Heathrow to shut Terminal 4 until end of next year
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The airport operator says passenger numbers fell sharply following a second lockdown.
There are plenty of people who were lucky enough to keep working, and many from home, through the pandemic, earning full wage, but no travel costs & no events/holidays etc.. to spend their money on. There is £billions out there burning holes in peoples pockets just waiting for the green light!
Why would anyone fly again - because travel is fun, it broadens the mind, you get to see and experience wonderful things.
The tourist tax is paid by the tourists flying, and few would want to come here, or in the middle of a pandemic should the UK be letting them come in from most countries.
Plus one of the biggest number of tourists were Chinese, and despite China having little virus cases, visitors from there would need to quarantine, even if they wanted to visit infection-high UK.
Rates relief seems good idea.
Plus one of the biggest number of tourists were Chinese, and despite China having little virus cases, visitors from there would need to quarantine, even if they wanted to visit infection-high UK.
Rates relief seems good idea.
A tourist tax is not paid by tourists flying, this relates to the removal of tax free shopping in the high street. Foreign tourists get their tax back when they leave, but the stupid UK government thinks that the tax they don't give back will end up in the Treasuries coffers.
Fact is they have now taken the incentive to tourists to come here and they will go to Milan, Paris etc etc and no money will end up in the treasuries coffers. In short our government have given our economy a kick in the nuts when its already down and sinking
This is good news for the environment.
Maybe we should all take this time to re-consider the damage we are doing to the earth and amend out lifestyles accordingly, and if that means taking fewer flights then so be it.
Maybe we should all take this time to re-consider the damage we are doing to the earth and amend out lifestyles accordingly, and if that means taking fewer flights then so be it.
The clothing industry creates way more damage to the environment than flying, have you tried going naked?
It's not the flights, it's the excessive procreation that's the problem.
I have sympathy for the businesses that are suffering due to the effects of Covid BUT they are deluding themselves if they think the country can recover its economy by reducing taxes. They are going to have to accept much lower profits and mininal dividend distribution - if any dividends at all - for many years to come.
As much as vaccines are positive news, the skies will only open up again once rapid testing is in place. If terminals can become almost covid free bubbles, receiving countries will then have confidence to receive tourists again.
As a hotel owner in Thailand, I'm not expecting tourists on my beach until next Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all, hope to see you in the warm next year!
As a hotel owner in Thailand, I'm not expecting tourists on my beach until next Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all, hope to see you in the warm next year!
I think you may well be right, at least about how the sensible people will behave. There will always be those who think they know better, it's a pity their actions affect the rest of us, not just them.
I have sympathy for the businesses that are suffering due to the effects of Covid BUT they are deluding themselves if they think the country can recover its economy by reducing taxes. They are going to have to accept much lower profits and mininal dividend distribution - if any dividends at all - for many years to come.
I don't disagree with you but the country can't carry these debts indefinitely. Do we want to hand them on to future generations?
Airport terminals are the riskiest part of the flight journey...whilst the aircraft themselves are comparatively safe because of in cabin air circulation.
Smaller more manageable terminals in smaller airports are safer.
Smaller more manageable terminals in smaller airports are safer.
I agree about terminals (and indeed, any transport hubs!) being a high transmission risk, but what makes you think sitting in an aluminum tube with several hundred people, breathing their shared air, for hours on end is any safer? If the person beside you is infected, that's the problem! Changing the cabin air doesn't change what they're exhaling! Terminal 4 won't be needed until C-19's eradicated
The pandemic swept around the World, last January, via the close proximity of passengers
They were breathing shared, 'infrequently changed' recycled air in tightly packed flights, for hours on end
Before they'd left, and after they'd landed, they fought through crowded transport hubs at airports, train stations and ports
Why's anyone surprised this practice, and T4, has stopped being popular?
Wow!
They were breathing shared, 'infrequently changed' recycled air in tightly packed flights, for hours on end
Before they'd left, and after they'd landed, they fought through crowded transport hubs at airports, train stations and ports
Why's anyone surprised this practice, and T4, has stopped being popular?
Wow!
I returned to the UK from India in March just before lockdown.The hotel in India temperature checked me outside before allowing me to check in.The following day I was temperature checked before being allowed on the transfer bus.At he Airport i was again checked before being allowed into the terminal.Arrived back at Terminal 4 straight of the plane into my hotel with no checks whatsoever.
Looking world-wide, it's rather telling that those areas where a lot of travel (not just by air) takes place (Europe, North & South America, West Indies) by a broad population demographic, the rates are highest. Of course there will be exceptions/anomalies, there are obviously other factors too.
Less travel is a good idea, but deciding how a rationing system should work is worth another HYS.
Less travel is a good idea, but deciding how a rationing system should work is worth another HYS.
No need to build an extra runway now !
Sensible decision. Now why is the government paying billions to keep empty trains running around all over? Some prudent trimming of services would be a good thing, surely?
Its just the same with all the empty buses that you see all the time
I agree about terminals (and indeed, any transport hubs!) being a high transmission risk, but what makes you think sitting in an aluminum tube with several hundred people, breathing their shared air, for hours on end is any safer? If the person beside you is infected, that's the problem! Changing the cabin air doesn't change what they're exhaling! Terminal 4 won't be needed until C-19's eradicated
No sympathy for tourists in the Canaries, my understanding of the tier system is that only essential travel is allowed and as much as I would like a holiday it isn't essential.
The advice has been not to book holidays.
The advice has been not to book holidays.
Our honourable friend John Holland-Kaye continues his PR campaign. He never fails to remind us that only Heathrow can deliver a Global Britain! Heathrow and its bosses do not care a bit about local (London) communities. Heathrow only cares about profit. If it was up to John he would build 6 runways at Heathrow! Heathrow is NOT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY! We can do better than that!
Six runways would be great, we need more connectivity, not less.
Changes and compromises must happen, if we are to tackle global warming.
A cut in aviation is one of them. If we have learned anything at all from lockdown, it is that MUCH less travel is necessary; most of us have learned how to work in different ways. This must be maintained.
Frequent flyers from now on must be taxed and penalised, certainly not rewarded with points and air miles.
A cut in aviation is one of them. If we have learned anything at all from lockdown, it is that MUCH less travel is necessary; most of us have learned how to work in different ways. This must be maintained.
Frequent flyers from now on must be taxed and penalised, certainly not rewarded with points and air miles.
Possibly yes, but remember aviation is 6% contribution to CO2, home domestic heating systems in the UK is 40% or more and now we are all at home working with the heating on so carbon outputs this year will be up up up, ironic cos the planes aren't.
There needs to be a rethink about cramming passengers into any form of mass transport
There won't be any guaranteed safety from C-19, and it's continued transmission, until some kind of enclosed 'bubble', not dependent on shared air, is developed
No bright person will risk the proximity to random crowds again!
Being inoculated doesn't stop transmission!
T4 closing is a natural consequence of this.
There won't be any guaranteed safety from C-19, and it's continued transmission, until some kind of enclosed 'bubble', not dependent on shared air, is developed
No bright person will risk the proximity to random crowds again!
Being inoculated doesn't stop transmission!
T4 closing is a natural consequence of this.
Hardly any people aged under 65 die of Covid19. Children don't even get ill.
So let it spread through those under 65 - with life as normal. Economy fixed.
Just shelter the over 65's. Simple.
So let it spread through those under 65 - with life as normal. Economy fixed.
Just shelter the over 65's. Simple.
Well said! I've already cancelled my foreign holiday this year and will take 2 seperate weeks in the UK instead
No new runway. No HS2. Big savings that wee can use elsewhere. However, a load more job losses is bad news for everyone, and it is not going to stop anytime soon.
Cancelling HS2 won't make a single penny available for anything else. Major Investment Projects are not financed by the taxpayer.
The new runway is a private venture, it is not government funded - if it now goes ahead.
The new runway is a private venture, it is not government funded - if it now goes ahead.
Typical BBC to focus on a negative story. Why not have that new proposed development at Blyth, Northumberland creating so many jobs given a significantly increased headline. But that’s positive and does not fit with the fear and terror spreading policy of the leftists at the BBC
Have you forgotten the jobs Britishvolt was going to create in Wales? Announcing a project is very different to realising one. This will require vast investment in a company with no track record so it would be naive to assume it will go ahead
You could have posted a link.
What's this then ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55263255
Aircraft travel has proven more and more “surplus to requirements”.
But it isn’t though, there is a pent up demand, and many will travel when the health situation improves. It isn’t just people going on holidays, millions of people have family in different countries and are desperate to see them
I have been flying regularly in lockdown my kids live in NI how else am I meant to see them unless Boris builds a bridge? Many families have had to travel i.e. sick parents in other countries such as India. The world keeps turning and people still need to get on and do things! At some point people will just get on with living rather than festering at home!
Aircraft travel has proven more and more “surplus to requirements”.
They will, but its not like they'll do 4 holidays each to make up for lost time, they'll maybe do one (if they can afford it)
The pandemic swept around the World, last January, via the close proximity of passengers
They were breathing shared, 'infrequently changed' recycled air in tightly packed flights, for hours on end
Before they'd left, and after they'd landed, they fought through crowded transport hubs at airports, train stations and ports
Why's anyone surprised this practice, and T4, has stopped being popular?
Wow!
They were breathing shared, 'infrequently changed' recycled air in tightly packed flights, for hours on end
Before they'd left, and after they'd landed, they fought through crowded transport hubs at airports, train stations and ports
Why's anyone surprised this practice, and T4, has stopped being popular?
Wow!
I returned to the UK from India in March just before lockdown.The hotel in India temperature checked me outside before allowing me to check in.The following day I was temperature checked before being allowed on the transfer bus.At he Airport i was again checked before being allowed into the terminal.Arrived back at Terminal 4 straight of the plane into my hotel with no checks whatsoever.
You are assuming a useless temperature check actually does anything. Even some high tech corvid tests are 50/50, useless! Trivial temperature checks are a scam presentation of doing something. To let the stupid think it is ok to travel about pointlessly, trivially.
Do we really need another runway?
The psychology of humanity is such that if someone tells them something they are so ready to believe them (how else could explain some ridiculous view held by a lot of people - we all know examples).
As soon as the green light appears people will flood back - if they have the money
This is the big caveat
And business?
Why would anyone fly again.
The psychology of humanity is such that if someone tells them something they are so ready to believe them (how else could explain some ridiculous view held by a lot of people - we all know examples).
As soon as the green light appears people will flood back - if they have the money
This is the big caveat
And business?
Why would anyone fly again.
We've all spent it on our homes - the building work around here is unbelievable
Exactly , most people are like this . Has anyone tried booking a builder ? There will be a massive pent up demand and then inflation will become the issue as all that money tries to get spent.
There needs to be a rethink about cramming passengers into any form of mass transport
There won't be any guaranteed safety from C-19, and it's continued transmission, until some kind of enclosed 'bubble', not dependent on shared air, is developed
No bright person will risk the proximity to random crowds again!
Being inoculated doesn't stop transmission!
T4 closing is a natural consequence of this.
There won't be any guaranteed safety from C-19, and it's continued transmission, until some kind of enclosed 'bubble', not dependent on shared air, is developed
No bright person will risk the proximity to random crowds again!
Being inoculated doesn't stop transmission!
T4 closing is a natural consequence of this.
Wow! I must've missed your research paper, and these 'facts'
The recent papers I've been following are speculating on the long term health implications for those who've survived C-19 infection. Read any? Thought not!
T4 closing is long term
C-19 should be regarded as debilitating, in the same way that 'foot and mouth' doesn't actually kill livestock, they just 'fail to thrive', C-19 will weaken us
The recent papers I've been following are speculating on the long term health implications for those who've survived C-19 infection. Read any? Thought not!
T4 closing is long term
C-19 should be regarded as debilitating, in the same way that 'foot and mouth' doesn't actually kill livestock, they just 'fail to thrive', C-19 will weaken us
Cousin, no health issues, aged 52, dead OF Covid, wife 51 on and off a ventilator, with Covid.
Most over 60's I know are already being very careful.
Relax restrictions and the lower age groups will have more deaths!
Most over 60's I know are already being very careful.
Relax restrictions and the lower age groups will have more deaths!
There are plenty of people who were lucky enough to keep working, and many from home, through the pandemic, earning full wage, but no travel costs & no events/holidays etc.. to spend their money on. There is £billions out there burning holes in peoples pockets just waiting for the green light!
This is very true - try getting a tradesman for any kind of work and you are quoted a 3 to 4 week wait minimum
Why do we have stories like this, and "I can't get my wine delivered from Europe" as headline stories on the BBC page, yet no mention of the announcement of a £3.6bn factory in Blyth, Northumberland to build Britain's first battery gigaplant?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
No mention of the fact Heathrow will be back to using both runways from Monday due to increased demand.A positive for the staff working for the airlines and airport but not for the BBC.
If you look, you will find that they did report it. 2 clicks was all it took me. Honestly, do people in this country do any diligence before they rant these days....?
Hmm. Firstly, it is mentioned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55263255 But a £3.6bn start up that's allegedly going to take on already established players despite having no obvious unique technological advantage (and that has already shelved one proposed investment location) does make some a little sceptical
Where's the money for that factory? where are the designs, the plans, the technology?
The company behind the scam, sorry scheme, has £250K and is run by a couple of wannabe financiers with no relevant experience. But Johson will be quite happy to spend billions of taxpayers money on it to bribe his read wall voters.
The company behind the scam, sorry scheme, has £250K and is run by a couple of wannabe financiers with no relevant experience. But Johson will be quite happy to spend billions of taxpayers money on it to bribe his read wall voters.
Wait until January when the BBC Photo Library will dig out those 2018 wagon queues at Dover for the mischievous hacks to continue pressing their lost causes.
It was reported https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55263255
how about the raw materials mined by children....that negative enough for you, electric cars are another expensive lie.
Wow! I must've missed your research paper, and these 'facts'
The recent papers I've been following are speculating on the long term health implications for those who've survived C-19 infection. Read any? Thought not!
T4 closing is long term
C-19 should be regarded as debilitating, in the same way that 'foot and mouth' doesn't actually kill livestock, they just 'fail to thrive', C-19 will weaken us
The recent papers I've been following are speculating on the long term health implications for those who've survived C-19 infection. Read any? Thought not!
T4 closing is long term
C-19 should be regarded as debilitating, in the same way that 'foot and mouth' doesn't actually kill livestock, they just 'fail to thrive', C-19 will weaken us
Hmm. I suspect you only read newspapers / online news and only if they reinforce your view. If you were to read science papers you’d see that many media views on Covid do not have a scientific basis
I wonder how many people on these comments moaning about this voted leave....
Why did the COUNTRY then vote Conservative at the General Election? We only have one voting system in the UK.
Nothing to do with a global pandemic resulting in massive travel restrictions?
Why do we have stories like this, and "I can't get my wine delivered from Europe" as headline stories on the BBC page, yet no mention of the announcement of a £3.6bn factory in Blyth, Northumberland to build Britain's first battery gigaplant?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
I, for one, will be having a minimum of 4 holidays next year to make up for the ones I missed this year.
Additionally, I look forward to visiting my European clients on numerous occasions throughout 2021 to secure work which will pay for those holidays.
Aircraft travel isn't 'surplus to requirements', far from it - it is essential in the modern world
Additionally, I look forward to visiting my European clients on numerous occasions throughout 2021 to secure work which will pay for those holidays.
Aircraft travel isn't 'surplus to requirements', far from it - it is essential in the modern world
I have three trips rolled over to 2021. Plus at least one more.
I have three trips lined up - Namibia, West Coast USA, Spain. Hoping I can get the vaccine before the first!
Why do we have stories like this, and "I can't get my wine delivered from Europe" as headline stories on the BBC page, yet no mention of the announcement of a £3.6bn factory in Blyth, Northumberland to build Britain's first battery gigaplant?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
I wonder how many people on these comments moaning about this voted leave....
Because Corbyn was not acceptable to a very large proportion of the electorate.
Because the choices were a bullet in the head for a quick bye-bye or being boiled alive.
Fact: over 50% of the COUNTRY voted AGAINST the Conservatives.
The voting system in the UK is rigged to disenfranchise the majority, which is why the country is divided.
The voting system in the UK is rigged to disenfranchise the majority, which is why the country is divided.
No we don't, we have loads of different voting systems, the House of Commons is elected by the FPTP system.
In London they use the instant run off system to elect their mayor.
In Scotland they use the additional member system for the Scottish Parliament and their councils use the dHondt system.
English councils use the multi member system, Northern Ireland Assembly has PR and uses the STV system.
In London they use the instant run off system to elect their mayor.
In Scotland they use the additional member system for the Scottish Parliament and their councils use the dHondt system.
English councils use the multi member system, Northern Ireland Assembly has PR and uses the STV system.
I wonder how many people on these comments moaning about this voted leave....
From building another runway to closing down a terminal. I'm no economist, but I think it is safe to say we've dark days ahead.
There needs to be a rethink about cramming passengers into any form of mass transport
There won't be any guaranteed safety from C-19, and it's continued transmission, until some kind of enclosed 'bubble', not dependent on shared air, is developed
No bright person will risk the proximity to random crowds again!
Being inoculated doesn't stop transmission!
T4 closing is a natural consequence of this.
There won't be any guaranteed safety from C-19, and it's continued transmission, until some kind of enclosed 'bubble', not dependent on shared air, is developed
No bright person will risk the proximity to random crowds again!
Being inoculated doesn't stop transmission!
T4 closing is a natural consequence of this.
Presumably not travelling by bus/train. Also not visiting any indoor attractions.
Why do we have stories like this, and "I can't get my wine delivered from Europe" as headline stories on the BBC page, yet no mention of the announcement of a £3.6bn factory in Blyth, Northumberland to build Britain's first battery gigaplant?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Hmm. Firstly, it is mentioned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55263255 But a £3.6bn start up that's allegedly going to take on already established players despite having no obvious unique technological advantage (and that has already shelved one proposed investment location) does make some a little sceptical
Why did the COUNTRY then vote Conservative at the General Election? We only have one voting system in the UK.
Well, that's a goodly number of jobs down the toilet, and maybe a few business closures.
Can't help wondering how many terminals Sweden will be closing. I expect it will be a round number.
Can't help wondering how many terminals Sweden will be closing. I expect it will be a round number.
Typical BBC to focus on a negative story. Why not have that new proposed development at Blyth, Northumberland creating so many jobs given a significantly increased headline. But that’s positive and does not fit with the fear and terror spreading policy of the leftists at the BBC
Cant see you really ever needing it again after Sunday...
Why did the COUNTRY then vote Conservative at the General Election? We only have one voting system in the UK.
They will, but its not like they'll do 4 holidays each to make up for lost time, they'll maybe do one (if they can afford it)
I, for one, will be having a minimum of 4 holidays next year to make up for the ones I missed this year.
Additionally, I look forward to visiting my European clients on numerous occasions throughout 2021 to secure work which will pay for those holidays.
Aircraft travel isn't 'surplus to requirements', far from it - it is essential in the modern world
Additionally, I look forward to visiting my European clients on numerous occasions throughout 2021 to secure work which will pay for those holidays.
Aircraft travel isn't 'surplus to requirements', far from it - it is essential in the modern world
Well said! I've already cancelled my foreign holiday this year and will take 2 seperate weeks in the UK instead
Typical BBC to focus on a negative story. Why not have that new proposed development at Blyth, Northumberland creating so many jobs given a significantly increased headline. But that’s positive and does not fit with the fear and terror spreading policy of the leftists at the BBC
They will, but its not like they'll do 4 holidays each to make up for lost time, they'll maybe do one (if they can afford it)
Aircraft travel has proven more and more “surplus to requirements”.
I have been flying regularly in lockdown my kids live in NI how else am I meant to see them unless Boris builds a bridge? Many families have had to travel i.e. sick parents in other countries such as India. The world keeps turning and people still need to get on and do things! At some point people will just get on with living rather than festering at home!
Great photo at the top with plane and signboard. It's an Air Serbia 737.
Wow! I must've missed your research paper, and these 'facts'
The recent papers I've been following are speculating on the long term health implications for those who've survived C-19 infection. Read any? Thought not!
T4 closing is long term
C-19 should be regarded as debilitating, in the same way that 'foot and mouth' doesn't actually kill livestock, they just 'fail to thrive', C-19 will weaken us
The recent papers I've been following are speculating on the long term health implications for those who've survived C-19 infection. Read any? Thought not!
T4 closing is long term
C-19 should be regarded as debilitating, in the same way that 'foot and mouth' doesn't actually kill livestock, they just 'fail to thrive', C-19 will weaken us
Never judge others by your own standards, it shows you for what you are! Couldn't be further from the mark anyway, I abhor echo chambers, unlike many here & took a break for 7 months to read more. A few months ago I returned to discover that the 'deluded' are still in thrall to the billionaires who conned them into wanting brexit. They'll mostly be dead before they can acknowledge they were duped!
Why do we have stories like this, and "I can't get my wine delivered from Europe" as headline stories on the BBC page, yet no mention of the announcement of a £3.6bn factory in Blyth, Northumberland to build Britain's first battery gigaplant?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Where's the money for that factory? where are the designs, the plans, the technology?
The company behind the scam, sorry scheme, has £250K and is run by a couple of wannabe financiers with no relevant experience. But Johson will be quite happy to spend billions of taxpayers money on it to bribe his read wall voters.
The company behind the scam, sorry scheme, has £250K and is run by a couple of wannabe financiers with no relevant experience. But Johson will be quite happy to spend billions of taxpayers money on it to bribe his read wall voters.
A third world country won't be needing that 3rd runway either.
Luckily the UK is not and will not be a 3rd world country.
Why did the COUNTRY then vote Conservative at the General Election? We only have one voting system in the UK.
no need for second runway at Heathrow then, should revert to expanding regional airports with links into HS2
Hub
From building another runway to closing down a terminal. I'm no economist, but I think it is safe to say we've dark days ahead.
Why did the COUNTRY then vote Conservative at the General Election? We only have one voting system in the UK.
You mean that over 50% of the people that voted, voted for parties that were not the Conservatives.
But the Conservatives got the highest number of seats in the House of Commons and they got more than all the others put together so they govern even though only got 43.6% of the votes.
What's the alternative? a PR system would satisfy nobody.
But the Conservatives got the highest number of seats in the House of Commons and they got more than all the others put together so they govern even though only got 43.6% of the votes.
What's the alternative? a PR system would satisfy nobody.
Why did the COUNTRY then vote Conservative at the General Election? We only have one voting system in the UK.
No we don't, we have loads of different voting systems, the House of Commons is elected by the FPTP system.
In London they use the instant run off system to elect their mayor.
In Scotland they use the additional member system for the Scottish Parliament and their councils use the dHondt system.
English councils use the multi member system, Northern Ireland Assembly has PR and uses the STV system.
In London they use the instant run off system to elect their mayor.
In Scotland they use the additional member system for the Scottish Parliament and their councils use the dHondt system.
English councils use the multi member system, Northern Ireland Assembly has PR and uses the STV system.
Why do we have stories like this, and "I can't get my wine delivered from Europe" as headline stories on the BBC page, yet no mention of the announcement of a £3.6bn factory in Blyth, Northumberland to build Britain's first battery gigaplant?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
Is it because the BBC can't put a negative spin on it?
You mean that over 50% of the people that voted, voted for parties that were not the Conservatives.
But the Conservatives got the highest number of seats in the House of Commons and they got more than all the others put together so they govern even though only got 43.6% of the votes.
What's the alternative? a PR system would satisfy nobody.
But the Conservatives got the highest number of seats in the House of Commons and they got more than all the others put together so they govern even though only got 43.6% of the votes.
What's the alternative? a PR system would satisfy nobody.
No Tourist tax, drop the UK APD and start working with other countries to open up travel. Heaven alone knows why Shapps was told to refuse the US request to start up air travel. Funny the UK government has never come out in the open and admitted that. Then poor old Rishi has to sort out the mess, the pandemic policies of UK isolationism have caused.
Shopping at airports is a rip off anyway, duty free drinks etc at much more than duty paid prices. Don't even mention the luxury goods. I'm fine with Cafes, restaurants and pubs but the rest just make the trudge to the departure gates endless.
If Heathrow is to have a third runway, now is the time to build it while it's not needed at the moment. Southampton Airport is struggling to get a 164m runway extension at the northern end due to environmental issues, so something tells me a third runway at Heathrow isn't going to happen in my lifetime
About time we got back to normal and saved our economy now, https://liberty2019.org
In 1993 there were apprx 300m passenger numbers flying across Europe
Just pre pandemic, that had risen to around 1,000m due to changes to flying regs, reduced prices subsidised aviation fuel etc
Fly got to cheap & too easy
Business trips will never go back to what they were, business's have found they save a fortune with video tech instead of sending folk all over the world for 'meetings'.
Just pre pandemic, that had risen to around 1,000m due to changes to flying regs, reduced prices subsidised aviation fuel etc
Fly got to cheap & too easy
Business trips will never go back to what they were, business's have found they save a fortune with video tech instead of sending folk all over the world for 'meetings'.
Aviation fuel is not subsidised . It is just not taxed, that is a rather important difference.
Why is transport and connectivity too cheap? Cheaper the better for humanity.
‘Global Britain’ ?
Now there IS an Oxymoron.
Now there IS an Oxymoron.
The pandemic swept around the World, last January, via the close proximity of passengers
They were breathing shared, 'infrequently changed' recycled air in tightly packed flights, for hours on end
Before they'd left, and after they'd landed, they fought through crowded transport hubs at airports, train stations and ports
Why's anyone surprised this practice, and T4, has stopped being popular?
Wow!
They were breathing shared, 'infrequently changed' recycled air in tightly packed flights, for hours on end
Before they'd left, and after they'd landed, they fought through crowded transport hubs at airports, train stations and ports
Why's anyone surprised this practice, and T4, has stopped being popular?
Wow!
Looking world-wide, it's rather telling that those areas where a lot of travel (not just by air) takes place (Europe, North & South America, West Indies) by a broad population demographic, the rates are highest. Of course there will be exceptions/anomalies, there are obviously other factors too.
Less travel is a good idea, but deciding how a rationing system should work is worth another HYS.
Less travel is a good idea, but deciding how a rationing system should work is worth another HYS.
The simplest 'rationing' is by price. Tax travel very highly. There is no excuse for almost all of it these days. The bigger problems got going due to 'cheap flights'.
That said if you wish to create a non money rationing system it will be complicated. Issue a 'milage by air' ration book? Could then be tradeable, help the poor, sell ration to the rich. Issue decreasing ration every year.
That said if you wish to create a non money rationing system it will be complicated. Issue a 'milage by air' ration book? Could then be tradeable, help the poor, sell ration to the rich. Issue decreasing ration every year.
About time we got back to normal and saved our economy now, https://liberty2019.org
As much as vaccines are positive news, the skies will only open up again once rapid testing is in place. If terminals can become almost covid free bubbles, receiving countries will then have confidence to receive tourists again.
As a hotel owner in Thailand, I'm not expecting tourists on my beach until next Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all, hope to see you in the warm next year!
As a hotel owner in Thailand, I'm not expecting tourists on my beach until next Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all, hope to see you in the warm next year!
Changes and compromises must happen, if we are to tackle global warming.
A cut in aviation is one of them. If we have learned anything at all from lockdown, it is that MUCH less travel is necessary; most of us have learned how to work in different ways. This must be maintained.
Frequent flyers from now on must be taxed and penalised, certainly not rewarded with points and air miles.
A cut in aviation is one of them. If we have learned anything at all from lockdown, it is that MUCH less travel is necessary; most of us have learned how to work in different ways. This must be maintained.
Frequent flyers from now on must be taxed and penalised, certainly not rewarded with points and air miles.
No need for a cut in aviation, just changes in technology and suitable offsetting.
I'm a frequent flyer, but even if I flew LHR to NYC & back every week I wouldn't emit as much CO2 as others who, for instance, have chosen to have more than two children.
In fact, as I chose to have no children I can never emit as much CO2 as those who have even chosen to have one. Choices, choices.
I'm a frequent flyer, but even if I flew LHR to NYC & back every week I wouldn't emit as much CO2 as others who, for instance, have chosen to have more than two children.
In fact, as I chose to have no children I can never emit as much CO2 as those who have even chosen to have one. Choices, choices.
There were certainly a lot of companies who were stuck in the past with respect to working practices. However some people have to travel (by air) for work, and just taxing them to oblivion is not the answer. There needs to be a better alternative.
When is Boris laying down in front of the bulldozer?
closing down t4 a Big Mistake good transport links and not all packed in to the centre big mistake for a other year yet an other screw up.
Is this a case of terminal decline?
If Heathrow is to have a third runway, now is the time to build it while it's not needed at the moment. Southampton Airport is struggling to get a 164m runway extension at the northern end due to environmental issues, so something tells me a third runway at Heathrow isn't going to happen in my lifetime
1947 ??? I didn't know that. I know T5 took an eternity to get built
Good; its not needed - add a 2nd to gatwick - restore some competition and spread flights out over very congested areas. Only thick rich tories who think the flights won't bother me in my 2nd/3rd/4th house think its a good idea. Could we export thick tories? we certainly have more of them than we need...
When is Boris laying down in front of the bulldozer?
Is this a case of terminal decline?
So why is the Chancellor allocating £100 Billion for HS2 in the coming years ?
The psychology of humanity is such that if someone tells them something they are so ready to believe them (how else could explain some ridiculous view held by a lot of people - we all know examples).
As soon as the green light appears people will flood back - if they have the money
This is the big caveat
And business?
Why would anyone fly again.