM and we've pretty much moved back into that terrible deal that Boris didn't like even though he is in charge of it now.

Boris also can't tell us a proper reason other than fish, which is not a big enough cost to be a reason to throw away a deal
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JB
15/12/2020 16:07:27 6 8
bbc
Is the Withdrawel Agreement not 100% done now then?
501
15/12/2020 16:40:34 4 22
bbc
Did you expect any less? And NO that's not a criticise of Boris, I don't think anybody else could have done any better, when was the last time the EU addressed an issue promptly? Never!

Just be thankful Corbin wasn't in charge!!!
535
15/12/2020 16:46:13 8 1
bbc
Brexit is 100% done. Trade deal after transition whilst a consequence of Brexit is completely different.
790
15/12/2020 17:34:22 7 0
bbc
Civil servants advise, and act on the politicians instructions.
Don't blame them.
15/12/2020 18:59:39 1 0
bbc
stupid init
16/12/2020 00:50:57 1 1
bbc
Shiver me timbers.
The so called deal May & Barnier talked about was simply a watered down version of the EU status quo keeping the UK permanently under the thumb of the bureaucrats in Brussels without any of the benefits the other EU nations had. Thank god May got ousted her whole intention from the outset was to keep the UK irrevocably tied to the EU. It has taken Boris to finish this mess.
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DG
15/12/2020 15:34:19 72 56
bbc
Macron won't put his name to any deal that does not permit French fishing boats in our waters. As history has shown, the French have wanted everything their way since 1307.
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15/12/2020 15:39:19 63 43
bbc
As history has shown, UK fishermen have had free access to French, Irish, Belgian, Dutch, German and Danish waters for decades.
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15/12/2020 16:16:18 1 5
bbc
Those waters are worth nothing
404
15/12/2020 16:25:28 1 13
bbc
Good we earned it in WW2
470
15/12/2020 16:35:55 14 0
bbc
So back to this fish fetish again. Who cares? The sex toy industry is the same size as our fish industry but we dont have Farage waving wobby things do we? Fact is closest fishing Brexiters come to is visiting their fish and chip shop and eating Icelandic cod :-)
570
15/12/2020 16:52:24 1 1
bbc
But you are NOT being truly neutral Sir. As even the Remoan BBC highlighted only 3 nights ago in its research, that it now chooses to keep quiet ... don't you love Aunty: 23% of all UK's allowed fishing quota in any given year is caught by YES 1 Dutch super trawler and land exclusively in Holland, never the UK.
716
15/12/2020 17:19:13 0 1
bbc
Unfortunately for the EU states, most of the fish is in the UK's international waters. Over the last 47 years, we have sacrificed the UK fishing fleet to allow European trawlers to take 80% of fish from our waters, sheer stupidity.
740
15/12/2020 17:23:51 0 1
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But UK fishermen are not trying to hang on to access to other countries' fishing grounds in the future.
15/12/2020 20:34:34 0 0
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am struggerling to find the fishing waters around belgiam and germany? the rest have no stocks.
15/12/2020 20:54:44 0 0
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the only thing i am looking for is the tonnage the uk fishermen have taken out of belgian waters?
41
15/12/2020 15:31:17 2 6
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I was about buying a house in the UK in 2016 and then Brexit mess came. Now, could anyone tell me if it is the right time to exchange all savings from £ to Euro?
87
15/12/2020 15:39:21 0 0
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...maybe you should have done the conversion 3 or 4 years ago? Or, if you believe in success of Brexit, wait another 5 years to get the benefit of it.
88
15/12/2020 15:39:29 10 3
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I see that “exit Brexit” has been replaced with demands for brexiteers to “own this mess”

And who would have thought that slogans would catch on
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eL
15/12/2020 15:41:50 10 6
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Own Your Mess.
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DG
15/12/2020 15:34:19 72 56
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Macron won't put his name to any deal that does not permit French fishing boats in our waters. As history has shown, the French have wanted everything their way since 1307.
89
15/12/2020 15:39:48 12 9
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Please define our waters? International Law set a Countries territorial waters as the 12 mile limit. So in most cases this means straight down the middle. the only exception being The Minkies (a group of uninhaboted islands about 5 miles off the Brittany coast) so at that point UK territorial waters would include that section of France. You also seem to forget that we are French - 1066
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15/12/2020 16:03:03 4 7
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When will the French apologise to us for their illegal land grab and making us part of their empire in 1066?!

Thought I'd try to flip reverse the flavour-du-jour for those that rail on the UK and her ex-Empire;)
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15/12/2020 16:39:15 2 1
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1066? That was the Normans, who were not French. And 1066 did not make us Norman either, especially not through to modern times.
15/12/2020 18:54:16 0 0
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Some of our ancestors were here before 1066. some even before the English arrived.
15/12/2020 21:08:17 0 0
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tell the french that their waters are12 miles, perhaps the japanease?
15/12/2020 21:09:55 0 0
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so what it french for grumpy old man?
76
15/12/2020 15:37:58 5 7
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If its 1 fish the cost is far to high
90
15/12/2020 15:40:20 2 3
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you right the price of cod at the chippy !
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:31:21 1 1
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To MVS - But didn't Boris want to break the withdrawal agreement? Which suggests perhaps a desire not to turn the oven on? Or maybe the sell by date had expired?
91
15/12/2020 15:40:50 0 0
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It was a negotiating tactic. By suggesting it and then giving it up it looks as if he has given a concession, but the reality is that he hasn’t given up anything.
81
15/12/2020 15:38:31 19 17
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I don't buy ANYTHING from the EU. All is made in China or Morocco or Turkey or Vietnam. But Australian wine, Argentine beef, New Zealand lamb, Norwegian fish. No trade agreement needed.
92
15/12/2020 15:40:53 5 11
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car ?
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MVS
15/12/2020 15:48:04 1 7
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Since 1980 I have owned 6 Renaults. Replaced my Clio in October with a Japanese manufactured car deliberately to avoid an EU made one.
856
15/12/2020 17:51:51 0 0
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Like many people I am giving mine up. Sorry to say a UK boycott of EU produce and cars would hurt. People are getting pretty pissed off with the EU, even those who held their noses and voted Remain. Boris ONLY got an most unexpected landslide victory because Labour and the LDs went anti democratic
2
15/12/2020 15:20:09 64 13
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"Negotiators are racing to strike a deal". Racing since 2016, and likely to be "racing" for many years to come, if EU and UK taxpayers continue paying the negotiators' expenses bills. In any divorce, it is the lawyers who win.
93
15/12/2020 15:41:12 76 4
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The same irreconcilable problem remains. UK sovereignty vs EU single market integrity... i.e. can't have your cake and eat it. The last 4 years have been a can kicking exercise
228
15/12/2020 16:03:18 4 17
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4 years of remain Parliament doing the kicking and 9 months of EU refusal to recognise the UK left their Club.
R1
15/12/2020 21:09:00 0 0
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So what is your solution given the UK has left the EU ?
73
15/12/2020 15:36:56 4 6
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"Not at any cost". What is the cost of not having a trade deal?
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Zig
15/12/2020 15:41:26 3 3
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Some costs for you - Lost jobs, lower GDP, reduced freedom to travel, live and work in other European countries.

Time for a bit of honesty. Did anyone vote Brexit thinking we would be better off financially?
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tv
15/12/2020 15:46:04 0 2
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52% did . Even on WTO Brexit will be a great success .
41
15/12/2020 15:31:17 2 6
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I was about buying a house in the UK in 2016 and then Brexit mess came. Now, could anyone tell me if it is the right time to exchange all savings from £ to Euro?
95
15/12/2020 15:41:27 0 0
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Yup
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eL
15/12/2020 15:41:30 3 3
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Any UK situation best dealt with by competent government.

Oh dear.
88
15/12/2020 15:39:29 10 3
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I see that “exit Brexit” has been replaced with demands for brexiteers to “own this mess”

And who would have thought that slogans would catch on
97
eL
15/12/2020 15:41:50 10 6
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Own Your Mess.
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15/12/2020 15:53:11 2 0
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A nice 3 word slogan that Brexiteers are capable of remembering.

I love it!
98
15/12/2020 15:42:31 4 5
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it will go into next year
81
15/12/2020 15:38:31 19 17
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I don't buy ANYTHING from the EU. All is made in China or Morocco or Turkey or Vietnam. But Australian wine, Argentine beef, New Zealand lamb, Norwegian fish. No trade agreement needed.
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eL
15/12/2020 15:42:41 5 1
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But you are a fictitious character, who to believe ? ? ? ?
81
15/12/2020 15:38:31 19 17
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I don't buy ANYTHING from the EU. All is made in China or Morocco or Turkey or Vietnam. But Australian wine, Argentine beef, New Zealand lamb, Norwegian fish. No trade agreement needed.
100
15/12/2020 15:42:45 9 1
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liar