Brexit: UK-EU talks continue as Navy boats put on standby
12/12/2020 | news | politics | 5,580
Four Navy boats get ready to patrol UK fishing waters in event of no deal, as negotiations resume.
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12/12/2020 11:11:09 335 113
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Still cutting off our nose to spite our face, I see.
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12/12/2020 11:17:54 237 275
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We have an absolute right to protect our home waters in the same way we have a right to protect our homeland.From 1st Jan foreign trawlers will be invading our territory....
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12/12/2020 11:22:55 16 35
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Actually about protecting our sovereignty and livelihoods

Its what people fought for and any other country would protect their own waters.

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12/12/2020 11:35:26 8 5
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Yep. Fisherman demanding they get sole access to waters despite needing to land their fish in EU ports to be able to make a living.
12/12/2020 12:41:53 1 2
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So you think it is totally acceptable for the French to carry on fishing in UK waters but we get absolutely nothing back in return from the EU.
12/12/2020 13:15:18 1 1
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So who pays the EU subsidies now? Are you prepared to make up the shortfall in funding that uk fishermen received? Or the funds given to actually build the boats in the first place?
https://ieep.eu/uploads/articles/attachments/02c519d9-dfe7-4855-aa07-f47a1e2d32d4/subsidiesreport.pdf?v=63664509689
12/12/2020 15:33:43 0 0
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How is patrolling UK interests cutting off nose. It is rather Macron whose nose has become disjointed.
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12/12/2020 11:11:24 405 120
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Not sure that this is sending the right message....
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12/12/2020 11:20:35 351 443
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It’s sending exactly the right message.
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12/12/2020 11:21:19 43 44
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Are you saying we let the French just come and plunder our seas, taking whatever they want.
Illegally.... I might add.

Any other country would protect their seas and so should we.
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12/12/2020 11:30:59 19 9
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I'm sure it is not.
The EU on concessions on aircraft depend on the UK reciprocating on all four concessions.
Planes could be banned from landin in the EU, or overflying it.
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12/12/2020 11:39:39 2 11
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It's just your typical BBC headline overreaction.
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12/12/2020 11:46:29 6 5
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So it's ok for us to waltz into France and walk off with their grapes then?
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12/12/2020 11:47:53 7 2
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I totally agree... This was one of the main reasons that I voted to remain. I think we have forgotten one of the main reasons why the EU has evolved over the years since the end of WWII and in my opinion has the major benefit of helping with world stability and maintaining peace... I would suspect that is why Russia and China are becoming more aggressive as we like the USA intend to isolate
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W1A
12/12/2020 11:50:07 4 4
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It’s the only message Barnier understands...
Jim
12/12/2020 11:54:13 1 3
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So I am sure you let all your neighbours into your property whenever you want to take your things?
12/12/2020 12:30:08 0 1
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It is to the tabloid-reading "base"
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12/12/2020 11:11:26 463 158
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If you leave a club you can't expect to use its facilities. That's how it works for ordinary people. The trouble is it doesn't apply to people of Johnson's privileged background. Old Etonians have their old school tie network. The Bullingdon Club would welcome back an old member, especially if he paid for damages to the restaurants they trash. So he just doesn't get that actions have consequences.
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12/12/2020 11:16:05 385 410
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If by "club" you mean the single market - lots of countries use it - but are not expected to obey every whim invented by the EU for evermore.We are being attacked for having the nerve to leave the EU cartel...
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12/12/2020 11:17:14 41 56
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Does your drivel have any relevance to the story? we are talking about the EU not being allowed to fish in UK water and rightly so.
Removed
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12/12/2020 11:17:03 28 41
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So the French won't get to eat their day old chicks.

Thank goodness we can leave the club behind
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12/12/2020 11:17:31 41 50
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The UK does not want to use the facilities at all, just have a free trade deal like plenty of other independent nations already have. This would be best for the people of the EU and the UK. The problem is if the EU gives the UK this then other states will leave. It's a national protection racket
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12/12/2020 11:28:36 5 4
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They had fathers to pay Bullingdon, They kids go there now.
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12/12/2020 11:30:46 9 13
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Another remainer moaning as usual....
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12/12/2020 11:30:53 17 7
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Absolutely right . . . but why is it then Ok for the EU to fish in our waters? Might that be because we have more lucrative waters and they don't want to have to rely on buying anything from us and being forced to negotiate a trade off. Works both ways, the French Government don't like that and this maybe our only way to get them to agree to any deal that the UK or EU propose.
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12/12/2020 11:33:19 6 7
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Nicely balanced comment......Got a chip on both shoulders have we?
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12/12/2020 11:33:34 14 9
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Also if you leave a club that club does not have the right to come into your back yard and steal your stuff, it also doesn't have the right to dictate what you can and cant do in your own home.
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12/12/2020 11:33:43 11 2
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works both ways, they sill want the same fishing deal . cherry picking
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12/12/2020 11:35:22 15 4
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EU want to fish in our waters
EU want to prevent us being competitive despite them not being consistent with their support of companies
EU want to continue to govern with their court
Bit one sided which is why it’s not a negotiation as that takes 2 sides to compromise not one to take and one to give
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12/12/2020 11:36:50 8 3
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What are you talking about. We have every right to insist on our sovereignty and our fishing rights.
Get over it!
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12/12/2020 11:38:53 7 3
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Same for the EU then, we've left their club and are taking our football (fishing rights) home with us. They can't have it both ways.
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12/12/2020 11:39:55 4 3
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I wanted to be part of the Bullingdon club, but they said no. I demanded a fair deal but they still said no. Nasty vindictive bullies. I told them they need me more than I need them, but oddly they seem unmoved by that.
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12/12/2020 11:46:31 3 2
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Try telling EU fishermen that, mighty one.
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12/12/2020 11:48:32 4 2
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And yes, that club can't expect to use your facilities when you leave it either. So they had better get their fishing boats out of our waters!
12/12/2020 12:17:16 1 2
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In what way is British territorial waters a facility of the EU?
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12/12/2020 11:11:52 17 13
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Perhaps the French trawlers should be redirected to Russian territorial waters. I’m sure they’d receive a warm welcome.
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12/12/2020 11:14:15 7 9
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So we should stoop to the level of a Russian response, then. I'm sure that will work wonders for international relations and really bolster our trade prospects...
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12/12/2020 11:19:06 1 1
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An excellent point.

We need to protect our waters vigorously by using gunships if necessary.

Thank goodness we are leaving the EU
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12/12/2020 11:27:24 0 1
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Rather a silly comment.
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12/12/2020 11:30:38 0 1
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may I suggest that you tell them
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12/12/2020 11:31:35 0 1
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They didn't buy fishing rights to Russian waters, but they did to British ones.
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12/12/2020 11:11:58 11 13
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Another HYS opened on Brexit! I think everything that can be said has been said. Let's wait until Sunday. My guess is that something will be cobbled together. Too much money at stake.
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12/12/2020 11:13:29 25 12
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And whatever that may be it will be rubbish compared to staying in EU.
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12/12/2020 11:13:55 1 3
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Here’s hoping!
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12/12/2020 11:14:31 5 4
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So you voted leave then?
And have no arguments to back up your case?
And what happens if your guess is wrong?
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12/12/2020 11:26:52 1 2
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Wishful thinking, I gave up on that wben I wished the Tories would not appoint Johnson as PM.
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12/12/2020 11:12:00 463 152
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Gun Boat threat. Have we not been here before with the Cod Wars. They did not turn out well for the UK who turned up chest puffed up with big warships and got a bloody nose from captain Birds Eye. Will they ever learn
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12/12/2020 11:15:03 222 44
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Also, we have 4 fisheries boats for three seas. Not great coverage! Perhaps the Icelanders would help us out this time...
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12/12/2020 11:22:12 16 4
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Google “turbot wars” for a more recent example. Canadian did actually succeed in protecting fish stocks, eventually, despite EU backing indefensible behaviour.
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12/12/2020 11:24:56 11 21
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France is a nuclear lower, bit bigger than Iceland, and we lost to a country of 340,000 there.
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12/12/2020 11:27:04 24 6
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I was on fishery protection and do
not recall your version of events we actually were extremely effective
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12/12/2020 11:41:57 5 6
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Are rejoiners really as dumb as they post? The waters our boats went to in the Cod Wars belonged to Iceland, the 'precedent' set by Iceland is now about to be asserted against the EU. Really, what on earth did rejoiners do to think they were so well educated? Media Studies?
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12/12/2020 11:46:48 4 1
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Did that make sense when you wrote it?
ab
12/12/2020 12:08:30 3 4
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Remoaner
12/12/2020 12:13:33 2 2
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In the Cod Wars between the 50s and 70s, all the muesli weavers were so sympathetic to poor little Iceland. And oversaw a devastation of regional fishing industries and communities in the UK which still hasn't been fixed. But now in exactly the same situation, the same or similar people have, for their own frankly evil reasons, a completely opposite stance. Hypocrites.
12/12/2020 12:20:18 2 1
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This time the UK will have international law on its side.
12/12/2020 12:50:29 2 1
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Haven't you got that the wrong way round? In the Cod Wars, it was the Icelanders asserting their territorial rights, and it turned out fine for them.
12/12/2020 12:53:08 2 2
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Do you have a spine?
12/12/2020 13:04:22 0 2
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We can’t stop a dinghy from crossing the channel.
What are we going to do against an angry French trawling fleet?
Last time there was an incident off Cornwall, our trawlers were rescued by the French navy.
Wait and watch what happens. We’ll be the laughing stock yet again.
12/12/2020 13:39:58 1 1
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In that case it was British vessels raiding Icelandic waters. Now the boot is on the other foot: we have the absolute right to protect UK waters against fisheries theft. We've become too complacent about maritime security & urgently need to strengthen our maritime border - not just against IUU fishing fleets but also drugs & arms smugglers & people traffickers.
12/12/2020 13:37:24 0 1
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I like this very good, I remember it well.
12/12/2020 13:49:53 0 0
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I live in a community reliant on fishing, farming & tourism. I remember the cod wars, & more recent (mostly unreported) scuffles with crabbing boats & trawlers between UK & mainly French fishermen. It's no laughing matter. Boats are equipped with water cannon, many crews carried shotguns & air rifles, most had something like a poleaxe to cut the lines & nets of competitors. Dangerous times.
12/12/2020 14:23:49 1 0
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Iceland would have been a smouldering heap and their trawlers matchwood had the UK flexed her muscles back in the early 70's. The restraint they showed back then is only to their credit. Get real!
ken
12/12/2020 15:20:27 0 0
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I was on a frigate during cod war and you have no idea what went on so you really can't comment
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12/12/2020 11:12:20 669 151
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Can’t recall gun boats being mentioned previously. All going well then.
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12/12/2020 11:14:16 446 146
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Fishery protection vessels, we have had them for years.
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12/12/2020 11:20:36 54 63
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BoJo's next speech : We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
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12/12/2020 11:23:08 24 50
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nice one Boris
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12/12/2020 11:24:06 8 5
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??????
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12/12/2020 11:24:39 34 4
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Keeps COVID off the front pages, though!
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12/12/2020 11:29:18 31 14
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Some of the boomer leave voters will cack-handedly refer to this as the “Dunkirk spirit”
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12/12/2020 11:32:15 12 3
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The headline is typically misleading. Read the full article!
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12/12/2020 11:33:08 25 34
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Necessary - simply as the French have no intention of playing by the rules. Boris gets criticised when he does that but somehow the French and the Germans don't.

Unbelievable how some people think
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12/12/2020 11:41:14 10 4
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I bet there is a lot of eye rolling going on in the Royal Navy too!
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12/12/2020 11:44:33 2 4
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Did it need to be explicitly mentioned. You can guarantee that rogue French and Spanish fishermen will be trying to make a point at 0001 on 1 January. Doesn't take a degree in chinese embroidery to work that one out.
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12/12/2020 11:47:48 18 3
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Served on RN Fishery Protection boats for many years, and shock horror we had guns ! - of course they were never used in this role.

We even boarded many fishing vessels, every day.

We even escorted to port those that were breaking the rules.

Not sure why people are even reacting to this.
888
12/12/2020 11:50:18 7 3
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Relax, I doubt they will be launching rockets at French fishing boats. The media have to add a bit of drama to the story to add to their Brexit disaster image.
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12/12/2020 11:50:23 5 3
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I see, Navy boats are equipped with Xmas trees..
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12/12/2020 11:50:31 3 3
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Cue the French sending out their navy - forget them helping to stop refugees
12/12/2020 11:52:53 7 3
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This was always going to happen. How else were we going to protect our fishermen in our waters?
12/12/2020 12:05:45 3 1
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The RN had many more Fishery Protection Boats in the past. Under the "old" EEC they were always having to deal with illegal fishing. I recall Spanish fishermen were quite prominent.
12/12/2020 12:08:00 1 9
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Lets hope they get the opportunity to let loose some firepower and teach the French not to mess with us.
12/12/2020 12:06:48 0 1
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Need to keep your ears to the ground Harley.
12/12/2020 12:21:41 5 1
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Seems you only have a problem when the UK enforces it's legal rights.
What would you think about other countries doing the same e.g. France?
Cut the hypocrisy.
12/12/2020 12:21:41 5 2
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Or borders in Kent. Or the Irish Sea. Perhaps that's preserving our sovereignty. Or perhaps its just the biggest misjudgement since Suez....
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12/12/2020 11:12:34 11 29
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Go Go Royal Navy
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12/12/2020 11:17:46 4 3
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They’ll probably end up shooting at each other, just like everyone else in Britain these days!
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12/12/2020 11:19:02 0 1
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LOL go where indeed. lucky we have still have four Navy boats tha float.
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12/12/2020 11:12:51 22 3
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Let’s hope all sides see sense.
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12/12/2020 11:19:18 9 2
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Since no one else seems to like your sensible suggestion, I agree. Lone voices!
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12/12/2020 11:23:21 1 3
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Fear that is unlikely on our side.
Not much here.
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12/12/2020 11:29:28 2 3
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can't see the 'flag waving tory's' being able to do that. it's their England after all.
12/12/2020 11:58:28 0 2
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Indeed - but after 4+ years?
12/12/2020 15:18:31 0 0
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Unfortunately sense is not one of Bojo's strong points.
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VF
12/12/2020 11:12:58 16 15
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Erm we’ve had fishery protection ships for centuries.Even when we were in the E.U

This really is a none story and the BBC making news as opposed to reporting it.
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12/12/2020 11:22:42 3 2
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BS.
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12/12/2020 11:13:02 398 123
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we didn't vote to be at war with french fishermen
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12/12/2020 11:15:32 305 213
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Its not war, but law enforcement...
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12/12/2020 11:18:44 10 17
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Speak for yourself
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12/12/2020 11:20:53 37 12
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French fishermen have been attacking British boats for years, and that’s long before Brexit was ever thought of.
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12/12/2020 11:22:19 16 7
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Bit late to find that out.
Guesz the French will have their patrol boats out in their waters to deter English fishermen.
And now the French will take the UK go court over breach of contract.
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12/12/2020 11:22:57 26 10
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No, we voted for the right to collect a reasonable fee from the French, Spanish etc., for accessing our sovereign waters. And to exert controls that will manage the fish stocks currently being decimated by their "hoover boats".
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12/12/2020 11:27:05 19 10
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The fishermen did... despite the fact they need access to French ports and EU markets to sell their fish bc we don't eat enough in thecUK for them to earn a living.
If ever they cut of their noses to spite their faces ...
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12/12/2020 11:31:46 18 17
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What war?.......protecting our coastal waters is not an act of war.......The BBC might think it is, but the all right thinking people recognise the need to protect our fishing grounds from those that would illegally fish in them.
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12/12/2020 11:39:25 7 2
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As UK waters are, by International law, the UK's, we wouldn't be going to war with French fisherman...they would be going to war with the UK. Regardless, give the French 1 month to apply for licenses to fish in UK waters under specified rulings re net sizes and quotas, and if they choose to ignore licensing either cut their nets and/or impound the trawlers. Perfectly legal
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12/12/2020 11:41:31 8 7
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Oh please another scare monger....
It’s not war, it’s enforcing the Law and protecting our sovereignty and our fish.
Get used. To it!
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12/12/2020 11:39:49 4 4
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Did you vote for all the price increases that are coming next year?
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12/12/2020 11:48:16 3 3
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French Fishermen shouldn't declare war then should they, nor be encouraged by the likes of you.
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12/12/2020 11:48:50 4 4
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Perhaps not, but it's a welcome bonus.
12/12/2020 12:27:24 1 1
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We didn't need to - they've been blocking the channel ports and by extension damaging the UK at the drop of a hat.
12/12/2020 12:31:52 0 1
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I think some people did. I've said from 2016 there is a minority who won't be happy unless we are actually at war.
12/12/2020 12:35:13 1 2
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Well, if they're going to trespass.
12/12/2020 12:40:59 1 1
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We also didn't vote for them to carry on regardless with nothing in return for us. Which is exactly what Macron means by his fair share of the cake.
R1
12/12/2020 12:59:23 0 1
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Being at war with the French is part of our heritage.
12/12/2020 13:06:31 0 2
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“we didn't vote to be at war with french fishermen”

We didn’t vote leave to allow the EU to continue to control our fishing waters nor to allow the EU to take most of our fish.
12/12/2020 13:44:00 0 0
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We didnt vote not to either. If they decide that they want to attack our vessels....again, because they dont like the rules then they should expect a response. We wont start it but we wont put up with it either.
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12/12/2020 11:13:02 503 204
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Embarrassing. The new global Britain. What a clown Boris is, pandering to uk nationalism.
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12/12/2020 11:15:51 373 93
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English nationalism
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12/12/2020 11:17:21 25 52
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Pandering to the majority, its called democracy
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12/12/2020 11:21:02 14 9
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Does this mean there will be supply problems re fish next year? We won’t notice as we are not a fish eating nation. Cod comes from somewhere else.
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12/12/2020 11:26:16 8 6
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Exactly.
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12/12/2020 11:28:44 9 35
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if you don't like it PACKYOU BAGS
12/12/2020 12:31:38 0 1
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Hey maybe if dunces over the years had pandered a tiny little more to English Nationalism then this wouldn't have happened in such an extreme and decisive way would it?
12/12/2020 12:40:02 2 2
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You mean protecting what is rightfully ours. Believe you me the French already think they have rights to fish where they like. They would ignore the fact that there is no deal on fishing and carry on regardless. If we sat back and did nothing, is that acceptable?
Jim
12/12/2020 12:54:07 1 1
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If your neighbour was threatening to just come into your garden and take your possessions, what would you do?

1) Say, I dont think you should, but I wont do anything

Or

2) Say, You are more than welcome to enter when invited, but if you come in here without my permission and just take my things then I am going to kick the s**t out of you
12/12/2020 12:54:38 0 3
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Nothing worse than a weak and pathetic individual is you td62?
R1
12/12/2020 12:58:30 0 3
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Sounds as if he is more patriotic than you. The Tower of London is over there, off you go.
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12/12/2020 11:13:04 10 28
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Looking forward to leaving on WTO terms on Sunday... ??
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12/12/2020 11:19:43 6 1
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Not WTO terms.
Australia terms.
Boris says so.
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12/12/2020 11:25:16 0 2
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so you have your money stashed away in off-shore banks I presume. lucky you
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12/12/2020 11:13:11 11 22
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If they want to invade our waters, they should know there will be consequences. Its important we provide this clarity now, rather than once the milk has already been spilt. It is up to the french to decide what they wish to do and cannot complain our stance was ambiguous.
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12/12/2020 11:17:52 3 4
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Great. Let's start a war over a few fish.
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12/12/2020 11:18:52 1 1
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It's not up to the French, it's up to the EU, on the instructions of 27 member states.
And on fishing, we will have a deal on 1/1/2021 ,wjth Norway, who will sell their carch in the EU, while our fishermen can't.
Clever, or what?
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12/12/2020 11:23:15 0 1
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yeah, get Gove to send a stronly worded letter. that should do it.
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Roy
12/12/2020 11:13:12 8 8
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Do we stop paying into the EU from January 1st
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12/12/2020 11:15:10 9 5
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No, the divorce settlement of about £40bn to pay yet. ??
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12/12/2020 11:16:09 0 2
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We probably still owe them some, so unless we want to destroy whatever reputation we have left, yes.
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12/12/2020 11:21:13 0 1
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LOL - of course not
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12/12/2020 11:13:15 6 25
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Boris has found some balls after all?!
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12/12/2020 11:14:48 9 3
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Whose are they?
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12/12/2020 11:15:51 1 2
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More like lost his marbles.
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12/12/2020 11:20:01 1 2
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he talks with them?
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12/12/2020 11:11:58 11 13
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Another HYS opened on Brexit! I think everything that can be said has been said. Let's wait until Sunday. My guess is that something will be cobbled together. Too much money at stake.
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12/12/2020 11:13:29 25 12
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And whatever that may be it will be rubbish compared to staying in EU.
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12/12/2020 11:13:34 10 10
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Bring a couple of Dreadnoughts out of mothballs - that'll put the wind up the French "Fishermen"
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12/12/2020 11:15:06 11 5
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The sad unimaginative lives some people live, thinking they are Biggles fighting WW2
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12/12/2020 11:13:36 257 89
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The EU is trying to 'impose' some rules on us, so let's accept much worse rules from the WTO.
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12/12/2020 11:37:07 199 64
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The brexiteers will never learn.

They are intent on blaming the EU for protecting itself.

Brexiteers - we have left, and the UK now has its sovereignty. The UK can either accept the deal, or walk away. We have a choice.

Stop acting like entitled brats as per the UK Tory ministers, the EU owes us absolutely NOTHING.

If you don't like the deal on offer, walk away. No one is forcing you.
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12/12/2020 11:38:19 30 5
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EU democratic. WTO not, yet so many decry DICTATORSHIP.
Weird.
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12/12/2020 11:41:52 17 33
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Its this type of comments that makes Remainers look like a fool. You have no understanding of what the EU is asking and what it means for the UK. If you worked in regulatory compliance like I do you'd see what effect having these EU rules without the ability to influence them would do to our businesses, but then that doesn't matter as long as you can travel to to spain for 2 weeks a year
IF Ignorance is bliss as they say, you must be like a pig in s*** Removed
12/12/2020 12:41:54 4 1
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The EU is not imposing rules on UK, the rules apply both ways
12/12/2020 13:00:13 2 4
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You are completely insane to suggest after the referendum and elections and all the aggro since 2016, that now we should just accept every diktat the EU thinks up! Or we can get out of it and voluntarily choose WTO which all the other countries in the world trade with. I am sure the WTO is not perfect but it leaves us free to do what we want at any time. The EU is a failure waiting to happen.
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12/12/2020 11:11:58 11 13
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Another HYS opened on Brexit! I think everything that can be said has been said. Let's wait until Sunday. My guess is that something will be cobbled together. Too much money at stake.
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12/12/2020 11:13:55 1 3
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Here’s hoping!
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12/12/2020 11:13:57 20 8
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You can see the photo opp - setting out for a high seas adventure, he’s going to be dressed as Captain Pugwash at the head of the ‘fleet’ with Master Mate Gove and Willy Williamson waving the flag to frighten them off

....while the engineers try to fix the engine and the dinghies from Calais slowly drift by on their way to Dover
.
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12/12/2020 11:13:59 7 5
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We will fight them in the channel, we will fight them in the North Sea, we will nevvvvvverrrrr surrrrrenderrr, well unless they give us a wary out.....
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12/12/2020 11:14:02 627 198
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Absolutely pathetic flag waving nonsense. Of course our territorial waters need to be policed, but in the middle of a negotiation why this nonsense. The answer is to distract us from the glorious failure of this government of no deal. "A million to one chance", "an oven ready deal" and "a failure of statecraft" to not get a deal said Bozo. No deal = failure = resign. In business you would be fired
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12/12/2020 11:25:27 300 48
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Of course he won't resign this culture of reward for failure has been going on for decades with people hanging on by their finger nails to get as much as they can. Gone are the days when top people had dignity and resigned on their own accord, now it's golden parachutes at the publics expense !!!
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12/12/2020 11:36:53 4 5
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Water moves people. Is that beyond the intelligence of people.
Reading posts that “our” waters etc shows that is the case.
Fish move as well, blue passports or not.
660
12/12/2020 11:40:09 9 3
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Not in the middle of negotiations, it's at the end.
12/12/2020 11:56:02 6 4
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I think BoJo is going for a win on the away goals rule and or going for last minute penalties... Oopps we are not good on penalties...
12/12/2020 12:01:51 10 2
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It takes two sides to sign a deal.
12/12/2020 12:11:42 3 14
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OVEN READY MEAL WA NOT FTA.
Facts please.
12/12/2020 12:24:40 7 9
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We have seen some nations lose on trade deals in recent years, such as the US losing to China. No deal is better than a bad deal. Trade deals are overhyped. As economists point out, there is a huge difference between a 'trade deal' and free trade.
12/12/2020 12:26:47 5 4
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So no fault with the EU then !!
12/12/2020 12:37:30 3 1
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In business after 4 years of prevarication? You'd have been sacked after a yr of no progress. You wouldn't have even got to yr 4. I wonder if any of these people have ever negotiated anything. Negotiation is simple. Quid pro quo. I yield on something you yield on something else. Trouble is we have 40+ years to unravel. But the principle remains. Win here ,lose there. Present it all as win/win.
12/12/2020 12:38:52 2 1
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It's just contingency work. The real question is why the BBC is reporting it in such dire tones and why some people are getting so fizzed up about it.
12/12/2020 12:44:13 1 3
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Johnson won't resign over this. He is a narcissist , he can see no wrong in anything he does.
De Pfeffel is the guy who could score an own goal in a football match and then expect credit from his teammates.
12/12/2020 12:51:05 0 2
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Or you’d be told to shut up and let the adults deal with things you clearly don’t understand
R1
12/12/2020 12:54:29 1 1
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And so would you be fired for lack of originality, and lack of trust in your leaders. Perhaps it would be best if you just changed countries / companies.
12/12/2020 13:16:31 3 2
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would have been better had everybody focussed on brexit after the ref instead of spending years arguing about it and behaving like brexit would not happen.we should have all been focussing on this since the ref happened and not left everything down to the final few months.remainers are a massive part of the reason why we have no deal
12/12/2020 13:05:22 3 2
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In the middle of a negotiation? What about the EU saying British citizens will not be allowed into the EU after 31st. This due to covid, not leaving the EU. Scare tactics, they know the UK will be successful after the shackles are taken away. BTW ,I voted to stay in the EU, the EU are acting spitefully, if they don't get their own way, so we will better off without them.
12/12/2020 13:09:09 1 1
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And I want to know why there appears to be no effective response from Her Majesty’s official Opposition.
12/12/2020 13:32:09 1 2
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Given that they will not deploy until after Jan 1st, it is hardly nonsense. The French have pretty much said that they will ignore any restrictions and continue to fish. Well, go ahead but dont complain when you get boarded and your boat seized for fishing illegally in another nation states territorial waters. Well done Boris I say.
12/12/2020 13:33:26 1 2
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what an absurd understanding you have of business. Are you15? In business you would be fired you would be fired for making the wrong decision! A deal on EU terms is 100% the wrong decision. Well done Boris and co. We voted to leave and looks like we will be getting this wish. The UK can now go forward and prosper.
Remainers, you know where the exits are....
12/12/2020 13:38:04 1 2
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Are you calling for all EU leaders to resign too?
After all, a deal relies on compromise from both sides.
12/12/2020 13:39:52 1 2
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Why do you say we have failed, haven't the EU also failed? That was their intention, of course - and people like you have been their allies.
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Edj
12/12/2020 13:46:55 1 2
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Lol, nobody cares about doom mongers like u anymore. Go Boris with your 80 majority. Most people support no deal. Will be a bit hard but such is life.
12/12/2020 13:47:10 1 1
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its you who should be fired we want our fishing rights and our soverigntry back even Norway is now stopping French and E.U. fishing in their waters
12/12/2020 13:58:01 1 1
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Reminding the French and the Spanish that we will police the waters after we leave the EU will warn them that we mean business, therefore it is essential
12/12/2020 14:49:55 0 0
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We're NOT "in the middle of negotiations".
We've reached the end, without agreement.
This means we must have assets in place to protect UK interests.
Let me guess: you'd be screaming "incompetence"! if the government failed to protect our interests.
Typical Remainer double standards.
12/12/2020 15:02:15 0 0
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Barnier - a failed negotiator. Resign.
12/12/2020 15:19:51 0 0
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True. Johnson has been fired several times.

I wish the Tory MP's would grow a backbone and get rid of him.
12/12/2020 15:22:12 0 0
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The waters are always policed. No flag waving nonsense here, just normal procedure. Blahblahblah more 15 minute nonsense.
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12/12/2020 11:14:02 352 82
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God its pathetic
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12/12/2020 11:49:45 164 45
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And what happens to the foreign companies who bought quotas from English fishermen? Surely they have a lawful right to fish?
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12/12/2020 12:08:40 24 5
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Does anyone really think Brexit is bothering anyone in the EU? Read the headlines here, Brexit nowhere to be seen.
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12/12/2020 11:14:04 8 4
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I'll get the popcorn. The comments will be entertaining to read.
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12/12/2020 11:17:04 2 3
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Sadly not...
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12/12/2020 11:14:08 248 66
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We have a political and economic problem of monumental proportions for which the UK government has had ample warning. The response? Send a gunboat! Says it all, surely.
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12/12/2020 11:31:58 118 69
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Macron made this same threat before Johnson
R1
12/12/2020 13:03:33 1 6
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As a result of Labour running down the armed forces. Better than an inflatable though.
12/12/2020 15:01:17 0 1
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no we don't only rejoiners do because now even the Lib-Dems aren't going to revoke Brexit, so what will you little darlings do next election?
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12/12/2020 11:14:11 8 7
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Another HYS on Brexit? Seriously BBC, is there anything more that can be said?
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12/12/2020 11:14:12 173 38
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Negotiations have not finished, there is always a chance of a last minute breakthrough, but the gun boats are brought out.

Does the UK really want a deal, or has Johnson always had a preferred no-deal outcome ?
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12/12/2020 11:53:44 44 11
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He wants one ... or maybe he'll change his mind (to ensure he's on the winning side).
12/12/2020 12:00:45 1 4
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well I think that's what the majority of us that voted leave want rather than surrender all our sovereignty.
12/12/2020 12:21:40 2 1
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You mean the Fisheries Protection Vessels that enforce the EU Quotas, but will now be enforcing UK quotas, which EU fishermen won't have?
12/12/2020 12:41:17 6 1
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Boris knows what he is doing, he just doesn't know whether he wants a deal or not yet.

Right now his little underlings are scurrying around trying to gauge public opinion on this no deal scenario. Whichever outcome he goes for will not be the one best for the country, but the one that best suits his political career.

Its all matter of which one he can spin better.

Worst PM of my lifetime.
12/12/2020 13:01:29 1 1
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A chance if deal? Trump has more chance of sleeping in the presidential scratcher come January 20.
12/12/2020 13:02:40 3 1
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"Does the UK really want a deal, or has Johnson always had a preferred no-deal outcome?"

UK wants a deal, but England doesn't—so said the majority of English when they voted to quit, & later voted BoJo a big majority.

England are about to learn the downside of being the big country in UK—the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Empire days are over, it won't be so easy to disown this damage.
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12/12/2020 11:11:52 17 13
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Perhaps the French trawlers should be redirected to Russian territorial waters. I’m sure they’d receive a warm welcome.
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12/12/2020 11:14:15 7 9
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So we should stoop to the level of a Russian response, then. I'm sure that will work wonders for international relations and really bolster our trade prospects...
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12/12/2020 11:21:13 0 1
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Nope. I think we need a deal!

But just quite funny to imagine a Russian response. I can’t imagine there’d be too much hand-wringing...
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12/12/2020 11:14:16 14 14
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The usual BBC anti-Brexit scaremongering!

We already have 3 patrol boats assigned to protect our fishing vessels - one more is not going to make a huge difference!
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12/12/2020 11:17:05 7 3
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Dont ruin the BBCs story.
Scaremongering is how they get the punters in.
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12/12/2020 11:17:33 1 1
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If it is scaremongering for the BBC to report it in a neutral way, then you must surely agree that it is brainless jingoism for the Daily Mail and the Express to splash it across their front pages in huge font as if it were a great thing.
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12/12/2020 11:22:30 0 1
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so an increase of 25%
The usual anti-BBC rant from Brexiteers.
Why can't you ever be positive about YOUR Brexit, delivered by YOUR Prime Minister?
Tell us about the new freedoms you will exercising on Jan 1st. Or the benefits to UK consumers and exporters of paying WTO tariffs. Tell us how wonderful the promised Sunlit Uplands will be.....
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12/12/2020 11:12:20 669 151
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Can’t recall gun boats being mentioned previously. All going well then.
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12/12/2020 11:14:16 446 146
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Fishery protection vessels, we have had them for years.
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12/12/2020 11:19:22 83 104
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Who thumbs factual comments down? I will never understand that mentality.
Obviously its pure Brexit hatred.
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12/12/2020 11:22:10 56 5
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with guns?
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12/12/2020 11:35:12 18 38
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Yes we have. Anyway the French were never going to agree. They never have and never will!
Feel sorry for the rest of Europeans, most of whom want out of the EU and it’s stranglehold on everything. It’s a vast money pit!
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12/12/2020 11:38:36 9 24
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Rejoiners are very ill informed, or they tell porkies.
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12/12/2020 11:46:56 6 1
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Agree with you that we've had them for years, but before we had a lot more of them. The Island class and the Castle class vessels were built in Aberdeen and did a first class job from the 1970's onward. The two castle class vessels even went to the Falklands in the 80's
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12/12/2020 11:48:01 8 4
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Wrong - they are naval ships. Scotland has fisheries protection vessels. Went well the last time against Iceland.
12/12/2020 12:01:45 1 1
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I think you mean vessel.
gaz
12/12/2020 12:09:39 0 5
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Should help with negotiations. French will now finally get it
12/12/2020 12:12:31 4 2
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Last used in the Cod Wars.... they went well for Britain.... we lost to Iceland!
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12/12/2020 11:14:21 164 42
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Pathetic
12/12/2020 12:43:12 21 45
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A little. One word answers look like you haven't tried very hard at all. I'm sure your next effort will be better though.
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12/12/2020 11:14:21 579 184
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Its a bit like handing in your notice from a job that you have been doing for 40 years,then spending the next four weeks saying how easy it will be to get another job while doing bug*er all to actually get one,then on the day your notice expires,realising that the rent is due and the cars packed up.Only worse.?????????
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12/12/2020 11:19:36 397 71
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And then starting a fight with your old boss
And then blaming your former employer for not taking you back on, because you told him you wouldn't agree to abide by the rules and regulations of the company.
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12/12/2020 11:39:15 20 47
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And then finding out your boss wants you to allow all their other employees to raid your fridge and freezer forever, tell you what you cant do in the home you own and demands that the board of directors get to decide if you are in the wrong or not for the rest of your life regardless.
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12/12/2020 11:38:10 9 25
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Nonsense
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12/12/2020 11:44:27 8 22
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No, looks more like handing P45's to recalcitrant employees, then asking the law to punish them when they return to try and rob you. ;-)
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12/12/2020 11:50:11 4 3
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Speaking from experience?
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12/12/2020 11:50:41 15 18
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And then realising that you boss is in the eyes of the law a bully, but when you try to take legal action you find your boss is the judge and jury.
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12/12/2020 11:52:31 16 3
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Dont forget to also blame the "London elites" and "rabid remainers". After all they didnt help by warning that you cant have your cake and eat it too.
W1A
12/12/2020 11:52:50 10 8
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Thanks you have summed up the eu brilliantly, like a dominant boss who you cannot work (for!) with any more...
12/12/2020 11:59:09 1 2
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Perfectly sums up the situation.
12/12/2020 12:04:26 10 2
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But think of the money well save in commuting! We can spend it on the NHS, er hang on something’s not quite right here,
12/12/2020 12:15:37 13 5
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So true. We had an employee where I worked who thought he was the best and irreplaceable. A couple of times he handed his notice in to force a pay rise

The third time he tried it, the company said "NO"

He went into a meeting with the boss to discuss things. A short while later he was being escorted off site by security, no job at all!

EU red lines are clear. UK arrogance will cripple the UK
12/12/2020 12:19:33 7 6
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I think the Leavers have won this particular metaphor argument.
12/12/2020 12:20:37 5 5
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No,it's ceasing membership of a club for which you no longer feel the benefits of membership are worth the £15.5 billion pa membership fee, associated rules and trade-offs. That's not just what it is like, it's what it is. Not everyone feels that way, but that's the overall picture. Mervyn King got it right in 2016.. in 10 years time people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
12/12/2020 12:23:14 1 1
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Blimey, glad you don't live in the same UK as me, how depressing.
12/12/2020 12:36:24 4 1
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Think that’s the problem - bozo and the rest of the cabinet don’t actually need jobs, just a game to them.
12/12/2020 12:47:23 1 1
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It's a bit like being sacked from your job (EU) and then you keep turning up for work (UK waters) and the boss calls security to escort you off site. A bit like that.
12/12/2020 12:48:07 0 1
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Except negotiating a deal with the EU isn't. Or else they'd all be done really quickly and well ahead of any deadlines without any games or posturing.
12/12/2020 13:05:12 2 1
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What the heck I'm a remainer now
Ian
12/12/2020 13:08:50 1 2
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No it's not. It's more like selling your house and then telling the new owner you want to keep 80% of the back garden. Who would agree to that? If the single market is so wonderful and protected, why are they so frightened to let a small sovereign nation have access to it. Funny how Ireland has changed it's tune. Wait while we push up the price on imports with our tariffs lol
12/12/2020 13:28:57 1 1
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Universal Credit next. Or the IMF, in this case.
12/12/2020 14:23:09 0 0
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but then you dont expect your old boss to change the rules to make it impossible to get a new job and just to kick you in your teeth want to to keep paying to the holiday fund. And if you dont sign up to all the extras they will fine you
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12/12/2020 11:11:58 11 13
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Another HYS opened on Brexit! I think everything that can be said has been said. Let's wait until Sunday. My guess is that something will be cobbled together. Too much money at stake.
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12/12/2020 11:14:31 5 4
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So you voted leave then?
And have no arguments to back up your case?
And what happens if your guess is wrong?
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12/12/2020 11:14:40 64 13
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It is well know no deal was the preferred position of the extremes of The Tory party. If they had been honest from the onset we could have avoided this costly charade , Any potential savings for years to come have already been spaffed up the wall.
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12/12/2020 11:13:15 6 25
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Boris has found some balls after all?!
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12/12/2020 11:14:48 9 3
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Whose are they?
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12/12/2020 11:14:53 270 81
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Forcing a catastrophic no-deal on the UK in the middle of a pandemic is going to destroy lives and livelihoods in the UK - an act of political stupidity beyond belief. Extend the transition period and get a deal!
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12/12/2020 11:35:31 186 41
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Unfortunately it’s been ideologically driven nonsense since day one. Boris et al have finally got what they always wanted despite their best efforts at covering their tracks - a no-deal Brexit which anyone involved in farming, sales, service etc etc etc could tell you is a total nightmare.
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12/12/2020 11:36:52 2 29
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and keep on extending it ad infinitum, still singing to the EU's tune, Yep that's a good idea
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12/12/2020 11:42:26 34 2
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Trouble is that there are STILL people in this country who seem to think it is 1940: plucky little England against the evil European menace. What a rude awakening awaits them - and they will never connect it with the way they voted in 2016.
12/12/2020 12:02:04 2 7
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Extend? you mean longer than the four and a half years it's already taken.
12/12/2020 12:19:36 0 17
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It is worse in the EU, but Macron wants to get re-elected at any cost, Merkel is a Zombie and her reign ends in a few months, so poor old German auto-workers will suffer, and French, Belgium, Dutch and Irish fishermen, but only the French can vote for Macron - I bet the Germans, Irish, Belgians and Dutch love that. ;-)
12/12/2020 13:33:39 1 3
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"Extend"

You having a laugh.

We have had half a decade of this nonsense.

NO DEAL
12/12/2020 14:01:25 1 0
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do you want to pay to extend
12/12/2020 14:55:41 0 1
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It is going to destroy more in the EU, covid lock-down is the problem here, not Brexit, though I pity Barcelona's Nissan workers ,they probably believed the UK rejoiners that Sunderland would close and they would be OK, silly really, because anything a UK rejoiner predicts, the opposite usually happens.
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12/12/2020 11:14:59 3 8
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How many French Navy boats will get scuttled this time?
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12/12/2020 11:15:00 188 70
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What a utterly pathetic state of affairs.
Our government is disgusting.
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12/12/2020 11:23:35 48 37
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It what is guys up North voted for !!
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12/12/2020 11:36:33 7 17
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Typical left wing drivel......Why is it disgusting to defend your own territorial waters.....You might think it pathetic, but those with a backbone think the action being taken is correct and necessary.
12/12/2020 14:06:07 1 0
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and so are you
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12/12/2020 11:12:00 463 152
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Gun Boat threat. Have we not been here before with the Cod Wars. They did not turn out well for the UK who turned up chest puffed up with big warships and got a bloody nose from captain Birds Eye. Will they ever learn
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12/12/2020 11:15:03 222 44
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Also, we have 4 fisheries boats for three seas. Not great coverage! Perhaps the Icelanders would help us out this time...
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12/12/2020 11:25:07 18 7
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Clearly you are not up to date with modern naval techniques it is more than sufficient
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Pip
12/12/2020 11:31:39 10 9
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When the Scot's, Irish and Welsh all leave, we'll have more than enough boats for what's left for us to fish.............?
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12/12/2020 11:36:08 1 6
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Armed drones aka Afghanistan the way to go.
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12/12/2020 11:36:42 3 3
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Might be the odd aircraft as well
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12/12/2020 11:43:13 4 5
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Don't worry, it won't take the arresting of many trawlers before the message gets home
777
12/12/2020 11:46:27 4 2
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Don't need to patrol all coastal waters - just those most endangered by illegal fishing
12/12/2020 11:55:29 0 2
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What good would two fingers do?
12/12/2020 12:04:16 0 1
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the press say war ships my friend.
12/12/2020 12:09:09 4 5
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Once the UK has confiscated 3-4 EU fishing boats they will get the message.
12/12/2020 13:27:45 0 2
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We can’t stop migrants crossing the channel .... finding a European fishing boat at sea, nigh on impossible with our crafts and equipment.... ludicrous
12/12/2020 13:16:18 1 1
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Actually we had five vessels & one helicopter at the end of 2019 & are expanding this to 27 vessels, two long range aircraft & more helicopters.

Please try a little research regarding the matter.
12/12/2020 14:13:10 0 1
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I was thinking the same.
How on Earth can they cover the vast area to be protected?
12/12/2020 15:35:06 0 0
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Iceland only had 1 vessel and it caused most of its damage by running over nets with a cutter, my uncle was there. UK backed down in the interests of NATO & the sonar base in Iceland covering GIUK gap.
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12/12/2020 11:15:04 15 34
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Johnson is a great guy, trying to do his best. I admire him. You may moan now but next election, you WILL ALL vote for him.
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12/12/2020 11:16:16 4 4
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...like all the Iraqi people voted for Saddam (not)
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12/12/2020 11:17:09 0 3
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And I'm the Emperor of China!
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12/12/2020 11:17:17 1 3
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Yeah right. Vote for him and his cronies to be tried for crimes against th state and its people.
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12/12/2020 11:17:52 0 2
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Nah
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12/12/2020 11:18:08 1 3
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You know the story of the emperor's new clothes. Well you are the guys saying how great he looks in the new clothes. The EU are the ones wetting themselves laughing at the complete idiot :-)
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12/12/2020 11:19:18 0 1
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Whatever You say Sir
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12/12/2020 11:19:38 0 1
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He’s going to have to pull some rabbits out of the hat for that. Not one act since he became PM would convince me to give him a vote
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12/12/2020 11:13:34 10 10
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Bring a couple of Dreadnoughts out of mothballs - that'll put the wind up the French "Fishermen"
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12/12/2020 11:15:06 11 5
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The sad unimaginative lives some people live, thinking they are Biggles fighting WW2
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12/12/2020 11:26:23 1 2
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Biggles was a WW1 pilot.
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12/12/2020 11:15:08 123 23
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Hang on...... Gun boats?!
501
12/12/2020 11:36:05 119 31
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Maybe to pander to the WW2 heyday rose-tinted glasses brigade that Boris is also a member of? I'm tired of trying to fathom what's going on these days.
12/12/2020 12:17:20 3 10
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Rejoiners live in some mythical past, leave them to it, that's why the BBC opens so many HYS - they need a safe space to rant in.
12/12/2020 14:05:12 1 0
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Yes, they are boats with a gun, hence gun-boats.
“Johnson announces new world-beating Marine test-and-trace system. The £2bn contract has been awarded to a trusted contact who has little experience in the field and though has registered a new offshore company which is yet to be operational, assures that this will be ready and functional by 1st January 2021”
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12/12/2020 11:23:38 51 19
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Now that is absolutely spot on.
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Roy
12/12/2020 11:13:12 8 8
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Do we stop paying into the EU from January 1st
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12/12/2020 11:15:10 9 5
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No, the divorce settlement of about £40bn to pay yet. ??
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VF
12/12/2020 11:22:22 2 1
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Wonder if they will offer to pay in fish?
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12/12/2020 11:25:02 2 2
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We don't pay that until the deal is made. We keep the money in event of no deal but we will need a few more magic money trees to save our nation from the poor house.
12/12/2020 12:22:29 0 1
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We also have to pay back the money paid for fishing quota
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12/12/2020 11:15:12 99 26
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Whipping up nationalist sentiment- hoping the masses will get behind Johnson against Johnny Foreigner.

How did we do in the last Cod Wars? ??
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12/12/2020 11:39:43 53 14
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It'll get better when the Little Ingerlanders realise the bulk of our fishing fleet operates out of Scotland.....
12/12/2020 15:23:07 0 0
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We are now in the Iceland role, these are our seas. Dear Lord if this is an example of the understanding of our 'intelligentsia' remainers ,the sooner they leave for the EU the better.
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12/12/2020 11:15:14 61 8
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4 Navy boats? We have that many left?
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12/12/2020 11:38:24 34 5
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The rest are protecting our single operational aircraft carrier (which has no planes).......
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12/12/2020 11:15:28 146 30
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Do we really want to be doing this?
We already have 3 ships out there, looking after our interests. Are we suggesting that adding another will ensure complete coverage of the 80,000 sq miles. It took 22 ships to patrol the waters between us and Iceland during the last fish hissy fit.
Should we be bolstering our governments intransigence like this, over something no-one really wants any more.
12/12/2020 12:05:51 42 5
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It took those ships and quite a few Nimrods and Shackletons. The Shacks have retired (a development of the Lancaster). The Nimrods were scrapped leaving a huge hole in the UK defences that the Tories said could be filled by borrowing off NATO. They have since (partially) replaced this capability with American aircraft.
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12/12/2020 11:13:02 398 123
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we didn't vote to be at war with french fishermen
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12/12/2020 11:15:32 305 213
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Its not war, but law enforcement...
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12/12/2020 11:18:42 14 12
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No shame
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12/12/2020 11:26:41 28 14
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Just watch the EU enforce their law. No "British" fish will be allowed to be sold into the EU without the proper approval.

Then watch the British fishermen whine about how they are going broke because of Brexit.
316
12/12/2020 11:29:12 20 6
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Not in Boris and farages eyes. It is absolutely all about flag waving.
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12/12/2020 11:30:25 3 1
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It won't be law enforcement until the existing deal is terminated. It's currently live.
407
12/12/2020 11:32:57 7 9
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No it's an illegal war of Bonkers Boris's and the Brexiteers making.
472
12/12/2020 11:35:17 1 2
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Which Law? Who enforces the law and which court presides.
611
12/12/2020 11:40:17 6 7
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You don't enforce laws with the military.
Think how happy you'd be if the Boris deployed the military on the streets of the UK. That is similar to how the French feel today.
12/12/2020 11:57:36 1 1
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law enforcement thru war ships......i have seen that in past, some nations never change, good, happy you guys are gone, now we can have EU and not EU and UK with tons of exceptions.
12/12/2020 12:08:18 3 2
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From a government that tries to break international law .
ab
12/12/2020 12:10:01 3 2
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True
12/12/2020 12:15:19 2 3
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The EU fishermen have a legal document, called a quota, which they legally purchased (or lease) from the British fishermen who sold it to them.
This legal quota allows them to continue fishing in the waters stated on their quota until HMG buys back the quota from the EU fishermen and that has to go through the legal system first.
12/12/2020 12:31:20 1 1
bbc
Which law?
12/12/2020 12:31:57 2 1
bbc
.........which may lead to war.
12/12/2020 12:40:01 1 3
bbc
you seems to think similar to Bojo
12/12/2020 13:00:05 2 1
bbc
OK so if French customs 100% enforce EU law on all arrivals from the UK (trucks and cars) You're fine with that?
12/12/2020 13:15:50 1 1
bbc
Do you regularly see gunboats being used in law enforcement? No? Sit back down then.
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12/12/2020 11:15:33 11 15
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More rubbish being reported and squashed in the report too, we have 3 boats with 45 naval men and women patrolling for at least 275 days a year already, so we are adding 1 more boat, big deal made into a big zero of a story, well done the BBC.
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12/12/2020 11:17:19 1 3
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So for almost 100 Days the Enemy can do what they will ?
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12/12/2020 11:37:09 0 1
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And we *still* cannot control people in rubber boats crossing a two hundred mile stretch, let alone Danish, French, Dutch, Icelandic, Norwegian, Russian, Irish, Spanish fishing fleets in our territorial waters, out to Rockall
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12/12/2020 11:15:46 95 35
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Bumbling, boorish, bulls*****r Boris blows it.

He has no comprehension of how the EU works, including its democratic processes.

Gunboats??? The petulant, arrogant b******s will be starting a war next.
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12/12/2020 11:29:07 38 7
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With all the cuts to our forces for austerity we can not even compete in a war. That is why we have turned the usual 3 gunboats into 4 gunboats. We don't seem to have 5 gunboats anymore. I bet the French had the laugh at the adding of 1 gunboat as a show of force.
12/12/2020 12:31:21 2 0
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Macron had already stated that the French navy would defend French fishing grounds- a week before Boris!
12/12/2020 14:10:26 1 0
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the E.U. is not democratic
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12/12/2020 11:13:02 503 204
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Embarrassing. The new global Britain. What a clown Boris is, pandering to uk nationalism.
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12/12/2020 11:15:51 373 93
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English nationalism
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12/12/2020 11:23:35 23 9
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Exactly.
184
12/12/2020 11:23:38 40 11
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Exactly. Self destructive, pointless willy-waving.
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12/12/2020 11:26:51 9 21
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The Royal Navy is British - not English. Whilst I respect your sentiment, but do not agree with it, your comment is more accurately described as 'British nationalism'.
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12/12/2020 11:29:04 7 23
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What nationality are you?....Clearly no British.
355
12/12/2020 11:30:36 15 9
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English nationalism bad Scottish nationalism good
438
12/12/2020 11:33:47 10 3
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Sorry, but as a Scotsman I can assure you, we have our quota of Nationalist (Unionist) and I'm pretty sure Northern Ireland and Wales will have theirs too.
Can't blame this on the English as much as I'd like to.
714
12/12/2020 11:44:00 2 5
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Sadly I am Welsh, living in England with no escape route out..how would BWRECKSITEERS vote NOW?...
882
12/12/2020 11:50:01 2 3
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The Irish, Welsh and Scots seem to be able to be 'Nationalist' why not us English, or are we honorary Catalans and Basques, but without our own Parliament?
12/12/2020 12:09:35 0 1
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Correct - from an Englishman.
12/12/2020 12:55:18 0 2
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And proud.
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12/12/2020 11:13:15 6 25
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Boris has found some balls after all?!
53
12/12/2020 11:15:51 1 2
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More like lost his marbles.
54
12/12/2020 11:15:55 59 13
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These ships would be better patrolling the Channel for illegal crossings.
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12/12/2020 11:18:03 29 6
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They do, and if any look in trouble we pick them up and transport them safely to the UK processing site
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12/12/2020 11:20:59 6 7
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Crossing the Channel is not illegal, thankfully.
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12/12/2020 11:29:52 7 3
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For survivors of human trafficking and exploitation you mean.
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12/12/2020 11:39:03 6 8
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Xenophobic post.
Where has basic humanity gone.
12/12/2020 12:24:07 4 0
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"These ships would be better patrolling the Channel for illegal crossings."

...and do what?

They pick them up and bring them to the UK, which loses the right to send them back to their "First Safe Country" after 2020, because of Brexit!

Brexit makes illegal immigration much worse for the UK!

In other news, UK vastly underestimates number of people coming from HK...

...600,000 next year! :S
12/12/2020 12:34:51 0 0
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Not their job, and anyway all they can do is rescue.
12/12/2020 13:02:46 2 0
bbc
Absolutely, get those inflatables towed back to the French coast the mostly economic migrants are seeking 'refuge' from.
12/12/2020 13:24:13 0 0
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They will have to do that as well
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12/12/2020 11:11:26 463 158
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If you leave a club you can't expect to use its facilities. That's how it works for ordinary people. The trouble is it doesn't apply to people of Johnson's privileged background. Old Etonians have their old school tie network. The Bullingdon Club would welcome back an old member, especially if he paid for damages to the restaurants they trash. So he just doesn't get that actions have consequences.
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12/12/2020 11:16:05 385 410
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If by "club" you mean the single market - lots of countries use it - but are not expected to obey every whim invented by the EU for evermore.We are being attacked for having the nerve to leave the EU cartel...
Such pathetic victimhood. You sound like a BLM campaigner. Snowflake indeed. Removed
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12/12/2020 11:23:51 67 14
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No member is expected to obey a "a whim" and all members vote on those "whims". Typical leave paranoid europhobic nonsense.
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12/12/2020 11:24:27 43 8
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'attacked' ?! grow up. you must write for the Mail
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12/12/2020 11:27:47 34 13
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Too much right wing media consumption there.
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12/12/2020 11:28:08 37 22
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Don't know why anyone is surprised at the current situation - Tusk is on record as saying the UK "must be punished" for suggesting that a member can leave, even before the referendum
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SJ
12/12/2020 11:28:25 36 8
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Only countries in the single market get to use the single market.
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12/12/2020 11:29:57 13 17
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The EU is punishing the UK as a message to the other countries threatening to leave. If the UK is allowed to leave amicably then other countries may leave. If you allow one country to leave amicably then you don’t have a stick to hold over the others.
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12/12/2020 11:31:11 17 10
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You are forgetting that it was UK (while still being part of the EU) that helped to create those rules. So stop behaving like a spoiled teenager and grow up.
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12/12/2020 11:31:49 22 4
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no, lots of countries trade with the EU, that's (partly) what they are there for, only members have unfettered access to the single market. So if you are not part of the club and pay your membership fees you have to pay more for access. It's not difficult, every gym operates that way
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12/12/2020 11:37:36 6 2
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The correct term for this is realpolitik.

The world is run by the big economic blocs, USA, China and the EU.

If you want to play the game they choose the bat, the ball and the rule book.

No amount of wishing will get you a horse.
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12/12/2020 11:39:58 3 7
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Sorry old chap you are wrong! Other countries have EU 'trade deals', & on those deals 'common rules' are agreed for the products/activities involved. This is no different, except that the UK is attempting to have virtually the same access as when a member, but without the same rules. The UK is trying to have its cake & eat it, plain & simple. PS. It's the poor that'll suffer with no deal, big time
732
12/12/2020 11:44:56 1 3
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That's paranoia for you. The UK is now just another country with no favours granted just because we once played for the team
778
12/12/2020 11:46:28 2 4
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No, you are not attacked. You are just asked to follow the same rules, procedures and benefits as anyone else. ALL countries have their EU issues, and (just like the UK has) have exceptions in place within the EU framework. Exceptions granted are decided by 27 membership countries. The UK decided to leave, why do you want to receive exactly the same EU benefits, but not the rules once you are out?
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12/12/2020 11:47:17 5 2
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But it seems the 'Club' can pop over to your private lake and take all the fish ;-)
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12/12/2020 11:51:55 0 1
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Every agreement and or contract has consequences for acts and or omissions that apply to everyone. The letter of the law always stands and it can be exercised / tested by anyone who feels that the other party has breached or not met the laws intentions... Sorry don't agree with you...
12/12/2020 11:56:28 2 1
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Stop reading the Express/Mail, it is making you look silly
12/12/2020 11:58:36 2 2
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We had a veto! Do try and keep up.
12/12/2020 12:04:51 1 1
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I think you'll find this is all self inflicted which makes it even more pointless.
12/12/2020 12:07:02 1 1
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Not every whim perhaps, but some of them and we’re refusing to do even that. Also, we are far more integrated than say Canada or Australia. We have huge exports into the EU and are geographically next door. Of course the EU isn’t going to be relaxed about our regulatory stances like they are about other associate members.
ab
12/12/2020 12:09:23 0 2
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NO DEAL please
12/12/2020 12:11:02 1 2
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As a member we had an affective veto over EU laws etc. The fact that successive governments chose not to use it is not the fault of the EU set up.
12/12/2020 12:11:46 0 1
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No, we just want something for nothing and they wont give in to bullies. Bullies tend not to be very bright so it might take Johnson and co a while to catch on.
12/12/2020 12:14:26 0 1
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Rubbish
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RM
12/12/2020 11:16:09 69 25
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Brexit: UK-EU talks continue as Navy boats put on standby
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The EU is a force for good and prevented wars between member states for over 40 years.
The UK left the EU one year ago and now threatens a 'gun board diplomacy'.
Russia & China will profit from this fallout of NATO members.
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12/12/2020 11:18:38 34 54
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Get your facts right. The EU has not prevented ANY wars at all between member states.

You'll have to wait for the EU Army to make such claims.
12/12/2020 12:29:22 2 2
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Largely due to NATO - the EU did such a sterling job in Ukraine eh?
In any event, and EU army is just around the corner -Biden will insist that Europe develops the capacity to defend itself without US help!
12/12/2020 13:10:31 1 0
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Beautufully summed up.
12/12/2020 13:10:35 0 0
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Yeah you can thank Nato and the UN for post war peace in Europe. Both predate the EU monster that sprang from the EEC and at a far lower monetary cost.
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Roy
12/12/2020 11:13:12 8 8
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Do we stop paying into the EU from January 1st
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12/12/2020 11:16:09 0 2
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We probably still owe them some, so unless we want to destroy whatever reputation we have left, yes.
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12/12/2020 11:16:11 351 71
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Just like Trump playing to his base
He knows Brexits main supporters are English Nationalists with generally low levels of education.

The kind of WWII obsessed Brits who get very exctied at the thought of big ships and armed forces but have a very thin understanding of economics and still (amazingly) dont yet understand how no deal will negatively effect them in their daily lives
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12/12/2020 12:11:34 14 1
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But that base is shrinking. Starmer does not have to make any effort Boris doing all the work for him
12/12/2020 12:15:43 0 7
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and his base like it, ;-)
12/12/2020 12:41:16 0 0
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And which base is he playing to with his (most un-trumplike) environmental initiatives? Or is that just playing the field?
12/12/2020 12:52:58 0 0
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Yeah, Sir Kier wouldn't have done that...
12/12/2020 13:35:26 0 0
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What’s left of them. You’re common Trumper is catching Covid 19 at world record rates are the moment.
12/12/2020 13:58:17 0 0
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and the majority of the country
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12/12/2020 11:16:15 101 24
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Britain used to rule the waves, now we're just waiving the rules.
12/12/2020 11:56:41 19 5
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Blimey, your comment made me laugh so much, it hurt! Brilliant!
12/12/2020 12:05:21 2 0
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A nice schoolboy pun, but what rules are you referring?
12/12/2020 14:09:24 1 0
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just like the French who have been breaking the law for years and years
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12/12/2020 11:15:04 15 34
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Johnson is a great guy, trying to do his best. I admire him. You may moan now but next election, you WILL ALL vote for him.
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12/12/2020 11:16:16 4 4
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...like all the Iraqi people voted for Saddam (not)
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12/12/2020 11:16:35 6 8
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All the usual macho breast beating rhetoric from Bozo. When is he going to realise that this doesn't work and hasn't worked since the good old days of empire.? Sending gunboats out is so 19th Century.
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12/12/2020 11:16:40 13 8
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So, our Royal Navy can spare 4 vessels to patrol our waters (well done past and present govt cuts). Those 4 boats will absolutely have no trouble patrolling and covering all of UK's territorial waters in the English Channel and North Sea will they? How many thousand square miles will these 4 boats have to cover? Utterly ludicrous posturing from Bojo. Tarzan's chest beating had more deterrent!
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12/12/2020 11:18:49 4 1
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If only there was some kind of magical device that could track boats and tell them where they are or where they are heading.
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Soo
12/12/2020 11:28:02 0 1
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Say what? The so desired fishing grounds extend throughout the UK's territorial waters?
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12/12/2020 11:26:03 1 0
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Well, we’ve got submarines with nuclear missiles - could cure the problem with one shot! But, wait a minute . . .
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12/12/2020 11:16:45 342 111
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Gunboats in the waters - transformation into a banana republic complete. Brexit has completely ruined this country. If I could I would leave the UK in a heartbeat
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12/12/2020 11:28:16 179 246
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Can I pack your bag
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12/12/2020 11:35:14 29 32
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no one is stopping you, if you think you'll have a better life elsewhere away you go.
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12/12/2020 11:37:29 29 13
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I did ,live in Spain now could not be happier nice people and great lifestyle the uk has had it And most would I leave the banana it is becoming
In my line of work I see lots of people who voted for Brexit are leaving the country because the left and now BLM are destroying it and will continue to do so. Brexit unfortunately has come 20/30 years too late, the damage has been done and will continue. Some people have foresight and vision can see what’s going to happen in years to come and some have their heads in the clouds.... Removed
12/12/2020 11:58:01 18 8
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I quite agree Parmenion but Bojo and his cronies have done everything in their power to stop the lower orders from leaving and will tax us to high heaven and will alter the retirement age to 78 for the privilege. Still we'll have a blue passport made in the EU to wave in peoples faces.
12/12/2020 12:11:56 3 0
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Slight correction here. Surely you mean banana monarchy?
12/12/2020 12:15:43 0 0
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You have had 4 1/2 years notice how long do you need?
12/12/2020 12:15:58 3 3
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Its very easy to leave, so please do. Also tell the 1000's dieing to come here illegally its not worth it and take them back with you.
12/12/2020 12:16:17 2 2
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What is stopping you?
jfc
12/12/2020 12:16:47 2 0
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I have.
12/12/2020 12:22:41 2 3
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Just go then
12/12/2020 12:23:46 1 3
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Please go!
12/12/2020 12:33:18 4 1
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Or, if like me, you have a Scottish parent or grandparent, wait for Indyref2, and subsequently apply for a Scottish (and therefore EU) passport.
12/12/2020 12:41:45 2 0
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Need a hand packing your bag
12/12/2020 12:42:34 2 0
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Go on then off you go....its obviously distressing you far too much staying here. If Europe fills your heart, go and live there.
12/12/2020 12:43:16 2 1
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Bye.

Daily sailings from Dover to the EU land of milk and honey. Other ports of exit are available.
12/12/2020 12:44:39 2 0
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Dinghies are cheap and can be found strewn along the South Coast of England. Hop aboard and get paddling if it's that bad.
12/12/2020 12:56:53 2 0
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Wrong. People with your attitude is ruining our country.
12/12/2020 12:57:28 1 0
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Left 10 years a
12/12/2020 12:57:50 1 0
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Left 10 years ago, saw it coming
R1
12/12/2020 13:02:16 1 1
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Try swimming. France isn't that far you know.
12/12/2020 13:03:43 0 0
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Also isnt the term Banana Republic defamatory and a little racist?
12/12/2020 13:17:12 1 1
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Already have. Feel sorry for the many misled by Johnson and Co. Remember both he and his cronies will not suffer. No doubt they will be rewarded for failure.
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12/12/2020 11:14:04 8 4
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I'll get the popcorn. The comments will be entertaining to read.
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12/12/2020 11:17:04 2 3
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Sadly not...
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12/12/2020 11:14:16 14 14
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The usual BBC anti-Brexit scaremongering!

We already have 3 patrol boats assigned to protect our fishing vessels - one more is not going to make a huge difference!
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12/12/2020 11:17:05 7 3
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Dont ruin the BBCs story.
Scaremongering is how they get the punters in.
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12/12/2020 11:15:04 15 34
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Johnson is a great guy, trying to do his best. I admire him. You may moan now but next election, you WILL ALL vote for him.
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12/12/2020 11:17:09 0 3
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And I'm the Emperor of China!
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12/12/2020 11:11:26 463 158
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If you leave a club you can't expect to use its facilities. That's how it works for ordinary people. The trouble is it doesn't apply to people of Johnson's privileged background. Old Etonians have their old school tie network. The Bullingdon Club would welcome back an old member, especially if he paid for damages to the restaurants they trash. So he just doesn't get that actions have consequences.
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12/12/2020 11:17:14 41 56
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Does your drivel have any relevance to the story? we are talking about the EU not being allowed to fish in UK water and rightly so.
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12/12/2020 11:15:04 15 34
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Johnson is a great guy, trying to do his best. I admire him. You may moan now but next election, you WILL ALL vote for him.
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12/12/2020 11:17:17 1 3
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Yeah right. Vote for him and his cronies to be tried for crimes against th state and its people.
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12/12/2020 11:15:33 11 15
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More rubbish being reported and squashed in the report too, we have 3 boats with 45 naval men and women patrolling for at least 275 days a year already, so we are adding 1 more boat, big deal made into a big zero of a story, well done the BBC.
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12/12/2020 11:17:19 1 3
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So for almost 100 Days the Enemy can do what they will ?
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Soo
12/12/2020 11:30:07 0 1
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The Enemy???
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12/12/2020 11:13:02 503 204
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Embarrassing. The new global Britain. What a clown Boris is, pandering to uk nationalism.
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12/12/2020 11:17:21 25 52
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Pandering to the majority, its called democracy
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12/12/2020 11:21:35 27 52
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I'm a nationalist. I voted Brexit and would like it done.
Or is that not allowed in your bigoted world?
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Moz
12/12/2020 11:29:22 17 6
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A majority of idiots. It’s still a stupid idea no matter how many people voted for it.
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Pip
12/12/2020 11:34:43 10 5
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I think stupidity sums it up better...........?
12/12/2020 11:57:40 4 3
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Is it? Then Ms Stalin and Mr Hitler are true democrats, they definitetly got the majority vote. Voting is one small part of democracy but to understand this trivia you and other Boris's friends have to go back to school. Boris and Co know that very well but they are fully certified and confirmed liars.
12/12/2020 12:59:20 2 1
bbc
The majority of people were not for this. In fact even the Leave campaign insisted this wouldn't happen - because they knew people would be against it.
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12/12/2020 11:17:21 6 7
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There will be no deal, it will be a mess, BoJo will u-turn before the end of Jan, “take the fish” “where do I sign to follow your rules so we can trade with you”
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12/12/2020 11:17:26 20 8
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I voted remain but also know the EU doesn’t want a deal that’s 50:50, as far fairness goes.
They have to show why it’s worth staying in the EU. That’s just a fact.
Fisherman are just being used by the politicians of both sides. Quite insulting really.
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12/12/2020 11:20:33 4 4
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No EU gun-ships in the Channel, are there?
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12/12/2020 11:22:12 3 1
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Spot on. We must be seen as worse off out of the EU. Otherwise, the EU will implode.
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Soo
12/12/2020 11:25:24 2 2
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No trade agreement in this world is 50:50. There's always a stronger partner dictating terms and a weaker partner accepting them. I shall leave it up to your opinion who is who, in this particular squabble.
12/12/2020 11:55:31 2 1
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I voted remain as all the last 4 years were very sadly predictable - now people are moaning.

When we Remainers predicted all this it was called Project Fear - what do the brexiteer numbskulls call it now?

I voted remain as it is far better to be in the tent especially with the rise of China and aggressive behaviour of Russia - but then common sense is a very rare attribute as my Mum would say
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12/12/2020 11:17:29 8 6
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President elect Biden has already said no trade deal if the Good Friday agreement is undermined . So how will he react to NATO navies involved in squabbling over fishing rights?

It's time for everyone to calm down and sort this out . The disastrous referendum has split politics apart and now we must all come together to sort this mess out.
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12/12/2020 11:14:16 14 14
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The usual BBC anti-Brexit scaremongering!

We already have 3 patrol boats assigned to protect our fishing vessels - one more is not going to make a huge difference!
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12/12/2020 11:17:33 1 1
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If it is scaremongering for the BBC to report it in a neutral way, then you must surely agree that it is brainless jingoism for the Daily Mail and the Express to splash it across their front pages in huge font as if it were a great thing.
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12/12/2020 11:17:35 10 8
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So the EU thinks so little of the UK that they insist on the French tea boy continuing the negotiations.
Not that they can really be called negotiations, he is just reading his script.
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12/12/2020 11:27:02 2 0
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He receives his negotiating position from the 27 sovereign heads of state
12/12/2020 15:30:19 0 0
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Well...
The 'Tea Boy' seems to be doing a good job of running circles around all our negotiators so far.
Remind me - how many have, so far, represented us?
Even sending a 'Lord' was to no avail.
Incidentally - the 'Tea Boy's' script has not changed and is agreed by all 27 EU Sovereign nations
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12/12/2020 11:17:37 66 10
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This has all the characteristics of a playground squabble.

Threat, counter-threat, I'll take my toys away, I want my ball back.

Politicians should learn how to behave like adults.
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12/12/2020 11:21:05 49 20
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Some do but sadly many others don't.

I think Macron & Merkle have the right idea. Having demolished the United Kingdom, Boris will have achieved the aims of Putin's Evil Empire and will last very little longer than the equally risible POTUS 45.
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12/12/2020 11:19:50 0 1
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It's just Boris.
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12/12/2020 11:32:48 1 0
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They can't do that until the electorate do
12/12/2020 12:32:29 0 2
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That's exactly what it is! Threat and counter threat, the latest being in retaliation for the EU suggestion that UK aircraft would be banned from their airspace
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12/12/2020 11:17:44 11 8
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Well they'll be able to discourage migrant crossings while there at it !!!
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12/12/2020 11:19:14 0 1
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Hahaha! Yeah, like, shooting them? Oh boy......lol
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12/12/2020 11:19:30 0 1
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Refugees.
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12/12/2020 11:30:31 0 0
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Refugees you mean, shameful
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12/12/2020 11:32:26 1 0
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So to be clear, we are going to patrol the straits of Dover effectively (like we don't do now), and police our seas as far as sweet Rockall for the French, Dutch, Belgian, Irish and Danish fishing fleets, plus any other unlicensed visitors, with FOUR boats?
For 0.01% of GDP?
Gosh
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12/12/2020 11:17:46 55 13
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From where I sit this morning, there is a wide and deep gulch between us and the sunlit uplands.

Moreover, after we have slowly climbed up out of the gulch, the sunlit uplands may have been an illusion.
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12/12/2020 11:11:26 463 158
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If you leave a club you can't expect to use its facilities. That's how it works for ordinary people. The trouble is it doesn't apply to people of Johnson's privileged background. Old Etonians have their old school tie network. The Bullingdon Club would welcome back an old member, especially if he paid for damages to the restaurants they trash. So he just doesn't get that actions have consequences.
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12/12/2020 11:12:34 11 29
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Go Go Royal Navy
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12/12/2020 11:17:46 4 3
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They’ll probably end up shooting at each other, just like everyone else in Britain these days!
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12/12/2020 11:15:50 6 6
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Starmer hasn't said he will offer 'Rejoin' or undo everything Boris does,

if we didn't protect our fish stocks / waters, there would be nothing to negotiate anyway.
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12/12/2020 11:21:15 1 3
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I think it was “Resign” rather than “Rejoin”.
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12/12/2020 11:27:58 0 0
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I suspect we will rejoin at some point, but only once you are out of the way. Have you spoken to your kids about their prospects recently?
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If you leave a club you can't expect to use its facilities. That's how it works for ordinary people. The trouble is it doesn't apply to people of Johnson's privileged background. Old Etonians have their old school tie network. The Bullingdon Club would welcome back an old member, especially if he paid for damages to the restaurants they trash. So he just doesn't get that actions have consequences.
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12/12/2020 11:17:03 28 41
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So the French won't get to eat their day old chicks.

Thank goodness we can leave the club behind
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12/12/2020 11:35:19 5 2
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We kill our day-old chicks by feeding them into mincers.

Hows that moral high ground feeling? Bit soggy?
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12/12/2020 11:15:04 15 34
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Johnson is a great guy, trying to do his best. I admire him. You may moan now but next election, you WILL ALL vote for him.
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12/12/2020 11:17:52 0 2
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Nah
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12/12/2020 11:13:11 11 22
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If they want to invade our waters, they should know there will be consequences. Its important we provide this clarity now, rather than once the milk has already been spilt. It is up to the french to decide what they wish to do and cannot complain our stance was ambiguous.
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12/12/2020 11:17:52 3 4
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Great. Let's start a war over a few fish.
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12/12/2020 11:11:09 335 113
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Still cutting off our nose to spite our face, I see.
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12/12/2020 11:17:54 237 275
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We have an absolute right to protect our home waters in the same way we have a right to protect our homeland.From 1st Jan foreign trawlers will be invading our territory....
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12/12/2020 11:21:36 46 14
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No, because the UK sold those fishing rights years ago
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12/12/2020 11:23:05 18 9
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Thanks for confirming what many of us know what Brexit is really about
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12/12/2020 11:23:49 36 9
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French fishermen already fish in 'our' watersjust as we fish in 'theirs', so you are talking complete and utter cobblers.
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12/12/2020 11:24:59 35 11
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So if EU fishermen call our bluff, what then? Do we damage, maybe sink their boats? Put lives at risk? How is another embarrassing climb down going to help?

We really are pushing the boat out to upset our neighbours.
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12/12/2020 11:28:21 31 5
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What prattle. Too much right wing media not enough research of the actual facts.
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12/12/2020 11:29:35 38 9
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Protect them from what ? We've sold most of our fish quotas to foreigners.
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12/12/2020 11:34:36 11 6
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Good luck selling these fish then - and would you expect the French or Irish fleet to do the same?
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12/12/2020 11:45:51 3 4
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Utter Nonsense
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12/12/2020 11:50:35 13 5
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“Our territory”, “our homeland”. You should listen to yourself. This isn’t 1820 it’s 2020. “Invading our territory”; you sound like you’ve been playing in the woods as child and someone has trashed your den.
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12/12/2020 11:53:49 6 2
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I would agree with you on this... However, what a way to go and it allows the larger states like Russia and China to be more aggressive because they see a divided Europe.... Not good...
12/12/2020 11:55:05 11 4
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Yes, Johnny Foreigner. Let's see him off, Captain Mainwaring. The jingoism makes me sick. The second world war ended in 1945.
12/12/2020 12:00:47 4 2
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Ah, but originally all countries only had a 3 mile coastal fishing limit. This is what the British wanted to allow them to roam the seas freely. This changed when Iceland went for 50 miles and we had the cod wars. See https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1964/jun/15/fishery-limits-bill . Agreement is better than protection.
12/12/2020 12:05:03 0 2
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Pub Landlords alive and kicking then...but he's just a parody!
12/12/2020 12:10:54 2 1
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Like your government you just don't understand international law - lock them up.
12/12/2020 12:23:08 0 1
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Madness
12/12/2020 12:33:15 2 1
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When we joined the EEC, our "Home Waters" were 3 miles from the coast, after that it was a "free for all". We are now claiming 200 miles which includes waters French boats have fished for centuries. It's Imperialism.
12/12/2020 12:39:56 0 1
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Shouldn't have broken the peace then should we.
12/12/2020 12:58:31 0 1
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Would those be the foreign trawlers that hold UK fishing quotas?
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12/12/2020 13:01:19 0 1
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Agreed. Macron has made sure of it.
12/12/2020 13:04:27 1 1
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No, in your dreams. Quotas were sold to businesses, some of which are foreign owned like other businesses. These are not national or political bodies but private companies. So how will your theory work?
12/12/2020 13:08:55 0 1
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What ? Little englander !
12/12/2020 13:14:58 0 1
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So you have no problem with the EU defending their waters then.
And what we gonna do Give them Tax exempt status and let them fish any way? Write a nice letter over it? Go to war over fish?
lol options are stupid Borris is an inbred moron
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12/12/2020 13:36:13 1 1
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Quite correct, so it is a 12 mile limit then( I think that's the internationally agreed distance- maybe even less).
Have you considered air space since you are so concerned about 'territories'? So its no flying over Ireland, Belgium, France.
12/12/2020 13:48:26 1 0
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And they have the right to stop Euro denominated trading in London too which is worth a billion times more to the economy. I'd only Brexiteers could do basic math
12/12/2020 13:52:18 0 0
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Foreign invaders stealing our Welks and Seasnails. So vital to our way of life. Send in the S.A.S. and cut off their tackle !
12/12/2020 14:10:00 0 0
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You are now being silly, really. Our waters are up to 7 miles from shore. You sure want to say our fishing grounds.
And did you ever see fishing boat shooting rockets on our homeland.
BTW what our military is doing abroad then? Protecting Homeland?
12/12/2020 15:40:11 0 0
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Having a right to do something doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to do it!

I have the right to take my shoe off and kick the wall as hard as I can. Not sure it's a good idea though.....
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12/12/2020 11:18:02 11 11
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Stop all the illegals and impound any belligerent French criminal fishermen who break UK law.
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12/12/2020 11:15:55 59 13
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These ships would be better patrolling the Channel for illegal crossings.
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12/12/2020 11:18:03 29 6
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They do, and if any look in trouble we pick them up and transport them safely to the UK processing site
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12/12/2020 11:16:05 385 410
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If by "club" you mean the single market - lots of countries use it - but are not expected to obey every whim invented by the EU for evermore.We are being attacked for having the nerve to leave the EU cartel...
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Such pathetic victimhood. You sound like a BLM campaigner. Snowflake indeed. Removed
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12/12/2020 11:33:31 3 2
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Gold.... eh? So you think black lives don't matter? Just think about what you're saying.
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12/12/2020 11:15:04 15 34
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Johnson is a great guy, trying to do his best. I admire him. You may moan now but next election, you WILL ALL vote for him.
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12/12/2020 11:18:08 1 3
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You know the story of the emperor's new clothes. Well you are the guys saying how great he looks in the new clothes. The EU are the ones wetting themselves laughing at the complete idiot :-)
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12/12/2020 11:18:18 23 6
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Tobias Ellwood, Conservative chairman of the Commons Defence Committee, called the threat of using Royal Navy gun boats to patrol UK waters in a no-deal outcome "irresponsible".

"This isn't Elizabethan times anymore, this is global Britain - we need to be raising the bar much higher than this,"
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12/12/2020 11:21:26 10 2
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I wish Ellwood would let his conscious out more often. Served his country in the army as opposed to the failed bankers, journalists and career politicians the cabinet is made up of.
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12/12/2020 11:24:39 2 0
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Wish he was in power now and not the Rottweiler right
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12/12/2020 11:18:25 7 2
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Pathetic politicians on both sides. Why not declare war ? Then the stupid people can go and fight while the politicians run no risk at all. Don't forget, that if a politician dies there could be a state funeral, bit if Mr or Mrs Nobody dies, very few will give a dam.
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12/12/2020 11:26:10 1 2
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The "stupid people" are the old and gullible that voted leave, so being old they wouldn't be required to fight.
It would be their smart, Remain-voting, kids that would be sent. And I'm not even sure they would go
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12/12/2020 11:18:35 12 6
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Contrived and misleading headline. BBC should be above this 'clickbait'
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12/12/2020 11:16:09 69 25
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Brexit: UK-EU talks continue as Navy boats put on standby
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The EU is a force for good and prevented wars between member states for over 40 years.
The UK left the EU one year ago and now threatens a 'gun board diplomacy'.
Russia & China will profit from this fallout of NATO members.
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12/12/2020 11:18:38 34 54
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Get your facts right. The EU has not prevented ANY wars at all between member states.

You'll have to wait for the EU Army to make such claims.
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12/12/2020 11:24:21 5 6
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Didn’t do a great job in Yugoslavia. NATO and the US had to intervene.
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12/12/2020 11:24:46 5 0
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Also I think you will find our navy already patrol using gunboats to prevent countries without access to our waters from using them illegally. This is just adding EU members boats to that list as per standard practice.
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12/12/2020 11:40:06 3 4
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Ignorance personified.
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12/12/2020 11:45:33 1 2
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Twaddle........?
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12/12/2020 11:48:25 6 1
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There has never been a war between EU member states. Yugoslavia was not in the EU. Greece and Turkey are members of NATO and they still went to war over Cyprus.. (So which non existent war are you referring to?)
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12/12/2020 11:18:39 5 3
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smoker’s logic

The only way to deal with the risks /facts is stay in denial and cite the odd 90-year old who manages to make it through life, conveniently ignoring the thousands of others who have fallen chronically ill and died as a result along the way
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12/12/2020 11:15:32 305 213
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Its not war, but law enforcement...
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12/12/2020 11:18:42 14 12
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No shame
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12/12/2020 11:13:02 398 123
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we didn't vote to be at war with french fishermen
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12/12/2020 11:18:44 10 17
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Speak for yourself
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12/12/2020 11:16:40 13 8
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So, our Royal Navy can spare 4 vessels to patrol our waters (well done past and present govt cuts). Those 4 boats will absolutely have no trouble patrolling and covering all of UK's territorial waters in the English Channel and North Sea will they? How many thousand square miles will these 4 boats have to cover? Utterly ludicrous posturing from Bojo. Tarzan's chest beating had more deterrent!
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12/12/2020 11:18:49 4 1
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If only there was some kind of magical device that could track boats and tell them where they are or where they are heading.
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12/12/2020 11:27:51 1 0
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Ok, so you send your 4 boats to intercept 4 different Foreign fishing boats in UK territorial waters that you've spotted via Satellite: What are you going to do about the other couple hundred scattered all over the North Sea/English Channel in our waters at the same time? Satellites/Radar etc. are great for SEEING them, intercepting boats hundreds of miles apart...not so much!
12/12/2020 12:34:29 0 0
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There is! Google "Marine traffic"
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12/12/2020 11:13:11 11 22
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If they want to invade our waters, they should know there will be consequences. Its important we provide this clarity now, rather than once the milk has already been spilt. It is up to the french to decide what they wish to do and cannot complain our stance was ambiguous.
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12/12/2020 11:18:52 1 1
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