Brexit: EU sets out plans in case trade talks with UK fail
10/12/2020 | news | world | 7,009
The EU's contingency plans for "no deal" include measures to ensure smooth air and road travel.
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Slow hand clap for everyone who voted for this unmitigated disaster.
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10/12/2020 10:58:23 765 753
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Why is it a disaster? Most people who voted Brexit wanted a hard exit... short sighted people will play on the turmoil now but only history will decide if it was the right deal!
Boohoo!
Back your country.
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There were 2 options on the ballot paper..Leave..Remain. Not leave with a deal. EU still dictating. Walk away Boris,we can make our own deals.
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10/12/2020 11:00:20 27 31
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I did ??
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10/12/2020 11:01:51 84 37
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It needs more than a slow hand clap. More like a boot up the Backside.(I'm desperately trying to be polite).
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10/12/2020 11:05:13 24 40
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That's quite harsh on all our European friends and neighbours who thought having a Common Market was a good "Project". The fact that it did turn out to be an unmitigated disaster years down the line could not have been foreseen at the outset. I am not so forgiving about the EU blindly insisting that the "EU Project" is still such an amazing thing though
Thankfully our govt has seen the flaws in it
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10/12/2020 11:08:51 15 35
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Sorry mystic Meg, not sure you are reading your tea leaves correctly..

Let's just see what happens..

Oh and if you do want a slow hand clap, how about for yet another unhelpful, unconstructive, remainer comment that just look like sour grapes.
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10/12/2020 11:17:01 8 6
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Yes, how dare they vote democratically for something you disagree with!
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10/12/2020 11:19:51 5 3
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Is that for the EU commission and the French?
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10/12/2020 11:24:04 6 4
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I voted leave and like millions of others would do so again. an 80 seat majority should tell you something We spent 40 years in the EU, you need to give BREXIT a proper chance before commenting ...it may in the short term inconvenience your little in the short term, Look at the barometer of the economy the FTSE 100 it is actually up . Blame Major Blair Cameron for this mess not BoJo
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Good job at least one side has thought about this issue!
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Our parliament consistently refused to approve a budget with funds set aside for no deal. I was only after the 2019 election that any money could be put aside for preparation for no deal.
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10/12/2020 11:04:36 5 3
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It was agreed long ago as was the transit of goods.
10/12/2020 12:04:14 2 4
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They've still got to get approval from 27 countries. 2025?
10/12/2020 12:17:22 11 2
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I've found over the last 2 years if I want to see how things might change with no-deal (movement of goods and animals, health insurance, bank accounts and money dealings between UK & EU) I find more detailed explanations from the EU sites than the gov.uk ones. It's worrying how ill-prepared the UK seem to be.
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10/12/2020 10:56:15 579 115
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Easiest trade deal in history.....
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...except politics gets in the way

To finish the quote.
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10/12/2020 10:59:49 19 47
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It would be if we were dealing with reasonable people - The EU are saying that we can leave the EU - provided that we don't leave the EU
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xlr
10/12/2020 11:07:01 30 10
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It was always going to be difficult despite what the big bus said, but to be saddled with genuinely the most incompetent UK government in its history is probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

As we saw with devolved handling of the coronavirus, the response of this government to someone NOT mishandling things is to try to shoot them down rather than pull up its own socks.
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10/12/2020 11:18:24 16 7
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He can't get the oven door open!!!!
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Except the EU don’t want one!!!
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10/12/2020 11:26:00 8 21
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It should have been. EU have cocked it up
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10/12/2020 11:26:09 4 4
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An oven ready deal. It's a turkey but its oven read.
10/12/2020 12:32:31 6 3
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We had the best deal already. That's the problem.
10/12/2020 12:43:32 3 2
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Remember the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.

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10/12/2020 13:07:02 3 4
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"It would be if we were dealing with reasonable people - The EU are saying that we can leave the EU - provided that we don't leave the EU"

You lot are pathetic.

If we 'held all the cards' and 'can name our terms' and 'are going to be stupefyingly rich' - that doesn't come with a little qualifier 'mind you only if the other side indulges our fantasies'

You haven't a clue. Not even a ghost of one
10/12/2020 13:43:05 2 0
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Laziest comment in the world
10/12/2020 18:05:25 1 0
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When the EU suggested a Canada type deal that is how it looked, but no they decided to demand that they make the laws and do the fishing.
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Leadership... sadly not from our side.
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Move then. Bye.
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10/12/2020 11:17:31 3 7
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Just as Adolf lead? You vill obey?
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10/12/2020 13:32:30 3 2
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You lost the referendum and the last election. Stop whining
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10/12/2020 10:56:31 72 41
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Access to each others waters? That wants knocking on the head straightaway. Hardball - can be played both ways.
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10/12/2020 11:00:41 35 40
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So EU ships delivering food & other goods to the UK are not allowed in our waters & ours are not allowed in theirs! Do you suggest that they just dump all the food & other goods in the channel?
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10/12/2020 11:18:24 8 10
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When Scotland becomes independent the fishing areas left for England/Wales/N.Ireland will only cover a very, very small area (Check out the size of the Scottish fishing grounds and see for yourself).
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10/12/2020 11:15:17 10 5
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Do you realise that most of the fish we actually eat in the UK is caught in foreign waters? Or that 70% of what we DO catch we export to the EU?
Merry Christmas one and all. Removed
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10/12/2020 11:12:49 23 42
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Especially to the Trumpers
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Are you allowed to say that in the EU?

Could be offensive...
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10/12/2020 11:02:59 4 5
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Indeed, may it be a wonderful celebration of Christianity.
10/12/2020 11:48:22 2 2
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AND an even better New Year!!!
10/12/2020 12:03:07 1 2
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Well said Sir. And the same to you!
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Xxxx-mas you pal!
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Merry Christmas Keith, and a reason to smile every day in the new year.
10/12/2020 14:27:06 1 0
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And to you too
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That's good because the Tories clearly haven't thought about it..
10/12/2020 12:08:11 34 53
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What? Gove has been working on it for 2 years. Where have you been?
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10/12/2020 10:56:58 21 31
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More game playing - this time on the part of the EU.
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10/12/2020 11:00:06 11 5
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No like the above post says , the EU are looking after the interests of British citizens who they are aware do not trust the current government.
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10/12/2020 10:56:58 52 19
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So we are left with a. bunch of lairs then
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10/12/2020 10:57:41 6 44
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Boohoo
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10/12/2020 10:59:17 1 2
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Lairs??
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10/12/2020 10:59:52 1 5
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ROI panicking then
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Lairs, or liars? ??
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Project fear will be project reality early next year
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jan 1st the beginning
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10/12/2020 11:10:29 9 25
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You and lots of remainers wish..

And that's the sad thing.
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Really?
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10/12/2020 11:28:02 4 14
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You wish darling. You’re very short sighted - try thinking 3 years ahead and meanwhile, go to specsavers
10/12/2020 11:56:41 3 5
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The thing about project fear was it frightened nobody but their own backers. It addressed no concern of right and wrong of leavers. Leaving was right, money and deals were never any consideration stopping doing right. People sacrifice their lives for their nation, leavers cry at losing a bit of their money rather than overthrow an empire overlord.
10/12/2020 12:01:04 2 2
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More predictions. Never facts.

Your knees are knocking.
10/12/2020 12:57:11 1 0
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Project Fear undercooked it.
SEB
10/12/2020 13:56:39 0 0
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Won't affect long term scroungers on benefits
10/12/2020 13:59:37 0 1
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Project Stating the Facts Clearly is consistently proven correct.

But hate filled, xeonphobic brexiteers don't care a jot for reality as long as they get their independence from votes the UK had a say in at every step, and a veto if we needed it at every stage.
10/12/2020 14:32:58 1 1
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Which one Project fear 1 or Project Fear 9999, none of which so far have come to pass, so highlighting rejoiners penchant for the triumph of hope over experience.

EU just made concessions, as leavers said they would ;-)
10/12/2020 15:01:55 1 1
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What Fear it never scared me nor will the so called reality as that will still be fear and why are you all scared , who is bullying you , the only thing to fear is fear itself , we will have food , water and the world will keep turning

Change is all it is, no reason to fear it
10/12/2020 15:16:09 1 1
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Not really. Here's a quote pasted from another BBC story today on economic growth...

"GDP could rise by 6.1% next year in the event we get a Brexit deal, while growth could prove lower at 3.3% if there is no deal with a small recession at the start of the year," said Ms Selfin.
10/12/2020 17:15:24 0 0
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Great its better than £500m / week EU bill
10/12/2020 17:35:03 0 0
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Only because the EU keep moving the goal posts. If the EU played fair to begin with and allowed the UK to set its own immigration limits and spend our money on what WE want instead of fining us millions for spending our own money on whats important to us then maybe we might still be in the EU
10/12/2020 17:40:04 0 0
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Only because you losers have just about ensured it. What you will see is we will re-apply to rejoin within the next 5 years, we will lose the City of London, the pound and all our freedom thanks to you remoaners!!!
10/12/2020 17:50:14 0 0
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Project Fear was merely for the act of voting to Leave, not the actual deed. It has already been shown to be a total and utter fabrication. Once you separate out the effects on GDP and employment etc. of COVID-19, I dont think leaving EU will have much effect. We will NEVER know how the economy would have performed because we will have left!
10/12/2020 18:14:07 0 0
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That propaganda predicted the UK would have millions unemployed and in financial ruin before the Covid scare happened. There is 85% of the world's population to trade with outside the EU.
10/12/2020 18:18:11 0 0
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It's ok Mr Little the sky isn't going anywhere!
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The EU care more about the impact on UK citizens than the UK government.
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You saved me writing this comment
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No they don't. Just watch.
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you are as naive as they come, waving your little EU flag.
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10/12/2020 11:09:26 278 79
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Boris Johnson is more concerned about saving face and keeping Brexiters happy than he is about the UK. It's always been about his political ambition, never the welfare of this country.
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absolutely
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They really don't.

You think "elites" like Jean Claude Juncker really give a fuzz about UK citizens?!

The EU are only interested in centralised power in Brussels. Full stop.

Truth hurts.
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Do they? I would have thought the EU are only interested in their people and punishing the British for have the courage to vote to leave.
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10/12/2020 11:15:04 36 73
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Wrong . The EU has just published plans about access to British waters after 31st Dec. The whole problem boils down to French Fishermen as it did in 1973 when Heath sold us down the line . The Eu cares about itself , not about uk citizens being inflicted with mass immigration for the last 20 years
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10/12/2020 11:16:09 39 56
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No they care about the system, and don’t want others to leave. It’s a corrupt and very wasteful union that is protectionist. It puts up trade barriers and alway has
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10/12/2020 11:16:29 52 25
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Well said MikeyMann: It is so obviously clear that the EU Democratic system DOES care more about the people than does the UK government; the people of the EU, as it is and will become, & the people of the UK, whether with a deal or not. I can't understand the UK folks voting for a crowd they must have know, through experience in the previous 200 years, would s--t on them. Mascochists, I suppose!
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10/12/2020 11:17:58 16 36
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MikeyMann?

More like Mickey Mouse!

You are gullible and naive to say the least.
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10/12/2020 11:19:38 34 26
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You wont be saying that soon! They haven't bothered to give exPats any rights in the EU, which we have given their citizens.
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10/12/2020 11:19:55 2 14
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Only the the road bridge from Ireland to the continent and their holiday economies.
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10/12/2020 11:19:59 31 8
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The first priority of all Conservatives is always their party, leaving without any deal is probably likely to please more of their members than those who never vote for them, which is why it suits Boris to walk away and leave us on WTO...to keep their followers happy and avoid them being destroyed as a political party or wiped out at the next General Election.
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10/12/2020 11:20:37 7 19
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I very much doubt it
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10/12/2020 11:22:38 11 26
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If you believe that then your well and truly indoctrinated...
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10/12/2020 11:23:38 15 20
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As if the UK Government and the EU have not already talked about transport. You make the EU sound like a noble knight, they are using other means to isolate the UK such as restricting licences for UK hauliers.
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10/12/2020 11:25:14 20 26
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The EU simply do NOT care - Full Stop.

Remember Greece. Its population raped by bankers and then bonkers bankers putting back firm financial banking so the Country's debts with EU banks were repaid. The debts were nothing to do with 'The People' who knew nothing of what went on.

What happened in Greece is going to repeat across the EU in spades in coming years with Covid-19 recovery.
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10/12/2020 11:26:34 11 18
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The withdrawal deal included discussions on free trade. The EU have made it tariff free trade on conditions. The EU have broken the spirit of the withdrawal agreement and we should withold any payments to them.
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10/12/2020 11:26:54 13 15
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The EU hate the UK and it's citizens. They care only about protecting the "Politcal will" of the EU ruling elite.
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10/12/2020 11:29:12 14 8
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So, the EU plan to block us entry from day 1 but continue to plunder our fish stocks? Why would we agree to this?
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10/12/2020 11:32:14 11 13
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There was never any prospect of a Trade Agreement which indulged jurisdiction. The two are an incompatible binary in Brexit terms.

One simply has to accept this was known and fully understood from the start and that the EU operates in bad faith which we know it does.

Brexit has masked the EU's turgid can of fetid social and economic unrests and distress's.

It was and is rotten to the core.
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10/12/2020 11:19:23 5 11
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What an utterly ridiculous comment.
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10/12/2020 11:35:38 6 11
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Complete nonsense...the EU care about no one other than themselves.
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REALLY
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10/12/2020 11:38:37 6 14
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With no agreement, the UK will still have the first 5 freedoms of the ECAA to operate under until such time further agreement is reached.
The EU has NOTHING to bargain with except bureaucracy.
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10/12/2020 10:57:30 26 26
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I see the Eu is going to have equal access to our waters in case of NO deal.. I think they are misguided, as in event of no deal, they will have NO access.
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10/12/2020 11:01:09 6 6
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I think they're looking after your interests more than the current government
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10/12/2020 11:01:16 1 2
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And who will enforce that? The Royal Navy? Fantastic idea, pity that it'll be completely outnumbered.
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10/12/2020 10:57:32 674 149
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Failure of statecraft. Johnson's words.

No deal will be a failure.
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Nope. Wrong.
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A failure of statecraft applies to both negotiating bodies
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On the EUs part
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10/12/2020 11:28:27 6 33
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A failure on both sides.
10/12/2020 12:04:53 5 4
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Time for Boris to snatch a victory from the jaws of der Leyen.

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10/12/2020 12:54:56 5 1
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An honourable man would resign given he failed abjectly to do what he promised.
10/12/2020 13:21:45 9 0
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BoJo himself is a monumental failure of statecraft... and a monumental failure of 'leadership' and a monumental failure of humanity... and this repugnant specimen is your portrayal of england? Dear Christ protect us from 'england'
10/12/2020 13:42:45 0 3
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It will be but for both sides each blaming the other I can't imagine how the world used to trade without trade deals? Probably by exporters meeting the conditions and standards of the importers and if Govts were suspicious of cheap imports they raised the tariffs Business's should just get on with it It worked pretty well for centuries Trading blocks with a political agenda = more bureaucrats
10/12/2020 13:57:06 1 0
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Perhaps he wasn't telling the truth...
10/12/2020 14:03:41 1 0
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The question is if Johnson and people around him really want a deal.
10/12/2020 14:24:47 0 0
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not for leavers it won't, go look at the concessions, - then conveniently forget they address all the scare stories remainers pushed 'aircraft won't fly you said' 'Lorries would be allowed on Europe's roads you said' and leavers said 'that won't happen the EU will make concessions at the last minute.
10/12/2020 16:09:59 0 0
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A failure on both sides, not just the UK's.
10/12/2020 18:03:13 0 0
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A WTO deal with no WA restrictions and full self rule will be a triumph.
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Sunlit uplands?
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Bang on. Well said.
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10/12/2020 11:06:03 11 3
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Flooded lorry parks.
10/12/2020 12:07:23 0 2
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Right ahead. It comes on Jan1
10/12/2020 13:38:39 1 3
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There was a time when Remainers protested in large groups all over the country, now they just cry on HYSs.
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10/12/2020 10:57:42 3 4
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who's going to blink first ?
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10/12/2020 11:00:43 5 3
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No one. WTO rules beckon.
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10/12/2020 10:57:42 20 24
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Possibility of fishing in each other's water, jog on EU....
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10/12/2020 11:18:16 1 1
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They had fish last night at the...castle caught in English waters, so tasty.
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10/12/2020 10:56:58 52 19
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So we are left with a. bunch of lairs then
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Boohoo
10/12/2020 12:06:31 1 0
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Shanklish. Do you have anything in your locker other than juvenile quips ?
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10/12/2020 10:58:12 54 14
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Has the time now finally come for Boris to pull his " oven ready" deal out of the oven?
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10/12/2020 11:00:52 19 6
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Can you be half-baked and oven ready?
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10/12/2020 11:35:59 1 3
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The 'oven ready' deal referred to the Withdrawal Agreement which allowed us to leave the EU and enter a transitional phase. These discussions are around the long-term relationship. It's important not to confuse the two.
10/12/2020 13:20:21 1 1
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The time has come for him to die in a ditch. I'd be happy to help him get there.
10/12/2020 17:09:01 0 0
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He forgot to put the oven on! All very Christmasy
10/12/2020 19:57:40 0 0
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And again, that was the withdrawal agreement not the trade deal. Keep up!
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Leadership... sadly not from our side.
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Move then. Bye.
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10/12/2020 11:00:27 45 5
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historically speaking, encouraging or forcing people to leave a country if they disagree with your POV does not end well for democracy, society or humanity...
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10/12/2020 11:09:18 26 7
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I don’t need to move. Ireland will soon be one.....in the EU. Muppet.
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10/12/2020 11:11:11 21 3
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Give me my EU passport back.
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10/12/2020 11:07:04 5 4
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So blind you cannot see
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10/12/2020 11:24:48 10 3
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I thought you trolls turned to stone in daylight...
Hey look, it's that Shanklish guy who keeps lying in the comments.

If you genuinely cared about Britain you would ask why we're doing such a shit job.
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10/12/2020 13:29:33 3 0
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We did. Best move ever. Aufwiedersehen.
11/12/2020 02:10:58 0 0
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Move?
Why?
Changing our leaders is much easier.
And better for UK.
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10/12/2020 10:58:13 116 39
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Does lying about the "oven-ready" deal mean that Johnson
1. has to resign?
2. has to apologise?
3. resign and apologise?
4. brazen it out like a good lying tory?
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10/12/2020 11:00:48 76 16
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After Raab and Patel, we all know the answer to that one.
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10/12/2020 11:02:40 5 4
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He has to go, to jail for so many lies, basically Treason.
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10/12/2020 11:02:20 2 5
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Probably just get on with the job that the 80-seat majority gave him a mandate for I would think.
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10/12/2020 11:36:51 2 2
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What exactly do you think is the lie? If it’s ‘the trade deal isn’t oven ready’ the answer is: it was never claimed to be. The 2019 election manifesto explicitly stated ‘we will negotiate a trade deal with the eu’ - future tense.
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10/12/2020 11:39:07 3 3
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He did not lie about the oven ready deal,he completed that l ast December.
10/12/2020 13:16:39 2 0
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Amazing isn't it how remain understood the deal that was oven ready was the WA, until it was agreed and now it's apparently some other deal that gov meant, you can even find vid of Starmer being quite clear he understands the oven ready deal is the WA, but remain do like to change reality whenever they're proven wrong so your comment is unsurprising, does cast doubt on remain being intelligent tho
10/12/2020 19:55:36 0 0
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When will people acknowledge, including the BBC, that the oven ready deal was the withdrawal agreement not the trade deal.
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Biggest failure by a UK government in the last century
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other than Tony Blair taking us into an illegal war and bankrupting the entire Country
10/12/2020 14:36:37 2 1
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Thatchers government plans cutting RN pesence in the S Atlantic led to Argies thinking they could invade & keep the Falklands led to a war with many casualties & heavy costs for us. Completely unnecessary, just to save a few quid which backfired, ending up with a far greater permanent presence to deter another. While I support Brexit, Boris's lot are the worse government I've known in 60 years.
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i note the contingency plan proposes continued access for a year to UK fishing waters. Why are EU so obsessed with fish? even in their baseline, emergency, no-deal mitigation, they still want same access to fish.
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10/12/2020 11:09:08 8 2
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It is clear they have put these plans together in the last minute. If there is no deal, there is no access to UK waters for fishing
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Slow hand clap for everyone who voted for this unmitigated disaster.
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Why is it a disaster? Most people who voted Brexit wanted a hard exit... short sighted people will play on the turmoil now but only history will decide if it was the right deal!
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Delusional to the end ??????
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Theres no evidence for that statement is there? Thats not what the Tories were elected on in their manifesto is it?
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Prove what most people wanted.
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You've been busy talking to 17 million nutjobs Removed
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10/12/2020 11:07:23 37 6
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How do you possibly know this? You've interviewed millions of people to understand what they wanted from Brexit?
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10/12/2020 11:08:58 37 6
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The country voted the Tories in on the back of the 'easiest deal in history', giving Boris the opportunity to sort his 'oven ready deal'. Brexit in its current form was not voted for in 2016. What we have now is the result of the general election in 2019, which contained all sorts of promises we now know to be false. Please don't make manifestly inaccurate statements.
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They let people believe it would be the easiest deal in history.
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10/12/2020 11:11:46 13 8
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It's a disaster for the economy, a drop in GDP, businesses ruined, everything will be more expensive, travel more difficult. And what makes you think Brexiteers wanted a hard exit? Most people who voted leave didn't know what they were voting for; apart from the blatant lies, there was no actual detail or manifesto behind leave, other than platitudes and 3rd rate advertising copy.
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10/12/2020 11:13:08 14 5
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Zero evidence that most people wanted no deal, it wasn't an option. The Leave campaign committed to a deal.
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10/12/2020 11:13:11 2 3
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What deal?
"Most people" didn't have a blinking clue what they were doing ! Of the ones that voted for Brexit, "MOST" of these were racist lilywhites so called English. Idiots, you vote for a moron, you get moronic service. Roll on next elections.... Removed
Brexiters have no dignity Removed
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10/12/2020 11:15:13 5 6
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most people who gamble loose, thats why there are so many bookies etc
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10/12/2020 11:15:44 5 7
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HEAR! HEAR!
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10/12/2020 11:16:25 8 7
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"Most people who voted Brexit wanted a hard exit"

You are probably right. It definitely isn't all, but it's probably more than half of Leave voters.

However, that almost certainly puts it at less than half the country in favour. Why are we implementing something which only a minority want?
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10/12/2020 11:16:37 9 4
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No evidence that most wanted hard Brexit, most voted for a deal or remain - its bad for your mental health to rewrite history like this you will end up believing your own lies
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10/12/2020 11:16:52 4 3
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So, if most people who voted for Brexit don’t get a hard exit, will they be disappointed at the Brexit they get? Will they join the disappointed multitude which didn’t want Brexit at all? Will the vast majority of the people who voted in the EU referendum be unhappy (regardless of how they voted?).
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10/12/2020 11:17:55 6 2
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When was there ever a poll about the type of brexit you want again?

last time i checked it was either yes or no
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10/12/2020 11:07:15 5 4
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How do you know what most people voted for? Did you ask them? Is it short-sighted to worry about people who are going to lose their jobs and suffer from rising food prices?
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10/12/2020 11:21:32 4 4
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Its indicative & telling that as at the point of me viewing your comment (1121h), it has 138 upvotes and 122 downvotes, much like the original vote! 51% in favour.
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10/12/2020 11:21:57 3 6
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You also lead to believe you would have a deal with Trump to compensate for the loss of trade with the EU. Yep that worked out well.
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10/12/2020 11:09:24 2 5
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What good is History to our young people now - they have to TRY to live in it for the next X number of years!
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Ian
10/12/2020 11:23:27 2 3
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Where is your evidence to support the claim that most people wanted a hard exit? It wouldn’t surprise me if most people bought into the vision of this great deal that we could get where we had our cake and eat it as well. Looks a bit of a forlorn hope now doesn’t it.
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10/12/2020 11:23:32 3 4
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No need to wait that long. Disaster.
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10/12/2020 11:23:46 3 3
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Most people hadn't a clue what they wanted, apart from vague idea that the Empire would magically reappear, we could go back to eating the god-awful New Zealand butter, cheese and frozen sheep meat and driving around in rubbish cars made by Austin and Morris.
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10/12/2020 11:24:39 4 3
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Brexiteers seem to have moved from the new emergence of a once great nation to it might be a disaster but at least we're getting a hard exit - as if that's sort of good.
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10/12/2020 11:26:10 4 3
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Totally agree, this mess is not of Johnsons making but his predecessors Cameron Blair and Major
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10/12/2020 10:58:37 100 35
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She poses in ballet postion 1, the image of competent confidence suggesting let’s get on with this, Johnson in crumpled suit and scruffy hair gives her the waist high thumbs up. We’re in trouble...
10/12/2020 11:44:27 46 12
bbc
Usually you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but in this case the cover tells you all you need to know.
10/12/2020 13:21:32 1 1
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Is that how in depth your analysis of international politics goes?
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10/12/2020 10:58:39 305 95
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The picture used in the news report is perfect. One side shows the end result of Jingoism, faux nationalism and personal interest.
Meanwhile on the right is the product of co-opperation, compromise and synergy of ideas.
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10/12/2020 11:01:09 34 8
bbc
something fishy going on.
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10/12/2020 11:07:51 10 13
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The one on the left was elected. The one on the right was appointed, in a manner that highlighted all the reasons that the majority of people in this country wanted to leave the EU. Her record was such that the many Germans were quiet happy to see her go.
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10/12/2020 11:08:42 3 7
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Is said nationalism 'British' - which is a no-no.... whereas Scottish nationalism is a yes-yes...
Regarding your statement of the person on the right ... get a room jeez.
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10/12/2020 11:00:39 3 10
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Also - one was elected by voters, and the other wasn't.
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Sam
10/12/2020 11:11:03 0 3
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Yes that is why China is doing well but do we want to be Chinese? I don’t.
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10/12/2020 11:35:16 8 2
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It's embarrassing isn't it. We can really see who spends the most time at the buffet.
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10/12/2020 11:40:05 0 5
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Which is which?
10/12/2020 11:36:59 6 0
bbc
Looks like Boris is being shown the door.
10/12/2020 12:06:55 3 8
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No, it shows an EU petrified that its bloated superstate cannot compete against the UK.
10/12/2020 17:34:16 0 0
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Surely you cannot mean the EU, thanks for cheering me up waiting for Covid vaccine and freedom. Great New Year.
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10/12/2020 10:58:45 631 96
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Contrast this to us where we're building a lorry park outside Ashford in Kent that still isn't finished yet, and occasionally floods.
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10/12/2020 11:09:47 274 86
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With all the climate targets, I wonder if our government has taken the time to commission a study of the additional emissions caused by additional HGV miles as well as more start/stop driving resulting from this potential 'solution', not to mention emissions resulting from the building of the place - it's a big joke really.
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10/12/2020 11:10:52 21 1
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Sounds like a Chris Grayling project?
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10/12/2020 11:17:17 18 2
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lorry park outside Ashford in Kent that still isn't finished yet, and occasionally floods is the perfect image of Britain today.
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10/12/2020 11:17:01 7 1
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Not flooding, self cleaning in an environmentally friendly way
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DC
10/12/2020 11:32:16 22 3
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I live in Kent about 15 miles from Dover and its already a disaster with trucks and the whole of ashford being redesigned for the lorry park. I actually live in the UK and work for an EU company - takes me 4 hours to get to the office in Holland. I am totally embarrassed by this country and the fact i cannot explain why we are so inept in handling everything Covid, Brexit - i cant even go to work!
10/12/2020 11:53:35 2 0
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yes indeed. We can't bear to build homes that are needed but we're suddenly very happy to build lorry parks all over the countryside with all the attendant noise, fumes etc. Brexit - don't you just love it!
10/12/2020 12:16:12 2 0
bbc
Betcha the fast food and portaloo concessions are going to a Tory donor. The escort girls will be sourced elswhere.
10/12/2020 12:30:50 3 0
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The mighty Farage Garage?
The English Gove Sausage Emporium.
And Johnson Portaloo Wing.
10/12/2020 12:34:08 0 0
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You've just described what 'development' had meant for all of the UK for the past half century. Not being stupid starts with you, tear up your carport and your AstroTurf lawn and stop investing in property development. Then complain about lorry parks in Essex.
10/12/2020 12:43:32 1 0
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Leaving the largest trading block in the world never made sense. The size of the EU enables the countries within it to compete with the huge internal markets of the USA & China. Alone we are in a much weaker economic position.

The EU is not just a free trade zone, it enables businesses to trade without a myriad of regulations & on the same playing field as all other businesses.
10/12/2020 12:49:50 1 0
bbc
Lorry queue at Calais now stretches back into Belgium, some British drivers do not expect to get across the channel before Christmas.
10/12/2020 12:55:45 1 0
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The ERG Tories wanted a "No Deal" all along knowing that the EU would refuse a free trade deal unless there was alignment to EU regulations on workers & consumers rights, environmental safeguards etc...

The Tories want to leave the club but retain all the access and benefits of the club without any of the clubs conditions. You try doing that to any club you belong to and see what happens!
10/12/2020 13:04:57 0 1
bbc
Contrast that with the lorry park outside Calais full of migrants trying to get to the UK.
10/12/2020 13:10:39 0 0
bbc
Have you read them? They're not doing anything other than proposing a continuation of transition in certain areas
10/12/2020 13:18:12 0 1
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Go to France, riots on major cities every week and having to ship their covid cases to other countries.
10/12/2020 13:33:01 0 0
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Funny thing apart from the high value goods that go through Dover by volume it's about ninth. If the other ports can handle the volume use them
10/12/2020 13:41:23 1 0
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Doesn't matter, the EU have only granted 2,000 HGC travel permits anyway in the haulage lottery - not the 10,000 needed...so there's going to be problems...
10/12/2020 14:26:33 0 0
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which we will now only need when Calais port workers strike, assuming Johnson is happy to accept most of these EU concessions and Macron doesn't throw a hissy fit and veto any deal.
10/12/2020 16:30:11 0 0
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It's OK EU needs lorry Park 8 times bigger. They can't even sort corona deal out.
And hard brexit means 4 million jobs gone in the Eu.
Have fun with that EU playing hard ball.
10/12/2020 17:13:24 0 0
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Its called planning.
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10/12/2020 10:55:52 1288 602
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Slow hand clap for everyone who voted for this unmitigated disaster.
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Boohoo!
Back your country.
Removed
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10/12/2020 11:07:34 50 16
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we wont have a fe ck ing country left to back, but most brexiteers will say "this is what we voted for" no one in there right mind would have voted for this sh it show
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10/12/2020 11:08:24 14 3
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I did once up to about 23rd June 2016!
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10/12/2020 10:58:48 15 17
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" as well as allowing the possibility of fishing access to each other's waters"

Well I hope it's significantly less than any access we offered in a trade deal. Stick Churchillian fingers up to Macron and his cronies.
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10/12/2020 11:00:47 3 4
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there sticking theirs up first diplomatically
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10/12/2020 10:57:28 1707 645
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The EU care more about the impact on UK citizens than the UK government.
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10/12/2020 10:58:48 536 281
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You saved me writing this comment
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10/12/2020 11:14:02 26 9
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And me
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10/12/2020 10:58:48 94 33
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Brexit. Boris
Withdrawal agreement. Boris
Timeline. Boris
Failure. Boris
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10/12/2020 11:16:02 41 17
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Goodbye Borris
10/12/2020 12:58:13 3 1
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Unfortunately the Tories will indeed blame "Boris" rather than accept this was a Tory mess (the referendum was called by Cameron after all). A new leader will be elected and the press will trumpet that the Tory Party (apparently completely blameless for the mess caused by Boris) should be trusted to keep the UK running for the benefit of their offshore benefactors.
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10/12/2020 10:58:48 4 9
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BYE BYE
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10/12/2020 10:58:49 46 35
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So the EU plans include the possibility of fishing in UK waters do they!?
The fact they won't agree a Trade Deal because they don't respect our sovereignty should be enough to tell them they have NO Chance.
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10/12/2020 11:01:21 16 6
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I laughed at that too - says a lot about how important fishing in UK waters is to the EU. I was partly hoping to see our borders being robustly defended come New Years Day :-D
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10/12/2020 11:03:22 1 1
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Square your comment with yesterday's RNR announcement!
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10/12/2020 11:05:13 3 3
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Shipping my friend, majority via boats, boats in the sea = Access required!
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10/12/2020 11:06:13 3 2
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You going to stop them then?
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10/12/2020 11:07:45 1 3
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The English sycophants should understand that "one cannot have one's cake and eat it" or in transcribed into other words "they should not sell off more than half of the English Fishing rights and then expect to still claim ownership". The English need to study and learn from the Scottish or Northern Irish who did not sell their Fishing rights off.
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10/12/2020 11:27:03 0 2
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The English sycophants need to understand that it is not possible "to have one's cake and eat it", or transcribed into other words "to sell off the majority of the English Fishing rights and then still claim ownership". They should learn from and model themselves on the Scottish or Northern Irish who did not sell off their Fishing rights.
10/12/2020 11:45:14 0 0
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yeah, but they generously put a caveat of 'you can fish in our waters as well'
and lets keep the planes flying as most of their America flights fly over us
10/12/2020 12:35:48 0 0
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Iceland !!!
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10/12/2020 10:59:02 80 46
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This is an English vanity project dressed up as something ‘British’

Fundamentally the English have an identity problem and think anything English translates as ‘British’. Just look at the anthem used for England football /rugby - God Save the Queen - the UK anthem

It’s psychological lording over the rest. A strange superiority complex leading to jingoism and xenophobia
.
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10/12/2020 11:00:33 10 68
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We have god save the queen as we are the superior nation in Britain. Fact!
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10/12/2020 11:03:46 0 2
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Rugby?
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10/12/2020 11:09:42 3 10
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If you wish to leave ta than vote for it. Scotland gets more from UK government than they pay in . Wales is skint . N Ireland ditto. So where is your money tree?
10/12/2020 11:47:38 8 3
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Love it.
People go on and on about sovereignty and making their own laws. Yet they live under a monarchy!
10/12/2020 12:32:00 5 1
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Don't tar us all with the same brush! But you have a point, it was the English would voted in this deceitful special needs public schoolboy waster.
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10/12/2020 10:59:03 53 11
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Easiest deal in history
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10/12/2020 11:00:04 18 11
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fox denies he said that
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10/12/2020 11:14:32 0 6
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Well, having been told by barnier that we’d have to accept the Canada deal, it looked like we had one. Except, when we said ok - it suddenly became unfair.
Blame lies on both sides.
10/12/2020 17:20:56 1 0
bbc
Oh not that old chestnut again. Can't you think of anything original to post ?
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10/12/2020 10:57:34 186 40
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Sunlit uplands?
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10/12/2020 10:59:11 65 43
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Bang on. Well said.
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10/12/2020 10:56:58 52 19
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So we are left with a. bunch of lairs then
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10/12/2020 10:59:17 1 2
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Lairs??
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10/12/2020 10:59:17 2 16
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'Wonderif' there seems to be a concensus acrossBBC websites HYS that the UK is so weak we need to hang onto the EU apron strings to survive?

Do you have faith in the UK business sector to progress and prosper?
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10/12/2020 11:01:44 2 1
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What’s the mood music from U.K. business been?
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10/12/2020 11:08:10 0 1
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No of course not. The world is too small. We’ve lost all the big companies that we respected in our childhood Sold off and we were sold down the river
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10/12/2020 11:08:31 0 2
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We may have been in a stronger position if, having won the Brexit vote, all had got behind it and showed solidarity instead of a bunch of Complainers bemoaning the fact and showing weakness to the EU who always thought the UK would crumble to their superior “power”. Now with a degree of freedom on the horizon lets show some steel and make a go of the non interference from the EU.
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xlr
10/12/2020 10:59:20 37 18
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Would be indeed amusing of 'no deal' meant sticking to the current arrangements until there was a deal. The look on Brexiteers' faces would be priceless.
10/12/2020 13:19:15 10 13
bbc
Not as funny as the blubbering faces on the luvvies who cannot get over losing the Referendum.
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10/12/2020 10:59:21 189 55
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Oh dear

It's the EU who are happy with no deal

Perhaps they have been listening to the Tories and decided that

You know what that no deal thing looks good to us

What a truly fantastic negotiating tool that threat of no deal turned out to be

Genius
10/12/2020 12:00:20 135 27
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I don't expect they are particularly happy about no deal - however they have been making plans for how to deal with it (and, given who they've been dealing with, who wouldn't?).

Those insistent that "they need us more than we need them" are, very likely, on the brink of finding out how wrong they are.

Roll on 1st January - Project Reality bites at that point....
Tel
10/12/2020 12:37:04 4 10
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The EU are not really happy with no deal - but the reality is they're in a death spiral, and a deal with the UK will sharpen their decline, with other unhappy members opting to leave, and have to be seen to deliver a punishment beating to the UK for having the temerity to leave their federalist dream project
10/12/2020 14:41:48 2 0
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They just made concessions you oval ball! Too many blows to your head I expect, go back and read the article VERY slowly, you may understand it then.
10/12/2020 18:24:26 1 0
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No deal is bad for both of us, The UK will suffer a sharp short shock, for the EU it's potentially a long term problem.
The 10% export to the UK from the EU is mainly from the States that bankroll the EU as a whole, if their economies take a major hit (which no deal will do) the ramifications are much further reaching than just 10% of their exports would suggest
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10/12/2020 10:57:32 674 149
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Failure of statecraft. Johnson's words.

No deal will be a failure.
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10/12/2020 10:59:25 171 556
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Nope. Wrong.
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10/12/2020 11:13:44 64 3
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that's actually a fact. On record. he said it. you cant make him unsay it by trying to deny it ever happened.
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10/12/2020 11:23:28 25 4
bbc
666
10/12/2020 11:25:45 40 2
bbc
You’re really getting the hang of this post truth thing.
10/12/2020 11:56:22 28 2
bbc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49608822

I'll await your admission of error.
10/12/2020 12:10:32 16 1
bbc
Nope. Stupid.
10/12/2020 12:21:03 5 0
bbc
Boris said it
10/12/2020 12:23:24 9 1
bbc
well argued - another brexiteer showing the depth of their understanding and the solid evidence that their vote was based on,
10/12/2020 12:23:54 7 1
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well argued - another brexiteer showing the depth of their understanding and the solid evidence that their vote was based on.
10/12/2020 12:24:23 6 0
bbc
From an expert - keep it, quitter.
10/12/2020 13:22:57 4 0
bbc
Nope. Completely right.
10/12/2020 14:01:37 0 0
bbc
Exactly what he said you fool.
10/12/2020 14:39:27 0 0
bbc
Not caring about the damage to the country or just an Express reader?
11/12/2020 09:09:29 0 0
bbc
So what else has Johnson been wrong about as well?
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10/12/2020 10:59:26 429 83
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What planet does Raab live on? Of course negotiations should continue beyond Sunday. Even if we don’t have a trade agreement in place for January 1st we should aim to have something agreed as soon as possible thereafter. Businesses and livelihoods depend on it, you incompetent buffoon.
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10/12/2020 11:02:02 123 218
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There's already one in place. That's the whole reason the WTO is there in the first place - a standard trade agreement.

The UK used to be at the forefront of pushing that standard trade agreement to replace all the others.
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10/12/2020 11:05:52 12 4
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I’ve always believed that as a Czech he is a Soviet sleeper now activated To destroy our country.
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10/12/2020 11:07:57 12 2
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Thick buffoon to be correct.
10/12/2020 13:01:45 4 0
bbc
I hope his grasp of karate is better than his grasp of reality cos he's gonna need it soon when the pain starts and enough people come looking for those responsible.
10/12/2020 13:08:34 3 0
bbc
He was hand picked by Johnson for those very qualities!
10/12/2020 13:09:40 1 0
bbc
Sulla,

These current negotiations need to draw to a close, the EU will hope that we will suffer so bad that in a years time we'll be begging them for a deal and will accept their terms. This of course can go both ways but cannot see the EU ever begging a 3rd country for a trade deal.
10/12/2020 17:56:10 0 1
bbc
No deal is much better - the EU is never to be trusted again. They blatantly ignore international law, subsidise their industries like mad and are out to punish us and bring us under their control.
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10/12/2020 10:59:27 13 12
bbc
They need us more than we need them?
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10/12/2020 11:02:40 0 1
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Lolz
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10/12/2020 11:11:11 0 1
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You remind me of a tv clip from the 70's of a guy in a picket line shouting at the owner , ' we've got you on your knees'. The owner of the factory was being chauffeured in a Bentley into his office.
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10/12/2020 10:59:33 13 15
bbc
They are planning how to access our waters, they just don’t get it !!!
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10/12/2020 11:02:40 2 3
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Sadly, they do, we don't.
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10/12/2020 11:04:13 0 1
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hahaha
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10/12/2020 11:08:52 1 2
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No they're planning to stop the UK landing 50% of their catch in the EU , which means cheap fish for you in the UK , for a month or so that is , until the trawler fleets go broke like the rest of the UK
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10/12/2020 10:56:15 579 115
bbc
Easiest trade deal in history.....
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10/12/2020 10:59:38 242 74
bbc
...except politics gets in the way

To finish the quote.
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10/12/2020 11:24:41 6 4
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Reality gets in the way.
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10/12/2020 11:26:36 5 5
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Politics? The word I’d use would be Reality
10/12/2020 11:54:46 6 0
bbc
I could fly.

... except gravity gets in the way.

To complete the quote.
10/12/2020 12:09:45 5 3
bbc
And a total buffoon.
10/12/2020 12:15:40 8 1
bbc
Only an idiot would believe that it was possible to set up a trade deal of any sort between sovereign nations with elected governments without politics entering into the question. What kind of people want an idiot who evidently understands nothing about trade or politics as a Cabinet Minister?
10/12/2020 12:23:49 4 3
bbc
Oven ready.
end of quote.
Defending this lot ? Bent.
10/12/2020 12:34:35 4 1
bbc
In a three word soundbite world the rest of the quote was never meant to be reported and DC knew it.
10/12/2020 14:29:45 1 0
bbc
remainers struggle to read more than 5 words or else they can't stand reading the Guardian ;-)
10/12/2020 17:16:36 0 1
bbc
Let’s caveat all Brexit lies with ‘my fingers were crossed’
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10/12/2020 10:59:40 6 11
bbc
And another Brexit HYS yawn !
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10/12/2020 11:04:57 0 1
bbc
If only the BBC could monetise this click bait
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10/12/2020 10:59:41 15 6
bbc
'Wonderif' however much we bleat about the competance of govt. officials, Boris in particular - we voted for them. Collectively, it's our fault is it not?
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10/12/2020 11:01:11 7 6
bbc
No because we were lied to about oven readiness etc last December. He also was mendacious about the NI agreement he was voted in on.
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10/12/2020 11:02:00 0 1
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Yup!.... we reap what we sow.
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10/12/2020 11:10:33 1 1
bbc
England voted Tory....345 seats. Scotland Wales and the North of Ireland returned 20 Tory MP's....this is a disaster voted for in England only.....so "We voted for them" is England...and thats why Scotland will go for independence. This is not a democratic UK.....in essence it is an English Empire, now in its death throes
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10/12/2020 11:17:14 1 1
bbc
No because the majority of the UK voters did not vote fir him or the tories. He built it he owns it.
10/12/2020 12:43:19 0 0
bbc
Yours maybe - those of us untouched by lead poisoning did not vote for them or Brexit.
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10/12/2020 10:59:43 843 258
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EU has a plan. We have Boris.

That fills me with confidence.
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10/12/2020 11:04:05 441 327
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Johnson could avoid all these problems by a last-minute climbdown and a proclamation of victory. If he doesn't do that, he's an even bigger fool than I thought.
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10/12/2020 11:20:00 6 2
bbc
That's not a plan.
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10/12/2020 11:22:46 16 6
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I take it you talk in complete irony(?). Boris fills me with the confidence this is an unmitigated disaster.
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10/12/2020 11:24:10 6 10
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"EU has a plan."

..and once again it seems to revolve around enforcing their regulatory framework and will on a third party. In short, what they propose is a further extension in areas that are troublesome for them, not us.
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10/12/2020 11:33:09 3 6
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I feel that you are filled with stupidity.
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10/12/2020 11:42:19 0 3
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PMSL - wha plan - they want to extend - their so called PLAN is non existent!
10/12/2020 11:57:56 1 4
bbc
You might climb down, due to a lack of backbone, but any leader worth his salt will stand up to these bullies.
10/12/2020 12:03:07 1 4
bbc
It now seems the EU want at least another year of full access to UK coatal water and our fish, EVEN if there is No Deal. They must think we are stupid....or they are. Most Remoaners will think that is a very reasonable demand.....but logic and straight thinking is not their strong suit. Every thumbs down will prove my point.
10/12/2020 12:11:16 0 0
bbc
So the plan was?
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10/12/2020 10:56:15 579 115
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Easiest trade deal in history.....
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10/12/2020 10:59:49 19 47
bbc
It would be if we were dealing with reasonable people - The EU are saying that we can leave the EU - provided that we don't leave the EU
193
10/12/2020 11:07:29 34 9
bbc
And we are saying we are leaving except we want to keep all the benefits of membership
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10/12/2020 11:08:09 26 6
bbc
So despite having been members of the EU for years, when they made their promises to the British public our U.K. politicians had absolutely no inkling as to the negotiating position that the EU would adopt. That’s what you’re saying? So they’re as thick as mince.
500
10/12/2020 11:19:35 16 9
bbc
no, they are saying you can leave the EU, Britain is saying but we want to take the nice bits with us.
10/12/2020 13:55:15 1 2
bbc
Whereas we are saying we want to leave the EU but keep all the good bits
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10/12/2020 10:59:51 11 21
bbc
The EU publish a document saying that they're going to carry on as normal. Seems like they're a bit deluded.
181
10/12/2020 11:06:58 0 1
bbc
Eh no , I live in the EU and it is very normal.
50
10/12/2020 10:59:52 9 4
bbc
Doris already has contingency plans
He made them the day he was elected
Only he knows
93
10/12/2020 11:02:15 6 1
bbc
Resign and Telegraph column making up stuff no doubt.......
125
10/12/2020 11:03:42 1 1
bbc
What? Have another baby?
161
10/12/2020 11:06:00 1 1
bbc
if he does...that would seem to be the only knowledge he has
172
10/12/2020 11:06:28 1 1
bbc
What you mean pick up his new passport from the US embassy and head state side? Bit like Blackadder sketch about Haig's war plan.
210
10/12/2020 11:08:10 1 1
bbc
But there in his head which is pretty empty
9
10/12/2020 10:56:58 52 19
bbc
So we are left with a. bunch of lairs then
51
10/12/2020 10:59:52 1 5
bbc
ROI panicking then
52
10/12/2020 11:00:02 418 67
bbc
What a mess this has become.....There is nothing practical or beneficial in not admitting a mistake, and this is on both sides of the Channel....Economically the Country is already suffering from the Pandemic.....And then this!.... Are they all stark raving mad?
124
10/12/2020 11:03:42 123 39
bbc
That is what happens when ideology takes hold on both sides.
329
10/12/2020 11:12:57 4 3
bbc
Yes, they are.
10/12/2020 12:29:30 3 2
bbc
No. Just the British.
10/12/2020 14:44:07 2 0
bbc
Yes, certainly the Tories.
10/12/2020 16:28:49 2 0
bbc
Are they all stark raving mad?
No, only Johnson and the ERG
10/12/2020 17:01:29 0 2
bbc
So you've decided it's a mistake? 17.4 million people disagree with you.

The mess you describe is not democracy, it's in your head
10/12/2020 18:49:35 0 1
bbc
Perhaps, in hindsight, the EU should have given more credence to the modifications to our membership sponsored by former PM David Cameron?
Soo
10/12/2020 21:32:33 0 0
bbc
"Both sides of the Channel"??? Thanks for reminding me, I had almost forgotten about all them EU nationals voting for Brexit. Warning: There might be sarcasm in this post.
34
10/12/2020 10:59:03 53 11
bbc
Easiest deal in history
53
10/12/2020 11:00:04 18 11
bbc
fox denies he said that
155
10/12/2020 11:05:29 7 1
bbc
Just like he said he hadn't broken the ministerial code or breached security regs by taking Werrity with him to diplomatic meetings, come on, this lot are a bunch of liars and you know it!
10/12/2020 14:54:42 0 0
bbc
No he doesn't, he points out that if you are going to quote him, you should quote ALL he said, not a bit and so lie by omission.

"It should be the easiest trade deal in history we are already following the same rules' but remainers stop there, he then continued "only the politics could stop it' - which is spot on, something rejoiners never are.
8
10/12/2020 10:56:58 21 31
bbc
More game playing - this time on the part of the EU.
54
10/12/2020 11:00:06 11 5
bbc
No like the above post says , the EU are looking after the interests of British citizens who they are aware do not trust the current government.
55
10/12/2020 11:00:09 67 7
bbc
EU sets out plans i?n? ?c?a?s?e? ? when trade talks with UK fail
56
10/12/2020 11:00:11 18 15
bbc
hahahahaha...Happy new year folks ....see you all at the dole queue ....or the Ferry queue
218
10/12/2020 11:08:25 0 3
bbc
Good grief lol
10/12/2020 11:43:57 0 0
bbc
me not, nothing to do over there
57
10/12/2020 11:00:12 585 116
bbc
If the British public knew back in 2016 what they know now, would they still have voted to leave?
the english would they hate europeans Removed
Probably , the leave vote was racism , nothing else, takes more than three years to change that. Removed
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10/12/2020 11:04:25 123 39
bbc
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/

As Leave does not appear to have been ahead in a single poll for a few years now, I'd say given the choice now it's pretty clear we would vote to stay in.
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10/12/2020 11:05:09 56 78
bbc
Yes
153
10/12/2020 11:05:20 96 140
bbc
Absolutely, more than ever! We are seeing the EU for exactly what it is: a failing, potless, crumbling dictatorship.
158
10/12/2020 11:05:45 95 121
bbc
Absolutely! The actions of the EU since the democratic vote have only confirmed to me that we should leave now! ????
182
10/12/2020 11:06:58 31 42
bbc
What has changed?
213
10/12/2020 11:08:11 47 57
bbc
More so! Sheesh!
253
10/12/2020 11:09:42 103 38
bbc
Of course not. That's exactly what the recent YouGov polls show. Some would still dig there feet in like Trump supporters but many realise that they were duped by figures on the side of a bus. I feel for the younger generations who will lose out as we all pay the price. Before long, Johnson will be gone, like Cameron, and walk off into the sunlit uplands of rich former Tory PMs.
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Pat
10/12/2020 11:12:50 12 13
bbc
Yes
336
10/12/2020 11:13:19 10 13
bbc
reply i would
366
10/12/2020 11:14:12 14 22
bbc
If people knew how the EU was going to react. The majority may have been higher. Why remain in a club with leaders seem to have no thoughts for the vast majority of their 'members', and only for their long terms aims. For which 'members' must never have a vote, or if they do vote against will have a revote until the right vote.
390
10/12/2020 11:15:05 11 17
bbc
I would.
409
10/12/2020 11:16:12 10 16
bbc
Yes - what you cannot legislate for is a bunch of self-opinionated fools who refuse to accept Democracy!.
413
10/12/2020 11:16:21 9 7
bbc
We did know, just chose to listen to lies.
446
10/12/2020 11:17:34 8 16
bbc
Absolutely yes
575
10/12/2020 11:22:01 10 21
bbc
YeS 100 percent after the last 30 years of bullying about the 4 freedoms of the single market . Tell me who ever voted in Europe for those so called 4 freedoms .... unlimited immigration etc ? no one did
589
Bob
10/12/2020 11:22:48 17 5
bbc
The answer to your question is "NO". Some of my former friends who voted to Leave with the expectation that the EU would be keen to do a Trade Deal because "they need us more than we need them" are now seeing the realisation of the impending disaster that is heading our way.
597
10/12/2020 11:09:42 7 18
bbc
Yes. Over the last four years the EU have revealed themselves to be an even worse dictatorship full of kleptocrats than I'd original thought.
671
10/12/2020 11:26:01 12 3
bbc
The Scottish public didn’t but we got lumbered with it anyway. Remember: ‘If you leave the UK you’ll need to leave the EU’? Irony doesn’t come richer than that.
683
10/12/2020 11:26:13 13 4
bbc
Of course. Joe public hates hearing "foreigners" chatting in non English on the bus and that's as far as their ideas about Brexit extend!
706
10/12/2020 11:27:15 6 9
bbc
That's a yes from me.
725
10/12/2020 11:28:12 6 8
bbc
A million times yes
874
pjd
10/12/2020 11:35:10 5 7
bbc
YES
877
10/12/2020 11:35:18 4 8
bbc
Yes as the election proved.
10/12/2020 11:44:56 3 4
bbc
Yes i know loads of people who would still vote to leave. All ages, all trades and professions.
10/12/2020 11:51:13 3 3
bbc
I would still vote leave.
10/12/2020 11:58:38 1 0
bbc
We're told it was going to be worse.
10/12/2020 12:00:28 3 4
bbc
You bet. Even more so as we don't like bullies.
10/12/2020 12:06:08 3 3
bbc
Yes
10/12/2020 12:11:42 3 3
bbc
Yes
1
10/12/2020 10:55:52 1288 602
bbc
Slow hand clap for everyone who voted for this unmitigated disaster.
58
10/12/2020 11:00:16 100 198
bbc
There were 2 options on the ballot paper..Leave..Remain. Not leave with a deal. EU still dictating. Walk away Boris,we can make our own deals.
129
JQP
10/12/2020 11:03:57 14 34
bbc
Clearly, with the EU, we can't.
147
10/12/2020 11:05:12 120 14
bbc
Yes BUT the Leave campaign manifesto said there would be a deal in the event of Leaving . It was in fact 'No deal' that was not on the ballot paper
202
10/12/2020 11:07:50 19 10
bbc
With tiny nation states rather than a 500+m population trading bloc... Ooooh the winning....
205
10/12/2020 11:07:52 62 11
bbc
Sure, because you made your entire decision to leave based on a few words on a ballot paper right?

Rubbish.

During the 2016 referendum *EVERY SINGLE* Brexiteer of any significance promised there would be a deal, a GOOD deal. They said it would be easy. When asked about the possibility of a "no deal", they shouted this down as "Project fear" and repeatedly asserted it was NOT going to happen.
260
10/12/2020 11:09:56 30 8
bbc
Yeah....because we’re in such a strong position.
UK goes to major trade partner to get a better deal than they had when in EU. Major trade partner only willing to give a less favourable deal compared to EU so they maintain relationship. UK end up with worse deal than before. Meanwhile major Brexit backers who promised manufacturing deals for UK, move manufacturing to the EU or Asia. Brilliant...
296
10/12/2020 11:11:22 12 5
bbc
"We didn’t vote to leave without a deal. That wasn’t the message of the campaign I helped lead" quote Michael Gove.

But of course, you know what you voted for!
307
10/12/2020 11:11:57 14 4
bbc
that would be true if it wasnt for the leave campaign (and the Tories in their election campaign) saying they would negotiate a much better deal than we already have and it would be the easiest deal in history etc. etc. No one mentioned no deal until after the result and they realised they might not be able to follow through on their hollow promises
594
ian
10/12/2020 11:08:10 2 3
bbc
'we can make our own deals' - seemingly not!
601
10/12/2020 11:10:16 0 2
bbc
Pity he doesn't then!!
59
10/12/2020 11:00:17 194 48
bbc
If we don't get an agreement by 31 December, we could carry on negotiations afterwards.

By Spring both sides will realise the pain caused by their stupidity in failing to get it sorted.

They may then stop behaving like 5 year olds and actually adopt an adult persona.
107
10/12/2020 11:03:08 121 42
bbc
no chance europe will have to see concessions before they talk
753
10/12/2020 11:29:28 7 3
bbc
You mean that the ERG and Boris the Fool will have been chucked out of the Conservative Party?
758
10/12/2020 11:29:45 6 1
bbc
right, after a year of wto the british gov will be trying hard to get a trade deal with the EU, I am sure they will oblige, with similar conditions as now.
10/12/2020 11:57:00 9 1
bbc
All evidence suggests that the impact on the EU won't be as disasterous as it will be for the UK. Wait 3 moths and the UK has even less leverage, astonishingly.....
10/12/2020 12:02:24 4 7
bbc
Or maybe the UK will be going along nicely and will put up 2 fingers.
10/12/2020 12:10:36 2 5
bbc
The EU don't need to make concessions as they can see the UK tearing itself apart. The remain camp are doing all the heavy lifting for them.
10/12/2020 12:15:00 1 0
bbc
Like Bojo the clown ?
10/12/2020 12:18:55 2 0
bbc
Yes, a good point. Obviously it would have been better to get a deal before the end of the transition, but as you say, some sort of deal or deals will be done in the months and years to come.
10/12/2020 12:26:55 1 0
bbc
Have you seen the picture of the tory 'pm' ?
Defend crooks if you wish.
10/12/2020 12:36:44 2 0
bbc
The EU is not going to destroy itself for the convenience of a particularly nasty and dishonest clique in the Conservative party. They are not going to give us free access to the Single Market unless we sign up to EU regulations covering the Single Market.

Contrary (of course) to what brexiters claimed back in 2016.
10/12/2020 12:47:34 0 0
bbc
Well, wasn't that always what was going to happen? Did you think both sides would walk away and never talk again? Money is involved and its merchants won't let that stop flowing.
10/12/2020 13:00:16 0 0
bbc
Nice idea. Maybe we can get a change of PM and cabinet too as a demonstration of our goodwill.
10/12/2020 13:04:10 0 0
bbc
Boris is incapable of behaving like anything other than a five year old, we won't get a deal until he's removed.
10/12/2020 14:11:43 0 0
bbc
"If we don't get an agreement by 31 December, we could carry on negotiations afterwards..."

And I'm sure they will. This article simply shows how the EU is better prepared for No Deal. Of course their proposals require reciprocation from the UK govt. If the UK does not reciprocate I, for one, would take that as a sign of bad faith.

The ball is squarely in Bojo's "court".
10/12/2020 17:21:15 0 0
bbc
It's the EU that is like a 5-year-old trying to grab all the toys. No other country that has a trade agreement with the EU has to let the EU decide upon its fishing, be subject to the EU Courts or have to adopt all new EU regulations in perpetuity - So why should we give in to them?
10/12/2020 17:50:10 0 0
bbc
Yeah well thats politicans and Socialists for you.
Stamp their feet when they don't get their own way
10/12/2020 17:58:10 0 0
bbc
The EU will never behave as adults - spoiled little children throwing a tantrum beacuse they don't have democracy when we do.
11/12/2020 02:08:18 0 0
bbc
Brexit promised a better overall deal than UK had as an EU member. If we couldn't get that, what was the point?
That meant getting the benefits of EU membership (access to the single market) without payment or rules. If UK got that, what would be the point of EU membership?
So Brexit was always based on an unrealistic expectation.
The EU has been telling us so for years.
Time won't change things.
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10/12/2020 11:00:18 28 9
bbc
A clear sign that the trade deal is definitely going ahead. Simple posturing. The fishing rights are a 'red herring' ;) ... seriously .. the uk fishermen need the EU market far far more than the EU needs the fishing rights. The Fishing organisations already agree with the proposals are they are simply not in a position to accept or catch more without a market to sell to at a sensible price.
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EC
10/12/2020 11:06:46 13 5
bbc
If true, why are the French going so hard on it?
891
Sam
10/12/2020 11:20:41 4 0
bbc
I am surprised that no one has mentioned that if we do not allow foreigners to fish in our waters and in retaliation they refuse to buy our fish we will be happy to have asserted our sovereignty and it will be fantastic news for fish stocks which will be able to recover for future generations of Britons to enjoy. No one seems to think long term about any of these issues.
10/12/2020 11:43:03 2 0
bbc
For that reason Macron demands 10 years unrestricted access to British waters...., because they don't need it
61
10/12/2020 11:00:19 62 9
bbc
They've polished the turd so much all that's left is half a peanut.
673
10/12/2020 11:26:02 28 7
bbc
And it still can't combe its hair

Time to flush the chain
1
10/12/2020 10:55:52 1288 602
bbc
Slow hand clap for everyone who voted for this unmitigated disaster.
62
10/12/2020 11:00:20 27 31
bbc
I did ??
19
10/12/2020 10:58:12 75 143
bbc
Move then. Bye.
63
10/12/2020 11:00:27 45 5
bbc
historically speaking, encouraging or forcing people to leave a country if they disagree with your POV does not end well for democracy, society or humanity...
354
10/12/2020 11:13:51 2 23
bbc
Good grief lol
33
10/12/2020 10:59:02 80 46
bbc
This is an English vanity project dressed up as something ‘British’

Fundamentally the English have an identity problem and think anything English translates as ‘British’. Just look at the anthem used for England football /rugby - God Save the Queen - the UK anthem

It’s psychological lording over the rest. A strange superiority complex leading to jingoism and xenophobia
.
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10/12/2020 11:00:33 10 68
bbc
We have god save the queen as we are the superior nation in Britain. Fact!
10/12/2020 11:45:38 5 1
bbc
England will be 'superior' all by its lonely self if you keep up with this shxthousery.
10/12/2020 12:14:15 6 2
bbc
Superior nation based on what exactly?
And stating fact at the end of your post does not make it a fact.
10/12/2020 12:24:20 0 0
bbc
Then what we have an English queen?
10/12/2020 17:10:48 0 0
bbc
Yeah right!
10/12/2020 17:30:48 2 0
bbc
The Queen and Prince Philip are of German descent, can't beat the quality of German genes, built to last.
Superior nation, what utter tosh.
Soo
10/12/2020 22:50:12 0 0
bbc
"The superior nation in Britain", needs a mythological figure up in the sky, to shave their queen??? I'm speechless....
5
10/12/2020 10:56:31 72 41
bbc
Access to each others waters? That wants knocking on the head straightaway. Hardball - can be played both ways.
65
10/12/2020 11:00:41 35 40
bbc
So EU ships delivering food & other goods to the UK are not allowed in our waters & ours are not allowed in theirs! Do you suggest that they just dump all the food & other goods in the channel?
114
10/12/2020 11:03:23 26 6
bbc
What are you on about. Educate yourself man
552
10/12/2020 11:06:29 6 8
bbc
Now that would be funny. The EU would implode within a week in that scenario.
pjd
10/12/2020 11:52:43 4 2
bbc
They are with illegal imigrants.
66
10/12/2020 11:00:42 14 25
bbc
So now the EU wish to tie air, road rail fishing and level playing field together. They do not want to recognise our sovereignty and release control .
11
10/12/2020 10:57:28 1707 645
bbc
The EU care more about the impact on UK citizens than the UK government.
67
10/12/2020 11:00:42 112 236
bbc
No they don't. Just watch.
272
10/12/2020 11:10:24 148 61
bbc
You are deluded.
302
10/12/2020 11:11:46 108 20
bbc
I've been watching for the last four and a half years. OP's statement has held correct thus far, and there's nothing to indicate that's going to change.
318
10/12/2020 11:12:28 143 26
bbc
I have been watching for 12 years now. With austerity, cuts in jobs, sell offs of our nationalised companies and an obsession of nationalistic pride that is more suited to war time......I see no change.
15
10/12/2020 10:57:42 3 4
bbc
who's going to blink first ?
68
10/12/2020 11:00:43 5 3
bbc
No one. WTO rules beckon.
69
10/12/2020 11:00:44 620 226
bbc
It's good to see that at least one side is preparing for this unmitigated disaster. Whether you voted for it or not, it IS going to cause years of hardship to the UK. And while people say that the EU will be impacted too, they have a far larger economy and bargaining power that will be able to weather the storm.

The UK in deep recession, the laugh stock of the world.
170
10/12/2020 11:06:25 234 448
bbc
Bold statement to call the UK the laughing stock of the world, where two parties are involved usually means the blame falls on both sides.
313
Pat
10/12/2020 11:12:12 11 21
bbc
Only due to lack of self belief by some people hey spike
395
10/12/2020 11:15:24 16 31
bbc
Eu - still killing animals with live exports, still destroying wildlife with CAP. Guess you want more of that !
600
10/12/2020 11:09:56 2 4
bbc
Nope, that accolade must go to the USA!
685
10/12/2020 11:13:07 12 26
bbc
I keep seeing this comment that we are the laughing stock of the world, but have never seen any proof. Yes, some of the foreign media may think what we are doing is wrong but I have travelled all aound the world and most people that I talk to, think we are right to leave the EU.
739
10/12/2020 11:28:56 3 5
bbc
Project fear is still here
740
10/12/2020 11:28:58 6 13
bbc
The EU doesn't have an economy as such - the member states have individual ones. The UK will be made to suffer by the EU, but what comes around goes around...and some of the weaker individual economies in the EU will hurt far more...causing incentive to come back to the negotiating table. Germany can't bail everyone out at once.
10/12/2020 12:02:38 5 8
bbc
Why, what will actually change? Most people have no idea what in actual terms will change in their day to day lives. Business will continue, London will still maintain it's financial capital status and when the dust settles most will wonder what all the fuss was about. Oh, there might be a few students too stupid to fill in an on line visa application.
10/12/2020 12:08:53 1 3
bbc
And if we go crawling back to the EU cap in hand everything will magically be put right?
10/12/2020 12:23:46 2 0
bbc
yeah like Spain Italy and Greece ? you have no idea of the future , or from your badly written post the present either
10/12/2020 12:30:27 0 2
bbc
You can’t really image that the Civil Service and countless others haven’t been working on contingency planning ever since the referendum result in 2016 can you? The referendum result is going to be proven to be a monumental mistake however scores of dedicated and hard working public servants have been working on our behalf to mitigate the damage. Let us hope that a last minute deal can be found.
10/12/2020 13:12:38 1 2
bbc
Comments like this prove that remain have no interest in reality, they haven't published plans, they've published 4 proposals for certain areas where they suggest keeping things as they are for 6 months to a year if the UK agrees, if anything that shows an utter failure on them to have prepared for a no deal scenario
10/12/2020 13:13:59 0 0
bbc
I was with you until "the UK in deep recession", there's every chance that we won't be in recession but it'll be more like a long burning damage. Comments like this are what Brexiteers feed off to justify their [crazy] descision, in the face of facts.
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10/12/2020 11:00:46 124 67
bbc
Would be interesting to hear Biden's view on the failure to get a deal. No US President would never sign up to the terms that the EU is demanding of us. But will Biden say that?
I doubt it.
206
10/12/2020 11:07:57 63 107
bbc
Biden probably doesn't know what day it is.
391
10/12/2020 11:15:09 4 8
bbc
How do you know the terms? It's a 800 page document. Have you read it?
719
10/12/2020 11:27:59 9 10
bbc
The US is way more powerful than little Britain, remeber we are at the back of the queue.
787
10/12/2020 11:30:54 16 4
bbc
Biden has an economy six times larger than the UK's, so he would have far more bargaining power than us. Also, the UK stands to lose far more than the US by NOT concluding a trade agreement with the EU, because 43% of the UK's exports currently go to the EU. The US only exports 16% of its goods to the EU, so they don't have the same need to conclude a deal.
981
10/12/2020 11:41:36 15 9
bbc
You are making the classic mistake of equating the US (huge land area, a couple of hundred million or so people, a Great Power in the old sense) with the UK (67 million people, ceased to be a Great Power around about 1943, relatively poor, hardly any soft or hard power, very small but with an over-inflated ego).
10/12/2020 11:45:32 11 4
bbc
Around 11 States in the "United States" are bigger than the UK and all States have conceded more power than the UK to the EU. In fact, you'll see that "Sovereignty" was just jingoism. Each EU state has sovereignty (as we did too) and can veto any deal. We gave up a little sovereignty as is necessary in any trading block to enable the block as a whole to e.g. get the best deals for it's members.
10/12/2020 11:46:30 2 2
bbc
Would you allow another country to come in and trade in your market without agreeing to any of your rules? The US wouldn't.
10/12/2020 11:49:53 1 2
bbc
EU=USA
UK=Canada ( or even Mexico)
Now do you get it?
10/12/2020 11:55:08 2 0
bbc
The EU havent said they will concede anything to the US with Biden, just cooperate more.
10/12/2020 12:30:42 0 0
bbc
Is that 'ever' or 'never'? Either way I'd leave it to the President, hey ;)
10/12/2020 13:04:52 1 1
bbc
Chris sadly the point is that the EU have all the bargaining power that goes with one of world's largest marketplaces. Why UK ever thought they would get any kind of good deal is beyond me. UK should have stayed in the EU with our rebate and veto. Instead we are becoming more irrelevant by the day.
10/12/2020 15:41:35 0 0
bbc
He apparently is Irish like all other presidents who built America, unfortunately for him the people who built America were ulster Scots..... Not irish
10/12/2020 17:04:32 0 0
bbc
Biden has far too much work just detoxifying the Trump years - the chaos of English Nationalism and Brexit is appropriately way down his list of priorities
VoR
10/12/2020 18:07:43 0 0
bbc
Umm, you seem to accidentally be saying that any US President might sign up to the terms the EU offered.
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10/12/2020 10:58:48 15 17
bbc
" as well as allowing the possibility of fishing access to each other's waters"

Well I hope it's significantly less than any access we offered in a trade deal. Stick Churchillian fingers up to Macron and his cronies.
71
10/12/2020 11:00:47 3 4
bbc
there sticking theirs up first diplomatically
20
10/12/2020 10:58:13 116 39
bbc
Does lying about the "oven-ready" deal mean that Johnson
1. has to resign?
2. has to apologise?
3. resign and apologise?
4. brazen it out like a good lying tory?
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10/12/2020 11:00:48 76 16
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After Raab and Patel, we all know the answer to that one.
10/12/2020 11:48:25 1 5
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Thought all you remainers had moved to your beloved Europe.
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10/12/2020 10:56:58 52 19
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So we are left with a. bunch of lairs then
73
10/12/2020 11:01:03 0 4
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Lairs, or liars? ??
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10/12/2020 11:01:06 1302 302
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"Sunlit Uplands"

"Easiest Deal"

"'The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards"

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"

"I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019"

"The Conservative party will ensure that we fulfil our duty in ensuring that stability"

All lies as quoted by Tories and Brexiteers.
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10/12/2020 11:10:17 504 893
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Britain would have been happy with a Canada style deal, mooted by the EU as well. The fact that we didn’t get it is down to the EU desire to cherry pick and punish the UK. Shame to say this is the tip of the iceberg as the relationship will seriously deteriorate. The EU is probably expecting a 10% drop in trade but I’d expect EU-UK trade to drop to a tiny amount
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10/12/2020 11:11:53 40 152
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You confuse thoughts, aspirations and views with promises.
I promise not to think of you as being dim although you are trying hard to convince people you are.
667
10/12/2020 11:25:45 111 22
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Top post - thanks for reminding us of the lies
832
10/12/2020 11:33:16 109 14
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If we don't get a deal, when will the proceedings for Misleading Parliament begin?
10/12/2020 12:03:06 3 2
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Your copy and paste keys must be worn out by now.
R1
10/12/2020 12:07:58 4 9
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Clearly fake news that you've posted. Not one verifiable source identified ! The boundary between speculation and the truth blurred again. Perhaps a job application to the BBC would be in order !!
10/12/2020 12:08:40 7 0
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The ‘establishment’ and its supporting newspapers told us what to do. Tory lemmings in a Toryfied U.K. At least the tax avoiders can sigh with relief.
10/12/2020 12:13:28 4 1
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But you forget the Unicorns! I'm still waiting for mine.
10/12/2020 12:14:27 0 0
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Not all Tories
10/12/2020 12:29:12 0 0
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Not Brexiterrs. Brexit Errs
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10/12/2020 10:57:30 26 26
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I see the Eu is going to have equal access to our waters in case of NO deal.. I think they are misguided, as in event of no deal, they will have NO access.
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10/12/2020 11:01:09 6 6
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I think they're looking after your interests more than the current government
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10/12/2020 10:58:39 305 95
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The picture used in the news report is perfect. One side shows the end result of Jingoism, faux nationalism and personal interest.
Meanwhile on the right is the product of co-opperation, compromise and synergy of ideas.
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10/12/2020 11:01:09 34 8
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something fishy going on.
10/12/2020 12:28:36 3 0
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kipper johnson.
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10/12/2020 10:59:41 15 6
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'Wonderif' however much we bleat about the competance of govt. officials, Boris in particular - we voted for them. Collectively, it's our fault is it not?
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10/12/2020 11:01:11 7 6
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No because we were lied to about oven readiness etc last December. He also was mendacious about the NI agreement he was voted in on.
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10/12/2020 11:07:46 0 1
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We were lied to all along since the idea surfaced back in the 70's.

Research back and have a look.

A worthwhile listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZA1-scNMg
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10/12/2020 11:01:12 33 19
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If mr macron is one of the main stumbling blocks on his requirement to rule British territorial waters, he should be made well aware that French industry along with several of ours will be one of the first to suffer the consequence of no deal no access.
He should tell his own steadfast unbendable approach for market protection means they (the French) cannot fish in British waters from 1 jan 21.
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Gez
10/12/2020 11:06:50 43 6
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Compromise is key, there's little point in not sharing territorial waters if you don't have a market for the fish. 70% of the catch goes to Europe...
10/12/2020 12:31:35 1 1
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And exactly how do you intend to enforce that with our planeless aircraft carriers?
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10/12/2020 10:58:49 46 35
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So the EU plans include the possibility of fishing in UK waters do they!?
The fact they won't agree a Trade Deal because they don't respect our sovereignty should be enough to tell them they have NO Chance.
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10/12/2020 11:01:21 16 6
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I laughed at that too - says a lot about how important fishing in UK waters is to the EU. I was partly hoping to see our borders being robustly defended come New Years Day :-D
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10/12/2020 11:24:20 3 2
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Wait till you see the size of the fishing grounds of England/Wales and N. Ireland WHEN Scotland becomes independent. Scotland has by far the largest fishing grounds of any present day UK country. Check it out.
10/12/2020 12:00:44 0 0
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The fishing clause is the EU's version of the controversial clauses in the Internal Markets Bill - a negotiating tactic, which they can give up for concessions on the UK side.
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10/12/2020 10:58:23 765 753
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Why is it a disaster? Most people who voted Brexit wanted a hard exit... short sighted people will play on the turmoil now but only history will decide if it was the right deal!
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10/12/2020 11:01:22 132 40
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Delusional to the end ??????
81
10/12/2020 11:01:29 9 8
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UK Government publish own contingency plans - Blind hope, and singing Rule Britannia apparently and we'll all be fine..........
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10/12/2020 11:01:34 9 9
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Johnson can avoid all these problems by a last-minute climbdown and a proclamation of victory. If he doesn't do that, he's an even bigger fool than I thought.
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10/12/2020 11:01:37 11 9
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Stunningly, stunningly thick
.
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10/12/2020 11:01:40 45 15
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And no public appearance from Boris since last night to calm nerves. Businesses throughout the country are bricking it and still have no clarity. A tweet's enough in his mind.
He'll now probably have to self isolate again until the Christmas holidays.
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10/12/2020 11:04:57 17 26
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I have seen nothing but ‘get ready for 1st Jan’ adverts for 6 months! If you have buried your head in the sand, you are partially to blame.
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10/12/2020 11:01:40 7 11
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UK is out. So stop creating scare mongering.
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10/12/2020 10:59:17 2 16
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'Wonderif' there seems to be a concensus acrossBBC websites HYS that the UK is so weak we need to hang onto the EU apron strings to survive?

Do you have faith in the UK business sector to progress and prosper?
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10/12/2020 11:01:44 2 1
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What’s the mood music from U.K. business been?
255
10/12/2020 11:09:45 0 1
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Depends who you listen too and whether it's a case of sherholders not willing to take a short term loss for long term gain?
10/12/2020 12:40:06 0 0
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Mixed bag to the best of my knowledge. Some polls say some confidence that this'll be fine, some polls are like 'oh no'
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10/12/2020 11:01:45 24 2
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No trade deal was always the end game.
1
10/12/2020 10:55:52 1288 602
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Slow hand clap for everyone who voted for this unmitigated disaster.
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10/12/2020 11:01:51 84 37
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It needs more than a slow hand clap. More like a boot up the Backside.(I'm desperately trying to be polite).
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10/12/2020 10:57:21 597 173
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Project fear will be project reality early next year
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10/12/2020 11:01:55 209 68
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jan 1st the beginning
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10/12/2020 11:09:40 15 4
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Of the end....
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10/12/2020 11:10:27 8 28
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get over it loser
46
10/12/2020 10:59:41 15 6
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'Wonderif' however much we bleat about the competance of govt. officials, Boris in particular - we voted for them. Collectively, it's our fault is it not?
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10/12/2020 11:02:00 0 1
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Yup!.... we reap what we sow.
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10/12/2020 10:59:26 429 83
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What planet does Raab live on? Of course negotiations should continue beyond Sunday. Even if we don’t have a trade agreement in place for January 1st we should aim to have something agreed as soon as possible thereafter. Businesses and livelihoods depend on it, you incompetent buffoon.
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10/12/2020 11:02:02 123 218
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There's already one in place. That's the whole reason the WTO is there in the first place - a standard trade agreement.

The UK used to be at the forefront of pushing that standard trade agreement to replace all the others.
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10/12/2020 11:10:23 50 4
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The WTO is a temporary stepping stone used as a stop-gap before countries arrange better deals with each other. It's not something we should aspire to stick with in regard to our biggest trading partners, that would be absurd.
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10/12/2020 11:17:24 49 3
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It isn't a trade agreement. Relying on WTO rules is due to the absence of a trade agreement. It is far from optimal, otherwise everyone would use it and not bother with trade agreements.
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10/12/2020 11:36:49 44 1
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The WTO isn't a trade agreement, it's simply a mechanism, a loose framework, to enable trade to continue between countries by regulating tariffs and to mediate between parties in the case of disagreements. A trade deal usually makes trade tariff-free and makes trade much smoother by aligning standards and easing customs checks. Even better is being in a trading bloc - er like the EU for instance.
10/12/2020 11:35:53 35 0
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Except the WTO doesn't apply to services. We are a service based economy. Also WTO rules do not concern themselves with non tariff barriers to market entry. Were they the panacea that some imagine them to be there would scarce be need for individual trade agreements. Increasingly the WTO is dominated by US & China, good luck with that
xlr
10/12/2020 11:53:53 31 0
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These days WTO is more like universal credit - it's there for you if you need it to prevent absolute disaster, but you'd be better off never going on it and you want to get off it as soon as possible.
10/12/2020 11:58:40 28 0
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Which is why everyone throws their FTAs in the bin and embraces WTO.

I'll generously assume you were joking....
10/12/2020 12:15:57 14 0
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Take the blinkers off .
10/12/2020 12:30:35 19 0
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Yes. It is called the free trade area with the Eu which we are about, stupidly, to leave.
10/12/2020 12:27:53 6 0