New Covid strain: How worried should we be?
15/12/2020 | news | health | 1,418
Scientists will keep a close eye on this variant to see if it is a better spreader than others.
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15/12/2020 11:04:47 49 13
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Apparently there have been different strains around for a while, only heard about them yesterday.....did I miss something.....?
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15/12/2020 11:08:21 70 19
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They were saving that little nugget for when they needed another excuse
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Bob
15/12/2020 11:42:38 5 3
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There has been different strains but each mutation has the chance to become significant.

This mutation has two parts. Both seen individually before. One part has been shown in mice to cause the virus to be more virulent. Meaning it can infect people more easily.

If this transpires to be the case in humans too then we'll see many more cases, meaning many more deaths than we have until now.
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15/12/2020 12:09:42 4 8
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Yes, viruses mutate, which is why the right-wing's herd immunity policy was always so much idiocy.

Not so long ago the right-wing were attacking the projections that without a 2-week fire break CV19 would hit very high heights of infection; the forecasts were correct!
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15/12/2020 12:36:29 5 0
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You mean you missed the reports on the other 11,999 variants?
15/12/2020 16:54:46 0 1
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Yes. It has been well covered since the inception of the Virus. Mind you the Media have chosen to ignore this in their attempts to build up fear and not bothering about explaining what is happening, what has happened and what will happen with viruses.

There is nothing new in this.

The Spanish Variant hit the UK hard

With the Spanish flu in 1918 it was the Detroit variant that killed most
15/12/2020 23:53:42 0 1
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Yes, last I heard was that this virus was unusual because it hadn't mutated...
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15/12/2020 11:05:27 3 7
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With the decision to put London into Tier 3 which was a surprise I sincerely hope the SG will be ramping up Border checks on all visitors & returning residents to Scotland.

Follow the SG advice and remain vigilant.
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15/12/2020 11:11:42 2 1
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You could man the barriers Wembley! Face suitably painted and waving the Saltire of course!
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15/12/2020 11:06:07 87 48
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We should all be very worried, of the government! Still has a 99.75% survival rate and the government's own website says is NOT a highly infectious disease.
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15/12/2020 11:29:58 28 8
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Timely excuse to backtrack on Christmas?
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15/12/2020 11:31:16 21 21
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Over 60,000 dead, thousands with long Covid. I would like to put you in a room with survivors and families of the deceased. What is your agenda?
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15/12/2020 11:59:57 8 5
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"and the government's own website says is NOT a highly infectious disease."

That in itself is a MAJOR cause of concern
Want to know the major reason that was changed? (It was changed during March, as a clue).

Because it is ILLEGAL in UK employment law, to make people work in hazardous environments, without protection. We had no PPE - so we downgraded it. Simples and also HMG manslaughter.
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15/12/2020 11:06:44 10 7
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Who knows ?

There aren't any experts on HYS, so it's pointless asking us BBC.
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15/12/2020 11:10:38 5 4
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It isn't difficult to do some research from different sources, of people who are experts, and see who is lying.
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15/12/2020 11:11:07 0 1
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lol
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15/12/2020 11:29:39 0 1
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What are you on about?
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15/12/2020 11:06:55 238 59
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It does feel like the media’s love of sensationalising news for the sake of profit has been exploited with this revelation, potentially to distract from something else.

Until scientists have learned more about the consequences of this mutation, something that’s normal for a virus to do, this should have stayed out of the public eye.
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15/12/2020 11:22:36 121 30
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The media? Matt Hancock made the statement...
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15/12/2020 11:29:14 14 32
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So censorship? The right will use any excuse to have a pop at the media
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15/12/2020 11:30:02 16 8
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"Until scientists have learned more about the consequences of this mutation, something that’s normal for a virus to do, this should have stayed out of the public eye."

And you just know that if that had happened the allegations of a cover-up would have been all over the place.
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15/12/2020 11:31:36 14 5
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Keeping news secret. First - that is wrong,. Second, it is impossible: this information MUST be shared by scientists (ie: through journals), so it is available to anyone to read.
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15/12/2020 11:32:12 24 9
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Agreed - This just screams of a the media stirring up a storm and trying to keep their "golden age" of panic going for a little bit longer now that the end is in sight with a vaccine treatment.
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15/12/2020 11:33:51 12 6
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Possibly. But maybe the plan is to scare people into following the rules a bit more. Or reduce the numbers planning to indulge in the Christmas free-for-all superspreader event?
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15/12/2020 11:39:01 8 7
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There have been plenty of new strains of the virus already. Matt Handjob is just trying to dramatize it to try and cover putting london in a higher tier.

The whole cabinet is a bunch of frauds.
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15/12/2020 11:39:43 5 3
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Politics at play here.... Announcement by Hancock just seconds before telling London is going into Tier 3. Not rocket science, is it?
I'm not a scientist, but understand that viruses mutate all the time, so this is not a surprise.
I just hope COVID decides to take a rest during Christmas as the Government seem intent on a relaxation of rules despite growing concern among the scientific community.
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15/12/2020 11:42:44 4 1
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It is likely to start mutating into a variant that is easier to spread but is also far less deadly. It's in the virus's interests to spread itself as widely as possible, these things have a weird kind of intelligence. The way to spread yourself is to become more contagious but to weaken so as to not kill your host, as if the host dies then so does the virus.
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15/12/2020 11:58:39 0 2
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If this had been kept out of the public eye, then been reported by the press the Government would have been accused of a cover-up, of hiding the news. That would have spurned panic, why did the Government hide it? Has it got them worried?..
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15/12/2020 11:59:45 3 2
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I agree - there were media reports back in August about the 6 different "strains" that had been identified at that time, didn't see all this fuss back then (because it is a non story). Classic deflection tactics by Hancock and the gullible media play along......lazy journalism at best, purposefully negligent and damaging at worst.
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15/12/2020 12:02:30 0 4
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Yes, viruses mutate, which is why the right-wing's herd immunity policy was always so much idiocy.

Not so long ago the right-wing were attacking the projections that without a 2-week fire break CV19 would hit very high heights of infection; the forecasts were correct!
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15/12/2020 12:50:11 0 0
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And then you would all be screaming about a 'cover up'
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15/12/2020 12:59:42 0 0
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mmmm. The BBC actually have a science and health page. I would have thought it irresponsible of them NOT to report interesting things like this.
Censorship going well today... Removed
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15/12/2020 11:07:27 10 5
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Hopefully this strain has been made aware of the infection hiatus over Xmas.
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15/12/2020 11:08:48 5 2
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Stop trying to ruin Christmas for the politicians...
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15/12/2020 11:07:45 117 12
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How worried should we be? That's down to personal preference I suppose. Personally, I don't think worrying helps in any situation.
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Bob
15/12/2020 11:37:56 56 45
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Worrying helps in that it can make you act differently.

If the news of a new strain strikes doubt into some of the minds of those who have been going about daily life without any regard for the virus then that is a positive result.
16/12/2020 01:53:05 0 0
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To worry might be natural however if everything that can be done is being done there is little point.
16/12/2020 10:12:19 0 0
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"worrying is like sitting in a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but gets you nowhere."
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15/12/2020 11:07:58 27 17
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Haha. Not worried at all. Viruses mutate. This one has already mutated months ago. Nothing to see here. More panic mongering by the BBC. Hancock is using this as a tool to deflect criticism from putting London in tier 3. So obvious. Worry about a mutation if you want but the science suggests it is not really news that we should be doing so. Note to beeb: Stop scaring people deliberately please.
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15/12/2020 11:16:26 12 2
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It's not just the BBC, look at every front page of newspapers today, they're all doing it.
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15/12/2020 11:27:58 2 4
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If you were to read the article fully and not put your own anti-BBC spin on it, you would see no scaremongering. More reliable than your anti-BBC rhetoric
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15/12/2020 11:08:02 106 27
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The media seem to prefer sansationalism - find a story and then report what little is known with added speculation.

Find out the facts first, then report it.
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15/12/2020 11:23:36 45 46
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So you dont think they should report Matt Hancocks comments?
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15/12/2020 11:26:16 5 7
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You are being obtuse, they report developments as they occur. Nothing is a fact until it has been evidenced
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15/12/2020 13:06:23 0 2
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Silencing the media? The far right showing their true colours.
Don
15/12/2020 18:04:10 1 0
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Maybe the media don’t like to tell the story of how rveryone is complying with rules and the pandemic will be over soon. No they prefer to antagonise the public and incite the idiots not to comply thus increasing the length of the story and putting us all in danger!
15/12/2020 19:23:21 2 0
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Headlines have become questions - have you noticed?
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15/12/2020 11:08:16 9 7
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New Covid strain: How worried should we be?

We shouldn't be worried - why? You can only control your own behaviour:

Wear a mask
Minimise close social contact
Wash you hands thoroughly and regularly
Plan ahead to use home delivery or quieter shopping hours when you can

The virus wants to spread and replicate. Mutation is part of this and the above advice will give the best protection.
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15/12/2020 11:12:26 0 7
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Or just go about your lives as normal because the government's own website says it is NOT a highly infectious disease
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15/12/2020 11:04:47 49 13
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Apparently there have been different strains around for a while, only heard about them yesterday.....did I miss something.....?
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15/12/2020 11:08:21 70 19
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They were saving that little nugget for when they needed another excuse
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15/12/2020 12:51:47 2 1
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To excuse the "I must have my summer holiday abroad" brigade? A Spanish variant of the virus had already been identified in case you had missed it.
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15/12/2020 13:51:44 0 1
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Precisely
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15/12/2020 11:08:46 3 5
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Non-story.

The virus has already mutated several times, and that's just those mutations we know about. There are probably many more. Whoop-de-doo. All viruses mutate frequently without posing additional risks to human health.
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15/12/2020 11:08:47 51 28
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This is classic scare-mongering by the Government or rather the Health Secretary. This is nothing new and nothing to be concerned about. It's called control by fear, which is what the Government and scientists have been doing throughout this pandemic.
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15/12/2020 11:21:09 26 37
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IF you didnt put the fear factor in the public domain, another 1 million or more cases and a 100,000 deceased would have been recorded to date. all vunarable types and most over 60 catching covid is devastating with 95% of SAD covid deaths relating to that age and above , so if your over 60yrs old, its a extremely STRESSFUL and worrying year indeed. NUM NUTS
15/12/2020 15:05:53 0 0
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Matt shed a tear for us, didn't you notice?
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16/12/2020 05:35:43 0 0
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For a given comment peoples fear reaction will vary so there is NO perfect comment. A given comment to some won't change their behavior and to others the same comment will scare the hell out of them. You're complacent and others are anxious and while you'll probably be right you probably said the same thing when you first heard of Covid. Good example of a broken clock is right twice a day.
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15/12/2020 11:07:27 10 5
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Hopefully this strain has been made aware of the infection hiatus over Xmas.
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15/12/2020 11:08:48 5 2
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Stop trying to ruin Christmas for the politicians...
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15/12/2020 11:10:03 3 5
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we all knew it was going to mutate sooner or later so it was not a biger shock that expected i some time think the goverment and the bbc think we are all thick
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15/12/2020 11:10:15 68 12
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I learnt a long time ago that worrying solves NOTHING!
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15/12/2020 11:12:25 55 7
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So true. Only worry about things that you are able to do something about. If there's nothing you can do then accept and keep yourself sane.
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15/12/2020 12:07:51 2 3
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Like inaction then.
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15/12/2020 13:42:56 3 2
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Absolutely right worrying never solved anything.
But a sensible approach to life and an attitude of ‘do no harm’ can make a difference.
Washing hands, wearing a mask and distancing shows real empathy towards others.
15/12/2020 21:02:24 1 0
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I am worrying about your lack of concern therefore lack of precautions therefore nimby?
16/12/2020 00:05:50 0 0
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Fair enough, so long as the scientists are worrying on our behalf. (Clearly they are.)
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15/12/2020 11:06:44 10 7
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Who knows ?

There aren't any experts on HYS, so it's pointless asking us BBC.
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15/12/2020 11:10:38 5 4
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It isn't difficult to do some research from different sources, of people who are experts, and see who is lying.
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15/12/2020 11:10:54 6 3
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Medical think tanks have just called on Johnson to reverse the decision to open up for five days and as of now WM has said no. NS will hopefully differ from such a reckless attitude.
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I am surprised someone hasn't blamed the BBC for reporting this. There is always an idiot about. Removed
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15/12/2020 11:13:42 1 3
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Yes, and we can tell who they are! LOL. ??
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mg
15/12/2020 11:14:06 1 1
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takes one to know one ?
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15/12/2020 11:22:49 0 2
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Haven't you read the above comments? Tin foil hat brigade and deniers out in force
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15/12/2020 11:11:06 43 14
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Viruses mutate all the time, so it is not surprising that this has been found. What is important is how fast they mutate and coronavirus has so far shown it is nothing like the common cold or flu. It would be very unfortunate if it mutated in such a way that the vaccine no longer worked, but it is so unlikely that it doesn't warrant this much scaremongering.

We need to stop the constant fear.
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15/12/2020 11:21:56 23 9
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The report quotes scientists who state that there is most likely nothing to be concerned about, so how is it scaremongering?
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15/12/2020 11:53:17 7 2
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My concern is that it's Matt Hancock who says that the vaccine will still work. That makes me think it probably will not.
15/12/2020 21:48:46 1 0
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I have noticed that people of a certain political persuasion equate information and fear.
As a result, they don't make use of either.
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15/12/2020 11:06:44 10 7
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Who knows ?

There aren't any experts on HYS, so it's pointless asking us BBC.
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15/12/2020 11:11:07 0 1
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lol
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15/12/2020 11:11:07 1 4
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Amazing what gets revealed when rates rise in the south east. This seems like a non story. Are we being softened up to every one in the midlands and north staying in tier 3 when our levels are now much lower than they were. Also is there a new excuse coming to cancel Christmas. Think long and hard about that Bozzo and crew!!
Did it mutate in the Wuhan idc and IV labs between 2012 and 2018 when it most likely escaped Removed
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15/12/2020 11:20:29 4 4
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No
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15/12/2020 11:20:42 3 5
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And your proof of this is where? Right in the misinformation garbage bin I suppose. What do people get out of spreading conspiracies from behind a screen? Please just stop it.
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15/12/2020 11:32:10 3 1
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You forgot to provide your evidence.
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15/12/2020 11:11:19 10 7
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These are the sort of headlines we hate BBC. You might as well as how worried we should be crossing the road or getting into a car. Life comes with risks. Stop scaremongering.
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15/12/2020 11:20:16 1 3
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They are reporting what's happening. Most sane and reasonable people want to know what's happening
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15/12/2020 12:23:33 0 0
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Its not scaremongering is part of objective reporting.

THE BREXIT PARTY WILL BE RESISTED AND FOUGHT IF NECCESSARY.

THEY ARE AN ENEMY WITHIN
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15/12/2020 11:05:27 3 7
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With the decision to put London into Tier 3 which was a surprise I sincerely hope the SG will be ramping up Border checks on all visitors & returning residents to Scotland.

Follow the SG advice and remain vigilant.
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15/12/2020 11:11:42 2 1
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You could man the barriers Wembley! Face suitably painted and waving the Saltire of course!
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15/12/2020 11:12:09 2 1
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It's the seeds being sown for another Government U-turn. "You know we said you can meet up for Christmas? Well we discovered this mutation so now it's much too dangerous and we can't allow you to see anyone else at Christmas".
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15/12/2020 11:14:28 0 2
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To which the vast majority will simply ignore.
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15/12/2020 11:12:24 3 2
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Not worried self-isolating aged 68 -hurry up get more vaccines done please !
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15/12/2020 11:15:40 1 3
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Go out and live! According to CNN we should not be surprised if old people die after having the vaccine.
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15/12/2020 11:12:24 4 8
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Time to put the scientists and 'experts' back into their Ivory Towers, lock 'em up and throw away the key.
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15/12/2020 11:14:41 8 3
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Time to put the nutjobs and 'conspiracy theorists' back into their cages, lock 'em up and throw away the key.
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15/12/2020 11:18:22 1 1
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Yep let's chuck the people who save our lives away, let's forget science altogether and bring back smallpox and MMR by not having this medicine and experts, let's completely not give a toss and take for granted (apart from Covid / cancer) a pretty disease free society!!! Jeez.
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15/12/2020 11:10:15 68 12
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I learnt a long time ago that worrying solves NOTHING!
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15/12/2020 11:12:25 55 7
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So true. Only worry about things that you are able to do something about. If there's nothing you can do then accept and keep yourself sane.
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15/12/2020 11:50:30 4 2
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But you CAN do something about it!
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15/12/2020 14:16:23 0 1
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Sane and safe
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15/12/2020 11:08:16 9 7
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New Covid strain: How worried should we be?

We shouldn't be worried - why? You can only control your own behaviour:

Wear a mask
Minimise close social contact
Wash you hands thoroughly and regularly
Plan ahead to use home delivery or quieter shopping hours when you can

The virus wants to spread and replicate. Mutation is part of this and the above advice will give the best protection.
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15/12/2020 11:12:26 0 7
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Or just go about your lives as normal because the government's own website says it is NOT a highly infectious disease
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15/12/2020 11:24:52 1 1
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Where does it say that?
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mg
15/12/2020 11:12:43 9 7
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lets make sure the sheep are more worried over xmas
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15/12/2020 11:15:58 2 1
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But they are telling the truth, all viruses mutate, this is just following that path. Additionally, the article does clearly state that this shouldn’t affect the results of the vaccine.
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15/12/2020 11:13:07 276 56
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Virus' mutant, its what they do -why worry about it!!

I'm more concerned about the people dying of cancer & other medical conditions that have been neglected because of the focus on covid.
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15/12/2020 11:32:15 126 195
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Where you as concerned about them before Covid or are you now using the restrictions caused by Covid as an excuse to now care? Hmmmm
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15/12/2020 11:44:50 39 12
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They worry because they fear being blamed for every covid death, deaths from cancer and other medical conditions they will not get blamed for, unfortunately its more about politics than health.
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15/12/2020 11:59:47 11 53
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I think we should be more worried about the constant 'enforced' vaccinations that will be rolled out as a response to these new strains and the 'super-vaccine' that Bill Gates spoke about recently as a guest on CNN
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15/12/2020 12:01:26 27 18
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It's a faux concern, and it's part of an online campaign led by the reactionary right-wing to undermine CV19 restrictions.

Yes, viruses mutate, which is why the right-wing's herd immunity policy was always so much idiocy.

Not so long ago the right-wing were attacking the projections that without a 2-week fire break CV19 would hit very high heights of infection; the forecasts were correct!
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15/12/2020 12:05:34 31 29
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COVID has become a cult/religion of its own with its zealot followers. According to ONS data COVID was not even in top 10 causes of death in the uk in 2020 and yet the entire heath service/government is geared up for it at the expense of everything else. Future generations with look back in shear bewilderment at this mass hysteria.
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15/12/2020 12:07:58 16 4
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Today I learned that you can't care about covid and cancer at the same time.
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15/12/2020 12:16:38 2 5
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chezza100
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Virus' mutant, its what they do -why worry about it!!'

Yeah, so right.

Lets shut all the hospitals and flog UK Healthcare to bozo's American buddies.
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15/12/2020 12:18:42 7 4
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Am inclined to agree. Having a family member with stage 4 cancer. Covid has the potential to be fatal but so does the flu. Having had both I would sooner have Covid again than the flu as it was more akin to hay fever for myself, I accept for some it's far more serious but It seems many of us are only mildly affected. Would be interesting to see the increase in antidepressant prescriptions
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15/12/2020 12:24:54 12 4
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There is a difference. The rate of cancer and other diseases is not rapidly changing. The rate of COVID-19 is. The NHS is a finite resource. If you allow COVID-19 to increase at a rapid rate the resource will become overwhelmed. At that point you leave people at home to die. Control the disease or more people will die whether from COVID or anything else.
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15/12/2020 12:28:16 2 2
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Maybe if we had obeyed the rules, lockdowned faster, opened up slower etc we would not have to worry about 'neglected other conditions'
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15/12/2020 12:29:17 3 2
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The problem is that the NHS doesn't have enough staff to treat everyone. If people strictly followed the guidelines that the NHS might stand a chance. Please remember some people caught C-19 in hospital earlier in year including doctors & nurses. My aunt was ill in hospital in March, she caught Covid and died at the start of May.
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15/12/2020 12:33:02 4 2
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It's not because of "the focus on covid" its because of the inability to deal with Covid and run normal services. Due to many reasons.
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15/12/2020 12:46:16 2 0
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I'm afraid those types of deaths don't sell newspapers or get people reading crassly written news websites!
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15/12/2020 12:51:08 2 0
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Brexit and what you have said here, from the start have been my only concerns. Covid-19 to me is minor, insignificant and blown out of all proportion. We now have no economy, huge debt and a poorly managed country because of it. Anyone thinking the UK has handled this well is deluded and ignorant. It gets worse though, come 1 Jan. It is what the English asked for though. Dug their own grave.
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15/12/2020 12:53:05 1 0
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I suspect not. I suspect further he like myself has been saying the approach taken is madness, but we have been pilloried for saying so for 9 months. The big question here, is why all the clowns currently happy to send the economy and the treatment of anything other than covid down the pan, were not happy to burn billions on improved healthcare previously?
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15/12/2020 12:53:35 0 4
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There is no other choice but to focus on covid as so many folk require hospital
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15/12/2020 13:04:24 0 1
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How does one stop focusing on covid? Let the covid patients die? Hospitals have finite capacity, obviously A&E comes first. The solution is to cut covid cases, as many of us were saying months ago when the rest of the country wanted to hit the pub.
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15/12/2020 11:13:34 9 3
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I’d love to know the true origins of this virus. I think the results might be, interesting..
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15/12/2020 11:18:24 4 10
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It originated in animals before jumping to humans, can't you read?
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15/12/2020 12:10:19 0 1
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The origins of this virus aren't that interesting. Its the origins of the plans of the governments, health bodies and other "foundations" "colleges" and "think tanks" that is the more prevalent question. In the grand scheme of things this virus whilst not particularly pleasant will have very little effect on the worlds ongoing population.
I am surprised someone hasn't blamed the BBC for reporting this. There is always an idiot about. Removed
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15/12/2020 11:13:42 1 3
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Yes, and we can tell who they are! LOL. ??
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15/12/2020 11:19:07 1 1
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Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to be rude. I’m sure the same people would be the cowards who wouldn’t say boo to a goose in the real world but, somehow, they feel so brave behind their keyboards! ????
I am surprised someone hasn't blamed the BBC for reporting this. There is always an idiot about. Removed
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15/12/2020 11:14:06 1 1
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takes one to know one ?
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15/12/2020 11:14:16 4 4
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No one really raised an eyebrow at the mutation in Scandinavia related to mink. Now that it’s a UK variant it’s suddenly time to cause panic in the media? This was specifically raised by Hancock yesterday as the first step to cancelling Xmas. He hasn’t got the guts to just come out with it. Funny how Sadiq Khan has now London’s in Tier 3
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15/12/2020 11:17:34 1 5
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It wasn't Khan who put London in Tier 3, it was the Government. Get the facts straight even if they don't suit your political agenda
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15/12/2020 11:18:57 1 1
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"No one really raised an eyebrow at the mutation in Scandinavia related to mink."

The BBC ran the story for several days but didn't get the reaction they wanted.
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15/12/2020 11:14:16 4 4
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Convenient release of the story to scaremonger.
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15/12/2020 11:16:17 0 2
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I prefer to hear about developments as and when they happen
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15/12/2020 11:12:24 4 8
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Time to put the scientists and 'experts' back into their Ivory Towers, lock 'em up and throw away the key.
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15/12/2020 11:14:41 8 3
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Time to put the nutjobs and 'conspiracy theorists' back into their cages, lock 'em up and throw away the key.
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15/12/2020 11:19:02 2 1
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Too right!
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15/12/2020 11:15:06 0 1
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There are at least six strains, 13 variants and thousands of genomic differences within them, this is normal in viruses, eg see:
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/48/30679

Spread map here: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/coronavirus-mutations-map-the-global-outbreak/

Lots of authoritative sources - just have to look: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/
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15/12/2020 11:23:59 0 1
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Thanks for the links mate -- but your original sentence was enough. Busy today working hard... but tx :-)
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15/12/2020 11:15:19 4 2
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Any opportunity for the media to inflate things and they will jump on it.

It is well known that viruses are continually mutating so this should be no surprise to anyone.
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15/12/2020 11:32:19 0 1
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They are, but some do so relatively harmlessly, like measles. One vaccination protects for life. Others don't (e.g. 'flu) and need repeated vaccination. Once more's known about covid, they'll know better how dangerous mutations might be, and the press will have to find something else to write scare stories about.
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15/12/2020 11:15:21 13 1
bbc
The BBC Reports, "When the government announced the relaxation of rules for Christmas, it was hoped cases would be falling right up to the festive period...
That has not turned out to be the case - hence the moving of London and some of the surrounding areas into tier three."

Well, it is right down up North... if the BBC could be bother to look past the M25! People do live outside of London!!!
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15/12/2020 11:18:11 5 3
bbc
Stop testing with a test which has been judged not fit for purpose which is up to 97% Innacurate!
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15/12/2020 11:12:24 3 2
bbc
Not worried self-isolating aged 68 -hurry up get more vaccines done please !
43
15/12/2020 11:15:40 1 3
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Go out and live! According to CNN we should not be surprised if old people die after having the vaccine.
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15/12/2020 11:15:44 1 2
bbc
Perhaps the scientists have been conducting extensive research into the morality of a significant sample of UK residents, so they can state as fact that a large proportion of the public have decided to use Christmas as an opportunity to party to excess and flout the rules. If not, the BMJ are making this up for political reasons, which undermines everything else they claim as fact.
67
15/12/2020 11:19:31 0 2
bbc
Why not, they seem to have made everything else up until now...
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mg
15/12/2020 11:12:43 9 7
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bbc
lets make sure the sheep are more worried over xmas
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15/12/2020 11:15:58 2 1
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But they are telling the truth, all viruses mutate, this is just following that path. Additionally, the article does clearly state that this shouldn’t affect the results of the vaccine.
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15/12/2020 11:16:15 2 5
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I am not worried at all. I keep myself safe and have no pets.
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15/12/2020 11:25:18 1 1
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That's what we should all be doing - we shouldn't need the gov. to direct every move we make. Sweden's doing much better than us with no lockdown, just advice that the people (rather more sensible than UK people) followed. We're just staying home and internet shopping. Minimal risk.
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15/12/2020 11:14:16 4 4
bbc
Convenient release of the story to scaremonger.
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15/12/2020 11:16:17 0 2
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I prefer to hear about developments as and when they happen
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15/12/2020 11:07:58 27 17
bbc
Haha. Not worried at all. Viruses mutate. This one has already mutated months ago. Nothing to see here. More panic mongering by the BBC. Hancock is using this as a tool to deflect criticism from putting London in tier 3. So obvious. Worry about a mutation if you want but the science suggests it is not really news that we should be doing so. Note to beeb: Stop scaring people deliberately please.
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15/12/2020 11:16:26 12 2
bbc
It's not just the BBC, look at every front page of newspapers today, they're all doing it.
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15/12/2020 11:08:28 3 4
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All organisms mutate. It's almost part of life's definition. In fact this virus mutates relatively slowly. Also there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this new strain is more infectious, or deadly, or will circumvent immunity

It should be very evident now, that as people get wise to his last scaremongering tactic, Hancock always tries to pull a new one out of the hat: another dead rabbit
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15/12/2020 11:19:32 2 3
bbc
Why would Hancock be scaremongering?
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15/12/2020 11:22:08 0 1
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You clearly don't know much about the subject.
Sick and tired of these over hyped headlines now. Go out and live your life! Removed
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DMC
15/12/2020 11:19:50 110 140
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Is the global pandemic, which has killed over a million people, with no signs of abating getting boring for you now ? Tune into Mrs Browns Boys or something.
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15/12/2020 11:37:32 21 22
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Yeh...drink and be merry for tomorrow we may all die! Reckless attitude panda!
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15/12/2020 11:47:19 17 4
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The tabloids don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
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15/12/2020 11:53:42 9 5
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Here's a thing..

Mutation might NOT be dangerous this time, but in future it may be. How does a virus mutate?

Every time it jumps, its got a chance.. that's how.

So spreading more, is never an answer, ESPECIALLY with a zoonotic virus. If you want to be scared, or have a reason, understand why the world scientific community responds this way to zoonotic diseases.
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15/12/2020 12:02:54 4 3
bbc
It's a faux concern, and it's part of an online campaign led by the reactionary right-wing to undermine CV19 restrictions.

Yes, viruses mutate, which is why the right-wing's herd immunity policy was always so much idiocy.

Not so long ago the right-wing were attacking the projections that without a 2-week fire break CV19 would hit very high heights of infection; the forecasts were correct!
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15/12/2020 12:06:48 2 4
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Stay in and save some . . .
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15/12/2020 12:12:10 0 3
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Then your die think
598
15/12/2020 12:34:30 1 1
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And just dont care, spread the virus and to hell with everyone else. We cant live our lives as normal until we have this thing under control.

Even then we will have to adapt to a new normal.
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15/12/2020 13:05:48 0 0
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The first may negate the second
807
15/12/2020 13:07:28 0 0
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that's the attitude which got us into this mess to begin with. Be a good panda and do what you're told and this will all be over quicker.
820
15/12/2020 13:08:22 0 2
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Yeah ?stay away from me !
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15/12/2020 11:13:26 4 2
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Given the rapid spread, are masks actually working? I won't stop wearing one but the initial advice from Mr Witty & co was they didn't make much difference.
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15/12/2020 11:21:29 3 2
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A 'quick' look at the data suggests places that mandated masks have done worse than those that didn't. Belgium (the worst hit country) has now abandoned them. I think the danger is that people feel safer with one, then forget the other essential - sanitising after touching any surface that someone else has touched. I'm still happy to go with the gov. directions, but I don't think its working.
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15/12/2020 11:13:47 7 3
bbc
Worried? No. Worried that a meteor might destroy the planet ? No. Moving on.
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JGC
15/12/2020 11:12:09 2 1
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It's the seeds being sown for another Government U-turn. "You know we said you can meet up for Christmas? Well we discovered this mutation so now it's much too dangerous and we can't allow you to see anyone else at Christmas".
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15/12/2020 11:14:28 0 2
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To which the vast majority will simply ignore.
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15/12/2020 11:14:16 4 4
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No one really raised an eyebrow at the mutation in Scandinavia related to mink. Now that it’s a UK variant it’s suddenly time to cause panic in the media? This was specifically raised by Hancock yesterday as the first step to cancelling Xmas. He hasn’t got the guts to just come out with it. Funny how Sadiq Khan has now London’s in Tier 3
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15/12/2020 11:17:34 1 5
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It wasn't Khan who put London in Tier 3, it was the Government. Get the facts straight even if they don't suit your political agenda
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15/12/2020 11:21:40 1 1
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Khan has said the govt should reconsider the 5 days at Xmas. It wasn’t a comment about tier 3 but that might involve reading what was written not just assuming theirs a political agenda because there isn’t. They’ll all hopeless
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15/12/2020 11:17:45 20 14
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Seriously Hancock announced this just seconds before he announced that London was going into tier 3, now all we are hearing is how ministers and MP's want restrictions to stay in place for xmas, we are being taken for mugs people, again not a shred off evidence that covid is a problem in the hospitality sector, and clearly Novembers lockdown was a complete waste off time.
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15/12/2020 12:24:34 3 2
bbc
Indeed, the main worry is that there will be another massive government overreaction. They are destroying this country over a cold virus that has twice failed to overwhelm the health service.
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15/12/2020 11:17:49 1 2
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Not very according to all the experts...Seems fair...
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15/12/2020 11:17:54 8 5
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Worried - not really, just cautious. But I do listen to a whole lot of genuine 'experts' who think the Christmas 'easing' is a big mistake we'll have to pay for. I've been in a personal 'Tier 3 plus' throughout, it really isn't so bad and I'm planning on keeping well until I get the shot. Impatience is a killer (maybe not for you but for your granny, someone else's granny...).
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15/12/2020 11:21:02 0 1
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Check out bitchute "Honest doctors are trying to warn you!"
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15/12/2020 11:17:57 33 12
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As the article says this virus has been mutating since day one, as all virus' do, yet the whole headline basically saying 'you should be scared' is scaremongering at its best. Instead of putting out proper restrictions Hancock is instead trying to scare people into being more careful. They can't be honest and upfront for one second.
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15/12/2020 11:44:07 17 10
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How is it scaremongering to literally give you all the answers to if you should be scared or not?

Scaremongering would be to tell people there's cause for alarm and panic.

Do you see any of that in this article? No.
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15/12/2020 11:18:01 2 3
bbc
So we have seen 1,000 cases of this new variant in Kent but this is nothing then to do with the latest surge of cases in the South East of England including London.
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15/12/2020 11:15:21 13 1
bbc
The BBC Reports, "When the government announced the relaxation of rules for Christmas, it was hoped cases would be falling right up to the festive period...
That has not turned out to be the case - hence the moving of London and some of the surrounding areas into tier three."

Well, it is right down up North... if the BBC could be bother to look past the M25! People do live outside of London!!!
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15/12/2020 11:18:11 5 3
bbc
Stop testing with a test which has been judged not fit for purpose which is up to 97% Innacurate!
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15/12/2020 13:47:40 0 0
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The "rapid-flow" test is actually fifty percent inaccurate in that it (rather worryingly) gives a 50-50 chance of giving a false negative. So "not fit for purpose" - agree.
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DMC
15/12/2020 11:18:17 8 7
bbc
Like any virus it mutates - It could make it weaker, it could make it less transmutable. It could of course do the opposite and make it hardier and more easily transmitted

One to wait on

What is more worrying is a government bullying of local councils who are trying to protect their schoolchildren. A 75% increase across 10-19 year olds and the odious Williamson is wielding the legal stick.
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15/12/2020 12:07:33 0 1
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Children do not 'need' protecting from the virus, they need protecting from being thick for the next 50+ years of their lives.

Just don't take the kids to granny for 7 days.
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15/12/2020 12:07:55 0 0
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We've been through every age group and back again on blaming for so called rises in this virus. It was kids then it was students then it was in the 40-50 bracket and now we are back at kids. Ridiculous
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15/12/2020 11:13:34 9 3
bbc
I’d love to know the true origins of this virus. I think the results might be, interesting..
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15/12/2020 11:18:24 4 10
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It originated in animals before jumping to humans, can't you read?
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15/12/2020 11:22:50 5 2
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Can’t you think for yourself?! Do you believe everything you are told?
Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to be rude. I’m sure the same people would be the cowards who wouldn’t say boo to a goose in the real world but, somehow, they feel so brave behind their keyboards! ????
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15/12/2020 11:14:16 4 4
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No one really raised an eyebrow at the mutation in Scandinavia related to mink. Now that it’s a UK variant it’s suddenly time to cause panic in the media? This was specifically raised by Hancock yesterday as the first step to cancelling Xmas. He hasn’t got the guts to just come out with it. Funny how Sadiq Khan has now London’s in Tier 3
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15/12/2020 11:18:57 1 1
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"No one really raised an eyebrow at the mutation in Scandinavia related to mink."

The BBC ran the story for several days but didn't get the reaction they wanted.
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15/12/2020 11:14:41 8 3
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Time to put the nutjobs and 'conspiracy theorists' back into their cages, lock 'em up and throw away the key.
64
15/12/2020 11:19:02 2 1
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Too right!
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15/12/2020 11:13:42 1 3
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Yes, and we can tell who they are! LOL. ??
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15/12/2020 11:19:07 1 1
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Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to be rude. I’m sure the same people would be the cowards who wouldn’t say boo to a goose in the real world but, somehow, they feel so brave behind their keyboards! ????
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15/12/2020 11:21:28 0 1
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Have you been bothering geese lately James?
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15/12/2020 11:19:26 1 1
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"How worried should we be?"

Far too early to say, but it does give the journalists any excuse to keep this story running for another few months.

Also why did EVERY journalists ask a question about Christmas in yesterdays briefing, it got to a point when Matt Hancock effectively said "ENOUGH (QUESTIONS) ABOUT CHRISTMAS ALREADY!!"
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15/12/2020 11:25:20 1 2
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OBVIOUS , XMAS is the biggest celebrated holiday in BRITAIN annually
Seems a major topic for the journalists as only days away. So their xmas hols questions IS NOT JUST FOR JOE IN THE STREET PUBLIC
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15/12/2020 11:15:44 1 2
bbc
Perhaps the scientists have been conducting extensive research into the morality of a significant sample of UK residents, so they can state as fact that a large proportion of the public have decided to use Christmas as an opportunity to party to excess and flout the rules. If not, the BMJ are making this up for political reasons, which undermines everything else they claim as fact.
67
15/12/2020 11:19:31 0 2
bbc
Why not, they seem to have made everything else up until now...
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15/12/2020 11:08:28 3 4
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All organisms mutate. It's almost part of life's definition. In fact this virus mutates relatively slowly. Also there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this new strain is more infectious, or deadly, or will circumvent immunity

It should be very evident now, that as people get wise to his last scaremongering tactic, Hancock always tries to pull a new one out of the hat: another dead rabbit
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15/12/2020 11:19:32 2 3
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Why would Hancock be scaremongering?
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15/12/2020 11:19:43 1 2
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"How worried should we be?" to jazz it up the article needs a worry-o-meter - so you can compare with other people. Maybe a list of questions that you score 1 - 10, add it all up and tells you how worried you are - then maybe obscured, upside down there is score for how worried you should be. So's not to skew the results, people in ICU shouldn't be allowed to participate - nor anyone under 5.
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15/12/2020 11:19:44 4 3
bbc
Most scientists seem to agree the virus made the leap from animals to humans. What is being done to stop this happening again? China and other countries need to end the hideous 'wet markets' and mass breeding of animals for human consumption.
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15/12/2020 11:22:09 1 2
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Paid government scientists seem to agree....
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15/12/2020 11:29:20 1 1
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It's called nature, organisms adapt to new environments. If you have an issue with that I suggest you take it up with God if you believe in that sort thing.

Have any pets do you ? There's a whole host of parasitic organisms living on them shuffling their genes ready to make the leap to you.
Sick and tired of these over hyped headlines now. Go out and live your life! Removed
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DMC
15/12/2020 11:19:50 110 140
bbc
Is the global pandemic, which has killed over a million people, with no signs of abating getting boring for you now ? Tune into Mrs Browns Boys or something.
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15/12/2020 11:23:32 53 17
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HIV, TB & Malaria kill millions worldwide every year. Save your mock outrage for those victims.
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15/12/2020 11:24:35 29 14
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Funny how excess deaths haven't risen by the same amount. In fact deaths in USA seems to be down 20%.
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15/12/2020 11:53:09 14 9
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Tell me how many people would have usually died worldwide over the same period and how it compares to this year. People did die before March you know this isn't a new thing. A child dies from hunger every 10 seconds shouldn't that be more of a concern?
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15/12/2020 11:56:30 3 5
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You also have to question that figure of a million people - surely any rational person can see these figures have been inflated when you look at what constitutes a covid death. This isn't hidden anywhere either it's in plain sight.
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15/12/2020 12:17:20 1 1
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You must be living in fear - are over 70yrs old, because then it's justified.

You can't find a public facing report broken down into age groups and know comorbidities.
Yes, it is a deadly virus, so far it looks like 4% of the population, what is around 280million globally could die from it - out of 7 billion and the majority +60 yrs old.
Could affects some in my family but none is in panic.
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15/12/2020 12:17:28 2 4
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Yep very boring when it's actually harmless to the overwhelming majority. The only story here is the chaotic government and the media's obsession with spreading gloom and doom.
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15/12/2020 12:45:23 1 0
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Some perspective for you. A million people die in the world every single week! That's the problem when you don't get balanced reporting.
15/12/2020 14:35:00 1 0
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dont be afraid of your freedom
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15/12/2020 11:19:53 174 68
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Incidentally, worldwide, tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke.

That's EVERY YEAR ...

So, where's the no smoking lockdown when you need it ... ?
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15/12/2020 11:33:12 133 78
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because you cant give someone a smoking related illness by just standing next to them, and it genertally takes years for illnesses to develop... bit of a stupid analogy when you think about it
Tobacco addiction is not contagious. It's a personal choice to smoke. It's nothing like Covid you total and utter sheet head. Removed
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15/12/2020 11:42:10 29 20
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Aids killed approx. 1 million people last year and infected another 2 million people. In SA 25% of Deaths were due to Aids. That's just one preventable virus or disease that we do nothing about because it does not affect us directly or it because its an African problem far far away. Covid has shown how weak our leadership is in the west and how gullible people are to the media and government spin.
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15/12/2020 12:09:27 13 4
bbc
Everyone who is born dies - when is the intercourse lockdown?
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15/12/2020 12:12:32 1 2
bbc
So what
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15/12/2020 12:21:13 3 0
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Tobacco earns too much tax revenue for the Government. They would never ban it.
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15/12/2020 12:33:12 3 2
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On top of what everyone else is saying we are naturally reducing the number of people smoking in the world through clear education on the health risks associated with it. We have also taken steps to prevent exposure to second hand smoke.

The number of smokers in the world are estimated to be in the billions, whereas covid cases have not reached 100 million in total, but has 1.6 million deaths.
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15/12/2020 12:34:29 2 1
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"Incidentally, worldwide, tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. "

Not a good analogy as smoking is a choice. And your passive smoking figure is speculative.
650
15/12/2020 12:42:18 4 0
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And the starvation virus killing 8m a year - we have a vaccine called food but no one cares or does much - stay indoors!!!!
783
15/12/2020 13:02:28 0 0
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If everyone acts normally - even with vaccines - wait for the number to match yours, easily
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15/12/2020 13:05:13 1 0
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Let me know when you find someone who catches a smoking-related illness....
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15/12/2020 13:58:06 0 0
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so in the last 70 years about my life time say 5 million a year = 350 million died before there time because of SMOKING and who advertised smoking in almost every old film yes the yanks almost in every sean there was someone lighting up, or smoking lets get at the real truth how much was the film producing companies paid to have someone smoking in every sean
15/12/2020 15:09:18 0 0
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If you smoke in your house who is going to know
15/12/2020 15:12:52 0 0
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Absolutely, and the tabaco corps sell most of it in China & developing countries as they can't sell it in the West anymore. Covid reactions are completely our of proportion and should be brought back in line with everything else.
15/12/2020 16:44:55 0 0
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At my local pub.
15/12/2020 16:52:08 0 0
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Perhaps you want everyone to be banned from doing anything that has a risk element.

So giving up driving cars, going on holidays and having children are you?
15/12/2020 17:05:43 0 0
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There is!
Smoking is banned from the hospitality sectors I visit. e,g, pubs, restaurants, gyms.

There are punitive fines on anyone buying tobacco (sorry tax)
15/12/2020 17:23:51 0 0
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And alcohol is a huge killer but apparently its considered a necessity in the UK.
15/12/2020 21:39:31 0 0
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Tobacco industry wouldn't stand for it.
15/12/2020 23:43:15 0 0
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Not sure if you have noticed but smoking is a voluntary action.
In fact , one that people are willing to pay for.
They make their choice they take the consequence
16/12/2020 00:44:38 0 0
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A no smoking lockdown? Please explain how that would work?
16/12/2020 10:07:23 0 0
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And alcohol is just as bad yet we continue to manufacture it and sell it. Both smoking and alcohol consumption have a devastating effect on our nearest and dearest but Government is more or less oblivious to this. At the same time it fiercely regulates other drugs. Politicians are hypocrits.
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15/12/2020 11:20:05 35 11
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Oh no we're all gonna die! Well at some point in the future anyway
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15/12/2020 13:38:25 1 1
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But do you want to live with long covid every day until you finally do die?
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15/12/2020 11:11:19 10 7
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These are the sort of headlines we hate BBC. You might as well as how worried we should be crossing the road or getting into a car. Life comes with risks. Stop scaremongering.
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15/12/2020 11:20:16 1 3
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They are reporting what's happening. Most sane and reasonable people want to know what's happening
Did it mutate in the Wuhan idc and IV labs between 2012 and 2018 when it most likely escaped Removed
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15/12/2020 11:20:29 4 4
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No
Did it mutate in the Wuhan idc and IV labs between 2012 and 2018 when it most likely escaped Removed
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15/12/2020 11:20:42 3 5
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And your proof of this is where? Right in the misinformation garbage bin I suppose. What do people get out of spreading conspiracies from behind a screen? Please just stop it.
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15/12/2020 11:51:04 0 1
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2 cows in a field. 1 says to the other "I'm sure humans feed us so that they can kill and eat us" The other says "Don't be silly, you and your conspires".
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15/12/2020 11:20:55 3 2
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New Covid strain: How worried should we be?

I dont know BBC ... how many articles are you going to write that suggest we should be worried ?????
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15/12/2020 11:20:59 71 2
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I love the phrase "Coronavirus is trying out different combinations to properly nail...."
This makes it sound as if the virus has some kind of positive purpose of intent, whereas it clearly doesn't - it's a bloody virus!
What is likely driving these mutations is that the virus is in a novel environment (i.e. humans) and that is driving mutations. Nature in action! :)
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15/12/2020 12:15:43 32 46
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In fairness it was a well designed virus from Wuhan
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15/12/2020 12:22:16 5 1
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I saw a government medical advisor on the news telling us all that if we dropped our guard, the virus would 'come and get you'. Seriously. That's what he said. Good God almighty.
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15/12/2020 12:45:29 4 0
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Viruses mutate naturally. The mutations that have a competitive advantage propagate and those that haven't don't. A mutation with a large CFR will tend to die out. A mutation with a lower CFR and higher infectiousness will spread more. The ones to worry about are those with a high CFR, a short period to become infectious but a long time time to develop symptoms.
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15/12/2020 14:02:11 11 1
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it's a very intelligent virus; it will leave you alone if you eat food e.g a scotch egg in a pub/resturant, it hates business meetings (never turns up for them unless there is more than 1k attending) & it can't stand outside sporting events unless of course there is more than 4k attending in which case it is all over said event. I would say it would beat Matt Hancock in an IQ test.....comfortably
15/12/2020 23:58:46 2 0
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RNA viruses will mutate pretty much in any suitable host environment they find themselves in. Their replication mechanism (they hijack the host cell's machinery to make copies of themselves) is inherently more error-prone than, e.g., bacterial reproduction.
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15/12/2020 11:17:54 8 5
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Worried - not really, just cautious. But I do listen to a whole lot of genuine 'experts' who think the Christmas 'easing' is a big mistake we'll have to pay for. I've been in a personal 'Tier 3 plus' throughout, it really isn't so bad and I'm planning on keeping well until I get the shot. Impatience is a killer (maybe not for you but for your granny, someone else's granny...).
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15/12/2020 11:21:02 0 1
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Check out bitchute "Honest doctors are trying to warn you!"
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15/12/2020 11:21:04 62 24
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One day we all die of something and that's very unlikely to be Covid, so worry yourself to death about the other ways you are going to shuffle off this mortal coil.
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15/12/2020 11:26:40 42 57
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Covid has pushed up the chances of dying early, that's the issue
T-W-A-T! Removed
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15/12/2020 13:04:07 0 0
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If you live long enough you'll die much earlier than you normally would - with a COVID strain
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15/12/2020 11:08:47 51 28
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This is classic scare-mongering by the Government or rather the Health Secretary. This is nothing new and nothing to be concerned about. It's called control by fear, which is what the Government and scientists have been doing throughout this pandemic.
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15/12/2020 11:21:09 26 37
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IF you didnt put the fear factor in the public domain, another 1 million or more cases and a 100,000 deceased would have been recorded to date. all vunarable types and most over 60 catching covid is devastating with 95% of SAD covid deaths relating to that age and above , so if your over 60yrs old, its a extremely STRESSFUL and worrying year indeed. NUM NUTS
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15/12/2020 11:25:50 4 3
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Wrong, go watch Ivor Cummins video Empirical Truth for a full explanation of government data
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37p
15/12/2020 11:41:41 11 3
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Have you got evidence for the extra cases and deaths? I'd like to see these as when I look at worldwide figures it looks to be very similar percentages to the UK.

No need for name calling - it doesn't improve your argument.
777
15/12/2020 13:02:09 7 0
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Stay inside then
15/12/2020 18:27:26 0 1
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I'm over 60 and not at all concerned.
15/12/2020 21:54:48 2 1
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I am 63 and not concerned at all, I am old enough to know that driving my car is by far the most dangerous thing I do, statistically.
15/12/2020 22:24:31 1 1
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'...so if your over 60yrs old, its a extremely STRESSFUL and worrying year indeed'
How patronising! Unlikely that everyone over 60 is a quivering jelly? Concerned? Likely. But why do you think 'most over 60 catching covid is devastating' when all official figures suggest otherwise?
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15/12/2020 11:21:23 4 1
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The strategy for protecting yourself against it is exactly the same
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15/12/2020 11:19:07 1 1
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Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to be rude. I’m sure the same people would be the cowards who wouldn’t say boo to a goose in the real world but, somehow, they feel so brave behind their keyboards! ????
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15/12/2020 11:21:28 0 1
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Have you been bothering geese lately James?
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15/12/2020 11:13:26 4 2
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Given the rapid spread, are masks actually working? I won't stop wearing one but the initial advice from Mr Witty & co was they didn't make much difference.
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15/12/2020 11:21:29 3 2
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A 'quick' look at the data suggests places that mandated masks have done worse than those that didn't. Belgium (the worst hit country) has now abandoned them. I think the danger is that people feel safer with one, then forget the other essential - sanitising after touching any surface that someone else has touched. I'm still happy to go with the gov. directions, but I don't think its working.
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15/12/2020 11:17:34 1 5
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It wasn't Khan who put London in Tier 3, it was the Government. Get the facts straight even if they don't suit your political agenda
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15/12/2020 11:21:40 1 1
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Khan has said the govt should reconsider the 5 days at Xmas. It wasn’t a comment about tier 3 but that might involve reading what was written not just assuming theirs a political agenda because there isn’t. They’ll all hopeless
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15/12/2020 11:21:45 4 4
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Loved this announcement - apparently it's the justification for London being in Tier 3 and not the fact that they've been packing together like sardines in the shops, on public transport and on the streets.

Anyone see the photos yesterday? THAT'S why cases in London are through the roof. Not because of a new strain, but because as usual, Londoners think they're exempt from the rules.
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15/12/2020 11:21:49 30 14
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Stop the fear-mongering BBC -- and the Government. For goodness sake. Even the notion that there is a new strain is being disputed. Hancock was out of order yesterday.... A new strain is to be expected -- and it has already been published many times, current vaccines will still be effective. Enough!
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15/12/2020 11:23:59 15 15
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Exactly. Stop reporting the news unless it's something that cheers me up!
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15/12/2020 11:11:06 43 14
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Viruses mutate all the time, so it is not surprising that this has been found. What is important is how fast they mutate and coronavirus has so far shown it is nothing like the common cold or flu. It would be very unfortunate if it mutated in such a way that the vaccine no longer worked, but it is so unlikely that it doesn't warrant this much scaremongering.

We need to stop the constant fear.
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15/12/2020 11:21:56 23 9
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The report quotes scientists who state that there is most likely nothing to be concerned about, so how is it scaremongering?
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15/12/2020 11:35:17 7 4
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Front page BBC yesterday: 'New variant' of coronavirus identified in England.

With all that is going on and how terrified everyone currently is with the virus, do you think that this headline will not cause fear?

It's hardly like the headline was 'Scientists say "nothing to worry about with new coronavirus strain" is it?
15/12/2020 17:26:09 3 0
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A lot of people are too lazy to read past the headline, unfortunately.
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15/12/2020 11:21:59 2 3
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This is all turning to panic and chaos again. GROUNDHOG DAY! The narrative has shifted very silently to "personal responsibility" - so if anything goes wrong now - IT'S YOUR OWN FAULTS.
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15/12/2020 11:42:19 0 1
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It should always have been personal responsibility
... from realising you can't send infected people back to nursing homes, to not partying ... to not going out (more than is essential) if you are 'at risk' ... etc
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15/12/2020 11:08:28 3 4
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All organisms mutate. It's almost part of life's definition. In fact this virus mutates relatively slowly. Also there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this new strain is more infectious, or deadly, or will circumvent immunity

It should be very evident now, that as people get wise to his last scaremongering tactic, Hancock always tries to pull a new one out of the hat: another dead rabbit
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15/12/2020 11:22:08 0 1
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You clearly don't know much about the subject.
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15/12/2020 11:19:44 4 3
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Most scientists seem to agree the virus made the leap from animals to humans. What is being done to stop this happening again? China and other countries need to end the hideous 'wet markets' and mass breeding of animals for human consumption.
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15/12/2020 11:22:09 1 2
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Paid government scientists seem to agree....
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15/12/2020 11:06:55 238 59
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It does feel like the media’s love of sensationalising news for the sake of profit has been exploited with this revelation, potentially to distract from something else.

Until scientists have learned more about the consequences of this mutation, something that’s normal for a virus to do, this should have stayed out of the public eye.
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15/12/2020 11:22:36 121 30
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The media? Matt Hancock made the statement...
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15/12/2020 11:29:50 40 9
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The media choose the headline and reporting angle... "how worried should be be" implies that we potentially should be worried. They could have gone for simply "New Covid strain identified" and left it at that. Or they could have gone with "Virus confirmed to act like a Virus"
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15/12/2020 11:36:05 36 4
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The way Hancock's statement has been reported by some has bordered on hysterical. "MUTANT COVID" on the front of the Metro this morning accompanied with a medic in some scary PPE. How is that helpful to anyone? How's someone vulnerable meant to feel seeing that?

The (more) optimistic news needs to be reported with the bad, like the new strain is unlikely to cause more severe illness.
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Bob
15/12/2020 11:36:10 16 3
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He did - and he said that so far they believe the vaccine will still work and the cause of increased spread *may* be due to the mutation, but is still unknown.

His words were not alarmist and contained all the caution you would expect.
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15/12/2020 11:36:19 19 2
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I quite agree with the views of B, Z & M. Perhaps Hancock should have been more guarded in what he said, but it is typical of the media to sensationalise. I sometimes wonder if the media does more harm than good, by putting a spin on a story rather than sticking to plain facts. But then again would that sell? And more fool the public for buying into it.
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15/12/2020 11:37:29 2 3
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Yes poor Troll you are correct, I,m surprised he didnt cry some crocodile droplets.
549
15/12/2020 12:27:05 3 0
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The media would have found out and passed on the information with the garnish of negativity that is is such high demand these days.
15/12/2020 16:50:42 0 0
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...and the Media hyped it up. Matt Hancock is there to make statements based on Fact and Science. The media doesn't need to try to instil fear and worry on the general populous and major on a tiny element of the statement ignoring the supporting information that downplays its risk.
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15/12/2020 11:22:40 0 4
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Very worried. It clearly shows the pharma industrial complex could very easily keep this going for ever. That is the theme of a new film called 'Songbird'. Trailer on Youtube.

'Covid 23 has mutated'.
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15/12/2020 11:25:28 0 3
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I am surprised someone hasn't blamed the BBC for reporting this. There is always an idiot about. Removed
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15/12/2020 11:22:49 0 2
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Haven't you read the above comments? Tin foil hat brigade and deniers out in force
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15/12/2020 11:18:24 4 10
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It originated in animals before jumping to humans, can't you read?
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15/12/2020 11:22:50 5 2
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Can’t you think for yourself?! Do you believe everything you are told?
Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to be rude. I’m sure the same people would be the cowards who wouldn’t say boo to a goose in the real world but, somehow, they feel so brave behind their keyboards! ????
16/12/2020 13:43:07 0 0
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Well said
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15/12/2020 11:23:05 3 3
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As an Emeritus Professor I too have little idea about this because not enough is yet known or published. My personal advice is to continue to wash your hands, cover your face and make space.
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15/12/2020 11:27:48 2 4
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Even though face masks give you pneumonia..
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15/12/2020 11:23:05 1 2
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It's all to do with generating sensationalized headlines to try and flog failing newspapers and the BBC web site. Nothing more, nothing less.
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15/12/2020 11:49:39 0 1
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Apart from stupid, what's that meant to offer? Is it your attempt at conjuring up a conspiracy theory?
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15/12/2020 11:23:14 33 6
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Nothing has killed more of humanity than humanity itself.
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15/12/2020 11:33:57 1 3
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if you were a million yrs old with constant data on sickness and war you could have a valid point . IN LESS THAN a hundred years you and i will be just dust in the ground.
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15/12/2020 11:47:46 1 4
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Bubonic plague wiped out half of Europe. With too few people to work the land much of it rewilded as trees recolonised. This probably promoted the 'Little Ice Age' in the northern hemisphere. The next big killer is tobacco, which has killed more people than all known wars. Then there was the 1918 flu pandemic. That was pretty brutal. SARS-CoV-2 has potential to evolve into something much worse.
Tim
16/12/2020 05:30:42 0 0
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Nope virus's would take the top spot and then famine if we go back in time. However not to say we havn't added to the toll.
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15/12/2020 11:23:22 1 5
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I'm planning for a "lite Christmas"
Not like the ones we used to know ...
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DMC
15/12/2020 11:19:50 110 140
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Is the global pandemic, which has killed over a million people, with no signs of abating getting boring for you now ? Tune into Mrs Browns Boys or something.
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15/12/2020 11:23:32 53 17
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HIV, TB & Malaria kill millions worldwide every year. Save your mock outrage for those victims.
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15/12/2020 11:50:44 9 9
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Malaria is not human to human transmission.
HIV is not contagious to 2.5 , nor does it use the same vectors.
TB has a vaccine and we have herd immunity in our adult population, due to the fact that it was as good as MANDATORY until 2005 in all schools. (it left a scar too!)

The outrage s valid, it's playing out again now - Private companies profiting and poor countries not getting treatments.
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15/12/2020 12:20:55 2 2
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None of these can be transmitted by simply breathing the same air as some one who is infected.
Also, please do remember, that when HIV came on the scene there where massive campaigns to help people avoid contracting HIV
15/12/2020 16:08:20 0 0
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well said