Brexit: Malcolm Turnbull tells UK 'be careful what you wish for' over EU trade
11/12/2020 | news | politics | 1,894
Malcolm Turnbull tells BBC Question Time his country's arrangement with the EU has "large barriers".
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Ian
11/12/2020 10:09:05 375 74
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Yes, there are a lot of lies spread by Johnson ?? and the Tories ??

There are many quote from these people saying that getting a deal will be the easiest thing in the world.

They are liars.
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11/12/2020 10:12:38 58 215
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Who said that? Name names - direct quotes only, please
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11/12/2020 10:17:24 10 75
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Correction, all politicians are liars especially those on the left. Liebour have had more flip-flops than Gandhi! Even today Kier is still cannot control the Liebour Party.
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11/12/2020 10:28:35 2 9
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Thanks for your little pictures Ian, well done, nice colouring...
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11/12/2020 10:30:35 2 26
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I assume that you are left wing in your political views given your highly intelligent first sentence. All I can say is that given that Labour have been led by someone who refused to address the cancer of anti-semitism in his party and is then replaced by someone who indulges in crass knee bending photo opportunities, Labour have even less credibilty.
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cba
11/12/2020 10:42:41 0 17
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And those quoting brexit is a disaster ,they are liars too
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11/12/2020 11:59:00 0 3
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Sad Remoaner
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11/12/2020 12:03:03 0 3
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You must be a bit thick.
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11/12/2020 12:42:42 0 1
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So Labour always tell the truth?
992
11/12/2020 12:44:15 1 0
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The gang of Johnson has nothing else to do. What is soveriegnty? Just an empty word and a brainwashing propaganda from dictionary of this populist gang!
11/12/2020 13:46:39 0 2
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You have just repeated the biggest lie, they never said that at all, you've take a partial quote from a Guardian article on a BBC interview with Liam Fox and taken the first half of a sentence, removed the words "should be" from in front of "easiest trade deal in history" then missed the last half - "only the politics could stop it" - there, now, Liam Fox was right, EU politics is stopping it
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11/12/2020 10:09:36 546 127
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So....even a centre-right politician like Turnbull thinks No Deal is madness.

What does that tell you, quitters ?
They you're still bitter you lost and rather than work for the benefit of everyone you'd rather cry into your milk. Removed
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11/12/2020 10:10:58 14 37
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He was known as the Chardonnay socialist.
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11/12/2020 10:17:31 15 122
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Hardly 'madness' - he apparently said there were some barriers. We all expect that - nothing new there. You Remoaners really do need to start grasping the basic meanings of words and phrases - anyone would think you'd never been educated
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11/12/2020 10:23:26 65 6
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Where he stands politically doesn’t matter. He is the ex PM of australia who boris has hired to advise him on trade and he is saying beware an Australian style deal...

Boris is about to lead us straight off that cliff edge
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11/12/2020 10:24:52 6 36
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It tells us that people with your attitude are determined to make sure you carry on bleating about it on public forums ad nauseum
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11/12/2020 10:25:56 14 72
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It is sad that even now Remainers still can't accept they lost. Brexit may end up as a colossal act of self harm, however it is an act that was decided by the UK in a referendum.
Maybe if the Remain camp had focused on the positive aspects of staying instead of embarking on Project Fear then none of the thousands of BBC Brexit threads would have ever existed.
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cba
11/12/2020 10:39:40 5 6
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Have you not got the message yet brexiteers won,t be told anything they make up their own minds
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11/12/2020 10:26:21 1 2
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Nothing - too dim.
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11/12/2020 11:10:12 1 5
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What a shame that you still cannot accept it. We were perfectly ok before we joined the EU which in actual fact changed from what it was meant to be over the years to what it is now. Sounds like to are quite happy to have been under their rules and regulations.
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11/12/2020 11:26:11 2 2
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Goodness me. Your decisive language portrays an absent mind and a very negative persona. Why come on here to just provoke emotional response. Get a grip, have a mince pie and relax, unless you are a head civil servant you don’t have any say in what’s going on, so sit back, relax and see what unfolds. You might be surprised when apocalypse doesn’t actually materialise.
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11/12/2020 11:28:13 1 0
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It tells me Malcom is bitter and twisted . He enjoys causing headlines and problems for the nation that considered him unsuitable as a PM.
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11/12/2020 11:48:32 1 1
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Same old, same old. We will be stuffed either way if we all take the negative approach. We need to change our ways and look for the opportunities. Europe has already got a lot of problems, the great divide between north and south. The Balkan states will not be pushed around by France. It is not the sunny uplands anymore than a sovereign UK.
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11/12/2020 10:10:00 337 19
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Why don't we call it a Mongolian style deal, that's a bit closer to home and they trade on the same basis as Australia with the EU........
I would shorten the word Mongolia by four letters.

That sums up No Deal.
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11/12/2020 10:17:50 46 6
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Mongolia is not part of the Commonwealth and does not have the Union Jack as part of its flag. These are the only reasons Australia gets a name-check here. The Gammon and alt-right "patriots" (read xenophoic racists) enjoy references to Empire!
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11/12/2020 10:38:20 18 2
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It's psychology. Australia conjures up images of fantastic weather, beaches and good looking bronzed athletic people.
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11/12/2020 10:59:38 2 1
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Is that Inner Mongolia or Outer Mongolia?
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11/12/2020 12:03:34 1 9
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You need to grow up.
11/12/2020 13:05:20 4 0
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People seem to have no clue about Australia. In economic terms Australia more closely resembles Angola than the UK. Its economy is dominated by primary production, food, coal, minerals. There is, for instance, no car production, no aircraft industry worth mentioning, no big IT companies and so on.
11/12/2020 14:46:06 0 6
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You can call it what you want, as long as we leave and the deal suits us or we leave no deal, I couldn't care, the sector we make our profits from the EU in, financial services from the City, got told by the EU they could carry on trading, there's our cake.
11/12/2020 15:22:48 2 0
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The reason why RW Tories wanted to leave the EU was so that they could have a laissez-faire economy where there is no State provision & no regulation of the "free" market.

It's been tried & failed - masses lived in abject poverty. The rich thrived off the Empire & our world dominance.

We had little competition & forced countries to trade with us on our terms e.g. Opium Wars.
12/12/2020 07:43:34 0 0
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Why not Outer Mongolia!!
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11/12/2020 10:10:24 14 27
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Ah the remoners have started.
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11/12/2020 10:13:11 16 3
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Ah the Brexiters have nothing....... again!??
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11/12/2020 10:33:57 1 0
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Your inability to spell remoaner hints at your ignorance and your willingness to swallow Brexshit just confirms it. The vast majority of Brits did not vote for this Brexshit and we have every right to be pissed off, as it drags all of us down. You quitters indulging your Little England xenophobias should be made to pay reparations.
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11/12/2020 12:19:25 0 0
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As opposed to the EuroSceptics and Brexiteers that have been moaning and undermining our strength and position in the Europe for the last 40 years.
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11/12/2020 10:10:44 117 21
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Get ready for the Brexit mob to claim this ex Prime Minister, who personally negotiated the trade deals, doesn't in fact know what he's talking about?
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11/12/2020 10:18:08 16 32
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He personally negotiated the trade deals and thinks they are bad deals. Perhaps he does not know what he is talking about.
11/12/2020 12:56:35 3 6
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Get ready for the BBC Remoaner mob to hope it all goes wrong so they can say 'I told you so'.
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11/12/2020 10:10:55 15 29
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Should have just left on no deal at the start, made the EU negotiate in good faith.
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11/12/2020 10:10:58 10 17
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The operative word in the BBC headline is 'ex'....
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11/12/2020 10:14:01 11 0
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Why? He was prime minister as recently as 2018.
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11/12/2020 10:17:36 0 1
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Together with the word "could" in paragraph 5 ....
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11/12/2020 10:11:07 329 49
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If you had been mis-sold a personal purchase so blatently, you would demand your money back.
Doesn't the failed "oven ready" promise warrant another general election?
Shouldn't the opposition be tabling a no confidence vote?
Shouldn't a lot of Tory MP's be resigning?
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11/12/2020 10:21:07 133 17
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So many of Boris's sound bites and catch phrases are deliberately ambiguous so he can wriggle out of what folk though were firm commitments.
Each of us may have a different interpretation of "oven ready deal" or "no checks in the Irish Sea"
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11/12/2020 10:22:13 5 27
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"Oven Ready" was the withdrawal deal - how many times?

The government are enacting the result of the referendum; that was endorsed in the GE a year ago today. Why should anyone be resigning?

Another quote on QT last night, was from the Tesco chairman who said shopping costs could go up by 5%. A shopping bill of £80 rising to £84 is hardly the end of the world.
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11/12/2020 10:26:17 18 4
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In your analogy, leave voters would double down and say they weren't mis-sold, and actually wanted it all along. And in fact, will happily pay MORE for it than was originally agreed. They would shout you down as a traitor for trying to convince them they have been conned.
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cba
11/12/2020 10:46:00 2 2
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Doesn t "the brexiterrs don,t stand a chance in this referendum "also count as being lied to
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11/12/2020 10:53:11 2 0
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Your sentiment is correct but solution impossible. MPs are like turkeys - they do not support self-destruction.
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11/12/2020 10:54:58 12 1
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It makes no difference that he lied. We knew he was a liar and people still voted him in. I've still yet to meet a Brexit voter who will admit they were wrong. They're too stubborn. No matter how bad things get, people might eventually turn on Boris, but they will not admit that Brexit was fundamentally undeliverable from the start.
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11/12/2020 11:37:52 0 1
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exactly !
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11/12/2020 11:42:16 1 3
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> If you had been mis-sold a personal purchase so blatently, you would demand your money back.

That's exactly what we were doing when we voted to leave - the "Common Market" that we voted for in the 70s had been bait-and-switched for "Common Market plus all the extra rules of the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties".
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11/12/2020 12:10:14 0 1
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So says a demented loser of a referendum and General election.
Your views are minority views as proven by the above results.
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11/12/2020 12:26:02 1 0
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apparently it was only an oven-ready withdrawal agreement. A lot of people including myself appear to have missed that. Others won't have looked beyond the headline, assuming the politicians would work the details. The topic is was and is too complex to expect the public to sift facts from soundbites.
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11/12/2020 12:44:32 0 0
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No. A laughable comment. We are only at the start of Brexit. The Conservative government has an 80 seat majority and will not be going anywhere before 2024.
11/12/2020 12:57:25 1 0
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Tory MPs have waved this through at every stage, despite it being bad for their constituents and the country. There is no way they are going to vote no confidence because they are the ones who have lied for so long.
11/12/2020 12:58:25 1 0
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Typical politicians, don't say anything that cannot be interpreted several ways. The Brexiteers had a clear line, that we would be better off out, saving lots of money (£350M a week !) and we are now hearing that WTO rules cause 'lots of friction' in terms of services - that would be the financial services that are the cornerstone of our economy.
11/12/2020 13:07:11 1 0
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General election? No thanks. Let the people responsible for this debacle be directly in the firing line when the brexit hits the fan (sorry about the mixed metaphor, it's been a hard day).
11/12/2020 13:15:33 2 0
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To think that any UK Government, let alone a Conservative Government would be seriously considering ruining our economy in this way is simply unbelievable. I have no words.
11/12/2020 14:47:23 0 0
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with 40 years worth of interest on our EU payments, Heath was such a fibber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY_BgnZdwko
12:31 minutes in.
National Archives
AEO(F)(70)5 9th Nov 1970
Treasury Officials Report Heath Kept Secret for 30 years. Britain could end up being less independent than a state in the USA
11/12/2020 17:15:40 0 0
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the problem is john another GE would give the same result. With an 80 seat majority another GE is about as likely as me winning the lottery
12/12/2020 07:51:52 0 0
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The opposition have no idea what to do either, they can’t even make there mind up what time of day it is!
12/12/2020 07:55:30 0 0
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Fake news! The 'oven ready' comment applied to the withdrawal agreement which has been cooked and eaten. Check your facts before commenting!
12/12/2020 09:00:53 0 0
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That would require a degree of honesty in our system.Don't hold your breath.
12/12/2020 13:14:55 0 0
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"Shouldn't a lot of Tory MP's be resigning?"

Maybe you're thinking back to the time when a lot of politicians had honor and integrity.

Long since past.
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11/12/2020 10:11:45 278 30
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Oh dear, is that the sound of another of Boris' lies being flushed down the pan! The much trumpeted "Australian" style deal, shot down in flames, by the Ex-Aussie PM!

Just a bit embarrassing!??
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11/12/2020 11:33:20 35 61
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You do realise, and I write from Melbourne, that Turnbull is traipsing the media in Australia and elsewhere trying to cause as much harm to Australia as possible.
He suffers from irrelevance syndrome because he failed as PM ?
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11/12/2020 12:04:20 2 2
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You must be a bit thick.
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11/12/2020 12:47:01 1 0
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All ousted ex-leaders are bitter.
11/12/2020 14:19:32 2 6
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I presume you never watched questions last night them Slim? What he said was that the deal wasn't very good largely due to EU protectionism. He felt that the UK would prosper and that the Aussies are working on a tarrif free trade deal with UK, something the EU don't have. So when the EU starts to impose taffifs on fresh produce we can tell them to get stuffed and buy it from the Aussies instead!
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11/12/2020 10:11:46 235 49
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Australia and the EU have NO significant trade arrangement!

Johnson only mentions Australia because it was once part of the empire and talk of the empire gives the Gammon and Brexit brigade a nice warm glow inside
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11/12/2020 10:32:59 36 51
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Gammon? Try and do better than this.
11/12/2020 12:49:59 3 2
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You are well named 'Toxic Culture".
12/12/2020 12:07:05 0 0
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Nice warm glow, quite right Priti. Hope you've got your Union flag ready to wave come 1st Jan. Come and join us to celebrate down at 'spoons. What ho!
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11/12/2020 10:11:53 43 10
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"Be careful what you wish for"

Could become the motto of Brexit. Or ultimately its epitaph.
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11/12/2020 10:12:03 132 13
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The good news is that the people people who are negotiating this lack of deal are the people who said it wouldn't happen - can't blame anyone else.
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11/12/2020 12:20:34 21 4
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Don't gloat, weep.
11/12/2020 12:52:42 0 4
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No, they didn't.
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11/12/2020 10:12:03 162 32
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Ah, the 'Somalia deal' aptly shows what the UK's new place in the world will look like.
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11/12/2020 10:16:03 48 116
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Have you ever been to Somalia? Have you any idea of trade deals or any other aspect of Somalian life? If not please post about something you have at least a small degree of knowledge. Childish and uneducated.
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11/12/2020 10:16:17 23 0
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Yes with a Zimbabwe style economy if we’re using calming commonwealth labels for things
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11/12/2020 10:16:25 24 3
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In your dream.
Somalia is a relatively poor nation the EU gives preferential treatment to help the economy.
The UK won't get a Somalia deal.
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11/12/2020 10:17:58 21 1
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The "North Korea" deal may be more apt.
11/12/2020 12:51:54 1 3
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If you think the UK is doomed, emigrate.
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11/12/2020 10:12:06 23 2
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Just tell me what the deal is! Then I can begin to handle whatever is decided.
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11/12/2020 12:06:19 1 2
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There is no deal, that’s the point
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11/12/2020 12:51:06 0 2
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It's no deal so we might as well get used to it. Back to the old days of Buy British.

3 serious problems there though.

We are not self sufficient in food.
Most of our utility suppliers are French.
Our manufacturing capability has been decimated by every govt. since 1979.

Perhaps nobody told you these rather pertinent facts Boris.
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11/12/2020 10:12:08 469 79
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Brexiters have been gaslight - like people scammed out of their savings - they dont want to acknowledge reality that they have been conned by a bunch of charlatans.
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cba
11/12/2020 10:41:02 49 107
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Thats a double edged sword my friend people in glass houses etc
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11/12/2020 10:47:27 13 5
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That is a very good way of putting it.
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11/12/2020 11:53:15 8 27
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I voted to get our sovereignty back as I didn't want to be ruled by a bunch of thieves.The EU has not had it's accounts signed off once in over 10 years with biilions of Euros missing and 3 times they have fired the auditors because they wouldn't sign!
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11/12/2020 12:42:02 8 18
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Remainers don't want to accept the result of a democratic vote.
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Older people are more susceptible to scamming
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11/12/2020 10:10:00 337 19
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Why don't we call it a Mongolian style deal, that's a bit closer to home and they trade on the same basis as Australia with the EU........
I would shorten the word Mongolia by four letters.

That sums up No Deal.
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Are there many Mongols living in the UK do you know, they'd be an expert on No Deal I guess......... Removed
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cba
11/12/2020 10:43:54 2 0
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What does olia mean?
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Gez
11/12/2020 10:12:10 278 20
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‘Australia deal’ simply means ‘no deal’. This government has no respect for people having any intelligence at all! The re-writing of history has already begun, this must be the great outcome they all strived towards…
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11/12/2020 10:39:49 41 10
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Yes well, there's possibly good reason for that as demonstrated in 2016.
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11/12/2020 12:45:17 3 4
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No deal is better than bad deal.
12/12/2020 11:04:23 0 1
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Would you respect people who voted for a party that promised to make them poorer?
12/12/2020 13:20:05 1 1
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"This government has no respect for people having any intelligence at all"

Can you blame them? Look at all the people they were able to dupe in England in '16 and again in '19.

Not once, but twice.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

So why would the government have respect for a majority of English people having any intelligence at all?
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11/12/2020 10:12:25 178 17
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Bizarre how Aus are trying to get a FTA with the EU if WTO terms are so great. It's as if they're not.......
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11/12/2020 10:14:32 43 11
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To be less reliant on China, this is the major driver.
11/12/2020 14:02:29 1 2
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What is even more bizzare is, how come they haven't got one after all these years?
11/12/2020 22:24:52 1 0
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A FTA with the EU yes but not to join the EU.
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11/12/2020 10:12:28 15 11
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Turnbull needs to wake up he's never going to get a deal for Aussie agricultural goods, you just need to understand the CAP and French Framers to know that. Agriculture is the most protected tariffed sector in the EU, its partly why food prices are so high for certain products.
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11/12/2020 10:18:07 4 1
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And partly also why food prices are so low for (most) others.

As we're about to find out...
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11/12/2020 10:18:11 2 0
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Err....you do know Turnbull hasn't actually been PM for quite a while??
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11/12/2020 10:39:29 0 0
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I think he knows that you get the best deal as a member. He didn't seem to like the EU very much, but also thought we were mad to leave. Of course he put it more diplomatically, but that was the gist.
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11/12/2020 10:12:34 1 25
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Aus don't need a trade deal in time they will be consumed by Brussels , there are no limits to the boundary

They are in the eurovision just a matter of time.
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11/12/2020 10:18:14 2 0
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That might have been funny it wasn't so weird
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11/12/2020 10:12:37 635 20
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Why not just be TRUTHFUL and call it what it is NO DEAL because that is what it really is.
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11/12/2020 10:14:34 134 13
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Because being truthful is an alien concept to bungling Bozo and the rest of the Govt
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11/12/2020 10:15:47 26 151
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So what you can't deal with people whose idea of a trade deal is we control you and steal your fish get real you people really are at the bottom of the barrel.
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11/12/2020 10:17:06 100 14
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Because it's what BoZo does. He tells lies, always has and always will.
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11/12/2020 10:24:35 101 13
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"abject failure to deliver what was promised" would be an even better name for it.
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11/12/2020 10:46:59 3 27
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It is called "Leave the European Union" which I believe was one of the options on the referendum ballot paper.

There was no mention of a deal.
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11/12/2020 10:47:23 22 1
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Because if he admitted that then he would be admitting that he has completely failed at statecraft
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11/12/2020 11:10:24 13 1
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because the lying incomptent clown can't, wait for it, stop lying..
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11/12/2020 11:33:34 11 2
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British government can't cope with facing reality. Russia thank you for brexit by the way.
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11/12/2020 11:50:41 9 1
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For Boris's benefit, can you please explain what you mean by truthful.
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11/12/2020 11:52:21 8 1
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Why not to trade with EU? For example you allow French fishermans to fish in British waters and we in EU will allow you to sell British beef in EU without tariffs? Too difficult?
Having previously said "no deal would be a failure of statecraft" Johnson is now repeatedly calling it an "Australia deal". This is very insulting to Australians, associating their country with something he regards as a failure.
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11/12/2020 12:14:35 2 0
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That would be far too honest a statment to make.
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11/12/2020 12:15:23 1 9
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But then the EU isn't trying to run his country and fish in his territorial waters are they? I think it's unlikely that Australia would give up any of its rights to trade with the EU. They send illegals back where they belong too.
11/12/2020 12:51:04 4 0
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The reality is pretty much any deal is better than no deal, it's just pride that gets in the way though of course no deal just means we'll negotiate again as no deal is lose/lose.
11/12/2020 13:26:04 3 1
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Please choose your words with more care, Prime Minister normally says.. "We will leave on Australia Terms which is tantamount and code for No Deal, or WTO deal.
11/12/2020 13:32:51 0 8
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All the Prime Minister is doing is telling the EU we want a proper deal ala Canada - he is right, our Fishermen come first. The Leven Playing field is a joke, it's to make UK follow EU regulations - As for Governance - If we give the ECJ a role, we may as well reverse the 2016 referendum.

The PM is honouring the the result of the 2026 referendum, TM should have had this sorted months ago,
11/12/2020 15:57:34 2 0
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tories and truth ? Ho ho ho.
11/12/2020 19:14:08 0 0
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Why not just be TRUTHFUL

Because we are talking about Boris Johnson?
12/12/2020 07:56:03 4 0
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Telling the truth is against Boris Johnson’s nature. It’s a matter of repeated written record that Boris used to think leaving the EU was a bad idea. Then he realised that promoting Brexit would do wonders for his ambition to be PM.

Pro-Boris dummies need to wake up and realise that personal integrity matters. A man with no integrity in his private life will have no integrity in public life.
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11/12/2020 10:09:05 375 74
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Yes, there are a lot of lies spread by Johnson ?? and the Tories ??

There are many quote from these people saying that getting a deal will be the easiest thing in the world.

They are liars.
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11/12/2020 10:12:38 58 215
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Who said that? Name names - direct quotes only, please
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11/12/2020 10:20:04 74 6
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Liam Fox, Farage, IDS etc. etc.
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Boris Johnson: "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"
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Liam Fox: "The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"
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11/12/2020 10:24:16 78 2
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Lol if you have to ask then you really haven’t been paying attention! Did you even know what you voted for? No, didn’t think so ??
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David Davis said it. Liam Fox said a deal could be done over night.
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"There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal" Boris Johnson.
"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history" Liam Fox
“…the one thing that will not change is our ability to trade freely with Europe.” Micheal Gove
"You can be sure there will be a deal" David Davies

I've got more, but no space...
I wouldn't pull on that thread if I were you...
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11/12/2020 10:45:44 6 0
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^^^ absolute state of this tabloid indoctrinated infant... as if it doesn't already know the 'direct quotes' it's demanding.

Brexit means a united Ireland, an independent Scotland, the Balkansiation of "England" and Wales, the end of the monarchy and the (long overdue) death of the Tory Party.

Suck it up, Norman. You "won".
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11/12/2020 10:46:07 7 0
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‘The free trade agreement with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history’ Fox

and how about

Vote Leave 'We will not leave the single market'
‘There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market’ BoZo
“nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market” Hannan
“Only a madman would actually leave the single market” Paterson
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EU trade deal 'easiest in human history' - Fox
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KB
11/12/2020 10:51:50 2 0
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Liam Fox as international trade secretary said so https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879

But many many others too made similar statements.

Here are some direct quotes and dates, by no means a complete list : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/quick-and-easy-what-leavers-said-about-uk-eu-brexit-trade-deal

Happy to supply more. Just ask!
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It'll take too long!
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Johnson Hannan Davies Gove
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11/12/2020 11:47:00 1 0
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Obvious troll is obvious.
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11/12/2020 11:49:42 1 0
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Liam Fox - "The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history."

Michael Gove - "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want."

I could carry on
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11/12/2020 12:07:30 1 0
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£350m saved for the NHS was written on the side of a big red bus.Is that enough for you. No mention of £billions in border controls, unreliable software and lost business.
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11/12/2020 12:14:29 1 0
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Not enough room on a HYS to list all the examples.
Does it not seem awfully dim wearing bigger and bigger blinkers?
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11/12/2020 12:36:09 2 0
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Brexiters' problem seems to be that they are gullible and have extremely short memories.

https://www.indy100.com/news/brexit-no-deal-quotes-boris-johnson-david-davis-dominic-raab-8463121
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So....even a centre-right politician like Turnbull thinks No Deal is madness.

What does that tell you, quitters ?
They you're still bitter you lost and rather than work for the benefit of everyone you'd rather cry into your milk. Removed
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11/12/2020 10:15:39 95 10
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Work for the benefit of everyone, means to end this Brexit folly and get a deal resembling as much as possible the pre-Brexit arrangements.
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It's not me that needs to grow up.
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11/12/2020 10:24:03 57 6
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It's still a stupid idea - no matter how many Little Englanders voted for it
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11/12/2020 10:26:06 31 4
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Can you explain exactly what those benefit will be? Avoid the term " regain our sovereignty" because it was something that was never lost or taken away; it was only freely shared.
Over to you.
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11/12/2020 10:26:39 23 4
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Just as you have for the past 40 odd years. You taught us well. Like you we won't stop until we're back in. Bet that won't take long!!
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@Phil P

They you're still bitter you lost and rather than work for the benefit of everyone you'd rather cry into your milk.
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Better than being bitter that you won - with a pack of lies - and be the eternal unsatisfied that brexiters are - who keep on crying into their milk even when they win.
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11/12/2020 10:36:36 20 2
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When will Berexiteers see reality. Working as a team in the EU was always going to be better than being a loner. We have no negotiating strength any more. We've capitulated with the US. I think people will start to see what this really means when costs go up and restrictions come into play and we are all a lot poorer. The writing is on the wall for this Government.
The benefit of which 'everyone' though? Other than Hollywood types obsessed with RP accented villainy nobody outside of "England" cared about the "English" before 2016, and now you're an international joke. Why would Scottish, Irish, Welsh and Northern civvies be interested in helping their Norman oppressors in the south? You're half-French so get yourselves a dinghy and go half-way home. Removed
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11/12/2020 10:27:51 17 2
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Do stop trotting out that same old claptrap "you lost " "suck it up losers " and "get over it "
All you do is show yourself up and belittle what is becoming a grave situation.
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11/12/2020 10:46:56 17 1
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Don't be silly! Realism tells us that what the Leavers want for UK cannot be achieved. They want the best of being in the EU without being in. To want to have and not to pay. They want to have their cake and eat it. Just cannot be done.
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"They you're still bitter you lost and rather than work for the benefit of everyone you'd rather cry into your milk."

You've been out of the workforce for years, grandad. You've got no intention of lifting a finger.

The most pampered and catastrophic generation in British history - you had it all and you deliberately destroyed everything your parents fought for
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11/12/2020 10:50:01 5 1
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‘Work for the benefit of everyone’ says the man who still sees Brexit as a question of winners and losers ...
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Well said
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11/12/2020 10:53:16 4 1
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Phil, what are the tangible benefits of no deal? Other than giving you your first non Viagra induced twitcher in 30 years?
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11/12/2020 10:56:57 2 1
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I'm not bitter, I find the whole Brexit thing hilarious.
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11/12/2020 11:08:49 6 1
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This is nothing to do with winning or losing past votes . Such a simplistic binary view is pointlessly irrelevant. Such comments are clearly intended to antagonise and make a negative contribution to the discussion.

The debate is about creating a situation where Britain will prosper in current circumstances. A no deal situation will not lead to prosperity.
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Everything we said has come true mate i will never forgive the narrow monding stupidity Why should I
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11/12/2020 11:23:25 1 1
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You are correct. Own your victory.
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11/12/2020 11:24:17 3 1
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Work for the benefit of everyone, to recover from the damage in about 50 years' time... It sounds like the Animal Farm.
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11/12/2020 11:38:54 2 1
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Change the record. Food prices going up, product prices going up, firms leaving and going bankrupt and you still don't seem to get that you lost. I know plenty of Brexiters who now understand this is bad.
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Ah the remoners have started.
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11/12/2020 10:13:11 16 3
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Ah the Brexiters have nothing....... again!??
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Is that your come back.
11/12/2020 17:41:19 0 0
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We have that we support our country. You have that you support a foreign entity that now openly says they want to stop us being successful.
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11/12/2020 10:13:15 190 27
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The term ‘Australian deal’ is only used to mislead the dim -witted.

It’s No Deal and it is a trading s£!t show.
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All will be well.....don’t worry.
11/12/2020 12:51:01 1 4
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Another Remainer claiming superior intelligence.
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11/12/2020 10:13:28 8 4
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Brexit: Malcolm Turnbull tells UK 'be careful what you wish for' over EU trade
Turnbull said: "Australia has a deal with the EU on WTO terms and there are really some very large barriers to Australian trade with Europe, which we are seeking to address as we negotiate a free trade agreement with Europe

But Australians would not regard our trade relationship with Europe as being a satisfactory one.
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11/12/2020 10:17:38 7 0
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Nonsense, if the Aussies could get into the EU under the trade rules we have at the moment, they'd bite your hand off. The tories are trying to dress up non-deal WTO rules as "Aussie rules" but we should be able to get better. Where is the over-ready "easier deal ever" that Boris promised?
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11/12/2020 10:13:38 244 27
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"Australia has free trade agreements with most if its geographical neighbors and does not do nearly as much trade with the EU as the UK does."
This probably never occurred to the bunch of clowns in charge.
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11/12/2020 10:16:36 27 65
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Why this urge to criticise the governments of other countries?
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11/12/2020 13:23:00 0 0
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Certainly not where Raab's concerned. Geography not really his forte.
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11/12/2020 10:13:56 132 21
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If every county was like the UK, then you would see an unavoidable race to the bottom on regulation - something which always become apparent with nationalism as countries try to be more competitive. Just at a time when there needs to be increasing regulation to save the planet and us...
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11/12/2020 10:23:31 41 33
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Let’s have a World Union (WU) then.

Then the Eu can be redundant and we can ALL get on together. Not just the European ‘elites’.
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11/12/2020 10:28:40 5 1
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Well made point. Thank you.
11/12/2020 12:54:02 2 1
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If every country was like the UK, most of the world's people would be living in a free democracy.
11/12/2020 14:12:49 0 3
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https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/42434/Six+myths+about+the+European+Union

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/eu-workers-rights-capital-multinationals

I know reading the Guardian is hard for rejoiners, not one so far managing to read all of the Liam Fox article re 'easiest trade deal in history' to see what he actually said but try the above link if you can manage it.
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11/12/2020 10:10:58 10 17
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The operative word in the BBC headline is 'ex'....
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11/12/2020 10:14:01 11 0
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Why? He was prime minister as recently as 2018.
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11/12/2020 10:14:09 182 22
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Australia is on the other side of the world to the EU and not having a trade deal is having a negative impact on them

Imagine if the UK were in a similar position. With 40% of our exports at stake we could be looking at economic catastrophe. We were warned of course. But still went ahead with this reckless project.
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The internet has completely flipped world trade on its head.

The Eu are dinosaurs.
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11/12/2020 10:51:47 5 0
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It 60%: 49% direct EU, 11% EU Trade deals other Countries. Biggest Free Trade Are in the World. Fact. Not A Boris fib.
11/12/2020 12:51:20 1 6
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Yawn.
11/12/2020 14:04:13 1 3
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So 60% of our exports aren't to the EU? Hmm, why are we then a member and allowing the EU to hinder our biggest trade sector with rules to protect Spanish and French Farmers for example?
12/12/2020 12:11:39 0 0
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I agree, a straight forward free trade deal between the UK and EU makes perfect sense for both sides. But their political agenda renders the EU incapable of agreeing to this. As Merkel said after the 2016 vote "The UK must be seen to lose".
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When the European Union finally collapses (and thats not a million miles away), all countries will deal independently with whoever they choose to do so.

Each country /state will need to do what is best for them and if they can better their own economy by trading with the UK they will do it.

The countries that stand alone the earliest will fare better
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11/12/2020 10:15:20 6 4
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Pie in the sky...expect nothing less ...
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RM
11/12/2020 10:16:22 2 2
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Silly comment.
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11/12/2020 10:18:17 2 2
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I firmly believe the UK will cease to exist long before the EU, and an independent, stand-alone Scotland will be among those faring better
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11/12/2020 10:19:17 2 1
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You should have heard the expression 'too big to fail'?

Get real, in a worst case scenario all that will happen is the EU will restructure and a few outlying members drop away.
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11/12/2020 10:22:01 1 1
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I believe the EU experiment will be terminated once we've left it. That's the reason the Germans and French want to keep their nasty hooks in us. Without the EU they would have nowhere to dump their nasty 'beamers'.
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11/12/2020 10:22:44 1 1
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Why do so called Brexiteers keep saying that the EU is on the verge of collapse. Perhaps they are trying to justify to their selves on the stupid position they have put us all into. Come on Brexiteers don't be like Trump and admit you got it wrong and you put all of us into the mire.
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11/12/2020 10:14:26 231 15
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I wish our government would stop being deceitful. "Australia-style deal", like "WTO deal" before it, means "no deal" or, more accurately, "a failure to negotiate a deal". However, they know this is unpopular, so they try to couch it in more palatable language in an attempt to deceive the public.

No Deal is an abject failure by both sides. I would have more respect for them if they admitted it.
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No it's not! It's a failure on the UK side.
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11/12/2020 10:33:05 6 3
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To be fair - both sides have been open in saying that a deal is the desired outcome.

But this isn't the end of the world. The problem is that all efforts have been put into a single all-encompassing deal - and things don't necessarily work like that.

I expect a plethora of 'mini deals' to be agreed next year covering specific trade. Such deals will be in both sides' interest.
11/12/2020 12:47:53 1 2
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On the contrary. you would simply be complaining about something else.
11/12/2020 14:22:48 2 2
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Dr Mouse, why don't you get real please? The main reason that no deal is looming large is because all of the time lost whilst remainers tried to thwart the results of the referendum. We lost 3 valuable years wasted in legal mire through enemies of the UK conspiring together in Parlaiment and the courts using any means necessary to block, but guess what, YOU LOST and in doing so created NO DEAL!!
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Why not just be TRUTHFUL and call it what it is NO DEAL because that is what it really is.
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Good news if your a disaster capitalist. Bad news for everyone else.
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It tells me he hasn’t forgotten his banking roots or Buddies
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"He is a pathological narcissist"

He is also a pathological liar, he has been sacked from two jobs for it already.
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11/12/2020 10:37:55 2 2
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So are all politicians wake up baby
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11/12/2020 10:41:21 18 3
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Johnson got us into this with his fairytales so he has to get us out. He is a fool
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Bizarre how Aus are trying to get a FTA with the EU if WTO terms are so great. It's as if they're not.......
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To be less reliant on China, this is the major driver.
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11/12/2020 10:24:22 16 2
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You want the UK to be more reliant on China and to have far worse trade relations with neareat neighbours and the countries they are partnered with ?
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11/12/2020 10:42:31 6 1
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You mean Aua is going to sell all its coal to the EU instead of the PRC? I think not.
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11/12/2020 10:46:55 6 0
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Nothing stopping them pursuing other FTA's to be less reliant on China, real benefit is it having less friction through these via no tariffs.
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11/12/2020 11:02:02 14 4
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Genius - typical Brexiter genius - they want a closer relationship with the EU so as not to be so vulnerable to China.

And you lot want NO DEAL OUT OUT OUT OUT so you can send all the EU migrants back to Pakistan - only you're not that coherent.

Despicable incoherent nonsense, all day, every day, for years. You have nothing else.
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11/12/2020 11:08:02 10 2
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"To be less reliant on China, this is the major driver."

That sounds like a sensible plan - of course observed realities (China and Australia signing a massive trade agreement 2 weeks ago) shows that something different is true.

All developed economies in the world (bar one) are signing trade deals to reduce red tape and tariffs. The UK is the only exception to this rule.
12/12/2020 01:00:48 0 0
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So we will be more reliant on China then?
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11/12/2020 10:12:37 635 20
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Why not just be TRUTHFUL and call it what it is NO DEAL because that is what it really is.
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11/12/2020 10:14:34 134 13
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Because being truthful is an alien concept to bungling Bozo and the rest of the Govt
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11/12/2020 10:14:48 5 17
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This is the time to LOOK FORWARD and THINK LONG TERM.
Instead of focusing on what we could loose, the focus should be on what we could gain IN THE LONG RUN.
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11/12/2020 10:17:45 3 0
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How 'long' is the 'long run'?

Brexiters never seem to be able to say!??
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11/12/2020 10:20:19 0 0
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Why is it that leave voters can't spell?
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11/12/2020 10:24:49 0 0
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In the long run isn't much use if you need food - or parts for your business.
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11/12/2020 10:26:47 0 0
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The long run worries me more that the short term
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11/12/2020 10:30:20 0 0
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I hope we're not going to "loose" anything.
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11/12/2020 10:37:41 0 0
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Correct, and Brexit is a long term disaster.
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11/12/2020 10:14:49 3 10
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Oh dear, not someone else who has fallen in to the 'Remoaners' pocket?

A little inconvenient this, isn't it

Perhaps Bozo will now refer to it as a Somalia-style arrangment
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11/12/2020 10:17:13 0 0
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it was Afghanistan there for a while
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11/12/2020 10:14:54 5 30
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Agreed - no deal is brilliant - the moaners will be out there - but we are British and we are the best at innovation . We've dug europe out twice, this time leave em to it
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11/12/2020 10:16:38 0 2
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Fantasist! Cuckoo, cuckoo...
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11/12/2020 10:16:42 0 1
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Another valour thief!??
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11/12/2020 10:19:49 0 1
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We haven't dug anyone out twice, the Americans and Russians did.
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11/12/2020 10:20:08 3 0
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The above post is a perfect example of the ignorance and inadequacy of so many Leave voters.
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11/12/2020 10:22:25 2 0
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Clearly someone who doesn't understand the principles of macro economics. No deal brings no benefits. Being patriotic and wanting no deal is claiming to want the best for your country whilst unleashing economic devastating consequences.
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11/12/2020 10:22:26 1 0
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Perhaps you'd like to "innovate" a reliable and affordable food supply?
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11/12/2020 10:23:48 1 0
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You made a good choice of username.
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11/12/2020 10:24:10 3 0
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Don't you mean the US dug Europe - and us - out twice? I see you share the national arrogance - your "we are British" statement might have had some relevance in our empire days, not now. And most modern British innovation has been a collaborative effort, often funded by the EU.
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11/12/2020 10:29:11 2 0
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Assuming you're referring to world wars, the Americans think they dug Europe out. The Russians also think they dug Europe out, at least the second time.
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Even Australia don’t want an Australian deal.

??
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Yeah but you don't see them pushing to join the EU, which tells you all you need to know.
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11/12/2020 11:36:44 2 7
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If you believe everything Turnbull says then you really do have problems. ... I write as an Australian.
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When the European Union finally collapses (and thats not a million miles away), all countries will deal independently with whoever they choose to do so.

Each country /state will need to do what is best for them and if they can better their own economy by trading with the UK they will do it.

The countries that stand alone the earliest will fare better
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11/12/2020 10:15:20 6 4
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Pie in the sky...expect nothing less ...
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11/12/2020 10:39:05 0 1
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Amazing all this talk of the EU collapsing, must be something people smoke.
I would shorten the word Mongolia by four letters.

That sums up No Deal.
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Are there many Mongols living in the UK do you know, they'd be an expert on No Deal I guess......... Removed
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11/12/2020 10:15:27 2 8
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That's what you'd expect Turnbull to say. Ask someone who'll give a different answer to the one you want!
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11/12/2020 11:17:58 0 0
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Your comment is actually pitiful!
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11/12/2020 10:15:36 12 1
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Mr Turnbull must know what he's talking about as he's an ex-Aussie PM, & our Govt holds ex-Aussie PMs in very high regard as experts in trade & FTAs!??
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11/12/2020 10:15:37 23 3
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Why would we want an Australia style deal? The UK and Australia's relationship with the EU and import/export levels are vastly different. Probably something to do with being 10,000 miles away? If the EU really want to prove a point, they can and probably will be harsh on the UK, which wouldn't be beneficial for either...but will stop other countries doing the same. That's all this comes down to.
They you're still bitter you lost and rather than work for the benefit of everyone you'd rather cry into your milk. Removed
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11/12/2020 10:15:39 95 10
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Work for the benefit of everyone, means to end this Brexit folly and get a deal resembling as much as possible the pre-Brexit arrangements.
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Why not just be TRUTHFUL and call it what it is NO DEAL because that is what it really is.
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11/12/2020 10:15:47 26 151
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So what you can't deal with people whose idea of a trade deal is we control you and steal your fish get real you people really are at the bottom of the barrel.
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"you can't deal with people whose idea of a trade deal is we... steal your fish"

The fish that British (and particularly English) fishermen sold the rights to, for good money, to foreign fishermen, who now want them back for free? Who is stealing again?
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11/12/2020 10:30:13 58 11
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It's you, boris-lover, who is at the bottom of the barrel !
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11/12/2020 10:35:15 40 6
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Your post would still be nonsense, even if written in English.
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11/12/2020 10:43:13 24 6
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I imagine that is how Scotland feel under the UK arrangements as most of the fish belong to them and the UK government want to take control of their fish.
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11/12/2020 10:45:22 35 2
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In case it had passed you by, dealing on WTO terms means following WTO rules, and if you have a disagreement you have to go to the WTO court of arbitration.

Further more we have FAR LESS influence in the WTO than we had in the EU.

As for the EU being undemocratic, can you tell us all when you last got a vote for our representation at the WTO?
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Chill, Bill
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Hi think we will be the fish stealers, sold our quota then claim it is ours, typical wide boy tactics.
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11/12/2020 11:31:44 5 5
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But as the EU needs the UK more than the other way around, in the end a no deal would work out just fine for the UK? Indeed, people who think otherwise, must live at the bottom of the barrel. ;=) As a foreigner I did not know this expression. One always learns something reading HYS on Brexit. Thanks!
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11/12/2020 12:06:18 10 1
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Do some actual research before spouting rubbish, thanks
11/12/2020 13:05:44 7 0
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No, we just happen to look at the bigger picture which is something that you leave fanatics can't seem to get your little heads around.
11/12/2020 13:18:48 4 0
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Is that the fish that are mainly exported to the EU and will attract 40% tariff after January 1st?
Tom
11/12/2020 13:25:52 1 0
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Guess where we want to sell those fish
You
11/12/2020 14:09:38 6 0
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Do yourself a favour and stop reading the Telegraph and Express. They are full of outright propaganda and lies. This ex Australian PM has no dog in the fight so is telling it like it is.
11/12/2020 18:43:55 3 0
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We import 70% of the fish we eat and export 80% of our catch. The fish we like (mainly cod & haddock) have moved north out of our waters; the UK fleet catches only 5% of the cod we eat and 7% of the haddock. We catch a lot of herrings 93% of which are exported mainly to Norway & the Netherlands. I don't think herring & chips or cuttlefish & chips will go down well. So trade with others is needed.
12/12/2020 08:09:28 3 0
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Your Brexit zeal seems to be in a small minority judged on these posts.
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11/12/2020 10:15:52 11 27
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No deal is the best deal. The EU are nothing more than the modern equivalent of an old colonial power. If Ireland is happy with that so be it. If Scotland truly want to give up their sovereignty to countries much more alien to them than the rest of us on these islands, so be it.
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11/12/2020 10:19:54 0 0
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No so be it.

No person or organisation will threaten the carve up of the British Isles.
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11/12/2020 10:20:27 0 0
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Scotland doesn't want to give up it's sovereignty to someone else we just want our sovereignty and to be rid of Englands Empire
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11/12/2020 10:31:32 0 0
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No country has 100% sovereignty in the modern world. Do you think we won't have to surrender some sovereignty to conclude a trade deal with the US? No deal will cause major economic damage to this small island nation, is that really what you want?
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11/12/2020 10:35:35 0 0
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You won, get over it. And try connecting with reality
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11/12/2020 10:15:58 19 0
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1 year for a trade deal was always going to be optimistic. They normally take 5 years plus.

There should of been one deadline for the withdrawal agreement. And only after entering the transition period should the clock start on the trade deal.

If we leave no deal I can see it taking years to do the trade deal as there will be no deadline anymore.
11/12/2020 14:15:03 2 0
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we've had four and a half years.

We are governed by the least suited and least able.
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Ah, the 'Somalia deal' aptly shows what the UK's new place in the world will look like.
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Have you ever been to Somalia? Have you any idea of trade deals or any other aspect of Somalian life? If not please post about something you have at least a small degree of knowledge. Childish and uneducated.
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11/12/2020 11:17:17 0 0
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What, like an Australian deal
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11/12/2020 11:47:49 2 1
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Everybody heard about Somalian pirates. We don't need to know more.
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11/12/2020 11:49:07 1 3
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Can`t be that bad in Somalia, some of them come here and get a Knighthood.???
PRAT Removed
12/12/2020 16:02:43 0 0
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duh, quitter ?
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11/12/2020 10:12:03 162 32
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Ah, the 'Somalia deal' aptly shows what the UK's new place in the world will look like.
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11/12/2020 10:16:17 23 0
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Yes with a Zimbabwe style economy if we’re using calming commonwealth labels for things
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11/12/2020 10:16:17 47 7
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Boris’ utter incompetence and weakness is shining through now. Nobody can see The Emperors clothes now Boris! The end of the Brexit Bull Sh*t line in approaching!!
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11/12/2020 10:14:15 8 34
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When the European Union finally collapses (and thats not a million miles away), all countries will deal independently with whoever they choose to do so.

Each country /state will need to do what is best for them and if they can better their own economy by trading with the UK they will do it.

The countries that stand alone the earliest will fare better
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RM
11/12/2020 10:16:22 2 2
bbc
Silly comment.
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11/12/2020 10:12:03 162 32
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Ah, the 'Somalia deal' aptly shows what the UK's new place in the world will look like.
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11/12/2020 10:16:25 24 3
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In your dream.
Somalia is a relatively poor nation the EU gives preferential treatment to help the economy.
The UK won't get a Somalia deal.
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11/12/2020 10:49:13 1 9
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Do your research before you make sweeping statement do you even know the mineral wealth oil 25% of the worlds Uranium Colonial condecending attitudes won't be tolerated anymore ://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-major-natural-resources-of-somalia.html
JSS
11/12/2020 13:15:05 0 0
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That's what the UK will need in a few years.
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11/12/2020 10:16:25 10 18
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the EU over the last few years .. from the Euro crisis to the Brexit negotiations.... what I also feared. An undemocratic and bullying bureaucracy with imperial aspirations. If the price of our freedom from this empire is WTO rules then so be it. There was a world before the EU and there is a works after the EU.
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11/12/2020 10:10:30 8 22
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They managed to find a remain supporting Aussie? What was it, four remainers to one leaver on question time? Typical bias again.

As Aussie pm, why didnt he sort out a deal with the Eu?

Well be absolutely fine, roll on no deal this Sunday please!
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11/12/2020 10:09:36 546 127
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So....even a centre-right politician like Turnbull thinks No Deal is madness.

What does that tell you, quitters ?
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11/12/2020 10:10:58 14 37
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He was known as the Chardonnay socialist.
505
11/12/2020 10:49:38 10 1
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He's a conservative politician you abject clown
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11/12/2020 10:56:25 1 0
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'Quinoa-Capitalist' would be more accurate, same as Blair, Clegg, Cameron, Miliband, et al, and now Starmer, of the so-called 'LibLabCon cabal' in England (the OxBridge PPE department has a lot to answer for), and the Bush, Clinton, Macron, Trudeau types elsewhere.
Truth is that Conservatives and Liberals are two sides of the same anti-pleb cocktail party. Socialists aren't invited.
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11/12/2020 10:16:29 14 15
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But one thing is for sure.

Australia would not sign up to the Eu’s current offer.

You think they would allow the Eu to have control over their waters, business rules, environment rules AND legal dispute system?!
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11/12/2020 10:32:15 1 0
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Which is why they trade on such awful terms. Just like we will.
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11/12/2020 10:13:38 244 27
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"Australia has free trade agreements with most if its geographical neighbors and does not do nearly as much trade with the EU as the UK does."
This probably never occurred to the bunch of clowns in charge.
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11/12/2020 10:16:36 27 65
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Why this urge to criticise the governments of other countries?
91
11/12/2020 10:19:10 1 9
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Because their are a lot of losers on this site
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11/12/2020 10:22:25 3 1
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Because they care about you.
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Bob
11/12/2020 10:45:57 10 1
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These are the words of the ex prime minister of Australia! He wonders why we would wish to come out of the European Union when many other countries are desperately negotiating to have free trade with them. If you had seen Question Time, you would have heard Mr Turnbull say that a lot of Australia's trade is with their neighbours - and the majority of their trade is with China!
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11/12/2020 11:34:43 1 4
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Turnbull hates the country which failed to appreciate his greatness.
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11/12/2020 12:04:39 0 3
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Well said.
12/12/2020 00:47:53 0 0
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Who was criticising? Interview explained what "Australia deal" is, or rather that there is no deal.
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11/12/2020 10:14:54 5 30
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Agreed - no deal is brilliant - the moaners will be out there - but we are British and we are the best at innovation . We've dug europe out twice, this time leave em to it
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11/12/2020 10:16:38 0 2
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Fantasist! Cuckoo, cuckoo...
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11/12/2020 10:14:54 5 30
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Agreed - no deal is brilliant - the moaners will be out there - but we are British and we are the best at innovation . We've dug europe out twice, this time leave em to it
60
11/12/2020 10:16:42 0 1
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Another valour thief!??
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11/12/2020 10:16:47 46 11
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Yep, let's aspire to a trading relationship with the largest trading bloc in the world and on our doorstep, with that of a country 9,500 miles away in a totally different sphere of trading influence

Of course it makes sense, just like Brexit
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11/12/2020 10:19:23 15 29
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It's not a trading bloc, it's a political, federalist project. Trading blocs don't require you to hand over great chunks of your law-making to an unelected foreign body.
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MVP
11/12/2020 10:16:49 73 16
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Brexit is not looking like such a good idea now, is it?

After 4 and a half years we are still no closer to a deal with a block that represents 40% of our international trade. And we only have until Sunday.

If the Prime Minister fails here the economic consequences for the UK will be dire.
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11/12/2020 10:20:37 39 5
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Unfortunately, I think the pandemic has emboldened the Brexiteers. With the economy already suffering massively, they will always be able to point to that as the cause of any economic damage and ignore any caused by Brexit.
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11/12/2020 10:38:05 0 7
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Rubbish. It is actually 10 months negotiation. EU would not negotiate until we left, then when we did, they would not begin until March. BBC roll out ex-leaders and has beens modus operandi. You also need to look up how tarrifs work. After 1st Jan we get to set our own tarrifs on imports same as EU get to set tarrifs on our exports. Guess what it is not done on the fly but negotiation.
11/12/2020 20:55:32 0 1
bbc
Looking good to me.
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11/12/2020 10:16:50 127 20
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So there it is Straight from the Horse's Mouth, ok Boris explain all the Lies you have told about an Australian Deal, the UK is waiting
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11/12/2020 10:22:32 27 66
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You do know, Abbot another former Oz Pm supports the UK in brexit?
Which horse do you listen to?

Of course the one that says what you want to hear
797
11/12/2020 11:39:53 2 1
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Malcolm Turnbull telling the truth? You do realise that he lost the position of PM? He lacks a degree of objectivety regarding Australia.
897
11/12/2020 12:07:49 0 1
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John.....you are pathetic.
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11/12/2020 10:17:02 50 3
bbc
Australia deal is just another name for no deal. But remember Canada's deal took 7 years to negotiate, was almost scuppered by one small region of Belgium and had Canada's finance minister publicly in tears before it was finally push through.

That's how it is trying to do business with an organisation of 27 different countries (and that's when they are NOT out to punish you!)
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11/12/2020 10:21:32 11 2
bbc
Yep, CETA still isn't fully ratified, neither is the EU japan deal
11/12/2020 13:13:56 0 0
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The EU is not punishing anyone. The UK has chosen to leave, and wants to continue to have the benefits of membership without the responsibilities (who can blame the UK, it would be a great deal). But the EU has to protect the interests of it's 27 members. The UK is no longer a member, but a competitor, and must be treated as a competitor.
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11/12/2020 10:12:37 635 20
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Why not just be TRUTHFUL and call it what it is NO DEAL because that is what it really is.
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11/12/2020 10:17:06 100 14
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Because it's what BoZo does. He tells lies, always has and always will.
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11/12/2020 10:14:49 3 10
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Oh dear, not someone else who has fallen in to the 'Remoaners' pocket?

A little inconvenient this, isn't it

Perhaps Bozo will now refer to it as a Somalia-style arrangment
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11/12/2020 10:17:13 0 0
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it was Afghanistan there for a while
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11/12/2020 10:17:19 37 10
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Australia is so far away from the EU geographically that it isn't particularly important for them to have a good deal.

For the UK, it is imperative, just to have enough food to eat.

If a prominent Australian is bemoaning their lack of relationship with the EU, we should listen very carefully.
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11/12/2020 10:21:26 0 2
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Your right, listen him then explain that our huge importance to the EU sitting next door is far more important to them than Australia.
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11/12/2020 10:30:18 1 1
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The BBC posted a view that the UK would suffer on food tariffs in particular beef and New Zealand Lamb. Those Tarrifs currently are of the EU's making, NZ lamb something like 70 percent. In truth on 1st Jan the UK gets to set its own tariff on imports. Tarrifs are give and take, for instance the EU seeks to set tarrifs on services then the UK could set tarrifs on German Cars. Give and take.
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11/12/2020 11:23:29 0 1
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For the UK, it is imperative, just to have enough food to eat.

Yes it is we will have to continue eating more British mixed with Brazilan Coffee & Coca. India produces a lot as well , i am sure we can buy that

I am still searching for the banana plantation in the EU though
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11/12/2020 10:17:21 50 6
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When Boris said he doesn't want to follow EU rules as no other country should interfere in another's rules . Where does that leave us regarding child labour in many countries and products produced in China's internment camps ? We have spent decades interfering . Turnbull knows the problems of WTO rules first hand . As he said it's not something Australia wants to continue . Brexit Fool Boris
11/12/2020 13:17:44 8 0
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The UK only needs to follow EU rules if it wants to trade with the EU single market (the largest single market in the world). If it does not want to trade with the EU, then it does not to follow EU rules. Likewise, if the UK wants to trade with any other block, then it needs to follow that block's rules. Same goes for WTO rules if you trade on WTO terms. Working to together mean agreeing rules
11/12/2020 20:57:01 0 0
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Why trade with China? More cheap crap that we don’t need or high tech that spies on us.
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11/12/2020 10:17:23 36 5
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I am assuming that it is likened to an "Australia" deal as this is a sunny country and there is more likelihood of "sunny uplands" as a result!
Its "no-deal" no matter how you dress it up. Any rolled over current agreements do not give us any benefits that the deals the EU already has with these countries... so no benefits so far... and none likely. Even worse with the prospects of No Deal
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Ian
11/12/2020 10:09:05 375 74
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Yes, there are a lot of lies spread by Johnson ?? and the Tories ??

There are many quote from these people saying that getting a deal will be the easiest thing in the world.

They are liars.
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11/12/2020 10:17:24 10 75
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Correction, all politicians are liars especially those on the left. Liebour have had more flip-flops than Gandhi! Even today Kier is still cannot control the Liebour Party.
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11/12/2020 10:22:14 48 2
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If what you support is indefensible, go on attack the opposition... throw in a clever twist on the name and clearly the argument is won!!
508
11/12/2020 10:49:56 5 0
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You must be a Leaver because you have issued a political slur rather than an answer.
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11/12/2020 10:32:48 7 0
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Liebour in place of Labour.
Absolute genius that is.
I am so jealous that I never came up with that gem...do you mind if I borrow it.

Seriously though, don't give up the day job or the benefits.
525
11/12/2020 10:50:58 8 0
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Like all Leavers, you have not been reading.
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11/12/2020 10:09:36 546 127
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So....even a centre-right politician like Turnbull thinks No Deal is madness.

What does that tell you, quitters ?
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11/12/2020 10:17:31 15 122
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Hardly 'madness' - he apparently said there were some barriers. We all expect that - nothing new there. You Remoaners really do need to start grasping the basic meanings of words and phrases - anyone would think you'd never been educated
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11/12/2020 10:23:12 78 8
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Patronising. I am well educated. I deal with facts, rather than emotions. Unlike Quitters.
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11/12/2020 10:23:32 32 9
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"you've" never been educated, not you'd.

Grammar is important. Anyone would think you've never had the benefit of a proper education.
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11/12/2020 10:47:34 1 0
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Rich!
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11/12/2020 10:51:44 8 1
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You said - easiest deal in history, done over a cup of coffee in an afternoon, unimpeded access to the SIngle Market, continued rights to live and work and study in the EU, all of us rich, blah blah - ad infinitum, and for years. You lied.

I realise that you probably struggle to recall last week or even yesterdays lies - but the rest of us don't have that difficulty.
642
11/12/2020 11:12:40 2 1
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Oh the irony! Word for word he said "large barriers" not "some barriers". Now what was that you said about grasping basic meanings?
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11/12/2020 11:45:44 2 1
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He also said 'it's not what the UK would want' ... I wonder how you view keeping up with workers rights being a sticking pint for Johnson... which implies he'd like to restrict workers rights... is that something you hoped for cos it looks like it's what we are all going to get...
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11/12/2020 10:10:58 10 17
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The operative word in the BBC headline is 'ex'....
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11/12/2020 10:17:36 0 1
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Together with the word "could" in paragraph 5 ....
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RM
11/12/2020 10:13:28 8 4
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Brexit: Malcolm Turnbull tells UK 'be careful what you wish for' over EU trade
Turnbull said: "Australia has a deal with the EU on WTO terms and there are really some very large barriers to Australian trade with Europe, which we are seeking to address as we negotiate a free trade agreement with Europe

But Australians would not regard our trade relationship with Europe as being a satisfactory one.
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11/12/2020 10:17:38 7 0
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Nonsense, if the Aussies could get into the EU under the trade rules we have at the moment, they'd bite your hand off. The tories are trying to dress up non-deal WTO rules as "Aussie rules" but we should be able to get better. Where is the over-ready "easier deal ever" that Boris promised?
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11/12/2020 10:14:48 5 17
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This is the time to LOOK FORWARD and THINK LONG TERM.
Instead of focusing on what we could loose, the focus should be on what we could gain IN THE LONG RUN.
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11/12/2020 10:17:45 3 0
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How 'long' is the 'long run'?

Brexiters never seem to be able to say!??
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11/12/2020 10:31:25 0 0
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Ask John Maynard Keynes.
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11/12/2020 10:31:58 0 0
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It’s as long as it takes to get to Never Never Land
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11/12/2020 10:10:00 337 19
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Why don't we call it a Mongolian style deal, that's a bit closer to home and they trade on the same basis as Australia with the EU........
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11/12/2020 10:17:50 46 6
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Mongolia is not part of the Commonwealth and does not have the Union Jack as part of its flag. These are the only reasons Australia gets a name-check here. The Gammon and alt-right "patriots" (read xenophoic racists) enjoy references to Empire!
Alt right lol get me my burger you brainwashed sheep Removed
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11/12/2020 10:12:03 162 32
bbc
Ah, the 'Somalia deal' aptly shows what the UK's new place in the world will look like.
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11/12/2020 10:17:58 21 1
bbc
The "North Korea" deal may be more apt.
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11/12/2020 10:17:59 3 12
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We know, Malcolm. The bet is they'll be offset with less friction in trading terms with the 85% of the world that isn't in the EU. Hopefully we'll get the opportunity to test the hypothesis. If it turns out to not be true, at least we'll be able to vote for the people who make ALL our laws.
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11/12/2020 10:20:29 1 1
bbc
What utter baloney
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11/12/2020 10:23:27 0 0
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Yawn, well named...we'll go from gleefully accepting all laws that came from the EU because they basically were what we were going to do anyway (and we could argue our case about anyway) TO taking whatever our new masters in Russia, the US and China tell us to do about trade. But we'll have blue passports printed in Belarussia
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11/12/2020 10:25:18 0 0
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why will there be less friction trading the rest of the world? we've lost all the trade deals we had via the EU so there's going to be more friction
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11/12/2020 10:27:05 0 0
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Given that we always made our own laws your point falls down very quickly.
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11/12/2020 10:29:02 0 0
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85% of the world is further away (transport/time costs). Plus, a lot of it (inc Commonweath) is quite poor compared to EU. To enlighten yourself (something brexiteers don't do), Google 'Economic gravity'.
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11/12/2020 10:12:28 15 11
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Turnbull needs to wake up he's never going to get a deal for Aussie agricultural goods, you just need to understand the CAP and French Framers to know that. Agriculture is the most protected tariffed sector in the EU, its partly why food prices are so high for certain products.
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11/12/2020 10:18:07 4 1
bbc
And partly also why food prices are so low for (most) others.

As we're about to find out...
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11/12/2020 10:10:44 117 21
bbc
Get ready for the Brexit mob to claim this ex Prime Minister, who personally negotiated the trade deals, doesn't in fact know what he's talking about?
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11/12/2020 10:18:08 16 32
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He personally negotiated the trade deals and thinks they are bad deals. Perhaps he does not know what he is talking about.
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11/12/2020 11:35:38 3 1
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His Country (Australia) like every other country with a developed economy in the world is trying to reduce tariffs and red tape in international trade. This is with a single exception, the UK Tory Party. Other countries that adopt this policy are Iran (due to it's pursuit of nuclear weapons) and North Korea but maybe you're right, maybe the Ayatollah and Kim Jong Un are the smart ones?
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11/12/2020 10:12:28 15 11
bbc
Turnbull needs to wake up he's never going to get a deal for Aussie agricultural goods, you just need to understand the CAP and French Framers to know that. Agriculture is the most protected tariffed sector in the EU, its partly why food prices are so high for certain products.
80
11/12/2020 10:18:11 2 0
bbc
Err....you do know Turnbull hasn't actually been PM for quite a while??
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11/12/2020 10:12:34 1 25
bbc
Aus don't need a trade deal in time they will be consumed by Brussels , there are no limits to the boundary

They are in the eurovision just a matter of time.
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11/12/2020 10:18:14 2 0
bbc
That might have been funny it wasn't so weird
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11/12/2020 10:18:16 4 7
bbc
So does anyone think the EU want to trade with us on WTO terms......THEY can not afford to do this! The Brits would not like to slip back to this status but would adapt and move on...... the Europeans would just sink their controlled economy just would not be able to adapt.
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11/12/2020 10:20:56 1 1
bbc
Delusional little Engerlander mentality...the EU would prefer a deal but they are so much better prepared and organised than we are. They'll ride the storm better than us.
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11/12/2020 10:26:25 1 0
bbc
At what point does a trading partnership of 500m people ‘need’ our isolationist nation of 60m whose chief exports are currently rhetoric and idiocy?
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11/12/2020 10:14:15 8 34
bbc
When the European Union finally collapses (and thats not a million miles away), all countries will deal independently with whoever they choose to do so.

Each country /state will need to do what is best for them and if they can better their own economy by trading with the UK they will do it.

The countries that stand alone the earliest will fare better
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11/12/2020 10:18:17 2 2
bbc
I firmly believe the UK will cease to exist long before the EU, and an independent, stand-alone Scotland will be among those faring better
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11/12/2020 10:18:44 7 12
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The EU is over, the project has failed. It is now in a slow spinning spiral of decline. It may take a few years for this to become apparent, and probably much longer before it admits the fact, but the failure of the EU as an entity is now irrevocable. It's blackmail and frivolous actions published yesterday was the final trigger to start the meltdown.
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11/12/2020 10:23:37 1 0
bbc
UK will break up, with Scotland leaving, before the EU does
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11/12/2020 10:26:58 2 0
bbc
Yawn...another EU-will-fail 'prediction'. Been going on since 1993, so join the list......
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11/12/2020 10:28:29 1 0
bbc
?????????? rather shows you are mad as a box of frogs. Enjoy your food queue
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11/12/2020 10:48:40 0 0
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Just as many experts think it has been a success as those who don't. It has lasted 40 years and has helped maintain peace in Europe. It is not perfect, but nor is UK political process, and centralised power in London.
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Lee
11/12/2020 10:15:13 6 4
bbc
Everyone on both sides of the argument is fed up of this now. Either way now just get it done. All this Pi55ing about.
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11/12/2020 10:15:47 3 3
bbc
It is clear that no deal is less preferable in an economic sense. It all depends on how you value sovereignty versus trade,

The SNPs position is confusing. Regarding the Union it prefers sovereignty to trade. regarding the EU it prefers trade to sovereignty. Go figure.
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11/12/2020 10:21:45 4 1
bbc
I’ll say it slowly: We. Were. Always. Sovereign.
204
11/12/2020 10:25:53 3 0
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You've failed to make the case as to why Scotland would have less sovereignty as an independent state in the EU than it does as a regional authority in the UK.
87
11/12/2020 10:18:47 0 4
bbc
We need H-Brexit just walk away Bojo and create a huge mess. Let see what will happen Sonak may have some more doko to spend.
284
11/12/2020 10:30:02 0 0
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Already spent. We have spent more getting out than we ever paid whilst in.
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11/12/2020 10:18:47 43 4
bbc
Says it all, but why is Johnson calling it an Australian style deal anyway when it's no deal?

An Afghanistan style deal not quite as appealling to his followers?
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11/12/2020 10:21:24 14 5
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Not part of the Commonwealth/Empire
That's why Australia gets a mention. Makes the Gammon a bit misty-eyed that other countries (goodness knows why?!) have our Queen as their head of state
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11/12/2020 10:18:49 4 14
bbc
BBC wheal em out anyone who has anything detrimental to say yesterday it was 57% tariff on Cheddar Cheese complete nonsense one thing is for sure once this pandemic is out of the way and people see Brexit scaremongering for what it is heads are going to roll in the BBC that is a fact folks the gravy train is over.
165
11/12/2020 10:23:55 2 0
bbc
Is this post also available in English?
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11/12/2020 10:27:09 2 0
bbc
Hilarious. Walter Mitty Mitty fantasist. Enjoy your food queue
90
11/12/2020 10:18:55 8 3
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No deal or deal. After four and half years of bitterness and everyone thinking that their is the opinion that matters. Whether that is leave or remain. I am past caring
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11/12/2020 10:16:36 27 65
bbc
Why this urge to criticise the governments of other countries?
91
11/12/2020 10:19:10 1 9
bbc
Because their are a lot of losers on this site
547
11/12/2020 10:54:18 9 1
bbc
Agreed! The Leavers have lost their bet whilst winning the pot.
92
11/12/2020 10:19:16 6 4
bbc
Be a very interesting 2021, it will kick off with lockdowns and tumble badly from there.
Who cares though we are still alive.
93
11/12/2020 10:19:16 7 22
bbc
It's hysterical reading the bitter comments of the Remoaners. Come on; you voted for the losing side in the Referendum. Now is the time to get over it. The new year will mark a change for the better for all Britons. No longer will we be subservient to the unelected faceless career politicians of the Commission. We have won back our sovereignty and we shall now govern ourselves. We are free.
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11/12/2020 10:21:32 4 1
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On the contrary, we are fighting your battle for you. We are trying to hold those that YOU voted for accountable for what they promised. YOU, on the other hand, appear happy to have been duped and don't care what happens, as long as your "side" wins. You even cite the blatant lies you have been told in your comment.
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11/12/2020 10:23:06 3 0
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Vacuous rhetoric such as yours hasn't been effective in encouraging Remain voters to "get over it" for 4 years and it's unlikely to do the job now. You should anticipate continued resistance to your nationalistic jingoism and accept it as the new normal instead of constantly bleating about it.
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11/12/2020 10:25:46 3 0
bbc
1. Sovereignty went nowhere.
2. The EU commission is basically a civil service. NO civil service in the world is elected, including our so poor knowledge there.
3.Having removed my right to free movement, to work & retire in EU, erected trade barriers etc, please explain - if you can- exactly how more 'free' am I?.
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11/12/2020 10:29:07 3 0
bbc
Hopefully no one actually voted for the current mess, but perhaps Brexiteers did. £200bn+ cost and we are nowhere.
11/12/2020 16:31:35 0 0
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Strange how this comment has been hysterically voted down
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11/12/2020 10:14:15 8 34
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When the European Union finally collapses (and thats not a million miles away), all countries will deal independently with whoever they choose to do so.

Each country /state will need to do what is best for them and if they can better their own economy by trading with the UK they will do it.

The countries that stand alone the earliest will fare better
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11/12/2020 10:19:17 2 1
bbc
You should have heard the expression 'too big to fail'?

Get real, in a worst case scenario all that will happen is the EU will restructure and a few outlying members drop away.
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11/12/2020 10:16:47 46 11
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Yep, let's aspire to a trading relationship with the largest trading bloc in the world and on our doorstep, with that of a country 9,500 miles away in a totally different sphere of trading influence

Of course it makes sense, just like Brexit
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11/12/2020 10:19:23 15 29
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It's not a trading bloc, it's a political, federalist project. Trading blocs don't require you to hand over great chunks of your law-making to an unelected foreign body.
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11/12/2020 10:36:54 5 0
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Yet another person confusing the EU, the European Commission, and the European Parliament.
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11/12/2020 10:42:19 7 1
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The EU isn't unelected, we elect MEPs, who in turn elect people above them.

Far more democratic than the UK.
12/12/2020 11:45:51 0 0
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Fools don’t even understand

Blind ignorant logic - get your facts right
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11/12/2020 10:19:24 10 9
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"Be careful what you wish for?" We all wanted a deal in the UK, gave the EU everything they asked for: concessions over NI, special regard to the status of EU citizens wishing to remain in the UK, divorce payment... everything. And the EU just came back and greedily demanded more, and more, and more.

And that's why they blew it. EU greed and intransigence is the only reason we don't have a deal.
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11/12/2020 10:24:40 0 0
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realistically no one would allow someone on their doorstep to undercut their market. We had no choice on Ireland because of GFA and the Americans told us what to do. Biggest intransigence is "Britannia rules the waves" out of date UK politicians who would rather trash the UK.
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11/12/2020 10:25:58 0 0
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?? another one who hasn't got a clue. Enjoy your food queue dear
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Guv
11/12/2020 10:32:09 0 0
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Unbelievable!
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11/12/2020 10:19:42 5 5
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Turnbull ex Oz Pm, brexit bad, EU good

Abbot ex Oz Pm, brext good, EU bad

Funny, BBC report what one has to say, but not the other
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11/12/2020 10:25:16 3 0
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Geeze, you must be living a in a deep dark echo chamber, the BBC has reported on Tony Abbot and his appointment as a Brexit trade adviser to Boris:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54027762
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11/12/2020 10:25:23 2 0
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Funny you have swallowed the Brexit rubbish hook, line and sinker. Enjoy your food queue dear
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11/12/2020 10:58:02 1 0
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Oh look - A Brexiter lying.

Feel free to bury your head in the sand to facts, but here's proof you're wrong; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54027762
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11/12/2020 10:14:54 5 30
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Agreed - no deal is brilliant - the moaners will be out there - but we are British and we are the best at innovation . We've dug europe out twice, this time leave em to it
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11/12/2020 10:19:49 0 1
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We haven't dug anyone out twice, the Americans and Russians did.
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11/12/2020 10:15:52 11 27
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No deal is the best deal. The EU are nothing more than the modern equivalent of an old colonial power. If Ireland is happy with that so be it. If Scotland truly want to give up their sovereignty to countries much more alien to them than the rest of us on these islands, so be it.
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11/12/2020 10:19:54 0 0
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No so be it.

No person or organisation will threaten the carve up of the British Isles.
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11/12/2020 10:19:56 45 11
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Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk away with no accountability for the damage he has wrought on our U.K.
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11/12/2020 10:29:44 0 18
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Too late Tom, we were fooled into voting him in and he can do what he wants.
The good news is that he WILL go on the next election, the bad news is it will be Starmer that messes the next 5 yrs up after Bozo.
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11/12/2020 10:30:30 6 0
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He will walk away with a nice little pension for all the damage he has done. In another occupation he would have been sacked long ago.
12/12/2020 11:33:18 0 0
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And the rest of the motley crew

What a bunch of total muppets

Not a decent human being amongst them