Brexit trade talks: ‘Political will’ needed for deal, says Dominic Raab
13/12/2020 | news | politics | 2,272
Boris Johnson and his EU counterpart are due to make a decision on the future of talks shortly.
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Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
Unfortunately - Johnson
This is the Man who felt it appropriate to label the ventilator design Operation Last Gasp
So I feel that this rings true, from Diner with VDL: "He also made an embarrasising crack about Barnier being French and both the British & Germans knowing how difficult they can be. VDL made clear Barnier's madate from the EU was solid"
https://tinyurl.com/y676h8by
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VDL made clear Barnier's madate from the EU was solid"

Says it all doesn't it?
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13/12/2020 10:53:16 13 17
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I wish people would just grow a spine and support the government in resisting the bully boy tactics of the EU. There will be many opportunities in a proper, clean Brexit. All those jobs we exported to the eastern end of the EU can be encouraged, by targeted tariffs, to relocate back home. And UK farmers can grow what we need rather than rely on exports to the EU.
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13/12/2020 10:51:34 13 12
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Roll on next weeks deadline!!
We walked out of the greatest trading market the world has ever seen, located on our doorstep, all because Johnson the sly opportunist wanted to be PM he back stabbed Cameron then wrapped Brexit in a St George cross , gave a dog whistle to xenophobic and racist views , the extreme right of the Tory Party , UKIP sanitized racists , EDL , BNP and jeez .. the Catholic hating DUP coalition Jesus wept Removed
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Why is there yet another HYS on Brexit. We get 2 a day with the same arguments for and against. Let's have an HYS on Players taking the knee or Labour complaining about the use of the word Empire in honours.
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Over ready turd awaits
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13/12/2020 10:56:48 5 14
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NO DEAL!!

WTO NOW!!

SMASH THE CHAINS!!

PROSPER UK!!
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13/12/2020 10:52:43 83 47
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No Deal = moronic

If No Deal happens, there will be a Winter Of Discontent and riots.

Oh well.
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13/12/2020 10:52:38 158 56
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Stupid, antiquated, backward little country ours led by chancers and incompetents.
Sheep led by clowns.
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13/12/2020 10:52:05 45 63
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30 million people couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016. If the 16 million who *did* vote against it in 2016 had voted Lib Dem in the 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. They are the ones to blame. And Remainers are supposed to be the clever ones.
Well your first line proves you are an idiot because the vast majority of that 30 million were not eligible as they were underage Removed
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13/12/2020 11:04:02 5 7
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The level of defeatism in some of these posts truly makes me sick to the stomach -there may be some hard times but do the doubters really want to surrender the country to the likes of Macron & Merkel - get some BACKBONE
Get some common sense. Get some facts. Do some research. And stop behaving like a tin pot pale imitation of Churchill, with your stupid bellicose language. Removed
Brexiters and trumpers are the same category of people. They've lapped up the lies, can't accept the facts and believe in semi fascist lies , fueled on patriotism and outside forces destroying their country. Removed
Your just anti anyone who does not agree with you

More facist than the fascists hmmm ?
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13/12/2020 11:11:25 0 1
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Utter twaddle. Grow up, princess.
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You mean they don't live in cities with subsidised travel and housing costs?
Brexiters and trumpers are the same category of people. They've lapped up the lies, can't accept the facts and believe in semi fascist lies , fueled on patriotism and outside forces destroying their country. Removed
Your just anti anyone who does not agree with you

More facist than the fascists hmmm ?
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13/12/2020 10:58:39 150 48
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Couldn't agree more. Suddenly the real reasons for Brexit are displayed and it has nothing to do with migration of people. It was just the polemic needed to get it done of course.
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When leave supporters have lost their jobs and struggling to put food on the table, I’m sure they can sleep well at night knowing that Rees Mogg and Arran Banks are paying far less tax.

After all, that’s what this is all about isn’t it.
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Stupid, antiquated, backward little country ours led by chancers and incompetents.
Sheep led by clowns.
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13/12/2020 11:17:41 2 8
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Do people that voted Remain think the EU is going to treat them differently than the ones that voted Brexit.
What part of WE ARE ALL heading towards a No Deal car crash is it you don't understand
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13/12/2020 11:16:08 14 9
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Milliband was just an hysterical girl on Marr this morning spouting the usual labour "race to the bottom " nonsense again. Wouldn't answer the question about labour position and suggested sovereignty was worth surrendering to appease the Eu for a deal.

No wonder they're, and Milliband are in the long grass
When will the UK realise that the country only prospers under a Tory Rule. They let people buy their own homes, they win wars, it's time to print the patriotic peoples views. People who love this country are too busy working for a living instead of moaning and want a free ride at the expense of the hard working public. stop living on hand outs get back to work.lets get this country GREAT AGAIN. Removed
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13/12/2020 11:23:32 1 1
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Can only assume you are joking, or perhaps you don't/choose not to remember the Thatcher years' depression and recession, for example?
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I think you mean make this country GRATE again...
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The country never prospers under the Tories.
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This is absolute head-in -the-sand lack of understanding about the real world. Do you think the WTO has no rules? It has, and UK will be subject to them. No country can be "sovereign" if it wants to trade with someone else. The UK is walking away from its greatest, closest market - for nothing. We gain nothing, lose almost everything. You have been brainwashed by Johnson and the Daily Fail. Mugged
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I think I'm going to vomit.

You forget the Blair years. The last labor government that saved the banks from excesses allowed by previous Tory legislation. How's your final salary pension ? Don't have one, oh dear, thank your Tory betters.
When will the UK realise that the country only prospers under a Tory Rule. They let people buy their own homes, they win wars, it's time to print the patriotic peoples views. People who love this country are too busy working for a living instead of moaning and want a free ride at the expense of the hard working public. stop living on hand outs get back to work.lets get this country GREAT AGAIN. Removed
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It's time for a bit of honesty.
We've all been too polite to say so in case it upsets them but the truth is that people who voted for Brexit which was backed by the extreme right of the Tory party, UKIP the deodorised racists, the EDL and BNP fully odorised racists , DUP catholic hating bigots ....a coalition of the "Damned" in truth , are in fact enablers of racist and bigoted views being used
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I suspect your name tells us all we need to know about your communist views!!!
and that is why the "red wall" fell, providing this government with one of the largest majorities ever.
They must have all been racist as you say, and the anti-Democrat Swansong's damo-dream to revoke without so much as a remoaners ref won support.

Or alternatively, you are a completely deranged remoaner idiot? Yeah, the latter.
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ApparentlyToey Grandees are "furious" about a No deal Brexit. Nothing changes as a significant number of Tory Grandees backed Hitlers Germany in WW2. Sir Winston called them the Enemy within and dealt with them accordingly.
Ah, yes, along with Johnson's gun boat diplomacy, we have WW2 rhetoric. It's quite clear the "Enemy Within" are those who were whipped up by the same sort of narrow minded nationalism and xenophobia that persisted in the 1930s Germany to vote for Brexit, only this time Farage, Mogg and Gove wore black shirts. Removed
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Correct.
No deal is the best deal. Anything else is surrender.
If the french come for fish sink the boats and key the frogs swim home.
No surrender to the eu nazis
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Shame you're not old enough to have fought in the last war!
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I'm continually dismayed by lack of understanding shown by those who go on about 'oven ready' and 'easiest deal in history'. In context both were true and if the EU weren't intent on having to show that we were being punished for leaving we would have that trade deal on sensible terms (like all other trade deals) i.e. no regression, no ECJ and full control of waters.
Neither true. Both ill-informed. Easiest deal claim was based on us starting from an aligned point. Anyone but a total idiot should have realised divergence from alignment makes things HARDER, not easier. As for oven ready, don't tell me you believe the lie about this just being the WA.https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/boris-johnson-oven-ready-brexit-deal-6631776 Removed
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Become a national HERO today Boris

No more delays, there isn't time left now anyway for any deal to be done
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This mess was created by and wholly owned by the right wing.

Brexit was a tory construct, jumped on by the rabid far right like Farage, their lies sucked up by nationalist little england types who jumped to the tune of rule Britannia and its all the fault of those damn immigans.

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Perhaps this has driven the point home to Remainers that if you want something to happen politically, get off your fat arse and vote! Removed
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And miss out on this fun?

Watching geniuses at work!
13/12/2020 11:36:45 0 0
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Leave UK more like.
EU estimates 700 000 job loses because if brexit. UK is a small fraction of EU trade. EU is 50% of British trade. How many job loses is acceptable for brexiteers ixdxixoxtxs? 2 000 000 ? 3 000 000 ? Independence have no price? I would estimate 50 years of misery for Britain. Removed
Don’t bother the nationalists with facts, it will only confuse them Removed
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As UK trade including finance is 12% of GDP I think you are getting a bit over excited.
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EU estimates

Lol
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Why is there yet another HYS on Brexit. We get 2 a day with the same arguments for and against. Let's have an HYS on Players taking the knee or Labour complaining about the use of the word Empire in honours.
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It's time for a bit of honesty.
We've all been too polite to say so in case it upsets them but the truth is that people who voted for Brexit which was backed by the extreme right of the Tory party, UKIP the deodorised racists, the EDL and BNP fully odorised racists , DUP catholic hating bigots ....a coalition of the "Damned" in truth , are in fact enablers of racist and bigoted views being used
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and that is why the "red wall" fell, providing this government with one of the largest majorities ever.
They must have all been racist as you say, and the anti-Democrat Swansong's damo-dream to revoke without so much as a remoaners ref won support.

Or alternatively, you are a completely deranged remoaner idiot? Yeah, the latter.
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EU estimates 700 000 job loses because if brexit. UK is a small fraction of EU trade. EU is 50% of British trade. How many job loses is acceptable for brexiteers ixdxixoxtxs? 2 000 000 ? 3 000 000 ? Independence have no price? I would estimate 50 years of misery for Britain. Removed
Don’t bother the nationalists with facts, it will only confuse them Removed
Yeah, the EU needs to get some political will to give us exactly what we want because we are white and beat them all in a war 75 years ago when we saved them from right-wing, racist, communist-haters. Removed
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UK is a diverse racial mix ... its why we ditched FOM with is primarily allowing white Europeans to move around Europe to one of a fair immigration system for the world.

UK welcomes everyone ... just have something to contribute and a job offer so you don't end up on the streets and we can't deport you due to EU laws on human rights.

Have a great day
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Trump's haven't. ??
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The problem is, that the politicians involved are only in it for themselves and their friends, the electorate are merely pawns, who are the one who will end up paying for it
13/12/2020 11:34:32 13 10
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You are a turkey who voted for Christmas and will no doubt go to your grave, still thinking you were right to vote leave.
You have ruined the UK, devalued your kids and grand kids' passport and rights, taken away their European Citizenship, confined their world to a small and expensive, over crowded island.
The future you ruined was theirs, not yours.
Thanks a bunch.
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We do know that President Macron has an election coming up in France. He has created waves in some strong and forceful speeches for the French audience to make him more popular with the French voters.

Exactly so expect French jingoism highlighting famous military victories ................... oh hang on.......1066
Wow, just wow. This really is the level of intellect that is behind Brexit - 1066... This is 2020, and we are committing national suicide to rabble rousing jingoistic rhetoric. Putin would be proud. Removed
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I'm afraid it is true the tories will now have to step down or our government will become cross parties now. That is the future and very soon, huge changes coming from 21st Dec onwards.
"I'm afraid" you are talking out your bum

1. They don't have to "step down", they are doing what the people of UK voted them in to do - by a huge majority
2. They won't step down because of a loser on the BBC remoaner HYS echo-chamber thinks they will

Tick tock tick tock
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Totally agree
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Don't be bullied by them! Stick to your guns!

No, I'm not a Boris fan but a fan of freedom from subservience!
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The remoaners are out in force today, the BBC is the public paid mouth piece for the EU. The EU has ruined country after country to satisfy Germany's need for power. If you can't see that then shame on you.
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The EU are still in shock that we have held firm against their demands. Many EU senior politicians are now beginning to panic.
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The EU starting to understand what sovereignty means.
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"Sorry there was a problem please try again" seems to come up if I post something critical of Labour.
If government is legitimately held up to account, so too should oppositions, it feels like some censorship and bias is directing the HYS policy.
I voted Labour 2017, Conservative 2019. I feel I should hold either side to account when I think it is deserving, but problems come criticising Labour.
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This is why the bleating eu luvvies continually rant about lies coming from the UK, they are desperately trying to deflect from the obvious never ending lies and delay tactics, coming from their glorious Rich, White, Christian and blatantly bigoted so called leaders. They're nothing but a bunch of untrustworthy toerags. Removed
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Oh dear, I think you need to detoxify from your cult??
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You’ll have a heart attach, calm down!
Arrrr such a shame now the students will have to work for a living instead of going to a useless uni to learn a soft easy degree
That is of no use to
Anyone. The students have ruined their own lives, stop blaming other and get to work
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Like you say Good riddance to bad rubbish like the EU
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BBC harping on about wanting a deal. NO the majority of the country voted to leave and that was with NO deal, so we are happy this is happening and it’s want the vast majority want. now get used to it and work with it or leave
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You are a turkey who voted for Christmas and will no doubt go to your grave, still thinking you were right to vote leave.
You have ruined the UK, devalued your kids and grand kids' passport and rights, taken away their European Citizenship, confined their world to a small and expensive, over crowded island.
The future you ruined was theirs, not yours.
Thanks a bunch.
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No amount of moaning is going to alter anything said on here but did anyone see Ed Miliband on Andrew Marr this morning either just back from a nice time in the sun or incandescent even before Andrew took him apart, as usual pre-empting anything to distract from showing the EU we mean to get on with life with or without them, shambolic embarrassment to Labour just turning over old well worn ground
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You are a turkey who voted for Christmas and will no doubt go to your grave, still thinking you were right to vote leave.
You have ruined the UK, devalued your kids and grand kids' passport and rights, taken away their European Citizenship, confined their world to a small and expensive, over crowded island.
The future you ruined was theirs, not yours.
Thanks a bunch.
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Why, did they sack Doris for confusing the toaster with the kettle?
We shoved the Nazi rightwing in 45 - need to cleanse England now :) Removed
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Some remainders can stay surely ? ??
13/12/2020 11:41:38 8 4
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Decision day!!

They are now saying the probability of us leaving without a deal is as high as 80%

What do you think it means if the Government announce we are to leave without a deal ? What could you do about it? " The answer to that part is Not a lot! " No more than there was anything you could do about Brexit when it was announced earlier this year.
Looks like a WTO exit to me Turkeys
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Boris has messed up over the Covid lies ,soft touch on migrant boats but if he takes us out on no deal he will restore a lot of good faith from those who voted for him.
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Surprise surprise...the EU say the trade talks will be extended
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Well there is a genuine deadline on the 31/12/2020.
It is in UK law that transition will not be extended beyond this point.
So until that is changed we shall see.
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Boris and Ursula Von Runstedt have just announced they are eloping to Gretna Green
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Do you believe what you've just tryped?
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Welcome to the daily BBC anti Brexit article

Don't they realise the people voted to leave.
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Will Brexit even stop migration of people?

Cos there's no hard border between the EU and Ireland. Not hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. And no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK!

Seems like we damaged ourselves financially so we could 'take back our borders'. Only to leave a wide open back door into the country anyway.....
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Clarke on Friday, Patten on Saturday, Hesaltine on Sunday. Good old balance debate from the BBC.
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Who are the clowns who voted for BJ to be the leader decider for a UK' s trade deal with EU? Had they any idea of his background?
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Calm down.... it is not your fault that Arsenal do not field the best team in the league right now......
13/12/2020 11:59:56 4 11
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The EU are spiteful and nasty and never want to see us do better.
Walk away No Deal we have suffered for forty year we don't have a single car manufacturer to our name anymore all owned by France and Germany ! Only Honda and Toyota truely Japanese, Jaguar -Tata, Aston-Martin 20% german 80% American! Fishing destroyed , Farming destroyed. Steel destroyed. We don't even produce our own syringes !
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55277736

A permanent EU presence in the north of Ireland, telling the UK what to check, a nice new border & customs declarations required for traders in Britain selling to someone in Belfast lol.

On the run lol
13/12/2020 12:08:12 1 1
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Really? So why does he bother still talking?

He is looking for a fridge.
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born in Belgium
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What a disgrace and typifies the little englanders pathetic childish attitudes
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I gave up on the "British" bit a while back. I am English - but do not support this stupidity at all.
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Just laugh at it and then ponder where our education system went wrong.
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Do we remember Ted Heath as the PM, sailor, conductor or the person who gave UK fishing away ... ?
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More like Tory mythology
No. It's plain old fascism. The ERG (Extreme Right Group) are English Nazis. Removed
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I’m sure the Trade Unions will be saddened to know that remainers think it was the EU who gave the workers certain rights and privileges, and not their members who fought in the workplace. Not only Union members benefited from their struggle, but also non members, who now think it was magically given them by malevolent employers.