Climate change: Covid drives record emissions drop in 2020
11/12/2020 | news | science | 425
The world has seen the biggest annual fall in CO2 emissions since World War Two, say researchers.
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11/12/2020 09:54:07 25 28
bbc
Is it time to re-name the BBC the Ministry of the Bleedin obvious?
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11/12/2020 10:13:26 5 8
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You mean that hasn't already happened?
My family have been calling them that for some time........
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11/12/2020 10:13:57 8 1
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I think it’s an interesting article. For example, I didn’t think that China’s emissions may have actually gone up in 2020, so the article isn’t “bleedin’ obvious” at all.
One minute they're stating the bleedin obvious, the next minute they've got some kind of "liberal" "agenda", then they're the Brussel Broadcasting Corporation, then the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, then a Tory mouthpiece, then a Labour mouthpiece...

The problem is, when you are chartered to represent all points of view, people have to hear ones they don't agree with, and they don't like it.
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12/12/2020 08:40:05 2 0
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Then you can have no complaint with what it says.
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11/12/2020 09:54:41 15 15
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Good. Going forward people need to fly less. So many people spend lots to fly thousands of miles away, yet don't even know what is on their own doorstep, what history, what culture, what natural beauty, what wildlife. Flying should be an occasional and special experience, not taken for granted.
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11/12/2020 10:01:22 9 19
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Hippies can stay home, the rest of us will fly where and when we want to.
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11/12/2020 10:40:09 2 3
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I'll be off to the US as soon as restrictions are lifted & it'll be First Class all the way this time.
I'll start caring when governments & the UN address the elephant in the room that is a global population of twice the sustainable number.
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11/12/2020 09:57:59 11 4
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Well at least some good has come out of the horrendous pandemic, just very upsetting so many have had to die to achieve this emissions drop. Sure there could have been an easier way!!!
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11/12/2020 10:27:20 19 6
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A lot more people will die in the future if we don't sustain this emissions drop.
Well, there's some chance everyone will die if we do nothing.
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11/12/2020 10:45:43 0 1
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Don't buy anything made in China, where they're INCREASING coal fired generating capacity on a massive scale.
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11/12/2020 09:59:03 34 19
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China! Polluters to the World!
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11/12/2020 10:03:00 14 35
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Another sweeping Trump like statement.
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11/12/2020 10:26:01 8 4
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Us buying most of our manufactured goods from China puts just as much blood and soot on our hands, as theirs.
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11/12/2020 11:02:53 3 2
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But equally, who are we in the west to deny China the chance of progress. All developed nations had an industrial revolution and filthed the place up for decades. Admittedly if China wasn't communist, it may accept more help from the west in attaining it's goals in a cleaner, greener, fashion, but we're no saints on that score to be fair.
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11/12/2020 11:40:35 4 1
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Co2 per person way below the us who ditched the Paris accord
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11/12/2020 10:01:08 9 4
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No s**t Sherlock
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11/12/2020 10:01:19 21 2
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Although this pandemic has been awful for a lot of people we should look at what we can learn from it, such as ways to reduce the impact to the environment from working smarter.
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11/12/2020 14:02:45 3 0
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Its the same as 9/11. when that occured all flight in USA was cut off, what was discovered is that days where actually hotter but nights colder. This has shown that reducing travel by meetings online, reduces pollution drastically. But green energy still needs a way to go to be better than fossil fuels from an energy efficacy perspective
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11/12/2020 09:54:41 15 15
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Good. Going forward people need to fly less. So many people spend lots to fly thousands of miles away, yet don't even know what is on their own doorstep, what history, what culture, what natural beauty, what wildlife. Flying should be an occasional and special experience, not taken for granted.
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11/12/2020 10:01:22 9 19
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Hippies can stay home, the rest of us will fly where and when we want to.
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11/12/2020 10:13:05 4 3
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No problem with that.
We just need the subsidies from the taxpayer removed.
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11/12/2020 10:20:49 2 1
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Hippies? They were over in the 60`s!
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11/12/2020 11:36:41 1 0
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Happy to be with the hippies :-)!.not missed air travel (work largely) at all, and the thought of doing it now with masks/PPE/Rationed Toilet use etc is very un-appealing! Could easily see with all the extra virus controls on top of security it could be 3 or 4 hours of wasted life just getting to the plane. Family wise we have excluded any idea of flying until 2022 min..it just sounds horrid!!
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12/12/2020 13:03:01 0 0
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Is a hippie someone who would like a decent life for their children, and non-hippies those who don’t give a toss
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11/12/2020 10:01:24 19 10
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Global problem needs global solution - not piecemeal action by a handful of countries on "done my bit"
Volvo state "green" battery car takes 10 tonnes more C02 to make than ICE car. Which country therefore emits the CO2? manufacturer or the user country that then discounts CO2 form ICE emission?
Some countries balance books while the battery car is a net producer of CO2 in its lifetime.
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11/12/2020 10:17:31 16 1
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If Volvo are correct, then the battery car would have to be driven approx. 52,000 miles before it broke even with a combustion car. Assuming it was only recharged with renewable electricity.
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11/12/2020 10:19:07 2 4
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Don't all cars have a battery though?
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11/12/2020 10:25:53 4 2
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Not your point, but that means if the BEV is run entirely on renewable electricity, it takes about 60,000 miles to balance that 10 tonnes of CO2 against an ICE emitting 100g/km.
Can you provide a source for Volvo's claim? Because I sure as hell can't find one via Google.
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11/12/2020 10:54:39 1 1
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Some very interesting comparisons regarding EV vs ICE here: https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life-cycle-GHG_ICCT-Briefing_09022018_vF.pdf

Lifetime emissions depend very much on the source of the power used to charge the battery - Germany's continuing, stubborn reliance on cheap fossil fuel power generation meaning EV's there are MORE polluting than ICE.
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11/12/2020 11:42:57 3 0
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There's no point comparing electric cars with ICE cars at this juncture. We are not at the final iteration of the electric car or the batteries. They will get better. They will get greener. We're at the equivalent of the 1930s when it comes to electric cars and their development.
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11/12/2020 13:36:51 2 0
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CO2 from battery production comes largely from drying the electrolyte, so it depends on the fuel source at the battery company's power station. You'll get more than a 10x variation in that figure depending on whether it's coal, gas or renewable.

Your specific number comes from a very dubious report:

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/aston-martin-ceo-distances-himself-questionable-ev-report
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12/12/2020 12:35:41 0 0
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11/12/2020 10:01:48 13 3
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It'll be worse than before when everyone goes back to work and drives to avoid catching Covid on public transport. Traffic in the UK is basically limited by how much congestion people can tolerate, and tolerance is flexible.
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11/12/2020 10:02:00 0 6
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So emissions have fallen slightly but I bet the actual level of CO2 has increased and I bet the increase is more than it was last year!
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11/12/2020 09:59:03 34 19
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China! Polluters to the World!
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11/12/2020 10:03:00 14 35
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Another sweeping Trump like statement.
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11/12/2020 10:07:52 12 3
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Maybe, but no point hiding from the facts, because sadly It's true. China is the pariah of the world.
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11/12/2020 10:17:55 4 3
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Do you have another scapegoat lined up for January?
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11/12/2020 10:46:58 4 1
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Oh dear...

That's actually amusing, as the statement happens to be true.
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MM
11/12/2020 11:02:28 2 0
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But it is true along with their shocking human rights abuses but hey-ho, as long as we can all buy that power drill for 15 pounds eh....
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11/12/2020 10:03:36 7 9
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Cool, all it cost us was our entire way of life.
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11/12/2020 10:41:01 1 1
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Ah, good old fashioned British sarcasm. I feel nice and cosy now. If this were a Bottom script... "British sarcasm - best in the world".
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MVP
11/12/2020 10:04:41 66 8
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If one good things comes from this pandemic then hopefully it is that we will all re-consider the way that we work and shop.

The COVID 19 crisis is temporary but the damage we are doing to the earth is permanent and must be reversed if we are to survive.
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col
11/12/2020 11:44:28 16 4
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Solar is cost effective, offshore wind is cost effective. Fusion is looking potentially profitable. Hydrogen is going to be the fuel of commercial transport, because it will be profitable.

Being Green is going to make people money.

The profit motive is going to help save the planet.

Nature/evolution gave us a streak of greed and self interest for a reason, it helps us survive.
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11/12/2020 15:59:35 0 0
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nope.

things will only change if they h-a-v-e t-o.

"vague emissions promise by 2050". that isn't "have to"

dumping large quantities of the sahara desert onto politicians jags

thats "have to". but that won't change the jags, that will change the tax on 1.2 litre renault clio's
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12/12/2020 11:48:34 0 0
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UK Government should stop funding biomass power stations such as Drax in North Yorks. They burn wood pellets made from trees cut down in forests such as Canada and USA. Even though a new tree is planted for every tree that is felled, it is still crazy environmental behaviour.
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Jim
11/12/2020 10:05:35 3 4
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This is clearly good news, but it's worth noting that the conspiracy theorists now see this as one of the underlying aims of the "planned" Covid pandemic.
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11/12/2020 10:39:35 0 1
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They're gonna get us... AAAAAAARRGHHHH!!!!!! etc.
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11/12/2020 10:03:00 14 35
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Another sweeping Trump like statement.
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11/12/2020 10:07:52 12 3
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Maybe, but no point hiding from the facts, because sadly It's true. China is the pariah of the world.
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11/12/2020 11:08:41 4 0
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Principally they are making the stuff that US/ Europe want, but aren't willing to pay a decent price for. We do need to look at ourselves first and lead by example.
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11/12/2020 10:08:19 5 2
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In other words we can't have our cake and eat it?
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11/12/2020 10:09:29 114 8
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Stop buying so much Chinese tat.
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Tv
11/12/2020 10:11:52 34 3
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Yes!
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11/12/2020 10:23:24 14 7
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It's not all tat anymore though (if you are prepared to pay for middle of the range). That's the point. That's why the U.S. is so worried. China now produces many products that are of perfectly acceptable quality. They aren't on track to become the world's largest economy for no reason!
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11/12/2020 10:38:57 9 7
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It always comes down to public behaviour. It's the same with the high street being destroyed by the likes of Amazon. If we don't want that to happen then we should avoid buying from the likes of Amazon. the government should not go down the like of protectionism and that just becomes inefficient. People need to make choices.
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11/12/2020 11:00:39 15 7
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Stop squirting out kids !
The only way we are really going to solve this is to reduce population.

Oi, GREENS, stop talking about your Kids, Kids/Kids, and stop breeding if you want to save the planet.
Hypocrites.
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11/12/2020 10:59:21 16 2
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Why does it matter if it's Chinese or not? Just stop buying things you don't really need! Chinese, British or otherwise!
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11/12/2020 11:39:17 8 5
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You don’t understand. Many people can’t afford anything else because their wages are so low. The right want lower wages for the staff so the bosses can earn more profit for their company.

The right need low prices so people can afford things. The Chinese are doing what we are trying to do with Brexit - lower standards and “red tape” to make things cheaper.

Race to the bottom
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11/12/2020 12:02:11 3 1
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I looked at some expensive, high quality, Le Cruset pans..........made in China.
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11/12/2020 13:45:50 1 2
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What about the 650 billion dollars worth of high end computer, astronomy and medical equipment?
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11/12/2020 18:49:10 2 0
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Or, simply stop buying stuff you really don’t need, regardless of where it’s from
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12/12/2020 13:11:20 0 0
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Yes, there is plenty of Chinese tat. There is also very high quality produce, made in China and other countries. These products are "label engineered" in the West by virtually all major brands. What needs to happen is the counterfeiting of quality goods by the Chinese producers leaking information out to the cloning factories has to stop.
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11/12/2020 10:09:29 114 8
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Stop buying so much Chinese tat.
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Tv
11/12/2020 10:11:52 34 3
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Yes!
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11/12/2020 10:01:22 9 19
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Hippies can stay home, the rest of us will fly where and when we want to.
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11/12/2020 10:13:05 4 3
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No problem with that.
We just need the subsidies from the taxpayer removed.
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11/12/2020 10:24:30 2 4
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What subsidies? Fossil fuels are taxed to the hilt and a lot of the creamed off money goes to the uneconomic renewable energy complex.
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11/12/2020 10:41:13 0 1
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There aren't any.
30% of the fare I pay is taxes & fees of one form or another.
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11/12/2020 10:13:15 9 10
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Human induced emissions of CO2 are a miniscule fraction of those of nature. There really is no problem. The green religion of "climate change" ignores some very basic stuff.
1. Water Vapour comprises 95% of the Greenhouse Effect.
2. In geological history CO2 has never driven Earth's climate.
3. Life has flourished on our planet with far higher temperatures and atmospheric CO2 levels.
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11/12/2020 11:33:33 2 1
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Climate change is not a planetary problem. It's a mankind problem as it will reduce drastically where it is comfortable for us to live. We are evolved for a certain temperature range. Start going out of that and we get problems.
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11/12/2020 09:54:07 25 28
bbc
Is it time to re-name the BBC the Ministry of the Bleedin obvious?
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11/12/2020 10:13:26 5 8
bbc
You mean that hasn't already happened?
My family have been calling them that for some time........
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11/12/2020 10:13:37 37 6
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Proof that it can be done. Reduce the use of fossil fuels, import less from abroad and eat food from local, sustainable sources such as English fruit, Welsh lamb and Scottish beef.
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11/12/2020 10:14:58 4 19
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At a cost!
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11/12/2020 10:15:51 2 8
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If only everyone could afford to!
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11/12/2020 10:21:13 1 6
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New Zealand Lamb Only has to be in Wales for 12 hours to be called Welsh Lamb!
Meat in supermarkets is from Brazil imported by Poland bought by Northern Ireland, that's why Nobody in the EU winge's about Rain Forest Depletion in the Amazon.

More Garbage!
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11/12/2020 10:22:19 3 2
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A no deal Brexit might help then, as imports costs are going to skyrocket.
Maybe that is how Boris is going to achieve his green targets.
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11/12/2020 10:36:11 5 1
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Yes. The world has become so decadent in with a "I want it so I'll get it" attitude. Food which is less travelled is better with better animal welfare. We eat much more meat than was ever normal, just because there is so much of it and it's relatively cheap. Buy British & local. All meat should be free range. The price will be higher, but eat less of it. If you have a garden, grow some veg.
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11/12/2020 13:09:29 0 1
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/rural/119759/nz-lamb-has-lower-carbon-footprint-than-uk-lamb-study

'A new British study supports New Zealand's argument that it can produce and ship meat to the other side of the world with a lower carbon footprint than locally-produced meat.'

Sometimes, the obvious answers are wrong. Lifecycle assessment throws out counterintuitive outcomes like this.
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11/12/2020 09:54:07 25 28
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Is it time to re-name the BBC the Ministry of the Bleedin obvious?
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11/12/2020 10:13:57 8 1
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I think it’s an interesting article. For example, I didn’t think that China’s emissions may have actually gone up in 2020, so the article isn’t “bleedin’ obvious” at all.
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11/12/2020 13:47:42 0 1
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Yet they aren't limited to just this article. I said the BBC not this piece specifically. Ho Hum.
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11/12/2020 10:14:00 2 3
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But it is not reducing the concentrations in the atmosphere, see - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55018581, time to start looking else where to find out what is causing it.
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11/12/2020 10:56:06 1 0
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this is why most are confused.Two items..two differing models.
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11/12/2020 13:45:12 0 0
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As this article says, this pandemic year has caused a drop in the /rate of increase/.
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11/12/2020 10:14:41 3 8
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So after centuries of polluting our atmosphere these scientists reckon its reversible by 7% in a couple of lockdowns -6wks or so !

Sounds like an absolute pile of Garbage to me!
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11/12/2020 11:08:28 2 0
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It clearly states EMISSIONS have fallen 7% NOT atmospheric CO2.

Please read the arfticle more carefully.
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11/12/2020 10:14:42 28 7
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Workforce (mainly) want to work more from home
Better for the environment

And yet for some reason they want people to be able to go back to working from offices.

It doesn't seem that hard to make a better choice to me
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11/12/2020 10:21:15 15 12
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But the fragile egos of managers will shatter if they don't get to feel important
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11/12/2020 10:29:03 3 8
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That's fine in principle but working from home isn't the same. Office culture can be important, and many people just won't be as productive. Some people are real skivers. Personally I find it too easy to be distracted at home... he said at his desk on a HYS!
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11/12/2020 10:29:13 5 6
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Speak for yourself, I love cycling to the office and enjoy the segregation between work and home.

Depending on your personality type, working from home can be pretty devastating for your mental health.
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11/12/2020 12:08:31 3 2
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Not everyone works in an office - shops, factories, farms, building sites,etc.
Take off your urban binoculars.
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11/12/2020 10:13:37 37 6
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Proof that it can be done. Reduce the use of fossil fuels, import less from abroad and eat food from local, sustainable sources such as English fruit, Welsh lamb and Scottish beef.
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11/12/2020 10:14:58 4 19
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At a cost!
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MM
11/12/2020 11:08:59 3 0
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So be it.

Value not cost.
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11/12/2020 11:01:47 2 1
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Better get used to it.
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11/12/2020 11:28:29 1 2
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Why so? Free of the common agricultural policy UK food should actually come down in price and buying local cuts out most of the freight costs. British farmers ought to get more for their product as well so it's a win win. We don't hear much said about the benefits of leaving the CAP, but together with the CFP these were the worst things about EU membership.
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11/12/2020 12:02:58 1 2
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At an unsustainable cost too.
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11/12/2020 16:39:53 1 0
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It only costs more because future environmental damage is discounted to zero. You want to pay less now and make someone in the future clean up your mess.
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11/12/2020 10:15:17 38 6
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There are two ways we can make other countries less polluting to help combat climate change going forward: firstly, stop buying the bulk of our imports from them, at least until they get their emissions down, and secondly by introducing and promoting green technology ourselves so as to lead by example.
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11/12/2020 10:49:21 22 4
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There are two facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Solution is to protect the world's forests and refrain from procreation.
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11/12/2020 11:10:15 0 3
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You missed off getting everyone to stop breeding as much...
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12/12/2020 19:13:41 1 0
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Yes, those are two ways to encourage other countries. Also: border carbon tariffs on high-carbon imports, making sure companies disclose climate-related risks, general diplomacy, and ensuring all aid and export finance is for low-carbon projects.

The good news is the UK today confirmed at the 'Climate Ambition Summit', it would (finally) stop supporting overseas fossil fuel (FF) projects.
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11/12/2020 10:15:47 25 11
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the elephant in the room with regard to emissions is that there are too many people coming to live on such a small island
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11/12/2020 10:26:50 18 6
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That's been the case for years and is a serious issue. The UK population would be falling were it not for immigration. Immigrants also do not spread out evenly - England has a higher population density than India. The pressure on public services is huge and we cannot feed ourselves. We need to be able to have the conversation without people being accused of xenophobia, racism etc.
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11/12/2020 12:04:41 5 4
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We are not crammed in despite what Brexit supporting xenophobes claim.
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11/12/2020 12:40:05 1 6
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Which is one of many good reasons for voting for Brexit. And for not risking a Labour government ever again - it was Blair opened the floodgates.
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11/12/2020 10:13:37 37 6
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Proof that it can be done. Reduce the use of fossil fuels, import less from abroad and eat food from local, sustainable sources such as English fruit, Welsh lamb and Scottish beef.
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11/12/2020 10:15:51 2 8
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If only everyone could afford to!
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11/12/2020 16:40:07 2 0
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Nobody can afford not to.
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jay
11/12/2020 10:15:57 7 4
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are you ready to be priced off the road ......look mum a toll booth .....
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11/12/2020 10:17:15 25 2
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I imagine the use of disposable plastic has skyrocketed, though.
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11/12/2020 11:37:47 3 1
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And poverty (leading to child marriage and increased birth rate), massive deforestation (due to lack of oversight) and I could go on but let's try to be cheery
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12/12/2020 12:08:51 0 0
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the news seems to be concentrating a lot on single-use plastic

how about zero-use plastic? like that starb*ll*x supermarket aisle coffee has a straw with it. that might go straight in the bin
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11/12/2020 10:01:24 19 10
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Global problem needs global solution - not piecemeal action by a handful of countries on "done my bit"
Volvo state "green" battery car takes 10 tonnes more C02 to make than ICE car. Which country therefore emits the CO2? manufacturer or the user country that then discounts CO2 form ICE emission?
Some countries balance books while the battery car is a net producer of CO2 in its lifetime.
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11/12/2020 10:17:31 16 1
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If Volvo are correct, then the battery car would have to be driven approx. 52,000 miles before it broke even with a combustion car. Assuming it was only recharged with renewable electricity.
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11/12/2020 10:21:14 4 1
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Presumably if the battery can't be made with renewable energy, it seems it is very unlikely to be recharged solely with it.
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11/12/2020 10:23:44 3 4
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Renewable energy is abundant in the UK and 52000 miles is not a lot for the lifetime of a car.
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11/12/2020 10:43:03 4 1
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Check out the deforestation in Germany's New Tesla car and Giga factory !
I bet that wont be included in any EV /Petrol/diesel comparison data !
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MM
11/12/2020 11:06:01 0 0
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A car is not just the power train. Most car breakdowns are not due to this piece of equipment..
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12/12/2020 12:50:14 1 0
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isn’t the 50k mile figure sources from a made up “report” released by a PR company linked to the owners of Aston Martin? Anyway the Polestar2 is not comparable to a car released 100g/km you need to compare high end EVs with high end ICE cars.
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11/12/2020 10:17:37 14 3
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I'm loving how much fitter & stronger I have become since starting cycling to work. I'm a key worker with a vulnerable family member at home. I can't take public transport now. I do follow the laws of the road & the Highway code to the letter. I am considerate to other road users. I thank motorists who give me enough space when they pass. All I ask is that all motorists please give cyclists space
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11/12/2020 11:28:56 2 2
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All we want is rule 162 of the highway code to be used. As a cyclist myself, do this and I'll be a happy bunny. Glad your feeling fitter.
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11/12/2020 10:17:43 1 2
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Wow and Wow.

Who would have thought!
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11/12/2020 10:03:00 14 35
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Another sweeping Trump like statement.
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11/12/2020 10:17:55 4 3
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Do you have another scapegoat lined up for January?
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11/12/2020 10:17:57 5 6
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BBC FACT CHECK:
Nature produces 96% of CO2 and was completely unaffected by Covid Lockdowns. Should read that emissions fell by only .0028% as that is 7% of 4%!
This is easily verified against the daily readings of the Keeling Curve, where any signature of human reductions is completely lost as background noise against the annual natural cycle, which is completely unchanged: https://www.co2.earth
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11/12/2020 10:24:01 5 1
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Did you forget to convert back into a percentage?
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11/12/2020 10:33:21 1 1
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Funny, it doesn't look like the graphs on the front page of the site you've linked to say what you are claiming at all...

I thought it was supposed to be the eco-warriors teling porkies about the data?
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11/12/2020 11:05:21 3 2
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This is a common number trick from climate change deniers - nature produces CO2 at some times of the year, and then absorbs it at other times of the year. So nature has a high turnover of CO2, but the *net* CO2 contribution is zero, unlike humans that have a constant year-on-year positive contribution to CO2 levels.
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11/12/2020 10:18:20 88 20
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Never mind cutting CO2, it's our population that's the problem. Two children are enough.
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11/12/2020 10:22:48 58 14
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Back in the 80s we used to think that China's 1-child policy was draconian. Now we see that something similar is required globally, until we find other planets to colonize.
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11/12/2020 10:34:09 11 8
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Not with our current pyramid scheme economic model it isn't.
You need at least 7 workers to support every retiree, and we're drifting further and further away from that target each year.

So you either plug the gap by importing more workers, which high number of pensioners seem to hate, or you have to radically change people's views and expectations of retirement.
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11/12/2020 10:48:38 3 2
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Between everyone?
Actually, two children aren't enough. Biologically, the average breeding couple must produce 2.1 children to sustain the population given Western statistical life expectancies.
I'm not sure how we're supposed to produce 10% of a child though!
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JD
11/12/2020 11:20:51 18 2
bbc
One suggestion is that more than 2 are needed for "sustainability", but that is incorrect. It will ensure the population doesn't drop where in fact it ought to. Fewer people make each member of the population more valuable. We ought to stop glorifying families with 5 or 6 children and absolutely stop test-tube babies. Sustainability is a planet-targeted concept, not a human one.
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11/12/2020 11:21:47 16 3
bbc
Spot on. 7.8bn now, doubling every 50 years or so.

Unless attitudes change, we're heading for horrible times ahead with disease or famine inevitable in the next 100 years or so.

Trying to turn everyone vegetarian and reducing animal populations isn't a solution.
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11/12/2020 11:26:23 14 2
bbc
2 is too many. Needs 1 max for many generations to undo these levels.
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11/12/2020 11:42:32 3 1
bbc
you seem to be behind the times, the current birth rate of the British population is 1.66, we see exactly what my generation (i'm 48) were taught in school, the Chinese population has dropped to 1.5 billion and the Asian and African populations have risen massively to 1.5 billion each, my advise, stop sending food and water!
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11/12/2020 15:46:28 1 6
bbc
The "Overpopulation Lie" again.
You really have sucked up the elite's propagandist nonsense.
The planetcan easily sustain twice its present population (although it won't have to; population will balance out at 11 bn).
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Rob
11/12/2020 17:04:02 2 3
bbc
It's so tedious seeing comments about population that completely ignore facts, made by people desperate to have someone else to blame.

The richest 1% emit twice the carbon of the poorest 50% so don't go looking to poorer countries as scapegoats for a problem that is over-consumption, not over-population.

Most countries aren't having enough children to maintain their population anyway.
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11/12/2020 10:01:24 19 10
bbc
Global problem needs global solution - not piecemeal action by a handful of countries on "done my bit"
Volvo state "green" battery car takes 10 tonnes more C02 to make than ICE car. Which country therefore emits the CO2? manufacturer or the user country that then discounts CO2 form ICE emission?
Some countries balance books while the battery car is a net producer of CO2 in its lifetime.
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11/12/2020 10:19:07 2 4
bbc
Don't all cars have a battery though?
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11/12/2020 10:01:22 9 19
bbc
Hippies can stay home, the rest of us will fly where and when we want to.
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11/12/2020 10:20:49 2 1
bbc
Hippies? They were over in the 60`s!
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11/12/2020 10:13:37 37 6
bbc
Proof that it can be done. Reduce the use of fossil fuels, import less from abroad and eat food from local, sustainable sources such as English fruit, Welsh lamb and Scottish beef.
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11/12/2020 10:21:13 1 6
bbc
New Zealand Lamb Only has to be in Wales for 12 hours to be called Welsh Lamb!
Meat in supermarkets is from Brazil imported by Poland bought by Northern Ireland, that's why Nobody in the EU winge's about Rain Forest Depletion in the Amazon.

More Garbage!
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11/12/2020 11:06:30 3 1
bbc
I think you'll find your claim regarding NZ lamb is what's garbage.
Meat in supermarkets is labelled with its country of origin & I've seen NO Brazilian meat apart from corned beef. All the beef is labelled as either British/UK/Scottish.
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11/12/2020 10:17:31 16 1
bbc
If Volvo are correct, then the battery car would have to be driven approx. 52,000 miles before it broke even with a combustion car. Assuming it was only recharged with renewable electricity.
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11/12/2020 10:21:14 4 1
bbc
Presumably if the battery can't be made with renewable energy, it seems it is very unlikely to be recharged solely with it.
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11/12/2020 10:14:42 28 7
bbc
Workforce (mainly) want to work more from home
Better for the environment

And yet for some reason they want people to be able to go back to working from offices.

It doesn't seem that hard to make a better choice to me
43
11/12/2020 10:21:15 15 12
bbc
But the fragile egos of managers will shatter if they don't get to feel important
371
12/12/2020 08:53:44 2 0
bbc
Many office managers' jobs will go as offices close or downsize, but there is a lot more to management than just overseeing the office cleaning rota.
But managers won't get to show off their company cars, that is true. In fact, the home-working culture means there is no longer any justification for company cars except for those workers who need to travel as part of their job. A good thing, too.
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11/12/2020 10:21:16 2 4
bbc
7%. We close half the world's economy for about four months and CO2 emissions only fall by 7%. Already showing signs of increasing again during the "recovery". Out children and grandchildren are completely doomed.
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Lde
11/12/2020 10:53:01 1 1
bbc
Absolutely, no jobs, nowhere to go, nothing to do. Just exist why not.
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11/12/2020 10:21:43 5 2
bbc
Good old China eh? No-one can be surprised that emissions / pollution levels have fallen in the UK - I'm surprised it isn't a greater margin given the massive reduction in motorised traffic and near empty skies for months, alongside a general trend in reductions anyway. I'm looking forward to seeing the return of factories powered by waterwheels... incredible efficiency so why not?!
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11/12/2020 11:24:28 4 1
bbc
It's always surprised me that somebody hasn't invented a water wheel with a mechanical pump with sufficient capacity to run the wheel with a generator on the side. An almost closed system. If I was an engineering student I'd have a pop at this.
46
11/12/2020 10:21:52 4 8
bbc
The yoghurt knitters will be delighted.
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11/12/2020 10:26:56 7 1
bbc
You can't knit yogurt, you can crochet, but not knit.
22
11/12/2020 10:13:37 37 6
bbc
Proof that it can be done. Reduce the use of fossil fuels, import less from abroad and eat food from local, sustainable sources such as English fruit, Welsh lamb and Scottish beef.
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11/12/2020 10:22:19 3 2
bbc
A no deal Brexit might help then, as imports costs are going to skyrocket.
Maybe that is how Boris is going to achieve his green targets.
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11/12/2020 10:18:20 88 20
bbc
Never mind cutting CO2, it's our population that's the problem. Two children are enough.
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11/12/2020 10:22:48 58 14
bbc
Back in the 80s we used to think that China's 1-child policy was draconian. Now we see that something similar is required globally, until we find other planets to colonize.
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11/12/2020 11:33:28 9 2
bbc
When you think that between 2011 and 2013 China used more concrete than the entire US used between 1901 and 1999, imagine what state the planet would be in if they had not had the 1-child policy.

So much water and green space lost and Covid has just made things worse.
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11/12/2020 13:14:14 4 1
bbc
Suddenly there's a lot of interest in putting men (and women) on the Moon and Mars.
I'm not a fan of China or their methods, but uncontrolled population is the driving force behind much of the planet's ills.
It would be a whole lot easier to look after our own planet than live in a greenhouse somewhere else.
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12/12/2020 08:41:43 2 0
bbc
Even if was feasible to colonise other habitable planets, as we've already wrecked our own planet, it would be immoral for humanity to spread its destructive influence throughout the galaxy. Sooner or later we'd get our comeuppance from the inhabitants of one of those other worlds - with every justification!
373
12/12/2020 09:12:21 0 0
bbc
Mars is too cold to live on but if we have a collective skill set, it's warming a planet...
422
12/12/2020 22:00:43 1 0
bbc
'until we find other planets to colonize'. Not sure if you're serious, but we're not living in a Star Trek universe. 'even one small spaceship [to Proxima Centauri] with a handful of people would require humanity's annual energy supply'.

Population was dealt with sensitively and intelligently by David Attenborough in recent programmes: the solution is mostly empowering young women.
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11/12/2020 10:09:29 114 8
bbc
Stop buying so much Chinese tat.
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11/12/2020 10:23:24 14 7
bbc
It's not all tat anymore though (if you are prepared to pay for middle of the range). That's the point. That's why the U.S. is so worried. China now produces many products that are of perfectly acceptable quality. They aren't on track to become the world's largest economy for no reason!
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MM
11/12/2020 11:00:11 6 1
bbc
Acceptable quality?

But at what cost?
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11/12/2020 11:00:38 13 2
bbc
I've yet to see much in the way of quality come out of China.
It's ALL built as cheaply as possible to comply with the minimum standards set for the design.
Case in point: "Energy saving" LED bulbs with a claimed life of 25,000 or more hours, ALL made in China.
I've had TEN fail this year & none more than 12 months old. One failed last week - installed on October 20th...
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11/12/2020 11:39:41 4 0
bbc
They're on track to be the biggest economy because there's 1.2bn chinese. Per capita they're far short of western economies.
33
11/12/2020 10:17:31 16 1
bbc
If Volvo are correct, then the battery car would have to be driven approx. 52,000 miles before it broke even with a combustion car. Assuming it was only recharged with renewable electricity.
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11/12/2020 10:23:44 3 4
bbc
Renewable energy is abundant in the UK and 52000 miles is not a lot for the lifetime of a car.
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11/12/2020 10:17:57 5 6
bbc
BBC FACT CHECK:
Nature produces 96% of CO2 and was completely unaffected by Covid Lockdowns. Should read that emissions fell by only .0028% as that is 7% of 4%!
This is easily verified against the daily readings of the Keeling Curve, where any signature of human reductions is completely lost as background noise against the annual natural cycle, which is completely unchanged: https://www.co2.earth
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11/12/2020 10:24:01 5 1
bbc
Did you forget to convert back into a percentage?
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11/12/2020 10:13:05 4 3
bbc
No problem with that.
We just need the subsidies from the taxpayer removed.
52
11/12/2020 10:24:30 2 4
bbc
What subsidies? Fossil fuels are taxed to the hilt and a lot of the creamed off money goes to the uneconomic renewable energy complex.
63
11/12/2020 10:28:24 4 1
bbc
You're wrong.

"...aviation kerosene (AVTUR) which is used in jet engines is exempt from tax. "

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00523/SN00523.pdf
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jay
11/12/2020 10:25:18 4 4
bbc
its ok the gov gonna provide everyone with electric cars .....oh i just woke up ,i meant toll booths higher tax and insurance will add there tuppence too ain't life swell ,
wake up everyday to be shafted by your gov ,they break it you pay for it
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11/12/2020 10:01:24 19 10
bbc
Global problem needs global solution - not piecemeal action by a handful of countries on "done my bit"
Volvo state "green" battery car takes 10 tonnes more C02 to make than ICE car. Which country therefore emits the CO2? manufacturer or the user country that then discounts CO2 form ICE emission?
Some countries balance books while the battery car is a net producer of CO2 in its lifetime.
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11/12/2020 10:25:53 4 2
bbc
Not your point, but that means if the BEV is run entirely on renewable electricity, it takes about 60,000 miles to balance that 10 tonnes of CO2 against an ICE emitting 100g/km.
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11/12/2020 09:59:03 34 19
bbc
China! Polluters to the World!
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11/12/2020 10:26:01 8 4
bbc
Us buying most of our manufactured goods from China puts just as much blood and soot on our hands, as theirs.
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11/12/2020 10:43:14 3 1
bbc
Well as a nation I think we do care more, but it is arguably easier for us to say that as a "developed" nation. I'm not sure David Attenborough's Blue Planet etc had quite as much impact in China....
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ljs
11/12/2020 10:26:03 41 5
bbc
Perhaps Mankind is STARTING to get a grip on global warming,

but it is going to be a long haul and many changes are needed.

The main problem politicians have to face is how to REDUCE the human population,

when I was born it was 2.5 billion, it is now 7.5 billion i.e. THREE TIMES as many.

Time to think about one billion, not ten billion.
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11/12/2020 10:30:53 23 34
bbc
So what's your solution then ?

Euthanase anyone over 30, compulsory sterilisation perhaps ?

Bet it won't include you though, just everyone else.
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11/12/2020 10:53:58 8 2
bbc
Indeed!. Two key facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Solution is to protect the world's forests and refrain from procreation.
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11/12/2020 10:56:25 8 0
bbc
Alas, it's a struggle to debate your point scientifically, rather than emotively - as some of the replies show. Nature has it's fail-safes to control animal population - we are animals after all - but we have circumvented these due to vaccines, hospitals, antibiotics, etc, so our numbers are growing with nothing to check them. At some point resources will run out. It will need to be addressed.
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11/12/2020 11:23:13 4 0
bbc
Nature has its own way of dealing with overpopulations of creatures - virus is one of them and Covid might have been effective, but it is only killing thousands not millions. Be in no doubt, more virulent viruses will happen and nature will get its way! We need to reduce the world population by at least a third (2-3 billion) to make any impact on man's excessive use of resources.
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11/12/2020 19:30:35 0 0
bbc
Will you make a contribution to reducing the world's population. No time like the present.
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11/12/2020 20:25:34 0 0
bbc
fingers crossed covid mutates, doomer.
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11/12/2020 10:26:20 3 8
bbc
Great news, i'm gong for a drive to celebrate. Now where shall I go, a castle? But what castle?
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Lde
11/12/2020 10:47:10 1 1
bbc
Try Ora or Burley castle
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11/12/2020 10:15:47 25 11
bbc
the elephant in the room with regard to emissions is that there are too many people coming to live on such a small island
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11/12/2020 10:26:50 18 6
bbc
That's been the case for years and is a serious issue. The UK population would be falling were it not for immigration. Immigrants also do not spread out evenly - England has a higher population density than India. The pressure on public services is huge and we cannot feed ourselves. We need to be able to have the conversation without people being accused of xenophobia, racism etc.
228
11/12/2020 12:10:32 4 3
bbc
No, we don't have a population density higher than India. More Brexit style bow-locks.
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11/12/2020 10:21:52 4 8
bbc
The yoghurt knitters will be delighted.
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11/12/2020 10:26:56 7 1
bbc
You can't knit yogurt, you can crochet, but not knit.
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11/12/2020 10:51:42 1 0
bbc
is it not tatting?
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11/12/2020 10:27:17 3 4
bbc
The virus has brought good new us some areas, just the doom and gloom media love a negative story
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11/12/2020 09:57:59 11 4
bbc
Well at least some good has come out of the horrendous pandemic, just very upsetting so many have had to die to achieve this emissions drop. Sure there could have been an easier way!!!
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11/12/2020 10:27:20 19 6
bbc
A lot more people will die in the future if we don't sustain this emissions drop.
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11/12/2020 10:27:51 2 6
bbc
Next they will be saying that Covid-19 has saved lives........the number of lives saved through lower emissions exceeds the number of lives lost to the virus!!
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11/12/2020 10:24:30 2 4
bbc
What subsidies? Fossil fuels are taxed to the hilt and a lot of the creamed off money goes to the uneconomic renewable energy complex.
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11/12/2020 10:28:24 4 1
bbc
You're wrong.

"...aviation kerosene (AVTUR) which is used in jet engines is exempt from tax. "

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00523/SN00523.pdf
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11/12/2020 10:44:25 0 2
bbc
Maybe so but from your link:

"Air Passenger Duty – which raised £3.4bn in 2017/18 – ensures that the air travel sector contributes to the cost of public services"

No subsidies then...
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11/12/2020 10:14:42 28 7
bbc
Workforce (mainly) want to work more from home
Better for the environment

And yet for some reason they want people to be able to go back to working from offices.

It doesn't seem that hard to make a better choice to me
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11/12/2020 10:29:03 3 8
bbc
That's fine in principle but working from home isn't the same. Office culture can be important, and many people just won't be as productive. Some people are real skivers. Personally I find it too easy to be distracted at home... he said at his desk on a HYS!
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11/12/2020 10:14:42 28 7
bbc
Workforce (mainly) want to work more from home
Better for the environment

And yet for some reason they want people to be able to go back to working from offices.

It doesn't seem that hard to make a better choice to me
65
11/12/2020 10:29:13 5 6
bbc
Speak for yourself, I love cycling to the office and enjoy the segregation between work and home.

Depending on your personality type, working from home can be pretty devastating for your mental health.
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11/12/2020 10:51:55 10 1
bbc
I said mainly. Most people I know prefer to work from home and I work in a large office. Cycling is fine (as is green) but many people can't use green methods to get to work (and don't say public transport is green it only is in certain circumstances)

I also said more working from home. Not necessarily working from home all the time.

It is a balance.
390
12/12/2020 12:10:35 0 0
bbc
I'd say (as much as a vague/abstract "personality type") it depends as much as what job you do, and what your home/home office is like, as much as anything.
66
11/12/2020 10:29:17 3 4
bbc
Even better news, with our EU 'friends', threatening to blockade trucks and planes from the UK, our emissions will go down even more.
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11/12/2020 10:34:53 1 2
bbc
Their Not stopping any Ships/Hgv's to Ireland, A55 Expressway & North Wales coastal water's prove it!
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ljs
11/12/2020 10:26:03 41 5
bbc
Perhaps Mankind is STARTING to get a grip on global warming,

but it is going to be a long haul and many changes are needed.

The main problem politicians have to face is how to REDUCE the human population,

when I was born it was 2.5 billion, it is now 7.5 billion i.e. THREE TIMES as many.

Time to think about one billion, not ten billion.
67
11/12/2020 10:30:53 23 34
bbc
So what's your solution then ?

Euthanase anyone over 30, compulsory sterilisation perhaps ?

Bet it won't include you though, just everyone else.
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11/12/2020 10:35:45 10 1
bbc
That is some 'Logans run' solution right there.

I suggest a bit of Logan's run with a Soylent Green chaser.
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11/12/2020 10:53:11 10 3
bbc
Give me strength!
What we need are leaders capable of seeing that we don't simply need more people, just because we have an ageing population and soon no one to look after them.
The reason we have an ageing population is because of the baby boom, their solution to fix it is to have another!!!
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11/12/2020 10:54:51 3 4
bbc
Men could get the snip. Ronan Keating has shown the way!
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11/12/2020 11:22:00 9 0
bbc
Bit Hysterical...maybe go and have lie down...!...Does not stop the fact it needs to be talked about once we have got people like you to stop screaming about forced life choices. It obviously has to be encouraged not forced, but you cant start having solutions until the problem statement has been made..3x increase in global population in 60 years cannot continue.
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11/12/2020 11:18:05 8 1
bbc
I made the conscious decision not to reproduce.
Based on not having 2 offspring, I estimate this will have saved 1,500t of CO2 emissions
Makes me completely guilt free regarding flying to places, plus I have far more personal wealth available to make these trips. :-)
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11/12/2020 11:46:01 3 2
bbc
Perhaps an engineered mild virus that is barely noticed but sterilises most of those that catch it?

Or a one child policy, have one, and you are sterilised.
Complete ban on up lifestyle migration. Prevent third world development.

Still a little time before mass killing off!
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11/12/2020 13:18:15 1 0
bbc
Children's education is growing but different factions educate differently. We need to spread out gently and be kinder to our planet. It is going to be a challenge to reduce the population but the Earth will deal with that.
338
11/12/2020 20:16:43 1 0
bbc
Birth control
393
12/12/2020 12:53:38 0 1
bbc
The wealthiest 1% are responsible for the same level of emissions as the poorest 50% ! Flying, 2 or more cars, 5 devices, meat based diets, etc.

THE problem is over consumption by the worlds wealthiest !

Bear in mind, the wealthiest 20% are responsible for 80% of consumption - and that we part of the wealthiest 20%.
68
11/12/2020 10:31:31 2 2
bbc
We must be almost back to normal now as the roads are very busy again.
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11/12/2020 10:17:57 5 6
bbc
BBC FACT CHECK:
Nature produces 96% of CO2 and was completely unaffected by Covid Lockdowns. Should read that emissions fell by only .0028% as that is 7% of 4%!
This is easily verified against the daily readings of the Keeling Curve, where any signature of human reductions is completely lost as background noise against the annual natural cycle, which is completely unchanged: https://www.co2.earth
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11/12/2020 10:33:21 1 1
bbc
Funny, it doesn't look like the graphs on the front page of the site you've linked to say what you are claiming at all...

I thought it was supposed to be the eco-warriors teling porkies about the data?
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11/12/2020 10:47:39 1 1
bbc
Have you looked at the atmospheric Co2 levels for 2019???
They are completely unaffected by the Covid Lockdowns and Prove that we have Zero control over atmospheric concentrations once and for all
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11/12/2020 10:51:07 1 1
bbc
See the data for yourself rather than swallowing the constant BBC lies:
https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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11/12/2020 10:18:20 88 20
bbc
Never mind cutting CO2, it's our population that's the problem. Two children are enough.
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11/12/2020 10:34:09 11 8
bbc
Not with our current pyramid scheme economic model it isn't.
You need at least 7 workers to support every retiree, and we're drifting further and further away from that target each year.

So you either plug the gap by importing more workers, which high number of pensioners seem to hate, or you have to radically change people's views and expectations of retirement.
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11/12/2020 11:22:25 6 0
bbc
....or nature steps in and does it for you by reducing the numbers as it always has done since time in memorial.
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11/12/2020 12:15:08 6 1
bbc
This is an excellent point.
The problem is not the numbers being born, we need their work to fund the future. The problem is the rest of us living too long, & (a.) not working, so we are economically unproductive & (b.) not actually healthy, so we cost more to keep going in later life.
Medical advances just keep unhealthy people staggering on for a longer retirement. Sad & controversial, but true.
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12/12/2020 21:50:40 0 0
bbc
Could you supply the source data for that assertion? I'm retired, with a company pension that I and the company paid for while I was working for them. I get the full state pension which is a fraction of that. Why would it need seven workers to pay my pension? Doesn't make sense. The full state pension is well under half the minimum wage for a 40 hour week.
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11/12/2020 10:29:17 3 4
bbc
Even better news, with our EU 'friends', threatening to blockade trucks and planes from the UK, our emissions will go down even more.
71
11/12/2020 10:34:53 1 2
bbc
Their Not stopping any Ships/Hgv's to Ireland, A55 Expressway & North Wales coastal water's prove it!
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11/12/2020 10:36:31 1 2
bbc
No, I shan't
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11/12/2020 10:30:53 23 34
bbc
So what's your solution then ?

Euthanase anyone over 30, compulsory sterilisation perhaps ?

Bet it won't include you though, just everyone else.
72
11/12/2020 10:35:45 10 1
bbc
That is some 'Logans run' solution right there.

I suggest a bit of Logan's run with a Soylent Green chaser.
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11/12/2020 10:44:32 7 3
bbc
Solution is encouraging, through a range of measures, later child birth, increase it from 25 to 33 means 3 generations in a century not 4.
This should come naturally through education and opportunity
Nothing should be forced on people.
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11/12/2020 10:13:37 37 6
bbc
Proof that it can be done. Reduce the use of fossil fuels, import less from abroad and eat food from local, sustainable sources such as English fruit, Welsh lamb and Scottish beef.
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11/12/2020 10:36:11 5 1
bbc
Yes. The world has become so decadent in with a "I want it so I'll get it" attitude. Food which is less travelled is better with better animal welfare. We eat much more meat than was ever normal, just because there is so much of it and it's relatively cheap. Buy British & local. All meat should be free range. The price will be higher, but eat less of it. If you have a garden, grow some veg.
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11/12/2020 10:36:14 2 9
bbc
Sadly levels in the body are on the up, due to the masks we are all wearing .
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11/12/2020 11:28:40 1 1
bbc
Utter unscientific nonsense.
75
11/12/2020 10:36:17 2 6
bbc
‘Harmful emissions kill 40,000 a year’. When you boil that down those are early deaths, and by about 8 days earlier. Maybe we should report CoVID the same way?
71
11/12/2020 10:34:53 1 2
bbc
Their Not stopping any Ships/Hgv's to Ireland, A55 Expressway & North Wales coastal water's prove it!
76
11/12/2020 10:36:31 1 2
bbc
No, I shan't
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11/12/2020 10:09:29 114 8
bbc
Stop buying so much Chinese tat.
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11/12/2020 10:38:57 9 7
bbc
It always comes down to public behaviour. It's the same with the high street being destroyed by the likes of Amazon. If we don't want that to happen then we should avoid buying from the likes of Amazon. the government should not go down the like of protectionism and that just becomes inefficient. People need to make choices.
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Jim
11/12/2020 10:05:35 3 4
bbc
This is clearly good news, but it's worth noting that the conspiracy theorists now see this as one of the underlying aims of the "planned" Covid pandemic.
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11/12/2020 10:39:35 0 1
bbc
They're gonna get us... AAAAAAARRGHHHH!!!!!! etc.
12
11/12/2020 10:03:36 7 9
bbc
Cool, all it cost us was our entire way of life.
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11/12/2020 10:41:01 1 1
bbc
Ah, good old fashioned British sarcasm. I feel nice and cosy now. If this were a Bottom script... "British sarcasm - best in the world".
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11/12/2020 10:58:35 0 0
bbc
Richie just sprung into my head saying that! Thanks for putting a smile on my face! “Oh Eddie”
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11/12/2020 10:17:31 16 1
bbc
If Volvo are correct, then the battery car would have to be driven approx. 52,000 miles before it broke even with a combustion car. Assuming it was only recharged with renewable electricity.
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11/12/2020 10:43:03 4 1
bbc
Check out the deforestation in Germany's New Tesla car and Giga factory !
I bet that wont be included in any EV /Petrol/diesel comparison data !
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11/12/2020 10:26:01 8 4
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Us buying most of our manufactured goods from China puts just as much blood and soot on our hands, as theirs.
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11/12/2020 10:43:14 3 1
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Well as a nation I think we do care more, but it is arguably easier for us to say that as a "developed" nation. I'm not sure David Attenborough's Blue Planet etc had quite as much impact in China....
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11/12/2020 10:35:45 10 1
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That is some 'Logans run' solution right there.

I suggest a bit of Logan's run with a Soylent Green chaser.
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11/12/2020 10:44:32 7 3
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Solution is encouraging, through a range of measures, later child birth, increase it from 25 to 33 means 3 generations in a century not 4.
This should come naturally through education and opportunity
Nothing should be forced on people.
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11/12/2020 10:45:40 1 1
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Good. maybe we can keep it up. or them down even!
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11/12/2020 10:46:21 5 9
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Yet the weather has not changed which is constantly used as an argument to get emissions down and the world will end in 20 years type scenarios. I hope one day we will understand, but blaming cars and combustible engines for something that has happened for billions of years, is something I can never sign up too.
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11/12/2020 11:35:36 2 0
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Weather is local and short lived, climate is long term.
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11/12/2020 10:26:20 3 8
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Great news, i'm gong for a drive to celebrate. Now where shall I go, a castle? But what castle?
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Lde
11/12/2020 10:47:10 1 1
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Try Ora or Burley castle
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11/12/2020 10:47:34 9 4
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Two facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Solution is to protect the world's forests and refrain from procreation.
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11/12/2020 10:33:21 1 1
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Funny, it doesn't look like the graphs on the front page of the site you've linked to say what you are claiming at all...

I thought it was supposed to be the eco-warriors teling porkies about the data?
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11/12/2020 10:47:39 1 1
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Have you looked at the atmospheric Co2 levels for 2019???
They are completely unaffected by the Covid Lockdowns and Prove that we have Zero control over atmospheric concentrations once and for all
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11/12/2020 11:21:34 2 0
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Did you look at the keeling curve monthly graph, o the front page of your link?

It shows CO2 levels rising from 310 parts per million in 1958 to 408ppm in 2019...

You seem to be claiming that the overall daily increase is much less than the cyclic change, and is therefore irrelevant, but the point of the cyclic change is it is a cycle...

I could explain it, but not in 400 characters
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11/12/2020 10:18:20 88 20
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Never mind cutting CO2, it's our population that's the problem. Two children are enough.
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11/12/2020 10:48:38 3 2
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Between everyone?
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11/12/2020 10:49:21 1 3
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Unfortunately it's offset by the fact that the amount of one-use plastic has multiplied exponentially during the pandemic. Seems like this aspect of environmental awareness has been set back a decade during 2020.
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11/12/2020 10:15:17 38 6
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There are two ways we can make other countries less polluting to help combat climate change going forward: firstly, stop buying the bulk of our imports from them, at least until they get their emissions down, and secondly by introducing and promoting green technology ourselves so as to lead by example.
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11/12/2020 10:49:21 22 4
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There are two facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Solution is to protect the world's forests and refrain from procreation.
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11/12/2020 12:35:44 0 2
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yep and these lockdowns have proved it as not even a dent in the Keeling Curve - Crazy how the BBC and Ecoloond have this irrational obsession with Co2
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11/12/2020 10:33:21 1 1
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Funny, it doesn't look like the graphs on the front page of the site you've linked to say what you are claiming at all...

I thought it was supposed to be the eco-warriors teling porkies about the data?
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11/12/2020 10:51:07 1 1
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See the data for yourself rather than swallowing the constant BBC lies:
https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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11/12/2020 11:11:36 2 0
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Taken from the link you've put on, didn't you read it?

"The early years at Mauna Loa saw annual increases averaging about 0.7 ppm per year, increasing to about 1.6 ppm per year in the 1980s and 1.5 ppm per year in the 1990s. The rate rose to 2.2 ppm per year during the last decade. There is abundant and conclusive evidence that the acceleration is caused by increased emissions"
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11/12/2020 11:27:23 1 0
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"See the data for yourself rather than swallowing the constant BBC lies:
https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/ "

And your link from the Scripps Institution doesn't say what you are claiming, either...

I thought you might be seriously interested, right up until the "swallowing the constant BBC lies" comment.

Say "Hi" to Big Billygoat Gruff for me!
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11/12/2020 10:01:24 19 10
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Global problem needs global solution - not piecemeal action by a handful of countries on "done my bit"
Volvo state "green" battery car takes 10 tonnes more C02 to make than ICE car. Which country therefore emits the CO2? manufacturer or the user country that then discounts CO2 form ICE emission?
Some countries balance books while the battery car is a net producer of CO2 in its lifetime.
Can you provide a source for Volvo's claim? Because I sure as hell can't find one via Google.
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11/12/2020 10:26:56 7 1
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You can't knit yogurt, you can crochet, but not knit.
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11/12/2020 10:51:42 1 0
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is it not tatting?
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11/12/2020 10:29:13 5 6
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Speak for yourself, I love cycling to the office and enjoy the segregation between work and home.

Depending on your personality type, working from home can be pretty devastating for your mental health.
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11/12/2020 10:51:55 10 1
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I said mainly. Most people I know prefer to work from home and I work in a large office. Cycling is fine (as is green) but many people can't use green methods to get to work (and don't say public transport is green it only is in certain circumstances)

I also said more working from home. Not necessarily working from home all the time.

It is a balance.
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11/12/2020 10:52:18 4 4
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Unfortunately the air isn’t much cleaner around our area because of the selfish people that use wood burners all day long.
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11/12/2020 10:37:11 4 4
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All the west is doing is facilitating China's unending growth & dominance, as they continue ignoring climate change & are building another 250GW of coal fired power stations, on top of the 1TW+ of coal fired generation capacity already built.
Viruses, climate change, democracy, intellectual property rights, international law - all things China cares nothing for.
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11/12/2020 10:57:30 0 4
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And closing down the older, inefficient ones. The PRC has coped with Covid19 and is coping with AGW & ACC so why not try facts not Trump fake news?
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11/12/2020 09:54:41 15 15
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Good. Going forward people need to fly less. So many people spend lots to fly thousands of miles away, yet don't even know what is on their own doorstep, what history, what culture, what natural beauty, what wildlife. Flying should be an occasional and special experience, not taken for granted.
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11/12/2020 10:40:09 2 3
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I'll be off to the US as soon as restrictions are lifted & it'll be First Class all the way this time.
I'll start caring when governments & the UN address the elephant in the room that is a global population of twice the sustainable number.
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11/12/2020 10:21:16 2 4
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7%. We close half the world's economy for about four months and CO2 emissions only fall by 7%. Already showing signs of increasing again during the "recovery". Out children and grandchildren are completely doomed.
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Lde
11/12/2020 10:53:01 1 1
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Absolutely, no jobs, nowhere to go, nothing to do. Just exist why not.
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11/12/2020 10:30:53 23 34
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So what's your solution then ?

Euthanase anyone over 30, compulsory sterilisation perhaps ?

Bet it won't include you though, just everyone else.
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11/12/2020 10:53:11 10 3
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Give me strength!
What we need are leaders capable of seeing that we don't simply need more people, just because we have an ageing population and soon no one to look after them.
The reason we have an ageing population is because of the baby boom, their solution to fix it is to have another!!!
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ljs
11/12/2020 10:26:03 41 5
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Perhaps Mankind is STARTING to get a grip on global warming,

but it is going to be a long haul and many changes are needed.

The main problem politicians have to face is how to REDUCE the human population,

when I was born it was 2.5 billion, it is now 7.5 billion i.e. THREE TIMES as many.

Time to think about one billion, not ten billion.
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11/12/2020 10:53:58 8 2
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Indeed!. Two key facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Solution is to protect the world's forests and refrain from procreation.