Brexit trade talks: ‘Political will’ needed for deal, says Dominic Raab
13/12/2020 | news | politics | 2,272
Boris Johnson and his EU counterpart are due to make a decision on the future of talks shortly.
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Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
Unfortunately - Johnson
This is the Man who felt it appropriate to label the ventilator design Operation Last Gasp
So I feel that this rings true, from Diner with VDL: "He also made an embarrasising crack about Barnier being French and both the British & Germans knowing how difficult they can be. VDL made clear Barnier's madate from the EU was solid"
https://tinyurl.com/y676h8by
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RPH
13/12/2020 10:48:18 46 14
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And yet still the country's brainless will go on chanting "Blue passports!"
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13/12/2020 10:49:50 10 26
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Some 40 billion. Isn't that about the same amount we still owe the EU under the terms of the WA?
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13/12/2020 10:51:02 14 25
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It would help if British goods were bought - I have noticed most of our ambulances seem to be on on french or italian chassis's - what about using our own from the firm just off the M1 in Luton
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13/12/2020 10:53:24 7 27
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They must have a very good crystal ball.
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13/12/2020 10:54:27 12 41
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So 2% less productivity would mean disaster, but 3% less would scare us into wanting to get back into the jail?
Project Fear still lives.
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13/12/2020 10:57:55 30 7
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If only it could be guaranteed that the 300,000 all voted for Brexit.
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13/12/2020 10:58:58 6 8
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This only matters if you believe that economic considerations were the main driving force behind the Leave vote
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13/12/2020 11:02:05 5 6
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are these the same people who predicted that if we voted to leave there would immediately be 500,000 unemployed and there would have to be an emergency budget. that did not happen either
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13/12/2020 11:01:56 2 2
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Like the Obr have ever predicted anything accurately??
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13/12/2020 11:05:38 3 6
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The last day of project fear hopefully

Let's leave with no deal today

And in a years time please repost the ludicrous forecasts for us all to ridicule
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13/12/2020 11:06:01 2 2
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but we retain the sovereignty of our own waters. We don't eat fish and won't be able to sell it to the UK anyway but who cares
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13/12/2020 11:13:13 3 4
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More scare tatics and false news. They claim the same if we voted tp leave. Wr are out get over it
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13/12/2020 11:25:40 2 3
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Sometimes the short term pain is worth it for the long term benefit. If someone is being bullied the easy option is to cower down and try not to be noticed, but if you stand up and do something about it the longer term can be much better. we don't accept bullying in personal life why should we as a nation.
13/12/2020 11:36:41 0 0
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Correction after a no deal brexit $53m will be £100m perhaps
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13/12/2020 10:46:22 30 35
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Sovereignty first, then talk trade.
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13/12/2020 10:48:05 12 4
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we all knew that years ago, why wasn't it discussed then
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13/12/2020 10:48:16 10 7
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Feed your kids with Sovereignty
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13/12/2020 10:51:56 8 7
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sums up the Brexit mentality
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13/12/2020 10:52:43 7 8
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We have always been sovereign so has every other member of the EU who will continue to be so. They cooperate in the mutual interest something that the UK had failed to grasp. The UK always always saw it as a trading arrangement nothing more. And they are about to throw that away. Utter stupidity.

Tell me does s Frenchman feel less French, a German less German. Of course not. Silly imperialists.
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13/12/2020 10:53:42 8 6
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There is no such thing as pure sovereignty- unless you don’t want to trade with anyone.

Of all the lies told by the Brexit establishment elite, the one about Brexit being about ‘sovereignty’ is the most pernicious and damaging of all.
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13/12/2020 10:55:07 5 5
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A mindless soundbite first, then.......
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13/12/2020 10:46:33 16 13
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As a company you should prepare for Brexit, deal or no deal. Be an authorised consignor would greatly help = your goods flow through Kent
13/12/2020 12:01:48 0 0
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and any responsible company will have already done this.prepare for the worst,hope for the best outcome.
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13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
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Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
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13/12/2020 10:50:36 10 4
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Afraid it's not remainder laziness. If you check the map in England/Wales it was all blue. The remain support in London and Scotland is not enough.
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13/12/2020 10:50:41 5 5
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If your Aunt had been a man, she’d have been your Uncle.
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13/12/2020 10:51:51 5 3
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Why would I have voted Labour? Corbyn was a terrible leader. Spent most the time sitting on the fence on brexit and evading the issue. A vote for Labour was a blind vote in the dark on to many issues. Probably the only time in my life I will ever vote against Labour.
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13/12/2020 10:52:29 8 6
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No way! Leavers own this. Johnson owns this mess. Certain lying news rags own this mess.
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13/12/2020 10:54:21 9 5
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Comic - your mess. You won. Own it. Responsibility is never high on the list of personal attributes of leavers is it? Just blame everyone and everything else
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13/12/2020 10:54:28 9 5
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Those who voted LEAVE need to own it.
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13/12/2020 10:47:12 13 15
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Johnson is the Northern part of a Southbound horse
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13/12/2020 10:49:39 8 3
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Wow, that's a constructive comment to add to the debate, isn't it?
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13/12/2020 10:51:31 1 1
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Name calling is all you have!
Must be a remainer!
Looking forward to 1.1.21
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13/12/2020 10:45:29 168 42
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Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
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Unfortunately - Johnson
This is the Man who felt it appropriate to label the ventilator design Operation Last Gasp
So I feel that this rings true, from Diner with VDL: "He also made an embarrasising crack about Barnier being French and both the British & Germans knowing how difficult they can be. VDL made clear Barnier's madate from the EU was solid"
https://tinyurl.com/y676h8by
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13/12/2020 10:55:32 5 3
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VDL made clear Barnier's madate from the EU was solid"

Says it all doesn't it?
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gjb
13/12/2020 10:47:44 341 80
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The problem is, that the politicians involved are only in it for themselves and their friends, the electorate are merely pawns, who are the one who will end up paying for it
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13/12/2020 10:58:39 150 48
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Couldn't agree more. Suddenly the real reasons for Brexit are displayed and it has nothing to do with migration of people. It was just the polemic needed to get it done of course.
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13/12/2020 11:02:04 21 8
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That has been exactly the same from EVERY government whether Tory, Labour or coalition of the lot of them throughout my entire life (I am 68 years of age)
You only need to go back a couple of years to the expenses scandal to confirm how they are all sticking their long noses in the trough
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13/12/2020 11:11:08 15 41
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I assume you mean the European politicians.
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13/12/2020 11:16:17 29 9
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Spot on. The clown has backed himself into a corner; Brino or no deal. Both are worse than what we had, but the impact of no deal on top of covid will be not far off the US depression in the 30's... Current tories are very toxic and need to be purged.
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Ian
13/12/2020 11:16:26 20 8
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?????? An oven-ready Turkey from a clown ?? and his merry party members ??

Merry Christmas! ??????
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13/12/2020 11:19:41 6 15
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ApparentlyToey Grandees are "furious" about a No deal Brexit. Nothing changes as a significant number of Tory Grandees backed Hitlers Germany in WW2. Sir Winston called them the Enemy within and dealt with them accordingly.
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13/12/2020 11:20:45 5 7
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Main problem is that both sides have different ideas of what no deal means and what Brexit means.

Admittedly it's harder for EU to be flexible in negotiations due to the fact they are representing 27 countries and too many interests while keeping too many countries happy who have completely different policies.

This doesn't mean though that UK should bend over for them.
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13/12/2020 11:20:59 4 8
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Whatever a government decides we all pay for it unless you are a taker, the ill and infirmed a given the scroungers a different story however it is ONE BOAT.

This government will do it's best to give Britain what it voted for where possible but it is a 2 way deal.

Too weak from Brussels means others will soon follow for it has no longer got credibility as Covid as shown.
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13/12/2020 11:21:56 11 4
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This has always plainly been the case. People who regard themselves as having a right to power due to their wealth and upbringing and privilege, did not like to see the EU taking some of what they saw as rightfully their power away. Equality is not in their best interests, and the EU represents a fairer more equal society.
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13/12/2020 11:25:18 5 8
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EU find it hard to negotiate and UK refuse to completely bend over for them.

No deal ensues which isn't great for either side but better than a bad deal.

Far right cheer nearly as loudly as all the remainers who would rather it go badly then do well, rather feeling vindicated (despite EU being at least as responsible for this situation) than see UK do well.

Shame.
13/12/2020 11:39:08 0 8
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An Supra National Organisation which threatens the member states that wish to leave isn't a Union it's a STALAG Prisoner of War Camp. So very very German/So USSR. I heard that the EU will now enact Legislation making Leaving the EU - Illegal. These continentals arn't EU citizens they are Prisoners in my opinion.
13/12/2020 11:39:31 1 0
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That was the electorate did chose to back them more fool the electorate, Sad thing they will fall for it again
13/12/2020 11:42:32 3 0
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What I find intriguing is the number of posters who bemoan lockdowns as damaging the economy. Yet in the next breath support the charade that is Brexit and the damage that is and will continue to cause.
13/12/2020 11:44:07 0 1
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What a stupid thing to say.
285 stupid upvotes.
13/12/2020 11:44:30 0 1
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Lots of thumbs up, what a load of rubbish.
13/12/2020 11:45:58 1 0
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The blame game has already started and surprise, surprise, it's the fault of the EU, according to Raab. We have left the club, but theEU doesn't want to share the cake with us any more....
13/12/2020 11:46:18 1 0
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Yup, the majority of the public want a deal, it's the politicians preventing it
13/12/2020 11:48:22 0 1
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And of course the so called experts who predict doom and gloom have no self interest at all.

None of them are 'gravy-train' politicians looking for a coveted EU pension in the future. None of them are economists hoping against hope they can still get their £million annual bonuses. None of them are business leaders afraid of competing in the big world and crying about the loss of easy profits.
13/12/2020 11:58:35 0 0
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Over the centuries & decades, politicians have realised the the electorate tends to vote for what it wants to hear, rather than what can or needs to be done. Consequently most successful politicians are liars, but we get what WE vote for.
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13/12/2020 10:46:22 30 35
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Sovereignty first, then talk trade.
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13/12/2020 10:48:05 12 4
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we all knew that years ago, why wasn't it discussed then
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13/12/2020 10:48:07 314 103
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At least European politicians are truthful when they say workers on both sides will suffer in the event of no deal, all you here from our side is that all will be milk & honey deal or no deal for UK workers. Does anyone actually believe the UK politicians.
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13/12/2020 10:50:32 114 214
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Do you believe what you've just tryped?
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13/12/2020 10:53:07 16 9
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No - I'd jail them.
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13/12/2020 10:54:18 21 39
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European politicians are no more truthful than UK. Wake up you must have voted remain.
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13/12/2020 11:09:08 29 10
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NO! BJ and co. have lied from the beginning and will carry on doing so. It is BJs modus operandi. Starting with straight bananas, etc ad nauseam.
The suckers fell for it, egged on by the Tory press.
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13/12/2020 11:09:20 10 25
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European politicians are truthful? I don't know whether to feel sorry for you in your delusion or jealous that you live a life in a fairy tale land with unicorns and fairy's.
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13/12/2020 11:09:35 9 25
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European politicians truthful? Lol what a drone.
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13/12/2020 11:09:45 3 31
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More lies Britain will be sovereign and free. A WTO exit lis what we want
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13/12/2020 11:15:33 8 21
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It’s unbelievable that anyone could fathom any opinion that gives the remotest bit of respect to Macron, Merkle or any EU negotiator. I’ve got a lot of respect for certain EU countries who haven’t used this as a opportunity to maximise their own gains (eg Spain re Gibraltar). However anyone who doesn’t believe France, Germany and Brussels have set out to punish us is truly deluded.
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13/12/2020 11:16:20 3 5
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brainwashed
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13/12/2020 11:23:31 2 8
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I wager in another time you would have backed Hitlers Germany.
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13/12/2020 11:27:24 1 9
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Utterly unfounded nonsense.. Both sides have been less than 100% truthful. Let's be clear on this. The point is, how to get a deal which works for both sides. The EU have every bit as much to lose both economically and socially speaking - economically more in fact.
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13/12/2020 11:28:27 5 1
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Does anyone actually believe the UK politicians? Only the gullible and no doubt the penny will have dropped for most of them by now.
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13/12/2020 11:28:54 1 7
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European politicians are Liars. They lied to Greece during the financial crisis and They deliberately forced Greeks to accept EU loans on such Evil German terms that after receiving those loans Greek debt more than tripled. Oh yes VW charged extra for "clean VW diesel technogy" which was actually polluting our air for decades.
13/12/2020 11:31:03 0 0
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European politician lie through their teeth.
13/12/2020 11:40:25 0 2
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Well that's a daft comment ofcourse people are going to suffer with no deal, but we would suffer more long term with the kind of deal they are proposing in fact we would not ever get on our feet !!!
13/12/2020 11:42:19 3 0
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Certainly can’t trust a word Boris says. Pretty much every neutral would recognise that.
13/12/2020 11:52:48 0 0
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If European politicians believe both sides will suffer in the event of no deal, that makes them criminally negligent for not offering a deal except on the most unreasonable and punitive terms.

Who wants a leader who says "well, I don't care how much you suffer so long as the other side suffers more"? Those WWI generals spring to mind - lions led by donkeys indeed.
13/12/2020 12:00:41 0 0
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Since the EEG EU Euros all workers rights have been lost not only the UK but all over the EU .Flex work zero hours contracts no rights or pension build up just working as disposable items .Modern slave trade in workers from cheaper countries slaves that work for rates that no UK worker can live on .Employers pay rate far less than the normall rate for UK workers with no obliegations .
13/12/2020 12:03:11 0 0
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The workers standards EU claim is the same lie as 'oven ready' meaning trade deal. EU workers standards mirror UK not vice versa. Oven ready (BBC fact checked - at last) referred to WA.
13/12/2020 12:04:23 0 0
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Stupid is as stupid voted.
13/12/2020 12:05:10 0 0
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Delusional.
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13/12/2020 10:48:15 25 36
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Leave with No Deal now first... we'll talk later after we've taken everything back first
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13/12/2020 10:50:02 19 9
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Leave with No Deal first.... and watch a number of key UK sectors fall into ruin. Yeah, what a great strategy. I guess your job isn't under threat. You're alright, Jack.
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13/12/2020 10:53:33 1 3
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Taken WHAT back in any practical terms that will actually provide the people of the UK with a better future?
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13/12/2020 10:54:14 0 3
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says Gary Tank Commander
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13/12/2020 10:57:06 0 2
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You got Nottingham take back, you had it all the time ..ya wally..
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13/12/2020 11:15:48 0 1
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By the time the idiot Tories realise they've f*****d up it'll be too late, the car industry will be planning if not already moved and the banks will have new homes in Paris or Stuttgart and they won't be coming back
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13/12/2020 10:46:22 30 35
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Sovereignty first, then talk trade.
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13/12/2020 10:48:16 10 7
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Feed your kids with Sovereignty
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13/12/2020 10:45:29 168 42
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Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
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RPH
13/12/2020 10:48:18 46 14
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And yet still the country's brainless will go on chanting "Blue passports!"
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Bob
13/12/2020 10:48:34 16 26
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Political Will, there's no money in that for the dictatorial EU
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13/12/2020 10:52:03 8 7
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Well, sure as hell isn't any money in WTO exit for the UK. But you must realise that.... don't you? ??
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13/12/2020 10:52:45 5 3
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It's not the EU that's the problem.
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13/12/2020 10:48:51 128 52
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Well done, brexits. Hope you're looking forward to standing in line for your dole money.
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13/12/2020 10:52:05 45 63
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30 million people couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016. If the 16 million who *did* vote against it in 2016 had voted Lib Dem in the 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. They are the ones to blame. And Remainers are supposed to be the clever ones.
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13/12/2020 10:52:27 11 18
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And that's the elites view that brought about Brexit, well done. BTW I voted Brexit and have an above averagely paid professional job.
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13/12/2020 10:53:16 6 14
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Another idiotic comment a waste of skin
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13/12/2020 11:13:11 1 7
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Ahh well remainers hope your looking forward to standing in line at the airports for a passport stamp, before you start your South of France and Ski breaks lifestyle .
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13/12/2020 11:17:09 7 1
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Then waiting in line for food which will cost more assuming there is any to buy.
13/12/2020 11:49:37 2 1
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I voted remain, that doesn't mean I haven't accepted the vote. Time to move on and realise you live in a democracy - even if it was close.

Any deal will be different to what we have now so we are losing out regardless. We will never really know what the true offer on the table has been, even Miliband says that.

Lets hope they can get over the last minor points (97% agreed I heard).
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13/12/2020 10:49:27 16 11
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In all honesty they have secured a better deal than I expected.
The LPF provisions are voluntary and sectorial, and Britain can decide if its interests are best served by state aid intervention or retaining zero tariffs.
I am surprised he's not accepted it.
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13/12/2020 10:51:11 24 13
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I'm not. He is a demagogue, who specialises in bombast & jingoism. He doesn't do detail & strategy.
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13/12/2020 10:49:29 40 12
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Europe the final countdown? how many more times must we hear this is it no more talking getting heartily sick just make up your mind one way or another four and a half years you've had.
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13/12/2020 11:05:09 3 4
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I love that song, I have a copy on one of my rock compilations.

Oh
We're headin' for Venus (Venus)
And still we stand tall
'Cause maybe they've seen us
And welcome us all, yeah
With so many light years to go
And things to be found (to be found)
I'm sure that we all miss her so
It's the final countdown
The final countdown
The final countdown (final countdown)

I shall dig it out now.
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13/12/2020 11:22:47 0 0
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I know. But people still vote Tory.
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13/12/2020 10:47:12 13 15
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Johnson is the Northern part of a Southbound horse
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13/12/2020 10:49:39 8 3
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Wow, that's a constructive comment to add to the debate, isn't it?
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13/12/2020 11:28:20 0 0
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New to HYS aren't you.
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Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
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13/12/2020 10:49:50 10 26
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Some 40 billion. Isn't that about the same amount we still owe the EU under the terms of the WA?
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13/12/2020 10:59:33 3 2
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No
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13/12/2020 11:02:16 1 7
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Not quite, £33Bn npv (about £68Bn in actual terms but some of the payments are so far in the future they have little value today) was the total, but a lot of that was paid this year. The balance is about £26Bn, about half of which is due over the next 5 years, but each year is still less than we paid on aggregate (£9.44Bn) to be part of the club. 2% is 1/5 of what Covid has cost, we'll survive
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13/12/2020 11:05:33 5 5
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The OBR expects the bill to be an extra £40 billion PER YEAR, not a one-off settling-up.
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13/12/2020 11:19:46 1 0
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That's 40 billion a year, not a one-off payment.
13/12/2020 11:55:07 0 0
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Yep so £40bn to pay, £40bn lost economy, costs already over £200bn, sounds like a real uk winner. Boris and erg are clowns.
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13/12/2020 10:49:53 80 28
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Brexit = "Turned out shite again" ??
13/12/2020 11:34:10 16 1
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"Experience is an expensive school, but fools will learn in no other." Benjamin Franklin
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13/12/2020 10:49:54 37 41
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Boris is right we cannot sign up to a deal which allows the EU to alter the rules/regulations in years to come. Would any moaners here actually agree to sign up to a loan arrangement where your interest rate could sky rocket in future?
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13/12/2020 10:51:46 39 22
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If you believe his lies I feel sorry for you.
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13/12/2020 10:51:57 14 7
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Totally false analogy.
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13/12/2020 10:52:03 6 13
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they probably would if it meant they could keep sucking up to france and germany..
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13/12/2020 10:54:10 11 5
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Ever heard of a mortgage? Rates go up and down. Back in Maggie's time they went to 15%.
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13/12/2020 10:56:20 4 4
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Isn't that called a standard variable rate mortgage? You probably have if you THINK.
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13/12/2020 11:03:58 2 2
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Surely you meant to say 'allows EU to alter rules/regs in yrs to come & expect UK to follow them'. So kinda lucky EU isn't asking for that. They ARE asking for a mechanism, whereby the impact of divergence BY EITHER PARTY could be assessed relative to the integrity of SM & UK market. Not one-sided. Seem fair.

Loan arrangement where interest rate could rocket? Ever heard of a mortgage? ??
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13/12/2020 11:08:51 2 2
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Every business does exactly this. You have no guarantee that any business rate, loan rate or the rules and regulations on trading standards will stay the same.

Indeed for many UK businesses a sudden shift in the protection they have from cheap, lower standard imports is about to threaten them, chlorinated chicken being the popular example. In relative terms our cost base is about to sky rocket.
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13/12/2020 11:18:11 0 1
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Do you have a mortgage or credit card balance? If you do Hold on tight, it's going to get a bit bumpy.
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13/12/2020 10:49:55 9 15
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The Ursula can’t make it up as she goes along! Member States’ suvrintea innit?
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13/12/2020 10:51:28 12 9
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Yes, each member state IS concerned with THEIR sovereignty? Problem?
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13/12/2020 11:01:03 1 3
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VDL hasn't made anything up, petal. EU member states are sovereign but share decisions democratically in some limited areas. UK Gov has sold you a pup. Perfick 'suvrintea' isn't achievable in global trade & geopolitics. Every trade deal involves some ceding of sovereignty. Smaller party usually makes more concessions i.e. UK in negs with EU.
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13/12/2020 10:48:15 25 36
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Leave with No Deal now first... we'll talk later after we've taken everything back first
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13/12/2020 10:50:02 19 9
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Leave with No Deal first.... and watch a number of key UK sectors fall into ruin. Yeah, what a great strategy. I guess your job isn't under threat. You're alright, Jack.
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13/12/2020 10:50:18 18 16
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And I was counting on being able to gorge myself on chlorinated chicken and give our NHS away.
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13/12/2020 10:58:22 5 4
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And you may well be able to do just that. Or haven't you read US / UK Negotiating Objectives or about the removal of non-regression clauses from WA/PD. You know what regression means? 'Cos a lot of Brexiteers don't seem to.
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13/12/2020 10:50:18 156 38
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We're not talkin rational or national self interest here rather tory ideology
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13/12/2020 10:54:53 106 26
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More like Tory mythology
13/12/2020 11:58:15 1 0
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You elect a mini trump, you end up with mini trump ideas. Boris has proven to be a big Tory mistake for the uk. Gone soon though.
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13/12/2020 10:49:39 9 20
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Oh Look! ANOTHER HYS on Brexit! Obviously there’s nothing else going on in the world to talk about?
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13/12/2020 10:52:50 3 8
bbc
The BBC open it up all the time for anything brexit related, never for much else. Wonder why.
140
13/12/2020 10:56:31 0 1
bbc
Mentioning that other thing on HYS, is a bit like mentioning 'That Play' in a theatre.
149
13/12/2020 10:57:03 0 2
bbc
http://www.ihysdb.com/Home/News/Open
Perhaps do a bit more research, before posting ill-informed bile.
226
13/12/2020 11:00:33 1 2
bbc
The UK is on the brink of potentially one of the most disastrous decisions in its history today but there’s obviously much more important stuff to discuss !!
234
13/12/2020 11:00:56 0 2
bbc
What would you like to talk about? Covid?
408
13/12/2020 11:08:44 1 2
bbc
I think when a lunatic government is driving the nation of a cliff for its own ideological reasons, people need to vent their anger. History shows that ideological tyrannies don't end well. Just give it time.
461
13/12/2020 11:10:50 1 3
bbc
The BBC is part of the globalist cabal and their last hope is to stir up division to stop the UK escaping the CCP run NWO
26
13/12/2020 10:50:26 222 85
bbc
Brexit is and will remain an utterly pointless exercise.
227
13/12/2020 11:00:39 105 35
bbc
Surely there comes a point when the self-declared patriots who support leaving without a deal should ask themselves whether "owning the libs" – which seems to be the only thing Brexit has achieved – is worth destroying thousands of British businesses and causing hundreds of thousands of Britons to lose their jobs. Especially as it isn't Islington vegan cafes and Oxford professors that are at-risk.
229
13/12/2020 11:00:44 3 7
bbc
It’s particularly pointless if after we’ve left we sign up to a trade deal that keeps us tied to EU rules and regulations without having any say in making the rules and regulations
286
13/12/2020 11:00:49 4 11
bbc
No it won't.
773
BD
13/12/2020 11:22:22 4 1
bbc
Also, an extremely expensive one.
13/12/2020 11:38:07 1 2
bbc
Hey ho and away we go! Close the doors on the way out please... and thank you.
13/12/2020 11:43:13 4 1
bbc
My if you want to further erode workers rights it isn't. It's excellent for that.
13/12/2020 12:17:16 0 0
bbc
in self-harm.
27
13/12/2020 10:50:34 16 31
bbc
EU need to realise we are now a Sovereign country and live with it.
61
13/12/2020 10:52:35 10 1
bbc
That's why we have the power to reject their terms.

Our sovereignty doesn't mean they'll change their terms to suit us.
74
13/12/2020 10:53:26 5 2
bbc
Always been a sovereign country ta wally...
135
13/12/2020 10:56:12 5 2
bbc
They will. They're actually prepared. They are also much, much larger & can absorb the blow much, much better than Little Old Blighty.
340
13/12/2020 11:05:20 1 2
bbc
No "we" will have live with the consequences. It doesn't affect the EU27 citizens as badly. It screws Ireland a bit but then that's par forc the course for the UK. But at least Ireland will have the support of the largest Union in the world.
404
13/12/2020 11:08:21 2 2
bbc
We've always been sovereign you plonker just as all EU nations are.
548
13/12/2020 11:14:07 1 1
bbc
Frankie, we have always been sovereign. If we hadn't been the EU would not have allowed the Brexit vote.
668
13/12/2020 11:18:29 1 1
bbc
We were never anything else but a Sovereign country.
So were the other 27 members of the EU.
4
13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
bbc
Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
28
13/12/2020 10:50:36 10 4
bbc
Afraid it's not remainder laziness. If you check the map in England/Wales it was all blue. The remain support in London and Scotland is not enough.
29
13/12/2020 10:50:43 53 16
bbc
Where there is no will there is no sense eh Johnson?
836
13/12/2020 11:24:40 23 3
bbc
Indeed.
Fishing Rights
1. No EU boats in UK waters, No British boats in EU ports.
2. British people do not even like or buy the fish that are found in UK waters.
Let us all get used to and start liking the eating of gurnod, herring, catfish.
30
13/12/2020 10:50:56 23 20
bbc
Thanks a lot, boomers - we won't forget this, the LATEST stitch up on everyone either side of you.
91
13/12/2020 10:54:14 10 8
bbc
Should have voted against it then 2016. Tens of millions didn't vote. And almost no-one voted for the only party on a Stop Brexit manifesto in the 2019 General Election - the Lib Dems. Would only have taken 16 million votes, the same number who voted against it in the referendum couldn't be bothered to vote against it a second time.
176
13/12/2020 10:58:10 5 2
bbc
I'm in my 50s and many "boomers" hate brexit and much as younger people. We didn't work hard to see our children having less freedom and opportunity than we had. Our crime was complacency thinking that nobody would be stupid enough to vote to destroy this country and be convinced by a con merchant. The fight to reverse brexit has already begun, but it will take time and a different government.
230
13/12/2020 11:00:44 4 2
bbc
Please please don't blame all boomers. In my family no one voted leave except the pre-boomer generation who read the Daily Mail. They are not all still with us but have left their legacy for our children and grandchildren ( and wrecked our retirement plans)
349
13/12/2020 11:05:42 4 2
bbc
How do you know snowflake?
441
13/12/2020 11:09:50 4 1
bbc
Perhaps young people will have learnt that it’s worth bothering to vote
13/12/2020 11:35:45 1 1
bbc
What a shame your not a bit older yourself and can see your having the wool pulled over your eyes, just thank us in 5 years time but I bet you will never admit that you were wrong.
31
SP
13/12/2020 10:51:01 230 76
bbc
Exactly what are the benefits of brexit other the worthless mental satisfaction of the "Myth" that we are sovereign
138
13/12/2020 10:56:21 150 35
bbc
The same benefits as using bleach to cure Covid
485
13/12/2020 11:11:28 2 24
bbc
answer this why haven't Pro EU parties swept to power? Also if we have no benefits to Brexit why are the EU hell bent on tying us to their laws? surely if we going to fail the EU wouldn't need to tie us up.
495
13/12/2020 11:11:56 2 28
bbc
Everything. The EU is hitlers dream and has failed again
721
13/12/2020 11:20:24 5 14
bbc
The negotiations have demonstrated what is wrong with the EU, a few countries dominating the others for their own benefit. The benefit of Brexit is freedom from an oppressive unelected organisation which forces it's will on the people they are meant to look after.
810
13/12/2020 11:23:45 4 13
bbc
Banning live animal exports, getting rid of CAP and making our farms better for the environment and wildlife, better deals with other nations (Japan already signed), control of our waters and our fishing industry back, limit immigration and make homes affordable for our young people, stop low cost immigrant labour undercutting our unskilled workers, and never being part of an EU army.
964
13/12/2020 11:28:58 4 10
bbc
The benefits include being able to set our own laws without ECJ interference, support UK industries, not pay vast sums to the EU to be wasted on the Common Agriculture Policy, etc etc
13/12/2020 11:33:59 12 2
bbc
We were fully independent and sovereign before Brexit. No foreign country forced us to join the EU, we did so by choice, and then we left by choice.

Brexit is no more than an extreme right-wing wet dream that was delivered for them by gullible provincial racists.
13/12/2020 11:30:15 0 0
bbc
Blue passports.
13/12/2020 11:52:43 1 2
bbc
The fact of independence.
1
13/12/2020 10:45:29 168 42
bbc
Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
32
13/12/2020 10:51:02 14 25
bbc
It would help if British goods were bought - I have noticed most of our ambulances seem to be on on french or italian chassis's - what about using our own from the firm just off the M1 in Luton
172
13/12/2020 10:57:57 8 21
bbc
As for 'fast-tracking' lorries of perishables e,g. Scottish fish/Shellfish to the ports, I'd like to eat some of that, instead of stuff imported thousands of air-polluting miles, a lot of which is often smaller in size than would be permitted to be landed in the UK. Should be an opportunity to get our hands on UK produce! Plus we don't need to import/export Lamb/Beef/Chicken! Self-sufficiency.
184
13/12/2020 10:58:28 18 1
bbc
Because capitalism goes to the cheapest bidder.
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djf
13/12/2020 11:01:55 4 11
bbc
Exactly correct. If we all spent less time whinging about the EU and more time supporting OUR country then things might not go as bad as the 'Left' would have you believe. Just a small shift in what we buy would make a hige difference. Check the label and buy stuff made here as much as possible. Support business here. Help create jobs here. Help the economy here.
EU membership was never good.
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SJ
13/12/2020 11:23:58 2 1
bbc
British goods are being bought. In Europe.

That will now end.
33
13/12/2020 10:51:03 282 110
bbc
Maybe this will kill off the toxic Tory brand for good. This is all the result of their infighting. They can't hope to be re elected when the economy tanks. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
185
13/12/2020 10:58:28 138 239
bbc
Like you say Good riddance to bad rubbish like the EU
215
13/12/2020 10:59:58 24 2
bbc
If only that were true.
The British electorate has, in general, a short memory when it comes to politics. Johnson is probably banking on that.
247
13/12/2020 10:59:35 15 30
bbc
You just don't like democracy when it doesn't goes your way.
348
13/12/2020 11:05:41 6 25
bbc
A no deal is precisely what the majority voted for. Guarantees an election victory in 2024.
384
13/12/2020 11:07:24 9 24
bbc
The European people are our friends, the EU regime is hostile, arrogant and intransigent and are seeking to impose a more one-sided agreement on Britain than the allies imposed at Versailles. If we have any self respect whatsoever as a nation we have to break free of them and not remain subject to their rules forever as they demand.
412
13/12/2020 11:08:52 8 19
bbc
Good riddance to the EU!
429
13/12/2020 11:09:29 5 21
bbc
Kill off the toxic EU brand more like.....the UK once again sails to the rescue of European nations, this time from becoming another USSR!
465
Abc
13/12/2020 11:10:54 3 3
bbc
How many times have we heard the losers of Labour say this?
535
13/12/2020 11:13:33 3 0
bbc
I would like to agree but I suspect no matter what happens this government and the right wing media will merely persuade people that Sovereign Great Britain will thrive and it is all those others who are responsible for the mess at the time. There will be a lurch even further to the Right.
561
13/12/2020 11:14:35 1 1
bbc
And then what? We get the momentum run Labour idiots. Some choice

FPTP needs to be scrapped then we can get new parties with new ideas.

Red and Blue are puppets and they have the same masters.
635
13/12/2020 11:17:16 0 0
bbc
I would like to agree with you, but you'll see that this only makes them more appealing to many people. Don't ask me why - I know that people like to vote for the least capable party.
679
13/12/2020 11:18:51 1 2
bbc
For English voters the alternative isn't worth writing about.
Sir Keir Sir Davy [don't get any more establishment than that !]Nandi her from Yorkshire with the massive jaw and brass neck to match etc.
New politics required in Englandshire.
779
13/12/2020 11:22:44 2 2
bbc
Hahaha nothing more toxic than a liebour party that got trounced in their red wall heartlands...... Move on chump
863
13/12/2020 11:25:24 3 0
bbc
Shame there are so many gullible fools who believed a serial liar like Johnson however hopefully he and his party will be consigned to oblivion.
923
13/12/2020 11:27:28 0 0
bbc
no better or worse than Labour then and especially the Corbyn clan
998
13/12/2020 11:30:15 0 0
bbc
Next event will be the rise of the Reform Party. Send you lot in to spasms.
13/12/2020 11:32:55 1 0
bbc
Graffiti seen on a wall: ‘the only useful, honest and dependable Tory is a lavaTory’
13/12/2020 11:37:19 0 1
bbc
I take it you voted for the losing side. (again)
13/12/2020 11:44:36 1 0
bbc
We can only hope, but like Trumpists in the US, they will continue to lie, cheat and steal to hang on to power at all costs. If Labour do get in, perhaps we could at least have a sensible conversation about joining the Single Market again, like Norway. I like Norway.
13/12/2020 11:48:09 2 0
bbc
As part of Portugal, the Azores are in the European Union and Schengen Area. Look at yourselves before commenting on the UK.
13/12/2020 11:49:06 0 0
bbc
Standing up for us rather than capitulating is Toxic? Jeremy Corbyn was so toxic even his own party threw him out....Toxicity depends on your tolerance...
13/12/2020 12:05:19 0 0
bbc
Stupid will always vote for their betters.
9
Cat
13/12/2020 10:48:07 314 103
bbc
At least European politicians are truthful when they say workers on both sides will suffer in the event of no deal, all you here from our side is that all will be milk & honey deal or no deal for UK workers. Does anyone actually believe the UK politicians.
34
13/12/2020 10:50:32 114 214
bbc
Do you believe what you've just tryped?
123
13/12/2020 10:53:26 17 11
bbc
? Are you in the UK ?
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Jo
13/12/2020 11:18:38 4 2
bbc
Not only does Cat believe it but so do I
682
13/12/2020 11:19:05 4 1
bbc
At least it was spelt correctly.
754
13/12/2020 11:21:46 1 1
bbc
The truth?
966
13/12/2020 11:29:08 0 3
bbc
Well on 01/01/3021 it will be no deal. So all these accusations and all this bile will be for nothing. You still don’t get why people voted leave. Keep up the good work feeding each other’s anxiety.
973
13/12/2020 11:29:29 7 1
bbc
Fairly easy to believe what they’ve typed as it’s actually happening in front of you! Brexit is a disaster, and Johnston an idiot.
13/12/2020 11:33:43 0 0
bbc
tryped? You didn't read the post, did you. Tripe.
13/12/2020 11:34:38 0 0
bbc
Ha ha.. some people eh?
13/12/2020 12:27:20 0 0
bbc
Hate to say it but it made much more sense than your own effort...
35
13/12/2020 10:50:33 3 10
bbc
Im gona start selling fishing rods in france..

U would make a fortune lol
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13/12/2020 10:54:47 0 3
bbc
Doubt it, sweetheart. They have great big well-maintained boats, unlike us. But you could make a killing, selling dinghies. I reckon French may just decide to breach their new deal with Patel, policing UK borders on our behalf. Only in a specific & limited way, of course... limited to dinghies. You could do well ??
207
13/12/2020 10:59:32 0 1
bbc
If you were exporting them, they'd have tariffs
To be competitive, you'd have to move there
4
13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
bbc
Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
36
13/12/2020 10:50:41 5 5
bbc
If your Aunt had been a man, she’d have been your Uncle.
15
13/12/2020 10:49:27 16 11
bbc
In all honesty they have secured a better deal than I expected.
The LPF provisions are voluntary and sectorial, and Britain can decide if its interests are best served by state aid intervention or retaining zero tariffs.
I am surprised he's not accepted it.
37
13/12/2020 10:51:11 24 13
bbc
I'm not. He is a demagogue, who specialises in bombast & jingoism. He doesn't do detail & strategy.
38
13/12/2020 10:51:18 197 70
bbc
In hindsight, we already had the best deal for the last 40 years.
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Bob
13/12/2020 10:53:17 55 110
bbc
Good morning Sir Keir, Nice of you to join us!!
283
13/12/2020 11:03:03 17 1
bbc
No hindsight required, simple grasp of data at the time was required.
288
13/12/2020 11:01:40 0 16
bbc
Don't be silly..
293
13/12/2020 11:03:21 2 20
bbc
Rubbish, it never was a good deal for the UK because we were ripped off when we foolishly joined, and that never changed and they are still trying to keep on doing so.The UK is regarded by the EU as their cash cow.
322
13/12/2020 11:04:48 3 13
bbc
Which is why we’re the only generation since the war who are worse off than our parents. Look at the average university graduate now and tell me they’re prospering. Something needs to change
418
13/12/2020 11:09:09 6 4
bbc
about 48.1% million said that in foresight. But hey ho that's a greater percentage than voted Tory in Dec 2019
499
13/12/2020 11:12:04 1 14
bbc
I am sure all those homeless, standing in food bank queues, waiting for medical treatment, looking down the back of the sofa to survive to next pay day, waiting to see if there is any work for them today on 0 hour contracts.

Totally and utterly support you on that!

Sarcasm Alert, since many can't tell the different.

Its done move on.

Champers on Ice
757
13/12/2020 11:21:53 0 4
bbc
What planet have you been on?
791
BD
13/12/2020 11:23:17 4 0
bbc
Indeed we did.
13/12/2020 11:44:36 4 0
bbc
It wasn't hindsight, it was obvious to anyone with a brain even before the referendum was called that leaving the EU would be damaging to the UK, whatever deal replaced it. But the outcome now looks like being a lot worse than even the most pessimistic predictions by remainers.
39
13/12/2020 10:51:21 10 8
bbc
Please just let it STOP
99
13/12/2020 10:54:29 4 4
bbc
lol, no chance mate, this is going to roll on for another century as a minimum...
40
13/12/2020 10:51:25 235 48
bbc
Johnson has never had any judgment or strategic vision regarding Brexit , he was only ever a shallow opportunist.
This cabinet don’t believe in it either.
They don’t believe in the painless Brexit or the sunlit future they’ve promised to deliver. You can hear it in their voices as they tour the studios ducking the words “no deal” and babbling about Australia. You can see it in their eyes.
313
13/12/2020 11:04:24 101 30
bbc
Reality is going to come crashing in soon enough. Many will change their tune, but too late to save the livelihoods of people in the most vulnerable industries. If the Tories have had one defining feature over the centuries, it is turning on a dime to stay in power. Once their disaster capitalist backers have cashed in their bets, why keep going? Eventually, only hard core Lexiters will persist.
470
13/12/2020 11:11:04 1 16
bbc
He is so far delivering what wr voted for. Those who arnt ready only have them selfs to blame they had 4 years
632
13/12/2020 11:17:03 2 18
bbc
I don't think anyone but, remain voters with selective memories, believed that Brexit would be easy. Britain being better off was always a long term goal, yes there will be short term pain but in 10 to 20 years the country will be much better off.
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SJ
13/12/2020 11:22:36 12 2
bbc
Exactly. As in June 2016 and March 2019, Johnson's body language gives him away again. He doesn't believe in what he is selling. He started off wanting to differentiate himself from Cameron and got in too deep. He is an overconfident fool, followed by gullible fools.
971
13/12/2020 11:29:24 9 0
bbc
It's worse than that, for Johnson Brexit was never more than an opportunity for personal political advancement.

However, if he had deemed Remain as being more advantageous to him, then he wouldn't have given a toss about Brexit.
13/12/2020 11:39:07 1 0
bbc
we are the hostage of a gang whose principle is telling lie to mislead the people in the UK.
13/12/2020 11:41:37 7 0
bbc
Let's not forget Boris was a remainer until Demonic Cummings told him his career would improve if he supported Leave. Typical spineless Tory.
13/12/2020 11:41:48 0 4
bbc
In Your Opinion. No facts, just your opinion.
13/12/2020 12:12:57 2 0
bbc
40 down voters are still wearing their Brexit blinkers.
13/12/2020 12:28:05 0 0
bbc
Spot on.
21
13/12/2020 10:49:55 9 15
bbc
The Ursula can’t make it up as she goes along! Member States’ suvrintea innit?
41
13/12/2020 10:51:28 12 9
bbc
Yes, each member state IS concerned with THEIR sovereignty? Problem?
193
13/12/2020 10:58:51 1 2
bbc
Yes, my point exactly. Brexiters hung by their own suvrintea petards!
42
13/12/2020 10:51:30 31 22
bbc
Johnson has failed. He helped to get us out of EU by promising a deal would be done. Compliant media, particularly BBC, allow him to get away with it. And Labour are not forceful enough in condemning him.
97
13/12/2020 10:54:26 12 15
bbc
The BBC compliant with a Tory government ... what planet are you on ?

Virtually every program is left wing, anti Brexit and anti UK.
264
13/12/2020 11:02:10 0 2
bbc
But Labour were savaged for not fully endorsing Brexit.

Corbyn despite his many faults was more keen to negotiate a Norway style agreement where we are out and able to negotiate our own deals but still economically aligned to the EU. However the "patriots" won't be satisfied until we have a North Korea style agreement - if we aren't willing to concede to another country then don't expect it back
658
13/12/2020 11:17:57 1 0
bbc
Yeah, nothing to do with the majority who voted to shoot themselves, and everyone else, in the foot. Guide us all to the lifeboats and proceeded to shoot a hole in that, handed everyone a bucket, and shot a hole in each of them as well? Luckily I can swim, and buoyant enough that I'll float even when I stop swimming. I'll maybe survive by catching some of the abundance of fish there'll be?
43
13/12/2020 10:51:34 13 12
bbc
Roll on next weeks deadline!!
44
13/12/2020 10:51:36 18 7
bbc
11th hour deal will be to agree to disagree allowing free trade to continue with the hope of still to negotiate as we go on as no one is really ready
116
13/12/2020 10:55:19 9 9
bbc
You mean extend transition? But that has been ruled out by Johnson. I think more likely Agree to disagree, tariffs and quotas start on 1.1 and would be removed at a later date should an agreement be reached.
Sovreignty and no LPF + free trade = cake + eat it.
210
13/12/2020 10:59:40 3 2
bbc
Nope. No deal and boris’ mates will make a buck off shortening the pound.
13/12/2020 11:38:11 0 0
bbc
Yes after over four and a half years.
20
13/12/2020 10:49:54 37 41
bbc
Boris is right we cannot sign up to a deal which allows the EU to alter the rules/regulations in years to come. Would any moaners here actually agree to sign up to a loan arrangement where your interest rate could sky rocket in future?
45
13/12/2020 10:51:46 39 22
bbc
If you believe his lies I feel sorry for you.
4
13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
bbc
Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
46
13/12/2020 10:51:51 5 3
bbc
Why would I have voted Labour? Corbyn was a terrible leader. Spent most the time sitting on the fence on brexit and evading the issue. A vote for Labour was a blind vote in the dark on to many issues. Probably the only time in my life I will ever vote against Labour.
854
13/12/2020 11:25:10 0 0
bbc
A pathetic excuse...you’re nothing more than a Tory facilitator.
47
13/12/2020 10:51:53 149 53
bbc
I still don't understand why the so-called negotiators feel they can, as representatives of a small island off the coast of a major political and economic bloc, dictate what they want from leaving that bloc on the very narrow result of an unnecessary referendum. In effect they will be condemning us to third world status politically and economically. Who's to blame? Cameron of course!
128
13/12/2020 10:54:47 67 23
bbc
then johnson then the rightwing.
142
13/12/2020 10:56:41 11 2
bbc
More Boris, the Remainer that put his own interest before the country
And Tories in general, who failed to sort out their internal 'baggage' for 50 years....
239
13/12/2020 11:01:23 7 2
bbc
Yes Cameron, that chicken sh*t got out pretty damn quick
299
13/12/2020 11:03:47 12 4
bbc
Who's to blame? Cameron of course!

and the idiots who voted to leave. Especially those now crying in their beer cos they "didn't realise what they had voted for."
563
Abc
13/12/2020 11:14:38 1 13
bbc
You mean the fifth largest economy in the World off the coast of an inward looking, dysfunctional trade bloc
835
BD
13/12/2020 11:24:40 6 0
bbc
Exactly. Idiot gambled the country to appease his rabid backbenchers, and lost.
859
13/12/2020 11:25:18 6 0
bbc
Camoron isn't to blame , he was and is a spineless individual who buckled under the pressure of the ERG and Tory money men from the far right .
Boris Johnson is to blame along with Frog Farage.
13/12/2020 11:39:38 0 0
bbc
What an idiotic comment, that's how democracy works or do you only like it when it agrees with your point of view?
13/12/2020 12:23:46 0 0
bbc
Cameron, Gove and Johnson.
2
13/12/2020 10:46:22 30 35
bbc
Sovereignty first, then talk trade.
48
13/12/2020 10:51:56 8 7
bbc
sums up the Brexit mentality
107
13/12/2020 10:54:49 6 6
bbc
I don’t understand this mentality either what does sovereignty provide the average person? Words are bandied about with no substance as to the benefits.
20
13/12/2020 10:49:54 37 41
bbc
Boris is right we cannot sign up to a deal which allows the EU to alter the rules/regulations in years to come. Would any moaners here actually agree to sign up to a loan arrangement where your interest rate could sky rocket in future?
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13/12/2020 10:51:57 14 7
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Totally false analogy.
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Bob
13/12/2020 10:48:34 16 26
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Political Will, there's no money in that for the dictatorial EU
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13/12/2020 10:52:03 8 7
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Well, sure as hell isn't any money in WTO exit for the UK. But you must realise that.... don't you? ??
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13/12/2020 10:49:54 37 41
bbc
Boris is right we cannot sign up to a deal which allows the EU to alter the rules/regulations in years to come. Would any moaners here actually agree to sign up to a loan arrangement where your interest rate could sky rocket in future?
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13/12/2020 10:52:03 6 13
bbc
they probably would if it meant they could keep sucking up to france and germany..
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13/12/2020 10:48:51 128 52
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Well done, brexits. Hope you're looking forward to standing in line for your dole money.
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13/12/2020 10:52:05 45 63
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30 million people couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016. If the 16 million who *did* vote against it in 2016 had voted Lib Dem in the 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. They are the ones to blame. And Remainers are supposed to be the clever ones.
Well your first line proves you are an idiot because the vast majority of that 30 million were not eligible as they were underage Removed
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13/12/2020 11:25:51 0 1
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To be fair I think they had PTSD, therefore they were looking to stop the pain. It was bit like using the revolver instead of cleaning it.
13/12/2020 11:44:36 4 1
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Lol! Another brexiter thrashing around for someone else to blame!
13/12/2020 12:28:13 0 0
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A very good point, fortunately Nick Klegg destroyed the Lib Dems and what’s her name incredibly made it worse, now we are where we are, 20 million economically inactive and 2 trillion in debt, more lockdowns ahead, my advice is get a contract to supply PPE to the NHS “loads of money”
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13/12/2020 10:52:11 8 9
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Someone add two bar bills to Johnson’s Xmas stocking ......

His knuckles seem rather high ....

... they should be dragging on the floor.

??
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13/12/2020 10:52:12 14 15
bbc
Gunboat diplomacy will be answered with slow go at EU custom pls control. One HGV per hour will get the UK on its knees sharply
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SP
13/12/2020 10:54:08 1 3
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then slowly and steadily UK will stop importing from EU and will focus on trade with rest of the world. Long term looser will be the EU
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13/12/2020 10:56:28 0 1
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EU countries will also suffer from customs delays. Fresh veg and fruit from Spain will rot in the HGVs. Will force UK to grow more of our own
13/12/2020 11:41:27 0 0
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And exactly how is that going to help you? you sound like that's what you want, bit daft if you ask me.
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13/12/2020 10:52:19 15 26
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For goodness sake, will you lot grow a backbone and stop cowering at the snarls of French and German bullying and threats. You wouldn’t accept it from your next door neighbour,so why accept it from this lot of unelected administrators
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13/12/2020 10:56:00 1 2
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That's it!!! Stand up and fight while all your neighbours starve. Great strategy.
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13/12/2020 10:58:26 0 1
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Oh I didn't realise Merkel and Macron were not elected?
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13/12/2020 10:52:22 87 32
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The "£350 million for the NHS" was not a lie. That's how much they expect to get when they start selling it piecemeal.
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13/12/2020 11:20:55 48 7
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UK objecting to Europe insisting that any goods or services, that the EU buy from Britain comes with the assurances that they match up to European standards of:

1. The goods have not been manufactured by child/slave labour.
2. That the workers' have been paid a fair wage
3. That the workers' working hours have been reasonable
4. The workers' Human Rights have been respected

Object to this, WHY?
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13/12/2020 10:48:51 128 52
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Well done, brexits. Hope you're looking forward to standing in line for your dole money.
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13/12/2020 10:52:27 11 18
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And that's the elites view that brought about Brexit, well done. BTW I voted Brexit and have an above averagely paid professional job.
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13/12/2020 11:25:34 0 2
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Then you should have known better.
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13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
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Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
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13/12/2020 10:52:29 8 6
bbc
No way! Leavers own this. Johnson owns this mess. Certain lying news rags own this mess.
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13/12/2020 10:52:31 9 12
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These talks seem to be going around in circles.
Out team should walk away and tell the EU that talks will resume, when they come back with new proposals that go to meet the UK’s needs.
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13/12/2020 10:56:39 0 1
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"They" don't need us anywhere near as much as we need them. We're a small player now so we'd better get used to whatever crumbs other trading blocs throw us ...
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13/12/2020 10:59:28 0 1
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It's the UK that asked the EU for a deal in the first instance....
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13/12/2020 11:01:57 0 1
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And just why would the EU bother to do that?

We are one little country, adrift in Brexit stupidity, making demands the EU believe are unreasonable, lead by clowns who got us in this mess and have kept us there through their nationalistic arrogance.

And yet Brexiters still think it’s going to work? They are kidding themselves!
13/12/2020 11:42:59 0 0
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They have but still won't walk away first as they don't want the blame for the talks failing (which they will).
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13/12/2020 10:52:34 15 20
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Of course we can have a deal ... all we need to do is allow the EU to have indefinite access to UK fishing grounds and obey every rule the EU think up forever after.

Might as well get the shackles fitted now.

Just bite the bullet and call off the talks tonight ... as promised.
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13/12/2020 10:58:30 0 1
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Guess what, we'll have to obey WTO rules, and there's no election for them.
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13/12/2020 11:00:31 0 1
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And more businesses continue with the stream (well river really) of leaving the UK.

Holland says Thanks
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13/12/2020 10:50:34 16 31
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EU need to realise we are now a Sovereign country and live with it.
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13/12/2020 10:52:35 10 1
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That's why we have the power to reject their terms.

Our sovereignty doesn't mean they'll change their terms to suit us.
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13/12/2020 11:29:33 2 0
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No but it should tell them we should not be using their laws.
And the UK has the best record on health and safety than anyone.
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13/12/2020 10:52:36 166 49
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Is there any political will on the British side? I can see only rabid nationalism.
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13/12/2020 10:59:00 57 17
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Boris is desperate for an excuse to use his water cannon.
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13/12/2020 11:08:03 1 4
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Good , SNP seem to be able to get away with it.
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13/12/2020 11:23:45 5 1
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Trouble is that the UK is also showing it to the rest of the world. Rabs latest on the Patrol Boats is wincingly Nationalist and no doubt has been clocked by the very same world leaders we are hoping to court post no deal..

The UK is heading down the pan not just economically.
13/12/2020 11:56:54 0 2
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Why is nationalism rabid? Every other country does it, but if Britain tries to do it, to stand up for itself, it's suddenly a dirty word.
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13/12/2020 10:52:38 158 56
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Stupid, antiquated, backward little country ours led by chancers and incompetents.
Sheep led by clowns.
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13/12/2020 10:59:52 71 25
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PS Thick sheep at that.
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13/12/2020 11:05:25 4 9
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Spain or Portugal?
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BD
13/12/2020 11:25:15 6 5
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Well said. Truly ashamed to be British right now.
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13/12/2020 10:52:39 118 43
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We need them way more than they need us. It’s that simple. What a huge mistake this is....
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ken
13/12/2020 10:55:03 34 94
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You are so wrong they want to control it that is what you want them go live there
13/12/2020 11:45:26 0 4
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It's because of people like you were in this mess, have you no faith in your own country?
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13/12/2020 10:52:43 83 47
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No Deal = moronic

If No Deal happens, there will be a Winter Of Discontent and riots.

Oh well.
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13/12/2020 10:55:19 50 15
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Oddly though it will be the discontented radicalised rabble who riot if it is anybody. The rest ofnus will be trying to figure out how to rescue Britain for our great, great, great grandchildren.
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13/12/2020 10:54:01 5 2
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Why would you feel the need to riot.
Get a grip of yourself and behave.
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13/12/2020 10:58:09 4 1
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Which will only spread the covid virus further causing yet more problems for this crap government
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13/12/2020 11:17:56 1 0
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Doubt that , most people are so addicted to posting cr*p on Facce book and up to their eyeballs in debt they have neither the time nor inclination to start a riot .
UK don't do riots to much CCTV.
13/12/2020 11:45:02 0 0
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Riots?! Absolute rubbish
13/12/2020 11:46:16 1 1
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No there won't because it's what the silent majority want.
13/12/2020 11:54:16 1 0
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Lol riots... Maybe some strongly worded HYS comments
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13/12/2020 10:46:22 30 35
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Sovereignty first, then talk trade.
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13/12/2020 10:52:43 7 8
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We have always been sovereign so has every other member of the EU who will continue to be so. They cooperate in the mutual interest something that the UK had failed to grasp. The UK always always saw it as a trading arrangement nothing more. And they are about to throw that away. Utter stupidity.

Tell me does s Frenchman feel less French, a German less German. Of course not. Silly imperialists.
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Bob
13/12/2020 10:48:34 16 26
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Political Will, there's no money in that for the dictatorial EU
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13/12/2020 10:52:45 5 3
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It's not the EU that's the problem.
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13/12/2020 10:49:39 9 20
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Oh Look! ANOTHER HYS on Brexit! Obviously there’s nothing else going on in the world to talk about?
68
13/12/2020 10:52:50 3 8
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The BBC open it up all the time for anything brexit related, never for much else. Wonder why.
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13/12/2020 10:48:51 128 52
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Well done, brexits. Hope you're looking forward to standing in line for your dole money.
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13/12/2020 10:53:16 6 14
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Another idiotic comment a waste of skin
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13/12/2020 10:53:16 13 17
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I wish people would just grow a spine and support the government in resisting the bully boy tactics of the EU. There will be many opportunities in a proper, clean Brexit. All those jobs we exported to the eastern end of the EU can be encouraged, by targeted tariffs, to relocate back home. And UK farmers can grow what we need rather than rely on exports to the EU.
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13/12/2020 10:57:26 1 1
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Please be specific about these "many opportunities"?
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13/12/2020 11:00:06 1 2
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Why do you think that the EU setting out there needs is 'bullying' while the UK doind the same is not? The EU is doing all the work to create and develop the EU, they are entitled to decide the price of access for non-members.

Get a life muppet.
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13/12/2020 10:53:17 81 15
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"Trade agreements are not done to assert ones independence, they are done to manage our interdependence."

reflect.....
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13/12/2020 10:56:52 58 11
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Trade agreements are to ensure that trade happens, rather than, say, parking lorries of product in muddy fields in Kent for hours or even days

Think
13/12/2020 12:27:32 0 0
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on HYS you are addressing constructive criticism to the hindquarters of a very stupid animal.
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13/12/2020 10:51:18 197 70
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In hindsight, we already had the best deal for the last 40 years.
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Bob
13/12/2020 10:53:17 55 110
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Good morning Sir Keir, Nice of you to join us!!
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13/12/2020 11:10:00 1 8
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The only people Sir Kier joins is the Tories
13/12/2020 12:22:01 0 0
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Oooh cutting!
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13/12/2020 10:45:29 168 42
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Hope that this will focus minds.

The UK Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR)
a no-deal Brexit would reduce output by an additional 2% in 2021, or some £40 billion ($53 billion), and consign more than 300,000 people to the unemployment line by the second half of next year
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/business/no-deal-brexit-economic-consequences/index.html
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13/12/2020 10:53:24 7 27
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They must have a very good crystal ball.
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13/12/2020 11:20:17 0 0
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No, just maths.
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13/12/2020 10:50:34 16 31
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EU need to realise we are now a Sovereign country and live with it.
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13/12/2020 10:53:26 5 2
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Always been a sovereign country ta wally...
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13/12/2020 10:48:15 25 36
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Leave with No Deal now first... we'll talk later after we've taken everything back first
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13/12/2020 10:53:33 1 3
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Taken WHAT back in any practical terms that will actually provide the people of the UK with a better future?
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13/12/2020 10:53:37 8 6
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The Tory donors are ramping up the tabloids to blame Europe for things falling apart. What a shame we did not have Ed Miliband's leadership during the referendum instead of Corbyn ..
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13/12/2020 10:53:38 14 11
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I'm pretty sure most people are completely fed up with the dangerous radicalisation talk and utter rubbish that spews from the likes of Raab and IDS.

These people apparently represent the UK at the highest level and yet they trash talk like the underdog on the undercard at an illegal bare knuckle fight.

Grow up. You are supposed to be representing the UK and not some tinpot fascist state.
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13/12/2020 10:53:38 9 9
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David Davis looks to gave made another wrong prediction about the EU collapsing at the last moment ....

... was he a Brexiter?

Of course he was.
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13/12/2020 11:03:48 0 2
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Yes, because all of those remainer predictions have been bang on so far...now, just remind me...
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13/12/2020 10:46:22 30 35
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Sovereignty first, then talk trade.
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13/12/2020 10:53:42 8 6
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There is no such thing as pure sovereignty- unless you don’t want to trade with anyone.

Of all the lies told by the Brexit establishment elite, the one about Brexit being about ‘sovereignty’ is the most pernicious and damaging of all.
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kev
13/12/2020 10:53:43 22 22
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Send Ed Milliband to negotiate and he would come back minus his trousers.
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13/12/2020 10:54:25 11 6
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Yawn
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13/12/2020 10:47:12 13 15
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Johnson is the Northern part of a Southbound horse
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13/12/2020 10:51:31 1 1
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Name calling is all you have!
Must be a remainer!
Looking forward to 1.1.21
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13/12/2020 10:51:47 6 11
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Stand firm boris. Nearly over the line. Will be the best new years eve party ever
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13/12/2020 10:56:07 2 2
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Social distancing remember ?
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13/12/2020 10:57:15 1 2
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And the worst New Year’s Day hangover
83
13/12/2020 10:51:57 8 2
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So, nothing happened. Again.
Gotta love 24/7 propaganda.
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13/12/2020 10:52:31 5 6
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What utter morons believed the conservatives and murdoch I wonder ?

Any ideas at all 'leave' voters ?
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Cat
13/12/2020 10:48:07 314 103
bbc
At least European politicians are truthful when they say workers on both sides will suffer in the event of no deal, all you here from our side is that all will be milk & honey deal or no deal for UK workers. Does anyone actually believe the UK politicians.
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13/12/2020 10:53:07 16 9
bbc
No - I'd jail them.
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13/12/2020 10:54:07 10 8
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OK, let's ask one more time, for the record..... give us the measurable benefits of No Deal Brexit.
131
13/12/2020 10:56:06 6 7
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we become a soveriign country in charge of our own destiny - thats what brexit was about - where have you been for the last 4 years
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13/12/2020 10:56:10 2 2
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Less than zero. Negative!
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13/12/2020 10:59:37 0 4
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1) Democracy prevails.
.....
666) Can legally torpedo Frenchies fishing boats before they disembark migrants onto Blighty shores.
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13/12/2020 10:52:12 14 15
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Gunboat diplomacy will be answered with slow go at EU custom pls control. One HGV per hour will get the UK on its knees sharply
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SP
13/12/2020 10:54:08 1 3
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then slowly and steadily UK will stop importing from EU and will focus on trade with rest of the world. Long term looser will be the EU
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13/12/2020 10:53:16 13 17
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I wish people would just grow a spine and support the government in resisting the bully boy tactics of the EU. There will be many opportunities in a proper, clean Brexit. All those jobs we exported to the eastern end of the EU can be encouraged, by targeted tariffs, to relocate back home. And UK farmers can grow what we need rather than rely on exports to the EU.
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13/12/2020 10:49:54 37 41
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Boris is right we cannot sign up to a deal which allows the EU to alter the rules/regulations in years to come. Would any moaners here actually agree to sign up to a loan arrangement where your interest rate could sky rocket in future?
89
13/12/2020 10:54:10 11 5
bbc
Ever heard of a mortgage? Rates go up and down. Back in Maggie's time they went to 15%.
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13/12/2020 11:10:54 0 1
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Was it only 15%, I thought it was more but that's memory for you
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13/12/2020 10:54:14 7 7
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They polished the turd that is Brexit; it did not shine. They rolled it in glitter; it did not sparkle. They pointed out the wonderful aroma; it was a turd.
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13/12/2020 10:59:12 0 2
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You appear to have something of an extrusion obsession.
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13/12/2020 10:50:56 23 20
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Thanks a lot, boomers - we won't forget this, the LATEST stitch up on everyone either side of you.
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13/12/2020 10:54:14 10 8
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Should have voted against it then 2016. Tens of millions didn't vote. And almost no-one voted for the only party on a Stop Brexit manifesto in the 2019 General Election - the Lib Dems. Would only have taken 16 million votes, the same number who voted against it in the referendum couldn't be bothered to vote against it a second time.
13/12/2020 11:30:59 0 0
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Hi there. I was a Lib Dem. Card Carrying. Then the high command sold the dream of a liberal democracy for a generation by joining the coalition. The price, a referendum on proportional representation which the Tories then effectively scuppered. Vote for democracy by voting for the only party that wants to ignore democracy. Done is done, let the chips fall, your children's children may pick them up
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13/12/2020 10:48:15 25 36
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Leave with No Deal now first... we'll talk later after we've taken everything back first
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13/12/2020 10:54:14 0 3
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says Gary Tank Commander
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Cat
13/12/2020 10:48:07 314 103
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At least European politicians are truthful when they say workers on both sides will suffer in the event of no deal, all you here from our side is that all will be milk & honey deal or no deal for UK workers. Does anyone actually believe the UK politicians.
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13/12/2020 10:54:18 21 39
bbc
European politicians are no more truthful than UK. Wake up you must have voted remain.
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13/12/2020 10:56:47 35 11
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Haha. You think the Europeans have lied like Boris and co? Wasn’t this meant to be the easiest deal in History?
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13/12/2020 11:01:52 31 11
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"you must have voted remain"

And?

This will be an unmitigated disaster for millions, and the only benefits will be enjoyed by the disaster capitalists like Rees Mogg.
What untruths have the EU spoken? THEY don't have to sell their point of view to their electorate. I await with interest how the "government" will sell their decision to leave without a deal - it's what they've wanted all along.
13/12/2020 11:38:24 2 0
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The remain - leave vote was in the past. This debate is about the future.
13/12/2020 12:28:11 0 0
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Just more accountable in many countries in the EU, although sadly not all. The politicians in Britain have always had a lot of secrets that the Security Services have known about but been politically prevented from acting on except in exceptional situations. Lies are small beer in Britain, á la Geoffrey Archer style, compared to some of the other things that go on.
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13/12/2020 10:54:21 7 8
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In the middle of the pandemic, we could have extended the transition period and given more time, at least it would soften the blow.

But no, couldn't let the little Englanders down could we? Now we're going to have the double whammy post Covid austerity (with a different name though) and no deal Brexit next month and we will all suffer.
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13/12/2020 10:58:47 1 2
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ah - lets resort to divisive nationalistic insults - get over it
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13/12/2020 11:12:42 0 0
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Extending talks would only be prolonging the procrastination. If you can't hammer out a deal in the time there's been then it 's pretty obvious there isn't one to be done. Time now to draw two lines under the negotiations, move on and spend the time wisely planning for the future. I'm not convinced the EU are prepared to offer the UK a reasonable deal anyway or it could encourage others to leave.
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13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
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Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
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13/12/2020 10:54:21 9 5
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Comic - your mess. You won. Own it. Responsibility is never high on the list of personal attributes of leavers is it? Just blame everyone and everything else
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kev
13/12/2020 10:53:43 22 22
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Send Ed Milliband to negotiate and he would come back minus his trousers.
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13/12/2020 10:54:25 11 6
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Yawn
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13/12/2020 10:51:30 31 22
bbc
Johnson has failed. He helped to get us out of EU by promising a deal would be done. Compliant media, particularly BBC, allow him to get away with it. And Labour are not forceful enough in condemning him.
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13/12/2020 10:54:26 12 15
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The BBC compliant with a Tory government ... what planet are you on ?

Virtually every program is left wing, anti Brexit and anti UK.
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13/12/2020 11:09:15 0 2
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You sound like a nasty working class Tory boy!
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13/12/2020 10:47:08 17 27
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Remainers should have voted against this in 2016 when they had the chance. Millions didn't vote. And if the same 16 million who did vote against it had voted Lib Dem in the Dec 2019 General Election, Brexit would have been stopped. Where were all the millions of mind changers and newly 18 voters?

Remainers need to own this which is due to their laziness.
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13/12/2020 10:54:28 9 5
bbc
Those who voted LEAVE need to own it.
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13/12/2020 10:56:59 5 4
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Those who didn't vote Remain need to own it. If my house is on fire, and there's a fireman outside, and he doesn't put it out, that's due to his lack of action. Y'all had two opportunities to stop this, in 2016 and 2019. Y'all chose not to.
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13/12/2020 10:51:21 10 8
bbc
Please just let it STOP
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13/12/2020 10:54:29 4 4
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lol, no chance mate, this is going to roll on for another century as a minimum...
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13/12/2020 10:54:30 14 13
bbc
Walk away for crying out loud, they need us more than we need them - we could have had a no-deal 12 months ago if not for all the hot garlic infused air.......
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13/12/2020 10:56:12 4 4
bbc
No ask the question why we haven’t walked away? Are you sure it is the EU that needs a deal more than the UK?
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13/12/2020 11:00:21 2 3
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It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic and serious in its consequences. Perhaps you will be able to explain to my friends with Epilepsy and diabetes why they can’t get their medicines
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13/12/2020 11:08:16 3 2
bbc
"they need us more than we need them'"

Brexiteers still peddling that old line. They really do not need us...Not at all.
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13/12/2020 11:14:35 0 2
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Brilliant.
Free trade both ways + murkymerkel can prevent the car makers in Germany revolting.