UK has 'no authority' to impose tariffs in Boeing row says US
10/12/2020 | news | business | 300
The US says the UK has no place participating in the fight because it has left the EU.
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10/12/2020 10:03:28 131 35
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Poor little Brexit Britain, a mere minnow compared to the big fish of the US and EU.
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10/12/2020 10:20:17 36 99
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At least we are not corrupt and protectionist.
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10/12/2020 10:45:42 6 61
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If you hate Britain so much (as you clearly do) then migrate.

You've had 4 years to do so.

Let people who want to be here live here.

Bye x
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10/12/2020 12:46:14 12 0
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Yes and with the emerging new trade bloc in the far east - bigger than the EU or the USA - we are going to struggle. Far from regaining 'sovereignty' we will have to perform circus acts at the whim of those we want to trade with.
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10/12/2020 14:51:26 0 2
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Then why are the EU so worried about competition from the UK
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10/12/2020 21:31:05 0 2
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Feeling pretty good here in Brexit Britain, better than a loser.
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10/12/2020 10:09:26 0 6
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Naturally, the US aerospace industry is large, powerful and creative, so are a number of other countries' however, these factors alone are not decisive. There are many others including cultural factors. It might be useful to remember this.
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10/12/2020 10:10:13 23 3
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Does that mean any US sanction on the EU will no longer apply when we leave?
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10/12/2020 10:41:34 25 1
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No
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10/12/2020 16:16:07 3 0
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The UK was one of the countries specifically identified in the US case, thus the sanctions do apply.
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10/12/2020 10:10:52 104 29
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Well Done BoJo and your hapless band of Brexiteers, the US will take the UK for everything it can and leave us, the citizens of the UK at their mercy. This clearly demonstrates that the UK Govt doesn't understand the rules of the game and has no strategy for going forward. Just look at the 'Deal' Liz Truss has made with Singapore, it gives us the same as we have now. How is that an improvement?
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10/12/2020 11:13:22 46 10
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The current UK Govt clearly understands the rules of the political game and how to win the elections... and that is - cure your childhood frustrations through spins and lies to the naive and semi-literate electorate about "taking control of our borders" and other nonsense.... The early insight of what's to come as a result of Brexit and empty posturing is right here in front of us...
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10/12/2020 11:14:51 1 12
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You live in a lot of fear.
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10/12/2020 12:50:14 0 10
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So I guess you've fully read the Singapore deal rather than jump on the BBC's bandwagon. Naturally Auntie can't resist adding the customary snide comment at the end of the news piece concerning the existing EU deal because that's what it does!
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10/12/2020 22:43:15 2 0
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USA won’t leave us, although they might make us a non voting territory like Puerto Rico.
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10/12/2020 10:11:19 133 20
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The fact that the UK's trade "experts" don't seem to have realised this doesn't really fill you with confidence that they're ideally placed to strike a deal with the EU, somehow.

Sigh.
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10/12/2020 11:58:25 77 13
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Bu But we hold all the cards for trade post brexit....

sigh.
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10/12/2020 12:33:27 5 0
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Or anyone else for that matter!
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10/12/2020 14:48:40 1 4
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We are well placed for a trade deal and there will be one in time but perhaps not this year. The current issues are not about trade but control. No deal will end the discussion about control we can then talk about trade in due course.
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10/12/2020 16:40:42 4 0
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Following on from Biden phone call re Ireland, which nudged the current agreement this week, This is another not so subtle reminder from the US as to who is really in charge. It isn’t BJ and clowns.
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-- On Wednesday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson's spokesman said Britain's Department for International Trade had "confirmed that we would be able to legally impose these tariffs outside of the EU". --

It's in the actual article. I'll be kind and assume it wasn't present in an earlier version to which you responded.
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10/12/2020 10:13:05 12 11
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Butt out Yanks.
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10/12/2020 10:13:56 13 7
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Meaning?
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10/12/2020 10:13:55 71 17
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So Johnson and his troupe of clowns even got this tariff question wrong? Why am I not surprised at this total failure of this bunch of braying buffoons posing as our 'Government'?
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10/12/2020 10:21:58 58 10
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Sadly they are our government, by choice of the people fooled to believe in their empirical lies. We are out of the EU with no deal and by fooling us to say we could get a deal like Australia is another way of saying we could get a deal like Afghanistan.
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10/12/2020 20:58:46 0 0
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Wait? You're believing the US over the UK on a matter of UK and international law?

The US can't even agree their own law - 7 states taking another 4 states to court right now over something as basic as an election.
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10/12/2020 10:13:05 12 11
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Butt out Yanks.
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10/12/2020 10:13:56 13 7
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Meaning?
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10/12/2020 10:18:31 13 7
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So if the US says we cannot impose tariffs on the aero industry anyway, why are they still hitting Scotch Whisky?
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10/12/2020 10:25:42 26 0
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because we fall under the conclusions reached by the WTO and even out of the EU we are still part of Airbus and as such the subsidies they receive.
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10/12/2020 10:42:43 12 0
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We are still part of the Airbus consortium, we make the wings, However we have no control over the tariffs set by the EU since we have now left.
So the yanks are right we are in now in a worst position
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10/12/2020 10:03:28 131 35
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Poor little Brexit Britain, a mere minnow compared to the big fish of the US and EU.
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10/12/2020 10:20:17 36 99
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At least we are not corrupt and protectionist.
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10/12/2020 10:24:48 46 1
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NOT CORRUPT! The Tory Covid-19 'chumocracy'!
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10/12/2020 10:46:16 28 3
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No but we will be broke and desolate and looking through the EU & USA market windows from the cold outside
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10/12/2020 10:46:21 30 1
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Not corrupt building schemes PPE test track and trace now no one is watching us just watch how corrupt the elite will get
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10/12/2020 10:49:35 22 1
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what on earth gave you that idea ?
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10/12/2020 12:50:22 7 0
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But of course you can't put forward any evidence of corruption in EU institutions.
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10/12/2020 13:31:21 4 0
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What do you think leaving the EU is all about... lolz
We are not protectionist? So we will setting all our WTO tariffs at zero, alloying China et al tariff free access to our markets?
Or would you like to reconsider your comment
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10/12/2020 13:40:43 7 0
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We're one of the most corrupt nations on earth.
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10/12/2020 13:42:59 7 0
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Wow this is embarrassing, we do our best crawling and get told to buzz off.
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10/12/2020 14:06:50 5 0
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Who says?
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10/12/2020 14:12:47 5 0
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A true cult member
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10/12/2020 14:32:46 5 0
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Not corrupt???? are you kidding? What about the billions given to tory mates who never even had any experience of supplying any kind of healthcare kit? That hasn`t even materialised?? The missing money somewhere between Singapore, Spain, Miami and the British Virgin Islands? The £12 billion for a failed track and trace, Matt Hancock`s ex local pub landlord the list goes on and on and on.....
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10/12/2020 14:44:09 5 0
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You can say this after BoZo's mates got various contracts even though they had no knowledge or expertise in that field. massively corrupt UK Govt.
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10/12/2020 16:09:58 3 0
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A pretty sweeping statement when you look at this Cabinet and its background, or don't politicians count.
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10/12/2020 16:28:32 5 0
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you are being sarcastic , right ? 100 million ferry contract to a company with no ferries ?
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10/12/2020 16:38:05 3 0
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Not corrupt....? Ask Reece Mogg about his father.
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10/12/2020 18:38:08 2 0
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So what we you have to offer to the world when Airbus, Toyota and Nissan go? There will be nothing to protect anyway.
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10/12/2020 19:26:45 2 0
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Jenrick saving Desmond £45 million in return for £40k bung to the Tories, PPE contracts more likely to go to companies 'recommended' by Tory MPs/Ministers. Test & Trace outsourced to private firms with no experience in public health. Contracts awarded/positions filled with no tenders or job adverts. P.M.'s mistress's friend given an unadvertised job at Home Office. What do you call corrupt?????
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11/12/2020 09:44:44 0 0
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As proven by Robert Jenrick for one, and the PPE contracts awarded to Tory cronies for another....
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10/12/2020 10:13:55 71 17
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So Johnson and his troupe of clowns even got this tariff question wrong? Why am I not surprised at this total failure of this bunch of braying buffoons posing as our 'Government'?
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10/12/2020 10:21:58 58 10
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Sadly they are our government, by choice of the people fooled to believe in their empirical lies. We are out of the EU with no deal and by fooling us to say we could get a deal like Australia is another way of saying we could get a deal like Afghanistan.
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10/12/2020 10:22:45 1 2
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We aren't doing anyway. What this, who's got the biggest ball hocks competition?
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10/12/2020 10:20:17 36 99
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At least we are not corrupt and protectionist.
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10/12/2020 10:24:48 46 1
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NOT CORRUPT! The Tory Covid-19 'chumocracy'!
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10/12/2020 18:04:03 4 0
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An what about £25M to Matt ancock's pub former owner?
£45M to an intermediary of a firm in the Virgin Islands for PPEs that were never delivered?
Andthe redoubtable D.Harding ion charge of the most pathetic (BJ: "world beater") test-and-trace fo £12B?
And please, either produce facts or it is slander.
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10/12/2020 10:18:31 13 7
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So if the US says we cannot impose tariffs on the aero industry anyway, why are they still hitting Scotch Whisky?
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10/12/2020 10:25:42 26 0
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because we fall under the conclusions reached by the WTO and even out of the EU we are still part of Airbus and as such the subsidies they receive.
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10/12/2020 10:26:03 79 11
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It just shows how exposed the UK now is when we are trying to make friends and we just get the cold shoulder. Not only that but those we are trying to befriend are going to use the Whisky tariffs as a bargaining tool to get something that suits them, not us. You couldn't write a better disaster story.
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10/12/2020 11:13:41 13 40
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It really doesn't.
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10/12/2020 10:31:52 39 9
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What’s the problem we have to abide by WTO rules, so we will have to get used to it. When USA says jump, we will say how High. Will wait and see this times next year,Boris,ERG &Farage will have to sort out the mess they started.
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10/12/2020 16:50:05 4 1
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Tories do not do housework. They either have cleaners or au pairs. Wonder what the tariffs will be on au pairs?
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10/12/2020 10:33:51 128 27
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The Uk may have left the EU but we are still part of the Airbus consortium. We have no power to negotiate since Airbus falls under EU rules and since we are no longer a part of the EU we can have no input .
The worst of all deals well done Boris the Buffoon
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10/12/2020 10:59:18 17 46
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No we are not apart of it. Airbus is a France/Germany company, which has a few factories in the UK
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10/12/2020 11:18:48 16 0
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Today, Airbus is the largest commercial aerospace company in the UK, as well as its biggest civil aerospace exporter. The majority of the wings on Airbus commercial aircraft are designed and built there.
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10/12/2020 14:30:47 1 3
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As some one who worked on the project. We as a country were never part of the consortium. Nor were we able to influence the decision making and tendering process within the EU.
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10/12/2020 14:55:16 2 3
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Perhaps we should consider our own airline business. The current designs from Airbus and Boeing are dead. Greenhouse gasses and all that. New tech is needed and we should design it.
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10/12/2020 18:53:00 1 1
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No B.Ae having spent forty years killing or selling off General Aviation, then Stopping Commercial Aviation, sold off its Airbus component in Wings near to Liverpool!
to get on with Military Aerospace that it cannot do alone, it suddenly requires Swedish expertise, and Italian Aero-muscle, Hhmmm Vunderbar ist unmoglich !!
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10/12/2020 19:34:29 0 1
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The UK doesn't leave the EU until 31/12/2020
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10/12/2020 10:41:08 72 11
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Your best mate swatting you away like a fly.... Oh dearie me.
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10/12/2020 13:00:43 48 10
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Wait until the terms of the trade deal that the US wants become clear, i.e. access to NHS contracts, private courts to take the UK to court in trade disputes, automatic access to emerging markets, sub-standard food, removal of country of origin statements from food....

The list is long and very much in favour of US interests....
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10/12/2020 10:10:13 23 3
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Does that mean any US sanction on the EU will no longer apply when we leave?
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10/12/2020 10:41:34 25 1
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No
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10/12/2020 10:18:31 13 7
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So if the US says we cannot impose tariffs on the aero industry anyway, why are they still hitting Scotch Whisky?
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10/12/2020 10:42:43 12 0
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We are still part of the Airbus consortium, we make the wings, However we have no control over the tariffs set by the EU since we have now left.
So the yanks are right we are in now in a worst position
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10/12/2020 10:43:24 1 7
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US Trade rep - a Biden person?

A Trump person would have used the removal of tariffs as a victory for the relationship
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10/12/2020 10:47:26 7 3
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Sorry mate but Biden isn't in power until January. So take your slap and know your place.
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10/12/2020 10:45:22 37 8
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little Britain !
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10/12/2020 13:02:56 26 4
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.... and possibly little England - when the other three get fed up of the antics of our largest "partner" in the Union.
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10/12/2020 10:03:28 131 35
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Poor little Brexit Britain, a mere minnow compared to the big fish of the US and EU.
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10/12/2020 10:45:42 6 61
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If you hate Britain so much (as you clearly do) then migrate.

You've had 4 years to do so.

Let people who want to be here live here.

Bye x
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10/12/2020 11:12:54 38 2
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I want to stay and see Britain prosper. That's why I oppose Brexit. Only a quitter would run away.
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10/12/2020 11:13:50 31 0
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You had 40+ years to leave the EU, since you obviously dislike of so much.

Did you? If not, why expect other people to do what you were clearly not prepared to do?
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10/12/2020 12:00:44 33 1
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So, scrutinising the UK or calling out stupid decisions must mean you hate the country? Grow up, it's the kind of language an abusive partner would use. If you can't handle a bit of scrutiny or condemnation then you must not be a very strong willed individual
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10/12/2020 12:04:38 32 1
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How dare you just because you disagee with what I believe does not give you the right to throw away the 16 years I spent in Her Majesties Armed Forces around the world risking my life on many occasions.
Vile comments like yours have been heard in Europe and Cambodia which have lead to the murder of millions.
Democracy is about standing up for the rights of others when they show tollerence.
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10/12/2020 12:55:46 19 0
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Why is it unpatriotic to point out that a decision we took was poorly made? What could be MORE patriotic than wishing the country was in a better place??

You can love your country while regretting the decisions it's made. Just like you can love family even in the face of the decisions they make. You dont abandon them when they lose their way.
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10/12/2020 13:21:56 11 0
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This is where Brexit gets messed up. Love my country, but Brexit was not in my countries interest. You should look in the mirror for traitors.
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10/12/2020 18:01:11 0 1
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This is really a good comment. Next time please DO NOT come out with thias garbage.
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10/12/2020 19:31:10 2 0
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I want to be here but I want to live in a country worthy of respect. I want the country to prosper. I'll stick around & try to work towards that. What are you going to do to improve things? We don't hate Britain and we haven't aimed to make it poorer, chaotic and corrupt. Not sure about the Govt...
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10/12/2020 19:50:11 2 0
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That is an infantile argument. The reality is, people who love their country are distressed at seeing it being destroyed.
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10/12/2020 10:20:17 36 99
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At least we are not corrupt and protectionist.
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10/12/2020 10:46:16 28 3
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No but we will be broke and desolate and looking through the EU & USA market windows from the cold outside
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10/12/2020 10:20:17 36 99
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At least we are not corrupt and protectionist.
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10/12/2020 10:46:21 30 1
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Not corrupt building schemes PPE test track and trace now no one is watching us just watch how corrupt the elite will get
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10/12/2020 10:43:24 1 7
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US Trade rep - a Biden person?

A Trump person would have used the removal of tariffs as a victory for the relationship
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10/12/2020 10:47:26 7 3
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Sorry mate but Biden isn't in power until January. So take your slap and know your place.
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10/12/2020 10:20:17 36 99
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At least we are not corrupt and protectionist.
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10/12/2020 10:49:35 22 1
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what on earth gave you that idea ?
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10/12/2020 10:21:26 2 6
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I just find this news article very odd. Why on earth would the UK want to even consider imposing tariffs in relation to aircraft subsidies? When we’re outside EU, it is no longer our fight, so it no longer has anything to do with us unless the US decides to include the UK in the fight still.
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10/12/2020 11:04:47 10 1
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Of course it applies to us. We manufacture the wings, among other parts. To a brexiteer ignorance is bliss.
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10/12/2020 11:07:08 0 1
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You should know that these same subsidising actions over many, many years caused the effective eradication of the British aircraft design, development and manufacturing.
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10/12/2020 12:01:06 2 0
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You do realise we make the wings and some of the engines for airbus?Some education can be most useful at times also thinking at more than a gossamer level is also good.
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10/12/2020 10:51:12 41 6
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On Wednesday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson's spokesman said Britain's Department for International Trade had "confirmed that we would be able to legally impose these tariffs outside of the EU".

But the UK government can ignore International trade laws when it sees fit, couldn't make it up.
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10/12/2020 11:04:18 11 31
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Stop pretending there is such a thing as "international law". There are just a set of inter-state treaties than any side can decide to change at any time, just has the USA under Trump. The phrase "international law" is an invention used by hyperbolists purely because they think that using the phrase strengthen their case.
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10/12/2020 10:52:37 9 6
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Well, in that case we should double the tariffs to make a point or admit we're just a third-world backward colony. This endless US bullying under the pretext of "special relations" just have to stop.
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10/12/2020 11:11:50 6 18
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When you type "third world backward colony" does it appease your petulance at losing a democratic vote 4 years ago?

I mean it's clearly crazy right - 5th largest economy in the world, NATO member, Olympic and Paralympic #2 - across economic, military, social worlds the UK is a big hitter and will remain so regardless of Brexit.
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10/12/2020 10:52:50 3 1
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Just goes to emphasise how important it is to increase skills, education, training and encourage entrepreneurs so that Britain can compete globally, and hopefully take a lead in what we do well.
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10/12/2020 11:02:19 4 0
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how are we gone do that, in teh past 30 years we have possitioned us into importing almost everything, from raw materials, goods, services to labour

Yes labour, even over 20% of our NHS is foreign trained and new medical grduate number are tropping
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10/12/2020 10:53:01 10 0
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We had no option so stop trying to sprinkle the glitter. Let’s just face it we have been had
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10/12/2020 10:54:26 1 2
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So the US can uphold any tariffs because we were part of the Eu when it was imposed

Just from a legal point, the sactions came in force while part of the EU in the transition time, meaning it is fully leagal to maintain them in order not to undermine future relationships with the EU

This is comparable with a judgement by a court received 2 years ago, then the law changes but the judgement stands
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10/12/2020 10:58:04 1 0
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Not quite sure this anology applies, although it sounds wonderfully simplisitic and presentable without further scrutiny!
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10/12/2020 11:09:54 1 0
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Read the US comment in the article - they sued the EU and certain individual countries including the UK separately. So they can maintain it against the UK because we were individually named.

Almost like the US knew what they were doing! Oh for some of that attention to detail in HMG...
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10/12/2020 10:54:30 1 5
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And of course equally the tariff put on the EU will no longer apply the the UK as the US put it 'it is no longer a member'.
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10/12/2020 11:09:15 11 0
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Read the US comment in the article - they sued the EU and certain individual countries including the UK separately. So they can. Almost like they knew what they were doing! Oh for some of that attention to detail in HMG...
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10/12/2020 10:54:26 1 2
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So the US can uphold any tariffs because we were part of the Eu when it was imposed

Just from a legal point, the sactions came in force while part of the EU in the transition time, meaning it is fully leagal to maintain them in order not to undermine future relationships with the EU

This is comparable with a judgement by a court received 2 years ago, then the law changes but the judgement stands
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10/12/2020 10:58:04 1 0
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Not quite sure this anology applies, although it sounds wonderfully simplisitic and presentable without further scrutiny!
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10/12/2020 10:33:51 128 27
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The Uk may have left the EU but we are still part of the Airbus consortium. We have no power to negotiate since Airbus falls under EU rules and since we are no longer a part of the EU we can have no input .
The worst of all deals well done Boris the Buffoon
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10/12/2020 10:59:18 17 46
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No we are not apart of it. Airbus is a France/Germany company, which has a few factories in the UK
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10/12/2020 11:12:29 17 0
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And a massive amount of components made here! All the technical stuff per Digby Jones when he speaks of it. So our trade is still at risk..
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10/12/2020 11:13:37 17 1
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We make the wings check your facts
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10/12/2020 12:51:12 12 0
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Tell the highly skilled workers at Broughton that.
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10/12/2020 13:20:17 14 0
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25 Sites,
12,500 UK direct employees,
Over £7B contributed to the UK GDP.
Over £5B spent with UK suppliers, supporting over 110,000 UK jobs

Thats a massive total impact for 'a few factories'
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10/12/2020 14:11:13 6 0
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Few factories but very high value products. At Marconi Space, now Airbus Space Portsmouth we had a £700million order book and couldn't get the skilled staff required to fulfil it
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10/12/2020 14:28:59 7 0
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Depends what you mean by "part of it" - Airbus is HQ'd elsewhere but employs 12,500 people in good jobs in Wales, and no doubt an income for suppliers also.

EADS private share capital (49% of the total) will include some portion coming from UK investors including pension funds

What is a "British" business these days? Hard to define
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10/12/2020 14:54:11 4 0
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Few factories in the UK, for the time being. Will be an obvious additional casualty.
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10/12/2020 15:53:43 4 0
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Only because a Tory Government flogged off our share, like they did with everything else we owned such as the Utility Companies who are all either French or German, or the Car Industry that is now either Indian or Chinese. You were sold a lie; you swallowed it and I hope that you choke on it.
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10/12/2020 16:18:17 3 1
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against ignorance even the gods battle in vein
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nev
10/12/2020 11:01:40 62 13
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We go begging to the EU and now we go begging to the US. And they both respond with fully justifiable contempt.
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10/12/2020 12:56:47 7 31
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Nev where and when in the last year has The UK gone begging to the EU ?

Selfkidology Say something so many times you start to believe in what your saying is right,
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10/12/2020 10:52:50 3 1
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Just goes to emphasise how important it is to increase skills, education, training and encourage entrepreneurs so that Britain can compete globally, and hopefully take a lead in what we do well.
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10/12/2020 11:02:19 4 0
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how are we gone do that, in teh past 30 years we have possitioned us into importing almost everything, from raw materials, goods, services to labour

Yes labour, even over 20% of our NHS is foreign trained and new medical grduate number are tropping
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10/12/2020 11:03:29 54 5
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Taking back control of f-all.
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10/12/2020 13:01:52 22 3
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Indeed - and that includes the national debt - and the integrity of the Union itself.
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10/12/2020 11:03:49 4 14
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Wow a lot still carry a grudge that we are no longer part of the EU, get over it, look to the future, opportunities will be their to trade with whoever we want be patient. Unite as a nation and in a few years we will wonder why we did not leave sooner.
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10/12/2020 11:06:47 10 0
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You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time.
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10/12/2020 11:19:59 4 0
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Measurable benefits please.
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10/12/2020 11:33:15 5 0
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Name a real benefit and please don't say sovereignty.
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10/12/2020 11:47:56 5 0
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Not everyone is that stupid I'm afraid, only common sense will unite this country and all I see at the moment is stupidity on an enormous scale.

If Brexiter's think that blind patriotism will get them out of this pickle - you are wrong!
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10/12/2020 10:51:12 41 6
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On Wednesday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson's spokesman said Britain's Department for International Trade had "confirmed that we would be able to legally impose these tariffs outside of the EU".

But the UK government can ignore International trade laws when it sees fit, couldn't make it up.
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10/12/2020 11:04:18 11 31
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Stop pretending there is such a thing as "international law". There are just a set of inter-state treaties than any side can decide to change at any time, just has the USA under Trump. The phrase "international law" is an invention used by hyperbolists purely because they think that using the phrase strengthen their case.
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10/12/2020 18:41:41 1 0
bbc
Lol
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10/12/2020 19:14:42 3 0
bbc
One side cant unilaterally decide to change the terms of a treaty. Thats the POINT of the treaty.

Sure, you can violate a treaty.. but when why would anyone EVER agree to a treaty with you again?

..Jesus
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10/12/2020 10:21:26 2 6
bbc
I just find this news article very odd. Why on earth would the UK want to even consider imposing tariffs in relation to aircraft subsidies? When we’re outside EU, it is no longer our fight, so it no longer has anything to do with us unless the US decides to include the UK in the fight still.
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nev
10/12/2020 11:04:47 10 1
bbc
Of course it applies to us. We manufacture the wings, among other parts. To a brexiteer ignorance is bliss.
40
jj
10/12/2020 11:03:49 4 14
bbc
Wow a lot still carry a grudge that we are no longer part of the EU, get over it, look to the future, opportunities will be their to trade with whoever we want be patient. Unite as a nation and in a few years we will wonder why we did not leave sooner.
43
10/12/2020 11:06:47 10 0
bbc
You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time.
28
10/12/2020 10:21:26 2 6
bbc
I just find this news article very odd. Why on earth would the UK want to even consider imposing tariffs in relation to aircraft subsidies? When we’re outside EU, it is no longer our fight, so it no longer has anything to do with us unless the US decides to include the UK in the fight still.
44
10/12/2020 11:07:08 0 1
bbc
You should know that these same subsidising actions over many, many years caused the effective eradication of the British aircraft design, development and manufacturing.
45
10/12/2020 11:08:24 12 2
bbc
Penny in the air....

...penny drops
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10/12/2020 10:54:30 1 5
bbc
And of course equally the tariff put on the EU will no longer apply the the UK as the US put it 'it is no longer a member'.
46
10/12/2020 11:09:15 11 0
bbc
Read the US comment in the article - they sued the EU and certain individual countries including the UK separately. So they can. Almost like they knew what they were doing! Oh for some of that attention to detail in HMG...
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10/12/2020 10:54:26 1 2
bbc
So the US can uphold any tariffs because we were part of the Eu when it was imposed

Just from a legal point, the sactions came in force while part of the EU in the transition time, meaning it is fully leagal to maintain them in order not to undermine future relationships with the EU

This is comparable with a judgement by a court received 2 years ago, then the law changes but the judgement stands
47
10/12/2020 11:09:54 1 0
bbc
Read the US comment in the article - they sued the EU and certain individual countries including the UK separately. So they can maintain it against the UK because we were individually named.

Almost like the US knew what they were doing! Oh for some of that attention to detail in HMG...
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10/12/2020 10:52:37 9 6
bbc
Well, in that case we should double the tariffs to make a point or admit we're just a third-world backward colony. This endless US bullying under the pretext of "special relations" just have to stop.
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10/12/2020 11:11:50 6 18
bbc
When you type "third world backward colony" does it appease your petulance at losing a democratic vote 4 years ago?

I mean it's clearly crazy right - 5th largest economy in the world, NATO member, Olympic and Paralympic #2 - across economic, military, social worlds the UK is a big hitter and will remain so regardless of Brexit.
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10/12/2020 11:19:42 7 2
bbc
Sure - put that question to ~50% of the UK population who struggle to make ends meet. I'm sure they'll be quite happy to replace their daily struggle and lack of means to live a decent life with those "glorious" facts.
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10/12/2020 14:53:25 0 1
bbc
In a world dominated by huge economies such as USA and China, leaving the EU is most likely to reduce our influence. An example would be the forecast that as 6th largest economy on GDP, UK forecast to fall to 7th place by 2023.
201
10/12/2020 15:53:47 0 1
bbc
For ‘God’s’ sake strip yourself of the delusion that Britain is still a ‘big hitter’ on the World stage! The real big hitters, as you will soon find out are the USA, China and the EU. Let’s just get used to it and try to make the best of this reality without political posturing which makes us look pathetic.
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10/12/2020 18:55:39 0 1
bbc
Was a big hitter. Apart from the city what will be left? ...and don’t tell me jams please!
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jpg
10/12/2020 10:59:18 17 46
bbc
No we are not apart of it. Airbus is a France/Germany company, which has a few factories in the UK
49
10/12/2020 11:12:29 17 0
bbc
And a massive amount of components made here! All the technical stuff per Digby Jones when he speaks of it. So our trade is still at risk..
50
10/12/2020 11:12:42 7 3
bbc
What a mealy-mouthed mean-spirited response. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
65
10/12/2020 11:33:03 16 2
bbc
Apparently the UK does as it has been making enemies with the EU for the last four years.

Brexiteers like Farage believed Donald Trump was going to come riding in on his unicorn and sweep them off their feet.
23
10/12/2020 10:45:42 6 61
bbc
If you hate Britain so much (as you clearly do) then migrate.

You've had 4 years to do so.

Let people who want to be here live here.

Bye x
51
10/12/2020 11:12:54 38 2
bbc
I want to stay and see Britain prosper. That's why I oppose Brexit. Only a quitter would run away.
57
10/12/2020 11:16:20 4 42
bbc
No, you really don't want to see Britain prosper, instead you petulantly want to be proven right that Brexit was bad. It's disgusting to watch.
4
10/12/2020 10:10:52 104 29
bbc
Well Done BoJo and your hapless band of Brexiteers, the US will take the UK for everything it can and leave us, the citizens of the UK at their mercy. This clearly demonstrates that the UK Govt doesn't understand the rules of the game and has no strategy for going forward. Just look at the 'Deal' Liz Truss has made with Singapore, it gives us the same as we have now. How is that an improvement?
52
10/12/2020 11:13:22 46 10
bbc
The current UK Govt clearly understands the rules of the political game and how to win the elections... and that is - cure your childhood frustrations through spins and lies to the naive and semi-literate electorate about "taking control of our borders" and other nonsense.... The early insight of what's to come as a result of Brexit and empty posturing is right here in front of us...
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jpg
10/12/2020 10:59:18 17 46
bbc
No we are not apart of it. Airbus is a France/Germany company, which has a few factories in the UK
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10/12/2020 11:13:37 17 1
bbc
We make the wings check your facts
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jpg
10/12/2020 22:09:03 0 1
bbc
Yes we do, but this Airbus is not British company and never has been it's previously EADS previously MBB previously messerschmitt.
15
10/12/2020 10:26:03 79 11
bbc
It just shows how exposed the UK now is when we are trying to make friends and we just get the cold shoulder. Not only that but those we are trying to befriend are going to use the Whisky tariffs as a bargaining tool to get something that suits them, not us. You couldn't write a better disaster story.
54
10/12/2020 11:13:41 13 40
bbc
It really doesn't.
81
10/12/2020 12:02:31 3 1
bbc
Why doesn't it?
251
10/12/2020 18:55:29 0 2
bbc
This not going to be a disaster story, it will be by far, far worse, a catastrophe of immense proportions right across the world. Perhaps even to a small war.
23
10/12/2020 10:45:42 6 61
bbc
If you hate Britain so much (as you clearly do) then migrate.

You've had 4 years to do so.

Let people who want to be here live here.

Bye x
55
10/12/2020 11:13:50 31 0
bbc
You had 40+ years to leave the EU, since you obviously dislike of so much.

Did you? If not, why expect other people to do what you were clearly not prepared to do?
4
10/12/2020 10:10:52 104 29
bbc
Well Done BoJo and your hapless band of Brexiteers, the US will take the UK for everything it can and leave us, the citizens of the UK at their mercy. This clearly demonstrates that the UK Govt doesn't understand the rules of the game and has no strategy for going forward. Just look at the 'Deal' Liz Truss has made with Singapore, it gives us the same as we have now. How is that an improvement?
56
10/12/2020 11:14:51 1 12
bbc
You live in a lot of fear.
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10/12/2020 12:51:34 10 0
bbc
Better than living in delusion.
51
10/12/2020 11:12:54 38 2
bbc
I want to stay and see Britain prosper. That's why I oppose Brexit. Only a quitter would run away.
57
10/12/2020 11:16:20 4 42
bbc
No, you really don't want to see Britain prosper, instead you petulantly want to be proven right that Brexit was bad. It's disgusting to watch.
85
10/12/2020 12:06:43 17 0
bbc
Typical insulting comment from a group of people who can only stir up hatred rather than sensible reasoned discusion.
102
10/12/2020 12:36:18 13 0
bbc
So if Brexit is bad we should just accept that?

I really despair!
121
10/12/2020 13:06:31 7 0
bbc
I think the they do want to see Britain prosper, but first thing that needs done is to highlight the damage done, and the utter incompetence of the current UK government, as many seem to be in denial as to the cause.

A final vote by UK public on the outcome would've ratified things. But the dictator was having none of that.
124
10/12/2020 13:20:13 13 0
bbc
No. Rational people observe the facts and understand Brexit has no economic benefits. Please list them if you can.......
128
10/12/2020 13:23:42 4 0
bbc
Errrr, it is bad...
146
10/12/2020 14:01:31 7 0
bbc
Show us the evidence that Brexit is a good idea then. That's all you have to do. No insults. No lies. Just hard facts. What's stopping you?
17
10/12/2020 10:33:51 128 27
bbc
The Uk may have left the EU but we are still part of the Airbus consortium. We have no power to negotiate since Airbus falls under EU rules and since we are no longer a part of the EU we can have no input .
The worst of all deals well done Boris the Buffoon
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10/12/2020 11:18:48 16 0
bbc
Today, Airbus is the largest commercial aerospace company in the UK, as well as its biggest civil aerospace exporter. The majority of the wings on Airbus commercial aircraft are designed and built there.
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10/12/2020 11:11:50 6 18
bbc
When you type "third world backward colony" does it appease your petulance at losing a democratic vote 4 years ago?

I mean it's clearly crazy right - 5th largest economy in the world, NATO member, Olympic and Paralympic #2 - across economic, military, social worlds the UK is a big hitter and will remain so regardless of Brexit.
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10/12/2020 11:19:42 7 2
bbc
Sure - put that question to ~50% of the UK population who struggle to make ends meet. I'm sure they'll be quite happy to replace their daily struggle and lack of means to live a decent life with those "glorious" facts.
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10/12/2020 11:29:37 1 6
bbc
Why not ask them if they want to move to the Congo or to any other real "third world backward colony"?

You think that there aren't food banks in Germany, aren't people struggling to get by in France or Canada?

This juvenile hatred of the UK and associated petulant outpourings make any others positions you make laughable.
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jj
10/12/2020 11:03:49 4 14
bbc
Wow a lot still carry a grudge that we are no longer part of the EU, get over it, look to the future, opportunities will be their to trade with whoever we want be patient. Unite as a nation and in a few years we will wonder why we did not leave sooner.
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10/12/2020 11:19:59 4 0
bbc
Measurable benefits please.
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10/12/2020 11:27:51 31 4
bbc
Another oven ready deal with usa.
120
10/12/2020 13:03:12 15 2
bbc
It's a TV dinner - and not a good one.
59
10/12/2020 11:19:42 7 2
bbc
Sure - put that question to ~50% of the UK population who struggle to make ends meet. I'm sure they'll be quite happy to replace their daily struggle and lack of means to live a decent life with those "glorious" facts.
62
10/12/2020 11:29:37 1 6
bbc
Why not ask them if they want to move to the Congo or to any other real "third world backward colony"?

You think that there aren't food banks in Germany, aren't people struggling to get by in France or Canada?

This juvenile hatred of the UK and associated petulant outpourings make any others positions you make laughable.
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10/12/2020 11:46:29 6 1
bbc
I don't know about France, Germany or Congo but not sure how acceptance of the existence of food-banks in the 5th largest economy and NATO member (btw, irrelevant and uncorrelated facts) is interpreted as the love of the UK while concerns about the social inequality and sticking up for ourselves in relation to other nations are "juvenile hatred" ??
78
10/12/2020 11:59:32 4 1
bbc
More Brexit spin. You're confusing hatred of Tories, UKIP & Brexit supporters for hatred of the UK. Nothing can be further from the truth & our concern is that this corrupt, Tory wet dream will ruin us. The fact that Brexit is a disaster for the UK seems lost on you so can you name one benefit? When you answer 'control of our own laws', you should provide an example.
63
10/12/2020 11:31:06 6 2
bbc
Typical USA. Give them an inch and they take a mile.
Do not lower tariffs without reciprocity.
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10/12/2020 11:32:56 9 5
bbc
As one suspected, a Democrat President will be anti-UK. They have been in the past and will be in the future. It matters little. We don't want their food and other items can trade just as now. Still, perhaps remove the US military bases from the UK.
72
10/12/2020 11:49:46 9 2
bbc
He's not really anti UK he is pro Ireland. But your are right accepting a foreign country having sovereign bases on your Island doesn't sound like taking back control to me ! They probably even eat our fish !
50
10/12/2020 11:12:42 7 3
bbc
What a mealy-mouthed mean-spirited response. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
65
10/12/2020 11:33:03 16 2
bbc
Apparently the UK does as it has been making enemies with the EU for the last four years.

Brexiteers like Farage believed Donald Trump was going to come riding in on his unicorn and sweep them off their feet.
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10/12/2020 11:55:06 0 9
bbc
Nonsense. The UK bent over backwards to try to maintain a good relationship with the EU, but you can't make somebody be your friend if they don't want to be.

I hope we continue the friendly overtures, though - not because we are desperate for friends, but because tariffs make everybody poorer. I look forward to paying less for my US-imported oranges and ketchup next year.
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jj
10/12/2020 11:03:49 4 14
bbc
Wow a lot still carry a grudge that we are no longer part of the EU, get over it, look to the future, opportunities will be their to trade with whoever we want be patient. Unite as a nation and in a few years we will wonder why we did not leave sooner.
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10/12/2020 11:33:15 5 0
bbc
Name a real benefit and please don't say sovereignty.
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Jon
10/12/2020 11:22:41 6 4
bbc
Well, I'm sure the EU will sort that mess out within their usual 10 year span of sorting anything.
88
10/12/2020 12:09:20 12 2
bbc
While we in the UK excel in sorting everything within days, including chronic NHS under funding and lack of staff, every single infrastructure project costing double the original price and delayed, prompt and timely implementation of Brexit (sic) ....come on mate, I can go forever...
68
10/12/2020 11:42:43 14 4
bbc
UK on the phone? who ? oh yeah that little island off the coast of Europe.
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10/12/2020 16:22:11 4 0
bbc
Do you really believe the current tenant of the White house knows where the UK is? Sorry of course he does he owns a golf course in Scotland - although he might not know Scotland is part of the UK.

Our problems begin when Biden takes over, he knows about the UK, and Ireland.
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10/12/2020 11:45:21 3 6
bbc
The US make it up as it goes along like any country with a trade dispute, they ignore the WTO with impunity when it suits just like EU, this is a non story but good remainer fodder, the US see us as a bridge to the EU, that is all changing, its dog eat dog now, hold on to your seats we though are uniqely placed to take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit with world class education and buisness
74
10/12/2020 11:54:47 8 5
bbc
A world class education but can't spell 'business' eh ! what could possibly go wrong with the Brexit delusion !
76
10/12/2020 11:55:30 0 0
bbc
Really that’s what you get from the article? Just shows both the US and EU don’t even count is in there deliberations any more....
62
10/12/2020 11:29:37 1 6
bbc
Why not ask them if they want to move to the Congo or to any other real "third world backward colony"?

You think that there aren't food banks in Germany, aren't people struggling to get by in France or Canada?

This juvenile hatred of the UK and associated petulant outpourings make any others positions you make laughable.
70
10/12/2020 11:46:29 6 1
bbc
I don't know about France, Germany or Congo but not sure how acceptance of the existence of food-banks in the 5th largest economy and NATO member (btw, irrelevant and uncorrelated facts) is interpreted as the love of the UK while concerns about the social inequality and sticking up for ourselves in relation to other nations are "juvenile hatred" ??
89
10/12/2020 12:09:54 1 3
bbc
You said the UK was a "third-world backward colony" - I was showing you that by your definition every country in the world is a "third world backward colony" and thereby suggesting your statement was nothing but juvenile butt-hurt petulance at losing a vote four years ago.
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jj
10/12/2020 11:03:49 4 14
bbc
Wow a lot still carry a grudge that we are no longer part of the EU, get over it, look to the future, opportunities will be their to trade with whoever we want be patient. Unite as a nation and in a few years we will wonder why we did not leave sooner.
71
10/12/2020 11:47:56 5 0
bbc
Not everyone is that stupid I'm afraid, only common sense will unite this country and all I see at the moment is stupidity on an enormous scale.

If Brexiter's think that blind patriotism will get them out of this pickle - you are wrong!
64
10/12/2020 11:32:56 9 5
bbc
As one suspected, a Democrat President will be anti-UK. They have been in the past and will be in the future. It matters little. We don't want their food and other items can trade just as now. Still, perhaps remove the US military bases from the UK.
72
10/12/2020 11:49:46 9 2
bbc
He's not really anti UK he is pro Ireland. But your are right accepting a foreign country having sovereign bases on your Island doesn't sound like taking back control to me ! They probably even eat our fish !
183
10/12/2020 14:57:27 0 0
bbc
if fish aren't important it won't be a problem for the EU to give them up.
73
10/12/2020 11:51:09 0 0
bbc
Hmmm .... could be handbags at two metres
69
10/12/2020 11:45:21 3 6
bbc
The US make it up as it goes along like any country with a trade dispute, they ignore the WTO with impunity when it suits just like EU, this is a non story but good remainer fodder, the US see us as a bridge to the EU, that is all changing, its dog eat dog now, hold on to your seats we though are uniqely placed to take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit with world class education and buisness
74
10/12/2020 11:54:47 8 5
bbc
A world class education but can't spell 'business' eh ! what could possibly go wrong with the Brexit delusion !
65
10/12/2020 11:33:03 16 2
bbc
Apparently the UK does as it has been making enemies with the EU for the last four years.

Brexiteers like Farage believed Donald Trump was going to come riding in on his unicorn and sweep them off their feet.
75
10/12/2020 11:55:06 0 9
bbc
Nonsense. The UK bent over backwards to try to maintain a good relationship with the EU, but you can't make somebody be your friend if they don't want to be.

I hope we continue the friendly overtures, though - not because we are desperate for friends, but because tariffs make everybody poorer. I look forward to paying less for my US-imported oranges and ketchup next year.
258
10/12/2020 19:08:17 1 0
bbc
We can see the UK is not desperate for friends on a daily basis. Do you actually believe what you’ve written? The U.K. went into negotiations with red lines, this doesn’t mean negotiating.
69
10/12/2020 11:45:21 3 6
bbc
The US make it up as it goes along like any country with a trade dispute, they ignore the WTO with impunity when it suits just like EU, this is a non story but good remainer fodder, the US see us as a bridge to the EU, that is all changing, its dog eat dog now, hold on to your seats we though are uniqely placed to take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit with world class education and buisness
76
10/12/2020 11:55:30 0 0
bbc
Really that’s what you get from the article? Just shows both the US and EU don’t even count is in there deliberations any more....
5
10/12/2020 10:11:19 133 20
bbc
The fact that the UK's trade "experts" don't seem to have realised this doesn't really fill you with confidence that they're ideally placed to strike a deal with the EU, somehow.

Sigh.
77
10/12/2020 11:58:25 77 13
bbc
Bu But we hold all the cards for trade post brexit....

sigh.
101
10/12/2020 12:33:55 6 0
bbc
Yeah, P45's
62
10/12/2020 11:29:37 1 6
bbc
Why not ask them if they want to move to the Congo or to any other real "third world backward colony"?

You think that there aren't food banks in Germany, aren't people struggling to get by in France or Canada?

This juvenile hatred of the UK and associated petulant outpourings make any others positions you make laughable.
78
10/12/2020 11:59:32 4 1
bbc
More Brexit spin. You're confusing hatred of Tories, UKIP & Brexit supporters for hatred of the UK. Nothing can be further from the truth & our concern is that this corrupt, Tory wet dream will ruin us. The fact that Brexit is a disaster for the UK seems lost on you so can you name one benefit? When you answer 'control of our own laws', you should provide an example.
87
10/12/2020 12:07:47 1 4
bbc
The OP stated "or admit we're just a third-world backward colony" - I assume you agree with them?

They didn't state that the Tories were, or Brexit was, or UKIP was - they stated that "we're" - i.e. the UK is a third-world backward colony.
184
10/12/2020 14:58:54 0 0
bbc
watching southern and eastern European economies fry
23
10/12/2020 10:45:42 6 61
bbc
If you hate Britain so much (as you clearly do) then migrate.

You've had 4 years to do so.

Let people who want to be here live here.

Bye x
79
10/12/2020 12:00:44 33 1
bbc
So, scrutinising the UK or calling out stupid decisions must mean you hate the country? Grow up, it's the kind of language an abusive partner would use. If you can't handle a bit of scrutiny or condemnation then you must not be a very strong willed individual
28
10/12/2020 10:21:26 2 6
bbc
I just find this news article very odd. Why on earth would the UK want to even consider imposing tariffs in relation to aircraft subsidies? When we’re outside EU, it is no longer our fight, so it no longer has anything to do with us unless the US decides to include the UK in the fight still.
80
10/12/2020 12:01:06 2 0
bbc
You do realise we make the wings and some of the engines for airbus?Some education can be most useful at times also thinking at more than a gossamer level is also good.
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10/12/2020 11:13:41 13 40
bbc
It really doesn't.
81
10/12/2020 12:02:31 3 1
bbc
Why doesn't it?
162
10/12/2020 14:20:30 2 3
bbc
It's purely a technical issue revolving around our departure. Doesn't bode anything for our future as the fifth largest economy in the world.
82
10/12/2020 12:03:08 16 4
bbc
UK finding its lowly position now
86
10/12/2020 12:07:36 5 14
bbc
Better than having FoM. Such a racist policy to allow mainly Caucasians to move to UK as opposed to the best from the world, irrespective of colour.
23
10/12/2020 10:45:42 6 61
bbc
If you hate Britain so much (as you clearly do) then migrate.

You've had 4 years to do so.

Let people who want to be here live here.

Bye x
83
10/12/2020 12:04:38 32 1
bbc
How dare you just because you disagee with what I believe does not give you the right to throw away the 16 years I spent in Her Majesties Armed Forces around the world risking my life on many occasions.
Vile comments like yours have been heard in Europe and Cambodia which have lead to the murder of millions.
Democracy is about standing up for the rights of others when they show tollerence.
220
10/12/2020 16:44:27 0 0
bbc
I totally agree. Bigots should be seen and .....
84
10/12/2020 12:06:23 7 3
bbc
Then what authority has US to impose tariffs on UK?
108
10/12/2020 12:42:49 11 0
bbc
It doesn't, the tariffs are applied on Airbus aircraft, we build parts for Airbus, we're simply caught up in the US-EU spat, with no say in it. The EU has tariffs on Boeing, for the same reason but under a separate WTO ruling, given in favour of the EU (and therefore its member states) and not to a third party country like ours. Someone in No 10 has thought, let's make it sound like our decision.
57
10/12/2020 11:16:20 4 42
bbc
No, you really don't want to see Britain prosper, instead you petulantly want to be proven right that Brexit was bad. It's disgusting to watch.
85
10/12/2020 12:06:43 17 0
bbc
Typical insulting comment from a group of people who can only stir up hatred rather than sensible reasoned discusion.
82
10/12/2020 12:03:08 16 4
bbc
UK finding its lowly position now
86
10/12/2020 12:07:36 5 14
bbc
Better than having FoM. Such a racist policy to allow mainly Caucasians to move to UK as opposed to the best from the world, irrespective of colour.
94
10/12/2020 12:21:54 9 0
bbc
The logic of your argument results in freedom in movement of anyone from anywhere - to avoid any prejudice. Is that what you voted for?
105
10/12/2020 12:41:22 8 2
bbc
Most immigration to UK is non EU and has been for a while, nothing to do with EU, but government policy that decides who can & cannot live in UK.

U.K has now taken its place in the world at the feet of the USA.
246
10/12/2020 18:45:22 3 0
bbc
Do you honestly believe this?
78
10/12/2020 11:59:32 4 1
bbc
More Brexit spin. You're confusing hatred of Tories, UKIP & Brexit supporters for hatred of the UK. Nothing can be further from the truth & our concern is that this corrupt, Tory wet dream will ruin us. The fact that Brexit is a disaster for the UK seems lost on you so can you name one benefit? When you answer 'control of our own laws', you should provide an example.
87
10/12/2020 12:07:47 1 4
bbc
The OP stated "or admit we're just a third-world backward colony" - I assume you agree with them?

They didn't state that the Tories were, or Brexit was, or UKIP was - they stated that "we're" - i.e. the UK is a third-world backward colony.
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Jon
10/12/2020 11:22:41 6 4
bbc
Well, I'm sure the EU will sort that mess out within their usual 10 year span of sorting anything.
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10/12/2020 12:09:20 12 2
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While we in the UK excel in sorting everything within days, including chronic NHS under funding and lack of staff, every single infrastructure project costing double the original price and delayed, prompt and timely implementation of Brexit (sic) ....come on mate, I can go forever...
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10/12/2020 14:29:09 1 3
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You think other countries don't have infrastructure projects going over budget?

You think the NHS budget hasn't increased in real terms every year?

Why is it you hate the UK so much - is it only due to losing a vote in 2016?

Brexit was delayed due to the efforts of the elite remoaners trying to overturn democracy, thankfully they failed.
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10/12/2020 11:46:29 6 1
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I don't know about France, Germany or Congo but not sure how acceptance of the existence of food-banks in the 5th largest economy and NATO member (btw, irrelevant and uncorrelated facts) is interpreted as the love of the UK while concerns about the social inequality and sticking up for ourselves in relation to other nations are "juvenile hatred" ??
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10/12/2020 12:09:54 1 3
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You said the UK was a "third-world backward colony" - I was showing you that by your definition every country in the world is a "third world backward colony" and thereby suggesting your statement was nothing but juvenile butt-hurt petulance at losing a vote four years ago.
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10/12/2020 12:14:29 3 1
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No, I said if we're not prepared to defend our dignity and interests against the big bully US in this case or whoever else that is - we should admit that we're not a sovereign country = a colony.
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10/12/2020 12:11:47 1 5
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Well we just said we would stop. Odds are having to continue until the end of the year was more sleaze in the withdrawal agrement covering the transition. Wich has been a year of being in the eu inall but name. Thankfully ending any day now.

The government must do more though. End the eu stupid censorship of search engines. No more hiding guilt, & possibly that wretched cookies permision pop up.
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10/12/2020 12:33:21 0 0
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You're happy that Google & Co can track your every move, and target you with adverts and propaganda, and sell on your data to third parties without you having any say ?
89
10/12/2020 12:09:54 1 3
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You said the UK was a "third-world backward colony" - I was showing you that by your definition every country in the world is a "third world backward colony" and thereby suggesting your statement was nothing but juvenile butt-hurt petulance at losing a vote four years ago.
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10/12/2020 12:14:29 3 1
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No, I said if we're not prepared to defend our dignity and interests against the big bully US in this case or whoever else that is - we should admit that we're not a sovereign country = a colony.
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10/12/2020 14:26:35 1 2
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No, you really did say "or admit we're just a third-world backward colony" - it's right up above, where you just posted.

The US is no bully in this instance, the WTO has ruled in it's favour. I know you guys only like it when it's the ECJ ruling, but in this case it's one level higher.

We are and will be nothing like a colony of the US, like we recently were with the EU.
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10/12/2020 12:16:39 2 0
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So the US are saying that they have a right to impose "counter measures" on the UK at the same time as saying the UK can't impose measures?

Also, if the justification of the counter measures are to "force Europe" to drop its subsidy, then the US is saying that the UK is still regarded as part of the EU (for pressure) and at the same time not part (so they can't respond)
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Aj
10/12/2020 12:29:18 6 0
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What they are saying is - in this instance - we are irrelevant. The business is an EU consortia therefore we cannot unilatterally may or withdraw measures.
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10/12/2020 13:32:37 1 0
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WTO ruled who has the right to impose punitive tariffs. WTO ruled that US could impose tariffs on the states that were subsidizing their aerospace industry and the EU could impose tariffs against the US for the same.

WTO didnt expect Brexit when they worded the ruling. We're not part of the EU come January. So until a new ruling comes out, they can screw us, we cant screw them back.
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10/12/2020 12:21:26 20 0
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Not enough background on this story to understand it fully. The US/EU dispute over ‘subsidies’ to its respective champions (Airbus and Boeing) goes back a decade. Boeing hate the fact that Airbus exists, they want a monopoly effectively where a duopoly in plane making is bad enough. UK is being stupid as more jobs depend on Airbus than Boeing. Both companies are subsidised by their governments.
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10/12/2020 17:11:25 3 0
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ILLEGALLY subsidised according to the WTO.
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10/12/2020 12:07:36 5 14
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Better than having FoM. Such a racist policy to allow mainly Caucasians to move to UK as opposed to the best from the world, irrespective of colour.
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10/12/2020 12:21:54 9 0
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The logic of your argument results in freedom in movement of anyone from anywhere - to avoid any prejudice. Is that what you voted for?
92
10/12/2020 12:16:39 2 0
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So the US are saying that they have a right to impose "counter measures" on the UK at the same time as saying the UK can't impose measures?

Also, if the justification of the counter measures are to "force Europe" to drop its subsidy, then the US is saying that the UK is still regarded as part of the EU (for pressure) and at the same time not part (so they can't respond)
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Aj
10/12/2020 12:29:18 6 0
bbc
What they are saying is - in this instance - we are irrelevant. The business is an EU consortia therefore we cannot unilatterally may or withdraw measures.
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10/12/2020 12:29:47 12 1
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What a sad story, sovereign UK is hit from left and right, and Bozo don't understand a bit what's going on. We will loose most of car industry's 800000 jobs, aviation industry is waiting same future, high streets are soon empty and he is waiting "a new dawn" for UK?
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10/12/2020 12:33:00 12 0
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In other words, "go away and let the adults speak."
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10/12/2020 12:33:13 4 0
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Assuming that the statement made by the US is correct, why did the UK not part in the action against the US as opposed to only taking part as a member of the EU?.

Sounds like the normal UK approach of sucking to the US.

Would be interesting to hear other viewpoints.
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10/12/2020 12:11:47 1 5
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Well we just said we would stop. Odds are having to continue until the end of the year was more sleaze in the withdrawal agrement covering the transition. Wich has been a year of being in the eu inall but name. Thankfully ending any day now.

The government must do more though. End the eu stupid censorship of search engines. No more hiding guilt, & possibly that wretched cookies permision pop up.
99
10/12/2020 12:33:21 0 0
bbc
You're happy that Google & Co can track your every move, and target you with adverts and propaganda, and sell on your data to third parties without you having any say ?
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10/12/2020 10:11:19 133 20
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The fact that the UK's trade "experts" don't seem to have realised this doesn't really fill you with confidence that they're ideally placed to strike a deal with the EU, somehow.

Sigh.
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10/12/2020 12:33:27 5 0
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Or anyone else for that matter!