'Game changer' Covid tests for secondary schools in January
15/12/2020 | news | education | 535
Secondary-school pupils in England who have been in contact with a positive case will have daily tests.
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15/12/2020 14:03:56 112 20
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Gavin Williamson. Hahaha has to be up there with the very worst of ‘politicians’ we’ve ever had.
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15/12/2020 14:43:19 27 10
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Every day, in every way, he's getting better.

Oooh, Betty!
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15/12/2020 15:13:42 1 10
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Have you had a look at the current Labour front bench under Starmer. Or the one under Corbyn, or the one under Brown, or Blair’s crew, or Kinnock’s? There’s a lot of choice right there.
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15/12/2020 15:39:35 2 0
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& yet Boris make Williamson look competent and capable.
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15/12/2020 16:01:06 5 0
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Williamson threatened legal action against schools trying to ensure pupils aren't carrying Covid when they give Nan and Gramps a Christmas hug next week (whilst said schools run 'test-and-trace' for their staff and students, but that's a different 'Where did £12bn go??' story).

And yet... 'Oh, but Corbyn! Oh, but Starmer!'
They'd have had to try darn hard to do a worse job than dear old Gav.
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15/12/2020 14:06:49 35 2
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This is more about keeping kids in school and their parents at work.

Currently if a pupil is a 'contact' they should be staying home for 10 days in case they have caught it.

The result will be fewer off school but more catching COVID if these tests are not fast and accurate.
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15/12/2020 14:22:03 20 5
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And they’re definitely not as accurate. They are fast, but fail to detect 30% of symptomatic cases and at least 50% of asymptomatic ones.
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15/12/2020 20:33:20 0 0
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Kids that have been told to isolate don’t, that’s the issue all with the parents consent, see it day in day out.
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15/12/2020 14:08:39 3 9
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My goodness....tests at schools......are the Unions aware?
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15/12/2020 14:09:57 5 7
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I thought school kids weren't a threat because they can't catch this thing and become infectious to others ... surely the "experts" haven't got it wrong again have they ? Perhaps there are too many self styled experts out there who really aren't as expert as they claim they are. I blame the education system ...
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15/12/2020 14:33:31 9 1
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The experts are well aware how much children spread this thing, however the politicians twist the truth because they cant afford parents of kids being at home and not working.

Basically they are sacrificing teachers h&s to keep the economy going.
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15/12/2020 14:10:28 42 16
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Anyone with half a brain should have seen teenagers as the carriers of this virus.
If I go out I usually see groups of 6 or more gathered together without masks, talking and messing around. No one bothers to police this, so it just perpetuates the virus. Who knows how many people they pass it on to, going from one group to another.
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15/12/2020 14:28:31 16 17
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Where is your evidence for this? I have seen nothing that shows teenagers are higher risk that other groups, they certainly have low risk of serious disease.
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15/12/2020 14:31:44 7 1
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Not just teenagers. You may get some of them to act responsibly, but how about junior schools. You've got about as much chance as herding cats.
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15/12/2020 15:01:38 9 7
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They are just making the most of their youth, you had yours right?
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15/12/2020 16:16:26 2 2
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The same pub bores you see banking on about wearing nappies and attending anti lock down marches because their freedom has been curtailed ?
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15/12/2020 14:11:01 137 30
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As a teacher in Kent off with confirmed covid (its bad) we need to be better protected ...new strain perhaps but it shot through our school I know at least 7 staff and 30+ students confirmed went from fantastic attendance to closed in 7 days & online. our protection a face mask in corridors and nothing in a classroom packed with 28 teenagers . No one else has same conditions of work ..sod off gov
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15/12/2020 14:36:04 66 20
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I feel your pain. My sister retired as head of primary school, returned a year later as a volunteer. Another year on started class teaching two days a week. Now due to her experience and fact that head teacher, deputy, two other teachers, some support staff and a clutch of pupils are in isolation, she has stepped up to run school. I worry that she too, will succumb to covid. Government don't care.
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15/12/2020 14:40:36 24 0
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Get well soon. Schools are a really difficult one and I feel sorry to children who've had their educations constantly interrupted the last nine months and will be paying for the lockdown for the rest of their lives. On the other hand, we need to keep teachers safe and if memory serves correct the second wave really took off when the schools went back. No easy answers at all.
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15/12/2020 15:07:29 6 23
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'No one else has same conditions of work'. Good one!

Also, can't blame government for what you also cite as bad ideas. Nothing stops your school from implementing the safety measures it wants to.

Want masks at all times? Do it, then. No rule prohibiting it.
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15/12/2020 16:49:03 10 0
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Exactly. I'm vulnerable but have to face a class full of kids everyday. The govt say classrooms are covid safe. All I have is a mask and a bottle of sanitiser to wipe down the tables. It's a joke.
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15/12/2020 16:54:03 0 0
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So the wearing of masks is completely pointless as I suspected, otherwise if you were following the guidance it would have been stopped in its tracks.
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15/12/2020 17:00:44 3 0
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Get well soon. How can anyone have voted this down? There is huge pressure on schools to run classrooms without masks. Social distancing is negligible (my kids sit on a bus of 60 for an hour a day, with no spare seat). It is obvious this was going to happen - now, these young people, will carry the virus to their homes and the homes of relatives. The idea of "covidsafe" workplaces is nonsense.
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15/12/2020 17:10:45 1 0
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Couldn't agree more!! Hope you get better soon...
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15/12/2020 19:30:14 1 6
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You’re so fake
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15/12/2020 20:08:31 1 3
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Problem was during first lockdown there wasn’t much in the way of zoom teaching for kids, all my three children (all different schools) it was left to the parents!!! Why was this?? Why can’t teachers do zoom classes at home??? Can’t expect working parents to do teachers work, whilst teachers get full pay. Hence why this time around government are making teachers work for their money!!!
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15/12/2020 14:11:06 165 20
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Michael Gove told us schools were safe and there was no risk to students or teachers...
Let’s be honest the virus is rampant between school age kids and that’s bound to be feeding community transmission. Maybe that’s a price we are willing to pay to keep children in school but be honest.
Shutting schools 10 days before all these children go and hug Nan and Grandad must be a good idea surely?
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15/12/2020 15:04:03 48 19
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How believes anything Gove utters?
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Bob
15/12/2020 15:05:46 4 9
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Depends on the area, to be honest.

Some areas the virus is spreading highly among 10-14 and 15-19 age groups, others are not. They've just added this data to the dashboard if you want to view your area.

When you consider schools have been back for months now, who knows the cause. School life, or social life?
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15/12/2020 15:12:42 2 0
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On the Hackney website where infection rates are put for Hackney & City of London, infection rates for 10-19 ages went up 85% in the last week, and 87% for ages 0-9.
Though for some bizarre and illogical reason the week end periods were changed as if to make it more difficult to make comparisons. Also particularly with City of London, the figures from the previous period were changed.
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15/12/2020 15:12:44 7 6
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The only way that works is by you all self-isolating for those 10 days or locking your child in their room for that time.

Either way it is a silly idea so perhaps just don't hug them yet if you trully care.
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15/12/2020 15:11:29 4 34
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I’m sure the left wing teaching unions will find a way to try and wreck this plan. The NEU already teeing up.
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Ben
15/12/2020 15:21:18 18 1
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If Gove believes this why won’t the government publish school Covid stats for students and staff, by region? They claim they don’t know but like all the lies about the exam fiasco that have just been revealed, they are lying.
Reveal the true figures and then ask Gove how safe it is.
Maybe I shouldn’t get bothered - it’s only people’s lives.
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15/12/2020 15:28:41 12 1
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Gove talks #£&@
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15/12/2020 16:09:22 1 18
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Shutting schools have the kids wandering around towns, potentially spreading the virus. At least they are in a contained area at school
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15/12/2020 16:13:48 1 5
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There is no such thing as NO RISK and I am sure that Gove didn't say this. Schools are due to close on Thursday so even if they all closed tomorrow that's only 3 extra days max.
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15/12/2020 16:23:24 10 1
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Definitely. I contracted Covid at the end of September and am still recovering. I lived alone in a remote area with no immediate neighbours. However, I teach in a FE college where masks, physical distancing, and reduced numbers are still not required by Government in the classroom.
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15/12/2020 16:26:10 4 0
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Meanwhile in the North of England, schools have remained open throughout many months of Tier2/3 restrictions and infection rate and R have been successfully and dramatically reduced. Maybe the South of England could look North for once and learn something!! Reading the media headlines today, you would think high and rising rates of infection in an area of England is something new.....
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15/12/2020 16:29:59 3 5
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The truth of the matter is Covid is of very little risk to those under 50 and who are not immunocompromised. If you are over 50 and worried then it's down to you to isolate and protect yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54908177
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15/12/2020 16:49:42 0 11
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As children and their parents are all under 60 - then yes risk is pretty minimal.
Do teachers need to get that close for that long that often ?

Maybe teach from behind a plastic screen like checkouts, or if all else fails get a 2m long cane.
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15/12/2020 16:51:39 1 9
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Let's be honest, virtually no kids or teachers have been seriously ill from covid in 2020. They deserve to get a proper education so that they can have better future prosperity and then pay the trillion debt off that oldies are leaving them over the rest of their lives..
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15/12/2020 16:57:40 2 1
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Should it not be up to the families if the kiddies and grandparents want to take the risk and hug?
I wish people would do their own research instead of just accepting what they are been told by the government and the media who do not question anything, job of a journalist, but simply regurgitate the government fear mongering.
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15/12/2020 16:59:31 0 5
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Rampant in school age kids?

All I see is then sending every kid home because they have been near a kid with a symptom
Virtually all negative and little actually confirmed cases
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15/12/2020 17:28:09 0 5
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To be fair, the risk is minimal. There's a huge difference between testing positive for COVID and actually suffering any ill affect from it.

Rather than shutting schools for 10 days If Nan and Grandad are that concerned they should just stay away from their grand kids over Christmas. I'm sure most would agree that their grandchildren's education has had enough disruption already this year
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15/12/2020 18:55:53 4 0
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Gove is a facile, vacuous Norbert!! Just look at the way he defended Cummings after that sojourn to Barnard Castle !!
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15/12/2020 20:35:31 2 0
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Not the price I was willing to pay.. what would 1 year off school would have meant when they have a lifetime still to go. It is absolutely clear to everyone , except the idiots and their advisers, that the spread now is wholly down to schools. Hundreds of households freely mixing 9-4 then heading home..brilliant. Further covid deaths, the destruction of the economy and mass redundancy worth it?
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16/12/2020 13:53:20 0 0
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You equate rampant infections with dangerous outcomes. In, California more children have died of influenza than covid, and no under 12's. This cold virus, similar to SARS-CoV-1, and 30-50% of the populations already have immunity. You assume the testing does not produce a significant number false positives; it does. Put you scaremongering fallacies together and you get rampant alarmist comments.
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15/12/2020 14:11:06 3 3
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Empty words.

Where are the figures on capability and percentage of students they can test? Where is the support for families when the whole household has to isolate?
Yet more exposure to a high risk scenario without any facts about how they will solve the problems it causes.

Where is your risk assessment Mr Secretary? And can we hold YOU responsible when it's proved inadequate.
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15/12/2020 14:11:16 23 14
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'Although 15% of pupils were out of school last week, the latest figures show 0.2% of pupils were confirmed Covid cases' .
0.2%....... Is that all ???????? Sledge hammer and nut come to mind.
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15/12/2020 14:15:19 28 15
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12 positive cases at my daughters 6th form school this week. She does not feel safe at school and prefers to learn online from home - so do I.
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15/12/2020 14:16:29 5 5
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No it is the insidious nature of infection. Yes 0.2%, but how can you confidently say who does and doesn't have it are you willing to put people at risk? At what cost? We need to track and trace all close contacts, this isn't happening, hence why it is spreading.
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15/12/2020 14:26:12 2 3
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Overall 0.2% maybe but current data for England is 1case per 50 or 2000 per 100k, which is 10x more than the rest of the population, this is why its in the news.
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15/12/2020 15:16:13 0 0
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So out of (say) 1000 pupils, 150 are at home, 2 are infected - seems fine. There are four main reasons why pupil's might be at home due to covid:
1. They are positive.
2. They are exposed and self isolating.
3. The school cannot maintain staffing levels, due to staff being exposed or positive.
4. So many self isolating, the school has decided it's more consistent if the whole year stay home.
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15/12/2020 15:18:33 1 2
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0.2% of pupils is an infection rate of 2 per 1000, 20 per 10,000, and 200 per 100,000. Using government criteria that would mean schools should be in Tier 3. Remember that rate is a calculation based on incomplete testing. What would it be if there was the widespread testing of students that many have been asking for? The evidence is therefore that pupils do spread the disease. It's a virus.
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15/12/2020 14:13:46 57 12
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My son is the only kid in his class. He had a follow up X-ray last Monday and someone attended with a positive test. On Tuesday his entire “bubble” including teachers were sent home but he was told to remain despite being in contact with all of them on Tuesday and the infected on Friday. He’s now been moved up a year to another bubble until end of term.

The plans have more holes than Swiss cheese
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15/12/2020 15:35:45 24 12
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that is your school's plan; if you disagree you should raise it with the school governors who have the power to change it - not sure posting on the BBC would have any impact otherwise.
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15/12/2020 16:39:33 5 1
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Well home school them then!. You’ve banged on about having a lockdown like an obsessive every time on these forums. If you don’t like your schools plans then don’t send your kids. It’s that easy.
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15/12/2020 14:14:47 11 6
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I expect that this new strain will be the reason given by SG and WM why school kids are now among the highest increases in +ve cases SINCE that goes agaisnt the nonsense they have been spouting since day one that schools and school kids are safe and conveniently BLAMED Hospitality, Students, Holidaymakers ... schools just a babysitting service putting kids and teachers health and safety at risk
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15/12/2020 14:15:04 15 13
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schools should be closed this week. kids are super spreaders and everyone knows it.
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15/12/2020 14:25:30 2 8
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fake news
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15/12/2020 14:11:16 23 14
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'Although 15% of pupils were out of school last week, the latest figures show 0.2% of pupils were confirmed Covid cases' .
0.2%....... Is that all ???????? Sledge hammer and nut come to mind.
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15/12/2020 14:15:19 28 15
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12 positive cases at my daughters 6th form school this week. She does not feel safe at school and prefers to learn online from home - so do I.
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15/12/2020 14:26:26 3 11
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So do teachers. They can watch Netflix
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15/12/2020 14:58:31 8 7
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With respect, if she's in the 6th form, she's on the threshold of going out onto the big wide world where she will have to take her chance like the rest of us. Are you going to stop her going to work in the future, just because it suits you ??
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15/12/2020 15:17:07 2 1
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Of course a few days at home for your sixth form daughter is a bit different from closing all schools.

Suddenly parents would be off work again and students would lose out from an educational and mental point of view.

But if you disagree or have the time/resources then trucency fines been stopped so you have that right.
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15/12/2020 14:11:16 23 14
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'Although 15% of pupils were out of school last week, the latest figures show 0.2% of pupils were confirmed Covid cases' .
0.2%....... Is that all ???????? Sledge hammer and nut come to mind.
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15/12/2020 14:16:29 5 5
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No it is the insidious nature of infection. Yes 0.2%, but how can you confidently say who does and doesn't have it are you willing to put people at risk? At what cost? We need to track and trace all close contacts, this isn't happening, hence why it is spreading.
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15/12/2020 14:16:50 6 9
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Here we go again the media looking to shape the way we live, when the headlines are running out they create them telling people the growing demand from the public to close schools and stop Xmas visiting I know of nobody that is demanding or panicking but they seem to please stop your destroying everybody's lives and livelihoods.
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15/12/2020 14:22:42 7 4
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Here we go again. Complaints about the media (BBC) when it doesn't report what you want it to.
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15/12/2020 14:32:31 0 0
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Its sells papers and hits, hence making money for them.
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15/12/2020 14:14:40 129 24
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Covid does not exist in:-

Schools
4 star hotels
Barnard Castle
Wherever Boris Dad goes on holiday
Gyms in London
Kay Burleys mates houses
Surrey
America
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15/12/2020 14:30:46 114 3
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You forgot Rita Ora's parties.
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15/12/2020 15:20:04 5 5
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And I've found a cure for it!
Turn the TV off and stop reading the news and the world looks pretty normal.
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15/12/2020 15:26:53 2 13
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I think you’ll find it does. Oh, wait......you were making a sarcastic dig as an attempt at comedy.
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15/12/2020 16:00:33 7 0
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Or Scottish MPs travelling into London after a test (which could only lawfully be taken then after displaying symptoms) and after a positive test (who listens to them) returning from London across the length of England back to Scotland.The virus only dematerialised soon after attending church with all the old people in her village.She blamed Cummins I believe.
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15/12/2020 15:57:21 4 2
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Or where MPs from Labour go on trains knowing that they have covid!
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15/12/2020 16:12:31 4 0
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Stephen Kinnocks Grandparents house,
Wherever Ian Blackford goes,
Rita Ora's friends
Margaret Ferrer's Houses
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15/12/2020 16:16:11 3 0
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You've forgotten Margaret Ferrier on a train. Is she going to remain an MP?
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15/12/2020 16:52:37 2 0
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Gary Linaker's shop.
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15/12/2020 19:26:49 0 1
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Or where I live. In fact I have relatives nation wide an none of them know a single case of infection. So it cant be that bad
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15/12/2020 14:18:23 3 7
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Pointless exercise, it's so statistically insignificant compared to older adults..
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15/12/2020 14:18:43 4 2
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They will keep the schools open regardless because it's set down Government policy. Nothing will change that. But watch them about turn on the Christmas "truce" before the weekend. I'd put money on it.
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15/12/2020 14:19:13 10 4
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I was very surprised how far up your nose the test swab goes when I had one!
Although necessary, it could be quite distressing for youngsters I reckon.
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15/12/2020 14:20:33 15 5
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Not as far as the government are shoving it elsewhere!!!!
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15/12/2020 16:31:31 3 0
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It is the one thing that no-one seems to have considered - children & especially young people once they reach competency do have the right to refuse consent for this testing. Testing children every day for successive days is invasive

The whole thing is being discussed as if they aren’t actually human beings with any agency of their own, which exposes the lie of this being about their well-being
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15/12/2020 14:19:13 10 4
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I was very surprised how far up your nose the test swab goes when I had one!
Although necessary, it could be quite distressing for youngsters I reckon.
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15/12/2020 14:20:33 15 5
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Not as far as the government are shoving it elsewhere!!!!
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15/12/2020 14:20:51 4 3
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I'd like to think that parents will giving clear instructions to their children over the Christmas/ New Year period...about who & how they mix...

..I'd like to think....
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15/12/2020 14:21:22 2 8
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how are the government going to get out of this medieval pcr testing , there is fast coming the time when they will have to admit that pcr for covid is just nowhere near accurate enough to dictate policy , there is not even a standard pcr covid test so any result whatsoever can be classed as positive
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15/12/2020 14:34:56 0 0
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And your credentials for making these comments?
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15/12/2020 14:34:56 1 0
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its unlikely the tests will throw out false positives, however they will very likely throw out false negatives, so yes they are no barometer at all of how prevalent this thing is in society
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15/12/2020 14:21:36 7 8
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How many times have we seen headlines and heard promises like this from our Government that quietly go away and are not delivered.

Yet ANOTHER lie.
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15/12/2020 14:06:49 35 2
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This is more about keeping kids in school and their parents at work.

Currently if a pupil is a 'contact' they should be staying home for 10 days in case they have caught it.

The result will be fewer off school but more catching COVID if these tests are not fast and accurate.
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15/12/2020 14:22:03 20 5
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And they’re definitely not as accurate. They are fast, but fail to detect 30% of symptomatic cases and at least 50% of asymptomatic ones.
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15/12/2020 14:16:50 6 9
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Here we go again the media looking to shape the way we live, when the headlines are running out they create them telling people the growing demand from the public to close schools and stop Xmas visiting I know of nobody that is demanding or panicking but they seem to please stop your destroying everybody's lives and livelihoods.
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15/12/2020 14:22:42 7 4
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Here we go again. Complaints about the media (BBC) when it doesn't report what you want it to.
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15/12/2020 14:23:03 5 24
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It's so bad that you have to be tested to even know you have it.
If you do have it, your immune system beats it at a rate of 99.9997%

What's the point of all this bull?

There are no stipulations whatsoever for your mask, so it's clearly not required for medical reasons.

It's ALL political, all of it. It's about power, all of it.
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15/12/2020 14:29:31 7 0
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Hopefully those making the decisions have a better grasp of mathematics than you do, as you're ludicrously stating that only 3 in a million cases die.
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15/12/2020 14:33:41 6 0
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Your figures suggest that the whole of the U.K. population would have to have it in order for just 23 people to die. Maybe you should join the online learning for maths classes.
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15/12/2020 14:59:25 0 0
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We have a live on here folks!

So what do you want for Christmas? 15mtrs of Bubble Wrap do you?
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15/12/2020 14:24:08 14 3
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How many failed game changers will there be?
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15/12/2020 14:15:04 15 13
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schools should be closed this week. kids are super spreaders and everyone knows it.
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15/12/2020 14:25:30 2 8
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fake news
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15/12/2020 14:25:40 2 1
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All schools should be included not only secondary schools. Infant, primary and middle schools are no less likely to have cases. Teaching and support staff in these schools are no less vulnerable. Middle schools cover years 5 to 8. Which rule will apply?
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15/12/2020 14:39:57 0 0
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Good luck with getting a whole class of five-year-olds to sit still and submit to this test on a daily basis.
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15/12/2020 14:11:16 23 14
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'Although 15% of pupils were out of school last week, the latest figures show 0.2% of pupils were confirmed Covid cases' .
0.2%....... Is that all ???????? Sledge hammer and nut come to mind.
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15/12/2020 14:26:12 2 3
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Overall 0.2% maybe but current data for England is 1case per 50 or 2000 per 100k, which is 10x more than the rest of the population, this is why its in the news.
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15/12/2020 14:15:19 28 15
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12 positive cases at my daughters 6th form school this week. She does not feel safe at school and prefers to learn online from home - so do I.
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15/12/2020 14:26:26 3 11
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So do teachers. They can watch Netflix
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15/12/2020 20:17:20 0 0
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With the greatest of respect, and I think I probably speak for most of the education sector when I say this - sod off, Tory boy!
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15/12/2020 14:26:42 5 4
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Whilst this is good its yet more evidence of a reactive goverment compared to proactive. Online education should of continued whilst slowly allowing pupils to return after knowing they were negative. We have a second wave caused by a careless goverment assuming it wouldn't spread like wildfire in schools.
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15/12/2020 14:34:17 4 0
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Only reactive because it’s London and south where has mass testing been for schools up north for the last 3 months?
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15/12/2020 14:27:25 5 6
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Sending a class home for two weeks for a single infectious student is plain stupid.

This has to be better!
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15/12/2020 14:45:41 0 0
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Who does that?
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15/12/2020 14:47:32 0 0
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But they don't.

If a pupil tests positive, they apply a rule that if any other pupil has spent more than 15 minutes with that pupil in close contact (more than a meter) then those pupils would be asked to self isolate.....so effectively the desk in front, the desk behind and the desks at the side,
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15/12/2020 14:27:49 1 1
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Offered - what if they don't take up the offer? Which test, the accurate uncomfortable slow one or the quick inaccurate one? Massive testing has been promised before and failed to materialise. What about family contacts? Are they going to investigate the route the source became infected? Are they going to enforce isolation of positives, if so how?
So many questions so few answers
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15/12/2020 14:28:08 56 19
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Too little, too late. As usual. Serious mass testing should have been a high priority from the very start. Find all the infected people (young and old) and get them all to isolate for 14 days. No exceptions. Infection and death rates should then plummet.
But no. No test unless you are already ill. Ineffective T&T. Let children and teachers mix and then go home. No wonder the infection rate is up.
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15/12/2020 15:16:31 21 12
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So you basically, given a school-age and elderly population of roughly 20 million, you want to perform almost 3 million tests per day - and that should have been done right from the start when even the entire planet combined wasn't performing that many.

OK, then.
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15/12/2020 16:57:02 4 2
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Test and trace like Germany's fabled system - oh wait, they are in the same position as us now but doing far fewer tests than us.
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15/12/2020 14:28:15 3 4
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As usual we have multimillionaire investors running public policy. We had all this nonsense in the bag before the summer. Even the isle of man has this sorted. But not us as we have idiot business people gagging at the bit to add an extra chin with their double faces from dividends, damn the health costs, it's the shareholders who matter.
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15/12/2020 14:38:46 1 1
bbc
" Even the isle of man has this sorted"

Have they told those three blokes to stop tangling their legs together and maintain some social distancing?
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15/12/2020 14:10:28 42 16
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Anyone with half a brain should have seen teenagers as the carriers of this virus.
If I go out I usually see groups of 6 or more gathered together without masks, talking and messing around. No one bothers to police this, so it just perpetuates the virus. Who knows how many people they pass it on to, going from one group to another.
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15/12/2020 14:28:31 16 17
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Where is your evidence for this? I have seen nothing that shows teenagers are higher risk that other groups, they certainly have low risk of serious disease.
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Bob
15/12/2020 15:11:56 8 1
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What are you on about, risk? The commenter never made any statement about risk.

Data speaks for itself, anyway. At this present time in most parts that entered tier 3 the initial surging was triggered by that age group.

What you cannot infer of course is did that come from larking about in groups with no masks or did it come from sitting in a class room?
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15/12/2020 15:12:32 7 2
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They may have a low risk to themselves but, its the poor souls that get infected by their contact. they are spreading this disease through mixing at school. This is fact.
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15/12/2020 20:35:36 1 0
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The point is they hang around in groups and less likely to wear face masks NOT that they are a higher risk of spreaders, hence the original comment of half a brain!!! ??
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DJG
15/12/2020 14:28:59 3 2
bbc
Excellent. Another game changer that will either not be implemented or not work as planned.
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15/12/2020 15:35:40 0 0
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We are now changing from wiff waff to cluedo, except we are all aware it was PM Blue in the Conservativery with the incompetent policies...
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15/12/2020 14:23:03 5 24
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It's so bad that you have to be tested to even know you have it.
If you do have it, your immune system beats it at a rate of 99.9997%

What's the point of all this bull?

There are no stipulations whatsoever for your mask, so it's clearly not required for medical reasons.

It's ALL political, all of it. It's about power, all of it.
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15/12/2020 14:29:31 7 0
bbc
Hopefully those making the decisions have a better grasp of mathematics than you do, as you're ludicrously stating that only 3 in a million cases die.
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15/12/2020 14:29:37 9 3
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I thought schools were safe and weren't responsible for transmission...
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15/12/2020 14:40:49 8 1
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Umm and yet my teenage son caught it at school and brought it home as a present to the rest of us. By the time we knew he had it so did we. Definitely responsible but I also want him to have the best teaching for his A levels. It is a balancing act for those of us with teenage children
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15/12/2020 14:29:53 7 5
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Stories like this make me thrilled the vaccines are finally being rolled out across the country. It cannot come soon enough. Well done to all those involved in the roll out and I hope it gets schooling back on the road to normality. I am sure there is not an opposition politician in world politics who hasn't secretly been delighted they haven't been in charge these last nine months!
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15/12/2020 15:19:30 2 2
bbc
Being rolled out to elderly people who don't go to school and are likely to die before they get the booster dose. Does nothing to protect young people or at risk younger people who won't get the vaccine until at least spring next year. Crazy strategy which is ill thought out.
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15/12/2020 15:33:32 1 0
bbc
Except for those in countries like N.Zealand, Denmark, Norway, etc... where the gov has handled the crisis competently and are seeing their popularity rise as the population recognise that their country has performed far better than others.
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15/12/2020 14:30:11 22 2
bbc
Williamson's constituency (South Staffordshire) has many middle schools. How will they be included. Perhaps he doesn't know. As he tweeted congratulations to Eton on their A levels results and ignored his local high schools it's reasonable to assume he doesn't.
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15/12/2020 14:30:19 2 3
bbc
Seriously, how will this reduce the numbers being sent home? These tests do not prove people are not infected, they can only show if more are, and it is only in the longer run that this will enable more to remain in school.
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15/12/2020 14:37:28 1 0
bbc
Huh? Surely the idea is test positive, go home; test negative, stay at school?
Covid does not exist in:-

Schools
4 star hotels
Barnard Castle
Wherever Boris Dad goes on holiday
Gyms in London
Kay Burleys mates houses
Surrey
America
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15/12/2020 14:30:46 114 3
bbc
You forgot Rita Ora's parties.
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15/12/2020 16:37:26 1 1
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princess beatrice having a jolly night out with her hubby and mates( buisness meeting) really ?
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15/12/2020 14:30:58 20 6
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Testing started in are 30 plus schools yesterday. Update reporting 50 positive test. No symptoms. Clearly the Schools have a large input. But as these kids are the future. Education must carry on. At the cost of other activities. The worry, if not traced now. These kids would unknowingly be a problem during the zero level Christmas period.
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15/12/2020 15:16:23 16 7
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Why not give school kids, teachers and frontline care staff the vaccine before everybody else? That should guarantee schools stay open. I have elderly relatives some of whom are not well but I would still prefer younger people to get vaccinated first to give them a "normal" life. My elderly relatives never really leave the house and are therefore less likely to get it.
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15/12/2020 15:57:32 0 12
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why not stop school for a year then make up that year across the following 2: make teachers work 37.5 teaching hours a week not 19, cancel all inset days and cut 3 weeks off holidays. It would add a year to children's education, but that's the same as taking a gap year. Plus it would be covid safe
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15/12/2020 16:15:11 2 2
bbc
Have you heard of the internet and books?
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15/12/2020 17:09:55 2 0
bbc
'Kids are the future. Education must carry on at the cost of other activities' Other activities like people earning a living you mean? So that unemployment can soar, poverty can soar, borrowing can soar and the kids can spend the future hoping for a job and being taxed until they squeak to pay off the borrowing. And the present worrying about giving Gran covid and her dying? Good plan!
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15/12/2020 14:10:28 42 16
bbc
Anyone with half a brain should have seen teenagers as the carriers of this virus.
If I go out I usually see groups of 6 or more gathered together without masks, talking and messing around. No one bothers to police this, so it just perpetuates the virus. Who knows how many people they pass it on to, going from one group to another.
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15/12/2020 14:31:44 7 1
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Not just teenagers. You may get some of them to act responsibly, but how about junior schools. You've got about as much chance as herding cats.
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15/12/2020 14:16:50 6 9
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Here we go again the media looking to shape the way we live, when the headlines are running out they create them telling people the growing demand from the public to close schools and stop Xmas visiting I know of nobody that is demanding or panicking but they seem to please stop your destroying everybody's lives and livelihoods.
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15/12/2020 14:32:31 0 0
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Its sells papers and hits, hence making money for them.
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15/12/2020 14:33:03 3 2
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This new strain comes at a very convenient time for gov. The virus has adapted constantly since beginning of outbreak according to virologists commenting on the news. There's enough ambiguity about the effects of the new strain to allow gov to use it as a reason (scientifically, of course) to justify any new restrictions they choose to impose but it definitely doesn't affect the expensive vaccine.
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15/12/2020 14:36:37 2 4
bbc
The 'new strain' is probably a red herring - It is being used as an excuse for the fact that they didn't put London into the correct Tier to start with.
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15/12/2020 14:23:03 5 24
bbc
It's so bad that you have to be tested to even know you have it.
If you do have it, your immune system beats it at a rate of 99.9997%

What's the point of all this bull?

There are no stipulations whatsoever for your mask, so it's clearly not required for medical reasons.

It's ALL political, all of it. It's about power, all of it.
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15/12/2020 14:33:41 6 0
bbc
Your figures suggest that the whole of the U.K. population would have to have it in order for just 23 people to die. Maybe you should join the online learning for maths classes.
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15/12/2020 14:26:42 5 4
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Whilst this is good its yet more evidence of a reactive goverment compared to proactive. Online education should of continued whilst slowly allowing pupils to return after knowing they were negative. We have a second wave caused by a careless goverment assuming it wouldn't spread like wildfire in schools.
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15/12/2020 14:34:17 4 0
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Only reactive because it’s London and south where has mass testing been for schools up north for the last 3 months?
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15/12/2020 14:34:23 4 2
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Whats the point, with the way things are going in this country they only need to learn ' Will that be large fries with your order sir',
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15/12/2020 14:41:34 1 0
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That's where most end up anyway. Govt and cronies bang on about hi quality education. Well ok so every school should be on par with Eton or another way what do we need public schools for the state system is wonderful. Yeah right. Just need the pans full enough to click and collect.
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15/12/2020 14:32:58 2 6
bbc
So is the testing just for pupils and teachers? not for support staff then?
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15/12/2020 14:09:57 5 7
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I thought school kids weren't a threat because they can't catch this thing and become infectious to others ... surely the "experts" haven't got it wrong again have they ? Perhaps there are too many self styled experts out there who really aren't as expert as they claim they are. I blame the education system ...
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15/12/2020 14:33:31 9 1
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The experts are well aware how much children spread this thing, however the politicians twist the truth because they cant afford parents of kids being at home and not working.

Basically they are sacrificing teachers h&s to keep the economy going.
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15/12/2020 14:21:22 2 8
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how are the government going to get out of this medieval pcr testing , there is fast coming the time when they will have to admit that pcr for covid is just nowhere near accurate enough to dictate policy , there is not even a standard pcr covid test so any result whatsoever can be classed as positive
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15/12/2020 14:34:56 0 0
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And your credentials for making these comments?
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15/12/2020 14:46:29 0 0
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THE CREDENTIALS ARE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO A NORMAL LIFE
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15/12/2020 15:39:04 0 0
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my credentials are that I am correct , at $140 per test who exactly do you think is saying do even more pcr testing ? it has zero medical function , useless
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15/12/2020 14:36:02 16 9
bbc
"Game changer"

Well done for referring to a deadly pandemic as a 'game'.

Very tasteful.
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IJB
15/12/2020 14:43:42 22 10
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What do you expect from the media, scaremongering and false news on a daily basis
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15/12/2020 16:52:56 2 0
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Well if it's a 'deadly' pandemic that's been here for a year, I still have water coming out of my taps, still have electricity, still able to go to the shops and buy absolutley anything I want, so manufacture, packaging, distribution and sales are all still intact. We don't seem to be doing so badly for a 'deadly' pandemic that going to kill us all apparently lol...
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15/12/2020 14:11:01 137 30
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As a teacher in Kent off with confirmed covid (its bad) we need to be better protected ...new strain perhaps but it shot through our school I know at least 7 staff and 30+ students confirmed went from fantastic attendance to closed in 7 days & online. our protection a face mask in corridors and nothing in a classroom packed with 28 teenagers . No one else has same conditions of work ..sod off gov
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15/12/2020 14:36:04 66 20
bbc
I feel your pain. My sister retired as head of primary school, returned a year later as a volunteer. Another year on started class teaching two days a week. Now due to her experience and fact that head teacher, deputy, two other teachers, some support staff and a clutch of pupils are in isolation, she has stepped up to run school. I worry that she too, will succumb to covid. Government don't care.
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15/12/2020 14:49:20 9 1
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Yeah. That's vintage primary teaching. I know many teachers that dip their toe into a classroom then get taken advantage of.
I've just retired from primary teaching at 49. I can scrape by.
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15/12/2020 14:21:22 2 8
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how are the government going to get out of this medieval pcr testing , there is fast coming the time when they will have to admit that pcr for covid is just nowhere near accurate enough to dictate policy , there is not even a standard pcr covid test so any result whatsoever can be classed as positive
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15/12/2020 14:34:56 1 0
bbc
its unlikely the tests will throw out false positives, however they will very likely throw out false negatives, so yes they are no barometer at all of how prevalent this thing is in society
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15/12/2020 14:33:03 3 2
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This new strain comes at a very convenient time for gov. The virus has adapted constantly since beginning of outbreak according to virologists commenting on the news. There's enough ambiguity about the effects of the new strain to allow gov to use it as a reason (scientifically, of course) to justify any new restrictions they choose to impose but it definitely doesn't affect the expensive vaccine.
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15/12/2020 14:36:37 2 4
bbc
The 'new strain' is probably a red herring - It is being used as an excuse for the fact that they didn't put London into the correct Tier to start with.
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15/12/2020 14:43:05 1 0
bbc
There definitely has been propagation of a slightly different variant, but it’s likely a case of the new strain is because of the uncontrolled spread rather than the other way around.
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15/12/2020 14:30:19 2 3
bbc
Seriously, how will this reduce the numbers being sent home? These tests do not prove people are not infected, they can only show if more are, and it is only in the longer run that this will enable more to remain in school.
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15/12/2020 14:37:28 1 0
bbc
Huh? Surely the idea is test positive, go home; test negative, stay at school?
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15/12/2020 14:43:46 1 0
bbc
Test negative with only a 50% sensitivity, assume you’re negative and continue to spread it.
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15/12/2020 14:23:03 5 24
bbc
It's so bad that you have to be tested to even know you have it.
If you do have it, your immune system beats it at a rate of 99.9997%

What's the point of all this bull?

There are no stipulations whatsoever for your mask, so it's clearly not required for medical reasons.

It's ALL political, all of it. It's about power, all of it.
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15/12/2020 14:38:07 1 2
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The questions for me are: what test are they going to use? If it’s the PCR test then don’t bother, if it’s lateral flow test then we’ll get more accurate results (as we saw in Liverpool). How are they going to train staff to carry out accurate testing? Much of the testing debacle is because the govt has been using unqualified people to carry out flawed lab testing with PCR kits.
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15/12/2020 14:41:36 2 0
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It will be rapid lateral flow tests, but they certainly aren’t more accurate. They miss half of cases. They can confirm infection in about 70% of symptomatic cases, but other than that they are pretty useless.
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15/12/2020 15:01:43 1 0
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PCR is useless because they won't get the results back for 3 or 4 days probably. In the time the e children should have been self isolating they'll be infecting others.

LFD tests aren't reliable and how will the practicalities work (i.e. keeping tens or hundreds of tests on a flat surface, tracking which is who's, what will pupils do for 30 minutes whilst waiting for results).
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15/12/2020 14:38:40 5 5
bbc
So basically it’s complete lockdown for two weeks or everyone goes about their business. Black or white.

There are too many shades of grey now, nobody knows exactly what rules they should be following.

I don’t blame the politicians in this, I blame the media trying to make the news.
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15/12/2020 15:28:03 0 0
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I blame the politicians.

They need to make hard decisions, but they don't want to have to take the consequences of doing so, so they fudge it, lie and do whatever they think will personally benefit themselves and their cronies.
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15/12/2020 14:28:15 3 4
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As usual we have multimillionaire investors running public policy. We had all this nonsense in the bag before the summer. Even the isle of man has this sorted. But not us as we have idiot business people gagging at the bit to add an extra chin with their double faces from dividends, damn the health costs, it's the shareholders who matter.
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15/12/2020 14:38:46 1 1
bbc
" Even the isle of man has this sorted"

Have they told those three blokes to stop tangling their legs together and maintain some social distancing?
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15/12/2020 14:39:01 69 23
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Closing schools for a few days before and after Xmas and putting work on line would not damage kids in the long run but it would help get on top of the infection and get the R number down. Follow this with mass testing in schools and then the vaccine.

Tories are making a political decision not a scientific one.
As a parent with a teenager taking GCSE's next year, can I just say *&@# off.

They've missed many months of teaching and we are throwing a whole generation under the bus to protect a few old wrinklies.
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15/12/2020 15:35:49 2 4
bbc
everyone stopping social contact outside of their household over the two week break would also have a massive impact. But a normal christmas is too important to some people.
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15/12/2020 16:37:39 0 1
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Make summer 4 weeks and Christmas 4 weeks now! By Easter the vaccine will have begun to work and no time lost! No economic shocks! Less deaths!
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15/12/2020 18:35:16 3 1
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As long as they are able to get online. There was supposed to be support for online learning but I’ve not had any for my children
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15/12/2020 14:25:40 2 1
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All schools should be included not only secondary schools. Infant, primary and middle schools are no less likely to have cases. Teaching and support staff in these schools are no less vulnerable. Middle schools cover years 5 to 8. Which rule will apply?
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15/12/2020 14:39:57 0 0
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Good luck with getting a whole class of five-year-olds to sit still and submit to this test on a daily basis.
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15/12/2020 14:40:06 7 4
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Game changer like world beating and levelling up are just fake words this party use to deflect. It’s not a game changer as it will lead to more chaos by serco in failing to deal with the inflow again
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15/12/2020 14:11:01 137 30
bbc
As a teacher in Kent off with confirmed covid (its bad) we need to be better protected ...new strain perhaps but it shot through our school I know at least 7 staff and 30+ students confirmed went from fantastic attendance to closed in 7 days & online. our protection a face mask in corridors and nothing in a classroom packed with 28 teenagers . No one else has same conditions of work ..sod off gov
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15/12/2020 14:40:36 24 0
bbc
Get well soon. Schools are a really difficult one and I feel sorry to children who've had their educations constantly interrupted the last nine months and will be paying for the lockdown for the rest of their lives. On the other hand, we need to keep teachers safe and if memory serves correct the second wave really took off when the schools went back. No easy answers at all.
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15/12/2020 14:29:37 9 3
bbc
I thought schools were safe and weren't responsible for transmission...
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15/12/2020 14:40:49 8 1
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Umm and yet my teenage son caught it at school and brought it home as a present to the rest of us. By the time we knew he had it so did we. Definitely responsible but I also want him to have the best teaching for his A levels. It is a balancing act for those of us with teenage children
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15/12/2020 14:41:05 1 11
bbc
For those who have kids or Grandchildren. To get a picture. Vote up if they've had a positive test. Down for no.
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15/12/2020 14:52:00 3 0
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Two kids, neither have tested positive, one has had 6 tests and the other 2 (because they keep getting sent home with what are obviously winter colds, to isolate until the inevitable negative test). Eight (thankfully short-lived) isolations for the whole family, so much disruption; so little point.
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15/12/2020 14:58:43 1 2
bbc
Most kids are asymptomatic, but still able to pass the virus on.
The UK population as a whole is still no more than about 10-15% have had the virus so even of those most will not yet have been exposed.

So how about you vote up if anyone in the school your kids or grandkids go to has tested positive. I'd have to vote up as about 30 of the kids in my daughters college have tested positive so far.
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15/12/2020 14:34:23 4 2
bbc
Whats the point, with the way things are going in this country they only need to learn ' Will that be large fries with your order sir',
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15/12/2020 14:41:34 1 0
bbc
That's where most end up anyway. Govt and cronies bang on about hi quality education. Well ok so every school should be on par with Eton or another way what do we need public schools for the state system is wonderful. Yeah right. Just need the pans full enough to click and collect.
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15/12/2020 14:38:07 1 2
bbc
The questions for me are: what test are they going to use? If it’s the PCR test then don’t bother, if it’s lateral flow test then we’ll get more accurate results (as we saw in Liverpool). How are they going to train staff to carry out accurate testing? Much of the testing debacle is because the govt has been using unqualified people to carry out flawed lab testing with PCR kits.
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15/12/2020 14:41:36 2 0
bbc
It will be rapid lateral flow tests, but they certainly aren’t more accurate. They miss half of cases. They can confirm infection in about 70% of symptomatic cases, but other than that they are pretty useless.
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15/12/2020 14:53:50 0 1
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Its a good job that Asymptomatic spread is just a figment of the imagination.
Remember you heard it here first
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15/12/2020 14:39:01 69 23
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Closing schools for a few days before and after Xmas and putting work on line would not damage kids in the long run but it would help get on top of the infection and get the R number down. Follow this with mass testing in schools and then the vaccine.

Tories are making a political decision not a scientific one.
As a parent with a teenager taking GCSE's next year, can I just say *&@# off.

They've missed many months of teaching and we are throwing a whole generation under the bus to protect a few old wrinklies.
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15/12/2020 14:47:12 3 2
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Same here and sitting more mock papers between now and breaking up. It’s easy for those who’ve had their education to sit and preach on HYS. Good luck to your teenager with the exams.
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15/12/2020 14:49:28 5 2
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Clearly written by a highly aspirational parent with time on your hands. Instead of typing on here during the day, you could turn your hand to imparting vast reserves of knowledge to your child. But then again.
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15/12/2020 14:50:11 7 1
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What a selfish person you are. It is children who are spreading the virus
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15/12/2020 14:36:37 2 4
bbc
The 'new strain' is probably a red herring - It is being used as an excuse for the fact that they didn't put London into the correct Tier to start with.
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15/12/2020 14:43:05 1 0
bbc
There definitely has been propagation of a slightly different variant, but it’s likely a case of the new strain is because of the uncontrolled spread rather than the other way around.
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15/12/2020 14:03:56 112 20
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Gavin Williamson. Hahaha has to be up there with the very worst of ‘politicians’ we’ve ever had.
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15/12/2020 14:43:19 27 10
bbc
Every day, in every way, he's getting better.

Oooh, Betty!
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15/12/2020 14:47:19 3 1
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Some Mothers Do Ave......Gavins
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15/12/2020 15:05:37 4 1
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Every day, in every way, he’s getting WORSE!!!!
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15/12/2020 14:36:02 16 9
bbc
"Game changer"

Well done for referring to a deadly pandemic as a 'game'.

Very tasteful.
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IJB
15/12/2020 14:43:42 22 10
bbc
What do you expect from the media, scaremongering and false news on a daily basis
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FF
15/12/2020 14:54:52 2 2
bbc
Choose your poison. I seen the Sun Newspaper trying to argue the case for a Scotch Egg being a substantial meal. It then went on to tell it's readers that - A Packet of Crisps was NOT a substantial meal, not was Pork Scratchings.

I mean, what level of intellect is being guided by this kind of bile.

The right wing media have a lot to answer for in these recent times.
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15/12/2020 14:37:28 1 0
bbc
Huh? Surely the idea is test positive, go home; test negative, stay at school?
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15/12/2020 14:43:46 1 0
bbc
Test negative with only a 50% sensitivity, assume you’re negative and continue to spread it.
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15/12/2020 14:27:25 5 6
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Sending a class home for two weeks for a single infectious student is plain stupid.

This has to be better!
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15/12/2020 14:45:41 0 0
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Who does that?
As a parent with a teenager taking GCSE's next year, can I just say *&@# off.

They've missed many months of teaching and we are throwing a whole generation under the bus to protect a few old wrinklies.
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15/12/2020 14:47:12 3 2
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Same here and sitting more mock papers between now and breaking up. It’s easy for those who’ve had their education to sit and preach on HYS. Good luck to your teenager with the exams.
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15/12/2020 15:25:04 4 0
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Got a daughter in the 2nd year of A levels.
She and all the other kids will be in the same boat if they break up early, and the grade boundaries will shift appropriately.
Her grandparents (and pos her mother who has health issues) on the other hand if they get the virus will likely not be in a boat so much as a 6ft by 2ft box and the only thing being shifted would be the earth used to cover them.
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15/12/2020 14:34:23 4 2
bbc
Whats the point, with the way things are going in this country they only need to learn ' Will that be large fries with your order sir',
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15/12/2020 14:27:25 5 6
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Sending a class home for two weeks for a single infectious student is plain stupid.

This has to be better!
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15/12/2020 14:47:32 0 0
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But they don't.

If a pupil tests positive, they apply a rule that if any other pupil has spent more than 15 minutes with that pupil in close contact (more than a meter) then those pupils would be asked to self isolate.....so effectively the desk in front, the desk behind and the desks at the side,
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15/12/2020 14:48:26 36 3
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Didn’t the government and Sage say that children are unlikely to pass Covid-19 on?
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Bob
15/12/2020 15:25:35 8 5
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Less likely is not the same as unlikely.
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15/12/2020 15:25:47 2 0
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True in primary schools, in secondary schools not so much. Gradually increasing risk of transmission with 16-18 year olds similar to adults.
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15/12/2020 16:58:00 1 1
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They are scientists and never wrong about anything.
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15/12/2020 19:03:46 0 0
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Yes, but they have no idea what day it is or how many lies they have told but get a fat pay check from doris
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15/12/2020 20:31:51 0 0
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Common sense over inexperienced medical advice any time
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15/12/2020 14:49:13 6 3
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oh no not another game changer ! get ready for the big expensive Boris fail again
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15/12/2020 14:36:04 66 20
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I feel your pain. My sister retired as head of primary school, returned a year later as a volunteer. Another year on started class teaching two days a week. Now due to her experience and fact that head teacher, deputy, two other teachers, some support staff and a clutch of pupils are in isolation, she has stepped up to run school. I worry that she too, will succumb to covid. Government don't care.
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15/12/2020 14:49:20 9 1
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Yeah. That's vintage primary teaching. I know many teachers that dip their toe into a classroom then get taken advantage of.
I've just retired from primary teaching at 49. I can scrape by.
As a parent with a teenager taking GCSE's next year, can I just say *&@# off.

They've missed many months of teaching and we are throwing a whole generation under the bus to protect a few old wrinklies.
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15/12/2020 14:49:28 5 2
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Clearly written by a highly aspirational parent with time on your hands. Instead of typing on here during the day, you could turn your hand to imparting vast reserves of knowledge to your child. But then again.
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15/12/2020 14:34:56 0 0
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And your credentials for making these comments?
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15/12/2020 14:46:29 0 0
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THE CREDENTIALS ARE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO A NORMAL LIFE
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15/12/2020 14:46:46 10 5
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Or alternatively, do a Williamson and bully schools into opening, in spite of high transmission rates.
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15/12/2020 14:43:19 27 10
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Every day, in every way, he's getting better.

Oooh, Betty!
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15/12/2020 14:47:19 3 1
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Some Mothers Do Ave......Gavins
As a parent with a teenager taking GCSE's next year, can I just say *&@# off.

They've missed many months of teaching and we are throwing a whole generation under the bus to protect a few old wrinklies.
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15/12/2020 14:50:11 7 1
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What a selfish person you are. It is children who are spreading the virus
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15/12/2020 14:50:48 31 6
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What happend to the 'world beating' test track and trace?

Was that 'oven ready' as well?

Half-baked...
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15/12/2020 15:34:17 13 4
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Unfortunately we don't have a world beating population prepared to engage with it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-55280321
It's easy to point to stats about only x% of contacts being traced, but with people not answering calls, or refusing to co-operate 100% effective test and trace would require significant police involvement.
I wonder why these people get tested, if they carry on regardless.
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15/12/2020 14:10:28 42 16
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Anyone with half a brain should have seen teenagers as the carriers of this virus.
If I go out I usually see groups of 6 or more gathered together without masks, talking and messing around. No one bothers to police this, so it just perpetuates the virus. Who knows how many people they pass it on to, going from one group to another.
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15/12/2020 14:51:30 5 2
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Treating children like cattle,end this now for gods sake
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15/12/2020 15:09:01 3 0
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Muzzled, pointlessly tested and battered every day by scary government propaganda it’s outrageous and totally unacceptable.
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15/12/2020 14:41:05 1 11
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For those who have kids or Grandchildren. To get a picture. Vote up if they've had a positive test. Down for no.
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15/12/2020 14:52:00 3 0
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Two kids, neither have tested positive, one has had 6 tests and the other 2 (because they keep getting sent home with what are obviously winter colds, to isolate until the inevitable negative test). Eight (thankfully short-lived) isolations for the whole family, so much disruption; so little point.
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15/12/2020 14:52:21 0 4
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Teach then Chinese,thats all we'll be speaking soon
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15/12/2020 15:12:32 0 0
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You do realise it is thought the first cases were in Italy?
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15/12/2020 14:52:37 7 2
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Game changer? What do you mean? Like the substitute who comes on with 5 minutes to go and scores a brace in his own goal...I think that is the 'game changer' we have had to get used to and suffer with UselessUKGov.Com...
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15/12/2020 14:52:49 6 6
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Testdemic. Not real cases.
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15/12/2020 15:11:58 1 0
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Is that you, Donald?
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15/12/2020 14:41:36 2 0
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It will be rapid lateral flow tests, but they certainly aren’t more accurate. They miss half of cases. They can confirm infection in about 70% of symptomatic cases, but other than that they are pretty useless.
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15/12/2020 14:53:50 0 1
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Its a good job that Asymptomatic spread is just a figment of the imagination.
Remember you heard it here first
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15/12/2020 14:53:56 92 14
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The scientists are saying the governments plans for xmas are rash and will cause thousands of extra deaths.
Local councils are trying to get schools to close early to mitigate the problems, and the government is actively blocking those efforts.
At every stage of this crisis the government has been slow, incompetent, and in the case of the contracts awarded it appears rampantly corrupt!
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15/12/2020 15:40:39 37 8
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Scientists say all sorts of things, because just about anyone claims to be a scientist. Whitty has repeatedly said there is no risk free path here. So decide how much risk you want to take on yourself and let everyone else equally decide how much risk they want to take on.

There is no one size fits all solution for every family. Just use your own brain.
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15/12/2020 16:21:55 4 3
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The government can't close schools because it means people will have to take time off work which leads to further economic losses. Make no mistake, this is a decision about money over life.
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15/12/2020 16:34:00 1 1
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They’re a disgrace
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15/12/2020 17:11:12 0 2
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The Gov't is crap
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15/12/2020 14:43:42 22 10
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What do you expect from the media, scaremongering and false news on a daily basis
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15/12/2020 14:54:52 2 2
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Choose your poison. I seen the Sun Newspaper trying to argue the case for a Scotch Egg being a substantial meal. It then went on to tell it's readers that - A Packet of Crisps was NOT a substantial meal, not was Pork Scratchings.

I mean, what level of intellect is being guided by this kind of bile.

The right wing media have a lot to answer for in these recent times.
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15/12/2020 15:22:13 2 0
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Under the terms of the Food Hygiene Act 2000, beer is a foodstuff.

Is ten pints a substantial meal?
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15/12/2020 14:55:11 2 1
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No wonder londoners are leaving in their droves
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15/12/2020 14:58:38 1 1
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What Mumsnet are packing up????
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15/12/2020 15:02:51 0 1
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What mums net are packing up?