Covid: Public must think carefully about Christmas risk, NHS bosses warn
13/12/2020 | news | health | 4,855
NHS bosses say they are worried about January, after the US saw a spike in cases after Thanksgiving.
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12/12/2020 22:23:52 335 30
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We're almost guaranteed to have a third wave surely, regardless of restrictions. We never got the rates down from the second wave and we're heading into the festive season, during winter.
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12/12/2020 23:04:08 179 409
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There wasn't even a second wave. The government tactics in Autumn of including flu and pneumonia deaths in the elderly and categorising Covid deaths as "deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test" have really fooled you, eh?
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12/12/2020 23:54:52 3 29
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have you got nothing better to worry about?? broaden your horizons ffs.
Mad
13/12/2020 07:56:00 7 18
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It called nature but if you have any evidence that any of these interventions have produced a meaningful effect then I'd love to see it
13/12/2020 10:16:48 1 11
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Viruses don't have third waves FACT, they do mutate often but that is normal, no waves though!
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13/12/2020 13:01:17 2 1
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not almost Neil
13/12/2020 13:22:00 2 0
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Looking at the figures, it might already have started.
Some of the countries that thought they had the outbreak licked like Germany and Sweden, are finding out that it's not such an easy task.
13/12/2020 14:50:39 4 0
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There will be a huge spike after New Years Eve, people will gather in towns and cities across the whole globe with no care for social distancing.
13/12/2020 16:46:33 0 0
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We had SAGEs doctored figures- 4,000 deaths a day/50,000 new cases a day ? were you asleep ?
13/12/2020 17:03:29 0 0
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Gonna be awesome.
13/12/2020 20:07:10 0 0
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we never will get the rate down. They use the figures to lie to us and control us!
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12/12/2020 22:24:43 31 18
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The horse has already bolted. No way they will back track. Watch as Jan and Feb are lockdown to get things back under control...but I doubt we ever had it under control compared to other just as densely populated countries e.g. Taiwan because in the UK "ma freedoms are more important than your life".
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12/12/2020 22:25:21 294 29
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Of course any relaxation of the restrictions means the infection rate increases. Seems pretty obvious to anyone with any intelligence.
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12/12/2020 23:32:08 57 151
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That's Project Fear.

Sorry, no, that's a different front in the culture war.
Mad
13/12/2020 08:08:08 4 15
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So you have evidence that these restrictions have had any effect?
13/12/2020 17:31:34 2 1
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So not ukgov then.. Because they set rules and dates for covid & lockdowns. 11 months of world beating fails from stupid ukgov.
'help out' & EU holidays allowed by ukgov were implicated in covid rise. Schools & Unis not a covid problem.. Ukgov now desperately trying to test and close schools. Sounds like another of the 11 month ukgov fails.
Taiwan 7 deaths. Everything open.
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12/12/2020 22:25:46 10 4
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London !
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12/12/2020 22:26:19 14 14
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Erm . . The third wave is already ramping up . . Figures increasing daily, doesnt need an expert to see that
13/12/2020 19:12:15 1 0
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Actually here in Dorset they aren't
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12/12/2020 22:27:05 13 15
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For Pete’s sake, let’s get the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc etc etc waves over and done with. Let some of us survive economically at least
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12/12/2020 22:37:30 6 2
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As you said , "some" and "us" !
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12/12/2020 22:27:08 32 11
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It's party season coming with the Christmas relaxation drop any tier 3 down to tier 2 and they are partying from the relaxation into the new year, then we can have the next lockdown end Jan. Keep it as it is and put places into tier 3, it's too much of a risk especially as the vaccine is being rolled out now
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12/12/2020 22:35:51 40 6
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Party season? Every pub, restaurant and other hospitality venues have been closed here since October. It is far too late to rescue most of them now. Might as well stay closed until January for the few that are left.
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12/12/2020 22:27:16 941 303
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When will people ever wake up?

COVID-19 doesn't care how bored you are.
Doesn't care if you want to fly abroad.
Doesn't care if you feel lonely.
Doesn't care if it's Christmas.
Doesn't care even if the Chancellor's money printing press finally packs in.

Only by staying in and keeping clear of other people can we combat this contagion. The medics can't do everything all the time.
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12/12/2020 22:32:01 451 913
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So you want everyone to stay at home for the rest of time? What sort of a life is that? Do that if it suits you but don’t impose such stupidity on others
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12/12/2020 22:55:11 23 73
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Bet you are a right joy at a party.
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12/12/2020 23:00:27 7 27
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Yawn
Boring sheep follow the rules blah blah blah. Life not worth living anymore.....bye Removed
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12/12/2020 23:11:27 28 24
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Do you have any idea of the social, economic and mental health implications of your suggestion? No of course you don't...
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12/12/2020 23:48:38 7 14
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In quite a few places the medics have f all to do as the hospitals are pretty much shut for the fear of infection...
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13/12/2020 00:00:40 6 22
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Humbug. Take your misery and leave everyone to enjoy life instead of hiding from it.
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13/12/2020 00:49:40 7 3
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I assume you can work from home because if you can't, who pays your wages.
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13/12/2020 00:50:29 6 18
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Stop showing compliance, you look like a sheep with a muzzle
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13/12/2020 01:48:24 8 20
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Hide behind your sofa for ever, the rest of us want to enjoy our lives.
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13/12/2020 07:21:20 1 8
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Stupid comment. You must be on eternal furlough, on generous UC or still looked after by mum and dad. If not, you will be working for the NHS. We stopped clapping for you many months ago.
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12/12/2020 22:27:19 88 25
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There is no second wave or 3rd wave .. Its a continuation of all political leaders to deal with the original outbreak ....
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12/12/2020 22:30:41 62 11
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More of a Mexican wave.
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13/12/2020 07:35:30 1 2
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One of few sensible and objective comments on here. There’s absolutely no need to label any of this as ‘waves’. According to most who like doing this for dramatic effect, the ‘second wave’ is still happening. Obviously, there must be an awkward degree of overlap that doesn’t quite suit the narrative.
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13/12/2020 07:41:12 7 4
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I work in the NHS. Believe me cases are increasing. A consultant I know who specialises in cancer care has been redeployed again to work on the COVID ward as no staff. She is now ill with COVID.
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12/12/2020 22:27:40 13 29
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Lets get on with our lives and parrrttyy!
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12/12/2020 22:27:59 269 142
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The way the BBC rabidly reports these stories makes you think that they just want the whole of the UK in total lockdown having the most miserable Christmas ever, so they can have a storyline to run with.
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12/12/2020 22:42:47 201 82
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Spot on - it’s a near obsession with the media
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12/12/2020 23:10:43 11 16
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Either that or they can't stand the idea that the majority of the UK don't follow the traditions of minority festivities.
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12/12/2020 23:27:36 9 15
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They’ve had a great time during this - I so hope there’s a massive enquiry after it finally ends to bring organisations and people to book. The BBC coverage of the vaccine roll out was appalling.
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12/12/2020 23:33:38 10 20
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Yep media like to report only about the worst scenario. BBC licence should be scrapped
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13/12/2020 12:47:33 5 5
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You conspiracy theorists are always hysterical about everything.
There's nothing "rabid" about reporting the facts.
13/12/2020 16:54:51 4 1
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im sick of the public being made to feel guilty if we overwhelm the NHS. Gov are responsible for the mismanagement and understaffing of NHS for years.We must go back to normal as this state of affairs cannot continue or this country will go bankrupt.SCHOOLS SHOULD CLOSE AS IT HAS BEEN PROVED THIS IS WHERE THE INFECTIONS ARE RISING.Hospitality has been decimated to keep schools open.
13/12/2020 19:01:57 0 1
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Its called reporting the news
13/12/2020 20:59:02 0 0
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When I listen to Nick and Mishal on Radio 4 I begin to realise they have been totally brainwashed by the organisation, and its speculation over all things Covid19 !!
13/12/2020 21:48:21 1 0
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It's in the hope that everyone will be desperate enough to want to watch dismal TV over the "holiday period.." Remember, when the first lockdown occurred, the BBC proudly announced it was helping to lighten things for the nation by broadcasting every single episode of 'Gavin and Stacey'. The BBC are totally deluded.
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12/12/2020 22:28:16 49 16
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Such a shame we don't have such experts running the country.
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12/12/2020 22:48:21 33 28
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The problem with the scientists is that 5hey don’t do economics and social behaviour. The problem with the gov is that they (all politicians) is that they are amateurs who should have an oversight and not a leadership role. The US system (not the elections!) appoints experts to lead gov depts
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12/12/2020 23:09:48 1 3
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Oooh, how sarky are you...
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12/12/2020 23:09:52 5 14
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You'd rather have SAGE and its motley band of political analysts, social scientists, car-carrying communists and clowns like Neil Ferguson with his STUNNING track record of laughably inaccurate predictions?
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13/12/2020 00:07:53 5 11
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Experts by nature have a VERY narrow field of expertise. They miss the bigger picture.
We none experts live in the bigger picture.
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13/12/2020 00:55:11 0 2
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Its such a shame we do
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12/12/2020 22:29:35 20 18
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Any relaxation of restrictions make it more likely there will be another lockdown in January.

Keep a lid on it!
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12/12/2020 23:06:35 3 9
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The government will just use new tactics to inflate the numbers, like they've been doing all along and people like you will believe everything they read on propaganda websites such as this.
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12/12/2020 22:30:24 7 7
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Jan lockdown is guaranteed because we don’t spend much money usually. Likely to go on for 4 weeks with a 4 week review. Likely to go until March when there will be a full exit from all tiers and ‘normal’ life will resume as the vaccination will have been deployed.
The economy will be destroyed, anyone under 50 will pay for this for a very, very long time.
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12/12/2020 22:34:32 2 2
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UK finally settled its WW2 loans 2006.So yes you maybe right.
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12/12/2020 22:40:54 2 2
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March 2022, maybe
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12/12/2020 22:41:02 4 2
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We're in this for the long haul way past March there might be enough people vaccinated by autumn with a slow reduction in guidelines until late next year
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12/12/2020 23:11:33 2 1
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Will the UK be the only country whose economy will be trashed after this?
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12/12/2020 22:30:37 27 18
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Relaxing Christmas was an economical decision. Not looking forward to the repercussion in January and February.
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13/12/2020 00:16:09 10 2
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It’s a psychological decision not an economic one, they know vast numbers of people are already breaking rules and a lot of peoples patience is wearing thin, this olive branch of 5 days is a way to try and limit rule breaking and keep compliance with lockdowns. Carrot and stick approach.
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12/12/2020 22:27:19 88 25
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There is no second wave or 3rd wave .. Its a continuation of all political leaders to deal with the original outbreak ....
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12/12/2020 22:30:41 62 11
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More of a Mexican wave.
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12/12/2020 22:30:59 248 17
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Third wave? Has the second ended then? As far as I can tell, the current restrictions have done no more than hold it at c.20,000 a day....so it will just ratchet up to 30,000?
Easily if the stats are falsified as they have been for the past year. Removed
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13/12/2020 02:42:58 27 9
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I don't get it. We are literally weeks away from vaccinating the vulnerable. Why reopen now and kill them off just before they get the vaccine?

We all know the 5 days of Christmas will lead to absolute slaughter.
Mad
13/12/2020 08:00:51 10 18
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Any proof that restrictions have had any effect? Lockdown what did that do?
Apart from the obvious destruction & indirect deaths I'm still waiting to see any real evidence of 1 positive effect
13/12/2020 09:05:35 7 1
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Technically we’re still on the first wave (in England) as we continued to have daily infections and deaths throughout the year.
13/12/2020 11:18:27 5 2
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If you're running a marathon, you don't start off a sprinting pace.

The government went overboard with lockdown 1 - too long, too restrictive and too costly - and now has to deal with opposition, non-compliance and apathy towards all new measures.

I doubt they could have enforced lockdown 2 for any longer tham they did, and our hope of keeping the rate down lies with hoping people are sensible
13/12/2020 17:36:08 2 1
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Lol and bbc reports s Korea 'emergency' when cases there reach 1000.
Cases in UK are 21, 000 bbc!!
Some context or was s Korea story look!! A squirrel!!
BBC hasn't reported accurately global covid situation. I was in Taiwan Feb to June 2020 light & day difference to stupid UKgov.
Everything was open.. Bars, mcd, cinemas, shops, public mass events.. Effectively normal life. Ukgov.. World beating
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12/12/2020 22:31:00 217 24
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Is this news? Of course there will be a third wave after Christmas.
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12/12/2020 23:02:16 95 206
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Yes because the "experts" have already decided.
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12/12/2020 23:17:27 15 3
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Yes. The new is that NHS Providers have written a letter to the PM.
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13/12/2020 03:46:51 6 20
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You can have anything you like when you manipulate the statistics, as has been done throughout to keep the hard of thinking scared with the help of a compliant media.
13/12/2020 13:07:10 0 1
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There's already a 3rd wave now.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
13/12/2020 17:57:07 2 3
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1st wave isn't over yet , there is no 2nd or 3rd or 4th it is the same pandemic , and clearly many governments are struggling to contain it adequately as so many bozo's don't wish to follow the simple guidelines, then the same nuggets get all uppity when a lockdown is imposed.
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12/12/2020 22:31:25 126 73
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Be fair to the rest of the country and get London in tier 3.

Bozo, did not want to be the PM who cancelled Christmas, instead he will be the one who killed granny by relaxing the rules.
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12/12/2020 22:45:17 121 10
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From what I hear granny has realised the risk and will not be meeting their families
13/12/2020 07:43:09 12 9
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You know granny will still die?
Ask her if she wants to outlive her grandchildren!
13/12/2020 08:54:16 22 4
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I think Grannies have a deal more common sense than most people posting on this site. They’ve been through world wars, extreme austerity, rationing, dealt with poverty none of us will ever experience, nuclear crisis, other certain death pandemics etc. They’ve seen it all. Covid is just one more ‘crisis’. Let them decide how they wish to spend the rest of their lives.
13/12/2020 09:06:33 16 7
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So tired of this ageism. Most ‘grannies’, other than those stuck in institutions, are perfectly able to make their own risk assessments and decisions. They do not need to be told what to do by patronising government minsters and the like.
13/12/2020 09:46:09 7 3
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You obviously haven't understood the process for allocating tiers.

Up North the NHS was under severe strain and at danger of collapsing under covid admissions. That is not the same Down South (yet) Also the demographic of those getting Covid is substantially different.

Please keep up.
13/12/2020 10:44:03 4 10
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I've seen my grandmother every week since this whole thing began. So has my sister. OMG MY GRANDMA'S STILL ALIVE. weird no? Maybe it's because I'm not slipping her the to gue like you lot obviously are?
13/12/2020 11:26:46 5 9
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his legacy will be the PM who presided over the highest death toll in europe
13/12/2020 12:16:48 1 3
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The one group that will be taking a risk based approach to their decisions are the "Grannies". They will choose whether or not to meet with their families. They will make a decision based on risk and reward. eg 25% chance of catching, 10% chance of dying if got it = 2.5% chance of not seeing another Xmas. At 80 they already have an 8% chance of not seeing another Xmas. So where is the risk?
13/12/2020 17:23:32 3 0
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Meeting people at Christmas isn't compulsory you know! People can assess the risk and choose accordingly. Just because you can do it does't mean you have to. With a vaccine on the way it's probably a good idea to be careful.
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12/12/2020 22:31:32 15 30
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I suggest the highly paid NHS bosses go live in North Korea. Leave the rest of us to get over this mild virus in peace. Step one stop the daily reporting of cases and deaths.
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12/12/2020 22:33:36 15 8
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Are you for real?
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12/12/2020 22:31:58 12 12
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I’m hoping that some extremely intelligent and intellectual individuals are going to call this money making enterprise in my lifetime. It’s social engineering and it’s appalling.
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12/12/2020 22:27:16 941 303
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When will people ever wake up?

COVID-19 doesn't care how bored you are.
Doesn't care if you want to fly abroad.
Doesn't care if you feel lonely.
Doesn't care if it's Christmas.
Doesn't care even if the Chancellor's money printing press finally packs in.

Only by staying in and keeping clear of other people can we combat this contagion. The medics can't do everything all the time.
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12/12/2020 22:32:01 451 913
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So you want everyone to stay at home for the rest of time? What sort of a life is that? Do that if it suits you but don’t impose such stupidity on others
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12/12/2020 22:34:48 196 43
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The vaccine is here. The end is in sight. We've got this far, let's not be selfish this late in the game
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12/12/2020 22:36:24 197 37
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But it's not for the rest of time. It's for a few months until the majority have been vaccinated.
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12/12/2020 22:39:15 141 82
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And yet...15 people already have approved my comment. In fact, every single time I call on people and politicians to continue with lockdown, I receive LOADS of thumbs ups. Not everyone is an "I Me Me Mine"
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12/12/2020 22:49:18 118 34
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No brain chap - look at the prospect of NHS NOT coping - you fool
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12/12/2020 23:47:19 21 5
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Stupidity is stating the OP wants people to stay at home "for the rest of time", when they neither said or intimated such.
With the roll out of vaccination, it will be at most a few months before large parts of society can return to something close to the previous norm.

Please try a little patience give up with the drama...
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13/12/2020 00:05:17 15 7
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yours is the stupid comment!!!
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13/12/2020 00:51:50 10 23
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I cant believe how many down arrows this received, You scared of your own damn shadows stay in masked up and let the rest of us crack on with our lives.
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13/12/2020 02:06:26 18 3
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Are you sure you belong to the same nation that, in the past, produced the heroic villagers of Eyam? Why are you so willing to ignore good advice just when we may be at the beginning of getting this under control. New Zealand locked down hard, almost everyone obeyed the rules and they can now go out and about as normal. Perhaps if so many weren't willing to do the opposite we'd be nearer normal.
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13/12/2020 06:40:03 11 3
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its the stupid who exaggerate with claims like the" rest of time" who need to stop imposing their irresponsibility on the rest of us.Its temporary until the vulnerable have been vaccinated.
13/12/2020 08:03:41 5 3
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Not forever plank, just until it's under control and vaccine is in full flow, have you not learnt anything?
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12/12/2020 22:32:13 6 7
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Oh the third wave but we havnt been spun to blame a certain group yet ,we have done students ,beach ,pub goers
Maybe we could all blame santa this time....just a thought ??
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12/12/2020 22:35:23 3 4
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Blame the welsh ????????
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12/12/2020 22:32:18 7 8
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Supply chain issues mean final mile deliveries are showing signs of failure, threatening arrival in time for Christmas. This will push people into shops as they desperately try to buy in time for the 25th. Packed shopping centres over the remaining days on top of relaxed rules over the festive period will results in a huge increase in cases, especially among older relatives. Time for a rethink!
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12/12/2020 22:35:09 13 11
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Quite simply - forget Christmas there will be another one - goodness me how irresponsible can people be ..... oops how silly of me British public cannot be told not to do anything - Pathetic
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12/12/2020 22:33:30 429 77
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When are London & the south east going to be put into tier 3? The north/south divide is so evident!
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12/12/2020 22:35:51 159 33
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Hooefully on the 16th dec
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12/12/2020 22:43:44 19 12
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South East is not all the same - most counties are still below the North and Midlands. I’m 80 miles from the areas of Kent that are worst affected. London needs to be in T3.
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12/12/2020 22:54:33 11 10
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The whole country will be locked down instead. Special rules for London.
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12/12/2020 23:09:19 19 13
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Kent is the south east and in tier 3. In fact in our part of Kent the cases have risen since we went into that tier. We cannot move out with schools open, but ideology says they must stay that way. My son now has two cases in his ,small, sixtth form, but the school says only a few children should isolate.
when all this is over the government will pay in more ways than one.
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12/12/2020 23:46:02 11 2
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Kent in tier 3 and it is clearly not working! More cases in Maidstone now than before the lockdown at the end of October too
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12/12/2020 23:51:44 16 17
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Inconvenience Londoners and the S.E. ? Are you mad, These are the people Tory "governments" are elected to look after, they are important, if they stop "'work" millions of tons of paper will go unused. Paper mills may have to close, and these are essential, unlike Shipyards, Steelworks, Coal mines, Wool or Cotton mills. Can you imagine thousands of civil serpant's, eating in a soup kitchen. ?
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13/12/2020 01:46:08 12 36
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Most of the south is much safer than the north, we need not be put in tier 3 at all down here. Maybe it's time for the North to clean up it's act! I've been all over up north and it's filthy.
Mad
13/12/2020 07:54:33 4 10
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Why is there a need for any restrictions apart from common sense if you're ill which I believe is what normally happens every year, any real proof that these restrictions have done anything positive? I thought not
13/12/2020 09:05:24 7 1
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Kent is already in tier 3 and the way the numbers are going it looks like it will continue to be.
13/12/2020 09:22:32 3 2
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Don't even club the south coast in with London.
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13/12/2020 09:42:39 2 1
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Kent is in tier 3
13/12/2020 10:41:38 4 2
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Bristol is in tier 3 despite lower figures than much of London. A lot of it is down to hospital figures but I think BJ's concern for public opinion is overriding common sense where London is concerned
13/12/2020 12:03:58 2 2
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I live in the South East and we are in Tier 3 thank you!
13/12/2020 12:24:53 3 3
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Yes big north/south divide going on. This morning on the radio they were talking to families who were riding on a 'santa express, covered in thousands of lights'. It is also possible to go to panto and the theatre in London. Yet, just look at the amount of cases, yesterday my town had 25, Greenwich had over 60?
13/12/2020 12:42:46 1 2
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Boring
13/12/2020 14:07:01 1 1
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Here in Kent we are in tier 3 but it’s useless if you can still go Christmas shopping and the trains still go in and out of London. Put London in tier 3 as well...
13/12/2020 15:26:11 1 1
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Oh dear, this northern chip on the shoulder is so boring. Maybe someone will invent a vaccine against it one day.
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13/12/2020 17:54:19 0 0
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Depends on available beds in NHS. The north were close to saturation point, hence tier 3. London has more capacity it seems.
13/12/2020 18:01:17 0 0
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Cos Westminster doesn't care about the North?
13/12/2020 20:06:23 0 0
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and it’s being reinforced every day by Doris the dim and his ship of fools
13/12/2020 20:30:51 0 0
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Yawn...
13/12/2020 20:53:17 0 0
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Don’t be fooled, it’s the opposite. Boris & Co happy to let the pensioners die, it’ll release housing and save on pensions! Think 65000 pensions saved so far. I recon that’s saved approximately £600million. Without factoring health care or additional support.
13/12/2020 21:10:18 0 0
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When are london......... Who gives a 4X. Virtually no difference between tier 2 and tier 3 for the people I know in London . Will continue to see friends , grandparents etc who they trust in there own homes. Not going now for a restaurant meal as far greater risk than entertaining a couple of like minded / trustworthy friends at home . Leave the stupid , thick etc to do there own thing .
13/12/2020 21:36:33 0 0
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How? I'm in the south and we are in tier 3. Along with lots of other places
13/12/2020 21:52:02 1 1
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When we start ignoring the rules like the northerners did I expect.
13/12/2020 23:05:50 0 0
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So Kent is not in the south?
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12/12/2020 22:31:32 15 30
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I suggest the highly paid NHS bosses go live in North Korea. Leave the rest of us to get over this mild virus in peace. Step one stop the daily reporting of cases and deaths.
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12/12/2020 22:33:36 15 8
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Are you for real?
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12/12/2020 22:33:46 944 55
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Whilst I accept the logic in the not moving tiers for public health reasons, if London is not moved into Tier 3 this week and Greater Manchester and other areas with big drops in cases remain in Tier 3 then it is a farce. They have already sacrificed hospitality here to covid so why is London immune from this?
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12/12/2020 22:42:24 396 185
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It’s not just about cases, it’s about the ability the NHS has to tackle hospital admissions.
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12/12/2020 23:28:48 45 6
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I'd bet money that London and Essex will more into tier 3.
though possibly they government become a bit keener on restrictions based on smaller areas and only put certain boroughs into tier 3.
Don't know if they'll move areas down into tier 2. Manchester gets all the attention for some reason, but you could make even better arguments for areas like Warwickshire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire.
cos exactly that, they are largely immune. Its been through there already. Removed
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13/12/2020 00:46:15 10 3
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I'd say Essex was a cert to move to Tier 3; whilst London is rising the cases are overall still comparable to Greater Manchester, based only on the current infection rate London and Manchester should be in the same Tier (probably 2); however Boroughs close to Essex and Kent should move up to Tier 3 under the logic that they are close to hotspots; these are the same areas where cases are rising
581
13/12/2020 00:48:29 27 3
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Looking at London today all sat outside having a break from xmas shopping , having a beer outside , i felt like we are totally being taken the "P" out of.
649
13/12/2020 01:22:48 9 27
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Blame Andy Burnham.
665
13/12/2020 01:31:43 18 16
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“Sacrificed hospitality”? Are you aware many people don’t want to go to pubs, bars and restaurants during a pandemic?
736
13/12/2020 02:23:39 13 34
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Because London is the financial backbone of the country and Manchester isn't. You can't shut London down and they won't. Unfair? Probably but logical.
749
13/12/2020 02:43:27 9 8
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Tiers are all pointless
759
13/12/2020 03:00:43 7 5
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london is immune cause it included westminster and parlialment and we know mall mps are exempt,cant understand why 2 faced bojo the yank dictator and hancock were not the first 2 on the vaccine list,something wrong here
811
13/12/2020 04:46:05 8 10
bbc
Tier lockdowns are political and have little to do with Covid. Only The Sun readers think otherwise
926
13/12/2020 07:14:22 12 1
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We in Staffordshire have 7 prisons. We are in Tier 3 because if there were a Covid crisis amongst prisoners the hospital in Stoke could be overwhelmed. So we are locked down, our small businesses, pubs and restaurants closed to make sure prisoners can have a bed. The number of cases in our District are coming down all the time, just a few deaths which is sad but expected.
Mad
13/12/2020 07:47:35 7 5
bbc
Any proof that any interventions have worked? I don't believe there's any proof
13/12/2020 08:43:44 5 1
bbc
The trouble with London and an uncomfortable truth for politicians is that whilst hospitals in London, may still not be at full capacity; the movement of people in and out of the capital spreads the virus to the neighbouring areas. London needs to be placed in Tier 3.
13/12/2020 09:35:58 1 2
bbc
“Maybe it’s because i’m a Londoner, just walking up and down”? They really DON’T get it do they down Sarf? Cor blimey Guvnor!
DG
13/12/2020 10:09:58 2 1
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It was alrady a farce. London rates when we came out of lockdown indicated it would go in to tier 3. However, the Gov taken a Monetary view and put them in to tier 2 - some will dies because of the politacal decision
13/12/2020 10:11:44 1 3
bbc
The fact that London is only just getting up to where the North West is just getting down to is part of it.
13/12/2020 10:22:05 0 4
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London will be getting moved into tier 3. Don't worry you can have your party to celebrate. (or maybe you can't). This is just another excuse to have a pop at London isn't it.
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12/12/2020 22:34:14 819 75
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'Relaxing restriction COULD unleash third wave.'

I think the third wave is pretty much nailed on for January.
Yeah, they'll just continue including flu and pneumonia deaths to bolster the numbers. Removed
587
13/12/2020 00:49:44 9 44
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Where is the second wave???
684
13/12/2020 01:45:07 5 20
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Yep more control for fascists who will wet their pants in anticipation.
763
13/12/2020 03:04:52 2 16
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lockdown is going to be every 2 months until 2099,sorry as they havent got a clue as what ist it or how to stop it,and do you know why,they are so called EXPERT MPs,oh just one hancock never worked in the HNHS but he is the true expert MP in parliament
Mad
13/12/2020 07:51:49 3 8
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And your evidence of a 3rd wave is based on what? Media or evidence
We've hardly finished or had a so called second wave, experts predict even worse than the first 50k a day cases or 4k deaths when were they then & I suppose the 3rd will be even worse then.
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13/12/2020 10:35:57 1 1
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I don't think the first wave ever really ended
13/12/2020 11:34:14 0 2
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roll on herd immunity.
baz
13/12/2020 11:58:38 2 2
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Yeah, a 3rd wave of next to no symptoms for almost everyone that catches this disease....
13/12/2020 12:09:48 4 3
bbc
There are no "waves". This is an endemic virus that is killing just as many people as die from various ILI in Winter. Just get used to it and stop hiding away.
13/12/2020 13:04:51 0 2
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We're already in the 3rd wave. The drop has stopped, flattened and is gearing up again now.
13/12/2020 13:23:09 3 0
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Germany, viewed by many to have handled the pandemic well, are going into lockdown now, the spike believed to have been caused by Xmas shoppers. I think it’s inevitable that the UK will suffer again in early January.
13/12/2020 16:42:47 0 0
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Wow another scientist entering the debate - Not
13/12/2020 17:11:49 0 0
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Lol lve lost count!
Tiers don't count as lockdowns?
Taiwan hasn't had a lockdown.
Just 7 covid deaths, just 2% gdp fall.
Everything was open Feb to June, l was there. Pubs, shops, cinemas, hospitals, mass public events.
BBC reports s Korea (just 500 covid deaths) 'emergency' where covid cases spiked to 1000.. Omitting to mention UK has 21,000 cases lol. Which is the emergency bbc!!?
13/12/2020 17:36:54 0 0
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So what there will be no economy soon 92% of people who die are 60 and over .Life span is 3score and 10 .We cannot live forever
13/12/2020 20:00:53 0 0
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and the fourth and the fifth until we forget what it was like to have freedom!
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12/12/2020 22:30:24 7 7
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Jan lockdown is guaranteed because we don’t spend much money usually. Likely to go on for 4 weeks with a 4 week review. Likely to go until March when there will be a full exit from all tiers and ‘normal’ life will resume as the vaccination will have been deployed.
The economy will be destroyed, anyone under 50 will pay for this for a very, very long time.
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12/12/2020 22:34:32 2 2
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UK finally settled its WW2 loans 2006.So yes you maybe right.
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12/12/2020 22:32:01 451 913
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So you want everyone to stay at home for the rest of time? What sort of a life is that? Do that if it suits you but don’t impose such stupidity on others
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12/12/2020 22:34:48 196 43
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The vaccine is here. The end is in sight. We've got this far, let's not be selfish this late in the game
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12/12/2020 23:14:01 6 23
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Yawn
241
12/12/2020 23:16:13 5 21
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We are not late in the game if you think like that, get on with your life, time is precious
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12/12/2020 22:32:18 7 8
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Supply chain issues mean final mile deliveries are showing signs of failure, threatening arrival in time for Christmas. This will push people into shops as they desperately try to buy in time for the 25th. Packed shopping centres over the remaining days on top of relaxed rules over the festive period will results in a huge increase in cases, especially among older relatives. Time for a rethink!
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12/12/2020 22:35:09 13 11
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Quite simply - forget Christmas there will be another one - goodness me how irresponsible can people be ..... oops how silly of me British public cannot be told not to do anything - Pathetic
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12/12/2020 22:37:46 3 2
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Try telling that to my good friend whose husband dropped dead last week of a heart attack. Nobody can guarantee another Christmas.
850
13/12/2020 05:50:51 1 2
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Thanks for that generalisation. Once you make a Putin like rise to power then you can control everything the British public does but until then (respectfully) wind your neck in.
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jay
12/12/2020 22:32:13 6 7
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Oh the third wave but we havnt been spun to blame a certain group yet ,we have done students ,beach ,pub goers
Maybe we could all blame santa this time....just a thought ??
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12/12/2020 22:35:23 3 4
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Blame the welsh ????????
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:35:24 19 18
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We need another lockdown really. Letting COVID run riot over the 5 day christmas period is plain stupid. (and sorting out the christmas fallout from COVID and the fallout from BREXIT at the same time in Jan/Feb is pretty stupid as well!)
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12/12/2020 22:39:21 11 11
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Who says it will run riot? Most people I know maybe inviting people who are close relatives but in very small numbers and nothing like normal.
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12/12/2020 22:41:53 3 4
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No we need to shield the vulnerable and lockdown and tiering is an incredibly blunt way of doing that.
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12/12/2020 22:35:48 12 12
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Humanity can’t control nature and it’s just arrogant and naive to think we can. So let’s just get on with it.
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12/12/2020 22:37:37 5 2
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??
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:40:09 4 2
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Whats this got to do with nature? Human's are pretty far removed from what nature intended for them. This is a man made crisis, due to man's stupidity of the ways it treats animals.
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12/12/2020 22:51:34 0 2
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So we can’t control the climate then?
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12/12/2020 22:33:30 429 77
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When are London & the south east going to be put into tier 3? The north/south divide is so evident!
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12/12/2020 22:35:51 159 33
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Hooefully on the 16th dec
13/12/2020 10:34:45 6 2
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Hopefully? How does it effect you exactly? By the way, just so you know. You might hate us in the South East. We never did, but your constant jealous fits and moaning non stop is making us hate you back.

FWIW where I live now has a rate of 43/100k. One of the lowest in the country. And yet I'm still stuck in poxy tier 2.

We are ALL getting f d over. Stop your jealous nonsense.
13/12/2020 14:53:16 0 0
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Wow you are a super optimist. The goalposts will have moved by then.
13/12/2020 20:42:16 0 0
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“Hopefully”?
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12/12/2020 22:27:08 32 11
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It's party season coming with the Christmas relaxation drop any tier 3 down to tier 2 and they are partying from the relaxation into the new year, then we can have the next lockdown end Jan. Keep it as it is and put places into tier 3, it's too much of a risk especially as the vaccine is being rolled out now
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12/12/2020 22:35:51 40 6
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Party season? Every pub, restaurant and other hospitality venues have been closed here since October. It is far too late to rescue most of them now. Might as well stay closed until January for the few that are left.
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12/12/2020 22:32:01 451 913
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So you want everyone to stay at home for the rest of time? What sort of a life is that? Do that if it suits you but don’t impose such stupidity on others
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12/12/2020 22:36:24 197 37
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But it's not for the rest of time. It's for a few months until the majority have been vaccinated.
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12/12/2020 22:41:38 37 177
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You have too much faith in science. We can’t control something like this. Plus the vaccine will only be rolled out to rich countries. Get real.
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12/12/2020 23:16:41 4 13
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A few months, very unlikely..
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13/12/2020 07:18:57 1 7
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A FEW MONTHS ? To vaccinate 67 million people in " a few months" Would mean Vaccinating a MILLION PEOPLE A DAY. 100,000 people a day is a huge task,at that rate it will take 2 years to vaccinate everyone,then the people who had the jab first,will miss out on their booster,which everyone will have to have every year.
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12/12/2020 22:36:25 2 3
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Most people dont do something just because they can. Why is the pandemic any different?
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12/12/2020 22:36:46 27 12
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Relaxing Covid restrictions could trigger a third wave of the virus during the busiest time of year for hospitals, NHS bosses have warned.

So why relax the rules at Christmas then? All politics as they know everyone will ignore the rules.
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12/12/2020 22:40:45 21 5
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You relax the rules because you want most citizens to stay within the rules. Ban Christmas and many people will meet anyway and will never follow the rules again. Amazed that gov has not considered shielding as an alternative as most older people are happy with that as they understand the risk of meeting
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12/12/2020 22:37:04 5 3
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I would never have guessed...
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12/12/2020 22:37:23 11 6
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Covid is for life, not just Christmas.
590
13/12/2020 00:50:53 3 1
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A Scotch Egg a day keeps the Covid away..!
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12/12/2020 22:27:05 13 15
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For Pete’s sake, let’s get the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc etc etc waves over and done with. Let some of us survive economically at least
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:37:30 6 2
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As you said , "some" and "us" !
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12/12/2020 22:52:53 0 1
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That is not what was said though was it ?
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12/12/2020 22:35:48 12 12
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Humanity can’t control nature and it’s just arrogant and naive to think we can. So let’s just get on with it.
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12/12/2020 22:37:37 5 2
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??
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12/12/2020 22:35:09 13 11
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Quite simply - forget Christmas there will be another one - goodness me how irresponsible can people be ..... oops how silly of me British public cannot be told not to do anything - Pathetic
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12/12/2020 22:37:46 3 2
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Try telling that to my good friend whose husband dropped dead last week of a heart attack. Nobody can guarantee another Christmas.
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jay
12/12/2020 22:37:55 1 4
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See i call it...
sewing the seeds,lets build some momentum hey bbcover the third wave??????
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TPB
12/12/2020 22:37:58 3 7
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So 'Although the letter stopped short of arguing for a review of the temporary relaxation of restrictions over Christmas, ' so they are sitting on the fence. Like Labour ( or are they actually a Labour group)...), sitting on the fence waiting to see which how events unfold, Too cowardly to state a policy now. Government does not have that luxury. Labour/BBC just criticise government.
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12/12/2020 22:44:50 2 3
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Government job (who ever they are) is to govern responsible this Buffoon has no idea - forget BBC / Labour get real and be responsible. NOT irresponsible. Interesting Welsh government actually considering repealing three family idea .... sadly no guts with Buffoon government to address this .... if rates rising say should not be done!!!! Oh sorry cannot upset anyone though - PATHETIC
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12/12/2020 22:38:04 658 71
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We have viable effective vaccines now being offered to vulnerable and high risk people. Is it too much to ask to be sensible for another three months? By March we should have a combination of an increasing percentage of the population protected, and better weather, so we can spend more time outside in fresh healthier air.
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12/12/2020 23:02:33 192 591
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Nah, theyll find a reason to keep on restrictions. They enjoy the power too much to give it up. They ll do it for flu next year as well just to help out the poor old NHS.
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12/12/2020 23:07:19 35 29
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Yes "just another three months." Remember "three weeks to save the NHS?"
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12/12/2020 23:20:19 5 26
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Yes it is
457
13/12/2020 00:02:03 19 20
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No way will we be back to normal until 2022. If you think otherwise your not reading enough. Global shortage of vaccine by April.
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13/12/2020 04:40:18 22 5
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Better weather will help a lot for ventilation and clearing stuffy houses.

Sadly it will be more like twelve months. Nothing to do with shortages or conspiracies, just that we can't vaccinate everybody (who can/wants to) that fast and can't relax restrictions until as many as possible are done. 3 months gets us the over 50's and vulnerable, but that leaves 70% that could overwhelm NHS capacity
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13/12/2020 05:47:27 11 23
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"we have viable effective vaccines"?

have you been reading the BBC website again?
13/12/2020 08:41:50 4 2
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If only we could be sure it’s only for another 3 months. Do you really believe that?
13/12/2020 11:54:13 0 2
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Spot on ??
13/12/2020 13:09:54 1 2
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People do as they like. My area is in tier 2 but it was full of people from tier 3 when I was at work last night. If asked why there are there and they shrug and say why not?
13/12/2020 14:19:55 0 2
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Obviously too much for some. Many people are in a terrible position for staying at home, without enough space, heating or food, but I don't get the feeling they're the ones doing the complaining. What comes over is "No-one is going to interfere with my God-given right to do as I like".
13/12/2020 17:50:14 1 0
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"Is it too much to ask to be sensible for another three months?"

I've always been sensible. But it is not sensible to stay at home, do very little & isolate yourself from other people.

So yes, it is may too much to do as you want people to do. Even for 3 months.

And it won't end there will it matey ?
13/12/2020 18:36:03 0 0
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By March all those poor people who have genuinely deadly diseases & are terminally ill because of late/non diagnosis due to the media, PHE & SAGE scaremongering & 'our NHS' becoming a COVID only service will be occupying all the critical care beds, so we'll still all be locked in. No doubt PHE will be frantically testing them for COVID so that they can ghoulishly pretend that's what killed them.
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12/12/2020 22:38:04 4 10
bbc
Interesting experiment in human behaviour. People understand lockdowns & most abide by the rules. When you are heading out of lockdown & are told as ‘reward’ you won’t be able to mix with friends and family until Easter then there is a backlash. The uptick in cases traces back to Nov 26 when the tiers were announced & not from lockdown easing. Gov & scientists have lost the support of the people.
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12/12/2020 22:38:06 744 85
bbc
The media were on a win-win with this one, and they knew it, if the government had kept the restrictions tighter over the holidays the headlines would have been “ Tories have cancelled Christmas”. Now, the with obvious conclusion that loosening the restrictions will create more issues in the new year, the media can role out the “experts” criticising the government for not cancelling Christmas.
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12/12/2020 23:05:03 409 77
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The Government could get their revenge on the media by super taxing them to help pay off the debt caused by their scaremongering. Perhaps if Cameron hadn't ignored Leveson they'd never have behaved like they've done this year in the first place.
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12/12/2020 23:15:21 32 56
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Oh yeah, totally win-win for "The Media". I'm sure they're all rejoicing about this pandemic that's making life horrible for everyone, praying the pandemic never ends, so they can keep getting good headlines. Talk about cynicism masquerading as wisdom.
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Ben
13/12/2020 06:48:17 37 4
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The media have been wholly irresponsible. Hooray - Christmas is Back On, Hooray We've Got a Vaccine = these messages are interpreted by many as It's All Over. Third wave and a third lockdown in mid January. Like the last wave and lockdown, entirely avoidable.
Indeed. The River Class boats patrol our waters controlling fishing on behalf of the EU, we didn’t suddenly build them to spite France. Boris and Ursula signed an agreement last week that nothing will change for 12 months regarding access to fish. The River Class boats will do the same job, applying the same rules, to the same fishing boats. But the media want to call it gunboat diplomacy. Removed
Bob
13/12/2020 09:02:28 16 1
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Why ''experts ''? These are the docs and nurses telling us about the very predictable consequences of relaxing the rules.
13/12/2020 09:30:09 6 3
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It's not about media headlines. It's about saving lives and jobs. Anyway, most of the media is controlled by or sympathetic to the Tories, so the most favourable light towards them is usually presented. The sensible thing is to follow the science rather than be 'guided' by it.
13/12/2020 09:47:14 6 3
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Completely true. We've had government by the media throughout. They scream for lockdown till they get it, and then immediately start screaming again to know when it will be lifted. Gets clicks, sells papers.
The whole panic always has been primarily about the NHS, not about vast numbers of people dying solely OF Covid. Time to reorganise the unfit-for-purpose NHS radically and fund it properly.
13/12/2020 10:00:12 2 1
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I think you are wrong people would have supported the Government because most sensible people will lock down anyway.
13/12/2020 10:43:37 1 5
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The government are the chief scaremongers
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13/12/2020 11:48:14 4 1
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This was all predictable back in September.
The gov't could have acted then but didn't.

The question is why?
13/12/2020 12:04:24 0 3
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That's delusional mate
13/12/2020 12:27:54 2 5
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And why shouldn't they have cancelled Christmas. Hindus and Muslims had lockdown for Diwali and Eid so what makes Christmas so special? At least Hindus and Muslims celebrate the religious connotations of Diwali and Eid rather than a large chunk of the population who are just interested in the consumerism of Christmas
13/12/2020 15:29:19 2 0
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Time the media stoped with the guilt trip and top tips like feed 'them' turkey outside. I live alone and I'm going to spend some of Christmas Day with friends and I'm already isolating to do that, I know I'm lucky to do so. Not everything fits a neat do or don't do it - there are more things than C19 to think about - mental health for one, so don't cancel Christmas, unless you want to!
13/12/2020 17:16:07 0 0
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Lol ukgov / bj the clown 'promised' short lockdown and near normal Xmas.
Politically it will be huge fail to lockdown over Xmas, also see re branding lockdown to tiers.
Current 'experts' are allowed airtime (when usually they'd be blocked, censure, opposed, sacked) to advise to continue lockdown over Xmas. Seems ukgov too cowardly to tell the truth.
Apart from admit huge 11 month covid fails.
13/12/2020 17:49:27 0 0
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100% right. You took the words right out of my mouth
13/12/2020 19:36:32 1 1
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Honestly, Christmas should have been cancelled. The Archbishops could have been wheeled out to tell everyone we'll have Christmas in the summer instead.
13/12/2020 20:09:13 2 0
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Zero mention of Italy's death toll surpassing UK today...
13/12/2020 20:45:40 0 0
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The press pushed for Christmas, daily headlines! They are culpable along with poorly management by the government from the beginning !
13/12/2020 22:44:59 0 0
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We have the worst government in living memory. Any criticism is more than justified.
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12/12/2020 22:38:36 17 17
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Irresponsible, irresponsible, irresponsible - the buffoon and Dad’s army government giving “GREEN” light to third wave by allowing three family groups to mix. We will regret this end of January / February. When will we learn???
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12/12/2020 22:38:55 25 14
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"Thank goodness we can celebrate Christmas" but "think very carefully before initiating such contact over the Christmas period." Nicola Sturgeon: "no extension for New Year's Eve as the virus isn't going anywhere". A five day temporary relaxation achieves nothing except a potential third wave, unfortunately.
You voted her, you live with the ginger moron. Removed
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13/12/2020 04:06:54 1 1
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Very few celebrate Christmas, most use it for a good time, religion doesn't come into it.
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12/12/2020 22:32:01 451 913
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So you want everyone to stay at home for the rest of time? What sort of a life is that? Do that if it suits you but don’t impose such stupidity on others
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12/12/2020 22:39:15 141 82
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And yet...15 people already have approved my comment. In fact, every single time I call on people and politicians to continue with lockdown, I receive LOADS of thumbs ups. Not everyone is an "I Me Me Mine"
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12/12/2020 22:49:58 39 159
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If everyone avoids each other for ever more, we will stop having a food production and distribution chain. You will starve in your isolation. The virus will keep going around the world because poor people won’t get it , I’m not being selfish. I’m being realistic
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:35:24 19 18
bbc
We need another lockdown really. Letting COVID run riot over the 5 day christmas period is plain stupid. (and sorting out the christmas fallout from COVID and the fallout from BREXIT at the same time in Jan/Feb is pretty stupid as well!)
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12/12/2020 22:39:21 11 11
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Who says it will run riot? Most people I know maybe inviting people who are close relatives but in very small numbers and nothing like normal.
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12/12/2020 22:45:06 3 3
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It only takes a few Rita Ora's or Kay Burley's to be infected and up it all goes again.
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12/12/2020 22:24:07 16 18
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“ Relaxing Covid restrictions could trigger a third wave of the virus”

I think you’ll find that should be WILL trigger a third wave!

Why do people think the virus will repose differently just because it’s Christmas?

LOCK DOWN NOW
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12/12/2020 22:40:52 1 2
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And PS - cancel covid
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12/12/2020 22:41:59 1 1
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PPS - if the government did lock down now and people ignore it over Christmas, then they will ignore it forever in Jan feb etc, it will be game over.
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12/12/2020 22:54:00 1 3
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Why do you lock down fanatics think a lock down will stop the virus? Look at the death figures of your beloved EU Italy: similar to UK.
Oddly enough, I don't hear the usual vitriol targeted at the Italian leadership for having the highest death figures in Europe. Now why would that be, oh remoaner?
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12/12/2020 23:08:04 2 3
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Yes because the lockdowns have been so effective eh?
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12/12/2020 22:39:59 0 10
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Here we go, we wanted to let you have a normal Christmas, and you know what, yea go on have a pass for free association over Christmas. Oh sh&t it could (will) kill all the boomers et al! Ok everyone, put out the stories that we think it’s a bad idea, then when we change the policy they won’t be surprised and or disappointed. Christmas cancelled by the tories, there’s an election keeper!
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12/12/2020 22:48:59 2 3
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Better to cancel Christmas than loose loved ones!
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12/12/2020 22:35:48 12 12
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Humanity can’t control nature and it’s just arrogant and naive to think we can. So let’s just get on with it.
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:40:09 4 2
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Whats this got to do with nature? Human's are pretty far removed from what nature intended for them. This is a man made crisis, due to man's stupidity of the ways it treats animals.
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12/12/2020 22:43:30 1 4
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Rubbish. It’s nature that creates viruses.
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12/12/2020 22:36:46 27 12
bbc
Relaxing Covid restrictions could trigger a third wave of the virus during the busiest time of year for hospitals, NHS bosses have warned.

So why relax the rules at Christmas then? All politics as they know everyone will ignore the rules.
57
12/12/2020 22:40:45 21 5
bbc
You relax the rules because you want most citizens to stay within the rules. Ban Christmas and many people will meet anyway and will never follow the rules again. Amazed that gov has not considered shielding as an alternative as most older people are happy with that as they understand the risk of meeting
13/12/2020 09:20:37 0 1
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Shielding again is not a bad idea, but remember there are working age people in the extremely vulnerable category. They would need to be given sufficient financial support to go back into shielding, otherwise they continue to face the choice between paying the bills and keeping themselves safe.
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12/12/2020 22:30:24 7 7
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Jan lockdown is guaranteed because we don’t spend much money usually. Likely to go on for 4 weeks with a 4 week review. Likely to go until March when there will be a full exit from all tiers and ‘normal’ life will resume as the vaccination will have been deployed.
The economy will be destroyed, anyone under 50 will pay for this for a very, very long time.
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12/12/2020 22:40:54 2 2
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March 2022, maybe
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12/12/2020 22:30:24 7 7
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Jan lockdown is guaranteed because we don’t spend much money usually. Likely to go on for 4 weeks with a 4 week review. Likely to go until March when there will be a full exit from all tiers and ‘normal’ life will resume as the vaccination will have been deployed.
The economy will be destroyed, anyone under 50 will pay for this for a very, very long time.
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12/12/2020 22:41:02 4 2
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We're in this for the long haul way past March there might be enough people vaccinated by autumn with a slow reduction in guidelines until late next year
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12/12/2020 22:31:06 17 13
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Its odd that the country and our politicians believe a few days of relaxation to "enjoy" Christmas is worth the thousands of additional deaths ans economic hardship that will inevitably follow
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12/12/2020 22:50:19 7 9
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" thousands of additional deaths ans economic hardship", lol, you really sucking the Tory/Labour fear-mongering.
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12/12/2020 23:05:38 4 4
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Thousands? Probably a couple of thousand at most. You seem to have forgotten that the economic hardship is caused by the lockdown. You have to strike a balance between deaths (sad of course) and the living death of poverty. You and many others just won't do that.
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12/12/2020 23:06:09 0 4
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Er, to explain Frank, you get excess deaths if you don’t have lockdowns, you get economic hardship if you do have lockdowns. Opposites, see? That’s how this works..,
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12/12/2020 22:41:30 6 5
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There will be wave upon wave until the end of days. Lucky we have vaccinations rolling out and hopefully worldwide in good time, not just the UK.

Below average journalism here.
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12/12/2020 23:03:09 0 3
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You really think the whole world will get vaccinated?
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12/12/2020 22:41:32 8 9
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NHS bosses couldn't care less about their own staff, never mind the rest of us. Cut them to 80% salary like so many others & then listen to them scream!
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12/12/2020 22:36:24 197 37
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But it's not for the rest of time. It's for a few months until the majority have been vaccinated.
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12/12/2020 22:41:38 37 177
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You have too much faith in science. We can’t control something like this. Plus the vaccine will only be rolled out to rich countries. Get real.
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12/12/2020 22:48:19 147 22
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We are a rich country, and the vaccine is being rolled out here. So if we hang in there for three months there is genuine hope we cam get back to some kind of normality.

Or we can all party or go to the pub. Mind you my local hospital is quite full, so if you will excuse me I will stay home for now!
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12/12/2020 23:43:17 10 2
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I would guess you're in a rich country, vaccines being rolled out, have patience for a few months.
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12/12/2020 23:48:17 11 6
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Utter, utter nonsense.

Get real.
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13/12/2020 02:10:22 16 2
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You are not well informed. The AZ/Oxford vaccine will be available at cost (less than £4) and the WHO are working to make it available to poorer countries. We can control diseases, we've eradicated smallpox, found cheap treatments for cholera, almost eradicated polio. SARS and MERS are under control. All this is real.
13/12/2020 08:04:33 2 1
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Like this one???
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:35:24 19 18
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We need another lockdown really. Letting COVID run riot over the 5 day christmas period is plain stupid. (and sorting out the christmas fallout from COVID and the fallout from BREXIT at the same time in Jan/Feb is pretty stupid as well!)
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12/12/2020 22:41:53 3 4
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No we need to shield the vulnerable and lockdown and tiering is an incredibly blunt way of doing that.
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12/12/2020 22:42:05 13 10
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Interesting that everyone keep saying with families getting together at Christmas will definitely lead to a third wave because apparently they will definitely all infect each other so we should ban it, yet the current surge is being blamed on high school children but there has not been one call to close schools where it is actively circulating.
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12/12/2020 22:48:19 8 8
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Having fun spreads the virus, and don't you dare contradict the vicars and Labour supporters because they know better than you, ok?
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12/12/2020 22:53:06 0 1
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And they are thinking of putting whole areas in Tier 3 just as the schools break up for Christmas.
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12/12/2020 22:33:46 944 55
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Whilst I accept the logic in the not moving tiers for public health reasons, if London is not moved into Tier 3 this week and Greater Manchester and other areas with big drops in cases remain in Tier 3 then it is a farce. They have already sacrificed hospitality here to covid so why is London immune from this?
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12/12/2020 22:42:24 396 185
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It’s not just about cases, it’s about the ability the NHS has to tackle hospital admissions.
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12/12/2020 22:53:27 88 7
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Hospital admissions are down in every areas in Greater Manchester and they were not full before. Add on cases have almost halved in the last month and hospital admissions will drop further.
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12/12/2020 22:57:00 69 38
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At no point have the NHS struggled to deal with 'cases' and that's not even mentioning that data strongly suggests the majority of infections have been coming from hospitals.
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12/12/2020 23:42:01 14 3
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How many beds short in the London, and the S.E. corner of U.K. 3-5 10. ? How many in the North East. 3.000, 5.000, 10.000 ? Waiting list now for a lot of people over a YEAR. ? How many of these are in London. ?
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12/12/2020 23:49:05 79 6
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Which simply highlights the disparity in healthcare provision between London and everywhere else -per capita too

What's London's excuse for getting all the hospitals?
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JB
13/12/2020 01:11:43 6 1
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London on the brink
Of struggling
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cba
13/12/2020 01:31:54 14 5
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So are you saying the south has better hospitals with better staff?
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13/12/2020 02:44:18 2 7
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Are all of those admitions necessary
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13/12/2020 03:59:51 9 1
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Wonder why you think NHS could cope with an influx of Covid cases in SE?

Either you are insinuating that NHS staff are better in SE or that Manchester is under resourced?
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13/12/2020 05:42:47 18 2
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So you're saying that hospitals in London are better than those in Manchester and Lancashire then?

Up here in Lancaster we're in tier 3 yet have very low cases and the hospital is virtually empty.

Covid has highlighted something that everyone outside of London knows, the country is broken and London is treated too well at the determent of the rest of the UK, Brexit will smash this gap wide open!
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Dan
13/12/2020 06:15:16 9 5
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The NHS has far more beds free and capacity than last year which as far as I remember was not a year of perpetual "deadly pandemic"

We know for a fact the lockdowns are based on dodgy data & hugely exaggerated projections of deaths, not to mention the tens of thousands of false positives created by testing en masse, the 1+ million tests a week we have now is statistically over 10K false positives
13/12/2020 07:51:04 12 1
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So why at 9 million in London, compared to Manchester’s 2/3 million, are we having these problems?
Because they cut back repeatedly
Levelling up is a farce, they cut us off ten years ago
mc
13/12/2020 07:46:39 2 3
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more lies thats an excuse
13/12/2020 07:55:54 6 1
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Exactly. So what is being done to ensure that the rest of the country has the same levels of resourcing in its hospitals that London has.
13/12/2020 09:15:32 0 2
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HMMM. The ability of the NHS to manage. Says it all.
13/12/2020 09:16:19 1 1
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We will be in lockdown every winter then as I work in the NHS and there are no fewer emergency beds than any other year. Protect the vulnerable and let everyone else live their lives
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12/12/2020 22:27:59 269 142
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The way the BBC rabidly reports these stories makes you think that they just want the whole of the UK in total lockdown having the most miserable Christmas ever, so they can have a storyline to run with.
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12/12/2020 22:42:47 201 82
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Spot on - it’s a near obsession with the media
13/12/2020 15:09:29 2 2
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What a load of crap you write.
13/12/2020 17:55:50 0 1
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Or ukgov?
Is bbc independent of ukgov?
Odd bbc spends near 10% of public license on.. Ukgov mandated World service.
BBC mostly doesn't allow comment or discussion on news site, iplayer etc from 'customers' who are forced to pay for its service. A journo expresses a narrative.. No discussion is offered to UK public.
13/12/2020 20:11:52 0 0
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Yes, because they have been bought and paid for by Doris!
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DJL
12/12/2020 22:42:55 1591 239
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For the 1st time in 50 yrs my wife and I will have Xmas on our own. My children will be having Xmas alone with their families.
It is all about common sense and a bit of responsibility.
I think may sensible people will act responsibly over Xmas but throughout this pandemic it hasn't been the sensible folks who have spread the virus
" but throughout this pandemic it hasn't been the sensible folks who have spread the virus".
You know this, do you? You got any proof or just spouting mask-fanatic gibberish?
Asking for a friend.
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12/12/2020 22:51:59 125 24
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And I will be totally alone, with not a single person to talk to. First Christmas alone in my nearly 67 years of life. I'm not even going to bother about making a special meal for one.
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12/12/2020 22:53:52 151 16
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I’m on my own - just me (and four cats as it was when I was in lockdown). My bubble is going to family and as a shielder I’m not risking going to other friends or neighbours and their families even though I could. Several neighbours are going it alone this year too.
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12/12/2020 23:07:55 62 185
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You are so perfect, well done
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12/12/2020 23:16:37 260 26
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I think we all have to ask ourselves the questions....

What can I do to keep myself free of covid?
How do I make sure I do not spread covid?

The sad thing is we all know the answer is not to have a big family gathering at Christmas. So perhaps the real question is...How much do we value the lives of our family members? And in particular the older members.
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12/12/2020 23:28:17 265 43
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Amazingly, 19 people downvoted your comment. I guess personal responsibility isn't big with some folks.
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12/12/2020 23:48:19 9 65
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Dullards don't spread a thing.
Yawn. Give it a rest boomer Removed
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Dee
12/12/2020 23:56:23 31 97
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Biggest spreaders; schools, universities, hospitals, care homes. But keep curtain twitching on your neighbours, you never know.
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PJB
13/12/2020 00:41:03 8 37
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Do you go shopping?
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13/12/2020 00:45:12 25 60
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That's your choice, Spend Christmas with your family , Stop fearing and live. before it's to late.
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13/12/2020 02:47:11 3 27
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I have much loved family which I will gladly sacrifice for a future
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13/12/2020 02:54:46 13 16
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Like the 'sensible' hospital managers who sent the old people into care homes without checking whether they were infected?
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13/12/2020 05:45:59 9 13
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you don't need to do this.

many politicians have already set an example.
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13/12/2020 07:24:03 15 41
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Viruses do not do waves. Stop believing what we are being told by the government and the pathetic journalists who should be challenging, not just regurgitating the narrative.
Minimal deaths in London now which surely proves herd immunity.
Nothing any government in any country affected the mortality. You can not hide from a virus.
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13/12/2020 07:25:23 0 4
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13/12/2020 07:43:02 4 2
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I totally agree with you comment DJL.
13/12/2020 07:51:52 11 5
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Well done to you and your family for doing the right thing.
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12/12/2020 22:43:17 448 56
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I think we've all learnt by now, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The media just locks on to the opposite side and runs with that.

Anyone remember when the media took a break and was actually reporting the news when all this started?
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12/12/2020 22:45:02 143 25
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I can't remember that.
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12/12/2020 22:46:14 13 12
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Cannot argue with that irresponsible government even more irresponsible media ..... PATHETIC
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12/12/2020 23:00:44 24 2
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I am still waiting to hear Kay Burley's view on the subject.
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12/12/2020 23:12:06 23 12
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You are spot on there, this whole charade is being prolonged by the BBC, sky etc...
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13/12/2020 05:49:57 15 1
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BBC website traffic stats are good to look at. bbc.co.uk dropped from about rank 100 towards rank 150 when lockdown started in march, and the week the vaccine was announced, went from about 150 to 140. well, I think it's interesting anyway.

conclusion: the BBC was printing stuff people didn't want to read

OR

the BBC was presenting information in a WAY that people didn't want to read.
13/12/2020 09:39:54 12 3
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Laura Kuenssberg . . . Aaaaaargh! Isolate her in The Tower - please!
13/12/2020 13:12:15 6 3
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Nope. From day one they were determined to spin a narrative of governmental incompetence, despite every other country that utilised lockdowns performing just as badly.
13/12/2020 15:22:50 3 0
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Must admit I don't remember when the broadcast media was actually reporting news rather than its preferred political propaganda. You have to go back quite a few years for that.
13/12/2020 15:38:24 1 0
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Media of all types need to be made accountable for the lies and dangerous opinions they spread. The owner of many UK media outlets has too much influence over the UK and other nations.
13/12/2020 17:27:03 0 0
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Media don't report truth.
Covid Xmas.. Is politically toxic to ukgov, as yet another fail.
Yet experts have been allowed without censure, opposition, sacking to express Xmas advice. Seems ukgov too cowardly to tell the truth.
SE Asia Inc ozz n nz coped with less deaths, less economic damage.
Majority UK covid deaths & debts are down to ukgov stupidity lates, u turns, fails, enforcement.
13/12/2020 17:49:32 1 0
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The media have not reported the news since the late 1970s since the likes of Rupert Murdoch got involved.
What you see and hear now are opinion pieces , and people have become so adjusted to believing that these pieces are actually the news , especially millennials and with the onslaught of the internet it really is difficult to get a proper actual non biased news report these days.
13/12/2020 20:05:35 0 0
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The media have been bought by Doris which is why they never report on all his previous wives and kids
13/12/2020 20:26:04 0 0
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The Oxford dictionary should consider replacing the word journalist with sc#m bags
13/12/2020 21:15:16 0 0
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So true
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MrK
12/12/2020 22:40:09 4 2
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Whats this got to do with nature? Human's are pretty far removed from what nature intended for them. This is a man made crisis, due to man's stupidity of the ways it treats animals.
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12/12/2020 22:43:30 1 4
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Rubbish. It’s nature that creates viruses.
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12/12/2020 22:47:51 1 3
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Not this one
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12/12/2020 22:33:30 429 77
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When are London & the south east going to be put into tier 3? The north/south divide is so evident!
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12/12/2020 22:43:44 19 12
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South East is not all the same - most counties are still below the North and Midlands. I’m 80 miles from the areas of Kent that are worst affected. London needs to be in T3.
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12/12/2020 22:51:11 17 3
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Neither is Greater Manchester all the same!
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Bob
12/12/2020 23:31:48 27 5
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If you look at cases then you might think London needs tier 3.

If you look at what metrics they use to determine tiers then London does not need tier 3.

Hospitalisations is lower than other tier 3 areas, even some tier 2 areas. The age of the bulk of infections is lower.

However it is now clear that areas like Manchester should exit tier 3 at the scheduled review point.
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12/12/2020 22:44:17 54 37
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This needs to be stopped now.

We need to live
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12/12/2020 23:24:26 57 32
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Except those who die because you "need to live"

Wear a damn mask, give the pub a miss for a few months, and stop being so bloody selfish!!
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12/12/2020 22:44:24 13 9
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And if didn't "trigger 3rd wave", it would lead to climate catastrophe, Zzzzz
We are ruled by morons. Never have we needed a freedom party as we do now. Hippies are ruling our lives - yet they are a dumb minority.
Please, Nigel, Lawrence Fox - anybody, just help us out of this repressive status quo. We need to live, resurrect the human project. Progress, not nostalgia.
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12/12/2020 23:00:41 1 5
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Er, which hippies? BlowJo and the ERG are the other end of the spectrum... and the food chain fir that matter
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12/12/2020 22:44:29 5 6
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Back in March SAGE said there would be 8 waves. Even with a Vaccine the NHS IT system just can't cope. This situation will go on for years unfortunately. Lets just hope the vaccine doesn't mutate.
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12/12/2020 22:59:24 2 2
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A mutating vaccine is science fiction.
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12/12/2020 22:51:45 0 1
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Vaccine mutate? Err what?
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12/12/2020 23:03:10 0 1
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Why 8 ? The mystic number is 7........or 14...........or 28...........infinity
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TPB
12/12/2020 22:37:58 3 7
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So 'Although the letter stopped short of arguing for a review of the temporary relaxation of restrictions over Christmas, ' so they are sitting on the fence. Like Labour ( or are they actually a Labour group)...), sitting on the fence waiting to see which how events unfold, Too cowardly to state a policy now. Government does not have that luxury. Labour/BBC just criticise government.
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12/12/2020 22:44:50 2 3
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Government job (who ever they are) is to govern responsible this Buffoon has no idea - forget BBC / Labour get real and be responsible. NOT irresponsible. Interesting Welsh government actually considering repealing three family idea .... sadly no guts with Buffoon government to address this .... if rates rising say should not be done!!!! Oh sorry cannot upset anyone though - PATHETIC
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12/12/2020 23:02:40 0 1
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The Welsh Government who have just have had just a "firebreak", claiming it will work, but are now overseeing increasing rates daily ! Run by none other than Labour drip Drakeford (the man who can't keep his own son out of prison, even though he is a criminal).
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12/12/2020 22:43:17 448 56
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I think we've all learnt by now, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The media just locks on to the opposite side and runs with that.

Anyone remember when the media took a break and was actually reporting the news when all this started?
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12/12/2020 22:45:02 143 25
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I can't remember that.
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12/12/2020 22:39:21 11 11
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Who says it will run riot? Most people I know maybe inviting people who are close relatives but in very small numbers and nothing like normal.
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12/12/2020 22:45:06 3 3
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It only takes a few Rita Ora's or Kay Burley's to be infected and up it all goes again.
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12/12/2020 22:38:04 5 6
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Does this government have any plan?
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12/12/2020 22:50:09 3 4
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No
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12/12/2020 22:54:24 1 1
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yes, suck it and see.
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12/12/2020 22:39:31 3 3
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Stop covid
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12/12/2020 22:31:25 126 73
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Be fair to the rest of the country and get London in tier 3.

Bozo, did not want to be the PM who cancelled Christmas, instead he will be the one who killed granny by relaxing the rules.
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12/12/2020 22:45:17 121 10
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From what I hear granny has realised the risk and will not be meeting their families
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12/12/2020 23:23:37 16 11
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Many grannies and grandads do not have the luxury of locking themselves away as they are raising their grandchildren. These grandchildren are forced to be in schools where there are cases daily, yet the schools are told they MUST stay open.
13/12/2020 11:26:02 13 2
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My wife is Grandma and I’m keeping her safe by not having my daughter and her family here for Christmas lunch. That way we are hoping to have many more Christmas meals in following years. The physicians and scientists are all urging caution before the population is fully protected with a vaccine. It’s a simple cost benefit analysis you are risking spread of a lethal virus vs 5days Xmas celebration
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12/12/2020 22:43:17 448 56
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I think we've all learnt by now, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The media just locks on to the opposite side and runs with that.

Anyone remember when the media took a break and was actually reporting the news when all this started?
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12/12/2020 22:46:14 13 12
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Cannot argue with that irresponsible government even more irresponsible media ..... PATHETIC
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12/12/2020 23:24:08 10 10
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Still had to get your anti-gov dig in ??????half the readers will agree at least
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12/12/2020 22:46:35 67 30
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The Christmas free for all is just a crazy idea in the current situation and should be scrapped! We will all suffer for this in the New Year.
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12/12/2020 22:53:05 49 112
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You will suffer in your sad little head, the rest of us will have a nice Christmas, seeing those people who are happy to see us. if you're scared s**tless at the thought of human contact that's your choice but DO NOT tell me and mine how to live and yours, especially as you don't know how to live your own.
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12/12/2020 22:53:06 7 9
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why if you have no symptoms, the family you are spending time with have no symptoms whats the problem?

Just keep talking, common sense.
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12/12/2020 23:21:44 3 6
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Yawn
13/12/2020 17:01:10 0 7
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JUST SPARE A THOUGHT FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO ARE LONELY AND ARE DESPERATE TO SEE THEIR FAMILIES AT XMAS AS THEY MAY NOT BE HERE NEXT YEAR.COVID IS NOT THE ONLY THING IN THE WORLD. IF YOU WANT TO BE ON YOUR OWN,THATS UP TO YOU.NOBODY IS GOING TO DICTATE TO ME HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
AJS
13/12/2020 23:22:17 0 0
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It's not exactly a free for all - a few extra people can meet up over the season - that should *if people are sensible* be no worse than most shopping trips and better than schools
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12/12/2020 22:24:07 16 18
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“ Relaxing Covid restrictions could trigger a third wave of the virus”

I think you’ll find that should be WILL trigger a third wave!

Why do people think the virus will repose differently just because it’s Christmas?

LOCK DOWN NOW
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12/12/2020 22:40:52 1 2
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And PS - cancel covid
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12/12/2020 22:24:07 16 18
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“ Relaxing Covid restrictions could trigger a third wave of the virus”

I think you’ll find that should be WILL trigger a third wave!

Why do people think the virus will repose differently just because it’s Christmas?

LOCK DOWN NOW
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12/12/2020 22:41:59 1 1
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PPS - if the government did lock down now and people ignore it over Christmas, then they will ignore it forever in Jan feb etc, it will be game over.
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DJL
12/12/2020 22:42:55 1591 239
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For the 1st time in 50 yrs my wife and I will have Xmas on our own. My children will be having Xmas alone with their families.
It is all about common sense and a bit of responsibility.
I think may sensible people will act responsibly over Xmas but throughout this pandemic it hasn't been the sensible folks who have spread the virus
" but throughout this pandemic it hasn't been the sensible folks who have spread the virus".
You know this, do you? You got any proof or just spouting mask-fanatic gibberish?
Asking for a friend.
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You have a friend?! ?? Removed
It's of course just the standard sheep-like response we've come to expect from these lunatics. Removed
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12/12/2020 23:38:37 1 13
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Is he a doctor ?
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Stu
12/12/2020 23:55:12 102 28
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Royston, to use the term "mask-fanatic" is a ridiculous insult. It is selfish, foolish and dangerous to not follow the science - wearing masks does absolutely save lives and helps reduce the spread of the virus. I guess you're a fan of Pres. Trump.
Sounds like the usual face mask wearing pious brigade to me. About time they left everyone in peace Removed
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12/12/2020 23:57:47 35 60
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Shock, horror the virus spreads! It will spread, that is what it evolved to do. Even in Germany with a track and trace we are told is faultless, deaths are at UK level, they just don't report it the same way. France, Belgium, Italy, Spain are also at similar levels of cases and deaths. It is NOT careless people's fault. A virus will do this no matter what.
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13/12/2020 00:16:39 62 13
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Sensible people wouldn’t be spreading it as much as irresponsible people. That’s obvious.
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13/12/2020 01:33:11 54 13
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“Mask fanatic” - happily “fanatical” about not killing other people.
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13/12/2020 02:09:06 56 14
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At time of seeing you are cruising on 45 up votes and 167 down votes. Maybe its time for you to re-evaluate your world view. Wearing a mask is no big deal buddy and yes the popular opinion amongst the general public is that the good ground obtained by lockdowns is being squandered by folk such as you. Deal with it.
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13/12/2020 07:23:40 8 1
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Ask for yourselve....... That's were the problems are.... No personal responsibility
980
13/12/2020 07:37:26 8 1
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Not really rocket science is it? You got any proof or just calling yourself sir to make yourself feel important?
13/12/2020 07:42:41 3 3
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So do you not believe any science at all? Do you believe scientists when they say that Yellowstone super volcano will erupt sometime for example.
Mad
13/12/2020 07:46:22 14 4
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People can't handle the truth that nature will take its course & need to blame someone
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12/12/2020 22:43:30 1 4
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Rubbish. It’s nature that creates viruses.
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12/12/2020 22:47:51 1 3
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Not this one
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12/12/2020 22:42:05 13 10
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Interesting that everyone keep saying with families getting together at Christmas will definitely lead to a third wave because apparently they will definitely all infect each other so we should ban it, yet the current surge is being blamed on high school children but there has not been one call to close schools where it is actively circulating.
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12/12/2020 22:48:19 8 8
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Having fun spreads the virus, and don't you dare contradict the vicars and Labour supporters because they know better than you, ok?
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12/12/2020 22:41:38 37 177
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You have too much faith in science. We can’t control something like this. Plus the vaccine will only be rolled out to rich countries. Get real.
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12/12/2020 22:48:19 147 22
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We are a rich country, and the vaccine is being rolled out here. So if we hang in there for three months there is genuine hope we cam get back to some kind of normality.

Or we can all party or go to the pub. Mind you my local hospital is quite full, so if you will excuse me I will stay home for now!
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12/12/2020 22:51:35 10 72
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And I’m the one accused of an i, me, mine attitude?
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12/12/2020 23:17:30 10 16
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Fine, stay at home.
13/12/2020 07:47:12 0 2
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???? U.K. is a rich country not sure how you came to that conclusion. Sure our credit rating is good but it’s dropping and always lags behind the debts piling up. We don’t have money to invest in the nhs anymore. So stay home this Christmas realise we are a poor country now and save the nhs yet more work dealing with Covid
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12/12/2020 22:28:16 49 16
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Such a shame we don't have such experts running the country.
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12/12/2020 22:48:21 33 28
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The problem with the scientists is that 5hey don’t do economics and social behaviour. The problem with the gov is that they (all politicians) is that they are amateurs who should have an oversight and not a leadership role. The US system (not the elections!) appoints experts to lead gov depts
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13/12/2020 02:23:15 7 3
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No it doesn't. Most of them are political appointments by the administration.
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13/12/2020 07:41:20 6 1
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Are you actually implying that the US has handled the pandemic successfully ?? Really ??? Grow up
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13/12/2020 07:42:03 4 2
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Except for the economic and behavioural scientists.
Even in engineering we covered behaviour in passing. The problem scientists have is Blair and Major's national curriculums have produced a thick populous!
13/12/2020 07:50:11 3 1
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....and you dont even need a university degree to be a politician / minister and doesnt it show?
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12/12/2020 22:48:31 13 10
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more doom and gloom, they are administering the vacine to the venerable and Key workers as we speak, it will take time.

However with a 99.9 survival rate for everyone who isn't high risk we should be ready to get back to normal in 3 months.

Negative miserable mood hoovers saying the same rubbish.

The end of the tunnel is in sight
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12/12/2020 22:51:55 3 7
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how on earth is it 99.9%, give your head a wobble, not everyone has had the virus
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12/12/2020 22:59:46 4 1
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Three months? We should start getting back to normal in three days!
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12/12/2020 23:05:03 2 1
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Theyll never unlock. Your old life is gone for good. The State knows best now.
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12/12/2020 22:39:59 0 10
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Here we go, we wanted to let you have a normal Christmas, and you know what, yea go on have a pass for free association over Christmas. Oh sh&t it could (will) kill all the boomers et al! Ok everyone, put out the stories that we think it’s a bad idea, then when we change the policy they won’t be surprised and or disappointed. Christmas cancelled by the tories, there’s an election keeper!
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12/12/2020 22:48:59 2 3
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Better to cancel Christmas than loose loved ones!
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12/12/2020 23:11:24 1 1
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I will loose my loved ones if I want. Freedom for all!
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13/12/2020 07:16:48 0 1
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Loose them to do what?
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12/12/2020 22:32:01 451 913
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So you want everyone to stay at home for the rest of time? What sort of a life is that? Do that if it suits you but don’t impose such stupidity on others
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12/12/2020 22:49:18 118 34
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No brain chap - look at the prospect of NHS NOT coping - you fool
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12/12/2020 22:53:52 37 113
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The NHS failed years ago
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12/12/2020 22:49:35 4 7
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just cancel xmas move it to April after all lots o weddings and birthday celebrations had to be postponed or cancelled. think 5 days of celebrating is stupid, as for some it will be their last.
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12/12/2020 22:49:42 7 5
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That third wave was already programmed in with xmas and new year to come up whatever restrictions are in place.

our NHS was overloaded due to
lack of transparency,
lack of accountability,
Job hedging,
autocracy,
bureaucracy,
mismanagement
permanent political interference by setting useless targets ignoring staff
restructuring and colossal wasting of resources and finance on prolific projects.
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12/12/2020 22:59:34 1 2
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And centralisation, all is send into a hospital crating super spreading events or at most important disabling the most vital care due to covid

Even for none surgical simple xray, ultrasound, blood test taking, pre-natal, non full anaesthetic day surgery, therapies, even an toe nail and so on
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12/12/2020 22:39:15 141 82
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And yet...15 people already have approved my comment. In fact, every single time I call on people and politicians to continue with lockdown, I receive LOADS of thumbs ups. Not everyone is an "I Me Me Mine"
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12/12/2020 22:49:58 39 159
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If everyone avoids each other for ever more, we will stop having a food production and distribution chain. You will starve in your isolation. The virus will keep going around the world because poor people won’t get it , I’m not being selfish. I’m being realistic
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12/12/2020 23:39:23 8 3
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Hong Kong flu. They found a vaccine for that in 1968 which is included in the flu vaccine each year. Don't you do your research before writing things. 60,000 died of the Hong Kong flu before the vaccine now its around 7,000 a year. Now the Spanish flu multated once to often after killing over 50 million people and died out that is what they think.
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12/12/2020 23:53:01 25 3
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You're hysterical.
Nobody has said "for ever more".
Food production has continued throughout lockdowns & tiers.
Distribution hasn't been interrupted to any great extent.
It's an outright lie that "poor people" won't be vaccinated.

Those are the facts, not the apocalyptic & silly fantasy you're postulating.
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13/12/2020 02:12:01 11 3
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Are you an essential worker or just missing a night with the lads down the pub?
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12/12/2020 22:50:01 13 5
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I love the way kay Burley gets off lightly. The media clearly protect their own.
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12/12/2020 22:55:24 8 6
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“The media clearly protect their own.”

Like the police

And the army

And the tories
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12/12/2020 22:38:04 5 6
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Does this government have any plan?
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12/12/2020 22:50:09 3 4
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No
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12/12/2020 22:31:06 17 13
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Its odd that the country and our politicians believe a few days of relaxation to "enjoy" Christmas is worth the thousands of additional deaths ans economic hardship that will inevitably follow
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12/12/2020 22:50:19 7 9
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" thousands of additional deaths ans economic hardship", lol, you really sucking the Tory/Labour fear-mongering.
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12/12/2020 23:05:20 4 5
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"Deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test."
It's astounding how otherwise intelligent people can't grasp the deception at play here.
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12/12/2020 22:43:44 19 12
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South East is not all the same - most counties are still below the North and Midlands. I’m 80 miles from the areas of Kent that are worst affected. London needs to be in T3.
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12/12/2020 22:51:11 17 3
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Neither is Greater Manchester all the same!
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12/12/2020 22:51:11 7 5
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Who IS actually governing this country - Johnson's inept gang of hard right thugs or the NHS tedious 'what if, what if' doom merchants? Either way the UK is screwed - 'God help us in the Future'.
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12/12/2020 22:54:33 0 4
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If BoJo put enough effort into dealing with this mess as he did with Brexit he could yet salvage his reputation. Sadly....