Brexit: No-deal navy threat 'irresponsible', says Tobias Ellwood
12/12/2020 | news | politics | 10,595
A senior Conservative says deploying gunboats to patrol UK waters after 31 December is "undignified".
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12/12/2020 15:50:50 28 45
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Better park HMS Gammon, hopefully a shot across the bows of our idiot government.
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12/12/2020 15:59:59 21 8
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What do you mean Gammon? Are you stereotyping a group of people based on their appearance? I think that has a name...
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12/12/2020 15:51:10 751 46
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three River Class patrol ships with a crew of 45 sailors already work "at least 275 days a year at sea enforcing British and European fisheries law". so no diff protecting UK territory....
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12/12/2020 16:12:01 690 963
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Boris is trying emulate his hero, Donald Trump.

Trump builds a wall, Boris deploys the navy.

Trump lies and hopes no-one will call him out. Boris does the same.

Trump lost the election and will stand down.

How long until Boris does the same.

We live in hope!!
12/12/2020 16:42:25 4 4
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Boats, aircraft, helicopters + a sophisticated radar system that tracks the fishing vessels as they leave port. That should cover the job nicely. It doesn't pay to try and get one passed the Andrew!
12/12/2020 17:15:32 2 9
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Daily Mail headline: "We'll Send In Gunboats"
Express headline: "Gunships To Guard Our Fish"
12/12/2020 17:46:43 2 0
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So why issue a statement?
12/12/2020 17:52:51 0 2
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But they still cannot stop illegal migrants,
12/12/2020 18:02:40 3 2
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You are allowed to protect your Borders - it's international law. Most of these people trying to cross into the USA are poor. The Catholic Church has encouraged them to not practice birth control and should therefore dig deep into the Vatican's huge wealth and help them out!
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12/12/2020 15:51:11 23 41
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How utterly ridiculous this is. Sending gunboats against a friendly nation. Why can't the fishing situation be left the way it is ? Nobody is suffering. Johnson is now looking really foolish.
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12/12/2020 16:01:51 15 6
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You don't know how to negotiate do you?
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12/12/2020 16:03:58 11 3
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You clearly haven't seen the changes over the last forty years in fishing communities!
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12/12/2020 16:09:09 13 3
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A friendly nation? One that is prepared to invade another country's waters to fish illegally? One that (even whilst the UK was a member of the UK) stopped and burned lorry loads of UK lamb and surrounded and bombarded UK scallop fishing vessels that were fishing legally in their waters?
12/12/2020 20:06:56 5 1
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You consider the French friends? Perhaps the individuals are but not their Government(s). Think of their friendly acts in the 1950s (De Gaulle who was recued by Britain in the Second World War did everything he could against Britain), the Falklands, etc., and that's only recent history. Macron is just a power crazy idiot who thinks the EU will bring him personal wealth.
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12/12/2020 15:51:25 9 22
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Let's invade EU!
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12/12/2020 15:51:29 19 25
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"Robust enforcement"

So they are ready to fire ? Once they do that, the UK is the pariah of Europe.

Find another way.
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12/12/2020 15:51:42 23 31
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English Nationalism is running rampant.
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12/12/2020 15:57:19 24 7
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As is the French, German, Italian, Greek, Belgian and Spanish etc. etc.
Your point?
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12/12/2020 15:51:02 19 30
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Seriously, Britain needs rehab!
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12/12/2020 15:56:55 25 5
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Really!? If somebody is breaking into your house, do you stand there applauding them in and out?
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12/12/2020 15:51:06 8 18
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Whatever next? Gunboat diplomacy?
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12/12/2020 15:51:51 7 13
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This gunboat diplomacy must give the loose cannons the horn.
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It is a precaution which should be taken. I think it is likely some stubborn French boats will breach international law and start fishing in our waters if there is a no deal.
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12/12/2020 16:01:51 546 692
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How is it hard to understand that French fishing boats use UK waters because they bought licences to do so. Thatcher ran down our fishing industry, like all traditional industries, so they sold their licences. It's be wrong to renege on those private deals, just because the buffoon in charge of the UK is too self-absorbed to do a public deal with the EU, to save the other 99.8% of the economy.
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12/12/2020 16:02:28 23 30
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Which would you prefer, a few fish being "nicked" or the ports of Calais, Boulogne & Dieppe being blockaged ?
I am not for either but French fishermen have a history of maing their views known. If French boats are intercepted too early after the new situation, these feelings could be rapidly expressed
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12/12/2020 16:03:00 51 70
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I have a horrible feeling that the country needs to reach rock bottom before it gets its senses back. The deployment of gunboats against our nearest neighbour would be one idiotic step along the way.
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12/12/2020 16:05:48 23 15
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Whats happens then if we detain French boats. The French start blocking their ports so we won't get the goods
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12/12/2020 16:17:13 5 6
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Actually if you want to fly from UK to Europe come January the French fishing boats will be there. All part of extension on offer. No fishing no flights. Read a bit
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12/12/2020 16:26:18 1 3
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Not likely, certain. then they will blockade ports it is what they do.
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12/12/2020 16:28:22 9 0
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They will be breaching UK law not international law. Contrary to the last few decades, from 1st January the UK will be able to enforce any law it chooses in its own territory.
12/12/2020 16:33:10 7 0
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You have to be prepared to enforce the rules and naval patrol boats are just about the only way. I would assume the French Navy is preparing to stop stubborn British boats fishing in their waters, which they are equally entitled to do.
12/12/2020 16:34:17 6 1
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Nothing stubborn about the boats- It's the stubborn Frenchies who will be the problem.
12/12/2020 16:35:52 7 1
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Exactly , which is why they will be boarded and their boats confiscated. Seems very very fair to me.
12/12/2020 16:47:16 0 1
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Unbelievable that something that ends up coated in batter and deep fried (accompanied with pommes frites) is causing so much emotion.
12/12/2020 17:33:19 0 1
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Really? Is that what you truely believe? Based on your years of intimate details of French diplomatic relations?

Thought not
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12/12/2020 15:52:02 35 34
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Vote of no confidence coming up. Good riddance to the worse pm in the history of the U.K.

Starts by promising sunny uplands and easiest deal in history, ends with port blockades, food and medicine shortages, mass unemployment and navy dispatched. Shameful
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12/12/2020 15:57:29 14 6
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and the EU had no responsibility?
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12/12/2020 15:57:45 1 4
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There are not enough decent MPs to remove the Conservatives
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12/12/2020 15:58:57 7 3
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Bojo isnt trying to keep the minority remoaners happy, he's in power because of the leave voters, and he's doing a good job on Brexit, many thought he'd sell out like Treasonous May. It's the leave voters that will decide when he goes. France says they will continue to plunder UK waters regardless.. I get you're on the EUs side, that's why you keep losing.
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12/12/2020 15:52:05 24 27
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My heart dropped when I read this, Tory's manufacturing a conflict to whip up support from the gammons.
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12/12/2020 15:56:04 18 4
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France had stated they will continue to plunder UK waters regardless... We get it, you're a sell out and on the EUs side.. You have no influence and the majority don't care what you think. :)
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12/12/2020 15:57:37 0 4
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The gammons of the future. Will have a totally different mind set. The way time quickly passes by. It will be sooner rather than later. But sadly not soon enough.
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Wouldn’t trust anyone who is called Tobias Removed
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12/12/2020 15:52:10 877 174
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Yes a bit over the top. But the EU decided they can still fish in UK waters with no consultation with the UK if there was going to be a no-deal, which was published the day before..
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12/12/2020 15:56:02 576 251
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The EU’s show of ‘unity’ is a façade, the rhetoric from Brussels is simply putting more and more strain on the EU itself.

O’ to have been a fly on the wall during the last Council meeting.
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12/12/2020 15:56:25 31 20
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Well a lot of their members were sold the rights so...
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They bought the rights to fish there by international agreement.
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12/12/2020 16:01:43 51 41
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Is it honestly believed the EU will eventually explain to the heads of state:

“Sorry folks, we couldn’t sign the FTA with our largest export market for we are afraid that they might have slightly different regulations at some point years in the future. Sorry about that but hey we’ve got a project to preserve.”

Wonder how well that would REALLY go down?
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12/12/2020 16:02:30 17 5
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No they didn't. That was their proposal. They didn't DECIDE anything.
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12/12/2020 16:03:43 36 41
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With a Gynaecologist, Ursela Van Dem Leyem, no qualifications whatsoever in Economics, Dad got her the Job, in charge!!! What do you expect?
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12/12/2020 16:03:53 50 10
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Wasn't an international law introduced 50 years ago. Not allowing fish to be caught in sovereign waters without agreement? If I'm right the French would be breaking it.
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12/12/2020 16:04:20 46 14
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No more over the top than the french threatening our fishermen
It’s time to come together as a union as it’s a clue to our flag
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12/12/2020 16:14:51 8 15
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With a Gynaecologist, Ursela Van Dem Leyem, no qualifications whatsoever in Economics, Dad got her the Job, in charge!!! What do you expect?
12/12/2020 17:04:05 11 7
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They. Paid. Us. For. Fishing. Licences. And. We. Took. The. Money.
12/12/2020 17:14:14 1 1
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Is that correct
12/12/2020 17:45:17 1 1
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"Here, Here"
12/12/2020 17:55:14 2 7
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"with no consultation with the UK"
Most of those fishing waters are in Scotland and belong to Scotland. It is not with "the UK" that the EU has to consult, it is with Scotland.
i wish England politicians stopped seeing Scotland and its assets as if it was its effing property. So far it is England politicians speaking. When are the Scottish ones going to be allowed to speak?
12/12/2020 17:57:27 3 4
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"But the EU decided they can still fish in UK waters with no consultation with the UK"
Well, England as "the UK" are deciding all the time that they can stick their nose and their fingers in Scotland's business, stealing our powers, territorial waters and assets etc without even consulting with us first. Frankly a taste of their own medicine is most welcome.
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12/12/2020 15:52:26 9 11
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Have you noticed Boris jacket says "Catapult" and has a pull string attached?
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In small print it says ‘warning! Petard is primed’.
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12/12/2020 15:52:29 351 54
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We all know the Royal Navy aren't going to start blowing up French fishermen. This is pathetic.
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12/12/2020 15:55:52 393 51
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They board the vessel, arrest the fishermen and impound the boat. Simple.
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12/12/2020 16:05:04 21 6
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High time they did!
The french are like spoilt kids if they cannot have their own way macron another dictator go fys Removed
12/12/2020 16:35:23 21 6
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I did like the bit though about ‘blowing up French fishermen’, it filled me with a sort of warm nostalgic glow :)
12/12/2020 16:39:14 6 2
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More's the pity!
12/12/2020 17:17:20 5 0
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Daily Mail headline: "We'll Send In Gunboats"
Express headline: "Gunships To Guard Our Fish"
12/12/2020 17:27:26 0 0
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They will if they ram their boats
12/12/2020 18:13:46 0 0
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Do we?
12/12/2020 19:13:30 1 0
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Exactly. It doesn’t say blow up it says patrol, that’s why the RN has Fishery protection vessels. Board vessels that are not supposed to be there and seize the catch if need be. Same if U.K. fishermen go the other way.

Funny when Macron says NON every remoaner suggests it’s sticking up for his country but when we say NO you can’t continue to access our waters without agreement it’s a NAZI thing
12/12/2020 19:22:56 2 2
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Depends on how far the French want to go. Sinking a few would send a strong message.
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12/12/2020 19:53:50 1 0
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That's a pity
12/12/2020 21:36:16 0 0
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You must be wrong because the BBC has said we're sending 'gunboats' ... To go and 'gun' the Fishermen.... We may even send our 'gunplanes' too!! ...
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12/12/2020 22:10:18 2 1
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The RAF have been blowing up Arab shepherds for years, why wouldn't the Navy blow up French fishermen?

I think Boris is desperate for a deal. I don't think the EU want one unless it is heavily in their favour. The primary aim for the EU is to punish us for our stupidity, and rightly so.

Im British but I support the EU’s stance. We will become more of a second rate nation as we go it alone.
12/12/2020 22:45:12 0 0
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Pity
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Because if the RN did, we’d get our arses spanked.
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12/12/2020 15:52:37 1589 391
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I am a firm remainer and nothing has happened to make me see that Brexit will be an improvement. However, President Macron is playing very hard ball over fishing and other issues and it seems to me entirely reasonable that if he wants no deal then his fisherman will suffer. Tough. I am ex Royal Navy!
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Salute you Sir.
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As an ex Royal Navy (not officer I suspect) you should know better.
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Mad.
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12/12/2020 16:06:49 74 103
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Another intelligent ex serviceman pretends that they are a remainer when their whole rhetoric screams leaver. As for Macron they were sold the fishing rights by British fishermen . If you were sold something and then somebody decided to rip up the agreement without recompense you'd be bit miffed too.
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Why ex? Throw out?
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Well said.
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12/12/2020 16:12:03 80 37
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I'm ex Royal Navy, as I've said else where, if one person loses their life over fish, the world has gone mad, all this does is play to the jingoistic gammons.
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12/12/2020 16:14:25 35 25
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With a Gynaecologist, Ursela Van Dem Leyem, no qualifications whatsoever in Economics, Dad got her the Job, in charge!!! What do you expect?
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12/12/2020 16:15:38 20 47
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Macron is representing his country and his people and just because he is winning you blame him Go whine to boris the loser
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12/12/2020 16:28:49 16 32
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You're not a remainer - that's a lie I'm afraid.
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12/12/2020 16:29:21 11 31
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No mention of British Fisherman who sold out their industry and retired to the Costa Notta Lot
No mention that whats left of the British fleet couldn't catch a cold at the moment or that most make their living fishing inland waters which are not affected
To Jolly Jack Tar and the other flag shaggers go to war over SFA whilst the rest of the country burns
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12/12/2020 16:32:26 35 22
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I agree
Although as a former remain voter my enthusiasm for Brexit has never been great I think the difficulties in agreeing a deal are Eu policy,it’s beyond belief that they won’t offer the U.K. what they agreed with Canada especially as the U.K. are also paying over billions and giving up fishing rights.
Cohesive control or bullying whatever it is must be vigorously resisted.
12/12/2020 16:32:44 21 31
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Like the vast majority of the UK population I don't care who fishes near us. I do care about the loss of highly skilled jobs, high value exports, and our ability to trade freely with our largest market. Still, if Derek and Sadie can be sure their cod is from UK waters, so what, eh?
12/12/2020 16:34:08 16 18
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Well done to the uneducated Brexiteers on this terrible mess they've caused!

And all for what? A shiny new passport of a different color? Cause there aren't any other 'benefits' to Brexit lol!

Brexiteers will be a laughing stock long after we are all dead and gone. History won't be kind.
12/12/2020 16:35:30 6 8
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Thank you for your service.
Bob
12/12/2020 16:45:45 11 9
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Thank you for your sanity but too many of your fellow Remainers can see absolutely nothing wrong in the EUs approach
12/12/2020 16:46:53 6 3
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A country (and the bloc it belongs to) negotiates to protect its interests. In other news: water is found to be we and gravity causes things to fall.

We were part of that bloc and benefited from the support of other members until recently.
12/12/2020 16:51:59 5 8
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Yes but we will we sell our fish and it was us that sold the the rights.
12/12/2020 16:53:11 4 7
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My sentiments exactly, The question over cake and eating it is not of an EU mentality and was before the UK comments. So instead of 7 years of managed reductions it’s the end and yes the Navy are there for those purposes. Let’s build a small fleet of P45’s, perfect for this
12/12/2020 16:54:58 10 2
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It seems to a 'Landlubber' that if Macron vetoes a deal then his fishing fleets lose fishing rights in UK waters. Fine if he wants to lose re-election, strikes and riots in France. Balls in his court.
12/12/2020 16:57:52 13 3
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If this was in reverse the French would have no qualms about sending out their gunboats to patrol their fishing waters. What's the problem.
12/12/2020 16:59:34 10 15
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"I'm a firm remainer [no, you're not...], however..." You're a lunatic, is what you are. There is no sane reason to send Royal Navy gunboats to intercept and attack civilian fishing boats. What a humiliating way to disgrace your years of service by advocating military action against unarmed civilians. Your honour and my continued respect is dependent upon your good conduct, not given blindly.
12/12/2020 17:01:07 7 6
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Our fishermen will suffer when they try to sell their fish in Europe.
There will be linkage between UK access to EU markets and EU access to UK fishing grounds. Anyway, if a large French trawler were to ram one of the Fishery Protection vessels, I'm betting the FPV will come off worse. Remember the Cod War with Iceland? Are you suggesting that the RN will start shooting at French fishermen?
12/12/2020 17:03:22 8 9
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The only people who will suffer from gunboat diplomacy are UK citizens who will not be able to sell fish outside UK and are provoking tariffs, food and other supply shortages if they adopt aggressive action in sea between England and Europe.
Brexit and its dreadful handling by Tory dictators is disgrace - certainly it is not supported by the vast majority of Scots.
12/12/2020 17:05:52 5 4
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What they are not telling you is that UK fishermen will also suffer because they won't be able to sell their fish in the EU
12/12/2020 17:06:35 1 1
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Cod Wars!
12/12/2020 17:08:41 4 2
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Not sure I believe your story.
12/12/2020 17:10:54 5 6
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i agree. The french will use bullying tactics; they are known for it. Our waters our fishermen first. Maybe then we wont have to remortgage the house to get cod and chips. Stuff Macron; stuff the french. Most of us voted to leave which meant taking back control and our waters.
12/12/2020 17:10:55 7 7
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Couldn't care less if you are ex navy or not it is irrelevant
His Fishermen and others have the legal rights that they purchased

He is protecting them from long and costly litigation

How would you feel if someone took what you had legally bought
12/12/2020 17:12:51 3 5
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Sinking allied ships is a solution for you?

How old are you?
12/12/2020 17:14:51 4 4
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Why, it is because most of the Fishing fleet on England's South Coast is owned by Breton French and also Iberians, French mostly fish in their own waters, coastal and tidal Langoustine Crayfish Bream and Bass etc, they do not Fish in the North Sea mostly Danish there, I have two Trawler owner Friends who are Welsh and are at a wits end with the idiot in No 10.
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12/12/2020 15:52:42 115 62
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Snowflakes, who are terrified of their own shadows, must be terrified at the prospect of the country using force to patrol our waters....
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Last time the UK tried it got offed by a micro-nation. How do to think it will fair against an entire continent? That aside, what sort of person feels gunboat diplomacy has any place in todays world?
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12/12/2020 16:14:27 10 10
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The thoughts of someone who likes a fight instead of negotiation.
12/12/2020 20:03:44 2 0
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Well not really, it will just make you lot even more of a joke, because unless you serve on those boats you are the snowflake.
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What happens to the foreign companies who bought quotas from English fishermen?
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12/12/2020 16:00:23 14 3
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Unless there is a fisheries deal with the EU, any existing quotas will end once the transition period ends, as fishing rights revert to the UK.
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12/12/2020 15:53:01 22 14
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Government aren't going to deploy Navy but SNP make it sound like they are. Irresponsible comments on a non event.
12/12/2020 17:26:58 1 0
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Daily Mail headline: "We'll Send In Gunboats"
Express headline: "Gunships To Guard Our Fish"
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12/12/2020 15:53:02 6 8
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Dumza strikes again. He is clearly desperate.
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12/12/2020 15:52:18 233 76
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......Said Remain voting Tobias Ellwood.
Said war mongering Brexiteer. Removed
12/12/2020 16:55:30 12 3
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The outraged squarks of people like TB sound almost like someone has 'up trousered' them.
12/12/2020 18:29:39 2 0
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Well at least he got that right.
12/12/2020 22:13:37 1 1
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I hope his constituents get rid of him, there is a lot of fisherpersons (just for the BBC) there!
12/12/2020 22:43:26 1 1
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Remain = good. Leave = bad.
12/12/2020 22:49:14 0 1
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ITs THIS TYPE OF MP THAT HAS DESTROYED THE ONCE (GREAT BRITAIN) BUT TAKING ALL THEY CAN,,ask Mrs, May ,about her Hubby????
12/12/2020 23:41:10 0 0
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And retired EU commissioner, Chris Pattern.
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13/12/2020 00:00:30 1 0
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A good man, that Tobias Ellwood. No hiding in a fridge for him.
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12/12/2020 15:53:36 7 9
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Absurd. Comic. And unlikely to win hearts and minds. Unless those minds are in the Kremlin.
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12/12/2020 15:53:41 52 30
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This mp is the totally irresponsible one, and like so many before him are the reason we have no deal.
12/12/2020 17:49:30 13 8
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Best that you look at what he is saying. Rightly better to concentrate on getting a deal rather than pathetic posturing as if the French will take any notice. This is purely for the Brexit hotheads to keep them happy.
12/12/2020 18:51:07 1 0
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Did you forget UK left the EU. In a divorce the party with the best lawyer wins.
12/12/2020 20:40:36 0 1
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That is what you voted for.
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12/12/2020 15:53:43 7 9
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Did not Churchill say “Jaw, jaw. Not war, war” ?
Surely Boris knows that!
I remember the ‘Cod Wars’. Boris wants his (cod) piece of the action.
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the main constructor of the single market was Margaret Thatcher

bet brexiteers do not have a clue who she was
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Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.
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12/12/2020 15:58:28 2 1
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Don't be daft.
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They already do this, move on!
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Yes, we should move on to a topic which is relevant to the other 99.8% of the UK economy beside fishing.
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12/12/2020 15:53:53 22 21
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So after 4 odd years the brexiteers have managed to achieve ... nothing. We're in the same place now as we were the day article 50 was enacted.

I guess we didn't hold all the cards.

We can't have our cake and eat it.

It won't be the easiest deal in the world.

They don't need us more than we need them.

Who knew?
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But they do. Its just that they cant show how much it will cost them by backing down. If they do the whole EU will fall apart
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12/12/2020 15:57:26 2 2
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They are arrogant and greedy. As always, they want our money more than our friendship.

You can’t agree a deal if the other side wants more than it is reasonable for them to have.
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12/12/2020 15:59:35 2 2
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Brexiters have only been in charge for just over a year since May quit. In that time we've left and put a final date on doing a deal. Fine by me.
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12/12/2020 16:00:22 2 2
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Everyone and anyone who didn't have their heads in the sand.
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France has said it will continue to fish in UK waters. I'm glad the navy is there, who cares what a Tory and the Beeb think tbh?
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good point
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And your source is?
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12/12/2020 16:03:31 12 24
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Of course any country will enforce its territorial waters.

What's depressing is the knee-jerk nostalgia about the navy (or "gunboats"), as though we were still in the days when a few small British ships could sail to Beijing and take over China. The government is run by people who've never grown up (see Boris's "girly swot" annotations re Cameron) & never come to terms with losing the empire.
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Constant clowning from the Norman invader, based in Moscow no doubt. ??
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Yes and I think our navy navy will beat the French navy as well,, idiot!
12/12/2020 17:19:38 14 0
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It is not so much a problem with the French Fishing Fleets, but the large Spanish Fishing Vessels that have caused the over fishing in the UK Waters aided and financed by the EU to build large vessels to the detriment of the UK's fisherman.
12/12/2020 17:37:22 2 4
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They BOUGHT the rights from Farages mates, grandad
12/12/2020 17:39:15 3 0
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quite right. Sink them.
12/12/2020 17:42:02 2 1
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During the 60's we had Harold Wilson's 'cod wars' with Iceland, with Royal navy ships deployed to protect our 'fishing rights'. That didn't work for us if I remember rightly!
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12/12/2020 17:55:52 0 0
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And most of the newspapers, Including the supposedly Tory supporting ones.
12/12/2020 18:11:02 0 1
bbc
Why don’t you try thinking?
12/12/2020 18:56:29 1 2
bbc
Who cares what you think? 1066 BTW was when England lost to France. Weird date to celebrate being English.
12/12/2020 19:03:37 0 4
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'France' doesn't fish in UK waters. French fishermen, who paid good money for the rights to do so, fish in UK waters
12/12/2020 19:35:23 0 2
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I am sure Mr Putin agrees with you,. Mr Murdoch, too.
12/12/2020 20:21:11 0 3
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Well as most people who voted for brexit think fish come frozen in fingers, and have no interest in the fresh product, why do they care, we might as well let the French have it. By the way these are the same fat ****** queuing up for McD's and KFC's, crap food for idiots!
12/12/2020 21:09:24 0 2
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They should continue to fish, they bought quotas to be able to.
12/12/2020 21:11:48 0 2
bbc
well, it was plebs like you that voted them in.
JLC
12/12/2020 22:00:47 0 1
bbc
I'm presuming your post is ironic, given that you 'name' celebrates a famous defeat by the British at the hands of the French. Or maybe you don't understand history?
12/12/2020 22:10:39 0 2
bbc
They can fish there because they bought the rights to fish there...
12/12/2020 23:46:58 1 0
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We all boycott french products.
13/12/2020 08:22:44 0 0
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So, we'll just ignore that fact they've PAID to fish in those waters?
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12/12/2020 15:54:15 6 25
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I could see the navy out right refusing to get involved in such a petty thing.
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12/12/2020 15:58:16 6 1
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Oh no you couldn't!
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12/12/2020 15:58:17 3 1
bbc
Really? Fishery protection is a job they do every day that's why we have the patrol boats in the first place.
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12/12/2020 16:04:58 2 1
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Then you haven't a clue have you!
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12/12/2020 15:54:22 33 33
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The people who're now saying the EU are being dictatorial and unfair are the same ones who conned 17 million people into throwing away our bespoke EU membership, and with it our rebates, vetos, and opt-outs. All on the false promise of free money for the NHS and easy deals. And now they're trying to distract us from the obviousness of their mendacity with a load of flag-waving nonsense about fish.
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12/12/2020 15:58:28 14 9
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Rebates ???? We paid in far more than we ever got back
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12/12/2020 15:58:46 3 3
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Who cares? We've left. As if the remain camp never lied through its teeth about there being an instant recession, half a million instant job losses, house prices crashing, thousands of UK companies moving abroad, in the event of a leave win. All lies from the losers....
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ARB
12/12/2020 15:59:01 4 5
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Rebates? You do realise it was our money they were they were so graciously giving back to us.
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12/12/2020 15:54:34 8 15
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Both irresponsible and a hollow threat. More bluster from Little Trump for little Britain.
We patrol the waters anyway, it just gives us the ability to remove the sneaky frogs who will no doubt be fishing in UK waters on 1st Jan in the event of no deal. Just like any independent nation would do. Making them aware of it doesn't change anything. The EU are intent of having their cake and eating it ???? Removed
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12/12/2020 15:58:59 1 6
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Cant even stop illegals coming across 22 miles of the channel. No chance of patrolling the North Sea. Sabre rattling of the worst kind. Boris and his government are a complete bunch of muppets.
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12/12/2020 15:54:44 23 15
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Tobias is one of the most disappointing Tories I have ever seen. Absolutely no backbone. And from such a promising start when he first became an MP. I listened to what he said this morning. HE was being irresponsible!
12/12/2020 17:39:17 3 0
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Absolutely no back bone?!! He ran back to try & save PC Keith Palmer, would you have done that with a knife-wielding terrorist on the loose?
12/12/2020 18:12:16 0 0
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What in saying that the first responsibility of the govt is to concentrate on getting a deal. But no, what better than some sabre rattling that just reinforces the world's opinion of how ridiculous the UK has become.
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12/12/2020 15:54:46 876 343
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What are we supposed to do? Just let them fill their boots at our expense?

No other sovereign nation in the world would accept that.

Why is this country filled with Britain hating, EU fifth columnists?!
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12/12/2020 15:58:21 436 418
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Say it with me Ken. They bought the rights to fish there.
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12/12/2020 15:58:33 32 26
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Absolutely right
You are just the type of gammon who creams over this stuff, if one person loses their life over fish bojo the clown should be tried for manslaughter. Removed
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12/12/2020 16:03:43 41 22
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Spot on Ken. Although most of them on here aren't British at all. Most are from EU countries seeing their competitiveness being shot to pieces.
540
12/12/2020 16:15:00 19 34
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We all lived, worked. collaborated and peacefully coexisted until Brexit threatened peace and stability. Brexit is a shameful exercise in xenophobia and breast beating by the Eton elite. It is the greatest threat to this country since WW2 and anyone who supports it should be ashamed of the carnage they are willing to inflict on the UK. Leavers are NOT patriots, quite the opposite.
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12/12/2020 16:20:27 6 5
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I suspect they all work for the BBC ;)
692
12/12/2020 16:20:36 19 20
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I think you will find that Remainers are the patriots here. The Remain position is based on the belief that this country is better off working with our friends. Brexiteers have been blinded by unsubstantiated rhetoric and hubris. How it is patriotic to make your own country poorer and weaker on the world stage? And BTW, WTO terms are just another set of rules meaning we can’t do whatever we want.
864
12/12/2020 16:25:48 13 7
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Exactly. So many people can't understand why Boris is standing up for the UK. He is the PM of the UK that's why. Not of the EU.
992
12/12/2020 16:30:32 6 9
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We just don't like bigots Ken. This has all been about those who do not like Johnny Foreigner and the super wealthy lining their pockets by whipping up the foreigner hate. We live in a multilateral, interdependent world. English exceptionalism ! Sadly rather embarrassing...
12/12/2020 16:32:54 9 6
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Because most remainers are patriotic Brits who can see the damage the nationalistic brexiteers are doing to the country we love.
12/12/2020 16:36:54 2 5
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OK Ken, please take the pills. You are overdue on your meds.
12/12/2020 16:48:31 6 6
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"...Britain hating, EU fifth columnists"

To want the best for your country is patriotism & that meant staying inside the prosperity, safety and strength of the biggest free trade group in the world. Brexit madness is just going to cause unemployment, poverty and isolation. But the racists are happy because they get their blue passports and a chance to put two fingers up at Johnny Foreigner.
12/12/2020 17:17:20 1 1
bbc
Lived in the UK 70 years. It is this sort of tripe that got us in this position in the first place.
12/12/2020 17:10:36 0 0
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We tried and lost when our fleets tried to fish in Island waters and the RN patrol to protect them. So, now the boot is on the other foot.
12/12/2020 17:22:26 4 0
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It's not exactly "filled with EU fifth columnists". But it's fair to say some of those who live here aren't happy with racism, or xenophobia, with inequality, or with over-powerful oligarchs.
12/12/2020 17:36:53 1 2
bbc
"Why is this country filled with Britain hating, EU fifth columnists?!"

They BOUGHT the rights, grandad.

Why is this country run by appalling mediocre journalists masquerading as politicians, who get elected telling dismal lies to horrible bloodthirsty OAPS?
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12/12/2020 15:55:04 13 21
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Absolutely correct. This completely ridiculous and sounds like utter fiction. Just what century are we in? Gunboats!? Who do they think they are!? Not in my name. I'm utterly appalled and ashamed of my nation. Where are we heading?
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12/12/2020 16:03:16 4 1
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You need to calm down and consider the situation. They are NOT gunboats but coastal protection vessels as employed by EVERY EU state with a coast, do you consider them also ridiculous or is it just the UK who shouldn't have them?
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12/12/2020 16:06:36 0 1
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Get your facts right they are not gunboats.they are patrol vessels .they patrol British waters all year round.This utter hysterics needs to stop.All nations with a coastal border have them.
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GW
12/12/2020 15:55:06 37 30
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Madness I voted to leave but these idiots are beyond the pale Covid has shown we have bigger fish to fry time for Boris's boat to be sunk!
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12/12/2020 15:58:42 34 7
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I voted remain but uk coastal waters are no longer a shared resource with the EU.
Clear enough
160
12/12/2020 15:59:29 3 1
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Sure you did.
224
12/12/2020 16:03:15 1 2
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I don't believe you voted for Brexit!
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12/12/2020 15:55:12 129 58
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No Mr Ellwood....what's irresponsible is allowing every Tom, Dick & Jacques in to pinch our fish!!!

What is wrong with these British people who will not put Britain first?....
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12/12/2020 15:56:55 49 68
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They voted Brexit.
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12/12/2020 15:57:04 10 12
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because they not fascist
got it ?
that is why
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12/12/2020 16:02:36 13 20
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Marxists mate, the looney left they hate Britain!
12/12/2020 17:07:46 8 5
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We had already SOLD our quotas to French and Spanish fishermen. Talk about wanting to have ones cake and eating it.
BOF
12/12/2020 17:52:37 7 2
bbc
It is important to distinguish between defending British interests and shooting yourself in the foot.
12/12/2020 17:56:56 4 2
bbc
Nope, we must apologise for everything "we" did in the last 2000 years and apologise to everyone!
12/12/2020 19:57:52 2 1
bbc
They can just take them in international waters then. How is the term bought and paid for so difficult for kippers to understand?
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12/12/2020 15:55:14 90 10
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Anyone who thinks the french won't try to fish in our waters in January, or when ever the season starts, must be strange.
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12/12/2020 15:57:52 35 17
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They will be breaking international law. It means then that French will be “attacked” by other counties who will see France as low breakers and do the same. China, Iran, whoever
13/12/2020 00:03:44 1 0
bbc
Anyone who thinks the French won't be allowed to fish in our waters in January must be strange.
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12/12/2020 15:55:19 785 176
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Why is the BBC inciting conflict? The navy have not been used to threaten anyone, they have not been out in any specific alert, they are always on standby, the vessels in question are for protection of UK waters a job they are constantly doing.
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12/12/2020 16:04:09 452 223
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This story is being carried by all major news outlets, but let’s hang it on the BBC because we hate them!
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ZG
12/12/2020 16:14:20 27 10
bbc
Remind me, which department in the BBC does Tobias Ellwood work for?
12/12/2020 16:36:09 34 36
bbc
The BBC is inciting conflict because it wants to see our way of life destroyed and replaced by one more suited to their woke, leftie nanny state narrative.
12/12/2020 16:38:41 30 24
bbc
Good point. This is purly opinion and scaremongering. Not news and BBC should focus on news, truth and reliability. They stir up and report the consequences with glee.
12/12/2020 16:42:50 22 5
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You must be joking, right? You know it’s what a Tory MP said?
12/12/2020 16:55:59 6 2
bbc
Because some idiot in the Scottish government thinks we are threatening to 'sink ships'. Not the BBCs fault that the Scottish government are making stuff up to try and score points.
12/12/2020 17:15:56 7 1
bbc
Daily Mail headline: "We'll Send In Gunboats"
Express headline: "Gunships To Guard Our Fish"
12/12/2020 17:27:54 8 2
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It's not the BBC inciting conflict. Read this morning's Brexit supporting papers like the Express and Sun.
12/12/2020 17:37:54 1 5
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Yep, well said.
12/12/2020 17:50:03 2 2
bbc
The BBC is reporting a statement issued by the MOD.
12/12/2020 17:52:57 1 1
bbc
The Mail and the Express ran with 'we'll send in gunboats!!!1!' today. That little Hitler from Shrewsbury is stomping his feet while hiding behind the big boys who would do the actual fighting.

But hur durrr, let's bash the Beeb, eh champ.
12/12/2020 17:57:49 1 1
bbc
Because that's what the BBC does. An endless stream of anti-government (unless it's a Labour govt. in power), negative, demoralising, divisive misinformation and half truths. And I'm expected to pay for that via my licence fee
12/12/2020 18:02:37 1 0
bbc
I don't think you understand how any of this works....
12/12/2020 18:51:17 2 1
bbc
Because the BBC is still broken hearted about Brexit, the BBC thinks it is the bees knees in every aspect of journalism, when actually it epitomises the worst of the gutter press, nothing more than an overpaid, arrogant, ill mannered gang - the weather presenters are OK!
12/12/2020 19:02:22 0 0
bbc
Which is why illegals never get in that way!
12/12/2020 19:07:36 0 0
bbc
It's a news report ??
12/12/2020 19:27:59 1 0
bbc
You are incorrect - these vessels have been guarding UK and EU waters.
12/12/2020 19:45:41 0 1
bbc
I blame a stupid MP (who I suspected is a remoaner) who should have thought before saying anything. Clearly the navy carries out patrols all the time. Right guys, we won't patrol our waters anymore, and see what happens to the small migrant boats that sink halfway across, there'll be no one to notice. Oh, and what about the aircraft reconnasance and radar, do you want us to switch that off too?
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12/12/2020 15:52:42 115 62
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Snowflakes, who are terrified of their own shadows, must be terrified at the prospect of the country using force to patrol our waters....
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12/12/2020 15:55:25 65 67
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Last time the UK tried it got offed by a micro-nation. How do to think it will fair against an entire continent? That aside, what sort of person feels gunboat diplomacy has any place in todays world?
444
12/12/2020 16:07:15 7 6
bbc
Um. Try China, Russia, USA...pretty much anyone with said boats.
ET
12/12/2020 17:44:25 10 5
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The sort of clown that hasn’t developed from immature Sixth Form politics. Hasn’t absorbed any history lessons, and likely thinks that Jonny Foreigner is a rogue who stinks of garlic and would like nothing better than to come here and steal something.
12/12/2020 23:11:01 0 0
bbc
What are you on?
44
12/12/2020 15:55:38 63 4
bbc
Such short memories....remember Iceland? Cod wars? Our trawlermen being defended by RN frigates......
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12/12/2020 16:03:52 23 12
bbc
In someone's else's waters - it's the other way round this time.
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12/12/2020 16:06:24 1 1
bbc
Not so short, the cod wars ended 44 years ago.
12/12/2020 16:35:44 4 0
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And concluded with an agreement, which involved ceding a little sovereignty.
12/12/2020 17:23:49 1 0
bbc
Yes the RN did to some extent protect our trawlers by cutting across the Icelandic gunboats, etc. We would still have access to those fishing grounds but for a US military base at Keflavik. The US who put pressure on the British Govt to remove our trawlers by threatening to kick the US out of that base in 1974. Cod wars being 1958-61, then 1972-73 finally 1975-76 when hte British Govt capitulated
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12/12/2020 15:55:39 946 118
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Why do people keep calling these ships 'gunboats'? They aren't, they are patrol vessels. It's a deliberate attempt to tie it to colonialism to make a routine Royal navy fishery patrol task sound negative.
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12/12/2020 15:58:37 303 542
bbc
Do they have guns ?

Do they float on the water ?
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12/12/2020 16:02:43 43 32
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Because they have guns. Machine guns and cannons. The MoD said they were prepared for "robust enforcement". Does that not sound like the aggressive use of fire power? Or perhaps you propose the Navy shout rude words at the French and threaten to stop selling them Cheddar cheese?
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12/12/2020 16:04:26 30 30
bbc
Patrol vessels with a filthy big gun on it.

Get a grip.
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12/12/2020 16:05:21 73 4
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They ate most likely river class offshore patrol boats, designed to protect coastal waters and frigates. They are armed with a 30mm remote controlled GUN. They are being utilised for the exact reason they were designed and built i.e. to protect British waters and interests. No colonialism, just doing "exactly what it says on the tin"
644
12/12/2020 16:18:41 32 3
bbc
It's simply about resources. Those are the vessels most fit for the job at this point in time. It's likely we will see border force and police fleets grow if this becomes long term issue.
911
12/12/2020 16:27:30 23 25
bbc
Same as Boris likes to call it an Australian deal, Sounds good but is utter boll**ks
12/12/2020 16:31:22 16 19
bbc
Blame the tabloid press for playing to Johnson's base
12/12/2020 16:34:15 27 10
bbc
The term gunboat originally referred to smaller armed vessels intended to be used as coastal raiders to be used to attack coastal targets and enter shallow waters, as opposed to warships which tend to be much larger and more heavily armed.

The use of such ships lead to the term Gunboat Diplomacy - a display of force to try and intimidate weaker nations in colonial times - not smart today.
12/12/2020 16:39:44 3 1
bbc
Very true and I've forgotten the last time they fired in peace or conflict.
12/12/2020 17:14:45 4 8
bbc
To keep the little Englanders excited and wetting their pants at the thought of getting back at Johnny foreigner
12/12/2020 17:27:49 2 3
bbc
They are called ”gunboats”, because captain has a revolver in his nightdesk drawer.
12/12/2020 17:33:39 3 0
bbc
Best to look at the Mail headline!
12/12/2020 17:52:35 1 7
bbc
Nowt beats British Imperialism.
12/12/2020 17:56:20 1 3
bbc
It is the exact opposite of that. It's an attempt to rattle sabres by the more rabble-rousing right-wing rags.

The Express, which would rather it was permanently 1922 and brown people only appeared in Enid Blyton books, literally featured 'We'll send in the gunboats!' as its front page today.
12/12/2020 18:18:25 1 0
bbc
Now if it was the QE aircraft carrier or one of the Trident Nuclear Subs we were talking about there might be a point of all this but a few patrol boats. Bit overblown really.
12/12/2020 19:10:11 1 0
bbc
It's not negative to the audience it's aimed at.
12/12/2020 19:31:39 1 1
bbc
Considering which newspapers splashed the headlines, it's much more likely to be a last ditch attempt to stir memories of imperial might in Boris' flagging supporters.
When things look bad at home, generating a foreign enemy is a time honoured tradition. Deflection!
Doesn't do much for trade deals though.
12/12/2020 20:03:04 1 1
bbc
Probably because the government wants to stoke up the gammons again, and god does it work :D And it was that bastion of Marxism who sold those fishing rights, but it was that long ago maybe it was Corbyn that did it.

Meanwhile here's some vague promises of 'green jobs' with no real substance. See, he can cover all the bases
12/12/2020 20:34:18 0 0
bbc
Very good question. Another media attempt to over-egg the situation.
12/12/2020 20:41:53 0 0
bbc
The media over playing as usual. Next they’ll be telling us that the URNUs will be at sea in their Archers!
12/12/2020 20:44:03 0 0
bbc
its about bullying bulla bulla (daddy will pay for the damage)
12/12/2020 20:48:33 0 1
bbc
Sky news also calls them gunboats
"The UK assigns four gunboats to prevent illegal fishing." - Sky news

Your prejudice is al to obvious to see.
12/12/2020 22:14:01 0 1
bbc
They are boats which have guns. What is wrong here? Their deployment is the issue, not what is their terminology.
12/12/2020 22:24:08 0 0
bbc
Totally agreed. They aren't Palmerston's gunboats, they're police vessels - and we are entitled to deploy them in our own waters.
46
12/12/2020 15:55:41 1 7
bbc
So we are going from a fake war with the EU to a real one?
47
12/12/2020 15:55:49 482 58
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Cannot see much wrong with protecting our waters,the problem arises when we have to take action.
If we sit back and do nothing that would also be wrong.
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12/12/2020 16:01:43 136 195
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There is nothing wrong with it, think it’s more a case of using the threat as part of negotiations, uk already tried this tactic with the internal markets bill ,all it served was to damage uks reputation
12/12/2020 17:37:33 0 6
bbc
They BOUGHT the rights from Farages mates, grandad
12/12/2020 18:37:31 5 0
bbc
Once a few EU boats are arrested fishing in UK waters, and taken into a port to get a hefty fine in court. The catch confiscated, the rest will get the message.
12/12/2020 20:23:40 1 0
bbc
You'd be right, if we hadn't flogged said fishing rights off years back, so .. if you sell something, it isn't really yours anymore, generally. Although luckily it was more of a rental agreement. And we can thank Thatcher for that one as well
12/12/2020 21:40:20 0 0
bbc
and we are so good at protecting our waters aren't we?, see we just let another 70 illegal Albanians slip through......
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12/12/2020 15:52:29 351 54
bbc
We all know the Royal Navy aren't going to start blowing up French fishermen. This is pathetic.
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12/12/2020 15:55:52 393 51
bbc
They board the vessel, arrest the fishermen and impound the boat. Simple.
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12/12/2020 15:58:29 5 36
bbc
So why Gunboats and not Police boats. Posturing, that's all it is.
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12/12/2020 16:11:28 19 28
bbc
Followed by French retaliation such as stopping all traffic across the channel and no more cooperation policing the migrant crossings. That would be so funny I can imagine your brexity outrage.
12/12/2020 17:20:15 3 4
bbc
International incident. What happens if French stop Brits driving across their country.
12/12/2020 17:36:14 1 1
bbc
Best to get the facts first. The Navy does not have the power to arrest.
12/12/2020 17:40:44 3 4
bbc
WH Smiths are a bigger industry than fishing. You are getting worse and worse and worse every day, grandad.

Bloodthirsty and utterly dishonest CLAPPED OUT CLOWNS
12/12/2020 18:45:59 0 0
bbc
Except they cannot by law
12/12/2020 19:44:04 1 0
bbc
If this happens, be assured, it will NOT be simple - nor is it a good idea at this juncture or any other.
12/12/2020 20:06:04 0 0
bbc
Then French fishers blockade ports and little England starves, get used to eating fish
12/12/2020 20:22:56 0 0
bbc
Next day or week a French or Spanish patrol boat does same to a UK trawler... welcome back to 1800... or earlier
12/12/2020 20:46:03 0 0
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And a hefty fine to get their boats back.
12/12/2020 22:46:32 0 0
bbc
Yeah, that will go well.
12/12/2020 23:03:19 0 0
bbc
Which is what happened some years ago when Iceland and Canada tried it!
12/12/2020 23:47:48 0 0
bbc
They should sink the boat, not impound it
12/12/2020 23:48:01 0 0
bbc
Were it that simple.
13/12/2020 08:22:49 0 0
bbc
RN guard fish (seven letters)
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12/12/2020 15:53:53 22 21
bbc
So after 4 odd years the brexiteers have managed to achieve ... nothing. We're in the same place now as we were the day article 50 was enacted.

I guess we didn't hold all the cards.

We can't have our cake and eat it.

It won't be the easiest deal in the world.

They don't need us more than we need them.

Who knew?
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12/12/2020 15:55:52 6 9
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But they do. Its just that they cant show how much it will cost them by backing down. If they do the whole EU will fall apart
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12/12/2020 15:55:58 8 7
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"Deploying Royal Navy gunboats to protect UK fishing waters under a no-deal Brexit" would have been labelled as project fear many years ago, alas now it's project reality.
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12/12/2020 16:00:16 9 3
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It's what every country with a sea border does, didn't you know.
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12/12/2020 15:56:00 264 38
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The alternative is taking the French fisherman's word that they won't sneak into our waters. And that ain't gonna work.

Its all part of the political posteuring.
12/12/2020 18:16:42 134 98
bbc
Let's not forget that many years after the UK joined the EU, UK fishermen sold their finishing quotas for millions to many EU countries including France. This had the approval of the UK government at the time.

No wonder the EU countries that paid millions for the fishing quotas are upset. Imagine if it was on the other foot. They are entitled to compensation at the very least.
12/12/2020 19:06:38 2 12
bbc
Your comment 'The alternative is taking the French fisherman's word that they won't sneak into our waters,' implies they aren't in our waters when they make their 'promise'. If they aren't and the RN boards them then that's piracy
12/12/2020 19:13:12 2 3
bbc
It's posturing - this isn't 'Allo 'Allo.
12/12/2020 19:51:15 0 1
bbc
and then when France and Spain put their ex fishermen in houses paid for by British people, because due to Brexit they no longer own those houses, what you going to do?
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12/12/2020 15:52:10 877 174
bbc
Yes a bit over the top. But the EU decided they can still fish in UK waters with no consultation with the UK if there was going to be a no-deal, which was published the day before..
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12/12/2020 15:56:02 576 251
bbc
The EU’s show of ‘unity’ is a façade, the rhetoric from Brussels is simply putting more and more strain on the EU itself.

O’ to have been a fly on the wall during the last Council meeting.
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12/12/2020 16:16:04 7 7
bbc
Dream on
12/12/2020 17:05:03 8 3
bbc
You're in no position to talk about unity, mate. The UK is split every which way.
12/12/2020 17:14:53 4 0
bbc
Have you some inside knowledge
12/12/2020 17:22:26 4 4
bbc
Someone should put a fly on Boris , hopefully the Tsetse kind, to stop him spouting so much gibberish and utter crap.
12/12/2020 17:23:08 7 4
bbc
Is that the rehashed Brexity theme in 2016 that the EU would collapse in a year. Still there and looking quite united.
12/12/2020 17:28:49 0 0
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Happily the UK does have an excellent proverbial fly on the EU wall.
12/12/2020 17:32:29 3 0
bbc
So if you weren't a fly on the wall how do you know? Let's be honest just how unified is the UK right now?
BOF
12/12/2020 17:36:17 2 0
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And it hasn’t half put a lot of strain on this country. If it goes really badly Brexit may prove the worst decision for Europe including the U.K. since Germany triggered WWI
12/12/2020 17:44:11 2 1
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They are being tough on Britain. To avoid other countries having a similar idea. How much as Brexit cost now? Like that's not a dissuasive figure alone... Also how they have been with this deal/no deal bs. Is basically sending a message to other countries to not get the same idea.
12/12/2020 17:56:38 1 0
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Rational is not what your posts are.
12/12/2020 18:44:43 4 1
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been hearing for 4+ years that the EU won't last the night. For 27 very different countries they seem to have held this one together better than 27 Con. MPs can!
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12/12/2020 15:56:03 12 19
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Ever shrinking Britain still suffering from 'Empire' brain
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12/12/2020 15:52:05 24 27
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My heart dropped when I read this, Tory's manufacturing a conflict to whip up support from the gammons.
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12/12/2020 15:56:04 18 4
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France had stated they will continue to plunder UK waters regardless... We get it, you're a sell out and on the EUs side.. You have no influence and the majority don't care what you think. :)
12/12/2020 22:13:10 1 1
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Plunder? No.
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12/12/2020 15:56:04 207 82
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Using our wonderful Royal Navy is NOT a threat. It is how sovereign states defend what belongs to them.

A name like Tobias is probably an RAF background :)
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12/12/2020 16:23:41 110 49
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A name like George probably has friends called Bungle and Zippy. But that would be crass stereotyping...
If the Navy is not a threat, what's the point of having it? It's not just an alternative to Club 18-30 you know.
12/12/2020 16:31:30 5 18
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Unpatriotic Tories like Mr Ellwood must be replaced with people who put Britain first before the next General Election
12/12/2020 16:45:20 5 2
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Only it doesn't belong to us, as we sold the rights years ago.
Just another public school nancy boy like most of them including Labour. Removed
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12/12/2020 17:41:18 4 2
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Is this the standard of your research when you make decisions because if so it's no wonder you are a Brexiteer. Best check the background to Ellwood first.
12/12/2020 18:18:17 1 0
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Born in New York, educated in Europe, served in the ARMY (Royal Green Jackets). Very 'undignified'!
12/12/2020 18:24:57 2 0
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"A name like Tobias is probably an RAF background :)"
Or an abbreviation of Too biased!
12/12/2020 19:09:57 0 1
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Tobias Elwood served with the Royal Green Jackets (successors to Sharpe's Light Division). What was your military experience?
Pat
12/12/2020 19:54:53 0 0
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Or Fench
12/12/2020 19:55:30 0 0
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Except when someone else has bought property off you, it no longer belongs to you.
12/12/2020 22:16:24 2 0
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Hey there is no Tobias's in the RAF they would not have him, Traitor comes to mind...
12/12/2020 22:32:26 0 0
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Ex Royal Green Jacket. Army.
12/12/2020 22:50:14 0 0
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Why insult the RAF.!
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12/12/2020 15:56:05 5 12
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None of this cabinet or BJ really believe in Brexit they are just going through the motions to stay in power. You can see in their faces in the TV interviews they are Cr*pping themselves at the moment!
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12/12/2020 15:58:34 5 1
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Rubbish.
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12/12/2020 15:56:05 1959 505
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What an over exaggerating headline. Naval patrol boats are in ours and other EU countries waters every day. Controlling immigration, entering of UK waters by Russia vessels. The media should get a rebuke for creating troublesome information.
Hear hear.

But it is good old Auntie is it not?

Makes a change from a headline story involving BAME or BLM.
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Daily Mail headline: "We'll Send In Gunboats"
Express headline: "Gunships To Guard Our Fish"

In comparison, the BBC quoting a Conservative MP is hardly sensationalist or an exaggeration.
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12/12/2020 16:08:14 172 37
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I doubt if any French fishing boats will be fishing on the 1st January, they will probably very busy blockading all the channel ports to show the RosBifs how French bureaucracy functions
Threatening this specifically in the event of no deal is a dog whistle for the clown's fool followers. There is no need to mention this at this point but it plays to what dumb people think makes sense. It shows the lying corrupt incomptent turd of a leader is guning for no deal. And dumb hardcore brexiters just lap it up. Removed
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12/12/2020 16:14:01 140 32
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None more so than the Mail and the Express, actually rather tame if you want to play top trumps.
Quoting former and current high ranking Tories who are expressing disgust at this lack of responsible behaviour is not really an exaggeration of the facts .
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12/12/2020 16:14:13 119 40
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Actually read what Tory Tobias elwood said. Its not the Bbc its Boriz keeping you guys happy with more bluster
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12/12/2020 16:18:55 98 14
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Too many headlines today deliberately stoke up tensions/anger. Then you read the article and see the proper context. Does a great deal of damage.
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12/12/2020 16:20:19 27 8
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Donald Duck, you miss the point entirely, it's not bbc reporting it's dimwits incapable of seeing the wood for the trees!
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12/12/2020 16:21:52 12 5
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'Controlling immigration'? not working is it Donald. Tobias & Humza, thanks for your input, we will take it from here.
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12/12/2020 16:25:37 31 17
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Take it you hope they open fire on Johnny foreigners- our nearest neighbours and allies. You probably hang dog bags in trees and throw weeds over the fence into the neighbours gardens. Antisocial and irresponsible. What possible issue can you people not drag racism into?
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12/12/2020 16:29:36 7 10
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"Controlling immigration" - since when! They have bad job of it this year. Russian spy ships and subs are no danger to us, unlike the French fishermen and their lobster pots.
12/12/2020 16:35:08 5 4
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No they aren't I've lived facing the sea for years and the only time I've ever seen a military ship was when they sent aircraft carriers eastward-ho!
12/12/2020 16:38:28 11 1
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'Russia vessels' - as you quaintly put it ALWAYS sail through one of the two English Channel designated international sea lanes and never breach UK waters (as begrudgingly confirmed by the MoD).
12/12/2020 16:40:43 5 0
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Not 4 specifically designated to stop people catching fish.
12/12/2020 16:47:11 12 2
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It’s all bluff and brinkmanship anyway.
Get a grip.
12/12/2020 16:50:11 5 5
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Well said. The Media always want to worsen situations just to sell newspapers etc.
12/12/2020 16:50:25 8 4
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Not helped by that idiot Humza Yousaf talking about 'threatening to sink their vessels' when nobody has said anything about sinking ships. The Navy is just patrolling as it has always done. More pathetic point scoring by the Scottish government.
12/12/2020 16:51:42 10 0
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Nope. You just don't like it. There is a massive difference between on patrol 'every day', and being 'tasked' specifically to stop EU fishing in territorial waters. BBC is reporting the news, if it doesn't fit your world view, don't switch on.
tjw
12/12/2020 16:52:01 3 8
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Agreed, the sort of jingoistic nonsense you expect on the front page of a tabloid, designed to stoke ill-informed opinion. Disappointing to see our national broadcaster lowering its editorial standards yet again. Banana republics have gunboats, the RN has fishery patrol vessels that are deployed routinely around our coast. Raise your game BBC.
12/12/2020 16:52:14 11 0
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Quoting the Mail and Express as examples of more over-sensationalising headlines is hardly useful. Those excuses for newspapers don't print anything unless they can exagerate it to the point of silliness. They use code words as well. No one is ever disapointed, annoyed or upset, they are always "furious". When something trends on twitter then it "goes into meltdown". They really are pathetic.
12/12/2020 16:53:13 11 5
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You are wrong. The media have not ‘created’ this. This ‘troublesome information’ as you put it has been ‘created’ by the U.K. government. There has been a specific threat to use the navy to protect our fishing vessels. It is utterly bewildering that our government would issue this warning. These countries are our closest friends. We are in danger of truly isolating ourselves. Down with this govt.
12/12/2020 16:53:39 11 4
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Hey - it's not just the BBC saying this mind. Toby Ellwood - a well decorated Army Captain and Tory MP calls it undignified - too right it's undignified. Makes the UK look like the pariah state Brexiteers obviously want. We have become the North Korea of Europe. The way the world views the UK is sinking lower and lower by the day. It's embarrassing. Brexiteers you stink!
12/12/2020 16:55:54 2 0
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Sorry don’t believe you.
12/12/2020 16:58:14 3 4
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You utter fool there are our waters and Iceland did tge sabe to
Protect its waters . So fool go away we the voter are for this protection against these clowns stop any of them
12/12/2020 16:59:17 7 4
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The media's job is to report the facts. Something that leavers have always labelled 'project fear'.
12/12/2020 17:01:53 3 0
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Yes but its not every day Boris specifically mentions them. Perhaps a coincidence as negotiations are coming to a close.
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12/12/2020 15:54:15 621 176
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France has said it will continue to fish in UK waters. I'm glad the navy is there, who cares what a Tory and the Beeb think tbh?
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good point
12/12/2020 23:46:46 1 0
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And it will, and there will be trouble. No way the French will toe the line, no way at all.
13/12/2020 00:03:59 0 1
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Or a bunch of sxhit stirring breaks who probably think fish only come in plastic containers. Makes me chuckle at such interest in Britain's fishing industtry and waters by a bunch who probably never ever eat such things - certainly not if they shop in a supermarket. Brought up half a mile from one of the uks biggest fishing had ours which like all of the rest is now a joke in size and activity
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12/12/2020 15:56:13 163 37
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So! How do you suggest we police our waters? Didn't go too well for you when you confronted a gang of youths playing football in the street did it? How do you suggest we confront trawlers stealing our fish?
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12/12/2020 15:59:24 102 10
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Just in the same way that the Royal Navy shadows boats from the Soviet Union
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12/12/2020 16:11:20 2 5
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Childish.
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12/12/2020 16:13:01 6 1
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Same way as they do everywhere, either stop them and impound their gear and catch, or cut across their lines.
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12/12/2020 16:21:04 5 2
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The same way the Icelandic Navy stopped our trawlers
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12/12/2020 16:24:46 10 8
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They are not "stealing our fish." They bought fishing rights to fish there. That has not changed.
12/12/2020 17:23:18 2 5
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It now appears fish have made in Britain stamped on them.
12/12/2020 17:41:04 11 4
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So how many times in a month do you eat fish and what form is it in? Tuna, fish fingers, farmed salmon. EU trawler owners legitimately bought UK fishing permits. They own a licence to fish here. Many UK trawlers sell their catch to mainland Europe. We have a pm, a cabinet and a press sector who didn't think of these complexities when the little englanders did their brexit bus tours.
12/12/2020 18:38:21 3 3
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Our fish - what do you mean exactly. Do this fish belong to us - are they all embossed with a UK stamp?
12/12/2020 19:56:25 1 1
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It didn’t go very well for a country that can’t even win a war against Iceland the last time the UK tried it did it.
PB
12/12/2020 20:24:05 1 0
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But these quotas are legally owned. Its stealing from the quota owner.
12/12/2020 21:03:02 2 0
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Live in Jersey & the French fisherman are always stopping our boats going into their despite agreement to use each other's waters.

Plus when they cannot come to a union agreement with their stevedores etc they close the Channel Ports.

Now they will bleat. French fisherman are not going to be.
happy with Macron.

So now we are going to get more Dover Sole. Delighted.
13/12/2020 10:17:21 0 0
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Drones and lasers.....
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12/12/2020 15:56:20 3 14
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I may be wrong, but haven't I read somewhere that until the Royal Navy's new carriers are commissioned we are having to lease one from the French navy?

Also, I wonder if anyone has considered what the outcome will be when, in retaliation, the French fishermen blockade the Channel Ports and close access to the Chunnel?
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12/12/2020 15:59:27 3 2
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Set mines and blow the "Chunnel" up??
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12/12/2020 16:00:53 1 1
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It should be blocked . At least short term . Why and how is anyone even allowed to cross borders with Covid 19 still rife?
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12/12/2020 16:01:48 1 1
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Is anyone using the Chunnel since Covid?

They’re on the point of bankruptcy.
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12/12/2020 16:02:34 1 1
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You're completely wrong - the French have only got 1 carrier anyway.
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12/12/2020 16:04:08 1 1
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Total rubbish, the French have 1 carrier it's so old and broken it spends all its time in port, make an effort to get some facts.
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12/12/2020 16:11:39 1 1
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That has always been the issue with the EU, they make rules and the French just thumb their noses at them and get away with it.
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12/12/2020 15:55:33 1 12
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The British Navy is about as intimadating as the Australian Navy
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12/12/2020 15:59:32 4 3
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Don't kid yourself
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12/12/2020 15:57:45 1 2
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I was thinking of the Swiss navy, but then they have those penknives i suppose.
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12/12/2020 16:00:51 4 2
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How pathetic of you to loathe your own country. Feel free to leave.
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12/12/2020 16:01:54 3 2
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Apart from the large aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, ballistic missiles etc. Have a look at the Royal Navy website, you'll learn something!
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5th most powerful in the world.
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12/12/2020 15:52:10 877 174
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Yes a bit over the top. But the EU decided they can still fish in UK waters with no consultation with the UK if there was going to be a no-deal, which was published the day before..
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12/12/2020 15:56:25 31 20
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Well a lot of their members were sold the rights so...
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12/12/2020 15:56:28 3 13
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Tally Ho old chaps, let shows those jolly old foreigners what we are made of. Empire here we come!
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12/12/2020 16:00:26 5 1
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Empire? It's right off our beaches, not Africa somewhere.
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12/12/2020 16:00:26 2 2
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Grow up!
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12/12/2020 15:56:40 1326 296
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It is not at all clear to me what else the UK can do. If the EU don’t want a deal then we can’t just let them rob our fishing industry. What would the EU do if we robbed their fisheries or vineyards?
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12/12/2020 16:04:40 395 519
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I think if I paid rent for a vineyard in France I would be allowed to harvest and market the produce. French & Spanish fishermen among others paid 6 figure sums for quotas from UK outfits back in the day encouraged by Mrs T who sold off so much herself. Before the trolls retaliate I do credit Mrs T with some wise policies BTW.
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No-one owns the fish
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12/12/2020 16:05:12 96 48
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You miss the point. We fish in their waters too. Most of the fish landed here comes from their boats. Most of the fish landed here is then exported to the continent. Just as on everything Brexit we are fed manure by the media hoping we'll all grow into bigger mushrooms.
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12/12/2020 16:05:24 88 44
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They haven't sold rights to pick their grapes. We did sell the rights to fish those waters. How would you feel if someone sold you a car then came back for it later saying they'd decided they wanted it back.
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12/12/2020 16:07:03 27 6
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Negotiate.
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12/12/2020 16:14:35 106 43
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“Robbed our fisheries...”? They are not robbing anything, they are there under international agreement and licenses agreed years ago. Those licenses are still legal after Brexit. Also, jingoism aside, who cares? UK fishermen won’t suddenly be fishing the quotas left by the EU fishing fleet, not least because they won’t be able to export the catch to Europe. It’s a zero-sum game, and we all lose.
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12/12/2020 16:29:32 12 8
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you will benefit if you informed yourself rather than rely on populist headlines
12/12/2020 16:33:30 19 29
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The EU has been robbing our taxpayers for years.
12/12/2020 16:34:31 22 9
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It is a little complicated...70% of the catch by UK fishermen is sold into the EU. I am guessing they will tell our fishermen where to put it if we scare off the French
12/12/2020 16:44:58 10 5
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What they bought was part of the UK quota from the EU quota assignments share out. As we will no longer part of the EU assignments then neither is our fish part of that quota. WE will assign our own quotas.
12/12/2020 16:48:16 6 4
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UK doesnt have enough boats to fish as much as the quotas allow which is going to be good for fish stocks but even if we had we wont have a market to sell them in as most fish seem to go to the EU and they wouldnt let us sell there.
12/12/2020 16:53:00 6 9
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We sold them the rights if we want the back we should buy them.
12/12/2020 17:04:54 5 3
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So you think Johnson wants a deal ... ?
12/12/2020 17:13:25 4 5
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How do you know we will abide by the rules I have not seen the EU talking about patrolling their waters
12/12/2020 17:20:00 7 3
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What Fish Industry, we do not damn well have one, it has been sold off years ago, French, Breton, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian Danish, and Russian owners. I do know, I have two trawler owner friends who own boats in Fishguard Pembroke and Brest, they would wish the idiot in No 10 would keep his foot out of his stupid mouth and speak the Truth, Fishing is tiny it is the other parts that will hurt
12/12/2020 17:21:23 1 3
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We have robbed their fisheries.
Fishing in the close season is poaching.
12/12/2020 17:24:33 4 3
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60% of UK fishing permits have been sold by UK trawler owners to EU trawlers. A high percentage of fish caught by UK trawlers is sold to EU markets. Tarrifs will impact on these British fishermen. The squid you may eat in Europe will have been caught in UK waters. We are very conservative in our fish eating habits and our consumption is declining. So why all the fuss?
12/12/2020 17:27:31 4 6
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EU isn't a Country, isn't a Sovereign Nation State recognised by the United Nations ALL it is is a Supra National Organisation making illegal territorial Claims on Sovereign British territorial waters. They must be defeated.
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12/12/2020 15:56:54 7 15
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I imagine this’ll turn out just as well as the original Cod Wars did for the U.K.

We had our backsides handed to us by Iceland, 4 times over. By Iceland.

I’m sure we’ll do loads better against 27 countries though...

We’ve become an embarrassing parody of ourselves.
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12/12/2020 15:51:02 19 30
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Seriously, Britain needs rehab!
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12/12/2020 15:56:55 25 5
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Really!? If somebody is breaking into your house, do you stand there applauding them in and out?
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12/12/2020 15:55:12 129 58
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No Mr Ellwood....what's irresponsible is allowing every Tom, Dick & Jacques in to pinch our fish!!!

What is wrong with these British people who will not put Britain first?....
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12/12/2020 15:56:55 49 68
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They voted Brexit.
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12/12/2020 16:15:22 8 5
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Yawn.
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12/12/2020 16:24:51 6 1
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Ellwood voted remain.
12/12/2020 17:24:32 2 0
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And look where we are now
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12/12/2020 15:55:12 129 58
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No Mr Ellwood....what's irresponsible is allowing every Tom, Dick & Jacques in to pinch our fish!!!

What is wrong with these British people who will not put Britain first?....
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12/12/2020 15:57:04 10 12
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because they not fascist
got it ?
that is why
12/12/2020 17:12:09 5 4
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Why is it fascist to protect what's rightfully yours? Burglars would love you
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12/12/2020 15:57:06 6 18
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Boris Johnson and his cabinet of clowns have turned the UK, and especially England, into a global laughing stock.
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12/12/2020 15:59:16 4 4
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You may want that to be true. But it is not. I have friends all over the world (real friends I have actually met!) and they see the Uk as strong/confident for leaving the EU.
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12/12/2020 15:59:58 2 2
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On the contrary. But I guess you are in Brussles.
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12/12/2020 15:57:09 18 8
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Tobias, poor guy

Expression on his face says a lot

With Patten calling Johnson an unprincipled nationalist this morning

That's the second Tory today looking almost Human

Strange times indeed
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12/12/2020 15:57:11 208 40
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nothing wrong in it, should be more to protect UK interests.
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12/12/2020 16:23:34 121 153
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The bought the rights to fish there. It's not about our interests at all.
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12/12/2020 16:30:45 12 10
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99.8% over UK interests have nothing whatsoever to do with fish. But they're being threatened by something much worse than French fishing boats: an incompetent and mendacious government of self-promoters and grifters.
12/12/2020 22:30:36 0 0
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There are already 8 of that class of ship.
13/12/2020 01:00:18 0 0
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Indeed, build some more ships i. UK yards, use British built police cars and fly British built planes. We have to relearn a lot but Sweden France and Germany can build this stuff so we can as well
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12/12/2020 15:57:19 220 28
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As a Royal Navy serviceman (or ‘service person in BBC parlance) I am curious to learn where these ‘gunboats’ (no such vessels exist in our order of battle) and the crews to ‘staff’ them are coming from?
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12/12/2020 16:05:20 54 64
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Next you’ll be saying we don’t have monitors or dreadnoughts any more!
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Rob
12/12/2020 16:21:13 14 1
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As I understand the RN today (I'm an ex submariner - from a long time ago!) there are plenty of Admirals in service to man up the few seagoing vessels we now have!
"Service person" isn't BBC parlance. It is the terminology which the navy itself uses:

https://www.google.com/search?q="service+person"+site%3Aroyalnavy.mod.uk

But of course, you're not really in the navy are you? Otherwise you'd be Captain_Bigjobs, or Warrant_Officer_Bigjobs, rather than Mr_Bigjobs.
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12/12/2020 18:37:52 4 5
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It comes from the outdated use of the Royal Navy by HMG colonial goverment meaning sending boats with guns on them to "show the natives" as well you know. It is in the same service history lectures I was given.
12/12/2020 19:54:36 2 2
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So there weren’t any women in when you were, must have been a while ago.
12/12/2020 20:24:50 0 0
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From journo's fantasy!
12/12/2020 21:48:29 0 0
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River Class Batch 1 OPVs. We've had them for sometime. They are crewed and at sea on a regular basis. They are armed, but very lightly.......designed for constabulary duties as opposed to war fighting.
12/12/2020 22:29:47 0 0
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They are already in service. They are the River class patrol vessels of the Fishery Protection Squadron. And as of this year there were 8 of that class.
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12/12/2020 15:51:42 23 31
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English Nationalism is running rampant.
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12/12/2020 15:57:19 24 7
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As is the French, German, Italian, Greek, Belgian and Spanish etc. etc.
Your point?
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12/12/2020 15:57:19 6 12
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An unnecessary and unhelpful provocation.
The talks are already beset by mistrust (on both sides) as it is.
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12/12/2020 15:57:22 385 42
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Gunboats are deployed at the moment to protect EU waters (UK Navy included). This is not new just another non story.
12/12/2020 16:44:01 184 26
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I agree.

No where in the story does it say that the EU will fish in our waters if there is no deal.

All that the EU are proposing is that they have access to our waters if there is a deal, and if the UK refuses this, then tariffs apply to the fish the UK sells to the EU.

All the jingoism which inflames the situation, is all for nothing.
12/12/2020 19:15:13 1 1
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It's not a non-story, just a news story. That's all. I despair at what you people expect the BBC to report ....... On a news channel .. Sigh
12/12/2020 19:42:28 0 1
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So why did the MOD issue a statement?
13/12/2020 08:23:35 0 0
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So, why did our govt make a big deal about announcing it then?
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12/12/2020 15:57:23 3 12
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How to Win Friends and Influence People - or in the case of our government - How to look like a bunch of Sprats.
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12/12/2020 15:53:53 22 21
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So after 4 odd years the brexiteers have managed to achieve ... nothing. We're in the same place now as we were the day article 50 was enacted.

I guess we didn't hold all the cards.

We can't have our cake and eat it.

It won't be the easiest deal in the world.

They don't need us more than we need them.

Who knew?
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12/12/2020 15:57:26 2 2
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They are arrogant and greedy. As always, they want our money more than our friendship.

You can’t agree a deal if the other side wants more than it is reasonable for them to have.
12/12/2020 16:35:18 0 0
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I think you're talking about the UK
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12/12/2020 15:52:02 35 34
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Vote of no confidence coming up. Good riddance to the worse pm in the history of the U.K.

Starts by promising sunny uplands and easiest deal in history, ends with port blockades, food and medicine shortages, mass unemployment and navy dispatched. Shameful
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12/12/2020 15:57:29 14 6
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and the EU had no responsibility?
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12/12/2020 15:52:05 24 27
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My heart dropped when I read this, Tory's manufacturing a conflict to whip up support from the gammons.
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12/12/2020 15:57:37 0 4
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The gammons of the future. Will have a totally different mind set. The way time quickly passes by. It will be sooner rather than later. But sadly not soon enough.
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12/12/2020 15:57:41 30 17
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Oh come on. Get behind your party and country.
The trench can’t just do whatever they want with no deal...good move I reckon to show we won’t just lie down!
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12/12/2020 16:01:53 15 23
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You need to dig yourself a nice deep trench and stay there
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12/12/2020 16:10:49 4 2
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I would love to get behing Johnson providing he was standing on a high cliff
12/12/2020 17:33:24 4 1
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Not my party and, increasingly, not my country. Am embarrassed to be British right now.
13/12/2020 00:41:56 0 0
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not my party!!!
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12/12/2020 15:57:44 18 5
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Too much hysteria over this. Everyone applauds the EU for playing hardball, but with one token threat it's "ludicrous". Just your standard negotiation beef and right of the UK to defend her waters as seen fit.

I will caveat that with commenting on how much of a shambles these negotiations have become. Neither side blameless.
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12/12/2020 15:52:02 35 34
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Vote of no confidence coming up. Good riddance to the worse pm in the history of the U.K.

Starts by promising sunny uplands and easiest deal in history, ends with port blockades, food and medicine shortages, mass unemployment and navy dispatched. Shameful
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12/12/2020 15:57:45 1 4
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There are not enough decent MPs to remove the Conservatives
Absolutely pathetic, just like the UK government and Billy big bo**socks Brexiteers! Removed
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12/12/2020 16:00:08 6 3
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Oh dear, still crying about June 2016 :)
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Removed
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12/12/2020 15:56:54 2 4
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Queen Elizabeth : 'Sir Francis, Readee the Armada to rid us of these European usurpers, how many doest thou have in thy fleet ?'

Sir Frances ; 'Just the 4 actually, but methinks these will suffice, your majesty'
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12/12/2020 15:57:51 7 11
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Johnson, demonstrates his Clown skills yet again. Mr incompetence, never a PM
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12/12/2020 15:57:52 106 43
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SNP is not UK government and has no say over defence issues . Protecting our borders is the duty of government by whatever means necessary. Well done PM for standing up to the dictatorship called EU.
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12/12/2020 16:00:37 42 48
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Although I dispute your accusation that Scotland shouldn’t be able to comment, it is in keeping with the entire Brexit process.

I bet you’re one of those English centric folk who can’t fathom why Scotland would want to leave you to it as well!
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12/12/2020 16:01:30 9 6
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And then you’ve got the absolute cheek to accuse the EU of being a dictatorship.
12/12/2020 16:35:15 5 1
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'Dictatorship' - Jesus wept...
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12/12/2020 15:57:52 86 20
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Amazed at the moaning MP. It's normal the world over to protect your waters from illegal activities. In our case, if we don't the trawlers will be popping over everyday.

This way, we simple, board the trawler, arrest it's crew and impound the boat. One less annoyance.
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12/12/2020 15:59:47 20 55
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The thing is the French will be doing to us what we do to them - and more of our fishermen fish there than theirs fish here...
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12/12/2020 16:00:18 3 8
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Send in the marines too!
12/12/2020 17:27:11 6 9
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Typical little Englander comment. What will you say if roles are reversed. By the way whose going to buy all the extra fish that is landed. An EU boycott would decimate the industry.
12/12/2020 19:21:08 5 2
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Or we could load their trawlers with the illegal immigrants the French seem unable to keep in their safe haven and escort them back into French territorial waters.
12/12/2020 20:01:29 1 0
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Except when someone has bought something they legally own it. This is like the French and Spanish saying British immigrants and holiday makers don’t own the property in those countries, that they legally paid for, but could only buy due to EU rules, telling them they aren’t your houses any more. You’d be up in arms!
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12/12/2020 15:55:14 90 10
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Anyone who thinks the french won't try to fish in our waters in January, or when ever the season starts, must be strange.
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12/12/2020 15:57:52 35 17
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They will be breaking international law. It means then that French will be “attacked” by other counties who will see France as low breakers and do the same. China, Iran, whoever
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12/12/2020 16:12:48 3 3
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You hope
12/12/2020 17:55:36 6 1
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This post has 15 up-votes?
Given the appalling and completely innacurate statements. We have left all reason behind and suddenly declare the election for Trump?
Are we going down that road?
12/12/2020 19:56:49 4 2
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They paid for the right to fish there.
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12/12/2020 15:57:56 127 67
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About time we stood up to these EU clowns!
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12/12/2020 15:58:46 70 34
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I agree!
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12/12/2020 16:25:52 16 1
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The only clowns are those who voted for this mess and Boris.
12/12/2020 16:50:16 11 1
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Well we must be world leaders when it comes to clowns, look at the current cabinet.
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12/12/2020 15:57:58 80 18
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If No Deal then the French can't just help themselves in our waters. Macron knows this or he should do, so what is wrong with us stopping illegal fishing in our waters. The EU do not want a deal to come easily to warn off others from considering leaving.
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12/12/2020 15:54:15 621 176
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France has said it will continue to fish in UK waters. I'm glad the navy is there, who cares what a Tory and the Beeb think tbh?
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12/12/2020 15:57:58 8 12
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And your source is?
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Sam
12/12/2020 15:58:05 80 16
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All hot air.

These River Class patrol vessels spend the majority of their time patrolling the UK EEZ and monitoring fisheries year in year out.

They will not be being doing anything new....it's what the were bought for...years ago.

Tabloid rubbish, picked up and made into a talking point by politicos and over dramatic journos.

Ell wood should shut his rent a mouth.
12/12/2020 17:20:29 16 2
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Daily Mail headline: "We'll Send In Gunboats"
Express headline: "Gunships To Guard Our Fish"
12/12/2020 18:49:33 2 1
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I read that Ellwood critisised the press (particularly the right wing press) for hyping up irresponsibly.

Do you think he shouldn't have done that?
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12/12/2020 15:53:44 7 19
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the main constructor of the single market was Margaret Thatcher

bet brexiteers do not have a clue who she was
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12/12/2020 15:58:05 4 4
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Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.
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12/12/2020 15:58:14 16 13
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Absolutely pathetic posing. What a miserable little tinpot country we have become
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12/12/2020 16:01:48 2 4
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Nothing has happened you moron
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12/12/2020 15:58:16 21 7
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You need to consider UK territorial waters and its resources the same as our land territory. Then the rationale and solution is clear. Its extended border patrols
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12/12/2020 16:14:22 0 4
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So You can walk on Water ? You never walk swim sail in the same Sea.
12/12/2020 20:46:47 0 0
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So by your logic British people who own property in the EU, thanks to EU laws, no longer own that property.
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12/12/2020 15:54:15 6 25
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I could see the navy out right refusing to get involved in such a petty thing.
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12/12/2020 15:58:16 6 1
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Oh no you couldn't!
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12/12/2020 15:54:15 6 25
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I could see the navy out right refusing to get involved in such a petty thing.
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12/12/2020 15:58:17 3 1
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Really? Fishery protection is a job they do every day that's why we have the patrol boats in the first place.
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12/12/2020 15:54:46 876 343
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What are we supposed to do? Just let them fill their boots at our expense?

No other sovereign nation in the world would accept that.

Why is this country filled with Britain hating, EU fifth columnists?!
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12/12/2020 15:58:21 436 418
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Say it with me Ken. They bought the rights to fish there.
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12/12/2020 16:01:53 109 12
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Oh bless you, the fishing quotas are only valid for 1 year at a time, 2 years for deep water.
the info is readily available from the European commision's own web-site.
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12/12/2020 16:10:18 71 9
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They pay for an annual licence under agreement from UK that agreement will now be withdrawn! Not difficult is it!
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12/12/2020 16:12:56 82 13
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They paid to fish in EU waters
UK waters aren’t EU waters after 1st January
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12/12/2020 16:13:33 37 2
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In which case the Navy will let them proceed, but if there are any rogue or illegal vessels we are within our rights to prevent them fishing.
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DJ
12/12/2020 16:22:38 8 3
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No one has suggested anything other than UK control taking back control of our waters again.
MSM write aggressive headlines over and over again.
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12/12/2020 16:26:34 7 2
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But with us leaving the EU these rights no longer apply!
12/12/2020 16:31:25 7 6
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No they didn’t. Fake news.
12/12/2020 16:33:35 5 2
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But not perpetual ones, no one does that or we would still own half of France!
12/12/2020 16:26:37 6 7
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They bought when we were in the EU. We are no longer in the EU so rights have gone. Understand?
12/12/2020 16:38:57 7 4
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And the UK paid for at least a third of the EU buildings in Brussels and Strasburg, but I dont see us getting a refund on that, or the millions we poured into other projects. That is just the way the cookie crumbles. The French fisherman have already been ramming UK boats, throwing fireworks and nuts and bolts and why? Because the UK boats were LEGALLY fishing scallops in their waters!!!
12/12/2020 16:45:57 3 3
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And the UK is paying the difference back.. Its not the UKs fault if the EU do not see the French fishing industry get the money... Who many Billions did we have to pay to leave again? Another remoaner with no argument, its like the good old days. Lol
12/12/2020 16:48:43 3 1
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Was that in perpetuity????
Bob
12/12/2020 16:52:00 3 1
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Wrong all such licenses expire come 1st of January
12/12/2020 16:57:05 2 1
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And I bought a TV licence last year. I still have to buy a new one this year.
12/12/2020 17:01:33 4 0
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They may have bought the rights to fish there. But do you think that agreement must now last for all eternity?
12/12/2020 17:06:26 2 1
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And we bought access to the single market with our contributions. That right is stopping so should theirs.
12/12/2020 17:20:23 1 1
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No they bought the rights from the EU not the UK. THe UK didn't actually gain anythig from the license sell off. If the fishermen want and call back then they need to get moneys back from the EU Commission, possibly via the EU Court. Best of Luck
Some did
TIG
12/12/2020 17:44:42 0 1
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"They bought the rights to fish there."

BUT their bosses [the EU] gave it up & returned the 2021 fishing rights to the UK, as part of the exit-deal. UK can't catch all of this fish alone, but need an agreement with EU on how it's goes next.

EU heads of state [e.g. Macron] talking as if it's still 'their fish' are misguided, & seem to forget where things will stand at the start of 2021...
12/12/2020 17:53:05 0 1
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And they lost them in the withdrawal. Where countries have gained independence from the UK / France etc. in the past Control passes to the independent country.
12/12/2020 17:53:17 0 0
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Say it with me Adopted Geordie. The rules have changed and they will be compensated. There, not to difficult was it...?
12/12/2020 17:54:29 0 1
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Those rights are UK State assets so no fishing company had any right to sell those rights.
12/12/2020 17:58:31 0 1
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Their rights have now ended