Brexit: PM says deal 'still there to be done' ahead of crunch trip
09/12/2020 | news | politics | 5,396
Boris Johnson says the UK must be able to follow its own rules, as he arrives in Brussels for talks.
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I vote for a once in a generation referendum on joining the EU
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09/12/2020 14:50:55 20 37
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The result will be the same. The margin will be larger in favour of remaining ... out of the EU.
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09/12/2020 15:02:17 4 5
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There has never been such a vote, the closest to that is when we voted to join the eec which was just a free trade agreement. Since then many politicians gradually turned it into full union without public consent. I suspect you did not vote anyway as you are too young to know these facts...
09/12/2020 18:35:51 1 0
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Polls show that more people now support brexit now its happened. Sorry.
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09/12/2020 14:49:51 15 33
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Thats the EU for you!
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09/12/2020 14:52:47 23 10
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There is only one party being unreasonable and it's not the EU. The blame game starts.
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09/12/2020 14:54:24 3 3
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What? Saying something and sticking to it? In that respect, they're pretty much the opposite of our poor excuse for a PM.
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09/12/2020 14:50:03 6 4
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.....it's all part of the game to manage (UK & EU member countries) the domestic audience.
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09/12/2020 14:50:11 279 90
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Yet again these con men try to sell us a persecution complex. The EU isn't trying to punish or subjugate the UK. If you were to ask random EU officials what they want most would say "Get Brexit Done". They're sick of it and us. They were upset in 2016 at the lies told about the EU but they're over it now. If they were to want to punish us for anything, it'd be wasting their time during a pandemic.
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If that is correct, why are they being so obstructive in completing a deal?
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09/12/2020 14:54:22 26 34
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Or are they just being their usual difficult selves! Ask Canada how their deal went. The last thing the EU want is the UK doing very well outside of their club. It would surely make other countries wonder why they belong to such a club.
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09/12/2020 14:57:09 52 11
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The lies told in 2016 were only the final phase of continual lies and distortions dating back 40 years, care of the rabidly anti-EU tabloids and their overseas-based owners.
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09/12/2020 15:32:56 6 18
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how many EU officials have you spoken to, to back up that waffle then?
Maybe "random EU officials" might say that but the people at the top who are running the EU certinly wouldn't.
09/12/2020 17:16:15 0 2
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ROFL - tell me you kept a straight face when you posted that? If so, you deserve an Oscar!
09/12/2020 18:23:22 0 1
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If it was down to a simple majority of EU countries we would have had a deal ages ago. Its the French and the demand of their fishermen to keep fishing in our waters regardless of what we say is the stumbling block, always has been always will be as it would be political suicide for the french Governmemt to do anything else.
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Poor old DUP, by supporting brexit they've paved the way for a united Ireland. Scottish independence seems almost inevitable now too.
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A United Ireland will happen because the older people who hate the idea won’t be around to vote against and the younger generations will embrace it. If the Scots want to go, let them go. You can’t fight it forever.
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09/12/2020 14:54:57 49 20
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As a Scot, one can only hope so. If you read HYS on here they'd have you believe it's a minority of people conned by a radical SNP into the idea, yet in reality the data shows quite clearly that "the will of the Scottish people" is to leave the union and considerably more decisively than the UK left the EU. Notable is that more Scots voted for independence in 2014 than to leave the EU in 2016.
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09/12/2020 14:57:37 30 16
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Love the sensationalism but if I could just point out one small oversight:

60% of NI wanted to be part of the UK before Brexit...

....and 60% want to be part of the NI after Brexit
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09/12/2020 15:01:00 40 5
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The demographics make for scary reading for Scottish unionists. Basically the only demographic not pro-indy are over 60 years old, and three quarters of 18-24 year-olds are pro-indy.

But I mean, none of this would have been a problem if not for Brexit. The SNP lost seats in 2016, and wouldn't be in any position to demand another ref if not for Brexit...
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Why?
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09/12/2020 15:21:19 2 8
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Let’s hope so, then Brexit will be worth it
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09/12/2020 15:27:30 12 2
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Yep, Poor old Dinosaurs...tut tut...you reap what you sow.....
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09/12/2020 15:37:18 4 15
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I like Scotland dramatic and pretty landscapes but independence is a distorted dream that will end in tears and very unlikely to get a nod from EU on joining quickly.
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Good, get rid of them. Scotland and NI are just drains adding nothing back.
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Hope so,,,
09/12/2020 16:05:49 1 5
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You may be right, but largest export markets for both NI and Scotland would be England so not sure this would suggest people haven't been listening over the last 4 years to the experts.
09/12/2020 16:09:25 1 3
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Can we have English independence too? Or is that the wrong sort of Nationalism?
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09/12/2020 16:22:36 2 3
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An independent Scotland couldn't join the EU without a hard border with England. Or will that somehow be different to the Irish border?
09/12/2020 16:26:02 1 5
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Brill. I can't wait for both lots to leave. I'd let Wales go too but they are just too small to have any hope of coping alone. Scotland, with 4m people is going to have as much clout in the EU as.....Croatia. (Also 4m.)
09/12/2020 16:32:04 6 1
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I entirely agree. Brexit will mean that NI and the Republic will become increasingly integrated leading to reunification. That's for the people of the island of Ireland to agree. And who in Scotland want's to be under the control of Westminster, especially with our current dear leader and his special needs minions leading us to disaster.
09/12/2020 16:34:15 0 4
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NI joined to Ireland - UK 9B better off each year... (Will Ireland pick up the cost!?)
Scotland goes independant - UK 5B better off each year... (Austerity!? Europe!?)
09/12/2020 16:35:26 1 7
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Rubbish. The Scots are great sabre rattlers but they aren't stupid. The EU is a flawed institution doomed to fail and they won't want to be dragged down with it.
09/12/2020 16:48:10 1 3
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Totally agree that support for Indy has grown because of Brexit. It should nonetheless be seen as a cautionry example of leaving a union and many of the issues involved in Indy, like currency, share of debt, friction of trade between Scotlands biggest export market (England) are even more accute than leaving the EU - if it happens, it's going to be an absolute omni-shambles spread over a decade
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09/12/2020 14:50:46 233 48
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The long con comes to its conclusion. Our choice, our mess, our fault.
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It wasn't my choice, or my fault.
09/12/2020 16:05:32 0 6
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You are right in many ways it was a collective decision to go down this path. People decided and this is just where we are on the road. You and many other might describe it as a mess but it could well turn out better than expected. Nobody knows.
09/12/2020 18:19:43 0 1
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If some one shoved you into a flooded river you'd not stop fighting to get out would you, so why would you try and stop yourself from making Brexit a success because others put you in that position ?.

Like it or not we'll have left the EU's sphere of control soon and rather than continue whining over it we all need to make the best of this opportunity whether we voted for it or not.
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Brexit is a con! Some voters were manipulated by lies and massive illegal overspending in the crucial regulated period by Boris Johnsonov's Vote Leave and Nigel Farageov's Leave.EU! It isn't our choice, our mess or our fault! It is the fault of lying, deceitful Leave politicians and lying, lawbreaking and deceitful Leave campaigns such as Vote Leave and Leave.EU! There has also been a cover-up!
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I vote for a once in a generation referendum on joining the EU
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09/12/2020 14:50:55 20 37
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The result will be the same. The margin will be larger in favour of remaining ... out of the EU.
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Have you seen the polls? Remain a clear lead. Lots of old folks voting Leave are no longer available, and educated young now able to vote & predominately Remain. Small sample, but 5 out of 6 people I know who voted Leave, now Remain. The other has mental health problems......
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09/12/2020 14:50:59 17 27
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Anyone who has actually raised their eyes above the proxy culture war being fought over Brexit, and looked at the terms demanded by the EU will quickly realise that they aren't so much tilted in their favour as crazily warped!

No EU member state would accept such terms under any circumstances. No Deal would not be as bad as what is being demanded! We must say no!
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Both options are terrible outcomes based on what was promised in 2016
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What is unreasonable about if you want to trade with 400 million that you have to follow the same rules? Only an idiot would agree a deal where the other side can cheat and play by a different set of rules. Whta Brexiters want is impossible and they know it!
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09/12/2020 14:51:04 156 57
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Isn't it about time the clown unveiled his oven ready deal
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09/12/2020 14:53:06 140 29
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It's only oven-ready in so far that his plans are all half baked.
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he did, the guy you looked up to wanted to get into bed with Hezbollah. Oh, you didnt mean Corbyn The Clown?
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09/12/2020 16:45:49 3 5
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I know it is boring but “oven ready” referred to the Withdrawal Agreement.
09/12/2020 16:55:01 1 6
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In the intelligence stakes the PM would lose you completely .
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Does someone have a lollypop to stop the tears..... Boohoo
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Boris Johnsonov is a liar and doesn't have an "oven-ready deal"! Brexit is a deception and a con, and Johnsonov is a liar and no-one can trust anything he says!
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Addressing trade talks with the EU, Boris Johnson has “absolutely no doubt this country is going to prosper mightily”..... and based on what evidence. Anyone want to believe this?
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I think he meant to say "prosper bigly"
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There is that possible trade deal with Outer Mongolia.
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When he says "this country" he means his cronies, mates, family etc.
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09/12/2020 15:28:28 11 33
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and what evidence (apart from your own negative mind) do you have for it being otherwise?
Are you in government, some big think tank or sitting next to Ursula von EU? No - didnt think so
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yes, i agree with Boris, We are a trading Nation, always will be. Leaving the EU is not the end of the world. Its could just be a better move. We where happy before we joined the EU.
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I hope we don't prosper mightily. I hope that we become a less desirable destination than other places in Europe and that people will leave the UK and go elsewhere to alleviate or horrible overpopulation problem. So no, I don't want to believe it but not for the reason you'd like.
09/12/2020 16:28:14 1 1
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If he truly believes this then he needs very strong medication. The man is ill.
09/12/2020 16:32:41 0 5
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I don't care whether we prosper or not. I'd rather be a poorer Englishman than a richer European. Our country, our borders, our rules. Simple.
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I do
09/12/2020 17:12:33 1 1
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It’s another “world beating” empty slogan.
09/12/2020 17:21:14 0 2
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Yes....I believe with complete conviction that the UK will prosper more rapidly outwith the EU.

Our biggest threat will no longer be from the EU but from the negativity of remainers still crying over split milk...I fear these people would rather destroy this great opportunity rather than get their back behind it and make a success of I.

It's happened and you can't change that so best embrace it.
09/12/2020 17:21:45 1 1
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Well probably based on the evidence that there are a lot more countries outside the EU than in it, and a vast number of those are doing very nicely thank you... certainly countries like China, Brazil and India are growing , mainly by making demands on people for trade (not even trade deals, just trade) such as you MUST set up manufacturing in their country to sell there
09/12/2020 17:32:05 1 1
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sounds like something Trump would say
09/12/2020 17:33:55 1 1
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Based upon the same logic as Trump and Make America Great
09/12/2020 17:52:23 1 1
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Boris Johnsonov lies most of the time but far too many people seem to be taken in by him! Wake up people! Boris Johnsonov is a serial liar and should not be trusted!
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Not sure why the UK could not prosper.
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Has he ever lied to us or misled us? Oh, right...
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Yes I believe it. I guess you have to believe in your country and work hard. You can't live on benefits forever.
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"Anyone want to believe this?"

believers only ? hooray !
09/12/2020 19:05:40 0 0
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there a lot of remainers claiming the opposite without any evidence because nobody can say There opportunities but how the country will rise to them is maybe where BJ gets his confidence from
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If Johnson tries to pass off no deal as an Australia deal, then he has failed and should resign in disgrace immediately. He should go for far more, but the chaos in January will be the end of the U.K.
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You're forgetting, the main point of an Eton education is to be immune to feeling any disgrace.
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No it won't.

Boris may be a "pound shop Churchill"...the biggest problem we face is the number of "pound shop Quislings" amongst us!
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This 'Australia style deal' nonsense implies that there is a deal. I look forward to seeing tories explain themselves come Jan 21. Hancock half hour season 2 coming soon
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We voted to LEAVE
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do you resign every time someone with a different opinion than you hopes you do?
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Been at the Gin and staring into your Crystal Ball have we??
The EU attempt at Communism is failing - unfortunately we seemed to have bred enough lemmings to accompany them over the cliff.
WE WILL BE FINE!!
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09/12/2020 15:36:03 3 8
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And you know this because........ read it in the Guardion?
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No it won't. We'll be fine, despite your pessimism.
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And that's not figurative. You were all told over and over and over that the union between England and Scotland which is what makes this state the "UK" would probably not survive brexit.
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He probably wouldnt miss being PM. Then the local Conservative associations would select Priti Patel to be the new PM for a minimum of another 4 years and probably for another term after that. Probably not what you'd be aiming for.
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That’s right Jude. Also there isn’t a thing called the Australian deal, It doesn’t exist. He says that to make out we can trade like our antipodean cousins which sounds more tasteful to our brexiter chums. He should call it the Mongolian deal but that wouldn’t go down well with our xenophobic friends would it.
09/12/2020 16:28:34 1 2
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Johnson will be living in the states by the summer and will be topping up his generous pension on the lecture circuit.
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there is no Australian Deal - it is a WTO deal. Worse that Afganistan!
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No, if we end up with a no deal then we will celebrate. Free of the EU and its tentacles we can get on doing deals with countries that actually buy from us, we can support industry in the UK to grow and manufacture here. Lots of threats but all are hollow. The REAL threat is a deal that allows manufacture to move to Slovenia (like JLR) and send back to us for free (like JLR)
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Awww...still a wee bit bitter are we?
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Sorry but the voters wanted a NO DEAL and we should respect that.
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Not a problem for a egotic man like Bonald
Reality is a personal point of view, alternate facts, a bubble world.
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Quelle surprise, the EU and its common market (and standardised labour and environmental laws) are not going to offer free trade with a country that might undermine/undercut those standards, otherwise, border checks.

This is probably the best reason to have voted Remain. It's not a surprise at all. There will be a cost in an agreement, probably similar to the amount we paid into the EU.
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Do you think the EU may be worried that a successful Brexit will signal the end of their little project? No? Maybe you should
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Boris Johnsonov's Tories want to reduce our workers' rights, work safety, environmental protections! These are some of the real reasons that Johnsonov and Farageov want Brexit- to make life worse for the workers and help their friends make more profit from the poor working conditions of others!
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What did Canada get?
Every time the rotund clown opens his mouth he sounds more and more like Trump.

Unfortunately he has the same grip on reality.
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09/12/2020 17:05:22 1 4
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and Trump sounds more and more like rejoiners/remainers with Biden having won the popular vote by 51-49% - wonderful hey? Even down to trying to overturn the result in the courts.
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He's reminding me more of Homer Simpson than anyone else atm.
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You're the clown comparing a noble man to Trump.
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The only Trump like behaviour being exhibited is coming from people that even now cannot accept the referendum result to leave the EU. Trump cannot accept he lost the ballot either so think again who is most Trump-like?
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Is the deal still in the fridge Boris, oven ready or just beyond its use by date in a lorry at the ports waiting for customs clearance?
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were you always the one to stamp your foot when you didnt get what you wanted?
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Oven ready referred to the withdrawal agreement. Do keep up.
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Didn't you say that the last time around?
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This is the con job of the century.

With enough fools to fall for it.
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Trust me we are experiencing a much bigger con job. I won't put what it is because my comment is sure to be removed but use your imagination
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The common market morphing into the EU was undoubtedly the biggest con job and so many people still can't see that.
So good Brexit is for the UK that billionaire main Brexitear Jim Ratcliffe will be building his Bridgend "a vote of confidence in UK expertise" car factory in FRANCE! Of course he's also moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax. That just shows you how disgusting all this is and how they are laughing all the way to collect their billions while people in this country will lose jobs and livelihoods.
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Robert Mercer; Steve Bannon; Sergey Nalobin; Alexander Udod; Alexander Yakovenko; Siman Povarenkin; Lubov Chernukhin; Ilya Karas...

If you don't know who these people are, you don't know why Brexit is happening, and as such don't know what you voted for if you voted for it. Time to do some Googling.
Well done drawing them out.

You can trigger these glib remainers with mere spelling. No wonder their freaking about the coming changes ;)
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Says the loser lol shock horror
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Bonzo is the con job mate - he's a shameful embarrassment of a Prime-less Minister
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Covid 19 is the biggest
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Ahh but the deal for NI was sounding so good there recently. It really works out well for us, don't lift our hopes only to pull the carpet out from under us
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Johnson ??, Gove ?? and the Tories ?? ... putting the CON into CONservative!
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No it really isn't. The biggest con of all is the idea that you can control an aerosolised, seasonal coronavirus with so called Lockdowns. There's tonnes of data available to anyone who dares to look.
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The EU is the greatest con job the world has seen.

We'll survive & prosper out from their clutches.

We should keep whatever of the £39bn we've not handed over too.
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You should read beyond HYS. A lot has happened over the past 100 years to render your comment risible.
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Of course Johnson will be able to retire very comfortably at the end of this, leaving a trail of bankrupt businesses, millions unemployed and families being evicted from their homes.

From Thatcher to Johnson ... things don't change.
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That's quite enough about the EU & its lies...
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No, the con job of the century has to be awarded to the EU. 27 countries have fallen for 30 years at least of shared debt and no way out. We escaped just in time.
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If our standards are higher than the EU's, there is no reason not to agree theirs, as minimum standards. They fact that the Government won't, should tell us something.
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The sticking point isnt standards. The sticking point is the EU wanted to pass laws in our country without our say, and want us to be the only country in the world which has given the control of their fishing waters to another country.
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Urr no ! Now weve left the failed so called eu supper state we can do what we want when we want how we want actually ! we dont need to do nothing they say no more !
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They want the UK to sign a deal that states we must adhere to future rule changes without any input into those rules.

You cannot sign up to that. You tie future governments hands.

And remainers call leavers thick!
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The ERG want to de-regulate and throw most of the UK standards in the bin. They've made no secret of it.
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This is nothing to do with Trade this is EU Economic Imperialism trying to impose a German takeover of western europe including the UK after 2 previous failed attempts in both World Wars.
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Facile and reductive as ever
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Not really, as it stands, we would be obliged to follow whatever the EU decides. You can't realistically believe that is acceptable!
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I wish he'd just keep his fat gob shut and get on and do his job with less BS
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Yet again these con men try to sell us a persecution complex. The EU isn't trying to punish or subjugate the UK. If you were to ask random EU officials what they want most would say "Get Brexit Done". They're sick of it and us. They were upset in 2016 at the lies told about the EU but they're over it now. If they were to want to punish us for anything, it'd be wasting their time during a pandemic.
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If that is correct, why are they being so obstructive in completing a deal?
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because the EU has rules and they are bound by them. Unlike the British government, they can't break international law on a whim.
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They're not being obstructive, they just have more power than the UK does so they are using it to get the best deal they can
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They are not; they told us on day one what their negotiating position was - to protect the single market and preserve the unity of the EU. The govt's negotiating position - in so far as it has been made clear - has been written on the back of multiple fag packets. No matter how skilled the UK negotiating team has been- they had to play a losing hand - aces and eights, I fear. (Ask Bill Hickok)
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Because they are not ever going to allow you to have your cake and eat it, when their cake is sitting on their shelf.
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They are trying to get something which all 27 members will want. I am not sure they have a plan B. Many of the 27 want a deal first and foremost.
09/12/2020 16:10:24 4 3
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They aren't. It's us. Johnson never wanted a deal, he just wanted to be PM. Now that he has fulfilled his life-long ambition anything else (like a pandemic or leaving the EU) is just an inconvenience to his Greatness.
09/12/2020 16:20:50 5 3
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Because they want a good deal for them too and they are not going to accept one that means job losses in their member states whose interests they represent.
09/12/2020 16:53:10 3 3
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Because it wasn't a deal, it was a fantasy dreamt up to con you into voting to leave.
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09/12/2020 16:59:14 3 3
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The EU is simply asking to be allowed to enforce terms of any deal and for those terms to be compatible with EU law as well as UK law. Meanwhile the UK demands to be allowed to do as it pleases with no comeback. Our negotiation stance is a joke.
09/12/2020 17:43:02 1 1
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Who says they're being obstructive? Let me guess, the UK side!

Johnson and his far right cabal are already lining up their excuses for wrecking the UK.
09/12/2020 17:56:00 1 1
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I take it that you believe that the UK is totally blameless for this fiasco and the beastly EU is doing all it can to frustrate the UK's noble efforts
09/12/2020 18:01:52 1 1
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Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, its Boris who is being the obstructive one in this negotiation.
09/12/2020 18:16:17 0 1
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What we want and what the EU want are total opposites. No deal is the only option. The EU has only ever wanted our financial contribution to the inept, corrupt and unaccountable body the EU has become
09/12/2020 18:28:49 0 0
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Boris Johnsonov likely doesn't want a Brexit Deal! Johnsonov likely wants to deliver a No Deal Brexit for his hedge fund friends and Russian oligarch friends!
09/12/2020 19:03:35 0 0
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Can you give an example of this?
09/12/2020 19:04:25 0 0
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You appear to be confused as to whom is obstructing a deal.
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09/12/2020 19:27:52 0 0
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Or why UK is so obstructive. UK wants to leave so leave, why are you doing so much noise about it? (V.Braun from Czechia)
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09/12/2020 14:52:30 41 18
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From his marital life to his stint as a journalist, from his time as Foreign Sec to his position as PM, he’s a proven cheat, coward and liar.

Perhaps we’re seeing a development in him – perhaps he doesn’t just agree to/say things then renege on them later. Maybe this time he’s just not agreeing to something in the first place. This may be the first sign or true progress we’ve seen from our PM!
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...or maybe there's no Dominic Cummings telling him what to say now?
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Poor old DUP, by supporting brexit they've paved the way for a united Ireland. Scottish independence seems almost inevitable now too.
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A United Ireland will happen because the older people who hate the idea won’t be around to vote against and the younger generations will embrace it. If the Scots want to go, let them go. You can’t fight it forever.
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United Ireland looks a certainty. Basically happens on 01/01/21 anyway.
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09/12/2020 15:23:35 7 20
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1.5 million ppl In NI about 6 million people in Scotland if they choose independence it won't be England running out of taxpayers. Plus many jobs in England now held by Scots and Irish will become available to English workers.
09/12/2020 16:12:27 2 5
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as an english man who has lived in the north of ireland for almost 12 years i totally agree with you ireland will one day be united and if the snp dont like whats happening up there they can go .. but im sure there are alot of scotish people that disagree with sturgeon and her cronies .. we shall see
09/12/2020 16:13:54 5 2
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Brexit has driven a coach-and-horses through the UK constitution. It is perfectly understandable that many Scots who supported the Union before the Brexit referendum now feel they were misled. Both about the UK constitutional agreement not to treat any one nation differently and about a "No" to Indyref vote being the only way to ensure continued EU membership.
09/12/2020 16:12:23 1 5
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Conveniently forgetting the election result widened the gap in favour of the leave majority haven't you? Truth us that despite the amount of elderly passing away great many more adult have matured enough to see that Leave is the very best of all worlds to the UK. Sucj it up HH!!
09/12/2020 16:22:07 0 3
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Except the GFA would not allow that without the consent of all parties.
09/12/2020 16:42:17 0 6
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But the Scots don’t want to go .
09/12/2020 16:34:43 0 4
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Young people become old people. Liberal views become conservative pragmatic views. Something that young people don't yet have the experience to know.
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09/12/2020 14:52:42 827 224
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Guy promised a good deal. If he does not deliver he and government should go. Sick of these losers trying to blame everyone else for their inadequate skills
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All the UK wants is a fair and reasonable trading relationship in line with international standards.

That will only fail if the EU persists with ideological dogma, pushing individual countries to choose between their own self interest and that of the EU’s.
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09/12/2020 15:06:37 13 64
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Quite the opposite.he suffering out national interests,should be highly commended.
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09/12/2020 15:07:38 70 24
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At very least if there's a no deal then another general election should be called to choose a government to take us through a no-deal future. Boris' government was elected on a platform of a deal.
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He's getting it. Done very well.. cheer up
So good Brexit is for the UK that billionaire main Brexitear Jim Ratcliffe will be building his Bridgend "a vote of confidence in UK expertise" car factory in FRANCE! Of course he's also moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax. That just shows you how disgusting all this is and how they are laughing all the way to collect their billions while people in this country will lose jobs and livelihoods.
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09/12/2020 15:26:01 1 17
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Sick of the remain faction that actually failed to go and vote for what they wanted!
09/12/2020 15:45:36 0 5
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A good deal with the EU = NO DEAL ??
09/12/2020 15:46:45 0 1
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You disagree that we would be the only Independent Country in the World not in control of its own waters. Losers for not agreeing to EU demands such as the above or if they change a law we have to aline. You call that being a loser.
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09/12/2020 14:52:43 292 89
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Boris & his cronies are all geared up to make yet more money from a no-deal Brexit. No surprise there...
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Yep and you taxpayers ill foot the bill..
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09/12/2020 15:26:52 5 1
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It wouldn't surprise me if this was the gameplan all along - just string it out until they get fed up of you, try and blame Europe. Then deregulate the hell out of standards and make a load of money in the process. Pretty transparent imo.
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09/12/2020 15:31:38 0 5
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Not true. I heard Corbyn and Starmer were about to make millions by setting up an import/export company at the taxpayers expense
09/12/2020 16:24:32 1 1
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I, kind of, agree, but I feel that it has gone beyond that (making money). It is likely to now be about "religious" (deliberately in "" as I do not wish to insult believers) denial that the starting objective was not attainable, nor useful, nor beneficial, nor sustainable,... feel free to add....
09/12/2020 16:51:13 0 1
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....and your evidence for this is ?
09/12/2020 18:25:48 0 0
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How is the fraud going with the Labour Council in Liverpool?
09/12/2020 18:49:58 0 0
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If you are so clever then join them. For the rest of us we will happily take the no deal, see that business making things here are protected by tariffs and grow providing more jobs and a rise in employment. We will see less work sent to EU subsidized countries like Slovenia with the products sent here for free (e.g. jlr and the landrover)
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09/12/2020 14:49:51 15 33
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Thats the EU for you!
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09/12/2020 14:52:47 23 10
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There is only one party being unreasonable and it's not the EU. The blame game starts.
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09/12/2020 15:09:41 3 1
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Would that be the party that bought new proposals to the table a week ago?

Again...have you actually read and understood what they are demanding? If that's acceptable to you then you must have been a relieved of lots of sweets and dinner money when your were a kid!
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09/12/2020 14:48:58 37 30
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I vote for a once in a generation referendum on joining the EU
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09/12/2020 14:57:11 0 3
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Yes, but we had a referendum and chose to join. And then ...
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Let the blaming commence. With Brexiteers - it's always someone else's fault.
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09/12/2020 14:56:55 403 83
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Have you not heard? The fact that they voted Leave in the first place is all the fault of remainers. They are not responsible for anything.
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09/12/2020 14:58:21 29 7
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yep - expect the typical response from right-whingers: boo-hoo, it's not fair etc...
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09/12/2020 14:59:05 12 38
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And with the remainers it will always be the brexiteers' fault.

And round and round we go.

Change the track.
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09/12/2020 15:22:16 4 37
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Same for remoaners
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and what exactly have Remoaners done apart from blame?
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09/12/2020 15:41:16 12 8
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We will all be responsible for making a deal or a no-deal work from 1st January 2021. I for one am ready to do my part.
09/12/2020 16:01:05 3 6
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So you’re saying it’s the brexiteers fault and not yours...isn’t that you saying it’s someone else’s fault?
09/12/2020 16:09:03 3 10
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We had a referendum. We all voted and we all take responsibility for the result. You are forgetting that a deal will come even if it not today
09/12/2020 16:12:17 2 2
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But I've got everying I want so far, why would I blame anyone for that?
09/12/2020 16:32:45 1 4
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Thats rubbish, this is democracy in action, or would you be happy to see trump back in the presidents seat even though he lost?
09/12/2020 16:34:20 1 2
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Its all the remoaners fault...
09/12/2020 16:45:49 3 2
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That's the essence of persuasion. If something is wrong with the country e.g. fiscal constraint, hard working immigrants being employed rather than less hard working Brits then it's someone else's fault. Tell people the lies they want to hear and they'll vote for you - Hitler with Jews, Mugabe with whites. History is full of con merchants. Inevitably, those conned suffer most.
09/12/2020 17:22:43 1 3
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The fact you get the same tired & untrue comments from remainers for every Brexit HYS (at the moment 2/3 times a day) is pathetic.

With remainers they blame everyone but themselves for not getting their own way.

They also forget about the unnecessary and against-the-majorty-view delays they put in which caused uncertainty that harmed the economy.

Of course the u-turning EU hasn't helped either.
09/12/2020 17:24:12 0 1
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That's because it was.
09/12/2020 18:19:09 0 1
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The irony of this comment is high level.
09/12/2020 18:57:45 0 0
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Majority of Brexit voters want a no deal, why do you find this so hard to comprehend ?
09/12/2020 19:16:50 0 0
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ho ho .. .another witty piece from a sad remainer. The real truth is we tried your being in for 40 years, the damage is plain and clear to see. You didnt blame anyone because you were happy to buy foreign garbage and stab your fellow citizens in the back, probably because you dont posess the brains to understand you are also shooting yourself in the foot, lower wages, higher taxes are the result
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09/12/2020 14:51:04 156 57
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Isn't it about time the clown unveiled his oven ready deal
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It's only oven-ready in so far that his plans are all half baked.
09/12/2020 18:21:53 0 0
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he'd need to take the oven ready meal out of the freezer soon as usual on the brit side everybody is making unreasonable demands , how dare 27 nations protect their own interests against the uk who walked away from the eu but then want all the benefits they had before without contributing towards the pot, want to being out of the echr and workplace rules and regulations and food welfare standards
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09/12/2020 14:53:16 26 12
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This is perfectly possible. As I understand it the sticking point is fisheries... our fishermen want sole access to waters and to then be able to land those catches at French ports because they can't sell the fish here in the UK (we don't eat enough fish). EU clearly and correctly don't think that is fair as the French don't have access to our markets. Little England syndrome it's pathetic.
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09/12/2020 14:55:52 6 1
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You are of course wrong. Fisheries is only one of at least three sticking points.
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09/12/2020 15:02:07 2 1
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No - the main point is not having the European Court as the arbiter on any future trade disputes. Why is it unreasonable to wish for a neutral body?
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09/12/2020 15:02:35 2 1
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Sole Access - is that a joke attempt you Haddock. UK doesn't want sole access it wants to say who and who cannot fish in UK territorial waters and those that can fish, what there quota is.
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09/12/2020 14:53:16 180 35
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The oven ready deal is now unacceptable, why was it acceptable last year then? I want the best deal for the UK but how on earth are the EU supposed to trust anything this man says?? He agrees on something then spits it back in your face. I'm not a top negotiator or anything but I'm pretty sure that is not the right way to build bridges.
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09/12/2020 14:57:40 69 139
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The oven ready deal is the Withdrawal agreement. I dont get why people dont understand or have forgotten this.
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You really aren't paying attention. Would you get in the ring when your opponent has arranged the referee?
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09/12/2020 19:15:55 0 0
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Based on the Canada don't you remember +++ but the EU realised that wouldn't squeeze enough and with drew the notion
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09/12/2020 14:53:35 73 14
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A Conservative government has been in charge from the start of all of this mess.

If they can somehow pull of a successful miracle they can claim the credit.

But if BREXIT is a failure in any aspect, it’s the Conservative’s to be accountable for.
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Roll up! Roll up! Polls in 2024!
09/12/2020 17:13:34 1 3
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They weren't just there from the start - thats almost describing them as passive observers. They CREATED this problem by signing us up to the common market. We all know what the common market eventually became. Tories definitely own this whole mess from the 1970's right up to present day - the whole thing.
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for once bunter is to do something he is good at
take a bird out for a meal and get round her
for some reason, god knows what, ladies see something in the lying beached scruffy haired whale
so cave in to any deal and legover as result
sorted ( or some other silly latin tosh)
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09/12/2020 14:54:58 0 2
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Hung like a unicorn?
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I guess he believes we are Facillime decipi
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The above comment will be removed .. but shouldn't be. Poor old von der Leyen .. he looks like death, he and talks crap ..
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09/12/2020 14:50:59 17 27
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Anyone who has actually raised their eyes above the proxy culture war being fought over Brexit, and looked at the terms demanded by the EU will quickly realise that they aren't so much tilted in their favour as crazily warped!

No EU member state would accept such terms under any circumstances. No Deal would not be as bad as what is being demanded! We must say no!
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09/12/2020 14:54:00 6 4
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Both options are terrible outcomes based on what was promised in 2016
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09/12/2020 15:06:57 1 2
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Agreed...but we are where we are. Perhaps if we had managed to present anything like a united front the EU would not feel able to dictate punitive terms.

Where we are now, No Deal represents a hard year ahead. Accepting their deal means decades of humiliation. Sadly, I think rather too many so-called Remainers rather like the idea of that!
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We always knew that the EU would try to undermine our rights, force and pressure us in to giving up our right to make our own decisions, in any walk of life that is wrong and so it will be no deal on this point alone.
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09/12/2020 14:58:45 3 2
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The EU has been very consistent all the way through, you wanted out now you can have it. If people choose to believe some dreamed up nonsense from Boris and his rich chums during the Brexit debates who's fault is that?
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09/12/2020 14:54:13 50 18
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If we want to have a relationship with the EU then WE need to flex, they don’t. It’s almost like all that “oven ready” business was a lie...
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09/12/2020 14:56:53 52 12
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Yes this is called reality, the EU are never going to have a member exit and enjoy the same benefits if the club, if they do what is the point in been in the EU at all?....the people who voted for Brexit were told a pack of lies from start to finish. We are about to see what all these lies will cost in many different ways.
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09/12/2020 14:58:10 0 10
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Nonsense. Both parties have equal rights.
09/12/2020 15:58:25 1 4
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Only flexing the UK needs to do is the flexing which occurs in a Ballistic missile.
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Yet again these con men try to sell us a persecution complex. The EU isn't trying to punish or subjugate the UK. If you were to ask random EU officials what they want most would say "Get Brexit Done". They're sick of it and us. They were upset in 2016 at the lies told about the EU but they're over it now. If they were to want to punish us for anything, it'd be wasting their time during a pandemic.
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09/12/2020 14:54:22 26 34
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Or are they just being their usual difficult selves! Ask Canada how their deal went. The last thing the EU want is the UK doing very well outside of their club. It would surely make other countries wonder why they belong to such a club.
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Thats the EU for you!
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09/12/2020 14:54:24 3 3
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What? Saying something and sticking to it? In that respect, they're pretty much the opposite of our poor excuse for a PM.
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09/12/2020 14:54:34 3 2
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Enoch Powell predicted Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZA1-scNMg
09/12/2020 16:41:29 0 1
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Powell was right on so many things, which is why he is vilified even today by the "liberal" elite & the left.
Time to rekindle our bonds with like thinking nations, as laid out by CANZUK & also to seek new, friendlier trading partners elsewhere.
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09/12/2020 14:54:34 12 10
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“Oven Ready Deal”

If it was so ready, why would Boris Johnson be claiming the EU’s demands were so unreasonable.

Turns out the Government was lying again.

Brexiteers, thank you for the poverty you are raping on this country. #sarcasm
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09/12/2020 14:56:32 3 9
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No - that was for the Withdrawal Agreement. How many more times?
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This is just your opinion.
Do you have any factual evidence to back up your wild accusations?
I will not hold my breath awaiting your response.
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Poor old DUP, by supporting brexit they've paved the way for a united Ireland. Scottish independence seems almost inevitable now too.
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09/12/2020 14:54:57 49 20
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As a Scot, one can only hope so. If you read HYS on here they'd have you believe it's a minority of people conned by a radical SNP into the idea, yet in reality the data shows quite clearly that "the will of the Scottish people" is to leave the union and considerably more decisively than the UK left the EU. Notable is that more Scots voted for independence in 2014 than to leave the EU in 2016.
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09/12/2020 15:10:19 52 49
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How can you vote for independence and then want to join the EU to lose any independence you have gained? Makes no sense.
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09/12/2020 15:32:28 2 12
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Other than the fact that the majority of the electorate voted to be part of the union.. the mind boggles.
09/12/2020 16:23:52 1 2
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Whatever let's just hope that you don't place your trust for a new Scotland in the same scamming, thieving , incompetent , corrupt , politicians that have been around for the past 250 years.
09/12/2020 16:30:29 0 4
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yet you remained in the UK by a considerable margin...
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for once bunter is to do something he is good at
take a bird out for a meal and get round her
for some reason, god knows what, ladies see something in the lying beached scruffy haired whale
so cave in to any deal and legover as result
sorted ( or some other silly latin tosh)
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09/12/2020 14:54:58 0 2
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Hung like a unicorn?
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09/12/2020 14:55:01 6 6
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boris the joker,got all his mates to do the work he is not capable of,then jumps up to take some sort of twisted fame,not what the brexiteers voted for boris you clown
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09/12/2020 14:57:07 1 3
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Ridiculous post.
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In your opinion
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From his marital life to his stint as a journalist, from his time as Foreign Sec to his position as PM, he’s a proven cheat, coward and liar.

Perhaps we’re seeing a development in him – perhaps he doesn’t just agree to/say things then renege on them later. Maybe this time he’s just not agreeing to something in the first place. This may be the first sign or true progress we’ve seen from our PM!
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...or maybe there's no Dominic Cummings telling him what to say now?
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Australia deal = no deal. He knows this and has always known this. he continues to lie to the British people in pursuit of the destruction of our society. Anything he does today will make us poorer and remove our rights and freedoms. The only words he can utter to repair the damage is "I'm sorry; we made a dreadful mistake. Forgive us." Johnson hates the UK and it's people; his actions show this.
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09/12/2020 15:32:13 1 17
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you know absolutely nothing - otherwise people would look up to you
09/12/2020 15:50:02 4 13
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So what! Australia is doing very well economically at the present time. That Trans Pacific Partnership will dwarf the EU.
A major problem with the UK people is that believe that someone affable and slightly eccentric is a nice person. They trust people based on personality.

They also believe that a posh person is clever, and that they have been highly educated.

But Boris Johnson is a lying cnut, and the UK people cannot see it.
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A major problem with the UK people is that believe that someone affable and slightly eccentric is a nice person. They trust people based on personality.

They also believe that a posh person is clever, and that they have been highly educated.

But Boris Johnson is a lying toad, and the UK people cannot see it.
09/12/2020 17:05:45 6 1
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100 percent correct
09/12/2020 17:07:19 4 8
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emigrate then, bon voyage, because the Majority in the UK are happy enough with no deal, then next year we'll be able to negotiate a sensible deal, as I don't see Macron's presidency surviving the next election.
09/12/2020 18:08:51 0 1
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No deal would the best outcome for the UK whether it means your french cheese and german car gets more expensive or not. The fact is that being part of the EU has made is a LOT poorer, jobs exported, cheap labour imported... thats the truth and the only way out is to leave.
09/12/2020 18:10:29 0 1
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BJ born in the States, believes in their systems. Wants to follow in Thatchers footsteps to make his name in history as the man who changed the UK....into what....reliant on the States and dodgy finance deals around the world in a London centric economy
09/12/2020 18:24:54 0 1
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Don't talk rubbish!
09/12/2020 18:37:21 0 0
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I don't think its the Johnson hates the UK or its people its that is ambition to be PM was so big that he was willing to throw anyone and everything under the bus in order to achieve his ambition
09/12/2020 19:54:07 0 0
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Nonsense. Calm down.
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09/12/2020 14:55:17 4 2
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You can sign up to existing rules on the level playing field but not to future changes without input into the decisions.
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Which was part of May's deal that was rejected...!
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Thanks for everything Brexiters - looking forward to paying more for food assuming it can get through the hold ups at the ports and the traffic jams. Thank you so much for making us Little Britain in oh so many ways...
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So says a bitter loser, if when the results of the referendum were know, and the country was United, a deal would have been done, instead all this trying to stop us from leaving Europe has weakened our bargaining.
So my friend it’s people that could not except the result, that are very much to blame.
Thank you so very much.
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You think so that's why we get rid of millions of tones of British milk and British food because it's not EU standard
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Another "Remoaner Expert"
You know nothing - or are you part of the Brexit negotiating team?
09/12/2020 15:47:40 2 8
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Don't mention it you're welcome.
I take it you're not old enough to remember the massive food prices rises that were seen as a result of joining the Common Market ?
09/12/2020 16:49:23 0 1
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....only interested in your stomach , are we ?
09/12/2020 16:57:19 1 1
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Your very welcome.
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09/12/2020 14:55:22 2 4
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Looks like BoJo has forgotten where that 81 seat majority came from, good on you
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Lies, lies and more lies.

These charlatans have no shame.
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09/12/2020 14:55:35 857 102
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Success or failure: Leavers own BREXIT.
Okay........
Very weird person
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Technically, we are all leavers. We have all left
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09/12/2020 15:11:25 103 56
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Well actually, everyone 'owns' it regardless.
LOL ROFL LOL

Project Surrender

LOl ROFL LOL
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09/12/2020 15:20:31 119 71
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We all do, it is called democracy
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09/12/2020 15:24:57 77 45
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In the 2017-2019 Parliament,Labour courted its extra votes by its stance of "respecting the ref. result", only to take the stance of trying to bring the government down and impose a Labour Party stance on Brexit, not in keeping with the wider electorate of Labour L voters. It could have supported May's agreement, if it now views that as preferable to the current situation, it shares responsibility
At least we don't own the tired old cliches. Thank goodness.
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09/12/2020 15:27:13 80 139
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Shame remainers didn't have that attitude 4 years ago
We might have been all done and dusted by now
09/12/2020 15:48:50 18 35
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If he agrees to their demands then it is failure. Given their unreasonability then No Deal is success. Yes I for one would own it.
09/12/2020 15:51:09 19 50
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Remainer Refuseniks could have worker for their version of Brexit if they had only accepted the result. They didn't and now cannot blame others for their own mistakes.
09/12/2020 15:56:29 15 39
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Wrong we all own Brexit as a nation. That is how a democracy and the economy works for the vast majority of us.

Unless there is some special deal on the table for those who voted remain of course - otherwise all you will have is a claim to say I told you so in respect of the result of a secret ballot.
Bob
09/12/2020 15:59:37 11 1
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Who decides if it is a success or failure?
09/12/2020 16:02:22 8 25
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We all own it. Stop being so divisive.
09/12/2020 16:04:41 9 19
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We are all Leavers as all of the UK has left. Europe doesn't make any distinction among us.
09/12/2020 16:08:38 5 5
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That's fine with me
09/12/2020 16:17:24 30 9
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You won't find them, they are now claiming they voted to remain, or never voted for any of this. They are cowards basically. They sold the country down the river, and now they hide away.
09/12/2020 16:21:12 12 18
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The political and social climate that ALL people of the UK helped to create, leavers/remainers alike, contributed to the vote for Brexit. Everybody "owns" it, as you put it - nobody is blameless here. Your "washing your hands" of the result is unhelpful. If, by some chance, Brexit turns out to be a roaring success (might/might not) presumably you'd be happy for Brexit folk to own that success too?
09/12/2020 16:23:49 5 21
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More than happy to. Does that mean Rejoiners are willing to do as they claimed and emigrate to EUtopia?
09/12/2020 16:32:57 19 6
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Absolutely correct, they told us

1. The deal will be the easiest deal ever
2. Its oven ready
3. We will all have unicorns for Christmas
4. The sun will always shine in the UK post brexit
5. There would be 350 million a week for the NHS

So Brexiteers, its for you to deliver on your promises, we remainers do not own the process you do and you shoudl stop lying to us!
09/12/2020 16:34:20 16 2
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I get it.

It is acceptable for the UK takes action against another country that doesn't fulfill its treaty (with the UK) obligations. For example Russia in Crimea...

... but it is unacceptable anybody else taking any action against the UK when the UK breaks the treaties it has signed.

How dare these foreigners think they can treat the UK like the UK treats others? Cheeky foreigners.
09/12/2020 16:35:10 9 1
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Success or failure, all of us will have to face the consequences of it.
09/12/2020 16:35:16 1 12
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What does that even mean?! :-)
09/12/2020 16:36:39 2 14
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We do. We won freedom for the UK. UK has never really embraced the EU project, we should never have joined.
PL
09/12/2020 16:54:32 0 1
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Good - it is the right thing to do
The UK should be ashamed to have this lying bigot as our PM right now.

Worst thing to happen to the UK for generations, and future generations will suffer horribly at his actions right now.
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09/12/2020 14:59:28 26 58
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Wow that sounds very slanderous to me.
How can you know what is going to happen in the future? Could I have your crystal ball please.
LOL ROFL LOL

Project Surrender

LOl ROFL LOL
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09/12/2020 15:28:32 3 17
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I'm very proud to have Boris as PM as are most people. If we had an election tomorrow, I think you would find that to be true.
09/12/2020 15:56:27 3 8
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Don't blame Boris, Blame the traitor/liar Edward Heath, or Tony Blair, or John Major who lied about the contents of the Maastricht treaty. Or blame David Cameron for his grovelling subservience to the EU commission.
09/12/2020 18:30:42 1 1
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I like him.
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09/12/2020 14:55:40 11 15
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Of course EU demands are unreasonable, they have no intention of letting the UK get a deal, which is why they offer a 'Canada style' deal, then remove it as an option... it has to be seen to be punitive to leave the EU. You only have to listen to their comments over the years to know this.
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09/12/2020 14:58:06 3 2
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Brexiteer persecution complexes are indicative of childhood trauma.
09/12/2020 15:47:37 0 1
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It's not unreasonable to exclude non-members to benefits of membership - otherwise, why be a member?
These realities were dismissed as 'Project Fear', by the liars who promised 'we hold all the cards'... Newsflash: they don't, and have still to actually detail any tangible benefits to Brexit, more than 4 yrs later...
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09/12/2020 14:55:42 4 8
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Most fair-minded people can see that having a neutral arbiter in any future disputes is crucial. If this is not agreed then absolutely no deal.
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09/12/2020 14:51:59 876 246
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This is the con job of the century.

With enough fools to fall for it.
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Got to be Corona Virus surely. Removed
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09/12/2020 14:53:16 26 12
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This is perfectly possible. As I understand it the sticking point is fisheries... our fishermen want sole access to waters and to then be able to land those catches at French ports because they can't sell the fish here in the UK (we don't eat enough fish). EU clearly and correctly don't think that is fair as the French don't have access to our markets. Little England syndrome it's pathetic.
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09/12/2020 14:55:52 6 1
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You are of course wrong. Fisheries is only one of at least three sticking points.
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09/12/2020 14:55:52 36 12
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Brexiteers sold (and we bought) the idea that a UK free from the EU's dead hand would be able to enjoy its Sovereign status, make fantastic trade deals with the world and enrich ourselves by the day. Why is Bojo in Brussels seeking a deal? He should follow his own lazy argument and walk away now. At least it would give UK businesses a few more days to prepare to exploit their new opportunities.
LOL ROFL LOL

Project Surrender

LOl ROFL LOL
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They told us that getting a deal would be easy and it was oven ready. Boris the the bafoon is the world beating problem here.
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09/12/2020 15:08:21 86 259
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No, the oven ready deal has already been completed as promised.
LOL ROFL LOL

Project Surrender

LOl ROFL LOL
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09/12/2020 15:30:00 3 25
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No - your votes for Corbyn probably were
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09/12/2020 15:32:12 9 6
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If you're going to insult somebody, at least spell the insult correctly - it's buffoon, you buffoon!
BAZ
09/12/2020 16:40:27 1 2
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The Withdrawal Agreement was “oven ready” as I recall, not the Trade Agreement.
09/12/2020 16:45:10 1 5
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No they didn't. Remainers say a deal would be easy, Liam Fox said it should be 'the easiest trade deal in history' before saying 'only EU politics would stop it' - try quoting him complete, otherwise we leavers may think you are lying as usual and not just ill-informed.
09/12/2020 16:47:48 0 1
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It takes two to tango
09/12/2020 19:09:09 0 0
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It's time to repair the 1973's mistake: to accept UK in Common market.

De Gaulle was so right to veto that.
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09/12/2020 14:50:20 12 17
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The UK is not in the EU anymore, something the EU don't accept or fully understand
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09/12/2020 15:00:41 2 1
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The UK is not the UK anymore. UK has not been so disunited in many centuries.
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09/12/2020 14:55:56 17 15
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The amount of British people who want brexit to fail, and the country to suffer, is staggering
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09/12/2020 14:58:22 16 3
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The UK WILL suffer; there's no question of that. As soon as May et al decided to leave the customs union, catastrophe was inevitable.
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09/12/2020 15:01:11 1 1
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48%, as of 2016. Probably a lot more now. As for wanting the country to suffer, that's on the Brexiteers. As part of the country who fought to stop this from happening, be assured that opposition to it, and determination to make it fail, has not even begun. You guys wanted this, against our will. Now you are going to take the blame for it going wrong. And we will ensure it does. Enjoy!
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09/12/2020 15:01:53 2 1
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Brexit already has failed. It only a question of by how much.
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09/12/2020 15:02:53 2 0
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It is very odd. 'I voted remain so I hope Brexit fails and the country falls apart'. Very British. Remain voters are almost more British than leave voters.
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Ben
09/12/2020 15:16:11 2 1
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Rubbish. I voted remain, but accepted the result, and trusted the Govt to fulfil their promises and prove that this was the best thing for the country. Their utter incompetence, from a referendum based on lies rather than knowledge through a complete inability to deliver results means that everyone will suffer from the final outcome - and as ever, the brexiteers will blame everyone but themselves.
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09/12/2020 15:18:22 1 1
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I didn't want Brexit to be a failure. It has just been made to be that way by Brexiteers.
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09/12/2020 14:56:04 13 16
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EU demands don't appear to be that reasonable. I doubt any of the other 27 would agree to such demands if they were in our position. Stand firm Boris.
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09/12/2020 15:00:20 1 2
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The other members aren't that stupid
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09/12/2020 15:01:20 0 0
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Just means you don't really understand what's going on.
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09/12/2020 14:53:35 73 14
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A Conservative government has been in charge from the start of all of this mess.

If they can somehow pull of a successful miracle they can claim the credit.

But if BREXIT is a failure in any aspect, it’s the Conservative’s to be accountable for.
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09/12/2020 14:56:04 5 8
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Roll up! Roll up! Polls in 2024!
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09/12/2020 14:56:22 7 19
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Walk away then Boris!

Or be dictated to like Prime Ministers before you! ?????
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09/12/2020 14:56:27 2 0
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what a surprise (sigh)
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09/12/2020 14:56:27 12 24
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Bring on WTO. Good riddance to the protection racketeers of the EU.
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09/12/2020 15:00:06 1 0
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You may be begging for that protection before long.
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09/12/2020 15:05:44 2 0
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Those "Protection Rackets" protected British farmers, fisherman and industry for years. Wait until we're swimming with the sharks on our own.
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09/12/2020 14:54:34 12 10
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“Oven Ready Deal”

If it was so ready, why would Boris Johnson be claiming the EU’s demands were so unreasonable.

Turns out the Government was lying again.

Brexiteers, thank you for the poverty you are raping on this country. #sarcasm
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09/12/2020 14:56:32 3 9
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No - that was for the Withdrawal Agreement. How many more times?
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09/12/2020 15:00:59 0 1
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It does make you wonder at the intelligence of some people.
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09/12/2020 15:03:03 0 1
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But that one was faulty, so it wasn't oven ready, was it?
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09/12/2020 15:23:05 1 1
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Rubbish. Look at all the Johnson excerpts that have appeared since the inappropriately named Cleverley tried to come away with the same reasoning the other morning. It was the Trade Deal he was on about. Nothing else.
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09/12/2020 14:54:13 50 18
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If we want to have a relationship with the EU then WE need to flex, they don’t. It’s almost like all that “oven ready” business was a lie...
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09/12/2020 14:56:53 52 12
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Yes this is called reality, the EU are never going to have a member exit and enjoy the same benefits if the club, if they do what is the point in been in the EU at all?....the people who voted for Brexit were told a pack of lies from start to finish. We are about to see what all these lies will cost in many different ways.
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09/12/2020 14:52:58 548 148
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Let the blaming commence. With Brexiteers - it's always someone else's fault.
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09/12/2020 14:56:55 403 83
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Have you not heard? The fact that they voted Leave in the first place is all the fault of remainers. They are not responsible for anything.
09/12/2020 16:42:54 1 2
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No I haven't heard that, except from rejoiners, but then who believes anything they say? As for blaming anyone, why? We leave no deal that's fine by me, all the rejoiners told me, when they were remainers, that's what would happen if voting leave. Mind you they also told me Nissan would close Sunderland and there would be an immediate recession on voting leave.
09/12/2020 17:30:49 1 3
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blank in the head by the sound of you. The real fault of the leave lies in the behaviour of our civil service for 40 years of applying EU directives so stupidly here compared to europe. Compounded by euro lovers adopting anything and everything the eu suggested. Now it is time to regrow a backbone, knuckle down to working and rebuild the country that saved the world at least twice.
09/12/2020 17:35:10 0 2
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Remoaners thought that apathy would win the day. Sad but true!
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09/12/2020 14:55:01 6 6
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boris the joker,got all his mates to do the work he is not capable of,then jumps up to take some sort of twisted fame,not what the brexiteers voted for boris you clown
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09/12/2020 14:57:07 1 3
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Ridiculous post.
09/12/2020 17:38:11 0 0
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True though. It's well known that Boris is a work shy chancer and glory hunter.
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09/12/2020 14:52:00 709 216
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If our standards are higher than the EU's, there is no reason not to agree theirs, as minimum standards. They fact that the Government won't, should tell us something.
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09/12/2020 14:57:09 546 497
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The sticking point isnt standards. The sticking point is the EU wanted to pass laws in our country without our say, and want us to be the only country in the world which has given the control of their fishing waters to another country.
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09/12/2020 15:03:23 121 36
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No, the sticking point is us not being willing to follow rules. If we want to export to, or access ANY market, we have to follow it's rules. that's how trade works.
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09/12/2020 15:04:27 55 24
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None of that is true.
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09/12/2020 15:11:29 93 19
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The EU are not passing laws in our country that assertion is nonsense. What there saying is that if you reduce employment rights and environmental standards in order to undercut the EU on trade. Then you will no longer have the same beneficial trading rights
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09/12/2020 15:17:46 23 12
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Why would the EU want to trade with a country that deregulates in order to make itself competitive to the detriment of EU citizens and our shared environment. They know the Tories are scumbags and aren't going to signup to something that is in noone but a few rich business owners interests (and politicians).
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09/12/2020 15:19:02 20 9
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If you believe that you will believe anything - but then you probably voted for Brexit.
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09/12/2020 15:19:34 10 24
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And the EU’s threat, that if they don’t get access to our fishing waters, we won’t get access to sell our fish in there markets.

It’s a stitch up by the EU.
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09/12/2020 15:20:22 7 12
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Intelligence is a virtue and you have it. How any Briton would align to EU on this amuses me.

UK to agree to follow EU laws in the future. In fact, it is an insult and I would have left the negotiation just for that insult.
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09/12/2020 15:23:03 15 5
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"Following rules in regards to standards is one thing, but having to follow standards in regards to subsidies, employment law etc is a different kettle of fish."

Unimaginable abilities to totally miss the point are being passed every moment of every clapped out Brexiter day

We adhere to the standards in return for preferential trading rights.

We no longer control those standards - THANKS TO YOU
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09/12/2020 15:21:35 16 3
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If you did you homework you'll find that we have. Many British skippers have sold their quotas ( over 50% of UK quota has been sold) to their European colleagues.. meaning that they surrendered/ sold their right to fish in UK waters .. now they want that right back, without paying back the money https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558
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09/12/2020 15:29:23 4 4
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And you have no idea how the Eu actually worked, bar reading heavily distorted tosh in a right wing newpaper/magazine.
665
09/12/2020 15:29:31 0 2
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What law was this that was going to turn your world upside down?
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09/12/2020 15:37:31 0 5
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Since fishing is a tiny proportion of our GDP it real doesn't matter who fishes where.
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09/12/2020 15:41:06 4 3
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Oh, but that can't happen because they need us more than we need them... right?

Get real. We left of our own accord. They owe us nothing. They can set any terms they like. We are not obliged to accept those terms, of course - we can always just walk away (and bear the consequences).
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09/12/2020 15:42:47 0 2
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Not another one obsessed with fish!!!
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09/12/2020 15:43:21 2 3
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Nope. We helped write most of their laws - as a member. Now we want to leave, but in many respects stay members. EU says, OK, but if you want that you have to abide by the rules you helped write. If you won't, off you trot. Leave said they'd cave. They haven't. Remainers warned they wouldn't. So here we are...
09/12/2020 15:45:47 0 4
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Ah, so finally you are honest about what Brexit means. It means this poo show. Well done.
09/12/2020 15:46:38 0 3
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Daily Mail nonsense. Read something else
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09/12/2020 14:52:13 102 212
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If that is correct, why are they being so obstructive in completing a deal?
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09/12/2020 14:57:09 61 15
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because the EU has rules and they are bound by them. Unlike the British government, they can't break international law on a whim.
09/12/2020 16:25:33 2 2
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lol. They do. Frequently.
09/12/2020 16:23:36 3 4
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The EU has not only broken international law on multiple occasions but has had its own tame court rule that EU policy takes precedence over international law.

Funny how you ignored that...
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09/12/2020 14:50:11 279 90
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Yet again these con men try to sell us a persecution complex. The EU isn't trying to punish or subjugate the UK. If you were to ask random EU officials what they want most would say "Get Brexit Done". They're sick of it and us. They were upset in 2016 at the lies told about the EU but they're over it now. If they were to want to punish us for anything, it'd be wasting their time during a pandemic.
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09/12/2020 14:57:09 52 11
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The lies told in 2016 were only the final phase of continual lies and distortions dating back 40 years, care of the rabidly anti-EU tabloids and their overseas-based owners.
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09/12/2020 15:08:51 9 48
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Nonsense.
are you related to the jimmy krankie of the snp..you want to keep going until you get the answer you want..we had a referendum and choose to leave.. Removed
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qpw
09/12/2020 14:57:11 0 3
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Yes, but we had a referendum and chose to join. And then ...
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W1A
09/12/2020 15:03:07 4 1
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No we didn`t...
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09/12/2020 14:52:30 392 53
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A United Ireland will happen because the older people who hate the idea won’t be around to vote against and the younger generations will embrace it. If the Scots want to go, let them go. You can’t fight it forever.
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09/12/2020 14:57:16 48 3
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United Ireland looks a certainty. Basically happens on 01/01/21 anyway.
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09/12/2020 14:57:17 16 1
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No deal coming up. Brexiteers hold on to your braces come 1st January!
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09/12/2020 15:00:30 10 0
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I think you will find everyone has to hold onto their braces. Voting to stay in does not give anyone immunity.
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09/12/2020 15:03:50 2 3
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??????
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09/12/2020 14:57:18 5 3
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Hi Ursula! Good trip? Before we start, is Macron insisting that he has a right to fish in UK waters and is that a EU red line? If you confirm that you support him then I say goodbye and you can thank us for all the fish! Have a pleasant journey!
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09/12/2020 14:57:20 6 11
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The EU want all our fishing waters for a trade deal well we are not going to be in the EU so we should no give in they will give us free trade deal any way because they would lose billions with trade with UK
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09/12/2020 15:00:51 2 0
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LOL. None of that is true.
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09/12/2020 15:00:52 1 0
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And we will lose billions of trade with them.!
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09/12/2020 14:57:20 11 9
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If only the scientists could come up with a vaccine for gross stupidity and give it to Boris ASAP.
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09/12/2020 14:59:15 2 0
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And his acolytes.
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09/12/2020 14:59:58 1 0
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and 52% of uk too dont forget
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09/12/2020 14:50:40 584 170
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Poor old DUP, by supporting brexit they've paved the way for a united Ireland. Scottish independence seems almost inevitable now too.
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09/12/2020 14:57:37 30 16
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Love the sensationalism but if I could just point out one small oversight:

60% of NI wanted to be part of the UK before Brexit...

....and 60% want to be part of the NI after Brexit
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09/12/2020 15:29:05 4 1
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Great can you tell me where you got those figures would love to use them.
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09/12/2020 14:53:16 180 35
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The oven ready deal is now unacceptable, why was it acceptable last year then? I want the best deal for the UK but how on earth are the EU supposed to trust anything this man says?? He agrees on something then spits it back in your face. I'm not a top negotiator or anything but I'm pretty sure that is not the right way to build bridges.
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09/12/2020 14:57:40 69 139
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The oven ready deal is the Withdrawal agreement. I dont get why people dont understand or have forgotten this.
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09/12/2020 15:03:35 7 5
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But it was faulty, so not oven ready
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09/12/2020 15:37:50 9 3
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but the UK don't agree with this any more after agreeing , hence the internal bill being proposed to break the original withdrawal deal so oven ready deal is not oven ready .
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09/12/2020 15:40:34 19 3
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"Get Brexit done" "Oven ready deal" it doesn't take a genius to realise the Tories were being intentionally deceptive at the GE on that point. They seem to be laser focused on people that don't care much for details

Clearly they think most of the electorate can't handle more than 3 word slogans
09/12/2020 15:51:29 2 6
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Most too stupid to grasp this simple fact.
09/12/2020 15:52:17 19 4
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No, the election was won on the premise of an oven ready TRADE deal, not the Withdrawl Agreement (which the Govt has been intent on breaking the terms of too, by the way) - trying to spin a revisionist view of recent history doesn't work so well when the all the proof and interview clips are still available!
SJ
09/12/2020 17:00:31 2 1
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No . Trade deal was oven ready too.
09/12/2020 17:57:27 1 1
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HaHa nice one
09/12/2020 19:05:19 0 0
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No it isn't, never was. It is clear in the Tory manifesto that it was the trading deal. It was clear during the TV debates. You are clearly a brexiter as you fall for any lie the Tories tell you.
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09/12/2020 14:58:04 3 2
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So the side holding all the cards doesn’t want to play ball with our demands.

Who’d have thunk it???

No way we could have seen that coming, not with Boris’ oven ready deal..
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09/12/2020 14:55:40 11 15
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Of course EU demands are unreasonable, they have no intention of letting the UK get a deal, which is why they offer a 'Canada style' deal, then remove it as an option... it has to be seen to be punitive to leave the EU. You only have to listen to their comments over the years to know this.
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09/12/2020 14:58:06 3 2
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Brexiteer persecution complexes are indicative of childhood trauma.
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09/12/2020 15:13:36 0 2
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What...and being effectively mugged and enjoying it is a sign of a healthy upbringing.
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09/12/2020 14:54:13 50 18
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If we want to have a relationship with the EU then WE need to flex, they don’t. It’s almost like all that “oven ready” business was a lie...
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09/12/2020 14:58:10 0 10
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Nonsense. Both parties have equal rights.
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09/12/2020 15:16:46 13 1
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"Both parties have equal rights"

Nonsense. Neither party has any rights, they get what they can negotiate. This isn't an employment dispute, it's a negotiation between two parties: one country and a block of 27.
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09/12/2020 14:58:16 4 5
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This space for comments should be renamed Whatever The Subect - Bash Boris
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09/12/2020 14:58:21 3 2
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The British standards were adopted by the EU as they had none of thier own. British standards are adopted around the world, take chartered status like me, I can go anywhere in the world and have my qualification recognised and get a job, so lets not get all picky about standards eh
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xlr
09/12/2020 14:58:21 30 3
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So either there's no deal or a bad deal.

A bit like the option of whether to eat vomit or poo.
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09/12/2020 15:34:58 7 1
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but a bad deal (in comparison to what we've thrown away, by leaving the EU) is still going to be better than no deal
Even this hapless shower in Govt would be hard pressed to come up with something worse than leaving with no deal at all...
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09/12/2020 14:52:58 548 148
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Let the blaming commence. With Brexiteers - it's always someone else's fault.
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09/12/2020 14:58:21 29 7
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yep - expect the typical response from right-whingers: boo-hoo, it's not fair etc...
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09/12/2020 14:55:56 17 15
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The amount of British people who want brexit to fail, and the country to suffer, is staggering
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09/12/2020 14:58:22 16 3
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The UK WILL suffer; there's no question of that. As soon as May et al decided to leave the customs union, catastrophe was inevitable.
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09/12/2020 14:50:59 17 27
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Anyone who has actually raised their eyes above the proxy culture war being fought over Brexit, and looked at the terms demanded by the EU will quickly realise that they aren't so much tilted in their favour as crazily warped!

No EU member state would accept such terms under any circumstances. No Deal would not be as bad as what is being demanded! We must say no!
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09/12/2020 14:58:30 3 2
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What is unreasonable about if you want to trade with 400 million that you have to follow the same rules? Only an idiot would agree a deal where the other side can cheat and play by a different set of rules. Whta Brexiters want is impossible and they know it!
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09/12/2020 15:12:45 1 2
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So, a trade deal in which one side can set the parameters and unilaterally impose fines. A deal in which one side governs the territorial waters of a sovereign state and reserves 80% of its resources to itself.

What makes you think that the EU won't "cheat". They've got quite a lengthy record for elastic interpretation of their own rules!
09/12/2020 16:28:17 0 1
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Tell that to the rest of the world, which trades with the EU but WITHOUT all the damaging strings attached which is what we're expected to swallow.

We would have taken a Canada+ deal but the EU wanted to damage the UK & refused.

EU is all to blame.
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09/12/2020 14:58:33 2 0
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the UK government reminds me of the old joke of the naval ship and the lighthouse

The naval ship is the UK, the lighthouse is the EU
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09/12/2020 14:58:37 2 4
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I suspect some of the EU countries (France) have never wanted a deal. I suspect that the PM has been lured to Brussels so he can be seen to be walking out of talks. What a mess. Politics on both sides not caring about ordinary folks. As the truth comes out over the coming years it will be fascinating to read what has really gone on.
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Leo
09/12/2020 14:58:44 9 3
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The EU will be an independent entity from the UK after Brexit, so if EU laws change which result in having to renegotiate part of any trade deal (which is what Johnson is whinging about) it has the right to do that. Johnson is once again trying to cast the UK as "the blameless victim" in the Brexit saga.
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09/12/2020 14:54:05 7 17
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We always knew that the EU would try to undermine our rights, force and pressure us in to giving up our right to make our own decisions, in any walk of life that is wrong and so it will be no deal on this point alone.
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09/12/2020 14:58:45 3 2
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The EU has been very consistent all the way through, you wanted out now you can have it. If people choose to believe some dreamed up nonsense from Boris and his rich chums during the Brexit debates who's fault is that?
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09/12/2020 15:07:50 0 2
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Since when did "being out" involve becoming a colony?

Have you actually read and understood what they are demanding?
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09/12/2020 14:58:47 8 12
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Remoaners are still at it I see. Nothing better to do that criticise your own country and back the EU. Shame on you all.
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09/12/2020 14:59:51 2 0
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HAHAHAHA. Criticising the Government has nothing to do with criticising a country, whatever that means.
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09/12/2020 15:02:55 1 0
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Maven ...oh please
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09/12/2020 15:03:35 1 0
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I think you'll find the only people being blamed are those numptys that voted for this sht show...
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09/12/2020 14:58:56 4 1
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From the way this has been handled, that is agreeing an 'oven ready' deal then rowing back on it and it now being 'unacceptable', it would be naive to think this man did not just lie to get into power and wanted a no deal all along. As a lot of rich people stand to earn a shed load of cash with no deal, while at the same time the rest of us... Well who cares what happens to us I suppose.
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09/12/2020 14:56:24 1 5
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All those what vote leave and for borris egg on your faces
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09/12/2020 15:01:18 1 0
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In English please....
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09/12/2020 14:51:59 876 246
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This is the con job of the century.

With enough fools to fall for it.
Your the fool ! Removed
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09/12/2020 15:01:26 61 25
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another leaver who can't spell...
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09/12/2020 15:01:40 43 5
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Says someone who used "your" instead of "you're"
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09/12/2020 15:01:43 32 6
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*You're - oh the irony
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09/12/2020 15:00:01 27 6
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*You're the fool
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09/12/2020 15:02:41 28 4
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Oh write in English please! You Are....the fool.
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09/12/2020 14:52:00 709 216
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If our standards are higher than the EU's, there is no reason not to agree theirs, as minimum standards. They fact that the Government won't, should tell us something.
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09/12/2020 14:57:35 27 111
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Urr no ! Now weve left the failed so called eu supper state we can do what we want when we want how we want actually ! we dont need to do nothing they say no more !
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09/12/2020 15:06:04 88 17
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Please may I ask you to write that in English as what you have written is obviously in some other language as it makes no sense at all.

Is a supper state where we all go to eat on Saturday night?

The lack of education shown here is probably going to be blamed on the EU.
Oh well.
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09/12/2020 15:09:19 6 29
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Exactly we could just walk away and suck it up.
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09/12/2020 15:13:28 59 8
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If you're going to live in this country, then learn to speak the language.
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09/12/2020 15:14:09 26 8
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To the detriment of the whole economy and our standard of living. At least we can say we entered the "Poor House" of our own volition and we can have a national holiday to celebrate our own destitution - can't wait !!
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09/12/2020 15:31:48 3 1
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Well yes, if we don’t want to trade with them on free trade terms.
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09/12/2020 15:32:34 2 3
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Do you mean trade with our new near neighbours Japan, Australia and Canada? How about other major economic forces such as Samoa or Fiji?
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09/12/2020 15:36:38 0 2
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Extremely tenuous grasp of the english language and everything else by the sound of it.
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09/12/2020 14:52:42 827 224
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Guy promised a good deal. If he does not deliver he and government should go. Sick of these losers trying to blame everyone else for their inadequate skills
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09/12/2020 14:58:58 497 748
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All the UK wants is a fair and reasonable trading relationship in line with international standards.

That will only fail if the EU persists with ideological dogma, pushing individual countries to choose between their own self interest and that of the EU’s.
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09/12/2020 15:02:00 180 39
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The EU has rules; access to it's markets requires us to follow them. it's really that simple. We want all access and no rules. it won't happen. Brexit is, and has always been, based on a lie born of fantasy.
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09/12/2020 15:02:11 62 20
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Sure sure. Time for a new username.
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09/12/2020 15:04:01 117 20
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You where told all along by the EU what the facts of leaving where all about, now they are happening somehow its not fair? I really don't understand the logic, you obviously believed some fantasy version of what Brexit would be like, well in the real world things go down different.
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09/12/2020 15:06:44 90 13
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Please explain where EU has more ideological dogma than UK? No-one is going to agree to an agreement where the other side can cheat so hence why regulations need to be aligned. We just signed a trade agreement with Japan based on similar principles so obviously our government also sees it this way as well
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09/12/2020 15:09:37 98 29
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The EU doesn't have to give us anything. The British Empire is long gone. You're still thinking in imperial ways.
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09/12/2020 15:13:02 43 11
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The UK know the rules of the club, as we helped set them up. So bozo knows what is and what is not possible. He cannot have his cake and eat it.

So bye-bye farming, fishing and manufacturing that relies on JIT.

As requested by quitlings, sheeple and the liars of the leave camps.
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09/12/2020 15:17:34 45 9
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The EU DOES NOT NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM.

Reality is biting, clowns. The EU is acting in its own interests,it is not obliged to indulge the fatuous fantasies of Tory politicians and columnists who represent the interests of foreign tax dodgers and nobody else.

And the hireling trolls who copy/paste the same rubbish they have been copying/pasting for four years.

This is REALLY HAPPENING
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09/12/2020 15:18:12 38 4
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All the EU wants is to be able to take action if (when?) Boris defaults on this agreement. If he hadn't been so stupid as to draft legislation to renege on the last agreement we had with the EU, they might have trusted him. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. He shouldn't have read Trunp's book on negotiating the next step is to cmplain that it's not fair. Bullies should never prosper.
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09/12/2020 15:22:58 41 4
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If you hadn't noticed we had a fair and reasonable trading relationship all we'll get is what scraps the EU are prepared to throw our way.
4 years on the world has moved on the EU has moved on and now were stuck with nothing but Tory hot air about sovereignty we never lost in the 1st place
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09/12/2020 15:23:49 39 5
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Do keep up: the EU did not force us to leave. Having left of our own accord, they owe us nothing, nichts, nada, rien. Of course they are acting in their own self-interest - why on earth wouldn't they?

But as a Leave voter, of course you understood that this would be the case.
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09/12/2020 15:23:58 18 1
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Did it take Boris, his sycophants and you four and a half years to think up that excuse? Mein Gott! Little wonder when the 'english' Prime Minister is a proven liar, a cheat, a chancer & the monkey to the ERG organ grinder.
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09/12/2020 15:26:38 1 8
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One big problem is we have an elected Head of State, whether you like him or not, negotiating with the head of an organisation, not a state.
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09/12/2020 15:28:47 17 2
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But what the UK want is not fair

Nobody other than members have what UK want
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09/12/2020 15:30:43 11 1
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We had that before and we've now got nothing
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09/12/2020 15:31:11 14 1
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You seriously have not idea, - try reading other sources, the Tory rags are lying to you.
The EU is only wanting whats sensible, you want trade you follow the rules.
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09/12/2020 15:31:51 11 1
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You were told that this was the stance the EU would take, but us sensible ones were met with “they need us more than we need them”.

Personally I hope you suffer from the fallout and from being a gullible, deluded simpleton
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09/12/2020 15:32:27 6 1
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Ideological dogma? The EU?...and as for Johnsons' comment today about the UK following it's own rules! What relationship can thrive on those terms? We have to agree to a set of rules that protects both party's interests. Give and take.
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09/12/2020 15:32:46 7 1
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It was ideological dogma that got us in this sorry mess!!!!!
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09/12/2020 15:38:03 2 1
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And of course, Brexit is not all about ideological dogma or the individual self-interest of the politicians involved....
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09/12/2020 15:40:29 0 1
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Think the EU also want a fair deal (for them), so a deal should be easy, everybody said so.....
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09/12/2020 15:42:02 4 1
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Should have stayed in the EU then.
09/12/2020 15:45:25 5 1
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So the same great trade relationship we had been enjoying for the last 40 years then? Shame we threw that away, woops.
09/12/2020 15:45:54 0 1
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Well the EU choses its interest and the UK will have to chose hers.

Countries don't have no friends, they have common interests.
In the present case the EU and the UK have not have sufficient common interests.

Remember WWII, the 4 main allies carried on as if they were friends but they were not. They had one common interest to defeat Germany. After that they became enemies, 3v1 for 45 years
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09/12/2020 14:55:35 857 102
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Success or failure: Leavers own BREXIT.
Okay........
Very weird person
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Johnson is a liar and a fraud. An inept leader who has lied and lied. Australia deal is no deal. If our standards are going to better then why are we not agreeing?

Don’t swallow this nonsense. The chaos will be entirely Johnson and the cultists fault. For once they can own their mistakes than lie and deflect
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LOL ROFL LOL

Project Surrender

LOl ROFL LOL
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09/12/2020 15:34:12 3 18
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and Remoaners arent cultists? Have you seen HYS literally every day?
09/12/2020 16:00:39 3 3
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Jude you are mixing up your dislike of Boris and/or the Tories for other people's views of a subject which is topical at the moment
09/12/2020 16:29:33 1 4
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"If our standards are going to better then why are we not agreeing?"

Actually it is future regulations that they wish us to sign up to sight unseen that is the sticking point not current regulations. I doubt they would commit to accepting any of our future regs why should we? Kind of blows the wind out of your sails don't it.
09/12/2020 16:49:06 1 0
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It takes two to tango
09/12/2020 16:53:27 1 1
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You seem to be a trifle exercised . Calm down . You only get upset .
09/12/2020 17:18:17 1 1
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Because they are our standards, and they want to dictate them, ergo they can impose worse standards. Are all rejoiners so thick as to be unable to grasp that fact, or do they just ignore facts to preserve their faith?
09/12/2020 17:18:49 2 0
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Agree completely and when, there's a no deal, the right wing press: will just wallow in the role of victim little englander.
09/12/2020 18:54:51 0 0
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Its pretty simple. You agree to the EU telling you what standards you must have and you may as well have stayed. We are NOT going to be left open to having to obey them whatever they decide to tell us we must do. We left, we left for good reasons even if you dont like them. We are NOT about to surrender freedoms for nothing. If you dont like the UK then leave.
09/12/2020 19:14:11 0 0
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We know that!! The Australia comment means no deal durr!
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09/12/2020 14:52:58 548 148
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Let the blaming commence. With Brexiteers - it's always someone else's fault.
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09/12/2020 14:59:05 12 38
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And with the remainers it will always be the brexiteers' fault.

And round and round we go.

Change the track.
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09/12/2020 15:04:11 56 7
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But it is the Brexiters' fault. You voted for it, so it has to be your fault.
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09/12/2020 15:04:12 43 6
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It is your fault. You voted for this, even though you didn't know what it was.
Pip
09/12/2020 17:21:07 0 1
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What complete drivel.......?
09/12/2020 17:25:07 0 2
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Nope. It is only the self interested, Neo-liberal profiteering Tories whio I blame. Not the sheeple who believed their lies.
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JM
09/12/2020 14:59:14 66 11
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No Deal is what Boris Johnson always wanted.

He’ll resign in March 2021 claiming to have “got it done” and sit back and reap the rewards he sold short on the chaos he and his “team” crafted. The after dinner speaking circuit awaits...
09/12/2020 17:25:23 11 2
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I do hope when he's on the after dinner circuit that there are plenty of people to pelt him with eggs.
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PJH
09/12/2020 14:59:14 1 1
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I’ve heard a lot of people say we’re asking for all the benefits of the EU but none of the responsibility. What I don’t understand is what are we asking for that other EU trade partners don’t? People talk a lot about the Canada deal. Why is that not an option or if not that what someone else has? Genuine question
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09/12/2020 15:02:22 1 0
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Canada isn't geographically adjacent to Europe so it's apples and oranges.
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09/12/2020 15:02:26 0 0
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Its like comparing Bunter with Einstein