'New variant' of coronavirus identified in England
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The new strain may be growing faster in some parts of the country, Health Secretary tells MPs.
Now justify this assertion.
You have no evidence?
Oh! What a surprise.
You have no evidence?
Oh! What a surprise.
That must be a lie we were told coronavirus could not mutate. Or have we been lied to, again?
All RNA viruses can mutate - that is their thing - due to faulty proof reading of the genome.
No we have not. Where is this document that states that?
?? No one (or at least no one credible or mainstream) has suggested this for a second. The potential for it to mutate has been a news story most of the year. They were reporting in the summer how it might mutate and require a new vaccine each year like the flue. There has already been a new strain that people caught on those mink farms.
You were expecting a virus to play by some rules??
If this is true then we need full lockdown in those areas otherwise the whole year has been a waste of time
Unpopular though it would be, I'm inclined to agree with you. Seems the first few readers of your post don't, but heck - nail the sod while it is relatively confined. Isn't that what we would have hoped to do on the first wave, but couldn't (lack of knowledge, vaccine etc.) Everyone has said "dither and delay" caused the outbreak to be worse than necessary - so nail it this time. Hard and early.
Not surprising given the fact that viruses often mutate, let's hope existing vaccines are still effective in combatting this new strain
About 80% of infected people are already immune to Covid because of previous exposure to related Corona viruses.
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And combating spelling mistakes,
This is a variant, not a mutation. They sound similar but are not the same.
Carry on...
Carry on...
It has been reported that the antigen that the vaccine recognises is on the virus spike which was not thought to mutate. The spike is the key that gets the virus into the cell. Let’s hope the key is unique.
I honestly don't car anymore. The vast majority of the under 40's won't have any issues. They should shield the vulnerable and carry on as normal. Sedition is the only way to go.
For it to mutate, it's needs hosts. So essentially everyone that's been so desperate to try and lead a normal life is ultimately responsible for its spread. How about making some sacrifices for once on your selfish lives??
sounde as valid as the basis of national political decisions.
"lets hope"
"lets hope"
There was no announcement like this when other variants were discovered earlier in the year. I suspect it is just to support the measures they are taking as they haven’t got a clue what they are doing. It also explains why they are not providing any further information on it, they are becoming so predictable.
Everyone must be vaccinated. Otherwise it's just a matter of time before a new strain evolves that ignores the antibodies generated by the current vaccines.
Keep hoping, that's what the UK govt. and people do best...which is why the deaths per million rate is the fifth highest in the world.
Examples of outrageous, egregious snobbery on here about a post that is meant to be a message of hope against the worst health crisis any living person has witnessed. Shame on you.
Not all viruses mutate that much, but coronavirus do. that's why we get common colds all the time because the viruses mutate and we keep catching them.
That's actually good for us because mild strains give us protection against horrible things like SARS v1.
That's actually good for us because mild strains give us protection against horrible things like SARS v1.
You can see how terribly shocked Hancock was. why do we let a man who has all the scientific knowledge of a primary school kid run his ministry.
Yeah Viruses DO mutate, but why that should be a UK ONLY thing...smells like politics to me.
If we could find a new variant of our PM, preferably a competent one.
SAGE and the media are the bigger problem, he’s incompetent, but if one wasn’t profiteering and the other wasn’t looking to attack him if he didn’t follow the (very narrow but that SAGE tell him to keep their interest in Pharma companies profitable) science’ he might make a good decision
Just like the Flu which is why the vaccine will eventually prove to be useless. Waste of time and money. Protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with life.
As long as the virus retains its "crown proteins", which they all do regardless of variant and there are many already, then the vaccine should remain effective.
Are you seriously trying to say the flu vaccine is useless! There are too many morons in this country.
"Just like the Flu which is why the vaccine will eventually prove to be useless".
Nope. The Flu vaccine is a mix of different variants to cover the various significant strains found earlier in the same year. We have never had a successful coronavirus vaccine before hence why the covid vaccines (particularly the mRNA based ones) are a fantastic development and are not useless.
Nope. The Flu vaccine is a mix of different variants to cover the various significant strains found earlier in the same year. We have never had a successful coronavirus vaccine before hence why the covid vaccines (particularly the mRNA based ones) are a fantastic development and are not useless.
Just a thought - all those who refuse a vacination - name on a computer then if they get the disease they have to pay for their treatment.
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lol so people should be punished for thier freedom of choice. Sounds very communist of you sir...
Fascist thinking.
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Just a few thoughts, those who ride motorcycles and cars, those who smoke or drink, those who refuse to give up sport etc. Names on a computer and if they become ill or get injured they all have to pay for their treatment. Get real.
Wow that's a slippery slope. Anyone taking part in sports who gets injured shouldn't get treatment in A & E if we follow your logic. Well it was their choice to take to participate right.
Id be more than happy with this arrangement and I'm sure I'm not alone! After all it took the NHS 7 years to diagnose over 20 growths in my stomach which I paid for privately to be removed as I was getting nowhere with our world beating health system
absolute BS - I was expecting this, way to ruin the Christmas we have all been promised. What a suprised
Well, that's stuffed the vaccine, hasn't it?
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
Whatever..
This only matters if the spike protein differs significantly from the other Covid variants. If much the same, then the vaccines should be just as effective.
Interesting then that the government hasn't waited until the 16th as planned to put London into tier 3. They must be concerned or they would have waited.
Where did you get your medical schooling very impressive knowledge
In viruses, neutralising antibodies typically bind just a few amino acids at various spots on the spike protein around the docking site (where the spike attaches to the target cell) or around the hinge region of what is called the fusion peptide. The mutations of concern likely involve the docking site itself.
What like all we heard about a few ago was Manchester, burnham, Manchester, burnham...not heard much about Wolverhampton...but that’s fair enough.
I agree, Suddenly the London MP's are concerned about being in T3. They weren't bothered when the other areas were put in T2 and T3 months ago.
As if London matters. It doesn't. Ghengis's bleating for more money is just grandstanding.
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Yawn! When manchester and liverpool were all moaning about going into lockdown all we heard was manchester and liverpool, get some perspective as well as a memory
To quote Samuel Johnson:
"When a man is tired of London, he is tired of Life, for there is in London all that Life can afford".
'Tired of London' or not, I doubt that Covid-19 is something that Life in London can afford.
"When a man is tired of London, he is tired of Life, for there is in London all that Life can afford".
'Tired of London' or not, I doubt that Covid-19 is something that Life in London can afford.
Up here in Scotland it's all Glasgow.Glasgow.Glasgow. you'd think it's no where else if you watch the TV news BBC & STV.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that London has roughly the same population as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined
Virus does as virus does shocker! Same rules apply, socially distance and observe protocols where required. Simples!
Economic collapse and 15 million unemployed! Simples!
‘Simples’ are you describing the necessary actions to control Coronavirus? or the lack of mental abilities of those who feel caring for their for their fellow citizens isn’t for them?
Its a start point - but the great unwashed have ignored such advice thus far.....
Let's say the virus mutates regularly rendering vaccines ineffective for long term prevention. Will you be demanding these same rules forever Marshall? There's only so much of this nonsense I can take.
Its not that simple for all 60 million of the UK to understand viruses mutating new strains.
So let the BBC inform them here.
So let the BBC inform them here.
Yes I agree totally. Follow the rules. The benefit is that flu and pneumonia deaths decrease by 90% as cause of death
Oh, you're soooooooo clever. What's with the patronising tone?
But Coronavirus is going on holiday for the Christmas period?...
Then don't go out!
But you're one of these people who needs the daily press conference to be told EXACTLY what to do and have the media ask the same, and let's be brutally honest, unbelievably stupid questions a million times just to placate, well, people like you!
Better still, use common sense! Like millions who've got on with it and to be honest are now FED UP with being treated like children
But you're one of these people who needs the daily press conference to be told EXACTLY what to do and have the media ask the same, and let's be brutally honest, unbelievably stupid questions a million times just to placate, well, people like you!
Better still, use common sense! Like millions who've got on with it and to be honest are now FED UP with being treated like children
Joking aside, they do have holidays during the summer, but let's not let that spoil the myth that the first lockdown had an effect.
I don't particularly care anymore. I'll be seeing non vulnerable family and friends over Christmas. I'm mid 30's so even if I catch it, it's highly unlikely I'd have problems. Protect the vulnerable, otherwise crack on with your life.
It seems to go on holiday whenever it means more votes for Bojo
Bit like the way it spreads quickly if you meet a friend for a chat, but goes into hiding if there's a payment point nearby, like in a restaurant.
Science works in strange ways.
Bit like the way it spreads quickly if you meet a friend for a chat, but goes into hiding if there's a payment point nearby, like in a restaurant.
Science works in strange ways.
And obviously obeys the tier borders...personally I think the idea of splitting the UK up into teeny weeny little tiers is completely MAD.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Covid is spreading in schools.
Or is it the variant that’s spread by partying journalists?
To be honest, schools here in Winchester have only had 4 cases between 3 schools. That's because people are actually trying to obey the rules. It's the places where there is no rule following that has gone exponential.
Quite true. My wife & I are in our 80's so 'doomed' we are. Can't really understand why all the wrinkles are getting it first. Stop us bunging up beds ? All very odd. Come to think of it do I really want to live in this World much longer ? Christmas on our own. Family prohibited. At long last. Thank you Covid.
First excuse why the vaccines don't work
Were we told not to be unduly worried in January! I know viruses mutate but what is the mutation exactly and why mention when a Vaccine Plan has been hatched which will be affected by that little ditty for sure! Talk about poor communication and control again how inept are these people!
However we were told that this virus could not mutate so we only needed to get a vaccine that worked and we would all be safe. So many lies being told its difficult to keep track.
Higher forms of life mutate too or we would not be here to discuss it.
Well, that's stuffed the vaccine, hasn't it?
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
I wish they could find a new variant of Matt Hancock and the other hopeless chancers in this government.
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Matt Hancock - "Nothing to suggest the vaccine won't work. We are testing at Porton Down" hmmm... Nothing to suggest that it will work either!
More good news on the COVID front but have to say there has been 100's of variations in this virus its what it does fingers cross it matches Hancock's pronouncement!
I see on the Beeb today, Test and Trace workers complaining that people don't answer the phone.
I just ordered a home test for my daughter (you has a severe learning disability). Within two hours I got a scam text saying "thank you for your registration, confirm your details here" with a link.
Only knew it was a scam because it was addressed to me and not to my daughter.
I just ordered a home test for my daughter (you has a severe learning disability). Within two hours I got a scam text saying "thank you for your registration, confirm your details here" with a link.
Only knew it was a scam because it was addressed to me and not to my daughter.
"complaining that people don't answer the phone"
Maybe, if they're isolating, they are ill. Maybe, therefore, they are in bed, and don't feel like answering the phone.
Or just in the shower / bath / toilet.
Or cooking.
Yet another example of the covid gestapo deciding we must dance to their tune, which is probably the Horst Wessel Song.
Maybe, if they're isolating, they are ill. Maybe, therefore, they are in bed, and don't feel like answering the phone.
Or just in the shower / bath / toilet.
Or cooking.
Yet another example of the covid gestapo deciding we must dance to their tune, which is probably the Horst Wessel Song.
Will Trump start calling it "The British Virus"? or a HOAX ?
No it's definitely a Chinese virus.
As if viruses have never mutated in the past... simple process of nature.
We see mutation. The virus sees evolution for survival.
We see mutation. The virus sees evolution for survival.
Very true. But we would have to be idiots not to monitor them and report them when they occur ... hmm ... oh my god I wonder how many more there are!
So why bother with lockdowns? Surely herd immunity is the only way to go? If you’re immune system beats the original virus it can probably mutate to defeat the mutation. But SAGE and Hancock wouldn’t profit from that
Oh no don't use the e word it might upset the god botherers!
It is a scientific fact viruses mutate/evolve. They have been here longer than we have and will probably be here long after us!
It is a scientific fact viruses mutate/evolve. They have been here longer than we have and will probably be here long after us!
Wouldn't it be amazing if we could Genetically Modify the virus to only get rid of stupid people who can't think for themselves. It would make the world a better place and thin out the population.
I would think by the math that Covid 19 has mutated 18 times
And when a dangerous variant arises the authorities could attempt to silence scientists, as they did in China.
I question this comment.
If you have an evolved logical brain (heh) then you apply logic and decision making.
virus don't have logic. they don't make decisions. they are a cell (?). virii are pure biological processes. do they "evolve" to "survive"? or do they just obey biological mechanisms.
If you have an evolved logical brain (heh) then you apply logic and decision making.
virus don't have logic. they don't make decisions. they are a cell (?). virii are pure biological processes. do they "evolve" to "survive"? or do they just obey biological mechanisms.
The minute you start name calling is the minute you lost the argument.
The reason I called it useless (the flue jab) is because they have to change it regularly to account for the different strains that might be prevalent at the time. Hence you might be taking something completely inappropriate for what's going around.
Anyway JimDNC, see how far you get calling people names to their face.
The reason I called it useless (the flue jab) is because they have to change it regularly to account for the different strains that might be prevalent at the time. Hence you might be taking something completely inappropriate for what's going around.
Anyway JimDNC, see how far you get calling people names to their face.
I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist but I do understand why some people are! Sometimes it feels like the government will only be happy when they stop us living altogether
finally people are seeing the light, LET US GET ON WITH OUR LIVES!!
People are conspiracy theorists because their lives are dull and they want to feel a part of something. That is all. There are of course REAL conspiracies. But we don't know about them because ... well ... they're conspiracies
You do understand that the government aren't actually DOING this, yes? They're not mutating anything.
Doubtless the lockdown zealots will be telling us to stay in our houses for the next month.
will you close the ports and borders down NOW
even a six year old could see keeping borders and ports wide open would be a disaster
even a six year old could see keeping borders and ports wide open would be a disaster
Clearly if there is a new variant of the virus the vaccine will be ineffective so there is no point anyone having the vaccine since it wont protect against the new variant as it was only developed to protect against the one that existed previously. Another example of Hancock's incompetence. He needs to be sacked before he does any further damage to the country
Hancock had no part in the Pfizer virus. Also new variant does not mean vaccine resistant. Vaccines are by their nature broad spectrum and this mutation is not going to be markedly different in the same way that budgerigars won't suddenly evolve into the bird equivalent of a sabre toothed tiger
How is a new varient Hancock's fault? Clueless post
You are simply incorrect. Whether or not the vaccine is effective depends on what the nature of the virus is and what makes this variant different. All species mutate, but established vaccines against diphtheria and polio still work
Let's wait for the facts from scientists before we all listen to your poorly informed opinion shall we.
If we DID get a new variant which reset our vaccine efforts - I for one am going back to normal, another year of this and you'll see a higher suicide rate than covid deaths
100%
I bet people in Manchester and Liverpool now are laughing that London has now gone into the same tier as them.
Isn't Liverpool in tier 2?
I bet London will get more financial support.
Why, are the people of Manchester and Liverpool really horrible then?
will you close the ports and borders down NOW
even a six year old could see keeping borders and ports wide open would be a disaster
even a six year old could see keeping borders and ports wide open would be a disaster
Very concerned that MH doesn't understand the implications here.
We found 200 plus introducing strains when we started so why is this news?
This is the most important question - if it's not deadlier and there is no reason to suggest it spreads quicker or reinfects already recovered patients - why does it matter?
Suspicious this is Tier 3 trojan horse - don't make up stuff - just say and do.
We found 200 plus introducing strains when we started so why is this news?
This is the most important question - if it's not deadlier and there is no reason to suggest it spreads quicker or reinfects already recovered patients - why does it matter?
Suspicious this is Tier 3 trojan horse - don't make up stuff - just say and do.
When Covid spread in the North it was because 'no one is following the rules' - dirty northerners. Now Covid is spreading in the South 'it's because it is a new variant' - clearly...
He's announcing something because it's been discovered. If he didn't, you'd be complaining about a coverup. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Because it does spread quicker. Read the article, listen to his speech and try to use the grey matter in your bonce before posting nonsense
Did you actually read the article?
Looks at user name.
Probably not.
Looks at user name.
Probably not.
algr
16:31
"We're Doomed ! Doomed !"
Well start with the premise that 95% of species ever to walk this earth are extinct and you are bob on. Humans will join that extinction one day. Mother Nature will keep throwing curve balls at us until she is rid of us...
16:31
"We're Doomed ! Doomed !"
Well start with the premise that 95% of species ever to walk this earth are extinct and you are bob on. Humans will join that extinction one day. Mother Nature will keep throwing curve balls at us until she is rid of us...
None of the other species suffered their ‘betters’ telling them to hide indoors waiting for extinction.
The Earth only really ever "re-sets" when an Extinction Event occurs, the dominant species is wiped out and another Epoch begins.
This time around we have an "over-dominant" species.
This time around we have an "over-dominant" species.
Humans are the first; and only species to be able to destroy themselves. We do like to jeopardise our chances somewhat.
Mother Nature is not the enemy, there is no "this and that" This kind of thinking is why we are having climate and other problems. Everything is connected and short term-ism is left wanting.
You started right DOOMED !
Mother Nature is not a collective Intelligence. Odd statement.
How can you or indeed anyone possibly know that statistic is true?
It reminds me of the ludicrous claim made some years ago that "millions of species have died out before they were even discovered". That will be like the millions of miles of railway that were closed and torn up before they were ever built, then.
It reminds me of the ludicrous claim made some years ago that "millions of species have died out before they were even discovered". That will be like the millions of miles of railway that were closed and torn up before they were ever built, then.
At this point wouldn't it be better, and safer, just to put the whole of the UK into lockdown. All these tiers, travelling between tiers, areas in Wales, Scottish rules, etc are just totally confusing.
Compensate businesses but close hospitality, theatres and sport until vaccination is almost complete at the end of winter, then review and re-open those parts of the economy.
Compensate businesses but close hospitality, theatres and sport until vaccination is almost complete at the end of winter, then review and re-open those parts of the economy.
I think you might be applying too much logic and sense to the situation.
Is it the public sector or comfortably retired bracket you fit into?
A sensible idea in principle, but sadly I fear there is no longer enough money to be had or that the country can afford to repay to compensate locked down businesses and their employees to the degree that is necessary to keep them afloat/solvent.
Well, that's stuffed the vaccine, hasn't it?
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
Even your science correspondent said:
"And so far we've been given the "scare""
So I don't know why you removed my comment BBC...
"And so far we've been given the "scare""
So I don't know why you removed my comment BBC...
Science has been mutating nature quite a lot. This virus may have come from a laboratory. Encouraging the youth to be scientists and not philosophers will poison our environment and hasten our end.
absolute BS - I was expecting this, way to ruin the Christmas we have all been promised. What a suprised
losing 1 xmas from 2,020 xmas that went through global wars, spanish flu, black death........... stuff that really killed people!
We have lost a whole year and all we are being fed on the news is BS, this story is all over the place and changing every week. It causing more damage to people than covid itself - are you too brainwashed to see that?
Technically they didn’t celebrate at least the first 33 and Cromwell also banned it for 16 years
Will Trump start calling it "The British Virus"? or a HOAX ?
There'll be loads of covid variants although it does depend on your definition of variant. This is news because they have specifically identified one that's all
Probably a fair guess that the more it has mutated the less effective the vaccine
Probably a fair guess that the more it has mutated the less effective the vaccine
Probably a fair guess that the more it has mutated the less effective the vaccine
No Total Guess.
No Total Guess.
Not a fair guess at all. The vaccine could just as easily be more effective. This is the problem at the moment; everything moves so quickly and the media, desperate to report anything put in scary headlines.
And cases falling. People who believe lockdowns work have to believe the people of London were following the rules better than the people of Liverpool a couple of months ago and now, for some inexplicable reason, the people of Liverpool are now following the rules better than the people of London. Has there been a mass migration from North to South and vice versa? Lockdowns don't work.
If this is true then we need full lockdown in those areas otherwise the whole year has been a waste of time
Unpopular though it would be, I'm inclined to agree with you. Seems the first few readers of your post don't, but heck - nail the sod while it is relatively confined. Isn't that what we would have hoped to do on the first wave, but couldn't (lack of knowledge, vaccine etc.) Everyone has said "dither and delay" caused the outbreak to be worse than necessary - so nail it this time. Hard and early.
It’s a fast spreading variant that behaves differently rendering these new vaccines redundant. If it’s confident to south east then we need full lockdown in those areas whilst the science catches up. Or do we wait like in the spring for the deaths to hit 1000s per day before we act again?
or they thought why wait if cases are rising rapidly? Not everything is a conspiracy.
Hey! Are you frightened eh@ AP READ. ooooooooo!
The MSN and the government have worked their trick on you.
All viruses mutate!!!! It's damn obvious to anyone. Unless the attachment protein is significantly different (which it almost never ever is), you are fine. The vaccine still works!
The MSN and the government have worked their trick on you.
All viruses mutate!!!! It's damn obvious to anyone. Unless the attachment protein is significantly different (which it almost never ever is), you are fine. The vaccine still works!
If it was serious concern then measures would be harder than what essentially amounts to business as usual except close the pubs and restaurants.
I think irs part of the plan to keep the north in tier 3
Very much doubt they're concerned by the new strain. London should have been in lockdown weeks ago, add to that the shopping frenzy and boom, perfect storm.
This is a nice little cover for the Conservatives as to why they have to close now
This is a nice little cover for the Conservatives as to why they have to close now
That's good news, should have been in tier 3 like the rest of us weeks ago. Only prolonged the inevitable
No, it’s still going to be Wednesday. They’ve just announced it today
London and the whole of the South East should have been in Tier 3 from the start
of the tier system. Most populated, most likely to disobey any "rules".
of the tier system. Most populated, most likely to disobey any "rules".
They should have been in Tier 3 at least three weeks ago - but then again it’s London!
Perhaps the Government actually listened to the science and acted accordingly, rather tha what they previously decided upon because of the need for Political gain from the Economists, proffessional and amatuer alike.
very apt comment
This shows leadership, well done uk government
Covid is just a varient of Flu virus & that mutates ,so why shouldnt covid . I thought it would have been obvious that this was going to happen .It maybe that in the end we will have to let it run its course & accept the death toll ,until the human race has built up natural immunity
"Covid is just a varient of Flu virus"
It isn't.
It's a variant of the cold virus (es). Flu is cause by a different group of viruses.
It isn't.
It's a variant of the cold virus (es). Flu is cause by a different group of viruses.
New Covid variant may be behind fast spread of cases....could we get some independent scientific proof do you think? I certainly wouldn't trust Hancock, Johnson or any of the other simpletons in the Govt. My first thought was that this smells like another desperate excuse by the Govt to try to deflect attention and blame away from their inept handling of UK response to the Coronavirus Pandemic.
So your first thought is to fit to a received political narrative? All we have is scientific opinion on some probably patchy data so far. Scientific “proof” (that is published papers and acres of data and reproducibility) is months away. Gov has to consider risk based on unknowns and take precautions- failure to do that early this year was the ineptitude you now criticise.
There are hundreds of Corona viruses. The one they at war with at the moment is not even classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease, but they have wrecked the economy over it.
God help us if the authoritarians overreact to every cold virus.
God help us if the authoritarians overreact to every cold virus.
Good old BBC, they could make a scuffle at a village fete sound like a full blown inner city riot !! Disgrace !!
New Variant found
Yet, the Gov has threatened to SUE over the closure of Schools in London
Yet, the Gov has threatened to SUE over the closure of Schools in London
The really annoying part is LOTS of people WANT these damn restrictions despite mountains of evidence showing THEY DON'T WORK!
'Its easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled' Mark Twain
'Its easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled' Mark Twain
If they do not work, then it could be because not tough enough! Why are people allowed out for exercise?
Staying indoors will minimise the risk of catching this or any other resporatory virus.
Staying indoors will minimise the risk of catching this or any other resporatory virus.
They don't work because people won't follow the restrictions! I see, on various sources, people in public houses posing for selfies, arms around each other's shoulders, faces literally inches apart, kids walking to school in groups, walking with barely 6 inches between them ... (1)
A Welsh Facebook 'friend' of mine was arranging a party for her daughter's 18th and she was arranging it in a holiday let she owns and was inviting over 20 other girls, from all over the UK! ... The restrictions WOULD work if everyone acted correctly by them! (2)
Strange how the government turn to our eminent medical scientists not the fools who think they know better on the likes of HYS etc.......did you learn that from Facebook?
here we go odious hancock wants to carry on with his power trip and lockdown the country for good..
Well, that's stuffed the vaccine, hasn't it?
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
Perhaps we should all have got it in the summer and THE VYRUSS wouldn't have had time to mutate.
cjb2
16:34
"I bet people in Manchester and Liverpool now are laughing that London has now gone into the same tier as them."
Liverpool is in Tier 2.
Manchester and Lancashire are in T3 but many individual boroughs should be T2. Now London has gone T3 our hopes are shattered as we will need to suffer like London.
16:34
"I bet people in Manchester and Liverpool now are laughing that London has now gone into the same tier as them."
Liverpool is in Tier 2.
Manchester and Lancashire are in T3 but many individual boroughs should be T2. Now London has gone T3 our hopes are shattered as we will need to suffer like London.
I was praying we would go into tier 2 but you are right we will all have to suffer with them!
No I'm not.
Plus I'm not convinced it isn't a sop to keep us all under lockdown with minimal protests.
Plus I'm not convinced it isn't a sop to keep us all under lockdown with minimal protests.
yes, God forbid that area's outside London are in a lower tier than Bungler's Precious London
I’m sure I & everyone else in tier 3 Manchester isn’t laughing but it does see the anti Burnham people could’nt wait to get is into 3 & to keep London out as long as possible
I wanted to see what this news REALLY meant, so I went straight to the comments section!
I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist but I do understand why some people are! Sometimes it feels like the government will only be happy when they stop us living altogether
At this point wouldn't it be better, and safer, just to put the whole of the UK into lockdown. All these tiers, travelling between tiers, areas in Wales, Scottish rules, etc are just totally confusing.
Compensate businesses but close hospitality, theatres and sport until vaccination is almost complete at the end of winter, then review and re-open those parts of the economy.
Compensate businesses but close hospitality, theatres and sport until vaccination is almost complete at the end of winter, then review and re-open those parts of the economy.
Clearly if there is a new variant of the virus the vaccine will be ineffective so there is no point anyone having the vaccine since it wont protect against the new variant as it was only developed to protect against the one that existed previously. Another example of Hancock's incompetence. He needs to be sacked before he does any further damage to the country
Given the principles of Darwin, the more reasonable bet would be it is less deadly - not the best interests for procreation to kill the host, generally restricts the capability to replicate
Although jury is out if viruses are classified as "living" though, and so Darwin's principles might not apply.
Still, this has been a pattern for many other deadly infections - evolving to be less deadly to us
Although jury is out if viruses are classified as "living" though, and so Darwin's principles might not apply.
Still, this has been a pattern for many other deadly infections - evolving to be less deadly to us
Were we told not to be unduly worried in January! I know viruses mutate but what is the mutation exactly and why mention when a Vaccine Plan has been hatched which will be affected by that little ditty for sure! Talk about poor communication and control again how inept are these people!
To avoid immediate panic if it follows other numerous versions..
Our results suggest that, to date, the limited diversity seen in SARS-CoV-2 should not preclude a single vaccine from providing global protection.
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/38/23652
Our results suggest that, to date, the limited diversity seen in SARS-CoV-2 should not preclude a single vaccine from providing global protection.
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/38/23652
At this point wouldn't it be better, and safer, just to put the whole of the UK into lockdown. All these tiers, travelling between tiers, areas in Wales, Scottish rules, etc are just totally confusing.
Compensate businesses but close hospitality, theatres and sport until vaccination is almost complete at the end of winter, then review and re-open those parts of the economy.
Compensate businesses but close hospitality, theatres and sport until vaccination is almost complete at the end of winter, then review and re-open those parts of the economy.
Who said this and where?
Will be interesting to see if there is any evidence in time to suggest whether lockdown pressure can reduce how long the natural mutations to a milder more infectious variant takes to happen. It would make sense that lockdown pressure helps benefit a more infectious strain.
lol so people should be punished for thier freedom of choice. Sounds very communist of you sir...
to think No deal would have closed the UK Borders down saving us from an endless line
of corona virus out breaks .
can't wait until 1.4 million people return to the UK after there Christmas holidays abroad 4 to 14 of Jan 2021 .
I wonder what new strain of corona virus they will bring back to the UK
open ports and Borders MADNESS
of corona virus out breaks .
can't wait until 1.4 million people return to the UK after there Christmas holidays abroad 4 to 14 of Jan 2021 .
I wonder what new strain of corona virus they will bring back to the UK
open ports and Borders MADNESS