Covid: UK isolation period shortened to 10 days
11/12/2020 | news | health | 1,294
The change will apply to contacts of coronavirus cases and people quarantining after travel.
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11/12/2020 12:21:42 712 56
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Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
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11/12/2020 12:23:44 322 37
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Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
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BD
11/12/2020 12:28:23 75 13
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You’re up North, so clearly far less important than London and the Tory south east.
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11/12/2020 12:35:07 75 5
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If I was cynical I would say that they are reluctant to move London up a level because, based on the figures used to justify doing so in other areas they wouldn't be able to move the area back down again for longer than they would be comfortable to admit. They are quite happy to try and save face by avoiding moving up in the first place at all costs as a result.

But that wouldn't happen, surely?
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11/12/2020 12:39:38 46 4
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According to Manchester City Council the most recent data says there are 167.1 cases per 100,000, and London's is 191.8 per 100,000. So it looks like the no of cases is higher in London, not just the R rate. I'm guessing maybe they'll make a change soon and move London into tier 3? Seems like they should anyway
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11/12/2020 12:52:33 9 17
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Please, level the Welsh, we need your lockdowns, it saves lives. Please step in now.
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11/12/2020 12:57:21 41 22
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Doesn't this also have something to do with the ability of an area to cope with hospital admissions? I'd have thought London has a significantly higher capacity for this which may account for the disparity based on cases.
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11/12/2020 12:58:58 40 77
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I guess Liverpool, Yorkshire and the West Midlands are in south now, huh? No mass testing done there, right? This anti-London inferiority complex is dull and misinformed.
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11/12/2020 12:59:58 56 12
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It's a total clusterf***. Where I live the infection rate is 48/100,000 but because somewhere at the other end of the county is about 140/100,000 (Portsmouth) we will probably be kept in tier 2. If London doesn't enter tier 3 then Manchester definitely has a case of discrimination!
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11/12/2020 13:01:16 9 2
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They shouldn’t wait to change London’s level .... doubt it will change though, they’ll argue it’s past it’s peak.
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11/12/2020 13:04:59 26 9
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Obviously Boris and his government continuing to kick Andy Burnham in the teeth because he had the audacity to insist on proper furlough payments and business grants for the people of Manchester. Shockley vindictive.
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11/12/2020 13:08:44 5 5
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As infection rates appear to be falling in all regions except London, areas in Tier 3 should be moved to Tier 2 rather the London moved to Tier 3.
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11/12/2020 13:03:32 10 6
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Not true, only a small part of London, NE.
the rest of London barely affected.
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11/12/2020 13:17:21 19 16
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Boris doesn't care about the thick Brexiteer northerners.

Got your vote then laughed at you.
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11/12/2020 13:04:19 8 3
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I doubt very many have been isolating for the full 14 days.
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11/12/2020 13:22:21 9 3
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Although higher R rate, and people with covid, it's all about hospital wards which they have plenty off, Most towns/cities have 2 maximum, london has at least 4 or 5 so it's probably hospital wards/spaces that are actually keeping them out. I agree it is the same north/south divide and will take many years to fix
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11/12/2020 13:08:50 18 30
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Well if Andy Burhman wasn't such a tribal 70s Scargill throwback, you might be treated differently.
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11/12/2020 13:24:13 9 14
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No one has had a 'harsh' lockdown, they have all been soft and feeble. Testing useless as it is, has had problem of volume that get better all, the time, hence it is being used more for pr as time goes by. No conspirisy against the precious whiny north.

Whinging by the terminaly victim sentiment by the north though, now part of their character.
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11/12/2020 13:27:29 6 2
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Why don't you take the matter up with your local TORY MP?
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11/12/2020 13:17:04 13 16
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Blame Andy Burnham for his disgraceful grandstanding.
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11/12/2020 13:29:47 7 4
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It's nothing to do with fairness but the fact that Johnson and Burnham had a political battle that the latter lost and the people in Manchester and the surrounding towns get to carry the can. Political battles have victims and this will be remembered when Burnham next asks the electorate for their support. Personally, I think both are a waste of space and wouldn't vote for either of them.
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11/12/2020 13:33:01 2 5
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Not an expert on English tiers but has your mayor been pestering to get this testing for Manchester? Or has this been tried and you're still too high? If you don't ask then you don't get.
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11/12/2020 13:42:14 7 3
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You've served your purpose for Boris in voting Tory. Once the Scots declare independence, Conservative majorities in the rump UK are all but guaranteed so he won't need Tory voters in the North anymore. He'll quickly lose whatever minimal interest he had in you and deny having ever said anything different.

Just Boris being Boris. Why did anyone expect him to become a different person in No.10?
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BZ
11/12/2020 13:51:39 2 6
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Of course it's treated differently its the capital and most important city in the country!
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11/12/2020 13:57:57 5 5
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You need to ask Andy Burnham. All tier 3 regions have been offered mass testing. Manchester must have chosen not to take up the offer.
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11/12/2020 14:05:34 8 5
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That giant northern shoulder chip is there again!!
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11/12/2020 14:06:49 1 0
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You could take this view - but the alternative view is that just because something wasn't done previously, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done subsequently.
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11/12/2020 14:10:18 2 0
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Must be down to Andy Burnham
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11/12/2020 14:13:58 6 5
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"Discuss!"

ok i will then.

Bad attitude from Manchester, Andy Burnham didn't help. Constantly playing the "victim" card and expecting exceptions to the rules.

A higher number of parties reported to the police, and a grisly barrage of "flouters" like gym and hair salon owners shaming themselves with silly Magna Carta "notices".

All of this on top of being a Brexit voting region.
That’s because your mayor is a tosser. Removed
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11/12/2020 14:35:51 0 0
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Is that a surprise
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11/12/2020 14:41:47 4 2
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1 Manchunian = 5 Londoners if what you say is true then 16 December you will come down to tier 2 and London will go up to tier3 Have you forgotten already that Liverpool agreed to mass testing and now they're in tier 2 difference they didn't throw their toys out of the pram like Burham
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11/12/2020 12:22:17 13 18
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If you're at risk or have Covid, then isolate. If not, then don't...why does it need to be so complicated
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BD
11/12/2020 12:27:01 27 6
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Because there are so many asymptomatic cases. Have you not realised?
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11/12/2020 12:27:06 12 4
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It’s not but people choose to not, or can’t, follow the rules. Hardly any couple walks single file when passing someone on the pavement. Lots of people don’t know how to wear a mask properly. People who’ve travelled from high-risk countries take their chances. What’s simple to us is difficult to other people.
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11/12/2020 12:30:02 4 4
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You are suggesting that those at risk should isolate indefinitely. So far we have thousands of people in this country who have been isolated since March whilst this bumbling incompetent government thrash around completely out of their depth.
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11/12/2020 12:37:39 3 2
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How do you know if you are at risk, see Spanish Flu for details.
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11/12/2020 12:21:42 712 56
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Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
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11/12/2020 12:23:44 322 37
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Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
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11/12/2020 12:25:58 3 17
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I prefer flan so...
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11/12/2020 12:26:32 30 4
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Could’ve sworn he said “levelling up” maybe it was a typo. Certainly feels that way
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11/12/2020 14:02:03 2 0
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Levelling it to the ground.
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11/12/2020 13:59:13 2 1
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"Boris Levelling the north, as promised"

He probably meant locking up the north.
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11/12/2020 14:42:04 1 0
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Liverpool
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jay
11/12/2020 12:24:33 4 18
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oh get the testing back up so your science can enforce more pain and lockdowns yay if you gonna destroy a country may as well be cherry about it
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11/12/2020 12:27:03 9 3
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Sometimes I'll start a sentence and I don't even know where it's going too.
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11/12/2020 12:25:32 6 7
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A good idea is a good idea forever
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11/12/2020 12:37:57 0 2
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Who Cares Wins
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11/12/2020 12:44:43 1 1
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All bad ideas start off as good ideas
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jay
11/12/2020 12:25:36 7 15
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nightingale hospital overwhelmed still ? must be really busy there .....yawn
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11/12/2020 12:28:48 1 17
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You see all these white middle-class fuddy duddies going, ‘Oh, we’ve got to find the new equivalent’. They’re looking in Oxford and Cambridge. No. Dr Dre, yeah. Ice T. They’re the equivalent of Wordsworth
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11/12/2020 12:23:44 322 37
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Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
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11/12/2020 12:25:58 3 17
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I prefer flan so...
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11/12/2020 12:23:44 322 37
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Boris Levelling the north, as promised.
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11/12/2020 12:26:32 30 4
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Could’ve sworn he said “levelling up” maybe it was a typo. Certainly feels that way
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11/12/2020 12:22:17 13 18
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If you're at risk or have Covid, then isolate. If not, then don't...why does it need to be so complicated
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BD
11/12/2020 12:27:01 27 6
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Because there are so many asymptomatic cases. Have you not realised?
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jay
11/12/2020 12:24:33 4 18
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oh get the testing back up so your science can enforce more pain and lockdowns yay if you gonna destroy a country may as well be cherry about it
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11/12/2020 12:27:03 9 3
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Sometimes I'll start a sentence and I don't even know where it's going too.
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11/12/2020 12:22:17 13 18
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If you're at risk or have Covid, then isolate. If not, then don't...why does it need to be so complicated
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11/12/2020 12:27:06 12 4
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It’s not but people choose to not, or can’t, follow the rules. Hardly any couple walks single file when passing someone on the pavement. Lots of people don’t know how to wear a mask properly. People who’ve travelled from high-risk countries take their chances. What’s simple to us is difficult to other people.
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11/12/2020 12:27:18 19 11
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Make it as long or short as you like. Only 20% of people obey the rules anyway !!!
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11/12/2020 12:35:50 8 7
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Wrong ,Online shopping has gone through the roof even with supermarket shopping so they must be trying to avoid the virus.
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11/12/2020 12:35:56 5 3
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Source for your claim?
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11/12/2020 17:45:24 1 0
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I suspect 80% try to follow the rules. 15% don’t follow all of the rules and 5% don’t give a stuff. It’s hard for some people to isolate for two weeks if they don’t get paid.
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11/12/2020 12:21:42 712 56
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Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
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BD
11/12/2020 12:28:23 75 13
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You’re up North, so clearly far less important than London and the Tory south east.
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11/12/2020 14:05:31 7 0
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The South East is not London and Kent is in tier 3 also.
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jay
11/12/2020 12:25:36 7 15
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nightingale hospital overwhelmed still ? must be really busy there .....yawn
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11/12/2020 12:28:48 1 17
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You see all these white middle-class fuddy duddies going, ‘Oh, we’ve got to find the new equivalent’. They’re looking in Oxford and Cambridge. No. Dr Dre, yeah. Ice T. They’re the equivalent of Wordsworth
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11/12/2020 12:28:55 69 11
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In my only experience of 'Test & Trace', if you count the day of the contact as Day 1, the notification actually arrived on the evening of Day 9. So, under these terms, the message would have been "stay in the rest of today and tomorrow"!!

Maybe best for all to go about their business thinking that they're already infected, and take all the precautions that they can to stop the spread.
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11/12/2020 13:28:59 44 11
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People are already asked to do that - that's why we wear masks and social distance- to protect others, not ourselves.
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11/12/2020 13:30:19 1 2
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You'll probably also be counted as not complying with the isolation requirements for days 1-9, even through you didn't know you had to isolate.
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11/12/2020 13:43:15 6 1
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T&T got in touch with me on day 2 but the person who tested positive (that I was in contact with) phoned me when they had symptoms before they got the test then phoned me when they got a positive result. This is what I would expect most people to do but why let reality get in the way of negative comments.
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11/12/2020 12:29:12 23 12
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This is a step in the right direction and supported by the science. For those of us with relatives overseas it’s not been an easy year.
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11/12/2020 12:35:21 16 18
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How often do you see your relatives oversees? It has only been 9 months.
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GW
11/12/2020 12:45:58 5 8
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Wonder why covid is high here is your answer
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11/12/2020 12:49:28 6 3
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I would've seen my sister at least 3 times this year, as it is I haven't seen her once and it's now been over a year since I last saw her
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11/12/2020 13:08:54 8 6
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the science has been made up computer modules from day 1, look at Fergusons record, he shouldn't be trusted to run a bath!
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11/12/2020 12:29:31 22 18
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I wonder how many MPs were in the canary islands for a winter break and want to still have Christmas when they get back this weekend? ;)
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11/12/2020 13:03:10 9 2
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Simple answer........none

Next question.
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11/12/2020 13:05:47 1 3
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Lot of politicians have nice tans. No sunshine here
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11/12/2020 12:29:44 9 14
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This is hardly making it any better and will be largely ignored. If you refuse to isolate for 14 days why would you do so for 10? As most people with it don't have any symptoms and therefore don't get ill they will not sit in a room for an extended period. As for returning from holiday, just about everywhere you can go has lower rates than here so again, the risk is what???
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11/12/2020 12:36:32 7 6
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Covid-19 travelled around the world by air travel so all countries need to be extra cautious about incoming and outgoing flights.
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11/12/2020 12:29:51 16 29
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I'm one of the 80+% who ignored being asked to isolate. I mean the text message I got from 'Track and trace' was a full 7 days after any potential contact. I did get tested straightaway and it came back negative. After that I thought 'Fu** em.
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11/12/2020 12:33:58 21 11
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And people blame foreigners, students, for the spread of the virus......
Who uses the app any more anyway or gives correct details? I dont want to have to stop working just because I was in bluetooth range of someone whilst out walking? Removed
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11/12/2020 17:47:33 0 1
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Your behaviour was utterly reprehensible and yet you are bragging about it!!!
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11/12/2020 12:22:17 13 18
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If you're at risk or have Covid, then isolate. If not, then don't...why does it need to be so complicated
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11/12/2020 12:30:02 4 4
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You are suggesting that those at risk should isolate indefinitely. So far we have thousands of people in this country who have been isolated since March whilst this bumbling incompetent government thrash around completely out of their depth.
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11/12/2020 12:30:04 3 18
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You see all these white middle-class fuddy duddies going, ‘Oh, we’ve got to find the new equivalent’. They’re looking in Oxford and Cambridge. No. Dr Dre, yeah. Ice T. They’re the equivalent of Wordsworth
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11/12/2020 12:39:33 0 1
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Winnersh
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11/12/2020 13:01:59 0 2
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Mid-tier M.C.'s at best. They should be be considering more verbose artists like Aesop Rock or MF DOOM, both of whom have a much larger vocabulary than the average old head or dead poet.
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11/12/2020 12:30:46 412 26
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"People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days."

Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller”, as since last week their travel is exempt. It’s no wonder there’s little faith in the strategy when discriminative policies like this are used (against a non-discriminative virus).
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11/12/2020 12:45:26 181 23
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Business travellers have never had to isolate, any more than the lorry drivers have
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11/12/2020 13:29:55 16 5
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Its ok, past January we won't be allowed in europe anyway due to our high numbers. So 10 days 14 days 30 days doesn't actually matter.
If the airports were in trouble because of covid19, brexit will finish them
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11/12/2020 13:32:19 10 3
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But I understood they are supposed to do their business meetings, not socialise, and then stay in their hotel.

The regulation says "Senior executives can temporarily leave quarantine in England if they are undertaking business activities which are likely to be of significant economic benefit to the UK."

So no jollies then, assuming they abide by the rules ..
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BD
11/12/2020 13:36:19 24 5
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BWhit480: "People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days." Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller” ...

You are so right. I have been fuming over this 'business exemption' announced, with little media coverage. Clearly money not health counts ...
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11/12/2020 15:29:24 3 0
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So there's apparently 5000 Brits in the Canaries. Why are people still being let out of the country?
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11/12/2020 15:37:56 3 2
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uh the virus does discriminate. It clearly afflicts the elderly far more than the young. you don't seem to mind this kind of discrimination or am i missing something? and yes I am aware that the young can still transmit the virus to the elderly but to me that sounds like their problem (to which the solution is quite simple, stay indoors and wait for your vaccine).
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11/12/2020 17:43:12 0 0
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UAE now has far worst figures than it had when it was added to the travel corridor. Why has it not been removed again? The govt seem to make things up as they go along ???????
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11/12/2020 17:51:18 0 1
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There should be no exemptions.......the virus doesn’t differentiate between Mr/Mrs/Ms Average and “High Value Business Traveller”
11/12/2020 22:46:56 0 0
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Makes me laugh people complaining about having to isolate after a few weeks in the Canaries, are these people daft going on a jolly with all this going on, and then they bleet like they think we will care
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11/12/2020 12:31:43 9 24
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Shocked to see that Heathrow Airport say they had 1,000,000 passengers in November. No wonder our Covid figures are going through the roof. And we have no way of monitoring them ( unlike every country that is successfully tackling Covid).

Add to that all the foreigners who come through Stansted so they don’t get their passports checked and we have the mess we are in. Is this to hasten Brexit?
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11/12/2020 12:31:46 15 10
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Moving forwards all the time as we learn how to control and avoid this virus, thank you everyone involved.
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11/12/2020 12:31:47 12 12
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Tories negotiate better deals with Covid than EU.
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11/12/2020 12:29:51 16 29
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I'm one of the 80+% who ignored being asked to isolate. I mean the text message I got from 'Track and trace' was a full 7 days after any potential contact. I did get tested straightaway and it came back negative. After that I thought 'Fu** em.
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11/12/2020 12:33:58 21 11
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And people blame foreigners, students, for the spread of the virus......
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11/12/2020 12:37:38 1 1
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Did OP even have the virus to spread? Guess we'll never know.
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11/12/2020 12:49:40 0 2
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And you want to blame someone who returned a negative test (the most definite measurethere is)?
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11/12/2020 12:21:42 712 56
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Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
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11/12/2020 12:35:07 75 5
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If I was cynical I would say that they are reluctant to move London up a level because, based on the figures used to justify doing so in other areas they wouldn't be able to move the area back down again for longer than they would be comfortable to admit. They are quite happy to try and save face by avoiding moving up in the first place at all costs as a result.

But that wouldn't happen, surely?
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:39:09 34 6
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I think you are spot on there.
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11/12/2020 12:35:16 62 12
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14 days was too much. Too big an ask, especially if you're feeling absolutely fine.

And this "self isolate if you arrive in England from X after 04:00 on Sunday" (while you can enter Wales from X without isolating) nonsense should never have happened. We needed UK-wide quarantine for arrivals and closed the border entirely to non-citizens or residents, or those with a specially approved need.
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11/12/2020 12:54:43 55 1
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I don't imagine there'll be too many flights from Barbados to
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11/12/2020 13:46:03 11 3
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I'm due to go back to Australia after 3 years in the UK early next year. We've got to spend 2 weeks in a hotel room (only the room) with my wife and 2 kids. It's going to cost £2800 for that accommodation. 10 or 14 days home isolation seems like paradise by comparison. Flight costs are double what they would have been.

Not going to miss UK winging. Doesn't seem like you lot are happy either way.
Stu
11/12/2020 19:25:40 0 0
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Australia has had the right approach: closing borders, no-nonsense police enforcing the rules, a good contact trace system. At first they adopted the European model of tackling coronavirus, realised it didn't work and took the Asian approach - they have an extremely low infection rate now.
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11/12/2020 12:29:12 23 12
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This is a step in the right direction and supported by the science. For those of us with relatives overseas it’s not been an easy year.
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11/12/2020 12:35:21 16 18
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How often do you see your relatives oversees? It has only been 9 months.
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11/12/2020 13:00:36 7 3
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At least 3 times a year
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11/12/2020 13:31:28 4 2
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Of course it isn’t. Do you seriously think everybody was visiting their relatives in March. Most will not have seen them for a year before the pandemic, so for many it will be approaching 2 years. We have a daughter in Canada who had a baby in May and we haven’t seen her for 2 years, and probably won’t see her for at least 6 months, so our granddaughter will be over a year old before we see her.
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11/12/2020 12:29:51 16 29
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I'm one of the 80+% who ignored being asked to isolate. I mean the text message I got from 'Track and trace' was a full 7 days after any potential contact. I did get tested straightaway and it came back negative. After that I thought 'Fu** em.
Who uses the app any more anyway or gives correct details? I dont want to have to stop working just because I was in bluetooth range of someone whilst out walking? Removed
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11/12/2020 12:28:58 14 18
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Nine months and they suddenly find 10 days will suffice - No wonder very few believe they have a grip on the situation!
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11/12/2020 12:37:40 22 7
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Presumably you have never learned from anything over time then
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11/12/2020 12:38:16 14 3
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I am sure you knew exactly how the virus spread 9 months ago.

No ?

Well, neither did anybody else - anywhere in the world.

I guess you are a "Captain Hindsight" immoral Stammer supporter, then.
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11/12/2020 12:27:18 19 11
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Make it as long or short as you like. Only 20% of people obey the rules anyway !!!
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11/12/2020 12:35:50 8 7
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Wrong ,Online shopping has gone through the roof even with supermarket shopping so they must be trying to avoid the virus.
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11/12/2020 12:53:26 1 1
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more likely they realised they can buy the same crap online and have it delivered along with a takeaway, than pay for parking and not even enjoy a coffee, pint or cafe meal!
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11/12/2020 12:27:18 19 11
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Make it as long or short as you like. Only 20% of people obey the rules anyway !!!
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11/12/2020 12:35:56 5 3
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Source for your claim?
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11/12/2020 12:36:03 6 13
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Week 38 since the lockdown:

Boris should be focusing on vaccines not shortening the quarantine

Boris should have made sure our regulator was working with the Oxford/Astrazenica team from the outset ... since March ... it is the best 'not for profit' team

With better planning we could have been rolling out the vaccine from the Oxford / Astrazenica team by now

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11/12/2020 12:48:06 4 4
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In fairness, Boris SHOULD be doing lots of things
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11/12/2020 12:29:44 9 14
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This is hardly making it any better and will be largely ignored. If you refuse to isolate for 14 days why would you do so for 10? As most people with it don't have any symptoms and therefore don't get ill they will not sit in a room for an extended period. As for returning from holiday, just about everywhere you can go has lower rates than here so again, the risk is what???
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11/12/2020 12:36:32 7 6
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Covid-19 travelled around the world by air travel so all countries need to be extra cautious about incoming and outgoing flights.
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11/12/2020 12:36:36 146 13
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Have some of you ever heard the term "The horse has bolted" You need to understand that 'Track and farce' (sorry trace) doesn't contact you an hour after any potential contact. Often it can be a week or more. 14 days isolation when you have had 7 or 8 days with no symptoms makes no sense. It would make more sense after that time to just get tested, then get on with your life.
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11/12/2020 13:27:01 158 11
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I remember track and trace. Cost us 20 billions. When will we get it?
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BD
11/12/2020 13:40:32 14 1
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It would make more sense for each of us to take responsibility and assume we have at some point been in contact with a covid-carrier; then take the basic sanitary precautions ...
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11/12/2020 14:24:26 16 1
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Ah yes, the good Baroness Dodo seems to have disappeared off the radar. Perhaps another "chum" has given her an "even more important task" to make a complete hash of without either qualifications or experience.........
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11/12/2020 14:46:05 2 0
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It’s a bit late closing the stable door when the horse is in the field doing the quick step
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11/12/2020 15:18:59 7 1
bbc
Yes it would make sense if they offered people who are self-isolating (like us this week) a test - but they don't. Where is the promised mass testing? The Moonshot must have landed on the dark side because there is no sign of it. Usual incompetence and broken promises.
987
11/12/2020 18:56:59 1 1
bbc
I was contacted by track and trace 10 minutes after a housemate got a positive test as were all members of the household. The reason it is perceived not to work is that often the ones that test positive are not identifying contacts .
11/12/2020 20:55:03 1 0
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Remember everyone saying how wonderful Germany's track and trace was? Look at them now - daily death rate higher than ours. Reality is too many pratts in England who disregarded the rules. Wouldn't have stopped the virus, but might have delayed it until the vaccine took hold. Look at the news everyday - police breaking up dozens of illegal parties, etc., yet the stupid blame the gov.
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jay
11/12/2020 12:36:58 6 6
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test and trace ..... where the yucca plant still tests positive ......
i love my government sooooooooo much
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11/12/2020 12:32:43 224 11
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Great news Hopefully now instead of isolating for 0 days people will isolate for 0 days
507
11/12/2020 14:51:23 73 2
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Best comment on here by a long way. Restrictions and rules are only as useful as they are enforceable.
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11/12/2020 17:46:05 7 0
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Meanwhile in Sweden life goes on with limited restrictions, zero lockdowns and yet a lower mortality rate than most of Europe.
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11/12/2020 12:37:14 40 7
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Political and economic decision.

Following the science???
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11/12/2020 12:33:58 21 11
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And people blame foreigners, students, for the spread of the virus......
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11/12/2020 12:37:38 1 1
bbc
Did OP even have the virus to spread? Guess we'll never know.
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11/12/2020 12:22:17 13 18
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If you're at risk or have Covid, then isolate. If not, then don't...why does it need to be so complicated
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11/12/2020 12:37:39 3 2
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How do you know if you are at risk, see Spanish Flu for details.
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11/12/2020 12:28:58 14 18
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Nine months and they suddenly find 10 days will suffice - No wonder very few believe they have a grip on the situation!
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11/12/2020 12:37:40 22 7
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Presumably you have never learned from anything over time then
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11/12/2020 12:25:32 6 7
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A good idea is a good idea forever
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11/12/2020 12:37:57 0 2
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Who Cares Wins
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Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people. Removed
Don't suppose anybody can give me the figures of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid and not WITH it can they? No because they don't exist. Removed
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11/12/2020 12:44:38 4 1
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Any consideration for those who have died of it, or their families??
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11/12/2020 12:47:52 1 1
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And here are the stats for the country of origin of that fairy tale :-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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11/12/2020 12:28:58 14 18
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Nine months and they suddenly find 10 days will suffice - No wonder very few believe they have a grip on the situation!
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11/12/2020 12:38:16 14 3
bbc
I am sure you knew exactly how the virus spread 9 months ago.

No ?

Well, neither did anybody else - anywhere in the world.

I guess you are a "Captain Hindsight" immoral Stammer supporter, then.
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11/12/2020 12:35:07 75 5
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If I was cynical I would say that they are reluctant to move London up a level because, based on the figures used to justify doing so in other areas they wouldn't be able to move the area back down again for longer than they would be comfortable to admit. They are quite happy to try and save face by avoiding moving up in the first place at all costs as a result.

But that wouldn't happen, surely?
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:39:09 34 6
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I think you are spot on there.
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i just love the new woke normal ,diversity street taking a knee near you soon ......
maybe you'll be required to take a knee before a test :)

covid lives matter
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11/12/2020 12:51:34 0 3
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I know, those silly people suggesting racism is a bad thing.
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11/12/2020 12:30:04 3 18
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You see all these white middle-class fuddy duddies going, ‘Oh, we’ve got to find the new equivalent’. They’re looking in Oxford and Cambridge. No. Dr Dre, yeah. Ice T. They’re the equivalent of Wordsworth
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11/12/2020 12:39:33 0 1
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Winnersh
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11/12/2020 12:40:08 158 32
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As usual the point is missed

The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through

Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles

You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:41:58 55 13
bbc
Exactly
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11/12/2020 12:51:21 20 13
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Yeah you missed the point as well. There aren't 10,000's of people in airports anymore, it's like 10's
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11/12/2020 13:00:03 13 9
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and how does that differ from a mixing household, or a pub full of drunktards? Travelers aren't the issue.. the little minded entitled natives are
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11/12/2020 13:06:09 13 8
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sitting on an aircraft with 200 strangers for 10 hours springs to mind!
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11/12/2020 13:20:25 6 5
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Actually - they have - they're called "Care homes"!
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11/12/2020 13:20:51 15 5
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I don’t think any airport is seeing 10,000’s of thousands of travellers. The planes that are flying have very few passengers. A further point is that airport terminals are massive with very high ceilings, and are a lot safer than any shops we go in
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11/12/2020 13:30:59 4 1
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"The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) ... "

You need better holiday planning, then!

??
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11/12/2020 14:08:08 3 0
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A football ground with everyone standing up screaming and shouting 6 feet apart? Then the getting in and out and travelling.. Why don't they use the whole ground to spread people out?
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11/12/2020 15:36:23 2 4
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The government has already invented a place that is the best place to catch Covid, its called a PUB. They have been the most virulent places since this cold began!!!
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11/12/2020 17:52:47 1 0
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In that case perhaps it is time to allow people to avoid quarantine if they travel through the tunnel to France. You are not allowed to get out of your car during the journey, so the only time you come within several metres of anyone is if you go into the terminal building to use the toilets.
11/12/2020 20:15:37 0 0
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you clearly haven't been anywhere near an airport recently
11/12/2020 21:04:56 1 0
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"You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19" except, a school.
12/12/2020 22:40:48 0 0
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..... and if you did? ...
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11/12/2020 12:40:37 283 24
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What about a requirement for anyone returning from hospital to self isolate?
From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital
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11/12/2020 12:48:56 123 9
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Actually a good point.
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11/12/2020 13:33:50 20 5
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Far too sensible. Boris and his chums like to blame pubs, they're an easy target. The few times I've been to pubs this year, they've been very safe and well organised.
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11/12/2020 13:49:37 4 2
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Good thought there, So, So many holes. All I do is just smile and wave now.
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11/12/2020 13:56:27 5 3
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Probably a good idea looking just at patients. The problem is you couldn’t have hospital staff self isolating forever so they would need to be exempt, and at that point patients might reasonably ask why they should stick to a rule if there doctor isn’t.
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11/12/2020 14:06:59 8 10
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So you want to close hospitals and open pubs, oh dear
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11/12/2020 14:19:16 8 5
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And do these statistics take into account the relative number of people in pubs and hospitals? If there are fewer people in pubs, there will be fewer cases.
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11/12/2020 15:57:55 7 1
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"From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital"

Indeed, we should start sending patients to pubs.
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11/12/2020 16:11:55 3 1
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'From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital'

That misunderstands what those stats meant.
'PHE said the data did not prove where people were contracting coronavirus.' only where app users visited in lockdown.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418
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11/12/2020 16:20:00 1 3
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Everything is relative, hospitals are rammed full of staff and patients etc pubs only have a few people in so it's hardly comparable is it?
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11/12/2020 16:21:21 0 1
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Basically Beachside, follow the post operation instructions given to you for your surgery.

For my follow up with the surgeon I felt safer returning to hospital than colliding with muppets in a supermarket who put a mask on & then don't follow any rules whatsoever.
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11/12/2020 16:27:07 2 2
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Why are hospitals not made like cleanrooms ... instead of having filthy staff, patients, visitors wandering in and out without being decontaminated ....slosh the Domestos around for Christ's sake !!!
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11/12/2020 17:59:55 3 0
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You’re far less likely to die in a pub than a hospital. So if you feel unwell, go to the pub.
11/12/2020 20:33:57 0 1
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But that wouldn't unfairly ruin a innocent persons life.

We only save people when we can harm others as well
Liz
12/12/2020 12:34:46 1 0
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I'm in ONS random survey & tested +tive after an outpatients appt. Voluntarily isolated 2 weeks prior to visit & hadn't gone out in the few days after so c.100% I got it at hospital.

Visiting a building with multiple known covid patients in it obviously gives you a higher risk of getting infected than visiting somewhere with no known covid patients (even if you drink beer there).
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11/12/2020 12:28:48 1 17
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You see all these white middle-class fuddy duddies going, ‘Oh, we’ve got to find the new equivalent’. They’re looking in Oxford and Cambridge. No. Dr Dre, yeah. Ice T. They’re the equivalent of Wordsworth
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Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people. Removed
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Don't suppose anybody can give me the figures of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid and not WITH it can they? No because they don't exist. Removed
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11/12/2020 12:44:32 4 1
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So more than 60,000 excess deaths are plainly down to more people picking their noses and bleeding to death then - Jeez the amoebas are out in force
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11/12/2020 12:47:13 4 1
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You misunderstand how deaths are reported. Doctors will never say someone died OF Cancer. They will say that someone died WITH Cancer. Why would they do something different just to please deniers?
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11/12/2020 12:40:08 158 32
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As usual the point is missed

The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through

Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles

You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:41:58 55 13
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Exactly
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11/12/2020 13:37:09 0 2
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The pub?
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11/12/2020 12:43:50 5 6
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Wales leads the way again. Well done Cymru!
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11/12/2020 12:49:16 2 1
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Drakeford is certainly leading the way. Only problem is, it's down the u-bend.
Is anyone still bothering with all this nonsense? Removed
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11/12/2020 12:48:04 1 3
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Yes, mainstream media unfortunately.
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11/12/2020 12:52:58 1 1
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Caring about others? Yes people are still bothering.
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jay
11/12/2020 12:44:23 8 11
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well the stage was set ,we proved it ,were useless gullible and will swallow anything,
take anything in the name of science and now we have given them free reign to push and poke us around with lockdowns and god knows what in the future , flu coming...lockdown global warming ,lockdown ,you wait and see you just wait and see
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11/12/2020 12:21:42 712 56
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Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
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11/12/2020 12:39:38 46 4
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According to Manchester City Council the most recent data says there are 167.1 cases per 100,000, and London's is 191.8 per 100,000. So it looks like the no of cases is higher in London, not just the R rate. I'm guessing maybe they'll make a change soon and move London into tier 3? Seems like they should anyway
Don't suppose anybody can give me the figures of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid and not WITH it can they? No because they don't exist. Removed
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11/12/2020 12:44:32 4 1
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So more than 60,000 excess deaths are plainly down to more people picking their noses and bleeding to death then - Jeez the amoebas are out in force
Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people. Removed
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11/12/2020 12:44:38 4 1
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Any consideration for those who have died of it, or their families??
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11/12/2020 12:25:32 6 7
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A good idea is a good idea forever
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11/12/2020 12:44:43 1 1
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All bad ideas start off as good ideas
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11/12/2020 12:45:23 6 6
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From 14 to 10 days?....

Ah yes....the Establishment need their winter holidays abroad.....
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11/12/2020 12:52:00 4 4
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Travel is why UK/Europe have had some cases and deaths - those who have done well have controlled their borders......more movement/mixing more spread - quite simple....
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11/12/2020 12:30:46 412 26
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"People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days."

Unless of course you’re a “high value business traveller”, as since last week their travel is exempt. It’s no wonder there’s little faith in the strategy when discriminative policies like this are used (against a non-discriminative virus).
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11/12/2020 12:45:26 181 23
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Business travellers have never had to isolate, any more than the lorry drivers have
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Bob
11/12/2020 13:25:02 17 1
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"Business travellers have never had to isolate"

So why did Grant Shapps announce it?

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482
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11/12/2020 13:29:01 8 4
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But they do the other way, in countries that care! Obviously not Trump land
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11/12/2020 13:40:16 6 1
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Yes we do according to the rules. There are several exceptions but the vast majority would need to isolate.
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11/12/2020 13:42:26 3 2
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They have. I spent two weeks after coming back from Azerbaijan. As told to me by a good friend who works in the oil business.
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11/12/2020 14:43:25 0 0
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The lack of knowledge by those moaning is staggering
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11/12/2020 18:27:50 0 0
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That isn't quite true. It's subject to two Covid 19 (£150 each) tests and until the results are received they have to self isolate
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11/12/2020 12:29:12 23 12
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This is a step in the right direction and supported by the science. For those of us with relatives overseas it’s not been an easy year.
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GW
11/12/2020 12:45:58 5 8
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Wonder why covid is high here is your answer
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11/12/2020 12:46:36 5 11
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Funny China Thailand Vietnam Singapore New Zealand Australia have not reduce there quarantine time .UK getting it totally wrong again
Breaking News - Nichola announces it will be 10.5 days in Scotland Removed
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11/12/2020 13:12:39 157 30
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It's funny because it's true.

It'll be 9 in Wales though because I don't think Mark Drakeford can count past 10.
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11/12/2020 13:33:37 8 3
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You mean 9.5 if your a member of the SNP!
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11/12/2020 13:35:53 8 21
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Actually it is England who are usually deciding to have different rules. Like they decided to have then not have exams despite the Scottish gov going through the same thing a few weeks earlier. Why is this not seen as being different for being difference's sake?
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11/12/2020 13:36:01 4 17
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That would make sense as a snarky remark if the point wasn't to reduce the bloody time, think in the future you and the person beneath you, an escalation in this case would be to make the number lower, the iq on people these days.
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11/12/2020 13:42:13 18 8
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You're so right! Drakeford and Sturgeon just being converse and obtuse to look as important as they can be, which isn't a lot.
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11/12/2020 13:55:39 9 22
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Such blatant lies, not supported by the article or anything else are neither funny nor helpful to anyone. Yet still there are upticks. No wonder there are difficulties in getting people to do sensible things for their own others' health.
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11/12/2020 14:13:13 6 4
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It’s already 10 days in Wales. Do keep up.
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11/12/2020 14:29:57 4 3
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Haha - so true!

But not before Nichola has had a good rant about 10 days being the wrong number and how everybody else (apart from her) is clueless and irresponsible...
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11/12/2020 15:12:29 0 2
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Savage but fair comment. You guys are making 2020 better. Loving the comment
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11/12/2020 16:00:54 3 4
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Do powerful women scare you little boy?
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11/12/2020 18:35:27 0 0
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Free of Boris and his gang soon. tick tock, tick tock
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11/12/2020 12:47:02 156 7
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Perhaps if those incurring a positive test were to be placed immediately on furlough for two weeks, rather than having to forfeit 2 weeks' leave or two weeks' wages, compliance would be higher..
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11/12/2020 12:56:36 26 5
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I know companies are doing that.
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11/12/2020 13:02:53 12 5
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You're in the wrong job. Full sick pay here if positive, and yes I am in the private sector before you ask. Time to look for something else?
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BD
11/12/2020 13:49:34 13 4
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As a long-term freelance who has received no government financial support, why should I, in my tax, pay for your suggested furlough support for those that feel they Must Go on holiday??
Surely they should make the decision to fund themselves for a two-week (now 10 days) isolation rather than expect us to fund it ...
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11/12/2020 17:35:49 1 0
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Correct. A few people I work with had to isolate due to being in close contact with someone who got Covid and they didn't get any sick pay.
It's laughable!
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11/12/2020 18:24:27 2 0
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I'm all in favour of furlough when it's that or bust for companies, but it's a bit of a stretch to ask tax payers to fund people's time off through personal choice.
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11/12/2020 12:47:13 0 3
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Where on earth are all the previous comments?
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:51:48 1 1
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down there ??
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Don't suppose anybody can give me the figures of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid and not WITH it can they? No because they don't exist. Removed
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11/12/2020 12:47:13 4 1
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You misunderstand how deaths are reported. Doctors will never say someone died OF Cancer. They will say that someone died WITH Cancer. Why would they do something different just to please deniers?
Completely unnecessary. My god the gullible lot in this world need to give their head a wobble believing this minor flu is so deadly. Hands up who isn't having a vaccine. The human race has survived this far without needing a bogus injection for Covid. I think i will take my chances ta. Maybe if i take a knee for it, blame Farage or Trump or Brexit then it will go away. Wa(o)ke up people. Removed
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11/12/2020 12:47:52 1 1
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And here are the stats for the country of origin of that fairy tale :-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Is anyone still bothering with all this nonsense? Removed
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11/12/2020 12:48:04 1 3
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Yes, mainstream media unfortunately.
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11/12/2020 12:36:03 6 13
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Week 38 since the lockdown:

Boris should be focusing on vaccines not shortening the quarantine

Boris should have made sure our regulator was working with the Oxford/Astrazenica team from the outset ... since March ... it is the best 'not for profit' team

With better planning we could have been rolling out the vaccine from the Oxford / Astrazenica team by now

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11/12/2020 12:48:06 4 4
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In fairness, Boris SHOULD be doing lots of things
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11/12/2020 12:48:44 2 8
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This will increase the spread of the virus, right when it is on the verge of increasing. A small difference is the difference between growth and no growth in the spread of the virus. Why are they looking at things in isolation?
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11/12/2020 12:40:37 283 24
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What about a requirement for anyone returning from hospital to self isolate?
From the NHS's own statistics you are far less likely to catch it in the pub than hospital
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11/12/2020 12:48:56 123 9
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Actually a good point.
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11/12/2020 13:36:41 14 17
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Not really, you have to go to hospital, you don't have to go to a pub....
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11/12/2020 14:03:20 9 2
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It is indeed a good point. My son-in-law is certain he picked up the virus at an A & E where he had to take his daughter, and before the clever-clogses start commenting, both he and my daughter work in the NHS and don't go to A&E for fun. They don't work in hospitals but in secure mental-health units, btw.
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Ian
11/12/2020 17:30:38 0 2
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Not really all inpatients in hospital are tested while in there.
12/12/2020 22:38:29 0 0
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Actually a good pint
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11/12/2020 12:49:13 3 1
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Its clear still learning about the virus- pity didn't know this few months ago & my son may not have been in quarantine from school for so long

Last time absent pupil sat next to him on twin desk tested positive- he/we didn't get nor did anyone in primary class - makes you wonder 30 in small room

Like the vaccine - great news, but don't know how long immunity lasts- maybe virus will go for good!
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11/12/2020 16:03:34 1 0
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You got lucky (or the kids were asymptomatic - did any extended family members of the rest of the class come down with it?).

Many in similar situations have not been so lucky as to avoid it. Some schools have 60+ cases in London and transmission has been high.
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11/12/2020 12:29:12 23 12
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This is a step in the right direction and supported by the science. For those of us with relatives overseas it’s not been an easy year.
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11/12/2020 12:49:28 6 3
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I would've seen my sister at least 3 times this year, as it is I haven't seen her once and it's now been over a year since I last saw her
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11/12/2020 12:33:58 21 11
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And people blame foreigners, students, for the spread of the virus......
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11/12/2020 12:49:40 0 2
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And you want to blame someone who returned a negative test (the most definite measurethere is)?
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11/12/2020 12:49:41 19 15
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Once I have had the vaccine, I better not be asked to still isolate.

That makes no sense at all.
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11/12/2020 12:53:20 17 5
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If you want sense, move abroad.
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37p
11/12/2020 13:14:07 1 1
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Interesting point. How are the ever changing rules going to change to accommodate vaccinated people?
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11/12/2020 13:10:00 8 5
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Why not? The vaccine wont stop you getting it, or passing it to others. it stops the virus developing so that you need hospital treatment
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11/12/2020 14:08:13 0 0
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At best it seems it will take weeks for it to take effect, and that's after the 2nd doze which is three weeks after the first.

So no super quick fix

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/
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hey bbc what about a lovely hys on barbara windsor and all the massive amount of contribution to uk tv over the years be nice to hear stories from people that met her ,but no that's far to nice isn't it ,we need to keep the doom and gloom up misery gets clicks hey

r.i.p and thankyou for all the laughs ,what a crush i had on you as a kid x much love the windsor family x
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11/12/2020 12:50:49 13 2
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For goodness sake, Keir Starmer, please, step in and remove the Welsh blundering fool. Today’s update is mindless, hesitant, obviously wrong, and will lead to many deaths. We must have someone else’s view on this, we need help in Wales because it isn’t working.
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11/12/2020 13:07:37 0 3
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How to us not like a comment asking for help? How much more mindless lack of support is there’s to put up with.......
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11/12/2020 17:35:39 1 0
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He can’t. That’s up to the Welsh people who elect the Welsh Assembly.
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11/12/2020 12:40:08 158 32
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As usual the point is missed

The problem is the not the country you are visiting (where you are unlikely to start cuddling the residents if you're a tourist) but the airports you are travelling through

Enclosed, air conditioned spaces with 10,000's of strangers from all over the world hanging around for 2-3 hours breathing out viral particles

You couldn't invent a better place to catch C19
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11/12/2020 12:51:21 20 13
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Yeah you missed the point as well. There aren't 10,000's of people in airports anymore, it's like 10's
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:57:36 13 5
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Check the stats for Heathrow passenger numbers
i just love the new woke normal ,diversity street taking a knee near you soon ......
maybe you'll be required to take a knee before a test :)

covid lives matter
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11/12/2020 12:51:34 0 3
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I know, those silly people suggesting racism is a bad thing.
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11/12/2020 12:47:13 0 3
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Where on earth are all the previous comments?
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Bob
11/12/2020 12:51:48 1 1
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down there ??
??
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11/12/2020 12:51:56 8 5
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That's funny, my doctor refused to give me a cortisone injection two days out of isolation as there was a risk I still had virus in me.
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11/12/2020 12:54:39 16 8
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Your doctor is a coward, like most doctors have proven to be.
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11/12/2020 12:57:47 3 3
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Change doctors then
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11/12/2020 12:59:20 9 4
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I work in pharmacy and we have been open and operating normally throughout the whole of 2020, all local doctors surgeries closed down and many are still not open. They also tell people that they cant see them for ear/eye problems or blood pressure checks as the risk is too great so they send them to us instead! Pharmacy has been royaly screwed by the goverment during this.
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11/12/2020 12:51:58 65 15
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I wonder if all you lot who are horrified at this change are planning on having family round at Christmas. There's a big wiff of hypocrisy on HYS this morning.
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11/12/2020 14:08:32 45 13
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The five days of mingling festivity is sanctioned by the Government.

They must have had some assurances from Covid that it would take Christmas off otherwise this would be another stupid Gov decision which would lead to increased deaths.
11/12/2020 20:01:07 0 0
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That might be the French?
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11/12/2020 12:51:59 1 3
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I am not sure how firmly are our scientist against the government's propagandas?
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11/12/2020 12:45:23 6 6
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From 14 to 10 days?....

Ah yes....the Establishment need their winter holidays abroad.....
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11/12/2020 12:52:00 4 4
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Travel is why UK/Europe have had some cases and deaths - those who have done well have controlled their borders......more movement/mixing more spread - quite simple....
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11/12/2020 12:52:02 13 17
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Yeah. Still not interested.

Not for me thanks. I’m self employed.

They have already smashed my business and not compensated me.

Not been cooperating now for 6 months
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11/12/2020 12:58:45 6 1
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Exactly I feel your pain
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11/12/2020 13:00:28 2 8
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Give it a rest. You're as bad as students who whined about not getting the exam grade they wanted for the exam they didn't take. How you think you are entitled to compensation for work that isn't guaranteed is laughable. Get a full time contracted job with guarantees on paper, then you have a case. Otherwise, move along. Besides, the VIRUS "smashed" your business. The Government didn't.
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11/12/2020 12:57:42 5 1
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You have my genuine sympathy. Totally understand why you feel that way, especially when you see the way in which some in the public eye have flipped the bird.
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11/12/2020 12:44:14 6 7
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Who is listening any more?
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11/12/2020 12:56:36 4 11
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Clearly not you hope your pleased with yourself
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37p
11/12/2020 13:11:33 1 1
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Somebody say something? I wasn't listening and heard a vague murmuring
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11/12/2020 12:45:26 2 10
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"Self-isolation for contacts of people with confirmed coronavirus will be shortened from 14 to 10 days across the UK from Monday."

Which mathematically means covid infections will rise by 28.922%.
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11/12/2020 12:56:43 5 1
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That's some very linear thinking you have going on there.

"People are most infectious around the time they first develop symptoms and by day 10, only about 2% will still be capable of passing on the virus to others."
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11/12/2020 12:59:01 3 2
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No it doesn’t.
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11/12/2020 12:21:42 712 56
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Manchester now has half the R rate of London. No mass testing has been given to us. We’re in tier 3, have been in harsh lockdown conditions for months.... meanwhile London is in tier 2, has had lesser restrictions throughout and is now getting mass testing to help avoid tier 3. Can’t help but think it’s one rule for them and another for us.
Discuss!
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11/12/2020 12:52:33 9 17
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Please, level the Welsh, we need your lockdowns, it saves lives. Please step in now.
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11/12/2020 13:26:03 5 5
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It would be far worse for Wales. Manchester has a booming tech sector and has become an international hub for young professionals and creative media.

The Welsh economy relies on visiting ramblers, caravan parks and souvenir fudge. You kind of lack Manchester's ability to still economically function in the face of a lockdown.
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11/12/2020 12:52:51 93 14
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If you are a patient at either of my local hospitals then you have a 35% chance of catching the virus. Absolutely shocking. Statistics from NHS England.
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11/12/2020 14:48:14 35 2
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Please post a link? I have googled and can't find any figures remotely like the one you quote, so it would be really helpful to see the source.
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11/12/2020 14:57:02 9 8
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Not true. Estimates are that circa 25% of covid cases in hospital acquired it at the hospital. Seeing as that is low double digits in a large hospital it means almost all patients don't get it.
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MEL
11/12/2020 15:36:14 3 2
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Fake news!
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11/12/2020 15:48:18 4 5
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Hospitals are where the sick people go.
Who'd of thought that you would be more at risk in a Hospital.

Quick call the DM - I'm sure it'll be a block buster headline.
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11/12/2020 16:34:31 9 0
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Thanks for the google suggestion. If you mean this
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ongoing-problem-of-hospital-acquired-infections-across-the-uk/
then you seem to be completely misunderstanding the figures. Tipsy nurse understands it correctly.
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11/12/2020 16:37:21 4 5
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"If you are a patient at either of my local hospitals then you have a 35% chance of catching the virus."

That has been the case with MRSA for a long time. NHS hospitals are filthy disgusting places.
12/12/2020 22:41:52 0 0
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what's the percentage fpr dying of it? ,,,,,,
Is anyone still bothering with all this nonsense? Removed
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11/12/2020 12:52:58 1 1
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Caring about others? Yes people are still bothering.
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11/12/2020 12:53:05 7 7
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Changing the rules is part of the reason we're in this mess.
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11/12/2020 12:56:41 8 6
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Actually not following the rules, whatever they may be, is the reason. If the science at the time suggested 14 days, people should have isolated for 14 day. Now all the science points to 10 days. So people need to isolate for 10. Science and rules change because this is a brand new situation, that isn’t the problem. People not following the rules to begin with causes the mess
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11/12/2020 12:57:29 2 5
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When circumstances and knowledge changes then rules change - It's why we are all no longer wearing nappies and sleeping in cots - though with the intelligence of some on here, there may be a doubt about that
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11/12/2020 13:02:13 1 1
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Not following the guidelines is keeping us in this state
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11/12/2020 12:49:41 19 15
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Once I have had the vaccine, I better not be asked to still isolate.

That makes no sense at all.
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11/12/2020 12:53:20 17 5
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If you want sense, move abroad.
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11/12/2020 13:06:46 4 2
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To the EU ? Yes please.
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11/12/2020 12:35:50 8 7
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Wrong ,Online shopping has gone through the roof even with supermarket shopping so they must be trying to avoid the virus.
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11/12/2020 12:53:26 1 1
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more likely they realised they can buy the same crap online and have it delivered along with a takeaway, than pay for parking and not even enjoy a coffee, pint or cafe meal!
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11/12/2020 12:53:57 307 15
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So big rises in cases up north - Tier 3 is implemented.

Big rises in London, testing in schools is "advised but not mandatory", still the same Tier and the next day the quarantine is reduced to 10 days.

Got it. Definitely no preferential treatment for our capital.
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11/12/2020 13:12:03 175 7
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London needs its own rules as to all intents and purposes it is another country
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11/12/2020 13:14:51 6 2
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Same as Edinburgh vs Glasgow - had the stats for Tier 2 weeks ago, but I'll bet they both leave Tier3 together.
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11/12/2020 13:34:44 23 13
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A lot of the North voted for the Tories, knowing full well what they are like with their treatment of the North versus the South.
You got what they wanted - so enjoy it and stop moaning about something you made happen.
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11/12/2020 13:39:24 1 2
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Precisely
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BZ
11/12/2020 13:54:03 5 19
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You said it, its our capital so is a more important place than anywhere else
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11/12/2020 14:06:44 0 1
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Nor should there be!
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11/12/2020 15:00:15 7 1
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I couldn't believe they are waiting until the 16th before they fully review London, shocking!
Stu
11/12/2020 19:33:58 2 0
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The government will probably do everything it possibly can to avoid London going into Tier 3. Politically it looks bad on their policies if London moves up a Tier only 2 weeks after the 2nd lockdown.
12/12/2020 00:15:05 1 0
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In fairness London brings in a huge bulk of GDP.
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11/12/2020 12:54:15 99 7
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Lets have some explanation about the reason for keeping Lahdon in Tier 2 and then complaining that the numbers of Covid infections is going UP - whilst every other part of the country in Tier 3 is going down!!
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11/12/2020 13:04:16 54 13
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This government doesn't have to explain - or so it believes. A lack of crystal clear explanation and justification has been lacking throughout
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11/12/2020 13:11:47 4 2
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... because they announced (stupidly) that they would not make changes to tiers until Dec 16.
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11/12/2020 14:08:41 2 1
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Cos we're worth it!!
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11/12/2020 16:39:36 3 1
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"Lets have some explanation about the reason for keeping Lahdon in Tier 2"

Don't worry, they will be in tier 1 soon enough. The reason is to do with hospital occupancy, not just infection levels.
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11/12/2020 12:51:56 8 5
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That's funny, my doctor refused to give me a cortisone injection two days out of isolation as there was a risk I still had virus in me.
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11/12/2020 12:54:39 16 8
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Your doctor is a coward, like most doctors have proven to be.
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11/12/2020 13:18:08 4 1
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My GP practice have said that they will not be going back to in person appointments even after the pandemic is controlled and phone appointments will be standard in future. I'll be interested to look at their accounts for this year, and see if their surplus has grown or shrunk.
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11/12/2020 12:35:16 62 12
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14 days was too much. Too big an ask, especially if you're feeling absolutely fine.

And this "self isolate if you arrive in England from X after 04:00 on Sunday" (while you can enter Wales from X without isolating) nonsense should never have happened. We needed UK-wide quarantine for arrivals and closed the border entirely to non-citizens or residents, or those with a specially approved need.
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11/12/2020 12:54:43 55 1
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I don't imagine there'll be too many flights from Barbados to
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
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11/12/2020 13:01:49 15 4
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And New Zealand won't be letting any of us visit Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu any time soon.

Yes, I can cut and paste too.
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11/12/2020 15:55:15 2 0
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You'd be surprised! The Welsh Development Agency in conjunction with the EU Regional Fund spend billions on a new airport in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
I think on these forums the BBC lets through 100% of remainer type comments

and only 50% leaver type of comments the disappear into the either never to be seen again .

this happens to my post often even though they are on thread

could just be leaver type comments are blocked first 200 or so

that it appears the remain comments are the most popular

because they are always the first 50
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11/12/2020 12:58:11 8 2
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I have a simpler explanation. Only 50% of the population still believe in Unicorns.
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11/12/2020 13:01:49 2 4
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Strangest thing to happen today. Had to take the cat to the vet this morning because she came in with a cut paw. £80, but no issues with getting him seen to, and no vets hiding under the table.
Compare that to our GP. I think he is frightened of answering the phone in case the virus transmits down the line.
I have stopped taking this virus seriously now. The fear junkies have made me this way.
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11/12/2020 13:02:37 3 1
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Paranoid?
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11/12/2020 13:05:55 2 1
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Or maybe some folk are too dim to press the refresh button ?

F5 on a Windows PC.

Mind you, I bet you use a ZX Spectrum still.
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11/12/2020 12:57:22 1 1
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There is no science to this anymore at all. none. its fear and politics.