Covid: Trials to test combination of Oxford and Sputnik vaccines
11/12/2020 | news | health | 495
The aim is to see whether mixing two vaccines could improve protection against Covid-19.
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11/12/2020 11:50:43 46 5
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Awaits the anti-vaxxer morons.......
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11/12/2020 12:11:49 40 3
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They are just getting off their David Icke podcast
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Bob
11/12/2020 14:51:56 4 13
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I’m not anti vax but I won’t take this, why would I? I have a tiny chance of catching it, even smaller of getting sick, and a vaccine doesn’t stop transmission so why would I?
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11/12/2020 20:35:09 2 5
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Putin’s media machine such as Russia Today has spewed out anti-vax lies for years and now the little poisoner wants our help.
Let him stew in his anti-covid bunker.
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11/12/2020 11:56:10 84 10
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So long as it stop's Covid - mix as many together as you like. I just want to see my Mum indoors. Jab me up baby!
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Dee
11/12/2020 13:54:42 17 33
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I don't think either of these vaccines, nor the ones available, will stop you spreading it. You just won't be as ill if you catch it. Either way, great to see scientists team up to beat this thing.
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11/12/2020 19:54:27 2 1
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Love your " Jab me up, baby.."
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11/12/2020 11:57:42 5 19
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Given no one has seen the make up of the Russian jab a cynic could conclude this is a good way of the getting and copying the British version. Perhaps their hacking is starting to slip
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11/12/2020 12:04:56 15 1
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They produced before us, tested earlier, got results and started using it before us.....please put your destructive politics to one side.
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11/12/2020 12:11:00 6 1
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You have no information on this.
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11/12/2020 11:59:08 285 9
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It's refreshing that the scientists from both countries are above the political rhetoric (and media coverage). I wish them well with their research.
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11/12/2020 12:03:35 125 9
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Dead right......politics and history ( re the revolution and overthrow of their Royal Family) has held back cooperation between Russia and the West for too long. Without them we might all be speaking a different language now. Let’s work with them and put politics and profit to one side.
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11/12/2020 13:17:23 17 6
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Yes, if only countries were run by scientists and not by politicians.
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11/12/2020 17:38:24 0 3
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They should call the news vaccine Stench... with another disclaimer that you can’t sue the pharm or government
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11/12/2020 18:20:51 3 0
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You think so?
Sorry to say I wouldn't trust anything to be above politics in Russia.
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11/12/2020 19:09:48 2 1
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But naive I think. Most workers in the NHS consider themselves socialist even though than earn a great whack.

Is it great but I don’t just academics. Most of them are full of &hi&
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11/12/2020 19:16:41 0 0
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yes...I am sure they are that..
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11/12/2020 19:22:49 4 2
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I am very keen to accept a one covid-19 vaccine approved by UK and gold standard US/EU drugs approval bodies.

However I would join others not wanting any vaccine particularly any ,ix-and-match vaccine predicated on trial data and manufacture in Russia, due to Russian government's proven practise and attitude to truth under its President Putin. Sorry never.

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12/12/2020 07:50:06 1 0
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How wonderful that the West in now collaborating with the East for the benefit of all humankind. Merry Christmas!
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12/12/2020 21:42:40 0 0
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Worth remembering that the USA and Russia have been co-operating for some years with the space station - US astronauts travelling on Russian rockets to get there and back, since the demise of the shuttle. Co-operation can be done, and in the long term creates trust.
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11/12/2020 12:01:31 5 19
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The Russian one is bound to be similar to the Oxford one - that's what you get when you go hacking. On principle we shouldn't do this with Russia, has everyone forgotten the total disregard for life at Salisbury, the continuous state sponsored hacking, the air incursions testing our defences? If Oxford isn't confident we can use the Pfizer one. I don't fancy a Russian influenced vaccine.
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11/12/2020 12:05:54 14 3
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Proof of hacking??- Me thinks the good old British xenophobia is manifesting itself here.
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11/12/2020 12:10:16 4 2
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You don't have any information to support this. International co-operation is to be supported. Stop with the silo mentality.
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11/12/2020 12:21:02 1 1
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So we shouldn't at least see if we can get a better result by combining vaccines because we don't like their politics?

A phrase involving noses and faces springs to mind.

And yet I presume you are OK with the vaccine from Trumpland?
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11/12/2020 16:37:43 0 0
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Suspicion that you are a leaver?
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11/12/2020 11:57:26 2 3
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Well let’s see........the Russian one is 95% and the Oxford one is between 70-90%. So..........somewhere between 82.% and 92.5%...... maybe it’s not this simple because I admit “I’m not an expert”. But why not just help the Russians produce their vaccine and use that one?
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11/12/2020 12:08:06 6 0
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Because the Oxford vaccine is being mostly being made in the UK, going through the approval process and will only cost $3 to $4 to produce.
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11/12/2020 12:09:14 2 0
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You are not an expert. The safety and efficacy of mixing the different released vaccines is to be established in new trials.
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11/12/2020 12:13:05 7 0
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It is possible that a combination of Two similar vaccines will have an effect "greater than the sum of their parts", which is why they're collaborating on the research.
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11/12/2020 16:23:47 1 0
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The two vaccines together possibly reinforce each other.
We won 't know until after trials, but it seems likely from what we know so far.
Nedds thorough testing first.
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11/12/2020 12:01:04 15 9
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Sputnik V probably is the Oxford one!
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11/12/2020 12:09:46 11 5
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Or maybe the Oxford one is a copy of the Sputnik V. I’d doubt either statements are true. We blamed Japan in the Sixties for copying our motorcycles....now look at them.......we blame China for copying everything....now look at them.....however they got their vaccine the Russian one works and maybe better than Oxford one.
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11/12/2020 12:10:33 3 1
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They could become our biggest export market.....and why not.
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11/12/2020 11:59:08 285 9
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It's refreshing that the scientists from both countries are above the political rhetoric (and media coverage). I wish them well with their research.
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11/12/2020 12:03:35 125 9
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Dead right......politics and history ( re the revolution and overthrow of their Royal Family) has held back cooperation between Russia and the West for too long. Without them we might all be speaking a different language now. Let’s work with them and put politics and profit to one side.
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11/12/2020 13:16:04 11 5
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I have read a few of your comments Chloe and you certainly have a firm grasp of the situation that is apparent between the West and Russia, fair play!
Are you forgetting the Salisbury murder? They won't hand over the culprits for trial -such nice people. Removed
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12/12/2020 16:47:24 0 0
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Nice of you to gloss over the USSR and the domination of Eastern Europe - the over throw of a royal family was committed by Russians themselves and fair play to them - Western democracies should never legitimise Mafia states like Russia and China - it devalues freedom.
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11/12/2020 12:01:31 5 19
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The Russian one is bound to be similar to the Oxford one - that's what you get when you go hacking. On principle we shouldn't do this with Russia, has everyone forgotten the total disregard for life at Salisbury, the continuous state sponsored hacking, the air incursions testing our defences? If Oxford isn't confident we can use the Pfizer one. I don't fancy a Russian influenced vaccine.
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11/12/2020 12:05:54 14 3
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Proof of hacking??- Me thinks the good old British xenophobia is manifesting itself here.
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11/12/2020 12:13:35 4 1
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I agree as we are working with Russia quite a few space related projects
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11/12/2020 13:06:34 0 0
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Read the news and reports if hacks, for "believed to be" read "is"
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11/12/2020 16:39:24 1 0
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And this is even after brexit is done?
Will there be no cure for brexiteers?
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11/12/2020 12:08:00 145 8
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Anglo-Russo co-operation.

Nice to see.
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11/12/2020 14:26:32 55 6
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Tragedies bring the best cooperation between people and countries.
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11/12/2020 14:52:13 2 5
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I suppose being an Oblast is better than being the 51st state.
As Putin seems to be winning so far.
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11/12/2020 18:59:06 3 1
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I'd rather catch COV-19
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11/12/2020 19:17:08 0 2
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Angle Russian Supplying Excellence.
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11/12/2020 19:17:27 0 0
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*o
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12/12/2020 11:28:04 0 0
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Well it's better than the opposite certainly. History suggests caution and scepticism is appropriate.
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11/12/2020 11:57:26 2 3
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Well let’s see........the Russian one is 95% and the Oxford one is between 70-90%. So..........somewhere between 82.% and 92.5%...... maybe it’s not this simple because I admit “I’m not an expert”. But why not just help the Russians produce their vaccine and use that one?
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11/12/2020 12:08:06 6 0
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Because the Oxford vaccine is being mostly being made in the UK, going through the approval process and will only cost $3 to $4 to produce.
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11/12/2020 12:14:34 2 0
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When it’s produced in large quantities....Astra Zeneca have said they intend to produce most of it in India where it can be scaled up.
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11/12/2020 11:57:42 5 19
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Given no one has seen the make up of the Russian jab a cynic could conclude this is a good way of the getting and copying the British version. Perhaps their hacking is starting to slip
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11/12/2020 12:04:56 15 1
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They produced before us, tested earlier, got results and started using it before us.....please put your destructive politics to one side.
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11/12/2020 13:15:49 1 1
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But not published the data or even the ages of those vaccinated, if you concentrate on under 60's you will get better results.
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11/12/2020 16:40:42 0 1
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I was thinking of detective skills, otherwise, same suggestion.
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11/12/2020 11:57:26 2 3
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Well let’s see........the Russian one is 95% and the Oxford one is between 70-90%. So..........somewhere between 82.% and 92.5%...... maybe it’s not this simple because I admit “I’m not an expert”. But why not just help the Russians produce their vaccine and use that one?
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11/12/2020 12:09:14 2 0
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You are not an expert. The safety and efficacy of mixing the different released vaccines is to be established in new trials.
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11/12/2020 12:13:34 0 0
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Sounds like your an expert!
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11/12/2020 12:01:31 5 19
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The Russian one is bound to be similar to the Oxford one - that's what you get when you go hacking. On principle we shouldn't do this with Russia, has everyone forgotten the total disregard for life at Salisbury, the continuous state sponsored hacking, the air incursions testing our defences? If Oxford isn't confident we can use the Pfizer one. I don't fancy a Russian influenced vaccine.
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11/12/2020 12:10:16 4 2
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You don't have any information to support this. International co-operation is to be supported. Stop with the silo mentality.
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11/12/2020 13:07:03 0 0
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I don't have the information but GCHQ does
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11/12/2020 11:57:42 5 19
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Given no one has seen the make up of the Russian jab a cynic could conclude this is a good way of the getting and copying the British version. Perhaps their hacking is starting to slip
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11/12/2020 12:11:00 6 1
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You have no information on this.
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11/12/2020 13:16:13 0 1
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already answered that one!
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11/12/2020 11:50:43 46 5
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Awaits the anti-vaxxer morons.......
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11/12/2020 12:11:49 40 3
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They are just getting off their David Icke podcast
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11/12/2020 11:57:26 2 3
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Well let’s see........the Russian one is 95% and the Oxford one is between 70-90%. So..........somewhere between 82.% and 92.5%...... maybe it’s not this simple because I admit “I’m not an expert”. But why not just help the Russians produce their vaccine and use that one?
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11/12/2020 12:13:05 7 0
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It is possible that a combination of Two similar vaccines will have an effect "greater than the sum of their parts", which is why they're collaborating on the research.
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11/12/2020 12:13:19 47 1
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The efficacy and safety of any mix and match of released vaccines will be established in new trials. Despite our differences, it is a good thing to see political opponents collaborate in this way, just as we have done previously on the space station.
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11/12/2020 12:16:40 32 0
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Science "at the bench" is generally a long way removed from politics.
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11/12/2020 12:05:54 14 3
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Proof of hacking??- Me thinks the good old British xenophobia is manifesting itself here.
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11/12/2020 12:13:35 4 1
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I agree as we are working with Russia quite a few space related projects
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11/12/2020 12:08:00 52 11
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I'm glad that science is above russophobia. I'm fed up with anti-Russian propaganda showing Russian in the same way as Nazis were showing Jews.
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11/12/2020 12:18:41 33 5
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We forget many of the German concentration camps were liberated by Russians.
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11/12/2020 14:34:56 9 7
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Remember Salisbury and Novochok? It wasn’t that long ago.

Or how about their daily airforce flights right up to British air space just to antagonise us?

You’re one of those 70,s lefties spouting nonsense like ‘I’d rather be red than dead’.
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11/12/2020 17:16:15 2 2
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Having lived 2 years in Moscow I found Russians to be mainly a gentle and kind people. Very unlike the stereotype we are fed.
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11/12/2020 20:36:10 5 0
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Never heard of the gulags? Millions slaughtered in them.
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11/12/2020 12:15:38 66 7
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Fascinating article - hope it works out well, glad to see the spirit of good medicine can cross the political divide, so much crap about nationalism across the UK and Europe these days.
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11/12/2020 14:33:07 38 8
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When everybody works together great things happen.
Pity the outgoing US administration were not smart enough to realize this.
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11/12/2020 12:13:19 47 1
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The efficacy and safety of any mix and match of released vaccines will be established in new trials. Despite our differences, it is a good thing to see political opponents collaborate in this way, just as we have done previously on the space station.
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11/12/2020 12:16:40 32 0
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Science "at the bench" is generally a long way removed from politics.
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11/12/2020 12:19:14 5 2
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More than happy to trial Sputnik V vaccine.
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11/12/2020 12:01:04 15 9
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Sputnik V probably is the Oxford one!
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11/12/2020 12:09:46 11 5
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Or maybe the Oxford one is a copy of the Sputnik V. I’d doubt either statements are true. We blamed Japan in the Sixties for copying our motorcycles....now look at them.......we blame China for copying everything....now look at them.....however they got their vaccine the Russian one works and maybe better than Oxford one.
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11/12/2020 15:05:26 0 0
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Lets just find out.
Then we will have something to judge.
And hopefully more still alive to do it.
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11/12/2020 12:20:45 1 0
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The Russian vaccine has been rushed out. Perhaps AZ can help with efficacy. Russia has brilliant scientists but not a good track record in clinical trials.
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11/12/2020 12:01:31 5 19
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The Russian one is bound to be similar to the Oxford one - that's what you get when you go hacking. On principle we shouldn't do this with Russia, has everyone forgotten the total disregard for life at Salisbury, the continuous state sponsored hacking, the air incursions testing our defences? If Oxford isn't confident we can use the Pfizer one. I don't fancy a Russian influenced vaccine.
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11/12/2020 12:21:02 1 1
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So we shouldn't at least see if we can get a better result by combining vaccines because we don't like their politics?

A phrase involving noses and faces springs to mind.

And yet I presume you are OK with the vaccine from Trumpland?
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11/12/2020 13:11:03 0 0
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If you mean Pfizer Biontech then it was developed in Germany and is being made in Belgium. Pfizer just happens to be a US registered company.
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11/12/2020 12:22:00 0 10
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Our universitys should have remained 100% independant from the big Pharma,s

Let them in the door and motivation for money (dangerous haste) enter the equation.
A wise nation will fund its universities with public funding.........Commercial funding lets wonga chasers get on to the scene
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11/12/2020 12:29:51 9 1
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So you'd rather have the vaccines plodding along at university pace, when hundreds are dying every day in the UK...

Me, I'm just pleased that my 85+ year old parents rang me this morning to say they are having their first jabs next week.
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11/12/2020 13:02:23 1 1
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Which would be fine if you could evidence the countries utilising this model that have successfully out performed the Western Pharma companies in research and development over the last 60 years?

It's a problem when you let any political viewpoint overshadow the observed reality of facts.

University's teaming up with Pharma companies isn't ideal but it is better than the method you're suggesting.
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11/12/2020 12:01:04 15 9
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Sputnik V probably is the Oxford one!
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11/12/2020 12:10:33 3 1
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They could become our biggest export market.....and why not.
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11/12/2020 12:22:37 21 13
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International Cross Border Co-operation is good. That is a lesson for all Anti EU people in the UK.
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11/12/2020 12:32:08 28 11
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Hmm except Russia is not part of the EU, or is this just another attempt to conflate every issue with brexit ?
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11/12/2020 12:43:32 7 5
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Tom unless I missed it somewhere I cant recall Russia ever joining the EU.

Still lets not let facts get in the way of yet another Brexit moan
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11/12/2020 16:53:23 0 0
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How about the anti UK French??
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11/12/2020 12:23:00 58 4
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Thank goodness the scientists have got their feet on the ground. If adopting a simple, no frills approach of mixing 2 "traditional type' vaccines gives us the necessary mass protection with easier storage requirements, at less cost, then let's go for it and leave the politicians and various naysayers out of it.
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11/12/2020 13:37:22 5 13
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Bah, you had to ruin a perfectly sensible comment by including the word naysayers.
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12/12/2020 14:03:19 0 0
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These aren't actually "traditional" vaccines, which use dead/crippled versions of the actual virus (some of those are being developed for Covid-19). Forty years ago (pre-Aids) nobody would have imagined this was possible. There's been a lot of research into how the immune system works and in genetics to make modern vaccines possible.
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12/12/2020 18:54:35 0 0
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They are not traditional type vaccines, they both use RNA spike proteins. Only the Chinese vaccine is traditional in that is just contains some of the virus, as opposed to training our bodies to manufacture the thing it is going to fight.
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11/12/2020 12:09:14 2 0
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You are not an expert. The safety and efficacy of mixing the different released vaccines is to be established in new trials.
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11/12/2020 12:13:34 0 0
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Sounds like your an expert!
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11/12/2020 12:23:43 1 8
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But, why trial Sputnik & AZ vaccines when most of the world is extremely unlikely to have any involvement with Russian vaccine - and, yes I understand they are both developed in same way. Why not trial Pfizer/ AZ, Pfizer/ Moderna and AZ/Moderna?
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11/12/2020 12:31:32 2 0
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The various mix and match combinations will be trialed when the individual vaccines are available, subject to the proposed protocol passing scientific and ethical review.
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11/12/2020 12:40:41 2 0
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Because both the Sputnik & AZ vaccines are cheaper to manufacture and most importantly do not have the same storage and distribution issues that the Pfizer and Moderna genetic vaccines do.
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11/12/2020 13:00:37 2 0
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Maybe a good idea to just leave them to do what they do and stop commenting on things we don't understand
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11/12/2020 13:09:10 0 1
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'Most of the world', I am taking you mean most of the Western World or most of the world that gets away with murder literally because they are in the pockets of the US and Uk govts? Time to start looking at how there can be cooperation with Russia and if this is a start then, it will be a good start. It is high time to put an end to Cold War politics, after this year surely we all recognise that.
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11/12/2020 16:31:50 0 0
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Since these are the only two approved in the world, let's start with them.
Others later.
Covid is not going to disappear soon.
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11/12/2020 12:24:53 71 4
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Good news, if a combined vaccine is more effective then great! Couldn't care less where they come form as long as they pass the trails and regulatory procedure.
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11/12/2020 19:37:33 1 28
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"Matt, change the regulations until they pass them"
"ok, Boris"
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11/12/2020 12:08:06 6 0
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Because the Oxford vaccine is being mostly being made in the UK, going through the approval process and will only cost $3 to $4 to produce.
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11/12/2020 12:14:34 2 0
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When it’s produced in large quantities....Astra Zeneca have said they intend to produce most of it in India where it can be scaled up.
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11/12/2020 12:13:19 47 1
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The efficacy and safety of any mix and match of released vaccines will be established in new trials. Despite our differences, it is a good thing to see political opponents collaborate in this way, just as we have done previously on the space station.
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11/12/2020 12:08:00 52 11
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I'm glad that science is above russophobia. I'm fed up with anti-Russian propaganda showing Russian in the same way as Nazis were showing Jews.
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11/12/2020 12:18:41 33 5
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We forget many of the German concentration camps were liberated by Russians.
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11/12/2020 14:35:17 8 4
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Your right but you also forget how they treated people in Eastern Europe, Berlin and East Germany. Read up about those atrocities.
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Agreed, but look up the Pale.
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The Soviet Union which was a lot larger than Russia. Many were from other
Soviet states such as Ukraine.
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11/12/2020 19:05:12 0 2
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and without the russians fighting on the eastern front, our D day could have turned out different
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11/12/2020 20:40:01 4 0
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And many German women were raped by Russians.
Putin has tried to silence Western historians who have researched the systematic use of rape by the Red Army.
The figures are horrific.
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11/12/2020 22:13:34 2 0
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Was that before or after the Red Army sat on it's hands and allowed the Nazis to crush the Warsaw uprising before resuming it's advance?
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11/12/2020 23:19:55 1 0
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You forget Stalin's secret training grounds for the Luftwaffe & Wehrmacht, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the Russian invasion of Poland, the Katyn Massacre, the pogroms, the gulag, the Kulak genocide...
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11/12/2020 12:22:00 0 10
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Our universitys should have remained 100% independant from the big Pharma,s

Let them in the door and motivation for money (dangerous haste) enter the equation.
A wise nation will fund its universities with public funding.........Commercial funding lets wonga chasers get on to the scene
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11/12/2020 12:29:51 9 1
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So you'd rather have the vaccines plodding along at university pace, when hundreds are dying every day in the UK...

Me, I'm just pleased that my 85+ year old parents rang me this morning to say they are having their first jabs next week.
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I would like to think/hope that a wise government would give public funding to ENSURE that the nation had/has enough public servants trying their best,their best being better than ANYTHING the commercial wonga chasers will ever manage.
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11/12/2020 12:23:43 1 8
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But, why trial Sputnik & AZ vaccines when most of the world is extremely unlikely to have any involvement with Russian vaccine - and, yes I understand they are both developed in same way. Why not trial Pfizer/ AZ, Pfizer/ Moderna and AZ/Moderna?
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11/12/2020 12:31:32 2 0
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The various mix and match combinations will be trialed when the individual vaccines are available, subject to the proposed protocol passing scientific and ethical review.
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11/12/2020 12:22:37 21 13
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International Cross Border Co-operation is good. That is a lesson for all Anti EU people in the UK.
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11/12/2020 12:32:08 28 11
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Hmm except Russia is not part of the EU, or is this just another attempt to conflate every issue with brexit ?
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Marvellous. How do I volunteer?
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11/12/2020 15:07:24 4 1
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I am still on the volunteer list, though not needed so far.
The offer still there.
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11/12/2020 12:23:43 1 8
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But, why trial Sputnik & AZ vaccines when most of the world is extremely unlikely to have any involvement with Russian vaccine - and, yes I understand they are both developed in same way. Why not trial Pfizer/ AZ, Pfizer/ Moderna and AZ/Moderna?
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11/12/2020 12:40:41 2 0
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Because both the Sputnik & AZ vaccines are cheaper to manufacture and most importantly do not have the same storage and distribution issues that the Pfizer and Moderna genetic vaccines do.
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So you'd rather have the vaccines plodding along at university pace, when hundreds are dying every day in the UK...

Me, I'm just pleased that my 85+ year old parents rang me this morning to say they are having their first jabs next week.
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11/12/2020 12:42:03 0 1
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I would like to think/hope that a wise government would give public funding to ENSURE that the nation had/has enough public servants trying their best,their best being better than ANYTHING the commercial wonga chasers will ever manage.
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I would like to think we had a wise government, but.....
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11/12/2020 12:22:37 21 13
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International Cross Border Co-operation is good. That is a lesson for all Anti EU people in the UK.
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11/12/2020 12:43:32 7 5
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Tom unless I missed it somewhere I cant recall Russia ever joining the EU.

Still lets not let facts get in the way of yet another Brexit moan
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11/12/2020 13:51:01 7 5
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If you weren't so blinkered yourself, you might realise that if cooperating with Russia is a good thing, then cooperating with Europe might be too.
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11/12/2020 12:52:03 15 2
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Brilliant News the sooner the better
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Hopefully, it will prove effective.
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11/12/2020 12:57:11 45 9
bbc
So now the BBC is recognising that the Sputnik vaccine does work? That's a change of tune from when it was first announced!
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qq
11/12/2020 13:18:21 6 0
bbc
When Sputnik V originally announced in August, no supporting data was available to determine its efficacy or safety. It is OK to change your mind should new evidence appear.
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11/12/2020 14:31:14 6 6
bbc
So you believe everything the BBC writes? If so, you’re not particularly bright.

They have their own left wing agenda. Promoting BAME: Transgender: BLM and other trendy stuff.
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11/12/2020 14:55:17 1 2
bbc
When it was first announced, no inflrmation about it, or its approval staus had been announced.
But hats off to Russian scientists.
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11/12/2020 12:59:19 59 7
bbc
If scientist can bridge political differences so easily, then why can't politicians? - eg 'No Deal' Brexit

Hats of to these scientists. Common sense prevails (well they are scientists, so probably much more intelligent than politicians anyway)
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11/12/2020 14:17:21 45 4
bbc
How much nicer the world would be without politicians working so hard to divide us.
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11/12/2020 17:53:29 2 1
bbc
Scientists work with facts. Politicians with agendas and theories two are unfortunately completely different. Plus the fact that a cold science based approach to government could easily lead to atrocities
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11/12/2020 12:23:43 1 8
bbc
But, why trial Sputnik & AZ vaccines when most of the world is extremely unlikely to have any involvement with Russian vaccine - and, yes I understand they are both developed in same way. Why not trial Pfizer/ AZ, Pfizer/ Moderna and AZ/Moderna?
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11/12/2020 13:00:37 2 0
bbc
Maybe a good idea to just leave them to do what they do and stop commenting on things we don't understand
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11/12/2020 12:22:00 0 10
bbc
Our universitys should have remained 100% independant from the big Pharma,s

Let them in the door and motivation for money (dangerous haste) enter the equation.
A wise nation will fund its universities with public funding.........Commercial funding lets wonga chasers get on to the scene
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11/12/2020 13:02:23 1 1
bbc
Which would be fine if you could evidence the countries utilising this model that have successfully out performed the Western Pharma companies in research and development over the last 60 years?

It's a problem when you let any political viewpoint overshadow the observed reality of facts.

University's teaming up with Pharma companies isn't ideal but it is better than the method you're suggesting.
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11/12/2020 13:50:58 0 1
bbc
Tosh fed out by the wonga chasing big pharma,s propoganda section.

In addition..............The big Pharma,s make the public pay ludicrous prices.
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11/12/2020 12:05:54 14 3
bbc
Proof of hacking??- Me thinks the good old British xenophobia is manifesting itself here.
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11/12/2020 13:06:34 0 0
bbc
Read the news and reports if hacks, for "believed to be" read "is"
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11/12/2020 13:06:38 3 1
bbc
For all those conspiracy theorists and doubters of how the Russians produced there vaccine please read this https://www.wired.co.uk/article/russia-covid-vaccine-sputnik-v
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11/12/2020 13:10:34 13 1
bbc
Like Conspiracy theorist are going to read something.
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11/12/2020 12:10:16 4 2
bbc
You don't have any information to support this. International co-operation is to be supported. Stop with the silo mentality.
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11/12/2020 13:07:03 0 0
bbc
I don't have the information but GCHQ does
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11/12/2020 13:14:20 0 0
bbc
How do you know that? Actually don't answer that, and please grow up, this is not the USSR we are talking about, this is a country that is vastly different from those days
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11/12/2020 13:07:52 3 10
bbc
So we've been indoctrinated not to trust Russia now they want us to trust their vaccination in our bodies. I'm no anti-vaxxer but this is a step too far.
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11/12/2020 14:52:41 1 0
bbc
Interestingly enough, the Sputnik vaccine is the one being used to vaccinate in UAE where a British friend works - as a teacher, she already had both doses without a single hitch or side effect. How efficient or long lasting remains to be seen of course but no adverse effect for her...
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11/12/2020 12:23:43 1 8
bbc
But, why trial Sputnik & AZ vaccines when most of the world is extremely unlikely to have any involvement with Russian vaccine - and, yes I understand they are both developed in same way. Why not trial Pfizer/ AZ, Pfizer/ Moderna and AZ/Moderna?
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11/12/2020 13:09:10 0 1
bbc
'Most of the world', I am taking you mean most of the Western World or most of the world that gets away with murder literally because they are in the pockets of the US and Uk govts? Time to start looking at how there can be cooperation with Russia and if this is a start then, it will be a good start. It is high time to put an end to Cold War politics, after this year surely we all recognise that.
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11/12/2020 13:10:04 6 1
bbc
This is the Oxford Vaccine the Russians claimed turned people into chimps?

In reality they're both highly similar: both modified adenovirus vectors NOT (BBC...) "because they both contain genetic material from the Sars-CoV-2 spike protein". Pretty much every covid vaccine replicates part of the spike. The Pfizer and Modena RNA vaccines both produce spike antigen too.
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11/12/2020 13:33:08 9 2
bbc
I think you missed the point of the proposed trial and of the article.
The vaccines are similar in that they use adenovirus vectors to deliver similar genetic material.
They differ, crucially, in that they do not use the same adenovirus vector. Theoretically this avoids vector immunity, increases genetic material delivery via the second dose and hence increase effectiveness.
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11/12/2020 13:06:38 3 1
bbc
For all those conspiracy theorists and doubters of how the Russians produced there vaccine please read this https://www.wired.co.uk/article/russia-covid-vaccine-sputnik-v
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11/12/2020 13:10:34 13 1
bbc
Like Conspiracy theorist are going to read something.
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11/12/2020 12:21:02 1 1
bbc
So we shouldn't at least see if we can get a better result by combining vaccines because we don't like their politics?

A phrase involving noses and faces springs to mind.

And yet I presume you are OK with the vaccine from Trumpland?
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11/12/2020 13:11:03 0 0
bbc
If you mean Pfizer Biontech then it was developed in Germany and is being made in Belgium. Pfizer just happens to be a US registered company.
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11/12/2020 13:11:10 127 7
bbc
Excellent news. I am glad that scientists are again proving that collaboration works better than working separately

Russia has been offering this for days now.

If we stopped treating anything Russian as being negative and low quality and started collaborating in ways like this both countries would potentially be in a better position to fight the disease.

Like us, they have fantastic scientists.
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11/12/2020 14:29:40 54 4
bbc
Every country has fantastic scientists, it is the governments of certain countries whose views and agendas clash with scientific reality.
If cooperation was prevented by having negative and low quality leaders, there would be no international trade at all.
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11/12/2020 18:20:55 2 3
bbc
>Like us, they have fantastic scientists

So why can't either of us create an effective vaccine?

It'll be like WW2; they'll claim all the credit and denigrate the British contribution as insignificant.
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11/12/2020 19:19:07 3 3
bbc
the official Russian death toll from Chernobyl, is 31

they are hoping to beat that with Covid. 29, possibly 28
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11/12/2020 21:11:09 0 0
bbc
They also have fantastic spies who spy on other scientists . There will be a effective vaccine against covid 19 and it will be a mix of more than one vaccine . Maybe this a sign from heaven for humans to start thinking different .
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11/12/2020 22:06:29 1 1
bbc
Here in Canada the Russophobe CBC. Public broadcaster up to the present time not mentioned this story.
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11/12/2020 13:12:28 7 5
bbc
Make Russia a friend so we can distance from China
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11/12/2020 14:02:54 6 3
bbc
Make Russia and China friends then we don't have to distance from any country.
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11/12/2020 21:05:55 2 1
bbc
Never mind friend. Russia has made it obvious it’s our enemy.
Never heard of Litvinenko, the Skripals, Salisbury, etc, etc, etc?
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11/12/2020 12:20:45 1 0
bbc
The Russian vaccine has been rushed out. Perhaps AZ can help with efficacy. Russia has brilliant scientists but not a good track record in clinical trials.
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11/12/2020 13:12:34 0 0
bbc
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11/12/2020 13:12:49 3 20
bbc
The Russian Sputnik vaccine did not complete its trial and cannot be trusted. ! I can only see disaster looming if the boffins continue to meddle with these novel recombinant vaccines. The Pfizer one has flagged up anaphylaxis issues. They need to revoke the temporary approval of the Pfizer vaccine and the amendment to the Human Medicines Regulations 2012 before a fatality occurs. Festina lente.
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11/12/2020 13:48:45 8 0
bbc
63,000+ fatalities have occurred - try to keep up.
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ss
11/12/2020 13:56:05 0 0
bbc
Surely something that reduces transmission and results in fewer fatalities overall is a good thing? I just don’t get your point unless it’s more people will die if we roll out a fully regulated vaccine?
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11/12/2020 14:01:55 1 2
bbc
Are you on benefits, you have nothing useful to contribute.
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11/12/2020 14:51:52 1 1
bbc
Ar you real. Can not believe what you are coming up with.
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11/12/2020 15:33:20 1 1
bbc
Sorry you have been subjected to such a negative outlook on life. My girlfriend and son are in Moscow. A 90, 92 or 95% success rate is good enough for me. Sometimes we can all try to think too intelligently. I am more than pleased that the UK and Russia are working together and finding common ground. Good luck.
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11/12/2020 13:07:03 0 0
bbc
I don't have the information but GCHQ does
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11/12/2020 13:14:20 0 0
bbc
How do you know that? Actually don't answer that, and please grow up, this is not the USSR we are talking about, this is a country that is vastly different from those days
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11/12/2020 13:14:58 22 0
bbc
I will have one of each and one bourbon one scotch and one beer.
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11/12/2020 15:02:02 9 1
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Don't come to Wales, then.
Or if you do, bring one of each for me.
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11/12/2020 16:53:56 1 0
bbc
Try purple moose Brewery Dark Side of the Moose and a glass of Penderyn - omit the Bourbon
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11/12/2020 19:38:40 1 0
bbc
your bad to the bones .
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11/12/2020 23:24:11 1 0
bbc
I find if you gargle with whisky in the evening it keeps Covid at bay.
As I have still to get Covid I must keep up this technique. ;-)
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11/12/2020 12:04:56 15 1
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They produced before us, tested earlier, got results and started using it before us.....please put your destructive politics to one side.
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11/12/2020 13:15:49 1 1
bbc
But not published the data or even the ages of those vaccinated, if you concentrate on under 60's you will get better results.
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11/12/2020 12:03:35 125 9
bbc
Dead right......politics and history ( re the revolution and overthrow of their Royal Family) has held back cooperation between Russia and the West for too long. Without them we might all be speaking a different language now. Let’s work with them and put politics and profit to one side.
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11/12/2020 13:16:04 11 5
bbc
I have read a few of your comments Chloe and you certainly have a firm grasp of the situation that is apparent between the West and Russia, fair play!
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11/12/2020 12:11:00 6 1
bbc
You have no information on this.
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11/12/2020 13:16:13 0 1
bbc
already answered that one!
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11/12/2020 13:16:49 3 19
bbc
I shall not be availing of any of these very risky vaccines. I live in rural Ireland, miles away from any Cov-19 folk, moreover we have managed Public Health far better than UK. If I need to travel I will be avoiding all UK ports and airports, no deal Brexit madness means we ship via Dublin Port and now we have a Danish shipping line from Dunkirk to Rosslare, thus bypassing Dover and the M25!
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11/12/2020 13:36:17 12 0
bbc
Someone in Ireland hates the UK. Shock
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11/12/2020 14:01:06 1 0
bbc
Good for you.....
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11/12/2020 14:14:25 2 0
bbc
yes, please stay there where you are safe. we don't need you here. All good.

And I am sure the next person in the vaccine queue will be very pleased to see you refuse it
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11/12/2020 15:01:50 0 0
bbc
Thank god for that we can not put up with your righteousness any longer.. please stay awsy from UK PERMANENTLY.
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11/12/2020 15:07:55 2 0
bbc
Please stay off british website if you dislike us so much so much you have to spout off such dribble.
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11/12/2020 15:48:44 1 0
bbc
You’re not Irish. You’re a troll who has access to English language news sites, trying to stir up trouble between neighbours as well as anti-vax sentiment. There are lots of bridges in rural Ireland, but the one you live under isn’t one of them. A real Irish legal bod, which you elsewhere profess to be, wouldn’t use the name of an English fictional one.
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11/12/2020 13:05:36 0 2
bbc
What’s the response going to be from our American cousins?...
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11/12/2020 13:26:57 7 0
bbc
From Mr. Trump probably something like 'banjo fence lobster voice'.

From an adult like Dr. Fauci we can expect a considered view on due course.
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11/12/2020 16:24:24 0 0
bbc
Who cares?
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11/12/2020 13:17:21 0 11
bbc
I presume these people are nuts. Given the small trials and no mid / long term knowledge,,,,mixing two? would only serve as a way for the two vaccines to point fingers at each other if issues occur, or make it near impossible to find root cause
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11/12/2020 13:33:10 12 0
bbc
I presume you are not an immunologist.
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11/12/2020 13:59:58 0 1
bbc
Nothing wrong with a cocktail.
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11/12/2020 16:33:53 0 0
bbc
Your opinion has been noted.
And ignored.
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11/12/2020 11:59:08 285 9
bbc
It's refreshing that the scientists from both countries are above the political rhetoric (and media coverage). I wish them well with their research.
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11/12/2020 13:17:23 17 6
bbc
Yes, if only countries were run by scientists and not by politicians.
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11/12/2020 14:31:01 3 1
bbc
You mean in a technocratic manner? Yes, i believe the government had ambitions, and were being advised to operate in just this manner. I forget his name now, but until recently they had an advisor who's fundamental approach was precisely this...
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Yeh
11/12/2020 14:36:55 5 14
bbc
Atheists and communists. Is that who you really mean?
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Yeh
11/12/2020 14:38:26 9 10
bbc
Chloe, What about atrocities commited in Berlin, Eastern Europe East Germany by the reds.
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11/12/2020 13:19:28 1 11
bbc
Several of my clients have asked me for a legal opinion on these vaccines, they are so worried after the Pfizer problem became public and the compensation is rather nebulous. I gather MHRA is receiving bucket loads of FOI requests daily.
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11/12/2020 13:59:06 3 1
bbc
Please share your legal expertise only with your clients. We're not interested in what you have to share.
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11/12/2020 14:59:50 4 0
bbc
Are your clients old enough to vote yet.
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11/12/2020 16:32:55 1 0
bbc
Afraid we will not be paying for your opulent lifestyle.
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11/12/2020 22:03:29 0 0
bbc
You were a doctor using a different user name now you are a lawyer??? By your own admission you live in ROI so this article does not affect you...therefore your comments are pointless.
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11/12/2020 12:57:11 45 9
bbc
So now the BBC is recognising that the Sputnik vaccine does work? That's a change of tune from when it was first announced!
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11/12/2020 13:20:42 3 4
bbc
Positive news, maybe? As long as collaboration/control is equal & not Russian controlled. While I certainly don't think everything Russian is bad, that's nonsense, I can't help remembering the Salisbury poisonings & the devastation & destruction that caused. As long as it is strictly controlled ...
67
11/12/2020 13:05:36 0 2
bbc
What’s the response going to be from our American cousins?...
73
11/12/2020 13:26:57 7 0
bbc
From Mr. Trump probably something like 'banjo fence lobster voice'.

From an adult like Dr. Fauci we can expect a considered view on due course.
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11/12/2020 13:27:22 0 12
bbc
I read the new publication in the Lancet on the Oxford Astra Zeneca trials. It only reported the interim data, not the complete phase III. They appear to be jumping the gun yet again. They have yet to trial it on the 55+ group and also they would need to provide convincing evidence and proof that it gives immunity for at least a year, that it can prevent viral transmission, if not it is useless.
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11/12/2020 13:33:14 8 0
bbc
useless is a strong word.
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11/12/2020 14:11:52 2 0
bbc
you obviously didn't read it very well if at all. I don't think it's them who is 'jumping the gun'
as for useless...
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11/12/2020 12:57:11 45 9
bbc
So now the BBC is recognising that the Sputnik vaccine does work? That's a change of tune from when it was first announced!
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qq
11/12/2020 13:18:21 6 0
bbc
When Sputnik V originally announced in August, no supporting data was available to determine its efficacy or safety. It is OK to change your mind should new evidence appear.
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11/12/2020 13:32:58 1 9
bbc
Currently there is no definitive evidence and proof that any of these novel recombinant vaccines give long lasting immunity to Sars-cov-2 virus, anything less than a year would not be economically viable. Moreover there is no proof they can prevent viral transmission either. Hence more long term clinical trials are needed, rather than rolling them out and take pot luck at safety and efficacy!
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11/12/2020 13:53:46 7 0
bbc
Wow .. That's some smart talk ... I can't prove I'll live to be 70 either ... If I get to 70, I'll have proved it, but I'm going to top myself just because I'm not there yet !
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11/12/2020 13:57:04 1 0
bbc
You must be a scientist with such views. Please share more of your expertise.
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11/12/2020 16:29:52 1 0
bbc
Of course, the delay could mean another 60,000 or so deaths.
I'll take my chances.
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11/12/2020 13:10:04 6 1
bbc
This is the Oxford Vaccine the Russians claimed turned people into chimps?

In reality they're both highly similar: both modified adenovirus vectors NOT (BBC...) "because they both contain genetic material from the Sars-CoV-2 spike protein". Pretty much every covid vaccine replicates part of the spike. The Pfizer and Modena RNA vaccines both produce spike antigen too.
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11/12/2020 13:33:08 9 2
bbc
I think you missed the point of the proposed trial and of the article.
The vaccines are similar in that they use adenovirus vectors to deliver similar genetic material.
They differ, crucially, in that they do not use the same adenovirus vector. Theoretically this avoids vector immunity, increases genetic material delivery via the second dose and hence increase effectiveness.
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11/12/2020 13:17:21 0 11
bbc
I presume these people are nuts. Given the small trials and no mid / long term knowledge,,,,mixing two? would only serve as a way for the two vaccines to point fingers at each other if issues occur, or make it near impossible to find root cause
78
11/12/2020 13:33:10 12 0
bbc
I presume you are not an immunologist.
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11/12/2020 15:10:38 0 0
bbc
you make my point brilliantly. I presume you need glasses but dont wear them?
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11/12/2020 13:27:22 0 12
bbc
I read the new publication in the Lancet on the Oxford Astra Zeneca trials. It only reported the interim data, not the complete phase III. They appear to be jumping the gun yet again. They have yet to trial it on the 55+ group and also they would need to provide convincing evidence and proof that it gives immunity for at least a year, that it can prevent viral transmission, if not it is useless.
79
11/12/2020 13:33:14 8 0
bbc
useless is a strong word.
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11/12/2020 13:33:16 64 11
bbc
Despite all the western propaganda against Russia, I trust them a lot more than profit driven American pharma giants. As a Brit who's lived 20 years in 3 different Slav countries I can say there's a lot more humanity and sincerity in this part of the world than the western media would like you to believe.
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11/12/2020 13:55:38 20 6
bbc
I agree and the same in the so called communist Asian countries
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11/12/2020 14:35:54 4 1
bbc
Trouble is, those folks aren’t in Government or Power are they?
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11/12/2020 16:48:51 1 0
bbc
Agree as a tourist during the cold I certainly found the locals hospitable and not what was portrayed by the westen media at the time !!!
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11/12/2020 17:38:19 1 2
bbc
Agreed!
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11/12/2020 20:21:26 2 2
bbc
You don’t know Russia. Many Russian men treat their wives as punch bags and their women have to accept it because the police won’t prosecute.
That’s why so many Russian women are desperate to marry Western men.
Just look at the hundreds of websites advertising Russian brides.
Too many Russian men are vodka-fuelled cowardly thugs.
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11/12/2020 13:16:49 3 19
bbc
I shall not be availing of any of these very risky vaccines. I live in rural Ireland, miles away from any Cov-19 folk, moreover we have managed Public Health far better than UK. If I need to travel I will be avoiding all UK ports and airports, no deal Brexit madness means we ship via Dublin Port and now we have a Danish shipping line from Dunkirk to Rosslare, thus bypassing Dover and the M25!
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11/12/2020 13:36:17 12 0
bbc
Someone in Ireland hates the UK. Shock
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11/12/2020 15:49:22 1 0
bbc
Rumple isn’t really Irish. It’s a troll account trying to stir up trouble
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11/12/2020 16:42:31 2 0
bbc
Makes a change from our self-hate.
At least he is not destroying his own country.
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11/12/2020 13:36:45 19 4
bbc
Some great scientists in Russia. Western propaganda is so russophobic.
Number of Noblists that come from our " block" without the brain drain so widely exercised by the West says it all really.
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11/12/2020 15:30:27 5 9
bbc
>Some great scientists in Russia.

Yes, they just built the most deadly hypersonic nuclear missiles that have ever existed.

>Western propaganda is so russophobic.

I agree that the idea that we'll die or even suffer bad health when we get nuked is a wicked, political exaggeration
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11/12/2020 20:48:01 2 0
bbc
Great scientists in Russia? That’s why Russians have won so few Nobel prizes.
The Putin regime tries to steal Western research because it can’t do its own.
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11/12/2020 12:23:00 58 4
bbc
Thank goodness the scientists have got their feet on the ground. If adopting a simple, no frills approach of mixing 2 "traditional type' vaccines gives us the necessary mass protection with easier storage requirements, at less cost, then let's go for it and leave the politicians and various naysayers out of it.
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11/12/2020 13:37:22 5 13
bbc
Bah, you had to ruin a perfectly sensible comment by including the word naysayers.
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11/12/2020 13:40:07 23 2
bbc
It great to see collaboration amongst scientists in the two countries to enhance the effectiveness of what I regard as the generic / mass produced vaccine which will assist in curbing the virus by allowing deployment in the less wealthy nations.
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11/12/2020 13:47:05 25 0
bbc
Its about time, this is a worldwide pandemic not an isolated one, all countries should be working together on this, as its the only way to get it eradicated, and then maybe they can work together on other things as well irrespective of politics
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11/12/2020 13:47:57 8 2
bbc
fascinating stuff. Isn't it refreshing to see how scientists differ from politicians? Smart, open-minded, collaborative, honest, trustworthy and cooperative. reminds me of Bojo.
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11/12/2020 15:08:42 8 1
bbc
Those who can , become useful.
Those who can't, become politicians.
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11/12/2020 13:12:49 3 20
bbc
The Russian Sputnik vaccine did not complete its trial and cannot be trusted. ! I can only see disaster looming if the boffins continue to meddle with these novel recombinant vaccines. The Pfizer one has flagged up anaphylaxis issues. They need to revoke the temporary approval of the Pfizer vaccine and the amendment to the Human Medicines Regulations 2012 before a fatality occurs. Festina lente.
87
11/12/2020 13:48:45 8 0
bbc
63,000+ fatalities have occurred - try to keep up.
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11/12/2020 13:02:23 1 1
bbc
Which would be fine if you could evidence the countries utilising this model that have successfully out performed the Western Pharma companies in research and development over the last 60 years?

It's a problem when you let any political viewpoint overshadow the observed reality of facts.

University's teaming up with Pharma companies isn't ideal but it is better than the method you're suggesting.
88
11/12/2020 13:50:58 0 1
bbc
Tosh fed out by the wonga chasing big pharma,s propoganda section.

In addition..............The big Pharma,s make the public pay ludicrous prices.
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11/12/2020 12:43:32 7 5
bbc
Tom unless I missed it somewhere I cant recall Russia ever joining the EU.

Still lets not let facts get in the way of yet another Brexit moan
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11/12/2020 13:51:01 7 5
bbc
If you weren't so blinkered yourself, you might realise that if cooperating with Russia is a good thing, then cooperating with Europe might be too.
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11/12/2020 14:39:17 3 3
bbc
What has the EU got to do with it. The EU is not Europe, however both the UK and Russia undeniably part of Europe. This has been the problem with the thicko remainers in not knowing the diffrence between a trading block and a continent .
I thought geography was a compulsary subject at school - has this changed?
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11/12/2020 13:51:04 0 0
bbc
Will this mean the Oxford Vaccine may get delayed while these tests are carried out ,because this Vaccine is very important to UK, if we can get this one on board it will really put us in a good position.
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11/12/2020 13:32:58 1 9
bbc
Currently there is no definitive evidence and proof that any of these novel recombinant vaccines give long lasting immunity to Sars-cov-2 virus, anything less than a year would not be economically viable. Moreover there is no proof they can prevent viral transmission either. Hence more long term clinical trials are needed, rather than rolling them out and take pot luck at safety and efficacy!
91
11/12/2020 13:53:46 7 0
bbc
Wow .. That's some smart talk ... I can't prove I'll live to be 70 either ... If I get to 70, I'll have proved it, but I'm going to top myself just because I'm not there yet !
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11/12/2020 13:53:53 11 2
bbc
Collaboration just wonderful. Maybe the EU and UK could learn something from this simple example instead of turning their backs on those that live in the real world.
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11/12/2020 13:59:17 5 8
bbc
I guess it escaped your notice the there are 27 countries already cooperate....
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11/12/2020 11:56:10 84 10
bbc
So long as it stop's Covid - mix as many together as you like. I just want to see my Mum indoors. Jab me up baby!
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Dee
11/12/2020 13:54:42 17 33
bbc
I don't think either of these vaccines, nor the ones available, will stop you spreading it. You just won't be as ill if you catch it. Either way, great to see scientists team up to beat this thing.
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11/12/2020 16:51:12 11 1
bbc
Well the Oxford one has actually shown a reduction in transmission to other people after having the vaccine if you get it. They actually tested for this during the trials, unlike the other vacccines.
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11/12/2020 19:45:52 2 2
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Are you allowed to vote?
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12/12/2020 16:40:04 0 0
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The problem is that immunity following getting the disease or the vaccine doesn't last for very long compared with the vaccines that we normally get. The current estimate is around four months with any of the Covid vaccines developed so far. I know a couple who had Covid in March. When tested in April/May, their immunity level was high but now it's down to less than 20%.
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11/12/2020 13:33:16 64 11
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Despite all the western propaganda against Russia, I trust them a lot more than profit driven American pharma giants. As a Brit who's lived 20 years in 3 different Slav countries I can say there's a lot more humanity and sincerity in this part of the world than the western media would like you to believe.
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11/12/2020 13:55:38 20 6
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I agree and the same in the so called communist Asian countries
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11/12/2020 15:14:57 1 1
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Get away from politics and you meet some great people. Had three wonderful years in Kazakhstan and still have good friends there. Science should be above politics, as should sport!
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11/12/2020 18:26:13 0 1
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>I agree and the same in the so called communist Asian countries

Yes, let's here it for the Chinese Lao Gai and North Korea. Wonderful places!
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11/12/2020 13:55:59 0 4
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The recent Lancet paper on the Oxford Viral vector vaccine (derived from the excrement of a Chimpanzee), claims it is 59% effective against asymptomatic infections. In my opinion, asymptomatic transmission has been under reported by Public Health since the start of the pandemic. The lateral flow tests are as much diagnostic use as ready tea leaves. Even PCR tests have problems in cov-19 testing.
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11/12/2020 14:04:13 3 0
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You're definitely on benefits.
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11/12/2020 14:08:02 3 0
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what????
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11/12/2020 15:11:10 3 0
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Excrement of Chimpanzee? Stop spreading your anti vax nonsense!
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11/12/2020 13:32:58 1 9
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Currently there is no definitive evidence and proof that any of these novel recombinant vaccines give long lasting immunity to Sars-cov-2 virus, anything less than a year would not be economically viable. Moreover there is no proof they can prevent viral transmission either. Hence more long term clinical trials are needed, rather than rolling them out and take pot luck at safety and efficacy!
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11/12/2020 13:57:04 1 0
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You must be a scientist with such views. Please share more of your expertise.
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11/12/2020 13:19:28 1 11
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Several of my clients have asked me for a legal opinion on these vaccines, they are so worried after the Pfizer problem became public and the compensation is rather nebulous. I gather MHRA is receiving bucket loads of FOI requests daily.
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11/12/2020 13:59:06 3 1
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Please share your legal expertise only with your clients. We're not interested in what you have to share.
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11/12/2020 13:59:11 1 2
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So, Dom’s mate, Putin, moves in straight away after the completion of No-deal.
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11/12/2020 13:53:53 11 2
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Collaboration just wonderful. Maybe the EU and UK could learn something from this simple example instead of turning their backs on those that live in the real world.
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11/12/2020 13:59:17 5 8
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I guess it escaped your notice the there are 27 countries already cooperate....
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11/12/2020 14:57:19 0 1
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No, they are conspiring slightly different!
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11/12/2020 15:06:19 4 0
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Uesd to be 28.
Sad.