Brexit: UK and EU restart trade talks after leaders' call
14/12/2020 | news | politics | 9,840
A final decision on a deal was expected on Sunday, but the two sides sent negotiators back to the table.
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14/12/2020 11:45:50 681 39
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These ‘Deadlines’ are becoming meaningless.

About as believable as a DFS sale
(Other furniture stores are also available)
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14/12/2020 11:48:34 286 489
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You voted for this.
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14/12/2020 11:56:16 78 212
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The fact that talks continue show we hold all the cards.

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xlr
14/12/2020 11:58:14 52 64
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Boris' negotiation skills are obviously rubbish. He's trying to prevent the EU using its tactic of last-minute deal, and failing.
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14/12/2020 11:58:45 41 7
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It is all spin,
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14/12/2020 12:03:38 22 21
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Perhaps the EU want a deal after all. They just want a large helping of fish with it.
14/12/2020 12:45:26 3 4
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Do you not realise that deadlines are needed to reach a successful outcome?
The more there are, the more successful the outcome!
14/12/2020 12:52:44 6 1
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"These ‘Deadlines’ are becoming meaningless"

Don't worry, they will soon run out of metaphors. I think 'last chance saloon' is the only one they haven't used.
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14/12/2020 11:47:10 36 35
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There is no mandate for no deal Brexit

No deal Brexit is complete failure by liar Johnson
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14/12/2020 11:50:50 27 9
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He'll probably come back at the last minute waving some flimsy scrap of paper, and claim that it's the best deal ever. And sadly, his dimwitted followers will believe his lies yet again.
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14/12/2020 11:51:46 6 9
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No mandate indeed.

Apart from the referendum and five separate national elections.

But they didn't count as general elections are advisory.
14/12/2020 13:12:30 3 4
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A no deal hard brexit looks like a real possibilty.

All thanks in part to both Nigel Farage and Gina Miller.

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14/12/2020 11:47:19 554 209
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If the 2016 referendum had been 75%-25% for leave then, maybe, there would've been a mandate for no deal.

If May had won a majority in 2017 on the back of her initial "No deal is better than a bad deal" rhetoric then there would've been a mandate for no deal.

If Johnson hadn't made boasting about getting an easy deal central to his campaign in 2019 then there would've been a mandate for no deal.
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14/12/2020 11:48:09 441 184
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But, as things stand, there is no mandate for no deal. And no amount of flag-waving about fish will change that. I wonder what the Tories would've chosen as the totemic issue if Thatcher had managed to completely destroy the fishing industry in the 1980s? I guess they'd be banging on about our plucky winemakers, or some other minuscule part of the economy, while letting car factories fall silent.
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xlr
14/12/2020 12:05:45 59 24
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There was never a mandate for no deal. If Camp Leave had campaigned on it, they would have ended up with 27% of the vote instead of 51%.
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14/12/2020 12:27:05 30 43
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Having had a referendum and now a Government with an 80 seat majority, based largely on a 'Get BREXIT done' slogan, I would suggest Boris has a bigger mandate than any key board warrior on here.
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14/12/2020 12:40:25 8 20
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I think the mandate is to leave the EU. I know many remainers will want to be tied in as closely as they can, however the main point of the vote was to leave. Personally I was a remainer but I am happy we are going, deal or not.

I am sure it will be a rocky road but I'd prefer to be cut clean from the protectionist state, as I do not like where they are going and how they act.
14/12/2020 12:47:49 6 13
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Slow of the mark today. But little more than more remainer desperation.
14/12/2020 12:49:50 6 13
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And of course there was every opportunity for this to have been an easy deal on both sides, however, EU chose to go down the road of 'punishing UK' so as to deter other members unhappy with the EU from leaving it.
Brexit has clearly shown the duplicity of this EU Federal State Germany/Vichy France Dictatorship who excluded the UK from the outset and only 'opened the door' needing UK money.
14/12/2020 13:10:09 4 1
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Nobody voted to come out of the customs union either. I don't recall that ever being mentioned in the campaigning. Do you remember May wanted 'a customs union, not the customs union'? I don't understand why we wouldn't want that in some form. It solves a lot of the NI pain and is easier for business all around.
14/12/2020 13:10:40 2 4
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LOL and if my aunt had b**** she be my uncle, bit late now to change the rules to suit you Uber.
TC
14/12/2020 13:16:19 1 2
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A majority of one is enough for them to form a Government on behalf of the Queen, not us as we are NOT governed. Free we are Free at last. De Gaulle knew what he was doing keeping us out. God I wish he was back. At least he had a spine. Not like the numptys people elect these days.
14/12/2020 13:29:43 1 4
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Wahhhhhhh!

Shaddappa ya face.
14/12/2020 13:48:20 3 5
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If half the country had been better educated we wouldn't be in this car crash at all!
14/12/2020 13:55:39 2 4
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Oh no! You were 2 minutes late with your copy and paste nonsense today ??
Uber tardy ??
14/12/2020 13:56:04 2 4
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I think you need to understand the options that were offered on the referendum ballot paper, no box for decisions being made on the percentage of loss incurred.
14/12/2020 14:09:19 4 5
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Lots of IFs.. The thing is the british public voted to leave and come Jan we leave... You lost get over it, That democracy
14/12/2020 14:28:33 0 1
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Not sure that was agreed at the time.
14/12/2020 14:45:38 2 2
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No deal please. It’s what we voted for.
14/12/2020 14:51:07 2 2
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"If the 2016 referendum had been 75%-25% for leave then, maybe, there would've been a mandate for no deal"

There would not. It wasn't on the ballot paper, or campaigned for.
14/12/2020 14:56:22 3 1
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If Remainers had their way as they didi for 40 years, there would never have been any referendum at all.
14/12/2020 14:56:26 0 2
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Strange logic but quite irrelevant.
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14/12/2020 11:47:38 25 34
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Respect our Sovereignty
Or expect a No Deal

Over to you, E.U.
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14/12/2020 11:49:17 5 17
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Nope
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14/12/2020 11:51:47 8 5
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Throwing inflammatory comments in like you regularly do doesn't make you bright. In fact you regularly show you misunderstand the whole process.
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14/12/2020 11:52:13 1 5
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So if you want to be completely free its no deal & a new uk gov
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DG
14/12/2020 11:56:07 3 5
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Totally agree. The EU want to show the other states that leaving the club comes with punishment. If they can't show that we have been punished, their fear is that others will want to leave
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14/12/2020 12:04:49 2 5
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More jobless and higher use of foodbanks. Typical clueless Brexiter
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14/12/2020 11:47:44 19 16
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Just seal the deal promised - the promised easiest deal in history.

Then we can all move on
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14/12/2020 11:54:20 16 14
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We were told that it "should be"... however the EU are doing what the EU does and yet we have some that feel that they are behaving impeccably. If the EU wanted an easy deal then that is what they would get, but they don't as they're worried about a competitive UK on their doorstep.

I expected this kind of negotiation in 2017, not 2020, and that is the fault of the SNP, Liberals, GM and others.
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14/12/2020 11:47:45 17 27
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Walk away, then negotiate after 1 Jan when we are gruels independent. I am a small business owner and know the risks, but you are negotiating from a positive position then.
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14/12/2020 11:51:18 12 7
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So with import/export delays, higher prices shortages and civil unrest? dream on uk would have no choice but make many concessions...
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JL
14/12/2020 11:47:55 11 19
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4.5 years and the EU still haven't conceded...
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14/12/2020 11:49:06 8 12
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They could easily "concede" if Boris wasn't so useless.
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14/12/2020 11:49:46 6 2
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Neither have leavers that more power lies with the larger party...
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14/12/2020 11:47:19 554 209
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If the 2016 referendum had been 75%-25% for leave then, maybe, there would've been a mandate for no deal.

If May had won a majority in 2017 on the back of her initial "No deal is better than a bad deal" rhetoric then there would've been a mandate for no deal.

If Johnson hadn't made boasting about getting an easy deal central to his campaign in 2019 then there would've been a mandate for no deal.
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14/12/2020 11:48:09 441 184
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But, as things stand, there is no mandate for no deal. And no amount of flag-waving about fish will change that. I wonder what the Tories would've chosen as the totemic issue if Thatcher had managed to completely destroy the fishing industry in the 1980s? I guess they'd be banging on about our plucky winemakers, or some other minuscule part of the economy, while letting car factories fall silent.
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14/12/2020 11:54:57 24 38
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There's no mandate for a particular deal either. If one doesn't emerge, well, that's the Brexit people voted for.
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14/12/2020 12:03:21 41 58
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80 seat majority Lib Dem’s pro Eu wiped out I think there is a mandate
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14/12/2020 12:10:19 26 12
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It may or may not be relevant, but if the evil "Thatcher" hadn't destroyed the mining industry, there would be a huge campaign to close the pits now, for environmental reasons.
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Jon
14/12/2020 12:11:21 39 9
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Mandate or not is an abstract concept. No Deal is the passive outcome. A deal would be an active outcome. The "actors” are incompetent, therefore No Deal will likely 'happen”, despite noone with a brain wishes for it.
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14/12/2020 12:16:38 25 49
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The referendum was leave or stay, no deal or WTO was the default on a leave result.
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14/12/2020 12:32:32 8 3
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I think you'll find that we don't really have a car industry left - apart from providing labour to a few foreign car firms. We gave Rolls Royce & Bentley to the Germans - they used to be fine British marques.
14/12/2020 12:45:22 3 3
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But it takes two to tango
14/12/2020 12:57:08 9 9
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No mandate for no deal? Don't you just love these would be opinion-hating leaders out there so much more knowledgeable than everyone else ignoring the fact that mandate = leave regardless 'deal' or 'no deal'. The referendum did NOT specify a vote to 'Leave with a deal' nor did it specify a vote to 'Leave with a deal'. It very clearly specified 'LEAVE' giving us the MANDATE to LEAVE regardless!
CEP
14/12/2020 13:01:16 1 2
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there is no mandate for a deal either ... fortunately they will see the harm they are both doing and a deal will be agreed
14/12/2020 13:10:17 1 4
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Out of interest, you imply that Thatcher was out to damage the fishing industry, what is it she did?
14/12/2020 13:11:19 0 3
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Oh yes there is - (pantomime season clearly with Uber as Widow Twanky)
14/12/2020 13:27:57 2 4
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There is no mandate for any deal. The referendum was on the question of 'in or out'. Now that we are out we need a deal that takes EU control over the UK out of the equation. Forget fish and German cars, it's all about control.
14/12/2020 14:05:18 3 5
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There is a mandate for leaving the EU
14/12/2020 14:09:27 1 3
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Motor industry added and abetted by so called green policy is doing well by itself. Electricity shortages imminent.
Batteries are less green than hydrocarbons.
14/12/2020 14:54:55 1 2
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The mandate is to leave the Eu.
Pure and simple
14/12/2020 14:57:12 2 2
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Remainers are always claiming they know what the other side voted for.
14/12/2020 15:00:23 2 2
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Pray explain why there is no mandate. 52 to 48 percent leave is a mandate (2016), 80 seat majority in a Sovereign Parliament 2019 (thank you Gina Miller) is definitely a mandate. Saying there is none means zip.
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CH
14/12/2020 11:48:14 4 5
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Huzzah! Here we go again ??
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14/12/2020 11:48:16 28 22
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Yes we are leaving, sadly. But the No Deal form of leaving is utterly irresponsible on top of Covid. A deal MUST be found.
14/12/2020 12:51:00 3 5
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Would not an extension to the transition period be in everyone's interest now?
Everyone except Boris, of course.
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14/12/2020 11:48:24 29 14
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Good sense may yet prevail.
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14/12/2020 11:52:55 18 8
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Yeah and the pink little porkers might fly.
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14/12/2020 11:48:32 18 12
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It could have been worse, they could have measured the extension in kilometres ??
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14/12/2020 11:45:50 681 39
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These ‘Deadlines’ are becoming meaningless.

About as believable as a DFS sale
(Other furniture stores are also available)
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14/12/2020 11:48:34 286 489
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You voted for this.
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14/12/2020 11:54:54 169 39
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I don't think anyone voted for this, in fact no one knew what brexit we would have because it was never identified on the ballot. We should have just assumed it was going to be the worst possible kind given who was in charge
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14/12/2020 12:02:21 42 64
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So what you going to mourn about if a deal is agreed! Am sure you will find something.
child Removed
Give it a rest you lost so go back to sleep Removed
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14/12/2020 12:09:14 11 58
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No. I voted for No Deal.
Still hoping for this. Would make a great Christmas prezzie.
Bring Back JC
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14/12/2020 12:21:40 18 23
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Actually I voted to leave, not to sit round a table saying no everytime they try and rephrase us leaving as a stay.... we should have walked months ago.
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14/12/2020 12:20:29 14 20
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I did indeed and it's going very well. 10/10 would drink remainers tears again.
14/12/2020 12:46:01 8 12
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Responsibility lies with the Remainers that couldn't be bothered to vote against it in 2016, and couldn't be bothered to vote Lib Dem in 2019 and stop Brexit.

Own it.
14/12/2020 12:49:55 7 9
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What can we say, if the EU keep making concessions to extend, do you want the UK to ignore them - odd mind you that the article on the BBC that talks of them making concessions has no HYS - one might wonder if the BBC had an Agenda, and it wasn't UK supportive ;-)
14/12/2020 12:51:33 3 8
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so did you
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14/12/2020 11:48:45 30 26
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Two options:

1. Johnson lied and was always aiming for no deal to suit his rich backers in a money grab not seen since the ppe contracts of, well, the spring.

2. Johnson has lied to assume power with erg/dup swivel eyed support and is buying time until he can close parliament for Xmas and then sign the deal without scrutiny

Both are likely as there’s never been a more dishonest and corrupt pm
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14/12/2020 11:53:48 8 10
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Tony Blair , lies about weapons of mass destruction , invades Iraq, take control of oil ....does this ring a bell? people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
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14/12/2020 11:53:52 4 2
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Any deal still has to gain Parliamentary approval in both the U.K. and EU.
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14/12/2020 11:48:48 28 8
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Can't wait to find out if we get a bad deal or no deal.

Pushing everything to the last minute to give the impression that this has been negotiated well and we are getting what we wanted, rather than a long list of extra costs and red tape.
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14/12/2020 11:49:00 14 8
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The Great South Seas Brexit Bubble Company Ltd - ”A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is."
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14/12/2020 11:49:01 6 17
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I bet the Hard-Brexiteer-in-Chief Gina Miller is delighted with the prospect of a Hard Brexit.

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14/12/2020 12:39:02 2 2
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?????????????
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JL
14/12/2020 11:47:55 11 19
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4.5 years and the EU still haven't conceded...
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14/12/2020 11:49:06 8 12
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They could easily "concede" if Boris wasn't so useless.
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14/12/2020 11:49:06 3 4
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Making a great effort that would suit 80% provided there is autonomy.
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14/12/2020 11:49:12 15 12
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Deja vu

Johnson is getting very desperate as he realises his house is on fire and everyone in it is about to burn
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14/12/2020 12:39:35 2 2
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along with his pants!
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14/12/2020 11:48:20 20 18
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Tories outwitted by Johnny foreigner whilst negotiating through the medium of English, oh the shame.
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14/12/2020 11:47:38 25 34
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Respect our Sovereignty
Or expect a No Deal

Over to you, E.U.
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14/12/2020 11:49:17 5 17
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Nope
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14/12/2020 11:49:17 693 94
bbc
Sensible that both parties take as long as necessary to thrash out a deal. No deal suits neither side.
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14/12/2020 12:02:38 642 302
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No deal would suit Tory party donors and some of the PM's colleagues quite well - as they will have been positioning their assets to profit handsomely from the expected market turmoil.

Rees-Mogg Snr. literally wrote the book on Disaster Capitalism.
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14/12/2020 12:04:05 25 97
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Oh dear Remainers - this wasn’t meant to happen now was it? A trade deal on the way.
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14/12/2020 12:08:22 43 115
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I wonder why every BBC new report on this plays the EU leader's soundbite first, then the UK leader's soundbite second?

To me, this typifies the BBC handling of the whole saga; EU position first.
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14/12/2020 12:15:22 48 14
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What is the risk of no deal to eu27

Remember uk accounts fir less than 10% of all eu27 imports and exports
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14/12/2020 12:15:37 26 59
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Completely agree. This is good news and weird that remainers are spinning it as bad news..
14/12/2020 12:52:28 0 1
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The Central Scrutiniser was only doing what was best for Joe? It was the music that messed with thier minds.
TC
14/12/2020 13:10:38 1 9
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We needed no deal when the Fascist EU did not exist. Now it is trying to become like the old USSR.
14/12/2020 13:05:45 1 3
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Over 4 million jobs in EU gone and under 1 million jobs effected in the UK with maybe half million jobs lost.

EU Respect democracy respect self determination and get a deal to not punish the UK and not punish the people of the EU.
DrR
14/12/2020 13:19:23 2 4
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No deal suits the Brexitiers, that is what they wanted all along, not to be constrained by the EU and free to make up their own rules.
14/12/2020 13:44:11 2 1
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Yes but we need a deal which is good for both sides
14/12/2020 13:57:34 1 4
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How long is a long as necessary ? 1 year 5 years 10, if I was being suspicious you might even think it was a deliberate ploy by the EU to keep the UK in
14/12/2020 14:01:11 0 2
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Yeah, but there needs to be give and take. It sounds like Brussels are doing all if the taking. If Boris backs down on fisheries as well he'll lose the Tories the next election.
14/12/2020 14:14:14 4 2
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Suits mogg and co. very well. Hence berxit.
14/12/2020 14:34:02 1 1
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But UK least of all, just as any sort of brexit does. As you’ll find out
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14/12/2020 11:49:41 5 13
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Just get it done!!!
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14/12/2020 11:49:43 18 23
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Please God let this madness end.

The EU don't want a fair deal and we aren't going to get one.

They don't want to allow us Canada style access so just let it drop.

I understand the EU's intransigence as they do not want to encourage others to cut the apron strings but that just means we should walk away now and prepare properly for no deal.
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JL
14/12/2020 11:47:55 11 19
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4.5 years and the EU still haven't conceded...
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14/12/2020 11:49:46 6 2
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Neither have leavers that more power lies with the larger party...
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14/12/2020 11:49:46 356 112
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Seems like it's all going to plan. Johnson's on course for the lucrative after dinner speech circuit and an autobiography coming to a charity shop near you. Not so sure about the future for the rest of us though!
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14/12/2020 11:52:17 358 161
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The rest of us are totally screwed thanks to Boris' personal ambition & vanity!??
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14/12/2020 11:56:21 22 4
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No one wants to hear the clown speak.
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14/12/2020 11:57:31 17 3
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This autobiography, will it just have a couple of pages of text amidst a pile of waffle? Otherwise it won't fit on my kindle.
14/12/2020 14:17:21 3 1
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Sadly, same applies to all politicians, have you seen reports on Blairs earnings after he left office.
14/12/2020 14:18:37 1 15
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We'll muddle through as we have always done. Our future is brighter not shackled to the EU Federal State - the German/Vichy French Dictatorship - where we'd be forever more 'financially penalised' to 'balance EU books'.
In real terms life is always 'bumpy', less 'bumpy' after 'leaving' given UK Free Trade Zone opportunities and regional headquarters for businesses.
14/12/2020 15:01:10 1 11
bbc
Complete drivel. Johnson will be around for a good few years yet. Hard luck, mate.
14/12/2020 15:58:56 0 1
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Its going to be fine, just fine. Chill.
14/12/2020 17:07:41 0 2
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You're thoughts are really profound.
14/12/2020 17:16:06 0 2
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If you really think it's going to be that bad, why didn't you move to the EU?
In fact, if it's so terrible here why have 4m+ EU citizens decided to stay here too?
Surely if it's going to be that bad they would have all packed up and left and you would too?
14/12/2020 18:37:09 0 2
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Cheer up......it will be ok.
14/12/2020 18:57:04 0 0
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That's OK, we are only ordinary people, we don't count.
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14/12/2020 11:50:06 6 20
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Boris, for goodness sake "do not concede on fishing". If you do you will lose the trust of the people who voted for Brexit.

You will also give the SNP a shot in the arm and never hear the last of it from Nicola Sturgeon!
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14/12/2020 11:52:04 9 5
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Do not concede on something that amounts to eff all.....

Take a look at yourself
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14/12/2020 11:58:47 0 1
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Sturgeon... Now there's a fish we can also the EU with!
14/12/2020 13:23:33 0 2
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Do the people who voted for Brexit really have any trust left?
You won, get over it!
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14/12/2020 11:50:08 547 18
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As Douglas Adams once said:
"I like deadlines. I like the whooshing noise they make as they go by."
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14/12/2020 12:07:57 87 8
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hahaha
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14/12/2020 12:08:59 0 5
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I thought that was Dilbert.
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14/12/2020 12:09:57 12 63
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Time for remainers to wake up. We’ve left. You’ve been moaning for 4 1/2 years. If you’d got behind this instead of trying every means possible to overturn a democratic decision we may have got the trade deal a year ago.

Ie. Lorry queues are down to you remainers.
447
14/12/2020 12:13:38 26 1
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Thanks, such a good line. Great guy.
484
14/12/2020 12:15:18 22 1
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Made me laugh & brightend the day...thanks..
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14/12/2020 12:21:50 1 18
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The song " I will survive'" with the words changd to "UK will survive" should be sung loud & clear- OK song.
14/12/2020 15:00:26 10 1
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How we all miss Douglas Adams and modern equivalents of David Frost, (of TWTWTW, not THAT current David Frost, although the poor guy has been given the impossible job), Beyond the Fringe, Bremner, Bird & Fortune. We have no razor-sharp satirists today; is why Boris & his Toff Gang can get away with his idiocy that will cost most of us. Wonder if new D Frost target is 'One Trade Miricle/ week'?
14/12/2020 15:55:30 2 1
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Whooosh.
14/12/2020 16:02:30 1 1
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Picked up by Maitliss the other night
14/12/2020 16:21:45 5 1
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He also said: " So long, and thanks for all the fish."
14/12/2020 17:09:12 4 1
bbc
Didn’t Douglas Adams also write the line: “So long, and thanks for all the fish”?
14/12/2020 18:32:20 0 3
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Nice one.....little Dick.
14/12/2020 18:53:18 1 1
bbc
The senario resembles the depressed elevators..

Except the elevators were philosophists.
14/12/2020 21:59:54 2 0
bbc
I think Douglas Adams also said (or maybe it was 'The Book') "Those who most want to govern should on no account be allowed to do so"
...and I'm not only thinking of Trump
15/12/2020 16:24:51 0 0
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So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish is the fourth book of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy "trilogy" written by Douglas Adams. Its title is the message left by the dolphins when they departed Planet Earth just before it was demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass

Hey Macron , so long and thanks for All the fish
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14/12/2020 11:50:25 170 70
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This is where reality kicks in Cultists, either Boris caves in or accept all being poorer for a few sprats.
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Jon
14/12/2020 12:33:38 99 24
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He'll just tell us that we are richer. See ”1984”.
xlr
14/12/2020 13:23:40 3 1
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"We gave the populace four years to prepare" is likely the best you'll get out of Boris and Raab.

They don't need to bother humouring the public any more. They got their mandate to screw it up for four more years and an 80 seat majority to vote in any society-hating capitalistic nihilism the Tories feel like. Best you can do is turn the map red in the council elections, a pyrric victory at best.
14/12/2020 15:17:50 0 4
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Yawn. Remainers claiming exclusive knowledge of reality again.
14/12/2020 22:31:16 0 0
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I want us "ALL" to be poorer. The working classes already had their jobs exported to the East EU, they had their GP surgeries flooded with EU citizens (my wait to see a GP went from 1 day to 1 month between 2003 and 2010) and houses prices shot up as demand outstripped supply and the middle class landlords profited.

Now it's your turn son. We have nothing to lose and will laugh when you suffer.
15/12/2020 01:54:19 0 1
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Boris has two choices, as I see it:

1. Concede - risk political suicide. And face the wrath of the people that voted for a clean breakaway from the EU.

2. Stand firm - for the sake of an independent, sovereign nation.

I know which one I would choose.
31
14/12/2020 11:50:29 49 26
bbc
We'll end up with one foot still in the door, and within 20 years, we'll have both feet firmly back under the table.
305
14/12/2020 12:06:22 35 17
bbc
I do hope so. A future outside the EU will be the bleakest choice the UK could make. Thanks, Boris, Gove and the rest.
32
14/12/2020 11:50:30 15 17
bbc
Deadline is 31.12.20 in law.

UK will push the Eu this time right up to the wire to get the right deal for the UK.. otherwise it'll be WTO terms and no fishing rights for Eu .
Macron will have to explain that back home.
45
14/12/2020 11:52:02 9 5
bbc
Why this obsession with Macron? He is only 1 of 27.
151
14/12/2020 11:59:24 1 2
bbc
And no right for us to sell fish in the EU either - it’s called a stalemate
33
14/12/2020 11:50:35 652 256
bbc
I see the latest bandwagon for Brexiters is that tariffs on imports will pay for Covid & 'no deal'! This is economic lunacy in any time, but right now is closer to economic suicide, especially for manufacturing & farming!??
90
14/12/2020 11:55:13 419 171
bbc
Yes that is quite the most stupid statement ever from the brexiters...
144
xlr
14/12/2020 11:58:57 75 10
bbc
It's just a poundshop version of "Build a wall and Mexico will pay for it!"
203
14/12/2020 12:01:37 46 9
bbc
How big will the tariffs have to be to reduce the UK's £2trillion national debt?
351
14/12/2020 12:08:38 39 3
bbc
The tariffs on imports are collected by the government
That means the price of the product is increased
The purchasers therefore pay the tariff on the imports
That would mean we pay towards all gov't expenditure
370
14/12/2020 12:09:32 60 8
bbc
They obviously don't know how tarrifs work. Here is how they work. The government assigns a tarrif, the cost of the product goes up, you the consumer pay that additional cost.... so it is still us having to pay for COVID and No Deal...

Are people really that thick not to understand this?
481
14/12/2020 12:15:16 52 5
bbc
You expect sense. Even the Brexit Minister did not know that Dover was an important port for getting goods to the continent. The gullible being led by the blind.
489
14/12/2020 12:15:32 10 24
bbc
Who in authority is saying that then? Source please.
632
14/12/2020 12:22:22 4 17
bbc
Labour rumour mill in overdrive again, and don't see you moaning about European tariffs that already exist.
701
14/12/2020 12:16:51 4 11
bbc
Please give specifics as to who and when this has been stated by anybody in any position to implement it.
719
14/12/2020 12:26:42 12 2
bbc
But don't the Tories also want the UK to be a beacon of free trade which would remove all those tariffs Brexiteers expect will pay for no deal and Covid.
970
14/12/2020 12:42:05 4 28
bbc
I see the latest bandwagon for Brexiters is that tariffs on imports will pay for Covid & 'no deal'? No, this is the FAKE Bandwagon that Remainers have invented. The 'Reality'? we get to choose NOT to buy product from EU that has a tariff and some businesses may well choose to manufacture some of these here in the UK.
Very happy to pay the 'higher price' for a UK product than an EU-tariff product!
E
14/12/2020 12:44:16 4 7
bbc
But there has been some good news, the first German has received a vaccine jab. In the UK
14/12/2020 12:57:41 2 5
bbc
You see that, or has your fevered imagination just made it up for this HYS Slim?
14/12/2020 12:59:20 2 6
bbc
No it isn't, but feel free to continue amusing us with your hyperbole and hysteria.
TC
14/12/2020 13:13:05 1 6
bbc
Are you one of Trumps missing voters. Only vote for stupidity?
14/12/2020 13:20:02 5 1
bbc
I wonder who they think is going to end up paying those tarrifs on imports to UK?
14/12/2020 13:50:58 4 10
bbc
Latest remainer strategy, post a stupid potentially made-up rumour supposidly from a Brexiteer and then use it as a springboard to insult people that don't agree with them.

Not big, not clever and just childish because they aren't getting their way.

So sad.
14/12/2020 14:06:46 7 3
bbc
"I see the latest bandwagon for Brexiters is that tariffs on imports will pay for Covid & 'no deal'!"

Many people still don't understand that they will pay the import tariffs through retail prices. It's like getting excited about a VAT increase.
14/12/2020 14:11:57 1 5
bbc
We don't care if we're worse off. We'll be free. The EU is SO kind trying to help us be better off........
14/12/2020 14:22:04 3 3
bbc
Yes, the fact that WE pay the tariffs seems to have escaped them (though I see Dale has had the good grace to apologise for muddled thinking today. Would that more Brexiters made such admissions...perhaps we would not then be in such a mess.).
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DG
14/12/2020 11:50:41 6 17
bbc
Hopefully Macron accepts that our fish are not on the table. If he does this, we can move forward with further discussions
94
14/12/2020 11:55:46 4 1
bbc
The fish are a side show. If we fail to agree because of fish, 0.3% of the economy, then we are crackers.
141
14/12/2020 11:58:49 1 1
bbc
And what then - we will not be able to sell our fish to the EU - further devastation to the UK economy...
627
14/12/2020 12:22:04 2 1
bbc
"our fish are not on the table"

That's the spirit! Dust down that old Spitfire, chap!

Tell me...who are you going to sell your fish to?

And where will you get your cod and haddock from?
2
14/12/2020 11:47:10 36 35
bbc
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit

No deal Brexit is complete failure by liar Johnson
35
14/12/2020 11:50:50 27 9
bbc
He'll probably come back at the last minute waving some flimsy scrap of paper, and claim that it's the best deal ever. And sadly, his dimwitted followers will believe his lies yet again.
649
14/12/2020 12:23:11 2 3
bbc
"Sovereignty in our time", and it'll be just as successful as Chamberlain's paper waving
14/12/2020 12:47:06 4 1
bbc
Wasn't that the plan all along?
Well, ok, maybe there wasn't a plan.
36
cx
bbc
Whatever happens Brexit is a huge sh it sandwich and we all have to take a bite. Removed
615
14/12/2020 12:21:48 23 20
bbc
Only yourselves to blame for not persuading enough people to vote Remain in June 2016
14/12/2020 12:59:07 0 1
bbc
Nobody will swallow that.
6
14/12/2020 11:47:45 17 27
bbc
Walk away, then negotiate after 1 Jan when we are gruels independent. I am a small business owner and know the risks, but you are negotiating from a positive position then.
37
14/12/2020 11:51:18 12 7
bbc
So with import/export delays, higher prices shortages and civil unrest? dream on uk would have no choice but make many concessions...
38
14/12/2020 11:51:20 7 5
bbc
Assuming they are actually negotiating and not just avoiding being blamed, a deal would be preferable. The 1st Jan is arbitrary, so a 3 month extension could be done in order to let businesses prepare. As long as they understand that ANY messing about in the new year means No Deal.
14/12/2020 22:12:08 0 0
bbc
It's not 1st Jan it's 31 Dec, at 23.00hrs. It's not arbitrary either, It's Parliamentary Law, and it better stay that way.
39
14/12/2020 11:51:30 1 19
bbc
EU, kicking the Can
40
14/12/2020 11:51:41 8 8
bbc
Quite astonishing now a Tory m.p. calls it a failure if Johnson gets no deal and hints he could be forced out of office.
75
14/12/2020 11:54:08 12 2
bbc
Its called common sense; getting rid of uks worst ever sub-priminster
127
14/12/2020 11:57:58 1 2
bbc
Of course. No Deal will be disasterous for the Tories and will play straight into Starmer's hands.

No all Brexit voters were Daily Express reading swivel eyed hard brexit loons.
129
14/12/2020 11:58:01 4 1
bbc
Not really astonishing , just democracy. The Leave Manifesto had 100% a deal scenario on it . No deal was never mentioned by official Leave campaigners . Leave won the referendum so they had a mandate to deliver Brexit WITH a deal. There has never been a Brexit mandate for no deal so this Tory MP is dead right. No deal is both a failure and non democratic
167
14/12/2020 12:00:15 4 1
bbc
Let's hope he's forced out of office regardless of the outcome of the negotiations. I'm sick of the sight and sound of the pathetic wazzock
41
14/12/2020 11:51:42 6 3
bbc
it will be finished before Christmas mr frost has
work to do in the grotto
42
14/12/2020 11:51:45 195 71
bbc
considering the the vote was 52-48, shouldn't we be aiming to be more or less half in half out...

this is coming from a leave voter btw
148
14/12/2020 11:59:12 141 35
bbc
why does everything have to be so polarised in the UK.. not everything has to be a binary choice.. the gov setting a terrible example (as usual)
304
14/12/2020 12:06:17 15 3
bbc
In other words, May's deal. Was not bad after all...
666
14/12/2020 12:24:06 2 21
bbc
That was referred to having our cake and eating it. The EU27 are the ones that have insisted that it's got to be all or nothing.
749
14/12/2020 12:28:18 3 14
bbc
OMG - another vote for proportional representation where nothing is done or decided
14/12/2020 12:55:01 0 3
bbc
Yep and maybe scotland should have half independance
14/12/2020 13:11:42 11 2
bbc
Remain voter here and I totally agree. Very sensible.
14/12/2020 13:30:32 1 4
bbc
Agreed, I attribute blame for the current shambles equally at the feet of the ERG and the Gina Miller brigade.

___________________________
14/12/2020 13:34:45 5 2
bbc
I completely agree. I don't think that 52 should be able to control 48. I voted remain but accept that leave got more votes. However, I think that some concessions or compromises should have been made to bring those who voted remain along rather than cut them adrift.
14/12/2020 13:56:18 3 1
bbc
You are a Leave voter who believes in democracy and fairness, good for you.
14/12/2020 14:35:22 0 1
bbc
Harry and Megan tried that and that didn't go too well for them. There was no third choice of half and half, it was leave or remain and it's too late the try to move the goalposts now.
14/12/2020 14:56:35 0 1
bbc
Or the equivalent of having your cake and eating it... unreasonable and irrational
14/12/2020 15:14:15 0 2
bbc
This is what would have happened if Theresa May was still in power, but the Remainers in parliament tried to stop Brexit completely, and so damaged the chance for compromise. The EU negotiating tactics did the rest.
14/12/2020 15:26:36 2 2
bbc
Well, we are. We're trying to keep the trade half of the relationship and ditch the political control half.

Sadly the EU seems to prefer the opposite approach, which is kind of the reason for leaving in the first place.
Tim
14/12/2020 15:51:57 2 1
bbc
I'd have happily accepted EFTA (which is leaving the EU) as a 'remainer', but it was never an option available only 'hard' Brexit.
14/12/2020 16:11:45 1 1
bbc
Having one foot in the EU and one foot in the UK just means your balls get wet.
14/12/2020 16:17:10 0 2
bbc
The (non-binding) vote was for a concept - leave the EU. The concept should have been fleshed out into a concrete detailed proposal, and the result of that put back to the British people in a binding referendum. However, that would not have worked for the plans the hard-right Brexiteers had for their disaster capitalism inspired portfolios, so it was never to be.
14/12/2020 17:57:06 0 1
bbc
May tried that approach and it took her down to 9% at the ballot box. A fudge that didn't work for either side.
14/12/2020 18:10:44 0 1
bbc
It seems the 2016 was a 'winner takes all' referendum.

During the campaigning, many Brexit supporters did talk about staying in the Single Market. But once they won, all those promises quickly turned to ashes.

But yes, with the vote so close, and support for Brexit now down to 38% (YouGov), the govt SHOULD be looking for a compromise. But Boris is afraid of the ERG.
14/12/2020 19:20:36 0 0
bbc
Which unfortunately means you have to own what you have caused....got any factual benefits for your choice yet, or a bank account big enough to reimburse us all for the damage you have done? Didn't think so....you lot make me sick
15/12/2020 00:57:19 0 0
bbc
You know damn well that's not how democracy works.
15/12/2020 01:49:55 0 0
bbc
The referendum vote was not based on proportional representation.

It was based upon majority rule.

And the majority now rules - it chose to leave the EU.
15/12/2020 12:42:56 0 0
bbc
A glass half full? The headline, rhetoric, rant, and populist speech-writers won't be able to cope!

It's 100% full-on hatred and war, or zzzzzzzzzzzzz too dull
agree
2
14/12/2020 11:47:10 36 35
bbc
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit

No deal Brexit is complete failure by liar Johnson
43
14/12/2020 11:51:46 6 9
bbc
No mandate indeed.

Apart from the referendum and five separate national elections.

But they didn't count as general elections are advisory.
4
14/12/2020 11:47:38 25 34
bbc
Respect our Sovereignty
Or expect a No Deal

Over to you, E.U.
44
14/12/2020 11:51:47 8 5
bbc
Throwing inflammatory comments in like you regularly do doesn't make you bright. In fact you regularly show you misunderstand the whole process.
32
14/12/2020 11:50:30 15 17
bbc
Deadline is 31.12.20 in law.

UK will push the Eu this time right up to the wire to get the right deal for the UK.. otherwise it'll be WTO terms and no fishing rights for Eu .
Macron will have to explain that back home.
45
14/12/2020 11:52:02 9 5
bbc
Why this obsession with Macron? He is only 1 of 27.
105
14/12/2020 11:56:55 2 3
bbc
Because the French demand their way or no way. Macron cannot afford to offend any of the groups in France e.g. fishing industry as they will strike, riot, and destroy his "popularity".
I actually quite admire their single-minded obsession with "France First" but democratic and fair, it ain't
200
14/12/2020 12:01:32 2 3
bbc
In a fair EU that would be the case. However the EU is not a fair organization - this is because Macron and Merkle run the EU for the benefit of France and Germany.
46
14/12/2020 11:52:03 3 3
bbc
Hope, hope, hope...
That the everyday people of the UK get a deal that will allow them all to live a good life.
There has been so much said by all on this matter - it it all irrelevant
It is the people who matter
28
14/12/2020 11:50:06 6 20
bbc
Boris, for goodness sake "do not concede on fishing". If you do you will lose the trust of the people who voted for Brexit.

You will also give the SNP a shot in the arm and never hear the last of it from Nicola Sturgeon!
47
14/12/2020 11:52:04 9 5
bbc
Do not concede on something that amounts to eff all.....

Take a look at yourself
48
14/12/2020 11:52:06 5 10
bbc
Come on Brits, time to ask bojo to get out of No 10

or

COVID lockdown 3 and no deal will go through 2021

Good luck
49
14/12/2020 11:52:07 661 395
bbc
Britain lost the moral high ground years ago.

Britain was invited to the EEC in the 1950s, and Eden’s government made a snobbish refusal.

In the 1960s, Britain BEGGED for membership after losing the empire.

Shortly after, Thatcher demanded our membership fees back.

Since then, our newspapers have lied endlessly about the EU.

This country has become a pariah state.
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14/12/2020 11:57:00 466 461
bbc
And we’re all very thankful for your astute and objective opinion...not!

Britain and the US actually created the EU as a device to stop Germany attacking France again. It then promptly destroyed our steel industry by undercutting thanks to the EU Coal and Steel Federation and of course the main block was the bitter, GB hating and thankless DeGaulle.

Balance your argument or say nothing.
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xlr
14/12/2020 12:02:43 74 37
bbc
Britain was hardly ever the exemplar of free trade. Before the empire it enriched itself via high seas piracy; during the empire by using captive colonial markets and gunboat diplomacy - trade deals signed by threat of force.

The past is really unimportant. But apparently not to the ERG, who seem to go back to the old days of piracy and captive markets. Except now it's called neoliberalism.
266
14/12/2020 12:04:36 61 36
bbc
That's a very one sided and inaccurate view of Britain's history with the EEC
289
14/12/2020 12:05:35 49 71
bbc
Well you have an option, go live in your federal EU and enjoy. You lost the argument in the UK to and mourn in the EU.
592
14/12/2020 12:20:48 44 15
bbc
Nonsense ... the UK is not a pariah state

A pariah state (also called an international pariah or a global pariah) is a nation considered to be an outcast in the international community. A pariah state may face international isolation, sanctions or even an invasion by nations who find its policies, actions, or its very existence unacceptable.
864
14/12/2020 12:35:27 2 11
bbc
..are you leaving us then??
14/12/2020 13:00:17 8 6
bbc
A pariah state?! What is this moral high ground you speak of? I guess it is where you sit perched, radiant in undimmed moral splendour. Smugly crowing about all the historical intricacies that make the EU a continuing bastion of what we cannot live without. When really, like me, you’re just another cock atop a pile fetid manure banging away on a keyboard.
14/12/2020 13:01:32 8 6
bbc
HeyLockdown, some facts wouldn’t go amiss here!! Britain applied in the 50s but De Gaulle used his veto, many times. But you conveniently forget that then it was a about a loose economic alliance, now it is an overarching political control group. However, don’t let the facts get in the way will you get?? ??
14/12/2020 13:08:40 6 3
bbc
Whilst I like your chronology, I think you have drawn your own conclusions from an underlying critical / biased perspective (it does come across as being angry).

I don't think we are a pariah State - hence why so many people decent and good folk want to come to the UK. Fairness, Equality, Opportunity, Law and Order, Outward looking perspective of the world ...
14/12/2020 13:12:30 4 9
bbc
Are you still in it? If so, why? If not, get lost ;-)
14/12/2020 13:23:27 4 7
bbc
why dont you leave if its that bad?
14/12/2020 13:29:02 3 7
bbc
It was the Treaty of Paris 1951 that set the ball in motion. The Treaty of Rome 1957 EEC was created. UK applied for membership of EEC in 1961 - there was no 'begging'. President Charles de Gaulle vetoed our membership. All was fine until the Maastricht Treaty 1993 when the EEC became the EC and the nails in the coffin since then Treaty of Amsterdam 1997, Treaty of Nice 2001, Treaty of Lisbon 2007
14/12/2020 13:33:49 1 6
bbc
What absolute rubbish!
14/12/2020 14:11:15 1 1
bbc
Will they wake up to technical realities?
PO
14/12/2020 14:14:15 0 3
bbc
The door is still open? If you aren't happy ..........
14/12/2020 14:16:56 1 3
bbc
What an ignorant serious of statements. The EU is corrupt - it allows a repressive country like Hungary carry on. Poland is restricting freedom of press. Czech Republic has virtual slave labour working, digging up streets for utilities. Malta kills whistleblowers take bribes from Middle East - WOW! What a great regime the EU really is.
4
14/12/2020 11:47:38 25 34
bbc
Respect our Sovereignty
Or expect a No Deal

Over to you, E.U.
50
14/12/2020 11:52:13 1 5
bbc
So if you want to be completely free its no deal & a new uk gov
27
14/12/2020 11:49:46 356 112
bbc
Seems like it's all going to plan. Johnson's on course for the lucrative after dinner speech circuit and an autobiography coming to a charity shop near you. Not so sure about the future for the rest of us though!
51
14/12/2020 11:52:17 358 161
bbc
The rest of us are totally screwed thanks to Boris' personal ambition & vanity!??
319
14/12/2020 12:07:14 16 4
bbc
Not just Boris, much wider than just BJ and includes the entire British population who was able to vote for Brexit. We failed to establish the terms of the exit before we voted and we’re reaping accordingly. Or weeping, depends on where you sit in this whole sorry shambolic state of affairs.
14/12/2020 14:19:33 1 8
bbc
Freedom
14/12/2020 15:01:21 1 7
bbc
Yawn.
14/12/2020 15:32:55 0 3
bbc
Why, because he kept his election promise, did as mandated by a democratic referendum and got us out if the EU (which is loved by no one in the world, (except the self hating remoaners).
14/12/2020 16:00:40 1 1
bbc
What else did you expect from a man who stands with his hands in his pockets like Benny Hill.
14/12/2020 18:25:53 0 2
bbc
No Heath was the egit that took us in and it has been downhill for the country ever since. Mass unemployment, spiralling debt, balance of payments deficits, no work, no production, no wealth.
14/12/2020 18:37:50 0 2
bbc
O dear.......another immature little darling.
15/12/2020 10:04:04 0 0
bbc
Really, I thought it was because people kept having babies...
52
14/12/2020 11:52:23 111 38
bbc
Amazing how everyone is to blame for this except the people that campaigned for & voted for it.

I bet these are the same types of people who crash into parked cars then disappear without leaving their details.
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14/12/2020 11:59:36 59 68
bbc
and it's just these kind of blanket, insulting generalisations that cost you the vote in 2015.
487
14/12/2020 12:15:23 13 16
bbc
Blame for what exactly? Don't see Leavers blaming anyone for anything ....not everyone blames other folks all the time like Remainers do ...except themselves of course for failing to get enough votes in June 2016.
Keep the analogies going, it's easier to do that than articulate anything useful.
Merry Christmas ...cheer up
920
14/12/2020 12:38:43 0 2
bbc
# sounds oddly specific
14/12/2020 22:59:48 3 0
bbc
What a stupid comment. Obvious who is to blame..... Remoaners.
15/12/2020 01:56:08 0 0
bbc
Of course.
Why would we want to identify ourselves?
We are not morons.
53
14/12/2020 11:52:27 3 5
bbc
Brexit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
54
14/12/2020 11:52:29 3 5
bbc
It isn't going the extra mile: it's going round & round in circles over the last furlong or so.

Essentially each side wants to be able to accuse the other of failing to negotiate so neither has the gumption to call it off.

50% chance of extension of Transition. Or that Boris caves in. Again.
55
14/12/2020 11:52:36 23 16
bbc
Fabulous waste of time and effort (and money).

Option 1 - No Deal (qu'elle surprise)

Option 2 - a decent deal for the UK (France will veto)

Option 3 - a decent deal for the EU (UK will vote it out)

The BBC has actually reported that the EU are treating the UK differrently to other countries, during these negotiations i.e. more harshly.
Must be the "Level Playing Field" we hear so much about.
513
14/12/2020 12:16:31 1 6
bbc
Level Playing Field is one way of putting it.

Another is discrimination based on geographical proximity i.e. a form of nationalistic racism.

In fact, any tariffs between any country are protectionist, nationalist & racist.

It cannot be logically countered any other way, especially in todays age of equality (or does that only apply to people, not countries & corporations?)
556
14/12/2020 12:19:03 2 0
bbc
Did anyone seriously expect EU to accept a pricing cutting (and incidentally a low welfare, competitor on its doorstep without protest? Look at the EU/US dispute over Airbus and Boeing, tit for tat sanctions which have no connection with the aviation industry were introduced and approved by the WTO.
56
14/12/2020 11:52:42 3 2
bbc
DG 11:50
Hopefully Macron accepts that our fish are not on the table. If he does this, we can move forward with further discussions
##

You can be sure that some will be. There will just be some arm wrestling to decide the exact amount.
57
14/12/2020 11:52:46 3 0
bbc
So after the "extra" extra time, when does the penalty shootout begin ... and who decides how many penalties?
78
14/12/2020 11:54:20 9 1
bbc
Germans- they always win on penalties!
80
14/12/2020 11:54:39 2 0
bbc
Spoken like a true Brexiter.
258
14/12/2020 12:04:23 1 0
bbc
No penalties needed. It is 'Sudden Death' for the UK
Johnson is the most incompetent, idle, dishonest and unsuitable individual, post war, to hold the office of prime minister. Even his own supporters KNOW and ADMIT this. Whatever happens after this shambles has been concluded somewhat he must RESIGN. Mrs Thatcher would have kicked him down the halls and out through the door of number ten, and flung his jacket after him Removed
130
14/12/2020 11:58:03 315 337
bbc
Haha...80 seat majority.
328
14/12/2020 12:07:35 22 55
bbc
Seeing as how it was the EU issue that finally did for Thatcher I really don't think you KNOW anything and should RESIGN yourself to ADMIT that. Have nice day.
338
14/12/2020 12:08:08 86 21
bbc
He is a sad comment on British democracy and the decline of a great political party. I have never voted Tory, never will especially after this clown, but I have to acknowledge the honesty and probity of leaders like Heath and Thatcher (who I detested).

Hoswever, both Tory members and voters knew they were voting for a dishonest clown whose only interest was his own career,
343
14/12/2020 12:06:39 40 63
bbc
As usual, 0.0005% of the electorate, attempting to dictate to others through the medium of HYS rants.
365
14/12/2020 12:09:19 32 71
bbc
Nah. Blair by far was the worst.
378
14/12/2020 12:10:10 39 11
bbc
I always link adults who write in capitals with children having a tantrum because they haven’t got what they want!
379
14/12/2020 12:10:18 63 12
bbc
Of course he'll resign and run away to leave others to mop up his trail of crap.
452
14/12/2020 12:13:54 7 16
bbc
Your opinion not the majority's, 80 seat majority without trying
529
14/12/2020 12:17:31 8 28
bbc
Boris is not what you say he is.You should look at how Cameron and May did in the negotiations with the EU. At least Boris is keeping to his word.
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Pat
14/12/2020 12:24:24 5 23
bbc
Have you forgotten Teresa the appeaser , Tony Bliar The grey man and the unelected Gordon is a Mormon
692
14/12/2020 12:25:41 14 1
bbc
He seems to have adopted the persona recently of Ernie the fastest milkman in the west - apologies to the estate of Benny Hill.
Removed
771
14/12/2020 12:29:57 7 1
bbc
You missed out and pre-war
823
14/12/2020 12:33:13 4 12
bbc
Drama (Queen). . .Grow up.
858
14/12/2020 12:34:58 1 10
bbc
..with you being kicked out as well.
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14/12/2020 12:37:03 6 15
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What is this 'utter nonsense' we have here? 80-seat majority and no doubt an even larger majority regardless a vote today or come next election day. Many of us who were lifelong voters of Labour are well pleased we switched in 2016 and again when we voted for Boris this last election. Pity Boris was stabbed in the back and they elected TM as 'leader' - what a waste of time that was.
14/12/2020 12:43:44 2 15
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Totaly wrong,she would have promoted him,Mrs thatcher did not like the common market as it was called in those days.Get your facts right before you and many others on this hys site spout a load of garbage.
14/12/2020 12:53:43 2 11
bbc
No, we know quite the opposite.
14/12/2020 13:14:12 5 3
bbc
Boris should resign.

I wish Keir could be prime minister instead.
14/12/2020 13:19:07 8 1
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I think you have in typically British fashion understated his shortcomings ;)
14/12/2020 13:22:27 1 11
bbc
I take it youre a bitter loser? (still)
14/12/2020 13:25:28 5 1
bbc
Johnstone resign? It's his mess he needs to fix it not run away in the new year. If he can't by 2024 we can vote for a party that will take us back in to the EU
14/12/2020 13:31:11 2 5
bbc
Utter rubbish,
14/12/2020 13:33:35 1 2
bbc
As far as dishonesty goes, several other post war PMs have been dishonest about the EEC/EU and its intentions - John Major and Maastricht comes to mind
14/12/2020 13:43:28 4 1
bbc
Ahh Thatcher, now that was one nasty piece of work
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14/12/2020 11:52:48 4 4
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john d
11:49
"Making a great effort that would suit 80% provided there is autonomy".

Please explain this statement.
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14/12/2020 11:48:24 29 14
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Good sense may yet prevail.
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14/12/2020 11:52:55 18 8
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Yeah and the pink little porkers might fly.
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14/12/2020 11:53:02 4 1
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More likely now that parts of a deal will be found, stretching into next year and beyond.
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14/12/2020 12:09:57 0 1
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Yes nothing wrong with that ..the EU always take at least 10 years to negotiate trade deals so not sure why this will be any different
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14/12/2020 11:53:07 7 7
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It's too late now. This is just a blame-avoiding exercise.
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14/12/2020 12:08:55 2 0
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It's a negotiation process so it's never too late
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14/12/2020 11:53:10 11 7
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Yipee another HYS on brexit!
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14/12/2020 11:53:14 94 16
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Great news. It’s in the interest of both sides to have a deal.
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14/12/2020 12:01:15 77 19
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It is a catalogue of posturing, lies, misinformation, stupidity, bluster etc from both sides.

An object lesson in the inadequacy of political leadership in the 21st century which puts political aspiration above common sense and he public good.

Truly pathetic game playing!!
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14/12/2020 12:08:22 1 1
bbc
Yep, it always was ...too money rich elites in the UK and EU would lose out otherwise
15/12/2020 01:54:57 0 0
bbc
Not really.
Go back and read your Jack and John books.
15/12/2020 02:14:58 0 0
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But not the same deal.
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14/12/2020 11:53:28 5 2
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Negotiation was always going to go down to the wire. Who seriously believed the Sunday deadline - these things just don't work that way.
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14/12/2020 12:07:31 3 0
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So many ' experts' here on HYS who have clearly never negotiated anything significant in their lives.
The contracts based business I work in has no issue negotiating anything down to the wire ...and beyond if necessary.
That's why it's called a negotiation process.
Show me any trade deal that the EU did in less than 10 years anyway.
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14/12/2020 11:53:29 1 6
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does it finish with a live WEST END live streamed performance of the already agreed FUDGE on New Years Eve ?

No side can be seen to lose face .... we are big friends remember ...

We should have threatened to do a trade deal with Russia !!
US begins biggest roll out in its history..
Trump. not having it an where near the White House
What a POTUS!
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14/12/2020 11:53:44 5 8
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I do not see the problem about fishing alone.
The waters in question belong to us by law. We can do as we please.
If at a later date we find deposits of a much needed mineral, for example, It will be ours to handle. Not give 80% of it to France.
If the French eventually realise that the waters are ours nwe can negotiate a FAIR share of fish for them.
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14/12/2020 11:57:18 5 1
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UK fishermen have been selling their quotas from our waters to EU fishermen for years. It was the UK government who decided to commercialise these quotas. It would serve those fishermen right if they had to repay all that money to the foreign fishermen in order to “take control of our waters”.
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14/12/2020 11:57:26 1 0
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The UK indicated it will break international law.
You have undermined law.
You have undermined 'law's on fishing grounds because it is based on law......the very thing you willingly break
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14/12/2020 11:59:28 1 0
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Why are you worried about the French? Shouldn't you be more concerned about the Dutch and Danish?
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14/12/2020 11:58:57 1 0
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I'll bet you don't know where "the waters" actually are
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14/12/2020 12:00:40 1 0
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The UK indicated it will break international law.
Westminster have undermined law.
Westminster undermined 'law's on fishing grounds because it is based on law......the very thing westminister willingly break so casually.
Let's address the legal basis on fish ownership.
And remember that the catchers of the fish have to sell it. Vive la France
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14/12/2020 12:00:50 2 0
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We trouble is we sold those fishing rights to them.
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14/12/2020 11:48:45 30 26
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Two options:

1. Johnson lied and was always aiming for no deal to suit his rich backers in a money grab not seen since the ppe contracts of, well, the spring.

2. Johnson has lied to assume power with erg/dup swivel eyed support and is buying time until he can close parliament for Xmas and then sign the deal without scrutiny

Both are likely as there’s never been a more dishonest and corrupt pm
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14/12/2020 11:53:48 8 10
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Tony Blair , lies about weapons of mass destruction , invades Iraq, take control of oil ....does this ring a bell? people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
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14/12/2020 12:05:08 4 3
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Nope Johnson lies all the time. To say “what about Blair” is really weird
14/12/2020 13:06:47 1 3
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And that affected your job and the UK economy how?
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14/12/2020 11:48:45 30 26
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Two options:

1. Johnson lied and was always aiming for no deal to suit his rich backers in a money grab not seen since the ppe contracts of, well, the spring.

2. Johnson has lied to assume power with erg/dup swivel eyed support and is buying time until he can close parliament for Xmas and then sign the deal without scrutiny

Both are likely as there’s never been a more dishonest and corrupt pm
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14/12/2020 11:53:52 4 2
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Any deal still has to gain Parliamentary approval in both the U.K. and EU.
14/12/2020 19:52:22 0 0
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.....where as No Deal doesn't!
Parliament rises on17th, and the leaving time, and date, is enshrined in Law. 23.00hrs, 31st December 2020. Just in time for the New Years Fireworks.
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14/12/2020 11:53:53 3 9
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Here's hoping for a trade deal that respects the UK as an independent nation, and doesn't attempt to control or stifle our economy, through punitive measures, to keep us pegged back with the stagnating EU. Our so-called friends.

It's nice to see the EU sees Brexit for its potential and needs "brakes" putting in place - no chance. Hats off to them for having foresight.

Otherwise - no deal.
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14/12/2020 11:53:56 8 10
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confuseddotcom 11:51
EU, kicking the Can

##

Boris, resolute as always.
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14/12/2020 11:54:03 6 11
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The negotiations have been going on people say there is no mandate for non deal yet December elect shows there is. Tories campaigned on get Brexit done won a 80 seat majority pro remain Lib Dem’s wiped out sit on the fence labour embarrassed. So please stop saying there is no mandate for Brexit let’s just get on with it
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14/12/2020 11:55:48 6 2
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The Tories campaigned on getting a deal...
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14/12/2020 11:57:52 1 1
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Please remember only 43% of voters contributed to the 80 majority. There are many conservative and persons in the 57% non conservatives.
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14/12/2020 11:59:15 1 0
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The Tories large mandate was because Corbin was in charge of Labour.
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14/12/2020 11:53:47 3 17
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No to the so called eu supper state ! protect our fish ! it would be worse if Corbin was in charge !
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14/12/2020 11:57:11 3 0
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I did not vote for Corbin and still would not but it would be better if Rory Stewart was in charge.
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14/12/2020 11:57:47 1 0
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deflection alert detected! Take cover
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14/12/2020 12:04:07 2 0
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Does the 'supper state' you refer to provide fish suppers :-)
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14/12/2020 12:04:08 1 0
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Another dysfunctional who knows the Tories are utterly dire but can only comment on the opposition.
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14/12/2020 12:04:33 0 0
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What about the breakfast and dinner state. How could anyone make this worse?
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14/12/2020 12:12:21 0 0
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So the EU is a supper state!
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14/12/2020 11:51:41 8 8
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Quite astonishing now a Tory m.p. calls it a failure if Johnson gets no deal and hints he could be forced out of office.
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14/12/2020 11:54:08 12 2
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Its called common sense; getting rid of uks worst ever sub-priminster
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14/12/2020 11:54:18 9 21
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Come on Boris Johnson, you can do this, you are doing a great job, on Brexit and covid
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14/12/2020 11:55:51 9 4
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That has to be a joke! Or you work for Tory central office.
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14/12/2020 11:57:55 1 0
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Thank you baby Wilfred
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14/12/2020 11:58:06 1 0
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I would double down on your meds
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14/12/2020 11:59:28 1 0
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Wake up ! Spaffer Johnson is the very worst pm EVER,
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14/12/2020 12:03:19 1 0
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Donald? Is that you?
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14/12/2020 11:47:44 19 16
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Just seal the deal promised - the promised easiest deal in history.

Then we can all move on
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14/12/2020 11:54:20 16 14
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We were told that it "should be"... however the EU are doing what the EU does and yet we have some that feel that they are behaving impeccably. If the EU wanted an easy deal then that is what they would get, but they don't as they're worried about a competitive UK on their doorstep.

I expected this kind of negotiation in 2017, not 2020, and that is the fault of the SNP, Liberals, GM and others.
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14/12/2020 12:10:54 5 6
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The only way the UK will be competitive with the EU, is when the rights of the UK workers are diminished.

This is planned, as the Tories removed the workers rights from the law section of the Withdrawal Agreement, to the political aspiration section, so can easily be changed with parliament approval.

The EU are wise to this, and realise the UK will become a sweatshop for many workers.
14/12/2020 13:05:02 1 6
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Typical Brexiteer - always someone else fault, never can take any of the responsibility.
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14/12/2020 11:52:46 3 0
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So after the "extra" extra time, when does the penalty shootout begin ... and who decides how many penalties?
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14/12/2020 11:54:20 9 1
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Germans- they always win on penalties!
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14/12/2020 12:00:45 2 0
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Yes...but will "piffle" use his fist to deflect the decider in and claim it was the will of God?
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14/12/2020 12:10:24 0 0
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Didn't last time
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14/12/2020 11:54:25 4 19
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What a pity Nigel Farage wasn't invited to conclude talks with EU negotiators. As the only politician with actual business experience and ability to barter terms, he is best placed to serve the UK's interests, namely sovereignty and territorial fishing rights.

Our Navy must be put on immediate alert. Our taxes pay those serving in the armed forces, and the Navy must start patrolling our waters.
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14/12/2020 11:58:28 8 2
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Farage has zero business experience. He also didn't turn up to the fishing committee meetings in the EU, so knows nothing about that either. He's an idiot, and should be kept well away from negotiations.
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14/12/2020 11:57:19 2 1
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why not live up to your username a bit more eh?
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14/12/2020 12:02:16 1 2
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Spot on.
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14/12/2020 12:02:45 3 1
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His only experience has been to incite racial hatred for seventeen years.

Nice try though.
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14/12/2020 12:03:43 2 1
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He would just turn his back on them and waste everyone's time. Shouldn't we wait until the end of the transition period at least to patrol "our" waters. Little Englanders never get it right...
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14/12/2020 12:03:51 1 1
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Good plan, and after we put you and Farage in charge we can all build Anderson shelters, plant potatoes and say a last goodbye to male relatives aged 18 to 30
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14/12/2020 12:05:48 3 0
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Mmmm...
If I recall correctly - Farage was on the EU Fisheries committee
He attended about 2 of the 42 meetings
Represented the UK really well...
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14/12/2020 12:09:15 1 1
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And then take back the empire ?
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14/12/2020 11:52:46 3 0
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So after the "extra" extra time, when does the penalty shootout begin ... and who decides how many penalties?
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14/12/2020 11:54:39 2 0
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Spoken like a true Brexiter.
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14/12/2020 11:54:40 355 132
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What happened to all the quitling cultists saying just walk away with no deal. The German car manufacturers would have been here long ago if you were telling the truth. Why can’t you accept the fact no deal is a pile of “merde de chein”.
There has been plenty of evidence to prove a link between being a Quitling and lower educational attainment. Removed
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14/12/2020 12:16:49 3 10
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We're still here
14/12/2020 13:08:39 18 22
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Estimated 4 million jobs gone in the Eu on hard brexit and maybe 1 million In the UK.

Really seems EU are willing punish it's own people more then the people in the UK.

Just due to fact they can't respect democracy and self determination.

The EU and its people wil suffer hard in a no deal
14/12/2020 13:14:46 6 4
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Someone is getting the EU to hint at concessions, enough to have the French effectively calling the Germans liars the weekend before last.

Here's Katya saying the EU is 'hinting' at concessions, hence the extension.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55297468
Why can't YOU accept that a 'bad deal' is a pile of “merde de chein” and a No Deal is far better than being shackled for ever more to this Federal State Germany / Vichy France pile of “merde de chein” Dictatorship? Removed
14/12/2020 15:11:36 3 0
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Have to disagree about the German car makers. they were never going to set up in the UK.
1 They have the Euro and we have the pound, to much risk of currency fluctuations, when...
2 Germany has the Euro, which if you do the research, greatly favours the Germans, and also allows them to set up car factories in the new joiners to the EU utilising the cheap labour, whilst looking like benefactors.
14/12/2020 16:43:01 3 1
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The word is chien. Please don't pretend you can speak French.
15/12/2020 01:43:26 0 1
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No deal would be wonderful.

I hope we get it. Yesssssssssssssssss
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14/12/2020 11:54:41 9 19
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One can’t negotiate with dictators

Leave No Deal now. .......
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14/12/2020 12:00:53 2 0
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Enjoy your "democracy" when you vote for the House of Lords or your Head of State.....
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14/12/2020 12:02:00 1 0
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Lucky that's not what we are trying to do, more misinformation spread at everyone's loss.
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14/12/2020 12:08:43 1 0
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But as the UK were in the EU up to 2020 are we also Dictators?
Did we also bully other countries in Trade negotiations over the year
Don't really think so
We negotiated for the deal that was best for the EU and as such the UK
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14/12/2020 11:54:42 7 14
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Diplomat on Dutch TV said Boris wanted Barnier out as he's continually playing hardball on Macrons instructions. So as usual the French in their own interest are dictating procedures for all other EU members.
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14/12/2020 11:57:18 3 0
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Sovereignty. Don't you just love it. ??
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14/12/2020 11:56:23 2 0
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meanwhile millions of British people want JOHNSON out
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14/12/2020 11:54:44 409 144
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No deal was the only outcome the ERG-backed Boris ever wanted. Hedge fund investors are salivating at the prospect of years of instability that will make their fortunes while the rest of Britain struggles to make ends meet.
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14/12/2020 11:59:39 228 207
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do you have any evidence to support your conspiracy theories?
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14/12/2020 12:01:36 17 34
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You have ignored all the millionaires in the establishment that have tried to prevent us leaving, who were only thinking of themselves.
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14/12/2020 12:02:56 14 10
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They were doing that anyway whilst we were in the EU if you hadn't noticed.
Wealth has become more concentrated during our time in the EU.
You make it sound like only the UK has a rich elite that looks after itself ...
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14/12/2020 12:29:17 13 1
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and so will the Chancellor and his mates
14/12/2020 13:34:03 9 25
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I'm a remainer and strongly opposed to Johnson, but this is poor even by the standards of a conspiracy theory.

Very rich people make money. That doesn't mean that everything happens because of their desire to make money. It means they make money out of what happens. Whatever happens. Either way.

Johnson is a bog standard pragmatist survivor, that's all.
14/12/2020 13:55:08 4 9
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If No deal was the only outcome the ERG-backed Boris ever wanted then your next 'words of wisdom' are that the only reason Boris is going the extra mile is not to be seen as the deal breaker. Unbelievable claptrap, worse than 'fake news', more like 'out there with the aliens in cloud cuckoo land'.
14/12/2020 15:00:00 0 5
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Are you personally acquainted with the Prime Minister? Or is it that you don't know what you are talking about?
14/12/2020 15:49:46 7 0
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People are fickle especially when it hurts jobs and what is in their pockets, even if we get a deal it will not stop the pain, it will be just not as hard as no deal, but it will still hurt.
As soon as Brexit is done deal or no deal, the Conservative infighting will begin, but the mess will extend well past the next few elections imo

Since 2010 its on Conservatives shoulders, their responsibility
14/12/2020 17:20:06 0 2
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So why didn't Boris simply leave on yesterday's deadline

Fake news
14/12/2020 18:05:05 0 3
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That isn't how hedge funds work.
14/12/2020 18:09:52 1 0
bbc
No I dont think Boris wanted no-deal, but he has been forced into a corner due to his incompetence.
14/12/2020 18:24:44 0 2
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99;5% struggle to make ends meet because of jobs going to places like Slovenia on the back of grants and subsidies paid for by us, and then the output of those jobs coming in as imports sucking more money and more jobs out with the cash used to pay for the goods. Those few left with a job compete with cheap imported labour. So leaving HELPS the majority
14/12/2020 18:55:46 3 0
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Bozo only backed brexit because he though it would get him the PMs job, he didn't expect brexit to win, didn't you see the horrified look on his face when the reporter told him that he had won. He knows that brexit is bad for Britain but he cares more about his place in History. Bozo knows all the lies he told about the EU. Pity the brexiteers didn't.
14/12/2020 20:26:21 0 1
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Is this a left wing anti BREXIT sheet by the BBC again?
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14/12/2020 11:54:48 20 16
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How many extra miles can they find? We've become a laughing stock. How long will it take Boris and the other donkeys to realise that you cannot have your cake and eat it when the other side holds all the cards?
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14/12/2020 12:01:00 5 5
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Why is only the UK a laughing stock if both parties are going the extra mile?
If the EU held all the cards as you say then they would have walked away fully a long time ago.
Stop making things up.
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14/12/2020 12:02:45 0 2
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So in other words, you would just give up. Not constructive really.
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14/12/2020 11:48:34 286 489
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You voted for this.
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14/12/2020 11:54:54 169 39
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I don't think anyone voted for this, in fact no one knew what brexit we would have because it was never identified on the ballot. We should have just assumed it was going to be the worst possible kind given who was in charge
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Dee
14/12/2020 12:01:23 91 86
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The vote was staying in or leaving the EU. We've had a referendum and two general elections where the vote has gone to the latter. What form Brexit will take, no one knows, but if the EU politicians are so unconcerned about us leaving without a deal, they wouldn't care so much about level playing fields and fish.
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14/12/2020 11:48:09 441 184
bbc
But, as things stand, there is no mandate for no deal. And no amount of flag-waving about fish will change that. I wonder what the Tories would've chosen as the totemic issue if Thatcher had managed to completely destroy the fishing industry in the 1980s? I guess they'd be banging on about our plucky winemakers, or some other minuscule part of the economy, while letting car factories fall silent.
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14/12/2020 11:54:57 24 38
bbc
There's no mandate for a particular deal either. If one doesn't emerge, well, that's the Brexit people voted for.
14/12/2020 13:11:54 4 2
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Yeah, it was remain vs a blank cheque, where all things were promised to all people. It's been impossible to sort out because there's only minority support for any single course of action.
14/12/2020 14:40:31 0 4
bbc
You may have voted for it, I most certainly did not, and neither, I would suggest, did the majority of the voters.
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14/12/2020 11:55:00 31 9
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looks like mr barnier could make a mile
not sure about doris and mr frost
14/12/2020 13:44:33 12 3
bbc
Johnson and Frost, both part of the UK'S obesity crisis.
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14/12/2020 11:55:01 29 5
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Hugh Pugh 11:53
It's too late now. This is just a blame-avoiding exercise.

##

Not at all, a deal will be done.

The hard part will be the window dressing for the respective audiences.
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14/12/2020 12:04:42 7 2
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I hope you are right - I used to think that as well, but both sides are too far apart and there is too much at stake to give anything else away.

It's more likely now we'll just have to weather the disruption, work out what direction we want to go and what we want from our EU neighbours and work towards that with singleminded purpose. At least we won't have a deadline and a ticking clock any more.
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14/12/2020 11:50:35 652 256
bbc
I see the latest bandwagon for Brexiters is that tariffs on imports will pay for Covid & 'no deal'! This is economic lunacy in any time, but right now is closer to economic suicide, especially for manufacturing & farming!??
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14/12/2020 11:55:13 419 171
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Yes that is quite the most stupid statement ever from the brexiters...
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14/12/2020 12:03:41 40 6
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Yes, and that is whilst being up against some serious competition in the "stupidest comments" category!
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14/12/2020 12:09:10 37 10
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They arent the brightest
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14/12/2020 12:21:43 3 24
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What is good is that tariffs paid which once went to the EU now come to the UK ... and lots and lots of things have tariffs on them if you are in the EU.
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14/12/2020 12:27:11 4 3
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and there have been many
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14/12/2020 12:39:46 5 26
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Last year we had an election, with 2 parties dedicated to cancelling Brexit. You had your chance to vote for them. What happened?

The new party sank without a trace, so that I can't remember what they were called. The old Liberal party lost half of its seats. That was your chance for change, you did not vote for them. So shut up and get behind the UK.
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ET
14/12/2020 12:42:26 2 3
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Wow. That’s some claim. After all, their stupid statements make up most of the Top 100 of stupidest of all time. They haven’t yet beaten Neville Chamberlain’s peace in our time yet, but they’re getting closer.
14/12/2020 13:00:40 4 10
bbc
The problem with pointing out the most stupid statement from a remainer is, another one comes along before you've had time to point the previous one out.
TC
14/12/2020 13:14:37 1 8
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And my if that is true there has being 10 stupid statements form the remainers. All blown out of the water.
14/12/2020 13:46:47 0 5
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you mean your fellow UK citizens , can you not get over this sniping and start thinking positively as a country other wise you really will find yourself in a them and us situation with all the serious negatives that go with such a scenario .
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MVP
14/12/2020 11:55:25 11 11
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The only sensible option is to extend the Transition Period

Four and a half years after the referendum and we are no closer to agreeing on a deal.
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14/12/2020 11:56:53 4 7
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Who says we have to have a deal ?

Some of us voted to leave without a deal.
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14/12/2020 11:58:22 0 0
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EU deals typically take about 10-20 years so we're not doing too bad
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14/12/2020 11:59:31 0 1
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Why extend it? So the remainers in the establishment can continue to try and prevent leaving.
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14/12/2020 12:00:33 0 2
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Na thanks , no deal and the severing of the EU shackles will do just nicely...
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14/12/2020 11:55:27 10 10
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I left the UK 8 months ago for the EU - I've been through so many bags of popcorn already.

This show is good! Can't wait to watch the apocalypse in January! :D
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14/12/2020 11:57:26 2 9
bbc
typical momentum supporting self loather
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14/12/2020 11:57:38 1 4
bbc
Yes, you'll be able to tell us first hand how the EU apocalypse is going.
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14/12/2020 11:58:55 1 6
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Your very welcome ????????, glad you've left
Wonder were the EU's £9billions coming from ??????????????
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14/12/2020 12:02:39 0 2
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Bwahahaaaa

You’ll be waiting a very, very long time.
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14/12/2020 12:09:31 2 0
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You're so lucky, I've not had the energy to make that move yet but will probably be forced abroad when there's no food in the shops and rioting on the streets as the country falls in to chaos
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14/12/2020 11:55:42 12 9
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Deal or no deal we'll not get as good a deal as we had when we were a member of the EU.

If we end up with no deal due to a rounding error in terms of UK GDP, i.e. fishing, then we lose - no matter if the few fisherfolk "win" (until they try to sell their catch that is).

Is Boris prepared to jump off the cliff? If it only affected him I wouldn't care what he did. It's not just him though.
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DG
14/12/2020 11:50:41 6 17
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Hopefully Macron accepts that our fish are not on the table. If he does this, we can move forward with further discussions
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14/12/2020 11:55:46 4 1
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The fish are a side show. If we fail to agree because of fish, 0.3% of the economy, then we are crackers.
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14/12/2020 12:24:43 1 1
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Not 0.3%, it's 0.02%.....

ie nothing.
14/12/2020 21:57:54 0 0
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Our Fishing Industry is so small now because it's been gutted by the EU, deliberately. We now have the chance to rebuild it. Meanwhile the EU boats that fish our waters will do so with licences issued by the UK, to our benefit not the EUs.
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14/12/2020 11:54:03 6 11
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The negotiations have been going on people say there is no mandate for non deal yet December elect shows there is. Tories campaigned on get Brexit done won a 80 seat majority pro remain Lib Dem’s wiped out sit on the fence labour embarrassed. So please stop saying there is no mandate for Brexit let’s just get on with it
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CH
14/12/2020 11:55:48 6 2
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The Tories campaigned on getting a deal...
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14/12/2020 11:54:18 9 21
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Come on Boris Johnson, you can do this, you are doing a great job, on Brexit and covid
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14/12/2020 11:55:51 9 4
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That has to be a joke! Or you work for Tory central office.
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14/12/2020 11:47:38 25 34
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Respect our Sovereignty
Or expect a No Deal

Over to you, E.U.
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DG
14/12/2020 11:56:07 3 5
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Totally agree. The EU want to show the other states that leaving the club comes with punishment. If they can't show that we have been punished, their fear is that others will want to leave
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14/12/2020 11:56:10 22 3
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Just keep talking and extending until a deal is reached.

A deal will be done at some point in the future so it's in nobodies interest to throw everything into chaos at a time like this.
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14/12/2020 12:01:03 7 1
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Agreed.
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14/12/2020 12:04:56 2 2
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But when 2022 ?
Perhaps a little reality of living with consequences of No deal for a year or so is what is needed to bring both sides to their senses.
Sign off on No deal now and keep relationships friendly but agree to come back in 1 year from now to try revive the deal.

I would suspect a huge public outcry will quash Brexiteers influence and force the government to sign a deal in the future
14/12/2020 15:28:56 1 0
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The deal on offer is exactly what we are experiencing now. So extend OR take the deal, makes no difference.
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14/12/2020 11:45:50 681 39
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These ‘Deadlines’ are becoming meaningless.

About as believable as a DFS sale
(Other furniture stores are also available)
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14/12/2020 11:56:16 78 212
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The fact that talks continue show we hold all the cards.

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14/12/2020 12:00:24 44 16
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Are you Ursula Von Der Leyean?
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14/12/2020 12:00:38 134 5
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Reality is the fact that talks carry on show no one really holds all the cards. Hopefully Boris will be looking out for the country, not just headlines in the Express.
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14/12/2020 12:02:25 78 10
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Utter rubbish to reach that conclusion. Not one party holds all the cards and we’re being blindsided by focussing on the EU, when the US and China are pulling the strings of the entire world, tech, wealth and health wise.
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14/12/2020 12:05:08 13 9
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If we really did the deal would have been done long ago.
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14/12/2020 12:12:45 12 3
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How do you reach that conclusion?
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14/12/2020 12:16:18 19 8
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Not true, as we'd have a favourable deal by now if it were true, but it does show that the talk (from people who understand nothing about how the world works, but have sat long enough in their coffee shop echo chambers to believe they do) regarding the EU being uninterested about what the UK does going forward was, of course, a complete lie.

They are very concerned. And rightly so.
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14/12/2020 12:16:23 34 19
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So the UK are dealing in cards (all low value) and the EU is dealing in facts in order to protect the (Margaret Thatcher's Government created) single market.

Sad that the UK put so much into, and got so much more out of the EU but most voted to leave on issues more to do with the Tory's divide and rule mantra and then many voted for the same party thinking that the have their interest at heart.
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14/12/2020 12:38:09 20 9
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Or that the EU are intelligent enough to understand the devastation of a no deal for everyone..........and we sadly don't
14/12/2020 12:50:06 3 4
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eh, how do you make that out, you inherently stupid person
14/12/2020 12:50:53 2 5
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and that the EU according to the BBC article on this site that has no HYS, made concessions to extend.
14/12/2020 12:52:44 11 5
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Or maybe it means that the EU isn't as evil as was claimed since 2016. Maybe Brexit was all just about foreigners and migrants.
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14/12/2020 11:49:46 356 112
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Seems like it's all going to plan. Johnson's on course for the lucrative after dinner speech circuit and an autobiography coming to a charity shop near you. Not so sure about the future for the rest of us though!
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14/12/2020 11:56:21 22 4
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No one wants to hear the clown speak.