Covid: UK isolation period shortened to 10 days
11/12/2020
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The change will apply to contacts of coronavirus cases and people quarantining after travel.
Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
You’re up North, so clearly far less important than London and the Tory south east.
If I was cynical I would say that they are reluctant to move London up a level because, based on the figures used to justify doing so in other areas they wouldn't be able to move the area back down again for longer than they would be comfortable to admit. They are quite happy to try and save face by avoiding moving up in the first place at all costs as a result.
But that wouldn't happen, surely?
But that wouldn't happen, surely?
According to Manchester City Council the most recent data says there are 167.1 cases per 100,000, and London's is 191.8 per 100,000. So it looks like the no of cases is higher in London, not just the R rate. I'm guessing maybe they'll make a change soon and move London into tier 3? Seems like they should anyway
Please, level the Welsh, we need your lockdowns, it saves lives. Please step in now.
Doesn't this also have something to do with the ability of an area to cope with hospital admissions? I'd have thought London has a significantly higher capacity for this which may account for the disparity based on cases.
I guess Liverpool, Yorkshire and the West Midlands are in south now, huh? No mass testing done there, right? This anti-London inferiority complex is dull and misinformed.
It's a total clusterf***. Where I live the infection rate is 48/100,000 but because somewhere at the other end of the county is about 140/100,000 (Portsmouth) we will probably be kept in tier 2. If London doesn't enter tier 3 then Manchester definitely has a case of discrimination!
They shouldn’t wait to change London’s level .... doubt it will change though, they’ll argue it’s past it’s peak.
Obviously Boris and his government continuing to kick Andy Burnham in the teeth because he had the audacity to insist on proper furlough payments and business grants for the people of Manchester. Shockley vindictive.
As infection rates appear to be falling in all regions except London, areas in Tier 3 should be moved to Tier 2 rather the London moved to Tier 3.
Not true, only a small part of London, NE.
the rest of London barely affected.
the rest of London barely affected.
Boris doesn't care about the thick Brexiteer northerners.
Got your vote then laughed at you.
Got your vote then laughed at you.
Although higher R rate, and people with covid, it's all about hospital wards which they have plenty off, Most towns/cities have 2 maximum, london has at least 4 or 5 so it's probably hospital wards/spaces that are actually keeping them out. I agree it is the same north/south divide and will take many years to fix
Well if Andy Burhman wasn't such a tribal 70s Scargill throwback, you might be treated differently.
No one has had a 'harsh' lockdown, they have all been soft and feeble. Testing useless as it is, has had problem of volume that get better all, the time, hence it is being used more for pr as time goes by. No conspirisy against the precious whiny north.
Whinging by the terminaly victim sentiment by the north though, now part of their character.
Whinging by the terminaly victim sentiment by the north though, now part of their character.
Blame Andy Burnham for his disgraceful grandstanding.
It's nothing to do with fairness but the fact that Johnson and Burnham had a political battle that the latter lost and the people in Manchester and the surrounding towns get to carry the can. Political battles have victims and this will be remembered when Burnham next asks the electorate for their support. Personally, I think both are a waste of space and wouldn't vote for either of them.
Not an expert on English tiers but has your mayor been pestering to get this testing for Manchester? Or has this been tried and you're still too high? If you don't ask then you don't get.
You've served your purpose for Boris in voting Tory. Once the Scots declare independence, Conservative majorities in the rump UK are all but guaranteed so he won't need Tory voters in the North anymore. He'll quickly lose whatever minimal interest he had in you and deny having ever said anything different.
Just Boris being Boris. Why did anyone expect him to become a different person in No.10?
Just Boris being Boris. Why did anyone expect him to become a different person in No.10?
Of course it's treated differently its the capital and most important city in the country!
You need to ask Andy Burnham. All tier 3 regions have been offered mass testing. Manchester must have chosen not to take up the offer.
That giant northern shoulder chip is there again!!
You could take this view - but the alternative view is that just because something wasn't done previously, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done subsequently.
Must be down to Andy Burnham
"Discuss!"
ok i will then.
Bad attitude from Manchester, Andy Burnham didn't help. Constantly playing the "victim" card and expecting exceptions to the rules.
A higher number of parties reported to the police, and a grisly barrage of "flouters" like gym and hair salon owners shaming themselves with silly Magna Carta "notices".
All of this on top of being a Brexit voting region.
ok i will then.
Bad attitude from Manchester, Andy Burnham didn't help. Constantly playing the "victim" card and expecting exceptions to the rules.
A higher number of parties reported to the police, and a grisly barrage of "flouters" like gym and hair salon owners shaming themselves with silly Magna Carta "notices".
All of this on top of being a Brexit voting region.
1 Manchunian = 5 Londoners if what you say is true then 16 December you will come down to tier 2 and London will go up to tier3 Have you forgotten already that Liverpool agreed to mass testing and now they're in tier 2 difference they didn't throw their toys out of the pram like Burham
If you're at risk or have Covid, then isolate. If not, then don't...why does it need to be so complicated
Because there are so many asymptomatic cases. Have you not realised?
It’s not but people choose to not, or can’t, follow the rules. Hardly any couple walks single file when passing someone on the pavement. Lots of people don’t know how to wear a mask properly. People who’ve travelled from high-risk countries take their chances. What’s simple to us is difficult to other people.
You are suggesting that those at risk should isolate indefinitely. So far we have thousands of people in this country who have been isolated since March whilst this bumbling incompetent government thrash around completely out of their depth.
Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
Discuss!
Could’ve sworn he said “levelling up” maybe it was a typo. Certainly feels that way
Levelling it to the ground.
"Boris Levelling the north, as promised"
He probably meant locking up the north.
He probably meant locking up the north.
Liverpool
nightingale hospital overwhelmed still ? must be really busy there .....yawn
Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
It’s not but people choose to not, or can’t, follow the rules. Hardly any couple walks single file when passing someone on the pavement. Lots of people don’t know how to wear a mask properly. People who’ve travelled from high-risk countries take their chances. What’s simple to us is difficult to other people.
Make it as long or short as you like. Only 20% of people obey the rules anyway !!!
Wrong ,Online shopping has gone through the roof even with supermarket shopping so they must be trying to avoid the virus.
Source for your claim?
Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
Discuss!
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In my only experience of 'Test & Trace', if you count the day of the contact as Day 1, the notification actually arrived on the evening of Day 9. So, under these terms, the message would have been "stay in the rest of today and tomorrow"!!
Maybe best for all to go about their business thinking that they're already infected, and take all the precautions that they can to stop the spread.
Maybe best for all to go about their business thinking that they're already infected, and take all the precautions that they can to stop the spread.
People are already asked to do that - that's why we wear masks and social distance- to protect others, not ourselves.
You'll probably also be counted as not complying with the isolation requirements for days 1-9, even through you didn't know you had to isolate.
T&T got in touch with me on day 2 but the person who tested positive (that I was in contact with) phoned me when they had symptoms before they got the test then phoned me when they got a positive result. This is what I would expect most people to do but why let reality get in the way of negative comments.
This is a step in the right direction and supported by the science. For those of us with relatives overseas it’s not been an easy year.
How often do you see your relatives oversees? It has only been 9 months.
I would've seen my sister at least 3 times this year, as it is I haven't seen her once and it's now been over a year since I last saw her
the science has been made up computer modules from day 1, look at Fergusons record, he shouldn't be trusted to run a bath!
I wonder how many MPs were in the canary islands for a winter break and want to still have Christmas when they get back this weekend? ;)
Simple answer........none
Next question.
Next question.
Lot of politicians have nice tans. No sunshine here
This is hardly making it any better and will be largely ignored. If you refuse to isolate for 14 days why would you do so for 10? As most people with it don't have any symptoms and therefore don't get ill they will not sit in a room for an extended period. As for returning from holiday, just about everywhere you can go has lower rates than here so again, the risk is what???
I'm one of the 80+% who ignored being asked to isolate. I mean the text message I got from 'Track and trace' was a full 7 days after any potential contact. I did get tested straightaway and it came back negative. After that I thought 'Fu** em.
And people blame foreigners, students, for the spread of the virus......
Who uses the app any more anyway or gives correct details? I dont want to have to stop working just because I was in bluetooth range of someone whilst out walking?
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Your behaviour was utterly reprehensible and yet you are bragging about it!!!
You see all these white middle-class fuddy duddies going, ‘Oh, we’ve got to find the new equivalent’. They’re looking in Oxford and Cambridge. No. Dr Dre, yeah. Ice T. They’re the equivalent of Wordsworth
"People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days."
Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller”, as since last week their travel is exempt. It’s no wonder there’s little faith in the strategy when discriminative policies like this are used (against a non-discriminative virus).
Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller”, as since last week their travel is exempt. It’s no wonder there’s little faith in the strategy when discriminative policies like this are used (against a non-discriminative virus).
Business travellers have never had to isolate, any more than the lorry drivers have
Its ok, past January we won't be allowed in europe anyway due to our high numbers. So 10 days 14 days 30 days doesn't actually matter.
If the airports were in trouble because of covid19, brexit will finish them
If the airports were in trouble because of covid19, brexit will finish them
But I understood they are supposed to do their business meetings, not socialise, and then stay in their hotel.
The regulation says "Senior executives can temporarily leave quarantine in England if they are undertaking business activities which are likely to be of significant economic benefit to the UK."
So no jollies then, assuming they abide by the rules ..
The regulation says "Senior executives can temporarily leave quarantine in England if they are undertaking business activities which are likely to be of significant economic benefit to the UK."
So no jollies then, assuming they abide by the rules ..
BWhit480: "People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days." Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller” ...
You are so right. I have been fuming over this 'business exemption' announced, with little media coverage. Clearly money not health counts ...
You are so right. I have been fuming over this 'business exemption' announced, with little media coverage. Clearly money not health counts ...
So there's apparently 5000 Brits in the Canaries. Why are people still being let out of the country?
uh the virus does discriminate. It clearly afflicts the elderly far more than the young. you don't seem to mind this kind of discrimination or am i missing something? and yes I am aware that the young can still transmit the virus to the elderly but to me that sounds like their problem (to which the solution is quite simple, stay indoors and wait for your vaccine).
UAE now has far worst figures than it had when it was added to the travel corridor. Why has it not been removed again? The govt seem to make things up as they go along ???????
There should be no exemptions.......the virus doesn’t differentiate between Mr/Mrs/Ms Average and “High Value Business Traveller”
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Makes me laugh people complaining about having to isolate after a few weeks in the Canaries, are these people daft going on a jolly with all this going on, and then they bleet like they think we will care
Shocked to see that Heathrow Airport say they had 1,000,000 passengers in November. No wonder our Covid figures are going through the roof. And we have no way of monitoring them ( unlike every country that is successfully tackling Covid).
Add to that all the foreigners who come through Stansted so they don’t get their passports checked and we have the mess we are in. Is this to hasten Brexit?
Add to that all the foreigners who come through Stansted so they don’t get their passports checked and we have the mess we are in. Is this to hasten Brexit?
Tories negotiate better deals with Covid than EU.
I'm one of the 80+% who ignored being asked to isolate. I mean the text message I got from 'Track and trace' was a full 7 days after any potential contact. I did get tested straightaway and it came back negative. After that I thought 'Fu** em.
Did OP even have the virus to spread? Guess we'll never know.
And you want to blame someone who returned a negative test (the most definite measurethere is)?
Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
Discuss!
If I was cynical I would say that they are reluctant to move London up a level because, based on the figures used to justify doing so in other areas they wouldn't be able to move the area back down again for longer than they would be comfortable to admit. They are quite happy to try and save face by avoiding moving up in the first place at all costs as a result.
But that wouldn't happen, surely?
But that wouldn't happen, surely?
14 days was too much. Too big an ask, especially if you're feeling absolutely fine.
And this "self isolate if you arrive in England from X after 04:00 on Sunday" (while you can enter Wales from X without isolating) nonsense should never have happened. We needed UK-wide quarantine for arrivals and closed the border entirely to non-citizens or residents, or those with a specially approved need.
And this "self isolate if you arrive in England from X after 04:00 on Sunday" (while you can enter Wales from X without isolating) nonsense should never have happened. We needed UK-wide quarantine for arrivals and closed the border entirely to non-citizens or residents, or those with a specially approved need.
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I'm due to go back to Australia after 3 years in the UK early next year. We've got to spend 2 weeks in a hotel room (only the room) with my wife and 2 kids. It's going to cost £2800 for that accommodation. 10 or 14 days home isolation seems like paradise by comparison. Flight costs are double what they would have been.
Not going to miss UK winging. Doesn't seem like you lot are happy either way.
Not going to miss UK winging. Doesn't seem like you lot are happy either way.
Australia has had the right approach: closing borders, no-nonsense police enforcing the rules, a good contact trace system. At first they adopted the European model of tackling coronavirus, realised it didn't work and took the Asian approach - they have an extremely low infection rate now.
Of course it isn’t. Do you seriously think everybody was visiting their relatives in March. Most will not have seen them for a year before the pandemic, so for many it will be approaching 2 years. We have a daughter in Canada who had a baby in May and we haven’t seen her for 2 years, and probably won’t see her for at least 6 months, so our granddaughter will be over a year old before we see her.
I'm one of the 80+% who ignored being asked to isolate. I mean the text message I got from 'Track and trace' was a full 7 days after any potential contact. I did get tested straightaway and it came back negative. After that I thought 'Fu** em.
Nine months and they suddenly find 10 days will suffice - No wonder very few believe they have a grip on the situation!
Presumably you have never learned from anything over time then
I am sure you knew exactly how the virus spread 9 months ago.
No ?
Well, neither did anybody else - anywhere in the world.
I guess you are a "Captain Hindsight" immoral Stammer supporter, then.
No ?
Well, neither did anybody else - anywhere in the world.
I guess you are a "Captain Hindsight" immoral Stammer supporter, then.
Make it as long or short as you like. Only 20% of people obey the rules anyway !!!
Make it as long or short as you like. Only 20% of people obey the rules anyway !!!
Week 38 since the lockdown:
Boris should be focusing on vaccines not shortening the quarantine
Boris should have made sure our regulator was working with the Oxford/Astrazenica team from the outset ... since March ... it is the best 'not for profit' team
With better planning we could have been rolling out the vaccine from the Oxford / Astrazenica team by now
Boris should be focusing on vaccines not shortening the quarantine
Boris should have made sure our regulator was working with the Oxford/Astrazenica team from the outset ... since March ... it is the best 'not for profit' team
With better planning we could have been rolling out the vaccine from the Oxford / Astrazenica team by now
This is hardly making it any better and will be largely ignored. If you refuse to isolate for 14 days why would you do so for 10? As most people with it don't have any symptoms and therefore don't get ill they will not sit in a room for an extended period. As for returning from holiday, just about everywhere you can go has lower rates than here so again, the risk is what???
Have some of you ever heard the term "The horse has bolted" You need to understand that 'Track and farce' (sorry trace) doesn't contact you an hour after any potential contact. Often it can be a week or more. 14 days isolation when you have had 7 or 8 days with no symptoms makes no sense. It would make more sense after that time to just get tested, then get on with your life.
I remember track and trace. Cost us 20 billions. When will we get it?
It would make more sense for each of us to take responsibility and assume we have at some point been in contact with a covid-carrier; then take the basic sanitary precautions ...
Ah yes, the good Baroness Dodo seems to have disappeared off the radar. Perhaps another "chum" has given her an "even more important task" to make a complete hash of without either qualifications or experience.........
It’s a bit late closing the stable door when the horse is in the field doing the quick step
Yes it would make sense if they offered people who are self-isolating (like us this week) a test - but they don't. Where is the promised mass testing? The Moonshot must have landed on the dark side because there is no sign of it. Usual incompetence and broken promises.
I was contacted by track and trace 10 minutes after a housemate got a positive test as were all members of the household. The reason it is perceived not to work is that often the ones that test positive are not identifying contacts .
Remember everyone saying how wonderful Germany's track and trace was? Look at them now - daily death rate higher than ours. Reality is too many pratts in England who disregarded the rules. Wouldn't have stopped the virus, but might have delayed it until the vaccine took hold. Look at the news everyday - police breaking up dozens of illegal parties, etc., yet the stupid blame the gov.
Great news Hopefully now instead of isolating for 0 days people will isolate for 0 days
Best comment on here by a long way. Restrictions and rules are only as useful as they are enforceable.
Meanwhile in Sweden life goes on with limited restrictions, zero lockdowns and yet a lower mortality rate than most of Europe.
Nine months and they suddenly find 10 days will suffice - No wonder very few believe they have a grip on the situation!
Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people.
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Don't suppose anybody can give me the figures of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid and not WITH it can they? No because they don't exist.
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Any consideration for those who have died of it, or their families??
And here are the stats for the country of origin of that fairy tale :-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Nine months and they suddenly find 10 days will suffice - No wonder very few believe they have a grip on the situation!
If I was cynical I would say that they are reluctant to move London up a level because, based on the figures used to justify doing so in other areas they wouldn't be able to move the area back down again for longer than they would be comfortable to admit. They are quite happy to try and save face by avoiding moving up in the first place at all costs as a result.
But that wouldn't happen, surely?
But that wouldn't happen, surely?
As usual the point is missed
The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through
Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles
You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through
Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles
You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
Yeah you missed the point as well. There aren't 10,000's of people in airports anymore, it's like 10's
and how does that differ from a mixing household, or a pub full of drunktards? Travelers aren't the issue.. the little minded entitled natives are
sitting on an aircraft with 200 strangers for 10 hours springs to mind!
I don’t think any airport is seeing 10,000’s of thousands of travellers. The planes that are flying have very few passengers. A further point is that airport terminals are massive with very high ceilings, and are a lot safer than any shops we go in
"The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) ... "
You need better holiday planning, then!
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You need better holiday planning, then!
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A football ground with everyone standing up screaming and shouting 6 feet apart? Then the getting in and out and travelling.. Why don't they use the whole ground to spread people out?
The government has already invented a place that is the best place to catch Covid, its called a PUB. They have been the most virulent places since this cold began!!!
In that case perhaps it is time to allow people to avoid quarantine if they travel through the tunnel to France. You are not allowed to get out of your car during the journey, so the only time you come within several metres of anyone is if you go into the terminal building to use the toilets.
you clearly haven't been anywhere near an airport recently
"You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19" except, a school.
..... and if you did? ...
What about a requirement for anyone returning from hospital to self isolate?
From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital
From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital
Actually a good point.
Far too sensible. Boris and his chums like to blame pubs, they're an easy target. The few times I've been to pubs this year, they've been very safe and well organised.
Good thought there, So, So many holes. All I do is just smile and wave now.
Probably a good idea looking just at patients. The problem is you couldn’t have hospital staff self isolating forever so they would need to be exempt, and at that point patients might reasonably ask why they should stick to a rule if there doctor isn’t.
And do these statistics take into account the relative number of people in pubs and hospitals? If there are fewer people in pubs, there will be fewer cases.
"From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital"
Indeed, we should start sending patients to pubs.
Indeed, we should start sending patients to pubs.
'From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital'
That misunderstands what those stats meant.
'PHE said the data did not prove where people were contracting coronavirus.' only where app users visited in lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418
That misunderstands what those stats meant.
'PHE said the data did not prove where people were contracting coronavirus.' only where app users visited in lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418
Everything is relative, hospitals are rammed full of staff and patients etc pubs only have a few people in so it's hardly comparable is it?
Basically Beachside, follow the post operation instructions given to you for your surgery.
For my follow up with the surgeon I felt safer returning to hospital than colliding with muppets in a supermarket who put a mask on & then don't follow any rules whatsoever.
For my follow up with the surgeon I felt safer returning to hospital than colliding with muppets in a supermarket who put a mask on & then don't follow any rules whatsoever.
Why are hospitals not made like cleanrooms ... instead of having filthy staff, patients, visitors wandering in and out without being decontaminated ....slosh the Domestos around for Christ's sake !!!
You’re far less likely to die in a pub than a hospital. So if you feel unwell, go to the pub.
But that wouldn't unfairly ruin a innocent persons life.
We only save people when we can harm others as well
We only save people when we can harm others as well
I'm in ONS random survey & tested +tive after an outpatients appt. Voluntarily isolated 2 weeks prior to visit & hadn't gone out in the few days after so c.100% I got it at hospital.
Visiting a building with multiple known covid patients in it obviously gives you a higher risk of getting infected than visiting somewhere with no known covid patients (even if you drink beer there).
Visiting a building with multiple known covid patients in it obviously gives you a higher risk of getting infected than visiting somewhere with no known covid patients (even if you drink beer there).
Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people.
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So more than 60,000 excess deaths are plainly down to more people picking their noses and bleeding to death then - Jeez the amoebas are out in force
As usual the point is missed
The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through
Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles
You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through
Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles
You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
Drakeford is certainly leading the way. Only problem is, it's down the u-bend.
Is anyone still bothering with all this nonsense?
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well the stage was set ,we proved it ,were useless gullible and will swallow anything,
take anything in the name of science and now we have given them free reign to push and poke us around with lockdowns and god knows what in the future , flu coming...lockdown global warming ,lockdown ,you wait and see you just wait and see
take anything in the name of science and now we have given them free reign to push and poke us around with lockdowns and god knows what in the future , flu coming...lockdown global warming ,lockdown ,you wait and see you just wait and see
Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
Discuss!
According to Manchester City Council the most recent data says there are 167.1 cases per 100,000, and London's is 191.8 per 100,000. So it looks like the no of cases is higher in London, not just the R rate. I'm guessing maybe they'll make a change soon and move London into tier 3? Seems like they should anyway
Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people.
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From 14 to 10 days?....
Ah yes....the Establishment need their winter holidays abroad.....
Ah yes....the Establishment need their winter holidays abroad.....
"People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days."
Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller”, as since last week their travel is exempt. It’s no wonder there’s little faith in the strategy when discriminative policies like this are used (against a non-discriminative virus).
Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller”, as since last week their travel is exempt. It’s no wonder there’s little faith in the strategy when discriminative policies like this are used (against a non-discriminative virus).
"Business travellers have never had to isolate"
So why did Grant Shapps announce it?
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482
So why did Grant Shapps announce it?
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482
But they do the other way, in countries that care! Obviously not Trump land
Yes we do according to the rules. There are several exceptions but the vast majority would need to isolate.
They have. I spent two weeks after coming back from Azerbaijan. As told to me by a good friend who works in the oil business.
The lack of knowledge by those moaning is staggering
Funny China Thailand Vietnam Singapore New Zealand Australia have not reduce there quarantine time .UK getting it totally wrong again
It's funny because it's true.
It'll be 9 in Wales though because I don't think Mark Drakeford can count past 10.
It'll be 9 in Wales though because I don't think Mark Drakeford can count past 10.
Actually it is England who are usually deciding to have different rules. Like they decided to have then not have exams despite the Scottish gov going through the same thing a few weeks earlier. Why is this not seen as being different for being difference's sake?
That would make sense as a snarky remark if the point wasn't to reduce the bloody time, think in the future you and the person beneath you, an escalation in this case would be to make the number lower, the iq on people these days.
You're so right! Drakeford and Sturgeon just being converse and obtuse to look as important as they can be, which isn't a lot.
Such blatant lies, not supported by the article or anything else are neither funny nor helpful to anyone. Yet still there are upticks. No wonder there are difficulties in getting people to do sensible things for their own others' health.
It’s already 10 days in Wales. Do keep up.
And the facts:-
https://www.gov.scot/news/reduction-in-self-isolation/
https://www.gov.scot/news/reduction-in-self-isolation/
Haha - so true!
But not before Nichola has had a good rant about 10 days being the wrong number and how everybody else (apart from her) is clueless and irresponsible...
But not before Nichola has had a good rant about 10 days being the wrong number and how everybody else (apart from her) is clueless and irresponsible...
Savage but fair comment. You guys are making 2020 better. Loving the comment
Do powerful women scare you little boy?
Free of Boris and his gang soon. tick tock, tick tock
Perhaps if those incurring a positive test were to be placed immediately on furlough for two weeks, rather than having to forfeit 2 weeks' leave or two weeks' wages, compliance would be higher..
You're in the wrong job. Full sick pay here if positive, and yes I am in the private sector before you ask. Time to look for something else?
As a long-term freelance who has received no government financial support, why should I, in my tax, pay for your suggested furlough support for those that feel they Must Go on holiday??
Surely they should make the decision to fund themselves for a two-week (now 10 days) isolation rather than expect us to fund it ...
Surely they should make the decision to fund themselves for a two-week (now 10 days) isolation rather than expect us to fund it ...
Correct. A few people I work with had to isolate due to being in close contact with someone who got Covid and they didn't get any sick pay.
It's laughable!
It's laughable!
I'm all in favour of furlough when it's that or bust for companies, but it's a bit of a stretch to ask tax payers to fund people's time off through personal choice.
Where on earth are all the previous comments?
Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people.
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And here are the stats for the country of origin of that fairy tale :-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Is anyone still bothering with all this nonsense?
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Week 38 since the lockdown:
Boris should be focusing on vaccines not shortening the quarantine
Boris should have made sure our regulator was working with the Oxford/Astrazenica team from the outset ... since March ... it is the best 'not for profit' team
With better planning we could have been rolling out the vaccine from the Oxford / Astrazenica team by now
Boris should be focusing on vaccines not shortening the quarantine
Boris should have made sure our regulator was working with the Oxford/Astrazenica team from the outset ... since March ... it is the best 'not for profit' team
With better planning we could have been rolling out the vaccine from the Oxford / Astrazenica team by now
This will increase the spread of the virus, right when it is on the verge of increasing. A small difference is the difference between growth and no growth in the spread of the virus. Why are they looking at things in isolation?
Not really, you have to go to hospital, you don't have to go to a pub....
It is indeed a good point. My son-in-law is certain he picked up the virus at an A & E where he had to take his daughter, and before the clever-clogses start commenting, both he and my daughter work in the NHS and don't go to A&E for fun. They don't work in hospitals but in secure mental-health units, btw.
Not really all inpatients in hospital are tested while in there.
Actually a good pint
Its clear still learning about the virus- pity didn't know this few months ago & my son may not have been in quarantine from school for so long
Last time absent pupil sat next to him on twin desk tested positive- he/we didn't get nor did anyone in primary class - makes you wonder 30 in small room
Like the vaccine - great news, but don't know how long immunity lasts- maybe virus will go for good!
Last time absent pupil sat next to him on twin desk tested positive- he/we didn't get nor did anyone in primary class - makes you wonder 30 in small room
Like the vaccine - great news, but don't know how long immunity lasts- maybe virus will go for good!
You got lucky (or the kids were asymptomatic - did any extended family members of the rest of the class come down with it?).
Many in similar situations have not been so lucky as to avoid it. Some schools have 60+ cases in London and transmission has been high.
Many in similar situations have not been so lucky as to avoid it. Some schools have 60+ cases in London and transmission has been high.
Once I have had the vaccine, I better not be asked to still isolate.
That makes no sense at all.
That makes no sense at all.
If you want sense, move abroad.
Interesting point. How are the ever changing rules going to change to accommodate vaccinated people?
Why not? The vaccine wont stop you getting it, or passing it to others. it stops the virus developing so that you need hospital treatment
At best it seems it will take weeks for it to take effect, and that's after the 2nd doze which is three weeks after the first.
So no super quick fix
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/
So no super quick fix
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/
hey bbc what about a lovely hys on barbara windsor and all the massive amount of contribution to uk tv over the years be nice to hear stories from people that met her ,but no that's far to nice isn't it ,we need to keep the doom and gloom up misery gets clicks hey
r.i.p and thankyou for all the laughs ,what a crush i had on you as a kid x much love the windsor family x Removed
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For goodness sake, Keir Starmer, please, step in and remove the Welsh blundering fool. Today’s update is mindless, hesitant, obviously wrong, and will lead to many deaths. We must have someone else’s view on this, we need help in Wales because it isn’t working.
As usual the point is missed
The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through
Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles
You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through
Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles
You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
Where on earth are all the previous comments?
That's funny, my doctor refused to give me a cortisone injection two days out of isolation as there was a risk I still had virus in me.
Your doctor is a coward, like most doctors have proven to be.
I work in pharmacy and we have been open and operating normally throughout the whole of 2020, all local doctors surgeries closed down and many are still not open. They also tell people that they cant see them for ear/eye problems or blood pressure checks as the risk is too great so they send them to us instead! Pharmacy has been royaly screwed by the goverment during this.
I wonder if all you lot who are horrified at this change are planning on having family round at Christmas. There's a big wiff of hypocrisy on HYS this morning.
The five days of mingling festivity is sanctioned by the Government.
They must have had some assurances from Covid that it would take Christmas off otherwise this would be another stupid Gov decision which would lead to increased deaths.
They must have had some assurances from Covid that it would take Christmas off otherwise this would be another stupid Gov decision which would lead to increased deaths.
Yeah. Still not interested.
Not for me thanks. I’m self employed.
They have already smashed my business and not compensated me.
Not been cooperating now for 6 months
Not for me thanks. I’m self employed.
They have already smashed my business and not compensated me.
Not been cooperating now for 6 months
Give it a rest. You're as bad as students who whined about not getting the exam grade they wanted for the exam they didn't take. How you think you are entitled to compensation for work that isn't guaranteed is laughable. Get a full time contracted job with guarantees on paper, then you have a case. Otherwise, move along. Besides, the VIRUS "smashed" your business. The Government didn't.
You have my genuine sympathy. Totally understand why you feel that way, especially when you see the way in which some in the public eye have flipped the bird.
"Self-isolation for contacts of people with confirmed coronavirus will be shortened from 14 to 10 days across the UK from Monday."
Which mathematically means covid infections will rise by 28.922%.
Which mathematically means covid infections will rise by 28.922%.
That's some very linear thinking you have going on there.
"People are most infectious around the time they first develop symptoms and by day 10, only about 2% will still be capable of passing on the virus to others."
"People are most infectious around the time they first develop symptoms and by day 10, only about 2% will still be capable of passing on the virus to others."
Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
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It would be far worse for Wales. Manchester has a booming tech sector and has become an international hub for young professionals and creative media.
The Welsh economy relies on visiting ramblers, caravan parks and souvenir fudge. You kind of lack Manchester's ability to still economically function in the face of a lockdown.
The Welsh economy relies on visiting ramblers, caravan parks and souvenir fudge. You kind of lack Manchester's ability to still economically function in the face of a lockdown.
If you are a patient at either of my local hospitals then you have a 35% chance of catching the virus. Absolutely shocking. Statistics from NHS England.
Please post a link? I have googled and can't find any figures remotely like the one you quote, so it would be really helpful to see the source.
Not true. Estimates are that circa 25% of covid cases in hospital acquired it at the hospital. Seeing as that is low double digits in a large hospital it means almost all patients don't get it.
Hospitals are where the sick people go.
Who'd of thought that you would be more at risk in a Hospital.
Quick call the DM - I'm sure it'll be a block buster headline.
Who'd of thought that you would be more at risk in a Hospital.
Quick call the DM - I'm sure it'll be a block buster headline.
Thanks for the google suggestion. If you mean this
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ongoing-problem-of-hospital-acquired-infections-across-the-uk/
then you seem to be completely misunderstanding the figures. Tipsy nurse understands it correctly.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ongoing-problem-of-hospital-acquired-infections-across-the-uk/
then you seem to be completely misunderstanding the figures. Tipsy nurse understands it correctly.
"If you are a patient at either of my local hospitals then you have a 35% chance of catching the virus."
That has been the case with MRSA for a long time. NHS hospitals are filthy disgusting places.
That has been the case with MRSA for a long time. NHS hospitals are filthy disgusting places.
what's the percentage fpr dying of it? ,,,,,,
Is anyone still bothering with all this nonsense?
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Actually not following the rules, whatever they may be, is the reason. If the science at the time suggested 14 days, people should have isolated for 14 day. Now all the science points to 10 days. So people need to isolate for 10. Science and rules change because this is a brand new situation, that isn’t the problem. People not following the rules to begin with causes the mess
When circumstances and knowledge changes then rules change - It's why we are all no longer wearing nappies and sleeping in cots - though with the intelligence of some on here, there may be a doubt about that
So big rises in cases up north - Tier 3 is implemented.
Big rises in London, testing in schools is "advised but not mandatory", still the same Tier and the next day the quarantine is reduced to 10 days.
Got it. Definitely no preferential treatment for our capital.
Big rises in London, testing in schools is "advised but not mandatory", still the same Tier and the next day the quarantine is reduced to 10 days.
Got it. Definitely no preferential treatment for our capital.
London needs its own rules as to all intents and purposes it is another country
Same as Edinburgh vs Glasgow - had the stats for Tier 2 weeks ago, but I'll bet they both leave Tier3 together.
A lot of the North voted for the Tories, knowing full well what they are like with their treatment of the North versus the South.
You got what they wanted - so enjoy it and stop moaning about something you made happen.
You got what they wanted - so enjoy it and stop moaning about something you made happen.
You said it, its our capital so is a more important place than anywhere else
Nor should there be!
I couldn't believe they are waiting until the 16th before they fully review London, shocking!
The government will probably do everything it possibly can to avoid London going into Tier 3. Politically it looks bad on their policies if London moves up a Tier only 2 weeks after the 2nd lockdown.
In fairness London brings in a huge bulk of GDP.
Lets have some explanation about the reason for keeping Lahdon in Tier 2 and then complaining that the numbers of Covid infections is going UP - whilst every other part of the country in Tier 3 is going down!!
This government doesn't have to explain - or so it believes. A lack of crystal clear explanation and justification has been lacking throughout
... because they announced (stupidly) that they would not make changes to tiers until Dec 16.
Cos we're worth it!!
My GP practice have said that they will not be going back to in person appointments even after the pandemic is controlled and phone appointments will be standard in future. I'll be interested to look at their accounts for this year, and see if their surplus has grown or shrunk.
14 days was too much. Too big an ask, especially if you're feeling absolutely fine.
And this "self isolate if you arrive in England from X after 04:00 on Sunday" (while you can enter Wales from X without isolating) nonsense should never have happened. We needed UK-wide quarantine for arrivals and closed the border entirely to non-citizens or residents, or those with a specially approved need.
And this "self isolate if you arrive in England from X after 04:00 on Sunday" (while you can enter Wales from X without isolating) nonsense should never have happened. We needed UK-wide quarantine for arrivals and closed the border entirely to non-citizens or residents, or those with a specially approved need.
And New Zealand won't be letting any of us visit Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu any time soon.
Yes, I can cut and paste too.
Yes, I can cut and paste too.
I think on these forums the BBC lets through 100% of remainer type comments
and only 50% leaver type of comments the disappear into the either never to be seen again .
this happens to my post often even though they are on thread
could just be leaver type comments are blocked first 200 or so
that it appears the remain comments are the most popular
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and only 50% leaver type of comments the disappear into the either never to be seen again .
this happens to my post often even though they are on thread
could just be leaver type comments are blocked first 200 or so
that it appears the remain comments are the most popular
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I have a simpler explanation. Only 50% of the population still believe in Unicorns.
Strangest thing to happen today. Had to take the cat to the vet this morning because she came in with a cut paw. £80, but no issues with getting him seen to, and no vets hiding under the table.
Compare that to our GP. I think he is frightened of answering the phone in case the virus transmits down the line.
I have stopped taking this virus seriously now. The fear junkies have made me this way.
Compare that to our GP. I think he is frightened of answering the phone in case the virus transmits down the line.
I have stopped taking this virus seriously now. The fear junkies have made me this way.
Or maybe some folk are too dim to press the refresh button ?
F5 on a Windows PC.
Mind you, I bet you use a ZX Spectrum still.
F5 on a Windows PC.
Mind you, I bet you use a ZX Spectrum still.
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