'Not enough' climate ambition shown by leaders
12/12/2020 | news | science | 1,904
UK minister Alok Sharma says world leaders are failing to show the necessary level of ambition.
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12/12/2020 16:13:48 15 15
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Cue the reactionaries!

Cue the population control comments!

What about China!
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12/12/2020 16:20:27 19 4
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Global population control is essential, not just for MMCC but for resource use full stop.
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12/12/2020 16:23:50 3 2
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Nice logical fallacy there. Just because they're predictable doesn't mean they're without merit.
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12/12/2020 16:53:52 3 1
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Anyone who thinks population isn't an issue deserve to be neutered
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DC
12/12/2020 16:14:24 72 20
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Whatever we do it will take more than what is happening right now. If the USA and China don't lead the way it will all be for nothing.
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12/12/2020 16:18:44 30 79
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Yes let's have another longer lockdown as they reduce emissions. Next project fear from the experts.
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12/12/2020 16:25:50 7 4
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China has a lot of coal fired power stations but is also the World's leading manufacturer of solar panels which hleps other countries reduce their emissions.
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12/12/2020 16:16:42 30 6
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Even the Vatican to go net zero....no more white smoke during Papal election.
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12/12/2020 16:34:17 13 6
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White smoke good. Uses steam from hydrogen
Black smoke bad. Uses carbon from coal.
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12/12/2020 16:52:53 1 0
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It's what they're smoking
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12/12/2020 17:51:30 0 0
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"Habemus Papa sine fumo"
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12/12/2020 16:16:44 10 9
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Now covid is basically done an dusted and no longer a descent excuse for a lock down... maybe Boris can use this instead? We've already got the slogan! 'Stay at home, protect the planet, save lives'
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12/12/2020 17:10:28 2 1
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Yip, and welcome to the sunny uplands of milk and honey , except you are getting bread and dripping it's raining and that Unicorn is a Donkey.
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DC
12/12/2020 16:14:24 72 20
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Whatever we do it will take more than what is happening right now. If the USA and China don't lead the way it will all be for nothing.
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12/12/2020 16:18:44 30 79
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Yes let's have another longer lockdown as they reduce emissions. Next project fear from the experts.
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12/12/2020 16:28:26 22 7
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Sure mate.

Why should we listen to a consensus of Climate experts & scientists when some guy on HYS clearly knows it is just Project Fear Mk2.

When are you publishing your research? It will be a game changer-Can't wait.
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tym
12/12/2020 16:53:01 1 8
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Quite!
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12/12/2020 18:32:37 7 2
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If covid has shown us anything, it's that being proactive is better than being reactive.

Deal with the problem now and nip it in the bud. Putting it off will only make it worse when we do have to deal with it.

What we can do is we can start voting for politicians who give a damn.

Instead we got people like Trump who claim that the "science is wrong" and "it will get colder soon"!
12/12/2020 22:24:48 2 0
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Being ignorant does not make you immune to the consequences.
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13/12/2020 11:41:53 0 0
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Yes Laurie, the world must seem like one Project Fear when you don't understand any of it, and yet think you know better than the experts who do.
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12/12/2020 16:18:47 10 9
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The backing of Boris for climate change action will last only as long as it is a vote winner.

His actions over Brexit continue to be crass, lacking in integrity and opportunistic in pursuit of his political ambitions.

The commitment to climate will evaporate as soon as it becomes burdensome.
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tym
12/12/2020 16:58:46 1 0
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I would not vote for it
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12/12/2020 16:19:06 6 7
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Because the pandemic recovery cash (whatever that is) is for recovery in the short term! It's just soundbites from the UN who should really have better things to think about at the moment.

Let's get over covid, stop people dying, then we can concentrate on climate change.
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12/12/2020 16:19:14 8 14
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Couldn't care less. I'll be long dead before it happens. Not leaving anyone behind either .... just getting so sick of all these screechy do gooders jumping on bandwagon.
Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnnn
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12/12/2020 16:19:22 6 8
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British leadership? How can this be? Since the Brexit vote we're told daily by remainers that we're now a laughing stock, a third-world country, no longer a big player?
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12/12/2020 17:05:45 0 0
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We are all of those things. And...

If the past 2 decades have told me anything, it’s that Britain is not going to be the climate emergency catalyst for change
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12/12/2020 17:11:37 0 0
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If Brexit is an example , then we couldn't possibly be either a leader or big player.
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jki
12/12/2020 16:19:24 9 12
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No , the world needs to build back after this covid nonsense and forget about other marxist wet dreams like climate change as it does so.
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12/12/2020 16:19:39 10 9
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The UN sec gen climate emergency blah blah ...
Really ? these folk are tripping on something coming out with these statements .
They do not EVER consider the implications of their utterings.
Stopping oil n gas production would put west Africa into even more poverty than present , it would also bankrupt the mid east and then you would have some issues to take your mind of the diesel fumes
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12/12/2020 16:19:41 10 9
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To some extent knee jerk reaction as everything will be framed in CO2 emissions.

Consider this we ban coal mining, no CO2 emissions (good) but no steel for all the wind farms or train lines because steel is made with iron & carbon from coal.

So how will the balance be made by a bunch of politicians wanting to appear green?
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12/12/2020 16:27:48 8 5
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CO2 is being made out to be this deadly poison, which it isn’t and if you study history you will see we are actually living in a low carbon atmosphere currently, without CO2 the planet dies by the way. If a farmer wants to improve the yield of his greenhouse crops, he pumps in CO2 for 40% extra yield, oooh deadly
Another agenda designed to steal our money and freedoms
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12/12/2020 16:20:03 10 15
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there is an issue , but not an emergency ..please stop going on
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12/12/2020 16:13:48 15 15
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Cue the reactionaries!

Cue the population control comments!

What about China!
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12/12/2020 16:20:27 19 4
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Global population control is essential, not just for MMCC but for resource use full stop.
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12/12/2020 16:20:57 12 9
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It’s not solely man made, nature and planet go through many cycles of changes it’s just that man kind is not helping it’s hindering, the sad thing is countries invariably just talk and don’t collectivity make it the priority they should...but the clock is ticking!!!
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12/12/2020 16:52:32 8 5
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We will just get started and thd crazy extremists will start on about a new ice age - we are due one.
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12/12/2020 16:21:03 13 10
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If a truly massive shift in transport, agriculture, building and environmental destruction doesn't take place over the next few years, including the total banning fossil fuel burning, there's little point in bothering at all.

It will require complete lifestyle changes for the vast majority of 1st world and the kind of enforcement worldwide that even the Chinese would class as authoritarian.
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12/12/2020 16:26:50 7 13
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Which is precisely why it shouldn't happen. Life is for living. If the planet is truly the priority, then humans would need to disappear. What would be the point in that? What would be the point of a planet this wonderful if there was no creature around smart enough to enjoy it.
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12/12/2020 16:22:46 14 11
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Here we go... Get ready to be taxed based on your carbon consumption, regardless of your earnings. The Great Reset, it starts here folks.
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12/12/2020 17:15:16 4 3
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Here we go, every grunt with no education and no brain throwing up spurious deflections. Haven't you got some shelves to fill?
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12/12/2020 16:22:51 7 8
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Probably not a priority just at this point in time mate. Couple of other issues taking priority.
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12/12/2020 16:36:55 1 2
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Or it might be another issue that we are slow to respond to until it's too late....
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12/12/2020 16:23:35 338 50
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Encouraging people to have more kids than they can look after has to stop.

You can beat around the edges, reducing 'emissions', - it will slow down global warming perhaps, but it ain't going to solve the big problem.

Too many people wanting too much, and the belief in the west that they are poor if they can't afford a new settee and fresh strawberries in January etc.
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12/12/2020 16:37:42 142 44
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The Earth is like a giant living organism.
Like many organisms, when it gets sick, it gets a fever, and its temperature increases until it has killed off what is making it sick.
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12/12/2020 16:42:19 28 2
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Agreed. The root of the problem is too many people consuming too many things. Population management needs to be tackled.
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12/12/2020 16:59:46 32 3
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Yep, it is silly to call this a "climate emergency" when it is in reality a "too many humans on the planet emergency".
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12/12/2020 17:04:08 15 14
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Ironic thing is that most people who complain about overpopulation also support mass immigration.
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12/12/2020 17:06:16 22 4
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Tell that idiot the Pope. According to him ( GOD) Do not use contraceptives. Dickhead
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12/12/2020 17:11:15 18 2
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This isn't about saving the planet. It's about saving the human race. A species that has messed up the earth by overbreeding and using up its resources.. The planet will survive long after us lot have died out, probably from another pandemic. Although I'd prefer an asteroid strike, quick and clean!
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12/12/2020 17:15:24 3 10
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If you think there are too many people, which ones are surplus? Have you decided yet? It wouldn't be you, would it?
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12/12/2020 17:30:06 2 7
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So what do you propose oh wise one? Start killing humans off?? Are you going first?? You people really do worry me as you do not seem to be pro life, something that in the history of life itself is very concerning. It's people like you that should be kept an eye on!!
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12/12/2020 17:38:01 3 2
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The problem is not the population figure but the attitude of the population. People are out for themselves only.
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12/12/2020 17:49:00 4 1
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The UK has been working on the problem. Until we cut it by 40% overseas and has been doing three things.

1)Encourage economic growth. Affluence is an excellent contraceptive.

2) Improve health care and education, especially for women. Once women understand that most of their children will survive, they choose to have fewer of them.

3) Easy access to contraception and abortion.
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12/12/2020 17:56:49 1 0
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You are right, but which demographic groups have the most children and cause the largest increase in population density by so doing? Balance that against which demographic group is most likely to abide by birth control edicts and which would want to find ways to circumvent them.
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12/12/2020 18:44:20 1 0
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It's not just wanting too much.. Its space taken up with roads, homes etc. Destroying forests, woods, habitat, wildlife.
Then over exploitation of resources.. Mining, forests, farmlands (Inc soil erosion / destruction), fishing.
I wonder what China said about fishing and resources?
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12/12/2020 19:13:44 4 1
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Politicians in the West are always going on about 'growth of the economy'. That has to stop if reducing Climate Change is to be in with a chance of success. People need to understand the difference between 'needs' and 'wants'. Taxes of the former need to be reduced; that of the latter increased - substantially. 'Consumerism' must be controlled.
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12/12/2020 19:20:08 1 2
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whats the population of the uk out of the world again? just admit you dont like foreigners
12/12/2020 20:07:43 1 1
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You wouldn’t have this attitude if you was poor and please don’t tell me the story about when you was a kid you lived in a council house it’s so boring. Poverty is what we should be fighting.
12/12/2020 20:23:41 2 1
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Whole generations are being born thinking they're entitled to a free ride. Thanks to a ridiculous, country bankrupting welfare system and national health service. Women in poorer communities have long gotten wise to the fact they can receive more benefits the more children they have. I say 'women' and not 'families' because the fathers are usually nowhere in sight.
12/12/2020 21:19:58 1 0
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Stop giving them everything! The more the better.
12/12/2020 23:03:08 1 0
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And of course each one of those kids needs a new smartphone, tablet, laptop and games console every year...
12/12/2020 23:27:54 2 0
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Need to stop poor people having children they cannot afford. That would help climate change. Leave drivers alone!!
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12/12/2020 16:23:46 1 3
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Save me!! ?? ?????? All nations in competition... I don’t stand a chance....??????
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12/12/2020 16:13:48 15 15
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Cue the reactionaries!

Cue the population control comments!

What about China!
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12/12/2020 16:23:50 3 2
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Nice logical fallacy there. Just because they're predictable doesn't mean they're without merit.
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12/12/2020 16:36:33 3 1
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Its displacement and whataboutery. Unless we stop buying stuff from China we have zero right to criticise their emissions.
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12/12/2020 16:16:17 1 3
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Unfortunately we are doomed. The production of "stuff" and people is still increasing. 20 years too late.

We can still try though.
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mmk
12/12/2020 17:24:04 0 0
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Like a person with a terminal cancer. Do you get 3 years, 5 years, maybe 10?
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12/12/2020 16:16:37 16 10
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Oh another emergency ? Wow. Have these people never heard what happened to the boy who cried wolf ? Why is everything an emergency ? Terrorists. Disease. War. Climate. Just stop already.
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12/12/2020 17:02:32 6 0
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Lets see them try to stop Putin producing oil n gas , "fuckoffski comrade or else " would undoubtedly be the reply .
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:29:17 146 110
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I agree but UK population is a tiny part of the issue
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12/12/2020 16:29:29 42 13
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The super-rich are demanding more people (secretly) to consume and work more so as to make themselves richer. Unless that changes population won't turn around.
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12/12/2020 16:32:13 9 71
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No the sun is, volcanic action is,
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12/12/2020 16:31:28 10 11
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Guildford. Therein lies the problem, not the solution
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12/12/2020 16:36:17 25 16
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Right..so is a cull required? Step forward mr Covid
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12/12/2020 16:43:27 22 1
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South Oxfordshire LP forced through by Jenrick, 70% of 28,000 new home on "protected Green Belt". Housing stock in Oxfordshire to increase 40% yet pre-Covid, the county was at near full employment.
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12/12/2020 16:49:32 14 4
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You would be surprised how much of our Greenbelt isn't green at all. The bigger issue is preserving our open countryside outside that.

As for housing, in practical termsas we can't legislate some form of Hunger Games to reduce the population, then future populations logically need to be housed in higher density and thus more energy & land efficient housing.

That will be even more difficult
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12/12/2020 16:54:32 8 18
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I agree Neo Eugenecism under the guise of over-population and its proponents needs to be named and shamed as was done with Nazi Eugenecists.
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12/12/2020 16:55:40 16 6
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Too true. Medical science has increased life expectancy by curing ailments we would have died from years ago but now it has gone too far the other way and we are living too long and causing a greater carbon footprint. Fine when we had space and resources to cope but the planet cannot go on absorbing all the extra population. Covid is the best opportunity to put the world population back in gear
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12/12/2020 17:04:50 14 5
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50% of emissions are contributed by 1% of the world's population, nice deflection but not correct.
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12/12/2020 17:14:20 16 9
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Simply wrong ! CONSUMPTION is the key driver of climate change, not population size.

It’s the wealthy 20% (approx. 1.5billion people), who are responsible for 80% of co2 emissions. Fly, 2 cars, endless consumption, houses, meat based diets, etc.

You could reduce the worlds population by half, but if that’s the poorest 50%, it would have virtually no impact on co2 emissions.
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12/12/2020 17:16:02 8 3
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Instead of pontificating, the PM could set an example by producing less children.
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12/12/2020 17:18:54 3 2
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1990 - 2015... "....The richest 10% of the global population, comprising about 630 million people, were responsible for about 52% of global emissions over the 25-year period, the study showed..... "
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12/12/2020 17:30:50 2 7
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However Generalissimo Apathy Cur, IT is usually people like you that are crying wolf however will you give up your hard earnt BMW, and cycle into Guildford town centre once a week for all the shopping!
Nope thought not, back to square one
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12/12/2020 17:40:57 3 4
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Increased population has nothing to do with it, people don’t automatically emit carbon.

The problem is the way we all live (specifically in the western world). We have to change our mentality and habits and the number of people won’t matter. Sadly people care about themselves and want to do things as cheaply as possible.
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12/12/2020 17:59:11 2 2
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So what you are saying is that "I am here but I don't want anyone else to be here!"
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12/12/2020 18:16:02 3 2
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Over population is not a problem, over consumption is the problem.

People could live with less...
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12/12/2020 18:22:55 3 1
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Overall on this planet, human beings are destroying it. It is not just climate, but everything they do and consume. Even 'going green' that just consumes other stuff that destroys the balance of the earth.
I've said this for decades, once Humans can admit they have to control their numbers something truly out of this world will happen apart from the planet having a future.
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12/12/2020 18:23:10 1 2
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Yes the royals breed like rabbits or are you referring to the poor of this world
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12/12/2020 18:30:33 2 1
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It seems to me that the issue is more about our way of living than how many we are.
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12/12/2020 18:37:48 1 3
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"Over-population is the main driver of climate change" So when are you going to help the problem and try euthanasia?
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12/12/2020 18:41:30 1 1
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Got it in one. Without radical depopulation, humanity is threatened. Each day of delay adds a net 225,000 new carbon and environmental degradation footprints. You have been warned.
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LG
12/12/2020 18:48:52 0 2
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Are you volunteering for the euthanasia clinic then?
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12/12/2020 18:52:12 2 0
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I agree, but what to do. Can you imagine the fuss if you even suggested people might possible consider having fewer children.
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12/12/2020 16:25:24 0 10
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It's too late, idiots.
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12/12/2020 16:27:51 5 2
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no its not, calm down. stop fearmongering
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12/12/2020 16:25:46 0 8
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Too little too late
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DC
12/12/2020 16:14:24 72 20
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Whatever we do it will take more than what is happening right now. If the USA and China don't lead the way it will all be for nothing.
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12/12/2020 16:25:50 7 4
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China has a lot of coal fired power stations but is also the World's leading manufacturer of solar panels which hleps other countries reduce their emissions.
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12/12/2020 16:26:05 2 8
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no effect on c02 after first lockdown
Need panes flying again, could do with a holiday
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12/12/2020 18:25:55 1 0
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100% agree with you - here’s that actual data / not Fantasy Ecoloon BBC lies
https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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12/12/2020 16:26:07 255 37
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Until the population problem is acknowledged, I cannot take this seriously. Without humans, there would be no problem. We need to take the pressure off the planet.
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12/12/2020 16:39:30 103 20
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Its alright, the Planet will get rid of humans as the climate warms. Sadly a lot of other mammals Insects etc will die at the same time.

However in half a million years or so the Planet Earth will be doing fine, may not be life as we know it about though.
Kill yourself then ?? Removed
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12/12/2020 17:44:05 2 5
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Go on, you kill your family first, as a gesture
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12/12/2020 18:06:31 4 1
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I agree that we have a population issue, especially when western birthrates were falling and we then encouraged those who have high birthrates to come over. However, consider that the 1% richest have the same carbon footprint as the 50% poorest.
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12/12/2020 18:28:44 6 1
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Most developed countries have a stable population.

However they are the countries who produce the more CO2.

Stop trying to blame it on Africa who cause a tiny amount of pollution in comparison to us. We need to look at ourselves!
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12/12/2020 18:53:08 2 0
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Simple, then.
Get rid of humans.
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12/12/2020 19:18:28 2 0
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Says tony with 4 kids and 6 grandkids
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12/12/2020 19:21:32 1 1
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just admit you don't like foreigners rather than muddying the environmental discourse you slime
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12/12/2020 19:42:51 2 1
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Well who caused the multiple weather related mass Extinctions all of which took place Millions of years before humans existed.
12/12/2020 22:18:56 1 0
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Have you been reading Stalin?
You are telling people to commit suicide. Why not take the lead? Removed
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And your practical solutions are.......?
12/12/2020 23:44:05 0 0
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Easy to say. What's your solution?
13/12/2020 16:28:21 0 0
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so this lets China off the hook a bit then as the only country to actually do something about it with one child policy, and england as about the most crowded country in the world certainly shouldnt be casting stones.
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12/12/2020 16:26:39 3 3
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Climate emergency...
Broken planet....

.... sounds technical
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12/12/2020 16:26:39 135 8
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Until scientists and politician understand, agree and to manage global populations the chances of effective action are close to zero.

The UK target of 68% reduction by 2030 is by reference to levels in 1990. A clear distortion - sounds great but completely misleading.

Since 1990 much of the reduction in UK emissions arises as manufacturing was offshored to China.
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12/12/2020 16:28:14 52 14
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And the EU!
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12/12/2020 17:47:05 1 7
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What is this obsession about following scientists and politicians? Have you learned nothing during the last year. They are useless at best and the patsies for Big Pharma and other global conglomerates at worst.
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12/12/2020 18:16:00 3 0
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Absolutely one country's reduction is another's increase.
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12/12/2020 19:48:06 2 1
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It's a fact that if something happened tonight and overnight every living thing in the UK died and the UK produced zero emissions. China's growth would replace ALL the British emissions in 3 weeks.
12/12/2020 20:20:49 2 2
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You are bang on, we've basically exported our emissions like every Western country and now say "haven't we done well
13/12/2020 01:30:33 1 0
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Without some form of global government, politicians cannot manage the global population. Politicians need the support of their citizens to stay in power. Most societies want anyone but themselves to reduce their populations.
And how would they enforce it. Forced sterilisation? Even China gave up on its one child policy.
Scientists? Some mad scientists with a new coronavirus maybe?
Not pretty.
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12/12/2020 16:21:03 13 10
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If a truly massive shift in transport, agriculture, building and environmental destruction doesn't take place over the next few years, including the total banning fossil fuel burning, there's little point in bothering at all.

It will require complete lifestyle changes for the vast majority of 1st world and the kind of enforcement worldwide that even the Chinese would class as authoritarian.
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Which is precisely why it shouldn't happen. Life is for living. If the planet is truly the priority, then humans would need to disappear. What would be the point in that? What would be the point of a planet this wonderful if there was no creature around smart enough to enjoy it.
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12/12/2020 16:19:41 10 9
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To some extent knee jerk reaction as everything will be framed in CO2 emissions.

Consider this we ban coal mining, no CO2 emissions (good) but no steel for all the wind farms or train lines because steel is made with iron & carbon from coal.

So how will the balance be made by a bunch of politicians wanting to appear green?
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12/12/2020 16:27:48 8 5
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CO2 is being made out to be this deadly poison, which it isn’t and if you study history you will see we are actually living in a low carbon atmosphere currently, without CO2 the planet dies by the way. If a farmer wants to improve the yield of his greenhouse crops, he pumps in CO2 for 40% extra yield, oooh deadly
Another agenda designed to steal our money and freedoms
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12/12/2020 16:33:55 2 2
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Sure mate. Try going into a Greenhouse full of CO2. Let me know how you get on.
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12/12/2020 16:25:24 0 10
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It's too late, idiots.
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12/12/2020 16:27:51 5 2
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no its not, calm down. stop fearmongering
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12/12/2020 16:27:54 1 3
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You will never change this selfish world of greed its in bred from birth. its the me, me, me, me, me, me, me culture. well lets be clear here the planet will be fine and still here once we are all gone. look at the selfish attitude to covid, brexit. Maybe we should all sue the planet for warming up.
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12/12/2020 17:21:27 0 1
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I think the real point of mitigating the effects of climate change is to prolong human society on the planet and to allow for the changes necessary for that survival. I agree that the planet will rotate on its axis and journey round the sun just fine, thank you, for billions of years to come. Dealing with climate change is about saving the human.
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12/12/2020 16:28:14 162 15
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Increasing consumption, population and perpetual economic growth worldwide are all linked and fundamental to an economic system that will collapse if anyone of these stops increasing.

The whole system needs changing to stop what is effectively a damaging ponzi scheme, the system being unsustainable and the major driver of climate change.
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12/12/2020 16:48:34 98 19
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Russia have no interest in stopping climate change; Putin welcomes it. When the Northern tundra of Siberia warms and the permafrost melts, Russia will have the bread basket of the world, with millions of square miles of rich, fertile, land.
12/12/2020 20:48:18 1 0
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The whole system is based on profit & exploitation and as result of it billions of people and animals are suffering. Unless the whole monetary system is abolished there is no way out from this mess.
13/12/2020 01:19:32 0 0
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How?
It's hard to get off the rollercoaster.
Shrinking populations are also ageing populations where there soon are insufficient of working age to support the elderly.
The solution has been to import younger immigrant workers. But that also increases the population and they too get older.
An orderly reduction of population has yet to be achieved.
The next virus might do it, though.
13/12/2020 09:17:08 1 0
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You are right. The way I see it, we in the West can't have our unsustainable cheap tat without some kind of suffering elsewhere. Somewhere in the world, humans, animals, plant life, the environment are being plundered with impunity so we can buy a T-shirt from Primark for £2. People over here don't stop to think how is this possible with harm.
Sad times ahead.
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12/12/2020 16:26:39 135 8
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Until scientists and politician understand, agree and to manage global populations the chances of effective action are close to zero.

The UK target of 68% reduction by 2030 is by reference to levels in 1990. A clear distortion - sounds great but completely misleading.

Since 1990 much of the reduction in UK emissions arises as manufacturing was offshored to China.
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12/12/2020 16:28:14 52 14
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And the EU!
12/12/2020 22:51:44 2 2
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of course, everything is the EU`s fault Boris
12/12/2020 23:47:15 2 2
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What UK manufacturing was offshored to the EU? We have car factories in the UK because we were in the EU. I suppose one benefit of Brexit will be that they'll all relocate to the EU. Pity about all those lost jobs, though
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12/12/2020 16:18:44 30 79
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Yes let's have another longer lockdown as they reduce emissions. Next project fear from the experts.
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12/12/2020 16:28:26 22 7
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Sure mate.

Why should we listen to a consensus of Climate experts & scientists when some guy on HYS clearly knows it is just Project Fear Mk2.

When are you publishing your research? It will be a game changer-Can't wait.
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:29:17 146 110
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I agree but UK population is a tiny part of the issue
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12/12/2020 16:46:35 54 52
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Our population was stable until we joined the EU.
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tym
12/12/2020 16:51:32 30 16
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With 1% of global CO2 emissions the UK is a tiny part of the issue definitely!
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12/12/2020 16:52:05 4 10
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Oh the excuses
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12/12/2020 17:49:13 6 0
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UK population is a huge part of the UK population issue
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Pip
12/12/2020 17:50:54 4 2
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But when you add up all those tiny parts..........?
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12/12/2020 17:52:07 3 3
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Remarkable the correlation in the names of those who are CC deniers & those who generally have far right-wing views.

Occasionally they'll switch their argument to over population, blaming Africa & similar, when the problem is 10% of the world's population:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

Don't fall for right-wing lies! The poor = small footprint!
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12/12/2020 18:16:48 1 1
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The UK is one of the most densely populated nations.
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12/12/2020 18:41:27 1 0
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He didn't say UK population did he.
Developing world population counts too.
It maybe true that Africa is % of USA / EU now.. But in 20 or 30 years with development.. All those descendents will want TV, phones, cars, aircon, fridges too.
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:29:29 42 13
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The super-rich are demanding more people (secretly) to consume and work more so as to make themselves richer. Unless that changes population won't turn around.
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12/12/2020 16:30:07 14 7
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IPCCC says it is an emergency, but someone on a youtube video says its a hoax. Who should I believe?
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12/12/2020 16:32:45 20 15
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ipccc have vested interests in keeping the fear going
Travelling all over the world speaking to each other
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12/12/2020 17:10:30 1 1
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well, if you really don't know, you probably need to go back to school, or ask your kids.
12/12/2020 21:49:01 1 1
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The IPCC consists of a great many people who are not scientists at all, let alone climate scientists. Many, if not all, its predictions have so far proved to be wrong. There are a few scientists in their numbers, but also economists and many other disciplines who have no expertise in climatology whatever. The IPCC are charlatans and following their "advice" is idiotic.
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12/12/2020 16:31:06 4 4
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Bozo and Co need to crack on and do it, not just talk about it how they would like it to be.
Scientists across the world were allowed to put their minds together to produce a vaccine in record short time and for once the scientists were listened to by politicians.
Scientists should now be listened to and be allowed to put their brains together in fixing this much greater threat than coronavirus.
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12/12/2020 16:44:08 0 1
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And Johnson earmarks £25(?) billion for roads and £1bn for some house insulation.

There’s announcements and then there’s actual investments...
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12/12/2020 16:31:22 84 18
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The world's elite are playing with fire. If they keep introducing 'emergency measures' then they will cause a revolt. Emergency measures always hit the poor hardest and after Covid and years of tax rises on consumption coupled with currency debasement, the poor are not in a good place to take any further financial hits. Maybe the Davos crowd could contribute this time?
The world's elite are a sorry bunch. Dead set on destroying first world economies and denying developing countries the chance to industrialize. All based on the pseudoscience of Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Wiping out cheap electrification, transport and agriculture will cause riots and revolutions first though.
The green nutjobs don't realise what they are about to unleash.
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12/12/2020 18:18:04 6 2
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But the LibDems took the poorest out of paying tax altogether. I don't pay rent or council tax so what are you on about?
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12/12/2020 18:28:15 6 6
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The UN is full of climate change extremists and has been since Severn Suzuki was their poster child in 1990. Thankfully no one pays them any notice except news organisations as a result.
12/12/2020 19:48:31 4 4
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Reminder its the elite and there push for globalisation that caused pollution to increase on a industrial scale for a virus to spread like wild fire.

Globalisation is a failure and deadly to are planet and human race.
13/12/2020 12:48:17 2 0
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The Davos crowd that say we will not own anything by 2030 but will rent everything instead. Who owns the products we will be renting I wonder? That's right folks let's keep listening to the multi million/ billionaires about consumption and oppression, you couldn't make it up. Personally see a dystopian 1984 rather than a bright new start??
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:32:13 9 71
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No the sun is, volcanic action is,
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12/12/2020 16:35:45 40 12
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Not in the case of the recent warming they aren't, unless of course you have some evidence that has eluded climate scientists and all the major scientific bodies and organizations in the world, which of course you do not have.
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12/12/2020 16:32:18 59 21
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Years ago it was Nukes, now its Climate/Pandemics/Unstable Leaders/electric cars/crashing banks/crashing economies, not sure I am keeping up with demands being placed on my wallet and brain...
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12/12/2020 16:41:07 11 35
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Then just ignore it and be told what to do.
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12/12/2020 18:57:40 0 0
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Welcome to the thing they call "existence". It's the same for you and approximately six billion, nine hundred and ninety-nine million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine other humans.
12/12/2020 22:42:22 0 0
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Doubt it takes much to strain either....
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12/12/2020 16:32:34 26 24
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The world's wealthiest 1% account for more than twice the combined carbon emissions of the poorest 50%, according to the UN.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55229725

That wealthiest 1% will include a sizeable chunk of people in the UK, so please stop blaming China and admit the truth, it's everyone you know with an I'm alright Jack throwaway lifestyle, inc around 1/2 HYSers??
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12/12/2020 16:41:24 6 8
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Sounds like taxes paid by so few to so many !
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12/12/2020 16:43:22 5 5
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Wealth is relative, in some countries £10,000 is massive wealth, in others it isn't.

These stats are not normalised to reflect the purchasing power and are therefore potentially disingenuous.
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12/12/2020 16:43:52 6 3
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Many of the world's wealthiest 1% are in China which has more billionaires than any other nation. But yes the global elite should step up but they won't like Covid the rules don't apply to them.
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12/12/2020 17:05:21 2 4
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"...That wealthiest 1% will include a sizeable chunk of people in the UK, so please stop blaming China and admit the truth, it's everyone you know with an I'm alright Jack throwaway lifestyle, inc around 1/2 HYSers??"

Fair point, perhaps we should accept that the 'price' of reducing CC is too high, we should perhaps focus instead more on adapting to a change we can't stop?
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12/12/2020 16:30:07 14 7
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IPCCC says it is an emergency, but someone on a youtube video says its a hoax. Who should I believe?
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12/12/2020 16:32:45 20 15
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ipccc have vested interests in keeping the fear going
Travelling all over the world speaking to each other
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12/12/2020 16:45:09 3 5
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So arfurpops, are you saying you believe some random YouTube post over the IPCC?
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12/12/2020 16:32:50 1 1
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We need aVaccine for that.
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12/12/2020 16:32:56 6 10
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Climate change is inevitable, it is part of the history of the planet. Our planet has gone through lots of temperature changes in its history, don't think we will can change it, its part of nature. Is a warmer planet really such a bad thing, it happened millions of years ago, and life thrived... I'm no scientist, I'm just looking at the history...
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12/12/2020 16:35:35 1 1
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That doesn't mean that we should make it worse. We should put effort in dampening the changes and keep the planet liveable for us.
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12/12/2020 16:40:27 0 1
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When it affects our current ways of life it will be considered “a bad thing” - costs will go up - be that food, water, (fossil) fuels... we may be okay in our ‘well-functioning’ society but elsewhere tensions may rise, peoples may be displaced...
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12/12/2020 16:40:59 1 1
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'I'm no scientist'

You hit the nail on the head there alright! You also lack logic because you are attemting to advance the silly fallacy that because climate has changed in the past due natural factors it can't be changing today and in the future due to human causes.
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12/12/2020 16:41:41 0 1
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Natural Climate change yes, ups and downs.

Human driven Climate Change will exacerbate the Peaks, slow the troughs, and potentially kill most of the human population one way or another.
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12/12/2020 18:50:45 0 0
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Climate change is a consequence of human deeds, nature is not responsible for it.
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12/12/2020 16:33:08 5 5
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Climate change is a real problem. But language that XR use such as "emergency" is not helpful. There is a constant need for using more and more extreme language, next it will be "climate catastrophe" etc.

Declaring a "climate emergency" just satisfies the white middle class XR members whilst doing nothing about the real problem, much like taking a knee that hasn't made any real change.
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12/12/2020 16:27:48 8 5
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CO2 is being made out to be this deadly poison, which it isn’t and if you study history you will see we are actually living in a low carbon atmosphere currently, without CO2 the planet dies by the way. If a farmer wants to improve the yield of his greenhouse crops, he pumps in CO2 for 40% extra yield, oooh deadly
Another agenda designed to steal our money and freedoms
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12/12/2020 16:33:55 2 2
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Sure mate. Try going into a Greenhouse full of CO2. Let me know how you get on.
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12/12/2020 16:33:55 3 3
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We cannot afford to save the world.
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12/12/2020 16:37:21 0 3
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And we won’t be able to afford not to.
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12/12/2020 17:09:47 0 0
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It is the engineers of the world who are going to save planet earth

the politicians JUST GET IN THE WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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12/12/2020 16:34:03 1 2
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If we do not keep the climate change under control, all the short term targets that the selfish people see as important will be completely useless for the next generations. Long range planning is important. Learn from the Dutch and their planning wrt the sea. They do have to think a century ahead.
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12/12/2020 16:34:09 12 4
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I suppose if we declare a global emergency the next step would be to pass emergency power to the UN.

Now who was proposing this?
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12/12/2020 16:16:42 30 6
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Even the Vatican to go net zero....no more white smoke during Papal election.
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12/12/2020 16:34:17 13 6
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White smoke good. Uses steam from hydrogen
Black smoke bad. Uses carbon from coal.
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tym
12/12/2020 16:55:06 3 1
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Water vapour is a worse warming gas than CO2
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DJ
12/12/2020 17:09:16 4 0
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Smoke of colour?
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12/12/2020 18:52:33 3 1
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Religion bad.. Causes wars, trouble and overpopulation worldwide.
No condoms pope? Really!?
13/12/2020 12:31:31 0 0
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Black Smoke Matters. Cant just be the White Smoke that is protected. You need to research how the pontiff is elected and why the Black Smoke Matters in the process
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12/12/2020 16:28:26 3 3
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Waste of time, too late. Something along the lines of that film 'Knowing' with Nick Cage is coming within 50 years, all over. I commute to London daily on Train & whilst walking through town there is rubbish everywhere, car\van drivers just empty their rubbish onto street whilst recharging or diesel engines left running for ages, nobody cares about climate! 2 billion chinese dont care.
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12/12/2020 16:36:54 2 1
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On the other hand, it’s the Chinese authorities that make the laws to which their citizens WILL comply...
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12/12/2020 16:29:22 6 6
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Here we go- all the psychopathic human-haters out in force. How long until we get the first climate-inspired serial killers?
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12/12/2020 16:34:54 7 5
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I thought the World HAD declared a climate emergency, (well except for Trumpton US!)

Its just that most countries either cannot be bothered, or cannot afford to do much about it. Planting a few trees to offset CO2 on behalf of the Industrialised works is going to do nothing in the great scheme of things. Post Covid the world has an opportunity to do something and build on the recent CO2 drop.
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12/12/2020 17:06:28 5 1
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But the actual lockdowns achieved exactly zero reduction in Co2 levels
review for yourself rather than swallow constant BBC Propaganda
https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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12/12/2020 17:12:58 1 0
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don't talk to us talk to china, they've built over 200 coal fired power stations in the last decade. Talk to Russia who continue to build coal fired power stations as they have more coal than god!
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:31:28 10 11
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Guildford. Therein lies the problem, not the solution
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12/12/2020 17:47:09 6 1
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Does the sun and volcanic action cut down forests, tarmac over green spaces, demand extra houses, drive cars, poison the land with fertilisers and insecticides and cut down hedgerows? As crucial as curbing emissions is, the environment is more than just gas in the atmosphere and the relatively stable radiant heat from the Sun.
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12/12/2020 16:32:01 8 11
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Does anyone remember the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf? Eco nutters have been ranting on about climate change for decades now but it's still not having any significant effect on the planet.

Anyone talking about a "climate emergency" clearly doesn't understand what an emergency is.
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12/12/2020 16:51:59 1 1
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Anyone who doesn't see the steady increase in weather records around the world as evidence, is either wilfully blind or peddling bs
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12/12/2020 16:57:05 0 0
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You really are a Phallus Crystal.
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12/12/2020 17:10:39 0 0
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Yes, you are right. I was at a dinner with one over 50 years ago now who rode this green pony wanting us all to return to the horse and cart spewing out his hatred for modern world We are still here!!......ITS ALL RUBBISH!!
Ok! So people on here saying control/reduce the population, well there are two main ways.. wars (Big ones) or pestilence..hmm so does covid count as helping? (Engineered...An Asian country doing its climate bit) Removed
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12/12/2020 17:13:17 0 0
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It seems your population control relies on a lot of human suffering. How about family planning, birth control, raising up the status of women and children, and better healthcare so people don't have to keep replacing their dead children. Covid primarily removes people who are well beyond their reproductive heydey.
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12/12/2020 16:32:24 0 2
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These idiots in charge will not be happy until we are all dead and they can rule over eachother and their inbred children.
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12/12/2020 16:46:20 3 1
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What does that even mean ?
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12/12/2020 17:07:49 0 0
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Hysteria is very childish!
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LG
12/12/2020 16:32:56 6 10
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Climate change is inevitable, it is part of the history of the planet. Our planet has gone through lots of temperature changes in its history, don't think we will can change it, its part of nature. Is a warmer planet really such a bad thing, it happened millions of years ago, and life thrived... I'm no scientist, I'm just looking at the history...
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12/12/2020 16:35:35 1 1
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That doesn't mean that we should make it worse. We should put effort in dampening the changes and keep the planet liveable for us.
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12/12/2020 16:32:13 9 71
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No the sun is, volcanic action is,
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12/12/2020 16:35:45 40 12
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Not in the case of the recent warming they aren't, unless of course you have some evidence that has eluded climate scientists and all the major scientific bodies and organizations in the world, which of course you do not have.
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12/12/2020 16:27:54 1 3
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You will never change this selfish world of greed its in bred from birth. its the me, me, me, me, me, me, me culture. well lets be clear here the planet will be fine and still here once we are all gone. look at the selfish attitude to covid, brexit. Maybe we should all sue the planet for warming up.
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12/12/2020 16:26:39 135 8
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Until scientists and politician understand, agree and to manage global populations the chances of effective action are close to zero.

The UK target of 68% reduction by 2030 is by reference to levels in 1990. A clear distortion - sounds great but completely misleading.

Since 1990 much of the reduction in UK emissions arises as manufacturing was offshored to China.
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12/12/2020 16:36:16 3 12
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Today's young will not see adulthood.

We have 12 years at the most to tackle climate change.

Animal Agriculture is destroying the planet Earth for humans.

For the sake of your children and your planet...

Go Vegan NOW!
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12/12/2020 16:38:35 3 3
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Look up almond production in california.
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12/12/2020 16:38:45 2 2
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have you taken your medication yet
Your rant is almost funny
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LG
12/12/2020 16:40:14 2 3
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We will have destroy more rain forest and more of nature to make way for all the farm land needed to grow veg for all the vegans. What we need is balance and better technology.
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12/12/2020 17:07:09 0 0
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What a load of rubbish trotted out by a lettuce leaf. go back to the beginning There were Millions sized herds of grass eating wanderers walking the world trumping as they go depositing muck on the ground. They have NOT caused climate issues. Not then not now!!
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:36:17 25 16
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Right..so is a cull required? Step forward mr Covid
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12/12/2020 16:59:44 15 12
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'... a cull required? Step forward mr Covid'

Christ, where to start.
Covid, with a death rate lower than 2% (even if you accept the current inflated stats), is not going to reduce the population in any noticeable way. The population growth problems exist primarily in the 3rd World - that is where any controlling measures need to be focused.
No 'cull' needed, perhaps just stop 'saving' them.
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12/12/2020 16:23:50 3 2
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Nice logical fallacy there. Just because they're predictable doesn't mean they're without merit.
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12/12/2020 16:36:33 3 1
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Its displacement and whataboutery. Unless we stop buying stuff from China we have zero right to criticise their emissions.
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12/12/2020 16:28:26 3 3
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Waste of time, too late. Something along the lines of that film 'Knowing' with Nick Cage is coming within 50 years, all over. I commute to London daily on Train & whilst walking through town there is rubbish everywhere, car\van drivers just empty their rubbish onto street whilst recharging or diesel engines left running for ages, nobody cares about climate! 2 billion chinese dont care.
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12/12/2020 16:36:54 2 1
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On the other hand, it’s the Chinese authorities that make the laws to which their citizens WILL comply...
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12/12/2020 16:58:33 0 0
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And there's your problem.
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12/12/2020 17:03:17 1 0
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And keep on building coal fired power stations by the dozen
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12/12/2020 16:31:06 4 4
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Bozo and Co need to crack on and do it, not just talk about it how they would like it to be.
Scientists across the world were allowed to put their minds together to produce a vaccine in record short time and for once the scientists were listened to by politicians.
Scientists should now be listened to and be allowed to put their brains together in fixing this much greater threat than coronavirus.
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12/12/2020 16:22:51 7 8
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Probably not a priority just at this point in time mate. Couple of other issues taking priority.
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12/12/2020 16:36:55 1 2
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Or it might be another issue that we are slow to respond to until it's too late....
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12/12/2020 16:33:55 3 3
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We cannot afford to save the world.
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12/12/2020 16:37:21 0 3
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And we won’t be able to afford not to.
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12/12/2020 16:23:35 338 50
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Encouraging people to have more kids than they can look after has to stop.

You can beat around the edges, reducing 'emissions', - it will slow down global warming perhaps, but it ain't going to solve the big problem.

Too many people wanting too much, and the belief in the west that they are poor if they can't afford a new settee and fresh strawberries in January etc.
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12/12/2020 16:37:42 142 44
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The Earth is like a giant living organism.
Like many organisms, when it gets sick, it gets a fever, and its temperature increases until it has killed off what is making it sick.
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12/12/2020 17:32:29 5 3
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This is nonsense. The whole Gaia hypothesis has no credible scientific backing. The planet Venus functions perfectly well. It isn't "sick". It's just that we couldn't survive in its runaway greenhouse temperatures. This is about us: and we had better act fast.
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12/12/2020 17:38:11 5 3
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I'm one of the good bacteria though, I'm not having kids. So I hope I don't get caught up in the planet's defence.
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12/12/2020 17:50:40 1 0
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hopefully
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12/12/2020 18:15:12 2 0
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Utter drivel.
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12/12/2020 19:02:36 0 0
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Like Groovy Sammy
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12/12/2020 19:32:48 0 1
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Nice analogy.
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12/12/2020 19:40:56 1 0
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Gaia theory. It's true.
12/12/2020 21:48:10 0 0
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The problem is humans. Not nature. Humans are responsible for the wanton destruction of the ecosystems and all that rely on it.
12/12/2020 22:20:39 0 0
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What nonsense! The Earth does not 'get a fever'.
12/12/2020 22:44:29 0 0
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Like you I suppose? Or are you willing to give up your demands and do something?
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12/12/2020 16:37:48 13 3
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I declare a climate emergency. OK, done my bit.
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12/12/2020 16:38:07 3 4
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History has shown and not just with humans but if the offending species do not change or adapt then the plant will 'help out' ie wipe out the excess offending species.

A mixture of greenhouse gas reduction and climate change mitigation measures are required.
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12/12/2020 17:03:52 1 1
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Who told you that? The main things we need to do asap is PLANT deciduous Trees into forests and reduce the need to use the internal combustion engine, especially aircraft!
Aircraft are the main offender as they fly above the Cloud line and deposit their gases up there. Clouds are the cleaners of the air we breathe. They recycle our rubbish and send it back to earth in the rain.
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12/12/2020 16:38:25 1 1
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I never pay much attention to climate targets. If they are achieved, it's usually because they were set very low in the first place (or because we simply aren't counting some massive contributor to actual emissions such as imported goods). Then, if it looks like a target is going to be missed, the goalposts are simply moved so that we can declare "mission success!"
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12/12/2020 16:36:16 3 12
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Today's young will not see adulthood.

We have 12 years at the most to tackle climate change.

Animal Agriculture is destroying the planet Earth for humans.

For the sake of your children and your planet...

Go Vegan NOW!
78
12/12/2020 16:38:35 3 3
bbc
Look up almond production in california.
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12/12/2020 16:36:16 3 12
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Today's young will not see adulthood.

We have 12 years at the most to tackle climate change.

Animal Agriculture is destroying the planet Earth for humans.

For the sake of your children and your planet...

Go Vegan NOW!
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12/12/2020 16:38:45 2 2
bbc
have you taken your medication yet
Your rant is almost funny
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12/12/2020 16:38:51 1 1
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Stop using CO2 as the measure, go back to CO2e, even if it means explaining it in every article.

Methane is 80x more of a greenhouse gas than CO2 and some things we use that aren't actually vital, are well over 1000x as destructive as CO2.

The biggest actual worry is the permafrost across Siberia and Canada defrosting and releasing 100s of billions of tons of methane over just a couple of years
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12/12/2020 16:57:50 1 0
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OH, Scare Mongering are we. You'll be prattling on about the Ice caps soon!
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12/12/2020 16:39:01 1 1
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Boris has declared a 'Fridge door open day,' to bring temperatures into line. Why didn't Greta think of that!
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12/12/2020 16:55:37 6 0
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Because she's incapable of thinking anything other than what her parents tell her?
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12/12/2020 16:39:23 5 4
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LG 16:32 "Climate change is inevitable... I'm no scientist, I'm just looking at the history..."

No, your not a Scientist.
And you're not a very good Historian either.
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LG
12/12/2020 16:47:03 3 2
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A few hundred thousand years ago, when the planet was on a slightly different tilt there was higher temperatures in the northern hemisphere, and the Sahara desert was teeming with plant and animal life, when the north cooled, so the desert started to appear...

I suppose you are both a scientist and a historian, so tell us a bit of the history of our planet then...
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12/12/2020 16:50:58 3 1
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Only an idiot would say that climate change has never occurred before, and at speed. You dont need to be a scientist, just try reading books.
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12/12/2020 16:26:07 255 37
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Until the population problem is acknowledged, I cannot take this seriously. Without humans, there would be no problem. We need to take the pressure off the planet.
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12/12/2020 16:39:30 103 20
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Its alright, the Planet will get rid of humans as the climate warms. Sadly a lot of other mammals Insects etc will die at the same time.

However in half a million years or so the Planet Earth will be doing fine, may not be life as we know it about though.
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12/12/2020 16:49:56 4 2
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Nah. We won’t go quietly. If humans go, we’ll take the planet with us.
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To
12/12/2020 17:09:11 11 1
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The people in countries most at risk from climate change and the ensuing sea level rise (Kiribati, Bangladesh) have contributed the least to the crisis. It's not the blame of humans but the Western economic consumer capitalist system and those who benefit from it.
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12/12/2020 17:31:34 0 0
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As the flying dutchman neither will you thank goodness!
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12/12/2020 17:33:30 5 0
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What all of these nupties have forgotten it is the new world order wanting to also have the BMW on the drive in China that is causing global warming they are building one coal fired megawatt generator every month, where as here the planning takes at least thirty years or so!!
12/12/2020 21:23:09 0 0
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Until the big rock from the sky hits!
12/12/2020 21:58:16 0 0
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Could you be talking about evolution?
13/12/2020 03:41:16 0 0
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Mother nature will fight back, it's not going to be pretty
13/12/2020 09:06:10 0 0
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Or just maybe it will look like Venus with runaway global warming.
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12/12/2020 16:36:16 3 12
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Today's young will not see adulthood.

We have 12 years at the most to tackle climate change.

Animal Agriculture is destroying the planet Earth for humans.

For the sake of your children and your planet...

Go Vegan NOW!
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LG
12/12/2020 16:40:14 2 3
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We will have destroy more rain forest and more of nature to make way for all the farm land needed to grow veg for all the vegans. What we need is balance and better technology.
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12/12/2020 16:42:54 2 1
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You do not understand farming at all do you.

75% of ALL plants grown are grown to feed farm animals.

The Rain Forests are being destroyed to grow Soya and Palm to feed animals.
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LG
12/12/2020 16:32:56 6 10
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Climate change is inevitable, it is part of the history of the planet. Our planet has gone through lots of temperature changes in its history, don't think we will can change it, its part of nature. Is a warmer planet really such a bad thing, it happened millions of years ago, and life thrived... I'm no scientist, I'm just looking at the history...
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12/12/2020 16:40:27 0 1
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When it affects our current ways of life it will be considered “a bad thing” - costs will go up - be that food, water, (fossil) fuels... we may be okay in our ‘well-functioning’ society but elsewhere tensions may rise, peoples may be displaced...
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LG
12/12/2020 16:32:56 6 10
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Climate change is inevitable, it is part of the history of the planet. Our planet has gone through lots of temperature changes in its history, don't think we will can change it, its part of nature. Is a warmer planet really such a bad thing, it happened millions of years ago, and life thrived... I'm no scientist, I'm just looking at the history...
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12/12/2020 16:40:59 1 1
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'I'm no scientist'

You hit the nail on the head there alright! You also lack logic because you are attemting to advance the silly fallacy that because climate has changed in the past due natural factors it can't be changing today and in the future due to human causes.
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LG
12/12/2020 17:05:14 0 0
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It is changing, it always has changed, human influence is only one of a trillion things that can and has changed climate, I think you are the one lacking logic and knowledge, we need to evolve as a species to be able to survive, this planet of ours will not be habitable for the rest of time, but I suppose there is no logic or fact in that either, so tell us then...
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12/12/2020 16:32:18 59 21
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Years ago it was Nukes, now its Climate/Pandemics/Unstable Leaders/electric cars/crashing banks/crashing economies, not sure I am keeping up with demands being placed on my wallet and brain...
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12/12/2020 16:41:07 11 35
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Then just ignore it and be told what to do.
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12/12/2020 16:46:24 3 3
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Yes I will carry on watching and wait for further instruction's. Perhaps a referendum??
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GS
12/12/2020 17:21:00 2 1
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sairfecht = duck egg
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12/12/2020 18:23:46 2 0
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Or maybe vote for independence and Scotland will provide everything for free. Just wondering what 0% balance credit card the great leader will use.
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12/12/2020 16:32:34 26 24
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The world's wealthiest 1% account for more than twice the combined carbon emissions of the poorest 50%, according to the UN.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55229725

That wealthiest 1% will include a sizeable chunk of people in the UK, so please stop blaming China and admit the truth, it's everyone you know with an I'm alright Jack throwaway lifestyle, inc around 1/2 HYSers??
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12/12/2020 16:41:24 6 8
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Sounds like taxes paid by so few to so many !
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12/12/2020 16:48:27 3 1
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More like taxes dodged by so few, that could easily balance the majority of the planet, if they were forced to pay their fair share
There's nowt wrong with capitalism, as long as there's checks, balances and adequate punishments for those breaking the rules
The same can be said of Marxism, it's a fine theory, but in practice a few power hungry people seized power and twisted it to suit themselves
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12/12/2020 16:41:34 3 4
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https://i.redd.it/kdi05qrq65o31.png

If you look at the above world population density map you will see that England is one of the most densely populated countries on Earth.

In addition England is a high energy user per capita and has been a high energy user for a long time.

The English need to solve their own population problem before they can preach to less densely populated countries.
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12/12/2020 16:44:49 6 2
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Without the contribution of migrants and minorities the UK population is falling. It’s Africa that will be the problem look at projections, billions.
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12/12/2020 16:56:30 0 1
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GREAT, when are you leaving? Its a good idea, why don't we compulsarily relocate people to less populated areas????like Africa, South America. Have a reversal of the windrush generation using whites only!!
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tym
12/12/2020 16:57:43 0 0
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Yep, stop immigration. Birth rate is not the problem
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LG
12/12/2020 16:32:56 6 10
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Climate change is inevitable, it is part of the history of the planet. Our planet has gone through lots of temperature changes in its history, don't think we will can change it, its part of nature. Is a warmer planet really such a bad thing, it happened millions of years ago, and life thrived... I'm no scientist, I'm just looking at the history...
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12/12/2020 16:41:41 0 1
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Natural Climate change yes, ups and downs.

Human driven Climate Change will exacerbate the Peaks, slow the troughs, and potentially kill most of the human population one way or another.
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LG
12/12/2020 17:06:06 0 0
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again, inevitable unless we progress as a species...
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12/12/2020 16:23:35 338 50
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Encouraging people to have more kids than they can look after has to stop.

You can beat around the edges, reducing 'emissions', - it will slow down global warming perhaps, but it ain't going to solve the big problem.

Too many people wanting too much, and the belief in the west that they are poor if they can't afford a new settee and fresh strawberries in January etc.
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12/12/2020 16:42:19 28 2
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Agreed. The root of the problem is too many people consuming too many things. Population management needs to be tackled.
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adi
12/12/2020 16:48:22 5 26
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Those who worry that they are too many people should give their example first
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12/12/2020 17:00:44 7 37
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Go and top yourself then ! that'd be one less to worry about.
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12/12/2020 18:38:12 1 1
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Maybe COVID is nature levelling the playing field?
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12/12/2020 16:42:26 13 3
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Those nasty fridge gasses the world banned? They’re seeping back into the atmosphere again, coming from China.
This is pointless while some nations simply openly ignore without consequence. The more we reduce, the more they’ll increase.
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12/12/2020 16:49:52 5 9
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So are you suggesting the UK does nothing?

Isn’t it best to lead by example - because it’s the right thing to do?
12/12/2020 20:41:19 1 2
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The USA is the worst offender, FYI.
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12/12/2020 16:42:48 3 4
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Here is a chance for us to shine!!
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12/12/2020 16:42:50 38 3
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Would like to see what the UN measures of success are when it comes to the human species as a whole. Have they any information or measures on sustainable population growth? As long as populations grow faster then technology advancement/change to compensate for said population growth then this creates an unsustainable situation.
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12/12/2020 16:47:47 5 28
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So do you have plans to reduce the population or are you just going to complain.
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12/12/2020 16:52:06 7 5
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What all this boils down to is that there are far too many internal combustion engines burning fossil fuels. Get rid of them all, return to Horses and carriages that'll make a difference???
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LG
12/12/2020 16:40:14 2 3
bbc
We will have destroy more rain forest and more of nature to make way for all the farm land needed to grow veg for all the vegans. What we need is balance and better technology.
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12/12/2020 16:42:54 2 1
bbc
You do not understand farming at all do you.

75% of ALL plants grown are grown to feed farm animals.

The Rain Forests are being destroyed to grow Soya and Palm to feed animals.
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12/12/2020 16:53:27 0 0
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oh your serious,, oh dear you are misguided
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12/12/2020 16:43:01 2 2
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4500 years ago a mammoth said to its partner it’s a bit cold ?? but I here climate change will make things warmer so pack your trunk we’re off to the beach ??
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12/12/2020 16:49:21 1 1
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the other replied, NO we MUST do something about this its frightening. We'll ban all from visiting the beach that'll make things better!
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12/12/2020 16:32:34 26 24
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The world's wealthiest 1% account for more than twice the combined carbon emissions of the poorest 50%, according to the UN.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55229725

That wealthiest 1% will include a sizeable chunk of people in the UK, so please stop blaming China and admit the truth, it's everyone you know with an I'm alright Jack throwaway lifestyle, inc around 1/2 HYSers??
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12/12/2020 16:43:22 5 5
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Wealth is relative, in some countries £10,000 is massive wealth, in others it isn't.

These stats are not normalised to reflect the purchasing power and are therefore potentially disingenuous.
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12/12/2020 16:20:40 450 84
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Over-population is the main driver of climate change. Huge swathes of Guildford green belt, forests and parkland ripped up to be replaced by concrete and thousands of houses. How does that help our environment? It’s time population was put front and centre of the debate.
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12/12/2020 16:43:27 22 1
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South Oxfordshire LP forced through by Jenrick, 70% of 28,000 new home on "protected Green Belt". Housing stock in Oxfordshire to increase 40% yet pre-Covid, the county was at near full employment.
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12/12/2020 16:43:27 2 6
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We have always had climate change ,some win some lose ,I know myself I would like it a bit warmer especially during the winter it would be more pleasant and the bonus would be cheaper heating bills.
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12/12/2020 16:45:11 1 2
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Whoops John!
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12/12/2020 16:46:29 1 2
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I hope you are being dumb for comic effect.
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12/12/2020 16:47:34 0 1
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You are dead right john. The climate has changed since the beginning of time and will end at the end of time its not because of US its in spite of us. The earth is getting older. On a brighter side though is that whilst we still have many Volcanos erupting and plates colliding its an indication that the planet is far from its death!
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12/12/2020 17:01:34 0 0
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Warmer sure! But the predictions for the UK are more cloud and lots more rain.

I hope your house isn’t near a river.
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12/12/2020 16:32:34 26 24
bbc
The world's wealthiest 1% account for more than twice the combined carbon emissions of the poorest 50%, according to the UN.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55229725

That wealthiest 1% will include a sizeable chunk of people in the UK, so please stop blaming China and admit the truth, it's everyone you know with an I'm alright Jack throwaway lifestyle, inc around 1/2 HYSers??
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12/12/2020 16:43:52 6 3
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Many of the world's wealthiest 1% are in China which has more billionaires than any other nation. But yes the global elite should step up but they won't like Covid the rules don't apply to them.